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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/06/refiners-fire/#comment-675595</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 09:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It seems to me that “traditional” safeguards — such as the unwritten rule that US Attys are not removed during the tenure of an administration — are not enough to prevent this kind of corruption. The principle of DOJ independence from the White House needs to be written into law, or into the Constitution.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe the DOJ needs to report to the legislature instead of to the President. I don’t know, but if there is no law against influence, there will eventually be no wall between DOJ and the White House. Isn’t that pretty obvious once you think about it?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that “traditional” safeguards — such as the unwritten rule that US Attys are not removed during the tenure of an administration — are not enough to prevent this kind of corruption. The principle of DOJ independence from the White House needs to be written into law, or into the Constitution.</p>
<p>Maybe the DOJ needs to report to the legislature instead of to the President. I don’t know, but if there is no law against influence, there will eventually be no wall between DOJ and the White House. Isn’t that pretty obvious once you think about it?</p>
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		<title>By: big brother</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/06/refiners-fire/#comment-675375</link>
		<dc:creator>big brother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 04:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dummies…it is too late for you. We have satellite video of all your movement. We have control of all media. We have control of the food chain and the water supply. We have acesess to your assets, bank accounts. Wean shut off your oxygen. You are free to live with soma (alcohol, sex drugs) and power ball. You must consume. It is our justice system. You have none unless you cooperaste with Big Brother. You have enslaved yourselves with your greed. Yes their will always be rebels., but we have the military power. I repeat your are all so screwed! yes there are still hotspots like Ireland, Scotland and Arabia. But THE NEW WORLD ORDER has your number. Hal will be taking over shortly. Don’t fight us. Give it up. Stick a fork in yourself you are done. ( To Righteuos Brothers tune Gone Gone Gone..yes you have lost that lovin feelin now you are gone, gone, gone echoning into the Sound of Silence..Hello Darkness.. Goodbye pain  I have come to see you once again. So So screwed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dummies…it is too late for you. We have satellite video of all your movement. We have control of all media. We have control of the food chain and the water supply. We have acesess to your assets, bank accounts. Wean shut off your oxygen. You are free to live with soma (alcohol, sex drugs) and power ball. You must consume. It is our justice system. You have none unless you cooperaste with Big Brother. You have enslaved yourselves with your greed. Yes their will always be rebels., but we have the military power. I repeat your are all so screwed! yes there are still hotspots like Ireland, Scotland and Arabia. But THE NEW WORLD ORDER has your number. Hal will be taking over shortly. Don’t fight us. Give it up. Stick a fork in yourself you are done. ( To Righteuos Brothers tune Gone Gone Gone..yes you have lost that lovin feelin now you are gone, gone, gone echoning into the Sound of Silence..Hello Darkness.. Goodbye pain  I have come to see you once again. So So screwed.</p>
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		<title>By: skdadl</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/06/refiners-fire/#comment-674890</link>
		<dc:creator>skdadl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 00:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Amazing. Please revisit.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: GlobalPatriotWorker</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/06/refiners-fire/#comment-674797</link>
		<dc:creator>GlobalPatriotWorker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 23:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Greetings Firepups,&lt;br /&gt;
First time posting…I am enjoying this discussion immensely. I take you all back to the concept of the overall strategy by the neonuts to turn all of the wheels of government in their favor. It has been briefly touched on how important “Black Tuesday” was in the overall plan…to make us afraid, distracted and in need of the government “daddy” figure. Well, as you all know, that veneer is now fading away. I have no desire to turn this discussion into a 9/11 truth thread but all of you, on your own, have touched upon the secret of their madness. The game was executed perfectly until they forgot to secure the internet and cleanse it of non-official story chatter. As you can all see now everything from the PNAC document to the 2000 election to 9/11 to the war on “terra” and on and on has a far simpler explanation than the ones so laboriously dwelled upon. The big boys wanted all of the marbles and they were perfectly willing to lie, cheat, kill and obstruct to have their way. Our country is under siege and there has been a well cloaked coup. There simply is no other explanation for why we all should be fighting tooth and nail now to save it. If patriots were on guard at all levels, regardless of party affiliation, things would not have gotten so dire. We need to act now, act firmly and drive a stake into the hearts of all that subscribe to the mantra of The United States of America as being anything less than free. Impeachment is the tool given us by the founders.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;GPW&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings Firepups,<br />
First time posting…I am enjoying this discussion immensely. I take you all back to the concept of the overall strategy by the neonuts to turn all of the wheels of government in their favor. It has been briefly touched on how important “Black Tuesday” was in the overall plan…to make us afraid, distracted and in need of the government “daddy” figure. Well, as you all know, that veneer is now fading away. I have no desire to turn this discussion into a 9/11 truth thread but all of you, on your own, have touched upon the secret of their madness. The game was executed perfectly until they forgot to secure the internet and cleanse it of non-official story chatter. As you can all see now everything from the PNAC document to the 2000 election to 9/11 to the war on “terra” and on and on has a far simpler explanation than the ones so laboriously dwelled upon. The big boys wanted all of the marbles and they were perfectly willing to lie, cheat, kill and obstruct to have their way. Our country is under siege and there has been a well cloaked coup. There simply is no other explanation for why we all should be fighting tooth and nail now to save it. If patriots were on guard at all levels, regardless of party affiliation, things would not have gotten so dire. We need to act now, act firmly and drive a stake into the hearts of all that subscribe to the mantra of The United States of America as being anything less than free. Impeachment is the tool given us by the founders.</p>
<p>GPW</p>
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		<title>By: The Oracle</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/06/refiners-fire/#comment-674745</link>
		<dc:creator>The Oracle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 23:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I always thought that “the best and the brightest” ended up being our public servants in our federal government.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But, “The average US News &amp; World Report ranking of the law school attended by new career lawyers plunged from 15 to 65.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The entire Bush administration is a virulent Hatch Act violation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve always heard Republicans say that they prefer the private sector over public service because they can make more money in the private sector.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then, I continue reading that “political appointee” Republicans are being appointed to positions in our federal government to “build their resumes.” For advancement in public service? Hardly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thus, the difference between political appointees and career positions, with the Republican political appointees conducting a raid on our democracy for partisan purposes and the career government officials fighting back anyway they can to protect our Constitution and the “rule of law.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, what about Lang, the former U.S. Attorney out in California?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Republican political appointee. And although pushed out, she reportedly got a huge cash settlement for her “work” and was rewarded with a cushie job at a highly partisan Washington law firm.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just as Schlozman will surely be.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is what the hardcore, neo-con, Christianista Republicans mean when they say they are “building their resume” in public service.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And corrupting our democracy and all of our democratic institutions in the process. FEMA, DOJ, FDA, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. With the Republicans doing the dirty deed expecting a huge pay-out once they leave their “public service job” for the private sector.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought that “the best and the brightest” ended up being our public servants in our federal government.</p>
<p>But, “The average US News &amp; World Report ranking of the law school attended by new career lawyers plunged from 15 to 65.”</p>
<p>The entire Bush administration is a virulent Hatch Act violation.</p>
<p>I’ve always heard Republicans say that they prefer the private sector over public service because they can make more money in the private sector.</p>
<p>Then, I continue reading that “political appointee” Republicans are being appointed to positions in our federal government to “build their resumes.” For advancement in public service? Hardly.</p>
<p>Thus, the difference between political appointees and career positions, with the Republican political appointees conducting a raid on our democracy for partisan purposes and the career government officials fighting back anyway they can to protect our Constitution and the “rule of law.”</p>
<p>So, what about Lang, the former U.S. Attorney out in California?</p>
<p>Republican political appointee. And although pushed out, she reportedly got a huge cash settlement for her “work” and was rewarded with a cushie job at a highly partisan Washington law firm.</p>
<p>Just as Schlozman will surely be.</p>
<p>This is what the hardcore, neo-con, Christianista Republicans mean when they say they are “building their resume” in public service.</p>
<p>And corrupting our democracy and all of our democratic institutions in the process. FEMA, DOJ, FDA, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. With the Republicans doing the dirty deed expecting a huge pay-out once they leave their “public service job” for the private sector.</p>
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		<title>By: endgameAK</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/06/refiners-fire/#comment-674540</link>
		<dc:creator>endgameAK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 21:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m currently reading Chris Hedges’  AMERICAN FASCISTS….  It’s frightening to realize how close our beloved America is to being  seized and irredeemably  transformed by these Proto-Fascists…from a Democracy into an authoritarian Orwellian/Rovian state. The endgame of this conspiracy is still to be decided….I’m frightened for my country.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;AMERICAN FASCISTS…Chris Hedges…….  Timely and needed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m currently reading Chris Hedges’  AMERICAN FASCISTS….  It’s frightening to realize how close our beloved America is to being  seized and irredeemably  transformed by these Proto-Fascists…from a Democracy into an authoritarian Orwellian/Rovian state. The endgame of this conspiracy is still to be decided….I’m frightened for my country.</p>
<p>AMERICAN FASCISTS…Chris Hedges…….  Timely and needed.</p>
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		<title>By: nolo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/06/refiners-fire/#comment-674486</link>
		<dc:creator>nolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 21:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-674385&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;jc_fromOR @ 188&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-674234&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;noen @ 78&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-674223&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Lou Costello @ 67&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-674197&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;nolo @ 45&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
whoah?! — my little video&lt;br /&gt;
made the &lt;b&gt;cover&lt;/b&gt; of firedoglake?!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;color me blushingly, bashfully,&lt;br /&gt;
but entirely — &lt;em&gt;honored&lt;/em&gt;. . .&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Better watch it nolo, this makes you an &lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Enemy of the State:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://blueherald.com/2007/05/us-army-thinks-media-is-a-threat-to-the-nation/&quot;&gt;U.S. Army Thinks Media is a Threat to the Nation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With all due respect, I think it was a bit over the top, especially the music. A bit overly dramatic.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just helping you out nolo. So ya don’t get the swelled head syndrome and have trouble walking through doors.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;;)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe *over the top*, but made a point that I, as a new and not very thorough reader  have missed while trying to climb the FDL landslide to try to get to the top.  (OK, I confess, sometimes I parachute to the top &amp; boogie board down.)  The point being that not only were appointments fixed around slavish loyalty, but that structurally, it was set up for even more massive purges to come.  And that AG AGKHHHHAAAARRRRRGGGHHK has clearly been lying again.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Zig freed by Mod&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;thanks, mods &lt;/b&gt;– and thanks for paying&lt;br /&gt;
such close attention, here &lt;b&gt;jc_fromOR&lt;/b&gt;. . .&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i understand, now, that &lt;b&gt;noen&lt;/b&gt; was joking&lt;br /&gt;
about it being “&lt;em&gt;over the top&lt;/em&gt;“. . .&lt;br /&gt;
but christy’s last few posts in this&lt;br /&gt;
thread &lt;b&gt;deserve very close attention&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;to wit — it may be several years into&lt;br /&gt;
the “&lt;em&gt;new&lt;/em&gt;” administration before&lt;br /&gt;
most of these &lt;b&gt;goodling/sampson career&lt;br /&gt;
appointees&lt;/b&gt; are &lt;em&gt;documented-out&lt;/em&gt;, or move&lt;br /&gt;
on to easier (less intellectually rigorous)&lt;br /&gt;
jobs, in the private-sector.  by “&lt;em&gt;documented&lt;br /&gt;
out&lt;/em&gt;“, i mean that sound cause must be established&lt;br /&gt;
in order to remove them from their civil service&lt;br /&gt;
jobs — it is akin to a property right,&lt;br /&gt;
that cannot be taken without notice and&lt;br /&gt;
an opportunity to be heard — in short,&lt;br /&gt;
they have jobs until it is established they&lt;br /&gt;
are &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; meeting &lt;em&gt;bona fide&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/em&gt;requirements of working in the DoJ. . .&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and that’s very scary.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that is &lt;b&gt;also&lt;/b&gt; why christy is right that&lt;br /&gt;
the corporate “&lt;em&gt;at will&lt;/em&gt;” emloyment model&lt;br /&gt;
is a wise one. . .  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;moreover, i am sorry if i contributed&lt;br /&gt;
however inadvertently, to the alcola speculative&lt;br /&gt;
arbitrage opportunities, here. . .&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so, i say, be well — and demand&lt;br /&gt;
answers from our government.  in small&lt;br /&gt;
words, and in short sentences.  “&lt;em&gt;no dancin’,&lt;br /&gt;
while our sons and daughters are dyin’ in&lt;br /&gt;
the sand, half-a-world-away, for these lies&lt;/em&gt;. . .”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;flame, off. . .&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-674385"><em>jc_fromOR @ 188</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-674234"><em>noen @ 78</em></a><br />
<a href="#comment-674223"><em>Lou Costello @ 67</em></a><br />
<a href="#comment-674197"><em>nolo @ 45</em></a><br />
whoah?! — my little video<br />
made the <b>cover</b> of firedoglake?!</p>
<p>color me blushingly, bashfully,<br />
but entirely — <em>honored</em>. . .</p>
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<p>Better watch it nolo, this makes you an <em><b>Enemy of the State:</b></em> <a href="http://blueherald.com/2007/05/us-army-thinks-media-is-a-threat-to-the-nation/">U.S. Army Thinks Media is a Threat to the Nation</a></p>
<p>With all due respect, I think it was a bit over the top, especially the music. A bit overly dramatic.</p>
<p>Just helping you out nolo. So ya don’t get the swelled head syndrome and have trouble walking through doors.</p>
<p>;)</p>
<p>Maybe *over the top*, but made a point that I, as a new and not very thorough reader  have missed while trying to climb the FDL landslide to try to get to the top.  (OK, I confess, sometimes I parachute to the top &amp; boogie board down.)  The point being that not only were appointments fixed around slavish loyalty, but that structurally, it was set up for even more massive purges to come.  And that AG AGKHHHHAAAARRRRRGGGHHK has clearly been lying again.</p>
<p><em>Zig freed by Mod</em></p>
<p><b>thanks, mods </b>– and thanks for paying<br />
such close attention, here <b>jc_fromOR</b>. . .</p>
<p>i understand, now, that <b>noen</b> was joking<br />
about it being “<em>over the top</em>“. . .<br />
but christy’s last few posts in this<br />
thread <b>deserve very close attention</b>.</p>
<p>to wit — it may be several years into<br />
the “<em>new</em>” administration before<br />
most of these <b>goodling/sampson career<br />
appointees</b> are <em>documented-out</em>, or move<br />
on to easier (less intellectually rigorous)<br />
jobs, in the private-sector.  by “<em>documented<br />
out</em>“, i mean that sound cause must be established<br />
in order to remove them from their civil service<br />
jobs — it is akin to a property right,<br />
that cannot be taken without notice and<br />
an opportunity to be heard — in short,<br />
they have jobs until it is established they<br />
are <b>not</b> meeting <em>bona fide<br />
</em>requirements of working in the DoJ. . .</p>
<p>and that’s very scary.</p>
<p>that is <b>also</b> why christy is right that<br />
the corporate “<em>at will</em>” emloyment model<br />
is a wise one. . .  </p>
<p>moreover, i am sorry if i contributed<br />
however inadvertently, to the alcola speculative<br />
arbitrage opportunities, here. . .</p>
<p>so, i say, be well — and demand<br />
answers from our government.  in small<br />
words, and in short sentences.  “<em>no dancin’,<br />
while our sons and daughters are dyin’ in<br />
the sand, half-a-world-away, for these lies</em>. . .”</p>
<p><i>flame, off. . .</i></p>
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		<title>By: pluege</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/06/refiners-fire/#comment-674456</link>
		<dc:creator>pluege</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 20:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;one thing that has become clear from the USA scandal is that rove’s famous “math” from the mid-terms was probably correct in mathematical terms. That rove didn’t count some significant number of registered democrats because he was counting on them being disenfranchised from voting was not evident at the time.&lt;br /&gt;
.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one thing that has become clear from the USA scandal is that rove’s famous “math” from the mid-terms was probably correct in mathematical terms. That rove didn’t count some significant number of registered democrats because he was counting on them being disenfranchised from voting was not evident at the time.<br />
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		<title>By: KarenJG</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/06/refiners-fire/#comment-674452</link>
		<dc:creator>KarenJG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 20:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I mentioned this over at TPMuckraker, too, so if you’re experiencing a deja vu moment, that’s it…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One thing that’s been bothering me about the coverage of this is that I don’t see enough distinction being made between *career* positions and “political” positions. I think a lot of people are figuring that these new hires will be gone when the Bush administration is. No. When an article talks about political litmus tests for “career” positions, they’re talking about people who *stay* after an administration leaves. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know most of the people here understand that, but I don’t think John and Jane Public do, and I wish reporters would go to greater lengths to make sure that the difference is noted.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mentioned this over at TPMuckraker, too, so if you’re experiencing a deja vu moment, that’s it…</p>
<p>One thing that’s been bothering me about the coverage of this is that I don’t see enough distinction being made between *career* positions and “political” positions. I think a lot of people are figuring that these new hires will be gone when the Bush administration is. No. When an article talks about political litmus tests for “career” positions, they’re talking about people who *stay* after an administration leaves. </p>
<p>I know most of the people here understand that, but I don’t think John and Jane Public do, and I wish reporters would go to greater lengths to make sure that the difference is noted.</p>
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		<title>By: neokneme</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/06/refiners-fire/#comment-674437</link>
		<dc:creator>neokneme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 20:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070506/ap_on_re_as/afghan_us_soldiers_killed&quot;&gt;Afghan soldier kills 2 U.S. troops&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;afghan (7)&lt;br /&gt;
prison smith (6)&lt;br /&gt;
soldiers (5)&lt;br /&gt;
american(s) security (4)&lt;br /&gt;
military shot troops (3)&lt;br /&gt;
arrested guantanimo bay house idema jail kabul&lt;br /&gt;
shooter spokesman taliban&lt;br /&gt;
transferred wing working (2)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
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