
(Photo of an iron bar being heated in a forge fire via StormyDog.)
When you start burning away the dross from the USAtty scandal, you are left with a few very obvious bits and pieces that keep popping up: Karl Rove's political shop at the White House, "the math," loyalty litmus tests, and an utter disregard for tradition and the rule of law and an ethical and fiduciary obligation to serve the public as a whole over a need to serve a particular ideology without question. This morning, as I read through a great article that Charlie Savage put together for the Boston Globe (H/T to dakine01 for the link on this), all of this kept popping out at me:
Schlozman is emerging as a focal point of the investigation into the firing of eight US attorneys last year -- and as a symbol of broader complaints that the Bush administration has misused its stewardship of law enforcement to give Republicans an electoral edge.No stranger to election law controversy, Schlozman previously spent three years as a political appointee in the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, where he supervised the voting rights section.
There, he came into conflict with veteran staff over his decisions to approve a Texas redistricting plan and a Georgia photo-ID voting law, both of which benefited Republicans. He also hired many new career lawyers with strong conservative credentials, in what critics say was an attempt to reduce enforcement of laws designed to eliminate obstacles to voting by minorities.
"Schlozman was reshaping the Civil Rights Division," said Joe Rich , who was chief of the voting rights section until taking a buyout in 2005, in an interview. "Schlozman didn't know anything about voting law. . . . All he knew is he wanted to be sure that the Republicans were going to win."...
At the time, the Bush administration was starting to take a greater interest in voting laws because of the photo-finish 2000 election. Control of Congress and the White House was turning on a handful of votes in battleground states -- and thus on issues such as districting maps and turnout rates among party loyalists.
Republicans claimed that ineligible voters were a major problem and pushed for laws to require photo IDs. Democrats said there was no evidence of widespread fraud and that such requirements suppress turnout among legitimate voters who are poor or disabled, and thus less likely to have driver's licenses....
Schlozman and his team soon came into conflict with veteran voting rights specialists. Career staff committees recommended rejecting a Texas redistricting map in 2003 and a Georgia photo ID voting law in 2005, saying they would dilute minority voting power. In both cases, the career veterans were overruled. But courts later said the map and the ID law were illegal.
Bob Kengle , a former deputy voting rights chief who left in 2005, said Schlozman also pushed the section to divert more resources into lawsuits forcing states to purge questionable voters from their rolls. One such lawsuit was against Missouri, where he later became US attorney. A court threw the Missouri lawsuit out this year.
Schlozman also moved to take control of hiring for the voting rights section, taking advantage of a new policy that gave political appointees more control. Under Schlozman, the profile of the career attorneys hired by the section underwent a dramatic transformation.
Half of the 14 career lawyers hired under Schlozman were members of the conservative Federalist Society or the Republican National Lawyers Association, up from none among the eight career hires in the previous two years, according to a review of resumes. The average US News & World Report ranking of the law school attended by new career lawyers plunged from 15 to 65.
During Jim Comey's testimony last week, he was asked about the loyalty-approved hiring practices and how that impacts the DoJ for the short and long term. His answer was both poignant and painful, in that it is impossible to measure either -- and in contemplating the seeding of folks whose loyalty is to a conscripted version of conservative ideology rather than to the rule of law and the Constitution? Well, how exactly do we trust anything that comes out of the DoJ for years now in terms of putting party over country?
I cannot even begin to detail how much that hurt to type.
And the fact that this did not even bother these people, that they pushed ahead with this at the DoJ -- and every other Administrative agency across the board? Beyond painful. It is one thing to put your own policy and ideology priority stamp on executive agencies and policies. That is not only expected, but appropriate, in terms of prioritizing the actions and activities of the agency during the course of a Presidency.
But to do so by flouting the law, by subverting the legal process of modifying regulations and by simply ignoring every standard of behavior other than the ones that happen to suit your purposes? That could only happen in an environment where there was no oversight -- where the Republican rubber stamp Congress allowed George Bush and Karl Rove and Dick Cheney and all their tentacles in the various governmental agencies who were enforcing the laws as a means to hold onto power at any cost were never asked any questions about whether or not it was lawful or ethical for them to do so.
I keep going back in my mind to this (Huge H/T to nolo for putting this together.):
Consider, for a moment, that our Department of Justice is being geared not for finding the truth of where the evidence, the facts and the law lead you in any one case, regardless of the political affiliation or loyalty of any of the people involved -- investigators, prosecutors, potential defendants, witnesses -- but is, instead, being geared toward focusing all of its power toward a political end by whatever means are necessary. And allow that to sink in for a moment.
And then contemplate how much could be done by focusing all of the power of every administrative agency in that same way -- toward a political end rather than a truth and policy end, by whatever means are necessary.
More sunshine please. In every single nook and cranny. Because this cannot ever be allowed to stand unchallenged. Integrity and decency are essential for governmental function, and the folks who work in public service -- who truly do try to do their jobs to lift up the least among us or to empower the powerless or to enforce the laws as they are written by our elected officials and as they have been written for so long in our Constitution and our Bill of Rights -- they deserve so much better than to be herded around by a bunch of people who see their purpose in life as being solely to zealously guard political and economic power for their side, whatever the cost.
We are better than this craven, twisted, hateful, warped ideology. And in exposing it to as much sunshine as possible, we are saving our national soul. Let the sun shine in, and the heat from that exposure burn away whatever dross and cover may be in the way of the truth...as much as is necessary for as long as necessary.
UPDATE: Scott Horton at Harper's picks up on LHP's post on Comey yesterday, and pulls out a quote from Aristotle that hits this whole issue squarely:
As Aristotle writes in the Politics: “It is of the intrinsic character of the tyrant that he works to insure that his subjects everywhere are spied upon so that nothing of their dealings is a secret from him;… and he conspires always to set men against their own friends, the common people against the privileged and the wealthy, and so forth. And he will ruin the treasury to pay the military… levying great fiscal burdens upon his people; and finally, constantly does he foment war, to provide the matrix in which his power expands and every challenge of his misdeeds may be called treason.” “But no virtuous man will find success in such a reign.”
Paul Kiel at The Muck has much more on this. (H/T to reader TheraP for the link on this.)
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zed??? Christy, I think everyone is out in the sun!
zed
Christy!
Hi Christy! Check out this link about Nowacki and his involvement in all this. What do you think?
http://misterapologist.blogspot.com/
Thanks for the h/t Christy, but in honesty, I think blank kludge had linked to it earlier than I did on the same thread.
OT but FYI, there’s youngster that comments in the late afternoon and evening using the name SnarKassandra who would like to communicate with you. She has her own sites including YouThinkLeft A very mature and intelligent young woman. Texas Betsy is her aunt.
“Integrity and decency are essential for governmental function, and the folks who work in public service “
The trouble is, the conservatives are on record for not liking or trusting “government”, it is not in their interest for it to succeed.
btw, gang, Mike Farrell will be our guest for today’s book salon. Hope folks can drop by and say hello to him. Robert Greenwald is hosting and it ought to be a great conversation today! :)
Imagine using the cover of voter fraud to perpetrate voter suppression and election rigging.
Well said, Christy. And I suspect we are only just below the surface of this pervasive iceberg. There is much more to come, and it will be ugly.
hmbnancy @ 8
Which is where we are with KKKarl and his minions of power for the past six years. Dog, I luvs me some oversight!
OT ~ It’s nice to hear someone say this out loud:
He later makes a special point to include Donald Rumsfeld.
Right on, Christy!
Thanks for the reminder about Mike Farrell, Christy.
The U.S. Attorney scandal is the Gorgon’s head; lop off one and more grow back. Schlozman may have moved from one position to another; what pops up in his place?
I’m wondering the same thing about Kenneth Melson today, too; what’s going on in VA?
Or in AK; is the investigation into Veco and the arrests of state legislators merely window dressing while they drag their feet? (Ed*ard Teller, what’s the Tundra Telegraph say?)
Rayne @ 13
Actually I think that’s the Hydra’s head that keeps growing back more after each one is lopped off. :})
contemplate how much could be done by focusing all of the power of every administrative agency in that same way — toward a political end rather than a truth and policy end, by whatever means are necessary.
African Americans and Native Americans have had to deal with this on one level or another for 220 years. Did the Democratic Party and its voter motivation machinery rationally and publicly deal with widespread African American voter suppression in 2000 and 2002. No. Has the scandal involving the theft of well over $100 billion from Native American trust accounts been a purely GOP-led scam? No. Are anti-nuclear weapon activists hounded by government agencies (who have been using illegal surveillance against such activists for decades) no matter WHICH party is in power? Yes.
Still, you’re right. I’m very concerned about what these people have done to ALL Federal agencies since 2001.
Tiger tees off in about twenty minutes for the final round of the Wachovia. Great match goin out there for you golf fans!
This ties into the previous thread nicely. Between the bath the DOJ needs and the SCOTUS appointments, we must win in 2008.
Failure is not an option.
Electability must trump personal preference.
Someone said a few days ago here that an influencial (not the ABA) lawyer group was going to issue a statement on this whole Gonzales, etc., mess this month. It might have been EW, but I can’t recall. I’d like someone to refresh my memo on this. If possible. ;0)
Scarecrow @ 9
i just hope it won’t be covered up…. we really need it all to come out - even if some dems are involved (as ET suggests above).
From my scandals list:
Go Dems!
AP - The House Republican leader said Sunday that GOP support could waver if President Bush’s Iraq war policy does not succeed by the fall. A top Democrat said it would be “ridiculous” to stop insisting on linking new war money and a troop withdrawal.
CHRISTY!!!!
Bob in HI
question– Where does this piece of gooper disgrace belong in the never ending growth of gooper crimes?
Is this number 1 or where?
billjpa
Rayne @ 13
You rang? You and Riesz and klyde added a lot of spice to the preceding Gore post!
Vic Kohring, the GOP state legislator from Wasilla, pled NG at arraigmnment Friday, but has resigned his leadership posts in the GOP-dominated Alaska House. More arrests are likely this coming week. Big oil is loved and hated in Alaska, often by the same people. Oil money is behind this emerging scandal. The big oil-dominated scheme for building and taxing a natural gas pipeline from the North Slope to market is doomed.
As for the Anchorage US Atty office, I’m working with a couple of other people on creating a timeline of personnel changes there since Bush has been in the WH, comparing the changes to actions or non-actions taken by the office.
LA Times editorial declares “It’s time to leave Iraq”. They also said that while they supported the surge- they now discover (shudder) that the surge troops are intervening in a civil war…
The LA Times is SHOCKED to discover gambling going on in GW Clusterfuck’s casino- er government…Shocked I tell you.
Possibly you may want to link to The Muck, where a similar discussion is ongoing at the moment. (I already referenced you in the comments there.)
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003159.php
OT ~ And they wonder why Chimpy didn’t make TIME’s 100 Most Influential list:
Christy, it was my poorly made point in my e mail to you last week - all us non lawyers are horrified, but my heart goes out to those so well versed in the law - it would be like watching someone vandalize the Statue of Liberty
Bush Administration is unsafe at any speed…
1. Unsafe food - from pet food to human food chain
2. Unsafe drugs - medications tainted with antifreeze-like chemicals
3. Unsafe Roads - relaxation of Interstate Transportation regulations
4. No security - Ports unguarded, No screening of airline cargo, unsecured chemical & nuclear power plants.
5. Industry Executives put in charge of regulatory agencies with the sole purpose of giving away the farm
This list could go on for miles.
My question…. who is keeping track and how do we roll it all back?
The goopers are well known for their outstanding moral principles- the first moral principle of gooperdom is “It’s OK if ya don’t get caught.”
If goopers could become invisible- we would see the true nature of gooperism.
Why not look at it this way?
You know the saying: if you’re going to take a shot at the king, you better not miss.
Well Karl and company have taken a shot at the American Justice System. They missed and they will pay.
Am I too optimistic?
TheraP at 25 — thanks much, I’ve linked it in an update above along with a great quote from Harper’s.
Albert
Way too optimistic I’m afraid..
It’s tough to root out hoodlums if they own the fuckin police dept.
The thing that gets me about all of this, is that it appears to be a carefully orchestrated takeover of the legitimate government of the United States. A plot so sinister and convoluted that some of the more egregious acts are still considered unspeakable and taboo. It seems to me that a group of power hungry globalists, put into play in the ’90’s a scheme; using a political party, using religious entities, using computer companies owned and operated by cronies, using blackmail of perhaps a sexual nature, using bribes, black ops, and who knows what else. These entities infiltrated and coordinated a false election result in 2000, which brought them into power. They then either enabled, allowed, or created an incident that brought the country to its knees in a state of fear; thereby, enabling the military-industrial complex to move forward with their documented goals. By using the political factor combined with the religious factor, they infiltrated all of the “nooks and crannies” of our government, so there could be no oversight, no rebuttal, and no real truth coming from the media. All of this, while the average citizen dealt with PTSD as a result of 9/11. Thank goodness that there are so many honest people still left in the DOJ, because I believe the DOJ is the department that has successfully for the past six years, been able to obstruct the truth. I believe we have reached a tipping point, and the fallout and revelations about this whole conspiracy will prove to be the most jaw-dropping and shocking in our history. I would like to see a chart along the lines of Whitehouse’s chart, documenting the connections between this entire enterprise.
Christy - can these Bush loyalist be purged after a Democratic President takes office? I remember reading that they might be able to claim they’re being discriminated against because of their party affiliation - isn’t that a hoot?
I imagine if they’re not qualified, firing them is not an problem - tier four Regent Law school grads might as well pack their bags, because even Pat’s prayers won’t save them.
Thanks, Christy! I’m sharing this with everyone who thinks that the USA firings aren’t that big a deal.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 21
Oooh! Got link?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 6
What time is the book salon?
The Federalist Society are not those the “States Rights ” guys above all else. Unless the State wants to do something like elect a Democrat example Bush vs Gore a legal ruling the Supremes are so proud of that they say it can never be used as precedent for another case. Corporations who polute have more rights than neighboring states have to stop them. Now why are corporations having more rights than States or PEOPLE is a mystery to me. As a strict ha ha! Constructsalist I read nothing in the US Consitituion about Corporations having ANY rights. But hey I went to a state school for a B.A I didn’t ride the small school bus to Regency! Law School! Ranking at the DOJ drops from 15 to 65 and half of these people are FED society or National Republican Lawyers. Hmm? this is the best the Republicans could find to work at the Justice Dept?
RagingGurrl at 34 — The problem is that the level that your law school is ranked really has nothing whatsoever to do with how you use that degree once you are out of law school. I know a number of unscrupulous asshats who went to top tier schools — and all you have to do is look at the man at the helm of the DoJ at the moment to see what I mean about the place and rank of your law school having nothing whatsoever to do with the type of lawyer you are. I also know some excellent lawyers who went to lower level schools. There are, undoubtedly, some decent Regent grads who are thrilled to have a job at the DoJ and who have done nothing whatsoever to merit scorn or derision — but they are now tainted by this mess, and that is unfortunate and unfair. That questions even need to be asked about these kids is one of the most painful parts of all of this. As LHP noted yesterday, decent kids whose resumes will sport DoJ employment in the job listings are now going to be like those pro athletes whose accomplishment histories come with asterisks of suspician of cheating — and where there has been no wrongdoing by any of them, that imputed taint is so horribly unfair. But there you are.
And that is but one very cruel side effectof this mess. And one that we will all be cleaning up for years to come. Infuriated does not begin to describe my feelings on this…
Phoenix Woman @ 36
Boehner acknowledges GOP nervous on Iraq
LS @ 34:
You nailed it!
And only because of things coming undone, so that loose strings could be tugged - starting after the DoJ firings - have we begun to see the full extent of what so many felt in their bones for so long.
As the quote above from Aristotle so rightly suggests, it was impossible to tug at the loose strings of fixed intelligence from the war etc, due to being called “traitors” for questioning things.
But DoJ, this was different! This hit at the heart of a civilized society. This could not be hidden as a “national security” secret. And this is the downfall of the current regime.
Rayne, I answered you in the last thread. :-)
Bush and Rove have one objective — to sow distrust of government so that only a dictator can take charge. A benevolent dictator — with close ties to business.
In the old days, this was called fascism!
whoah?! — my little video
made the cover of firedoglake?!
color me blushingly, bashfully,
but entirely — honored. . .
i’m humbled by the thought of it,
actually — to appear on the same
page as such heady, intelligent,
witty and forceful a company of. . .
whatever y’all are. . . yikes!
seriously — thanks so, so much,
christy! and thanks for your truly
cogent insights, here — it may be
several years before some of these
“loyal-bushie” assistant u.s.
attorneys move on — or out. . .
and in the mean-time, enforcement
of civil rights cases languishes. . .
we all know discriminatory conduct
occurs every day, yet. . . it will
have to “wait“. . . [what did dr. king
say about “justice, delayed” being
“justice, denied“?]
we are only now becoming able to prove — to
document — what we have long-suspected: there
are real results from these cravenly-partisan, and
nefarious, karl rove/administration efforts. . .
to wit — even more recently — good data
has emerged indicating that four times as
many democrats were targeted in public
corruption cases, by the ashcroft-gonzales
DoJ, than were republicans. . . i’ve rendered
a few glossy, 3-D pie-charts on the
university professors’ data, thus far
(DoJ 2001 to 2006) — christy, feel free to
post them anywhere you like.
[in fact, i grant firedoglake a perpetual,
worldwide, royalty-free, paid-up non-exclusive
license in and to all the content at my blog.
images, video, audio — whatever. use it all
in any way you all can, to inform and persuade. . .
if you want it, that is. he he!]
again — i am humbled. . . thanks.
this joint is the sh!zz-nit!
Tenet was gabbing away about terra on MTP this morning, and suddenly Russert asked him why have there been no suicide bombings in the U.S. Tenet was speechless for a moment…I can’t even remember his response, because it was so lame.
That question, has been one I have tumbled around in my mind for a long time. Why, why, why? It does not make sense, unless you look at it from another angle.
LS @ 33
Yeah…they have a name for this: The Permanent Republican Majority
STTP in Ohio @ 17
what scares me is simply this:
THESE PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD TO ALLOW A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT IN 2008!
They could allow a barely democratic congress in 2006 because they had stacked the deck at justice and thus any inconvenient subpoenas would not be enforced, or if they were, a quick writ of certio rare from Alito or Roberts would jerk it to a halt. I mean, do ANY of you think that if Madelyn Allbright in 1995 had said, “I don’t feel like complying with a subpoena from a congressional oversight committee so I guess I’ll just send them a letter…” would not have resulted in a bill of impeachment against her THE NEXT DAY???!!! My god people! and smirkin’ al, laughing at congress as he did a letter-perfect imitation of a mafia don at a kefauver hearing (yes, I’M THAT OLD!). It is beyond despicable! The ATTORNEY GENERAL uses mafia techniques and SMIRKS about it!
The bottom line people, is that if the democrats win in 2008, expect our republic to experience its first real crisis. Note that Thomas Sowell, the black republican columnist, has OPENLY WRITTEN THAT A MILITARY COUP MAY BE NECESSARY! in a major publication. I don’t think he did that because he was having a bad aunt jemima day. I think that was code to the wingnuts that it is now okay to consider using force to stop “the liberals”.
the cold cruel wind of history is blowing people. i don’t know what we can do about it, but i’m scared. for the first time in the fifty plus years I’ve paid attention to politics, i’m scared so badly i’m considering moving myself and my family to england. for real.
and before you say “massive public demonstrations” would bring the country to its knees if there were a coup, check out the “pain ray” weapons NOW AVAILABLE to the military (go to Danger Room Blog at Wired or Defense Tech or even wikipedia). these suckers will turn any crowd into a stampeding screaming mob, literally burning alive from inside! Do you think dick cheney would hesitate to turn these loose on us “liberals”? And even if the regular military wouldn’t go along, don’t forget the christianist who runs blackwater, the world’s largest mercenary army. and that posse commitatus has been quietly revoked in one of the recent bills (please check me on this but i’m quite sure on it…) So all Dick Cheney has to do is induct the Blackwater mercs into the national guard, then call them up and federalize them, and send them out to take care of business.
i’m scare people. really really scared. we may be dancing on the poop deck of the titanic while dick and dubya smile at us from the lifeboats…
LS @ 33
It is a coup - They have hijacked the government of the United LStates - clear and simple.
So, how do you think this will end? And at what pace? We’ve got 18 mos to ensure an honest election. Will We get Gonzales, Griffin et al out in time? What do you think?
A quite germane ThinkProgress post I mentioned in another thread yesterday:
REPORT: Karl Rove’s Politicization Of The Federal Government
Link to ThinkProgress report
rwcole @ 25
Meanwhile a very interesting article about The A Commander-In-Chief’s effort to find a sacpegoat WAR CZAR for Iraq.
Bush and Hadley are just too busy, it seems, to coordinate the problems between the State Department and the Pentagon. I guess all those bike rides and holidays in Texas are just wearin’ Dubya out.
Of course, he doesn’t want “politicians” (like himself. I guess) meddlin’ in the war. I mean they just might ignore the recommendations of the Generals in the field and have us invade a country needlessly, or sumpthin’. Or they might fire or ask for the resignations of those that disagree. Or send them off to another theater.
So it’s essential that a War Czar be found to “micromanage” the war…someone not in the military now, of course. Not Gates, of course. His job is to run the MILITARY, he wasn’t brought in to run the war in Iraq, was he?
So we need a civilian. But not like those Democratic gnats over in Congress. A civilian who will do the President’s bidding, but give him the CYA, to say that it was the “War Czars” fault!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....PkHPyyFz4D
Lou Costello @ 27
Did Stephanopolis ask Tancredo about ANY of these things?
Phoenix Woman @ 35
Phoenix Woman, may I ask “who in the hell thinks this isn’t a big deal?”
lolo
dakine01 @ 5
Yep, I’ve seen some of her comments. Both she and Texas Betsy are big-time cool.
I went over and dropped a couple of lines at youthinkleft. Gotta keep them encouraged and enthused. Thanks for the link.
I’m so relieved to see everyone has their tinfoil hats on. Mine has become permanently imbedded. We are in danger here, people, and the more of us that shout about it, the more will listen.
Alfred Kelgarries: Note that Thomas Sowell, the black republican columnist, has OPENLY WRITTEN THAT A MILITARY COUP MAY BE NECESSARY! in a major publication.
I was thinking about this the other day and it occurred to me that the military hates these clowns as much as anyone! I don’t think a military coup is an option for the Cheney-Rumsfeld gang. (I know Rummy isn’t there anymore, but they haven’t forgotten who put him there, and the military people hate him.)
Charles Savage and the McClatchy folks have been spot on with the USA reporting.
NYT, not so much.
Post–MIA. How fallen from Watergate days.
OT:
I heartily concur with Lou Costello @ 11:
It is nice to hear someone say this out loud.
________________________________________
Also . . . on that list of things that make you go, “Hmmmm?”
Republicans defect to the Obama camp
Phoenix Woman, may I ask “who in the hell thinks this isn’t a big deal?”
Chris Matthews. He’s said as much.
If anyone here is in the central Ohio area, or have family or friends who live here, just wanted to let you know that there’s a big event tomorrow evening calling on legislators to pass some regulations to limit some of the worst abuses of payday lenders.
LS @ 45
i noticed that too. tenet is beyond lame. does he not know about the al-Qaeda planning document found by Norwegian intelligence - in 2003!!! ‘course we don’t know what their intentions are now… but initially, they thought it was in their strategic interest NOT to attack USA mainland for awhile. from an interview with robert pape:
is no one reading robert pape’s research on suicide terrorism?
Riesz Fischer @ 57
read the rest of my post. they won’t use the military, they’ll use christianist blackwater mercs. read up on what those clowns are up to in iraq; the thought of having them here, legalized and on the streets, makes my blood run even colder.
Confusion here.
I am seeing some posters quoting “post numbers” to the right of a poster’s “name” and others utilizing numbers from the post above.
To me, the grey area with the poster’s name and the number seems logical.
But then again, I’ve been subjected to fascism so long….it could be affecting me in ways of which I am unaware.
Another quote from Aristotle:
“A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider God fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing he has the Gods on his side.”
Alfred Kelgarries @ 48
A link please to Thomas Sowell Military Coup what does it take to send a loyal Bushie up on a treason charge! I still want to see Scooter hang for outing OUR SPY Valerie Palme!
nolo @ 45
Better watch it nolo, this makes you an Enemy of the State: U.S. Army Thinks Media is a Threat to the Nation
LS,
although they are currently very busy with Shitstormpalooza, keep checking over at CREW, believe the chart below is their handiwork :)
link
solai @ 56
People will listen when they begin to realize it is reality. There IS a conspiracy. It is not a theory.
All tyrannies ultimately implode. We are witnessing the implosion as we speak. Over 70% of the country doesn’t like what’s going on. They will NEVER be able to regain the support and trust of the American people or the world that they had right after 9/11. They cannot ultimately continue their plan without that blind support.
dakine01 - @ 5
Thanks. Nobel’s and Pulitzer’s get shared, so who am I to argue? Credit Savage, and our favorite ReddHedd for following up.
——
I’ll just mention that I think Hugh posted Regent’s ‘placements’ the other day from their online catalog enticing others to follow a successful brand. It includes the FEC.
fwiw.
LS @ 34
It is interesting to me that this is exactly what conspiracy theorists have been talking about for some time. Only to be marginalized and ridiculed as “crazy”.
I think this narrative may be true, in whole or in part (I don’t know which), but that we should advance such theories carefully or be ready to be laughed at.
A good strategy then would be to talk about these issues in pieces, let your readers (and as a commentator at FDL you have readers too.) connect the dots, if any.
Just a thought.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 63
I agree they would do this if they could, but do you really think Blackwater could stand up to the armed services? I think the generals would have those those mercenaries blown out of the water. Remember, the military service men and women hate the mercenaries.
things come undone @ 66
Alfred Kelgarries @ 48
STTP in Ohio @ 17
This ties into the previous thread nicely. Between the bath the DOJ needs and the SCOTUS appointments, we must win in 2008.
Failure is not an option.
Electability must trump personal preference.
what scares me is simply this:
THESE PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD TO ALLOW A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT IN 2008!
They could allow a barely democratic congress in 2006 because they had stacked the deck at justice and thus any inconvenient subpoenas would not be enforced, or if they were, a quick writ of certio rare from Alito or Roberts would jerk it to a halt. I mean, do ANY of you think that if Madelyn Allbright in 1995 had said, “I don’t feel like complying with a subpoena from a congressional oversight committee so I guess I’ll just send them a letter…” would not have resulted in a bill of impeachment against her THE NEXT DAY???!!! My god people! and smirkin’ al, laughing at congress as he did a letter-perfect imitation of a mafia don at a kefauver hearing (yes, I’M THAT OLD!). It is beyond despicable! The ATTORNEY GENERAL uses mafia techniques and SMIRKS about it!
The bottom line people, is that if the democrats win in 2008, expect our republic to experience its first real crisis. Note that Thomas Sowell, the black republican columnist, has OPENLY WRITTEN THAT A MILITARY COUP MAY BE NECESSARY! in a major publication. I don’t think he did that because he was having a bad aunt jemima day. I think that was code to the wingnuts that it is now okay to consider using force to stop “the liberals”.
the cold cruel wind of history is blowing people. i don’t know what we can do about it, but i’m scared. for the first time in the fifty plus years I’ve paid attention to politics, i’m scared so badly i’m considering moving myself and my family to england. for real.
and before you say “massive public demonstrations” would bring the country to its knees if there were a coup, check out the “pain ray” weapons NOW AVAILABLE to the military (go to Danger Room Blog at Wired or Defense Tech or even wikipedia). these suckers will turn any crowd into a stampeding screaming mob, literally burning alive from inside! Do you think dick cheney would hesitate to turn these loose on us “liberals”? And even if the regular military wouldn’t go along, don’t forget the christianist who runs blackwater, the world’s largest mercenary army. and that posse commitatus has been quietly revoked in one of the recent bills (please check me on this but i’m quite sure on it…) So all Dick Cheney has to do is induct the Blackwater mercs into the national guard, then call them up and federalize them, and send them out to take care of business.
i’m scare people. really really scared. we may be dancing on the poop deck of the titanic while dick and dubya smile at us from the lifeboats…
A link please to Thomas Sowell Military Coup what does it take to send a loyal Bushie up on a treason charge! I still want to see Scooter hang for outing OUR SPY Valerie Palme!
Sowell Supports Military Coup In US
Left-coast sleepyhead probably reposting TPM’s coverage of WaPo correction:
Dems no longer in disarray!
(But only in a small, page A03 correction. Greg details, at the link, how and where this meme spread last week. Of course, David Broder didn’t read his own paper’s correction.)
good morning, all!
LS @ 34
LS, Here is a link to a website that has time lines and all sorts of juicy tidbits. Check out the site map.
lolo Linky
albert fall @ 58
Speaking of the WaPo, nobody be mean to Debbie:
Nice comments section…It’d be a shame if something were to ‘happen’ to it...
RagingGurrl @ 35
Civil Service positions are protected against retaliatory firings based upon political affiliation or contributions.
The Executive can replace at will tens of thousands of Administrative “patronage” positions that are not protected by the Civil Service regulations. They cannot fire someone in order to inhibit an investigation into criminal activities or to eliminate legitimate voting rights protected by law (which is why the US Atty issue is NOT simply one of “Presidents choice”) OR if that person was a whistleblower regarding government malfeasance.
Patronage positions, ones where an individual is weighed by how well they would advance a new Administrations POLICY AGENDA, are generally made at the start of a new Administration. All those who hold patronage positions pretty much know they are susceptible to turnover at that time. That’s why the brouhaha over the WH Travel Office during the Clinton Administration was so absurd. All those folks were brought in to replace an earlier staff that were told to leave when Reagan came into office. They got darn comfortable with being there in 12 years. When Hillary brought in her friends they tried to imply that it was illegal. It wasn’t, and they KNEW IT! They got in the same way.
Generally the Hatch Act is supposed to prevent the use of government resources for political purposes by any appointee. So investigations into a civil service appointees political activities outside of work would be a no-no. You can’t hire-fire them on that basis, so snooping into it would also be a no-no unless it related to criminal charges (for example, contracts awarded to a favored political candidate…or a Civil Service employee being somehow hired on the basis of how much they contributed to a campaign).
Lou Costello @ 67
With all due respect, I think it was a bit over the top, especially the music. A bit overly dramatic.
Just helping you out nolo. So ya don’t get the swelled head syndrome and have trouble walking through doors.
;)
Regarding the danger we’re in:
What we need is to have a TV news show talking about this. I know nothing about the mechanics of such a thing, but I suggested to Laurie David and Sheryl Crow (as a comment on their HuffPo diary) that they would reach far more people if they had a news show. I suggested that HBO might consider it. I don’t care how it comes about, but I think the internet crowd is convinced already. But the TV people aren’t hearing it.
Hello Christy!
Nice writing as usual.
I very much agree with you here. There is irony and sadness in way that the DOJ has been commandeered for partisan political gain, rather than allowing it to operate simply for the pursuit of protection and truth for all of America. The pugs doing this are unAmerican.
I think the Bush admin. has done much to destabilize us as a nation. They are hoping this keeps us just too busy and too tired running after our tails to see the demolition of the good. Too busy and too tired from keeping our heads above water financially, and for having to make up for all the squandered and ignored domestic policy.
LS @ 34
exactly. there was a coup in 2000 and we’re seeing it play out now. I’m just astonished that they didn’t manage to steal the 06 election too. 08 is going to be very interesting …
Lou Costello @ 67
he he!
next thing you know, i’ll be
forever-carrying my cell-phone
in a foil-lined doritos chip-bag,
to avoid satellite-triangulation. . .
will smith: “why’d you blow up
your own building?!”
gene hackman: “because you made
a phone-call!”
Christy, I can only imagine how much more shaken these corrupt maneuvers leave you than they do this reader…
May I suggest some other comparisons, in terms of what’s left, what’s crucial non-dross?
Just as Bush and co are cheating, deceiving, and letting down the troops they claim to support, they orchestrated the ouster of high-performing prosecutors who would not help them roll back the previous decades’ progress on civil rights. Please, you folks with access to journalists’ ears… Don’t let them keep up this “voter fraud” charade, when it was case after case of disenfranchisement!
The other galling irony is the RNC email slipperiness, on top of blowing a CIA agent’s cover (and entire network), at the same time that they used the alll-hallowed excuse of national security to silence so many people (through abusing the National Security Letter thing). What’s the tagline, “IOKIYAR”? Well it’s not okay.
Thank you Christy! Go go go!!! (including resting & everything you need to refuel)
Noen 71,
I appreciate your comments. First of all, I am just expressing my own personal opinion based on what I have researched, and I do not represent that my thoughts are representative of FDL. That said, I believe there is adequate back-up for what I have written. So, let them laugh. He who laughs last, laughs best.
How many of our soldiers are still in this country?
solai @ 79
This will not happen. It will not be allowed.
Next idea?
things come undone @ 39
Please read this Wikipedia article about juristic persons, from which I have quoted at some length in response to comments about corporate personhood that I have read in recent months in various FDL threads: Juristic person
I have omitted references to footnotes contained in the original article.
Riesz Fischer @ 72
WHAT MILITARY? we ARE going to open a front in iran late this year or early next, watch for it! Every loose military body and their armor and equipment will be pinned down in deadly combat in Iran and Iraq. And they can’t just say (even if their CO’s okayed it) “oops! military coup at home by mercs, lets pull out, under heavy enemy attack, get all our equipment onto ships that take FIVE WEEKS to sail back to the US and then fly home aboard COMMERCIAL AIRLINERS to put a stop to it.” they’d a) never get out alive b) not be able to get the ships loaded and out because the ship owners couldn’t get insurance (read up about what happens to ship insurance in a war zone) and c)no commercial jetliners either because they’ll all be embargoed here. (and interestingly enough, the military heavy and medium transport aircraft are wearing out at a ferocious rate, see Defense Tech and/or Danger Room for more on that.)
No, when I say I’m scared I mean it. I’ve been doing national security stuff a long time and I’ve never seen stuff this bad at home. So paste this in your tinfoil hats people, you even yet don’t realize the level of murderous horror you are dealing with here. I’ve looked at cheney’s eyes and I’ve seen those eyes before. Go check out a picture of stalin. he’ll put us all in hell at a moment’s notice, don’t think he won’t. the only hope we have is that enough people at my (now retired from) level have figured this out and are quietly taking steps behind the scenes.
1,508 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Patriots:
I know the last few years have been especially hard on you with your absolute fealty to the rule of law and our system of justice. I am surprised, however, that you are not re-evaluating your understanding of our justice system in the light of history and the exposure of the terminal corruption that has metastasized in the entire structure in the last6 years.
Our system of justice, at the federal level anyway, has been a dagger and a cloak for vested wealth and has been a vehicle for the establishment of an American oligarchy that now has private armies and it’s own healthcare system. The dagger has been used to stop the empowerment of common people against the power of the corporate and bankin’ interests. The cloak is the legitimacy legal decisions give for the disenfranchisement of citizens over the course of our history. The decision of the Supreme Court to attach the rights of the individual to the corporation gave life to the American oligarchy as we know it. The decision of the high court to protect the power of money under the first amendment was the last nail in the coffin of a free politics in America.
The corruption of the Civil Service in the Justice Department demands that there be a full-blown purge of the existing administration of government with the new President. We must begin to advance the Democratic Party as the vanguard of an anti-fascist movement that will first throw all the criminals out of power and then cleanse the federal judiciary, including the Supreme Court, of all memory of fascism. Only then will we be able to attempt to institute a real “rule of law” in what will be left of our country.
KEEP THE FAITH AND REMEMBER YOU CAN’T LOSE SOMETHIN’ YOU NEVER HAD!!
Here’s the actual Sowell quote- at the end of a fairly long column about how americans are too stupid to govern themselves (about which we would often agree):
“When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia, I can’t help wondering if the day may yet come when the only thing that can save this country is a military coup.”
nolo @ 45
nolo thanks so much for sharing all your goods with us. I peek in at your blog everyday looking for your latest creation but I have to say seeing that um…. face is a real stomach turner. Love the graffiti though!
lolo
Do you remember the story that’s told about Nixon’s last days. From what I’ve read, nobody knows if it’s true or urban myth but it’s been said that after realizing that he would be forced out if he didn’t resign, he turned to an advisor and asked “Is there anything left that I can do?” The response: “Well,sir, there’s always the military.”
solai @ 85
If this type of administration remains an additional 8 years, they could probably arm and support an internal private army that could rival the U.S. Military, but there is no way they will regain control at this point, unless there was an event that created martial law or they successfully direct the 2008 elections in their favor (which I would think would be their biggest goal right now). But we aren’t going to let that happen, now are we…
BTW - They just announced that the Bush clone won the French election.
advice taken, noen.
and appreciated.
t h a n k s.
it does strike me as a
rather dramatic moment, in the
history of our 220 year-
old-attempt-at-ordered-liberty,
though. . . i guess we differ
on this. thus, my “national
treasure” background/sound-track. . .
s m i l e. . .
Re: Nixon’s last days: Was that advisor Cheney or Rummy?
Relocate out of the country?
LS @ 84
I agree with you. I’m not discounting the idea that this administration represents a threat to our civil liberties. I am simply suggesting one strategy for presenting it so that you are not immediately marginalized. Presenting things piecemeal might get you farther, I think.
I believe that we should be careful and think about how present things because we are policy wonks. Most people have no clue who the US attorney general even is, what he is doing or why they should care.
We have opponents, we should think about how they would react. It’s a chessboard, we need to think several moves ahead.
No Blood for Hubris @ 95
BOTH!
noen @ 97
Point taken. But we better hurry up :}
LS- Gack!
Nicolas Sarkozy lu prsident de la Rpublique
Lou Costello @ 98
Hey, I have the sheet music for that old song…
;>)
my pleasure!
yeh — thanks! — i think putting
cheney’s own handwriting, about joseph wilson/
valerie plame, and scooter libby,
on his forehead, punctures that
smugly self-satisfied grin, no?
thanks, again, lolo!
france may benefit from a conservative- if there is enough support to get some things done. They’ve got issues.
OT drive-by news
Sarkozy won the French election-53% of the vote according to cnn
read the post earlier Christie, thank you.
French riots in 5….4….3….
solai @ 96
No.
I think TMP has the right idea. They have practically started their own alternate TV network. I think we should turn the political videos like nolos (which was very good BTW, I was joking) into a flood.
Blogs have become an alternate editorial opinion page, superior to those in newspapers. Does anyone read them any more? I don’t.
We do the same thing with political videos.
NorskeFlamethrower @ 89
Yeah! Corporations should not be individuals under the law If CEO’s and board members can vote themselves pay then they are in Charge, then they are the Boss and not the legal fiction of a person the Corporate “entity ” are responsible PERSONALLY for the Corporations Actions.
sorry to be so dense.
cool?
cool.
s m i l e. . .
OT (sorta)~
A possibility?: theREALnews
As to voting rights. We know that the rabble rousing blacks were given voting rights back in 1964. That was good enough for ‘em.
We now know that the only real victims in America today are Republicans and conservatives…From Delay, to David Horowitz, to Condi Rice and Clarence Thomas and yes, ever suffering Pickles and the Commander Guy.
So why trouble your beautiful minds with concern for poor minorities…It wouldn’t be Straussian.
-GSD
Did you all read the posts the other day about
Falcon I,II & III where they had massive sweeps of supposedly dangerous felons and arrested a huge number of people just before the election?
Add into the paranoia all those detention centers they want to build. And ann coulter’s remark that liberals should realize that they can be sent to GITMO. (I admit that quoting AC crosses the line, but that remark has always bothered me)
AK@48
i’m scare people. really really scared. we may be dancing on the poop deck of the titanic while dick and dubya smile at us from the lifeboats…
I’m as freaked out by these people as the next guy, but as someone else stated in this thread, the military aren’t exactly in love with these crooks, either.
They might not go quietly, but they’ll go.
We survived Nixon, we’ll survive them.
TheraP @ 64
Some comments may have been submitted while a post is in moderation. Others may have been submitted prior to a troll comment getting deleted. Numbers are sometimes funny things but there’s usually a rational/reasonable explanation. Unlike with the current admin and their actions.
solai @ 92
In their book on Nixon, the watergate guys quoted the Chairman of the JCOS as saying that he’d quietly told the football guys (those holding the nuclear codes) to hold any launch order for confirmation from him unless there were enemy incomings on the screens at NORAD. No way to verify it, but even including it indicates people were indeed worried about that issue.
I’ve got a worse scenario. If Bush and Condi are “husband and wife”, what happens if Laura walks in at an inconvient moment? During the lewinsky mess, my dear wife had a dream that we’d woken up to news that clinton was dead, and hillary was under arrest for his murder. fortunately, she was a woman of better character. Laura Bush, OTOH, sold pot and ran over her boyfriend. If I were Dubya, I’d think carefully about that….
Did you all see this? It was in last nights late late night thread from our dear GSD. He is so funny. I love that guy!linky
GSD @ 110
DING ding! DING!
707!!!
perfect. and sadly, too
close to the truth behind
their shamelessly-transparent
talking points on this topic.
TeddySanFran @ 74
hhmmmmm….didn’t somebody post Weisman’s reply to inquiry on this that said, “I stand by the story and reporting”?
hoping I didn’t foul the margins…
Sarko wins
La Lutte Continue
1,508 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen noen and the Firepup Patriots:
“It’s a chessboard and we need to think several moves ahead.”
No, friend, politics in a democracy is NOT chess. Free politics is pell-mell, helter skelter and not very tidy and the only solution to the threat of well conceived, authoritarian political movements is MORE DEMOCRACY and freedom of expression. I don’t worry about the ignorance of our citizenry with regard to politics and political action…I worry about the apathy and cynicism of the majority of common people in a society run by policy wonks on behalf of the wealthy and powerful. I worry about the surrender of a free people to tyranny as the result of a history of oppression by a well conceived and disciplined justice system serving the interests of the few.
No dear neon, we have more to fear from the “chess players” in our politics than the ignorant folks who are jest tryin’ ta make sense of a horrible nightmare.
KEEP THE FAITH AND REMEMBER THAT WE HAVE SEEN THE ENEMY AND HE IS NOT US!!
Thanks Christy for this post.Now that the big news in “legitimate” MSM is Edward’s haircut…and Bush’s approval ratings are officially 29%…Carter’s also got that low. I’m thinking..Carter put solar panels in the WH, he was so concerned with global warming and energy crunch. Interest rates soared during his term. Gas shortages resulted in the loss of family farms. Carter made the statement, ” I realized after a year in the WH, I didn’t have much say in important issues.” Are dems. sabatoged by big corporations, and what can we do to stop it?
TheraP @ 64
suggestion.. quote a person by name and time of their comment, not the number..that doesn’t change.
TeddySanFran @ 74
Good morning Teddy. It is such a beautiful day here in southern CA. HOw is the weather up where you are?
lolo
LS @ 99
The problem as I see it how do we normalize something that appears to be on the “fringe” right now? That is how the idea that the Bushies represent a coup d’etat would be received.
I’m not really sure. My suggestion is a piecemeal approach, but maybe that is wrong. Maybe that dilutes things too much.
Is there a middle ground left any more? How do you reach people who think the second coming is around the corner and that the earth is 10,000 years old? Just speculating out loud here.
I love it when that north wind blows through
Yep SoCal finally got a nice day- it’s been like pudding out for months. Global Clustefucking I suppose.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 40
Christy, I agree that the rank of a school is not determinitive of the quality of the individual. But those Regent’s graduates were trained in a very unusual philosophy of law in which Biblical underpinnings were supposedly the basis of all our law and Constitution.
That would, I’m sure, be surprising to any scholarly historian outside of the fundamentalist Universities in the country.
The Bible has not a whit about the Roman and Greek structural components of the Constitution. There are a lot about Kings and Religious “ayatollahs”…but nothing about assemblies of common people making collective decisions. Not much about human-decided collective rights and responsibilities. And the Common Law of the country goes back to the pre-Christian era of the Celts, Angles and Saxons…principles that were buttresses against the “Divine right of kings” and the Papal Encyclicals.Indeed the idea of “natural laws” really is inconsistant with a Biblical basis since there is a near Universality of “law” (mores and taboos) that is found across most cultures and religions, not exclusive to Christianity and Judaism. Peoples everywhere, in all social groups, had to work out viable ways of interacting in orderly and respectful manners. Some of these may even go back beyond the emergence of our species.
When Christians are trained to think that THEIR RELIGION is superior to all others and that their doctrine is natural and unchangeable, even by broad popular consensus, it poses a danger…and is especially dangerous when those individuals assume offices of responsibility over those outside their sectarian belief system.
Did you ever have an opportunity to look at the Regent’s Course Catalog and links to various Institutes and Associations that Regent’s participates in? It isn’t simply the Federalists. These guys are active in promotingthe destruction of the public education system by vouchers, paid NCLB transfers to religious schools, compelling public Universities to accept religious courses for credit in mandated Biology, History, and Literature Courses, etc. They have courses that “explore” Islam, Hinduism, and other sects and “analyze” their defects “from a Christian perspective”. Their international law courses are structured to promote evangelical activities abroad. And so it goes….
http://www.regent.edu/acad/sch.....ecords.cfm
http://www.regent.edu/acad/sch.....tsprog.cfm
David Ehrenstein @ 118
Oh the poor Republicans, they are going to be reduced to cheering on Jacques Chirac’s successor as a moral victory. That is how low they have gone. They don’t realize that right-wing Sarkozy falls somewhere to the left of Barney Frank and Maxine Waters.
-GSD
Christy Hardin Smith @ 40
Thank you. I didn’t view it from this perspective, since I’m very skeptical of all things Bush. It’s true that graduation from a top tier law school is not indicative of high moral character.
My concern is about the loyalty oath - aren’t Regent students more likely to be devoted to neoconservative or Christian principles rather than the constitution or law? There may be exceptions, but they do seem possessed with an evangelical spirit to spread the gospel, and I don’t mean that in a good way.
If they are also proven to be poorly qualified, in other words, they were given preference over qualified candidates because of their loyalty pledge to Bush, can they be replaced by qualified candidates in 2008/9?
#113
Thank you so much!!!
I can deal with uncertainty. And it’s nice to know there is a logic here - and the deletion of trolls and so forth. And I’ll just go with it!
………
As for the current bu$shco mess, it seems to me that it’s easier to steal an election when the electorate is split down the middle. But now? I don’t think it would be possible. So that leaves martial law - which is hard with all the troops in Iraq.
If it comes to martial law, I would suggest massive civil disobedience. Who would arrest 70% of the citizenry? And even if they could, where would they put us?
I think this mafia/fascist cabal is coming undone. And nothing can stop it…. unless people revert, as they did after nixon - and I was an adult when that occured - now this.
So a tuned-out citizenry… that’s what worries me.
Thanks for this post Christy. Bush’s approval rates are 29% as were Jimmy Carter’s. Carter put solar panels in the WH and pushed for better gas mileage in vehicles. He made the statement,” After a year in the WH, I realized I didn’t have much input.” High interest rates and gas shortages made him unpopular. Now …big news John Edwards’ hair cut. Just like Clintons’. Bush can walk across the room without falling and put a paragraph out without major boo boos and MSM swooned. How can we keep this from ever happening again?
“Nixon”
Yeah we got rid of Tricky Dick- four four years- and then got Reagan…
Shit!
I hope you’re right. I couldn’t stand having another country go neocon.
NorskeFlamethrower @ 119
I think you make some good points here. But I was talking about what the way to present an idea that today is perceived to be on the fringe. I’m not 0 sure either. I was simply making a suggestion and throwing it out there.
Politics isn’t a chess game, it’s all out war.
GSD @ 110
‘Now you’re talkin’ straight, boy’
;>)
LS @ 84
By the way, LS, I’m wondering if you could repeat your links for the dead prosecutors etc. that you mentioned yesterday. (I think it was you.) I’ve searched through several threads now and can’t find them, and it’s driving me crazy. Or could you direct me to a central url that’s keeping up with all this? Thanks.
IRT the USAs
So, how do you all see this playing out?
Any predictions?
What are these guys trying to hide? Think about it. One of Bush’s first acts was the restrictions/bans on releases of Presidential records. Then we have the Supreme Court tarantella with Harriet Meyers, that was the foreplay to put Alito on the court. Then we have the packing of Justice. Now we learn that Howard Hunt was involved in the assasination of JFK.
Bush has always been a failure. C student, Arbusto, etc. However, he has always had money. When I was in grad school in economics at the University of Chicago, one of the professors (Lester Telser) had what he called the “Zero Mostel Constraint.” He took this idea from Mel Brooks’ The Producers — specifically that for the economic model to work appropriately, you had to assume that someone wouldn’t plan to be successful through failure. You can make a ton of money through bankruptcy. Look at Enron. These guys made billions knowing that they could keep selling the “black box” lie. Of course it was going to crash. But the key was to syphon off as much as possible of others’ investments in the scheme.
Bush, Cheney, Rove, Halliburton, etc. are doing the same. They know the fraud will be exposed. They are just trying to sabotage the system by gutting Justice, the CIA, the military, while off-shoring thier money. Why did Halliburton move to Dubai? Why is Bush investing in a ranch in Paraguay? Because these places are bastions of human rights?
This thread’s getting kind of crazy even for me! I think I’ll run out and get some Reynold’s heavy duty aluminum foil, pronto!
Breaking: 6 more soldiers, 1 journalist killed in Iraq.
God help us.
Noen 123,
“Is there a middle ground left any more? How do you reach people who think the second coming is around the corner and that the earth is 10,000 years old?”
Very good question. They listen to storytellers. I think if the story (backed up by facts) could be presented in its entirety with a beginning, middle, and end; it would be quite clear to them who is evil and who is not.
After all, that is exactly what the Bushies have done - only they framed lies to manipulate; whereas, my suggestion would be to shine a light on the truth in a comprehensive narrative, and that will ring true. Of course, any such story must be factual. That was also why I thought a chart similar to the Whitehouse chart would be effective, because of its facts and simplicity. Basically, I’m suggesting a simple story based on the facts that are known and backed up with a chart.
darkblack @ 134
Support your local Republican…..You never cease to amaze me.
-GSD
LS @ 140
Yeah, I like that idea.
Riesz Fischer @ 138
Please send some my way. Need more.
Margot @ 135
It wasn’t me (I saw the links and commented on it). I’ll try to find out which thread it was in.
solai @ 132
here’s a good link on sarcozy…
Bush and Cheney have set up a coup d’etat and who would stop them? His poll numbers are in the tank, but what would another terrorist attack do? It might reek of bad timing, but Bush has been the best thing to happen to jihad since forever, so what do they have to gain by having a sane person in the WH?
Most likely, Bush will leave office under a cloud of scandal and open investigations and we will try to “move on”. The only way I see that changing is if impeachment proceedings are started, but it’s not looking good for that. Once Bush is out of office, whoever comes in will be able to look clearly at all the bad shit he pulled, but I have a feeling that, at that point, pursuing it just isn’t going to seem that appealing.
GSD @ 127
That’s as good as in Nov ‘06 when all they had was: “Well at least Lieberman won!” ROTFLMMFAO
albert fall @ 58
Makes me almost want to go out and subscribe! There was a lot of fear when McCaltchy took over Knight-Ridder…but it seems that they have actually raised the bar.
Yesterday they had that great analysis on the impact of extended tours on the mental health and morale levels of troops on Iraq. It demonstrated that longer tours and shorter home deployments increased the rate of suicide, likelihood of abuse against Iraqi prisoners and civilians, violence within the force and against family and others after return, increased the risk of injury or death in combat, accident rates, etc. etc.
All this study was done BEFORE the “surge” necessitated even greater tour lengths, and the reduction of home leaves.
The troops are being deployed before they, and their divisions, meet the PENTAGON’S OWN readiness standards. Bush wants to ignore these standards (set not by “politicians” but by the military themselves). But he doesn’t want to have to SHOW 9by certification) that he is WAIVING THEM!
Just who is putting our troops in harms way here??? Bush is sending stressed, ill-prepared soldiers to fight in combat…yet he blames the Democrats for his crappy strategum.
rwcole @ 16
Bless you for the heads up! Here on the left coast we must wait till high noon for live coverage - ten long minutes - GO Tiger!
Yahoo is reporting 12 US soldiers reported killed and a US journalist.
Also an Iraqi major general was injured.
Not to mention the dissappeared story from Friday about the high level US commander who was injured by small arms fire while inspecting the progress on the wall.
Note from this Pentagon press release the EFP designation.
EFP(explosively formed projectiles) are what is being laid at the feet of the Iranians…As a journalist speculated, as the war falls apart, the Iranians will get the blame.
Thusly setting the table for the final PNAC Putsch over the top and into Iran.
-GSD
solai @ 143
Just remember…it’s being proven everyday…Everthing ‘THEY’ say IS a LIE!
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 87
I object to some persons “corporations ” being treated more equal than real people. I mock justice Scalia and the Federalist Society who claim to strictly construct the Consitution as to its original meaning when liberal issues are at issue. However they seem to have no problem doing the opposite when Conservative issues are discussed. The corporation as a legal entity concept is not found in the original Constituion I merely point out Scalia and the Federalist societies hypocrisy in supporting that “entities” rights over real people despite there not being a mention in the original Constituion. Which by the same logic they use to dismiss liberal causes they then must oppose because this later ruling is not mentioned in the Original. I am all for Corporations paying taxes, owning property etc. I do think when a corporation does something illegal the top officals should be held responsible. I do not think shareholders should be forced to pay the legal defense of Corporate board members who break the law because THEY and not the Corporation, which is a legal fiction with no capability of its own to break the law are responsible. Corporations I admit should exist but things do have to change being pro business should not mean being anti people!
Georgesimian @ 146
Bush and Cheney? It’s all Cheney. The Commander Guy is just along for the ride.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/.....more-16914
Excellent idea. I think I will subscribe.
Just a few thoughts from an interested foreigner (and one who is very much not a lawyer). Apologies if any seem OT: they all relate to attorneygate one way or another.
If I remember EW’s liveblogging of Comey’s testimony, towards the end, Comey was asked something like : ‘How would you go about restoring confidence in DOJ’ It seemed like he gave a fairly non-committal answer, where he could have said a number of things which would have got the ball rolling faster - simply because *his* saying them wd have given them huge credibility: as a former political appointee at DOJ he couldn’t have been accused of ‘partisan rancour’.
The sorts of things I have in mind that he might have said have would be - eg - ‘Well, it lloks as though Gonzales resigning might be a good step’; or ‘we need an independent prosecutor’ or ‘Congress ought to repass the lapsed special prosecutor statute - it would be irresponsible of Bush to use his veto if it undermines DOJ’ or even ‘Well, even if Bushco could fight it in court, they shd hand over the RNC emails ‘
Does anyone have any thoughts as to why he didn’t make any specific recommendations that the commmittee could then have followed up on.
Two further appended thoughts - a) Dems offered him at least some opportunity to say this, but they cd easily have led his testimony more - why didn’t they? and b) I’m not really trying to suggest that I’m cleverer than either Comey or you folks for thinking of these things - the point is that from here (viz, a long way off, and perhpas too far to see some things it looks as though Comey might have said things that could have unblocked various pipes. I certainly don’t want to rule out the possibility
PS - I guess I shd have posted this on LHP’s thread yesterday, but didn’t find it till today . Sorry abt that.
GSD @ 150
Well…. people have been predicting this for a long time now and it hasn’t happened. I think even the neocons realize that this is a no go for now.
noen @ 142
I’m sorry (or maybe not sorry), but I’m not sure there’s any particular point to reaching people who believe the earth is 10k yrs old, 2nd coming is around the corner, and bushie is doing a good job.
I also just don’t believe there are that many of those people around — a few deadenders …
The people who we do need to reach are those who aren’t thinking clearly about what’s really happening, who confuse political interests w/ sports-team affiliations, and who take the media at face value. Folks like my boss, long-term republican who recently told me he’d changed his registration to independent.
These are the people who need a coherent narrative, framing of the story, etc.
We also need to watch our state-level sec’y of state, local county clerks, etc. to make sure next elections runs as straight as possible.
And we need to keep up the pressure re iraq, sunshine in gov’t, support of env, etc. Don’t let them change the subject w/ the latest paris / anne nicole / serial killer / sports playoff.
darkblack - beautiful work! Once again you made my day. *s*
rwcole at 103
‘They’ve got issues’ - what do you feel their issues are?
Members of the Federalist Society are as good as Medal of Freedom recipients…know them by their actions:
Justice Department Tracked Federalist Society Influence On U.S. Attorneys
noen @ 97
This is being presented piecemeal. I think the time to be cautious is LOOOOOOOOOOOng past. Just say it loud and clear; these people have hijacked our entire government, our treasury, and our national resources, and destroyed the middle class and the military.
No. More. Timidity.
The fired US Attorneys were the lucky ones.
Tom Wales was pro-gun control and was the first US Attorney
to be assassinated in his home. Loyal Bushies don’t want the
American people to realize that the NRA is only one step away
from becoming right-wing death squads.
see the following link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....id=topnews
things come undone @ 66
Alfred Kelgarries @ 48
STTP in Ohio @ 17
This ties into the previous thread nicely. Between the bath the DOJ needs and the SCOTUS appointments, we must win in 2008.
Failure is not an option.
Electability must trump personal preference.
what scares me is simply this:
THESE PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD TO ALLOW A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT IN 2008!
They could allow a barely democratic congress in 2006 because they had stacked the deck at justice and thus any inconvenient subpoenas would not be enforced, or if they were, a quick writ of certio rare from Alito or Roberts would jerk it to a halt. I mean, do ANY of you think that if Madelyn Allbright in 1995 had said, “I don’t feel like complying with a subpoena from a congressional oversight committee so I guess I’ll just send them a letter…” would not have resulted in a bill of impeachment against her THE NEXT DAY???!!! My god people! and smirkin’ al, laughing at congress as he did a letter-perfect imitation of a mafia don at a kefauver hearing (yes, I’M THAT OLD!). It is beyond despicable! The ATTORNEY GENERAL uses mafia techniques and SMIRKS about it!
The bottom line people, is that if the democrats win in 2008, expect our republic to experience its first real crisis. Note that Thomas Sowell, the black republican columnist, has OPENLY WRITTEN THAT A MILITARY COUP MAY BE NECESSARY! in a major publication. I don’t think he did that because he was having a bad aunt jemima day. I think that was code to the wingnuts that it is now okay to consider using force to stop “the liberals”.
the cold cruel wind of history is blowing people. i don’t know what we can do about it, but i’m scared. for the first time in the fifty plus years I’ve paid attention to politics, i’m scared so badly i’m considering moving myself and my family to england. for real.
and before you say “massive public demonstrations” would bring the country to its knees if there were a coup, check out the “pain ray” weapons NOW AVAILABLE to the military (go to Danger Room Blog at Wired or Defense Tech or even wikipedia). these suckers will turn any crowd into a stampeding screaming mob, literally burning alive from inside! Do you think dick cheney would hesitate to turn these loose on us “liberals”? And even if the regular military wouldn’t go along, don’t forget the christianist who runs blackwater, the world’s largest mercenary army. and that posse commitatus has been quietly revoked in one of the recent bills (please check me on this but i’m quite sure on it…) So all Dick Cheney has to do is induct the Blackwater mercs into the national guard, then call them up and federalize them, and send them out to take care of business.
i’m scare people. really really scared. we may be dancing on the poop deck of the titanic while dick and dubya smile at us from the lifeboats…
A link please to Thomas Sowell Military Coup what does it take to send a loyal Bushie up on a treason charge! I still want to see Scooter hang for outing OUR SPY Valerie Palme!
It was a “published” RANDOM THOUGHT
http://article.nationalreview......k2MzQ0MGI=
Along with a bunch of other disconnected “stream of Unconcsiousness” (and UnConscienable” statements from the “affirmative action” token of the right-wing!
Tiger in a four way tie after five holes.
Margot 135, the links were in the Comey comments yesterday and maybe also in the Goodling one before it. They referred to dead USAs: 2 in Texas, 1 in WA state, and 1 in PA(?) with a possible DC Madam connection on the last one. See Yardbird dot com.
lee5 @ 157
I’d love to see a coherent narrative that framed the story as we see it. I think that is better than my original piecemeal approach by far.
Badwater @ 153
some interesting stuff there … One section on cheney choosing himself as vp:
I’ve always wondered about that whole episode. At the time, it just seemed bizarre.
LS @ 34
LS… By Jove, I think you’ve got it. Or at least the tip of the iceberg.
Bill in Turkey
Labor has too much power (here it has too little). The social safety net is too extensive and too expensive. Taxes are so high that avoiding the taxman is the national french avocation, and as a result of all of that and more- it is very difficult to obtain captital to finance start up operations. The general business climate creates an economic downdraft for the whole nation.
That being said- France is one of the most delightful nations on the face of the earth- and they need minor tinkering- not major surgery.
Eureka Springs @ 158
i second that emotion, to/
for darkblack!
e x c e l l e n t!
lolo got the ZeD☼
There’s a newThread
Kathryn in MA @ 161
Yeah, I’m coming around to that.
So how do we “say it load and clear” without getting labeled as crazy conspiracy theorists?
noen @ 156
Sounds just like many of the skeptics who told me we would NEVER go to war with Iraq. Don’t underestimate the powers of the Darkside and of Lord Cheney.
-GSD
LS @ 140
I simply tell them to look up the story of David and Bathsheba and Uriah the Hittite.
http://www.case-studies.com/bi.....david1.htm
It’s a classic allegory about abuse of power, thinking that one is superior to another on the basis of ones religion, and murder in the time of war.
noen @ 166
I’m wondering if the mainstream is ready to hear it described as a coup, war criminals in charge, takeover of the gov’t. And are the D’s willing to renounce the dictatorial powers of the urinary exec?
Georgesimian @ 146: “Once Bush is out of office, whoever comes in will be able to look clearly at all the bad shit he pulled, but I have a feeling that, at that point, pursuing it just isn’t going to seem that appealing.”
My hope is the Iraqis will find it appealing to charge the warmongers with war crimes and obtain convictions.
LS—-
Thanks!
Stephen Parrish, CPA I was trying to make a joke expose some hypocrisy and mock the Supreme Court, the Federalist Society, and Regency University. I will stand by my idea that Corporations and Business in general under Bush have gone to far and changes should be made. I don’t think we should get rid of Corporations for the reasons you quoted like press and poltical group freedom. Are we square or do you have any more concerns. Plus I’m sorry for my tone before.
Less paranoia, more logic, I say. I leave to go to the store and I come home to find out that half the thread has a tinfoil franchise going. I’m all for skepticism and cynicism — but not to the point where it makes me frightened and paralyzed. I refuse to let these people win. No system is perfect, no person in government is perfectly correct — but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t strive toward the best that we can be and expect it from others.
As for the corporate law questions, there are very good, logical reasons that our legal precedents are set up the way they are in terms of corporate entity obligations versus individual fiduciary obligations of board members and others in leadership positions. But it is a multi-course discussion to tell you all why, so I’ll just suggest spending some time studying the issue rather than trying to shorthand a “corporations suck, and should be punished” as an altogether stereotypical and wrongheaded view in the main. I have done legal work for any number of companies who were filled with decent people who wanted to create more jobs and move things forward, as well as make a profit. I can tell you from owning my own business that it isn’t an easy thing to do to remain true to your values and do good in the world and still be able to pay the bills and your employees. And when you tar all corporations with a bad brush, you are doing all of the decent folks an enormous disservice.
We should strive to be specific, and not judgmentally stereotypical, in how we look at this sort of thing. Because everyone who is not like you is not necessarily an enemy — sometimes they are just as much a friend, they just look a bit different than what you are used to seeing. And, at a time when any number of groups are equally disgusted with the Bush Administration, and disaffected with their brand of conservatism, we would do well to make allies who can push a better agenda forward. Honestly, if you are expecting purity from each and every person or group, you are going to be pissed off and waiting on the sidelines for a long, long time. Reality sometimes intrudes and it is time we all took a step back and started looking it in the face. Winning the Presidency and control of the naming of Supreme Court justices and cleaning up this federal mess hangs in the balance in the next election, and I’ll be damned if I’m going to sit by and watch our side of things get eaten alive by the same sort of purity litmus test that Monica Goodling and her ilk have imposed on the DoJ from the exact opposite point of political view.
noen @ 142
It begins in a dark cave somewhere in the middle east. A few men sit next to a fire. One man leans forward, his bearded face emerging from the shadows is now lit by the firelight.
He tells the other men of a magnificent plan to topple a nation - to bleed her of her treasure and dry the veins of her soldiers. And the battle will be fought on his terms, on the desert land of their brethren, because he will draw the idiot boy king to them.
The other men believe this plan to be impossible, they tell their friend to get some rest. But he assures them it will work, as his face slips back into the shadows.
1,508 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen noen and the Firepup Patriots:
“Is there a middle ground left anymore?”
No there isn’t. The determining element of any revolutionary or civil war situation is the absence of neutral ground politically…you are either for us or against us but ya can’t be neutral or both sides will kill ya. Ask our troops in Iraq.
The politics of authoritarian government is to marginalize the majority and circumscribe citizenship to describe only the supporters of the regime. Have you been asleep for the last 25 years,neon…this nightmare is not a dream, kid. The time for “reasoned”, tolerant, middle-of-the-road go along to get along is long gone.
The reality of our history has caught up with us, this is no longer about choosing the lesser of evils or between two equally legitimate ideas…this is a battle against established tyranny that has all but killed the Constitution. Either you are a fascist or an anti-fascist, it’s as simple as that and the fascisti have control of all the institutions of constitutional governance…the only solution to the problem of tyranny is MORE DEMOCRACY!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T FEEL ONE BIT SORRY FOR THE BASTARDS!!
RagingGurrl @ 180
scary image, and right on target? did you ever live there?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 179
an excellent comment, ma’am. my point was, and is, that if we do all the right things, win, and then get cheated of our victory by means even more foul than have been employed up to now, we must be mentally prepared for it and have the strength to deal with it legally and properly. people like dubya and dicky depend on fear more than anything else, and keep ramping up the threat to force their opponents to back down. (The threatening calls to the fired USA’s come to mind…) There was a gentlemen in ancient Rome, a generation before Caesar, called Sulla. he used this precise trick for his entire career, but in the end all his “reforms” went nowhere and the imperium still happened.
1,508 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON..
Citizen lee5:
“I’m wondering if the mainstream is ready to hear it described as a coup…”
Good lord, man, did you really say that??!! And just who the hell is “the mainstream” anyway??!! The problem is that “the mainstream” haven’t been presented with the truth of the coup but are certainly capable of understanding recent history in that light based on their own experience.
The only solution to the threat of tryanny to a democacy is MORE DEMOCRACY!!
KEEP THE FAITH BUT DON’T BELIEVE A WORD THEY SAY!!
Alfred Kelgarries @ 182
No. Looks like Bush will never find this cave either.
The last paragraph beyond the jump just scares me! “Schlozman was reshaping the Civil Rights Division,” said Joe Rich , who was chief of the voting rights section until taking a buyout in 2005, in an interview.
What? Took a buyout?
What in the world is the gov’t doing buying out people who are apparently not “loyal Bushies”? To me, this is the other side of the loyalty-test coin, and perhaps even more egregious. Buying out, (bribing) experienced people to fill the positions with incompetent apparatchiks is just wrong wrong wrong.
Thad at 186 — It was an early retirement buyout and the government has been doing this for years with high-level paygrade folks because it is cheaper to pay them to do early retirement than to continue to pay ever-increasing benefits and other salary perks at that level. It’s also standard practice in business. Not a conspiracy, just standard business practice based on a bottom line calculation. Truly. If it was used in a methodical fashion to rid various departments of experienced people who disagreed with policy initiatives, then that is worth looking into — but if it’s the standard retirement offer? Nothing to get worked up about other than losing a very good employee.
noen @ 78
Lou Costello @ 67
nolo @ 45
whoah?! — my little video
made the cover of firedoglake?!
color me blushingly, bashfully,
but entirely — honored. . .
Better watch it nolo, this makes you an Enemy of the State: U.S. Army Thinks Media is a Threat to the Nation
With all due respect, I think it was a bit over the top, especially the music. A bit overly dramatic.
Just helping you out nolo. So ya don’t get the swelled head syndrome and have trouble walking through doors.
;)
Maybe *over the top*, but made a point that I, as a new and not very thorough reader have missed while trying to climb the FDL landslide to try to get to the top. (OK, I confess, sometimes I parachute to the top & boogie board down.) The point being that not only were appointments fixed around slavish loyalty, but that structurally, it was set up for even more massive purges to come. And that AG AGKHHHHAAAARRRRRGGGHHK has clearly been lying again.
Zig freed by Mod
rwc at 159
OT - but I think we’re in EPUville now
Well, its certainly true that labour has more power in France than in the USA. Too much? Well, I wonder what you’d think the right amount was , and why?
I’d be inclined to say that even in France, labour has too little power. And the reason that I’d give for saying that is that ın quite a lot of cırcumastances *individual labourers* often do not to have the power to prevent themselves beıng treated oppressıvely .
In fact though, I’d say that one key difference between France and the USA has to do not with the power of labour, but with social solidarity with labour. I’d also say that this is one thing that Sarkozy will need to target in order to achieve what he wants to achieve, and I’m not sure I’d want to wish him success in this (and 47% of French voters seem to agree).
I don’t think this would be a matter of ‘minor tinkering’ - and I don’t think Sarkozy sees that as what he wants to do. And your own ‘make things happen’ comment did suggests you see more than minor tinkering being needed.
At 189 I was responding to rwcole at 169 not 159 -
apologies
Christy Hardin Smith @ 187
I see — ok. Thanks Christy, I’ll climb in off the window ledge.
Christy or Jane:
Took a look at this.
OT but FYI, there’s youngster that comments in the late afternoon and evening using the name SnarKassandra who would like to communicate with you. She has her own sites including YouThinkLeft A very mature and intelligent young woman. Texas Betsy is her aunt.
Potential guest commentators?
Christy at 179:
Lady, I sure hope you’re right!
Time Mag editor thinks USA story isn’t important or interesting.
albert fall @ 58
FWIW
Federal retirement benefits are NOT paid out of a Federal Agency’s Budget. i.e When the DOJ loses 10 people to retirement, 100% of their salary and benefits are taken off the books.
Federal buyouts can be targeted to specific areas and staff. They’re also easier on moral.
Rules make it *impossible* to do an targeted reduction in force in an skill area since senior employees can bump others with less seniority but better qualifications in different areas of the agency. RIF’s cause panic and lower moral.
Thad Beier @ 191
Afghan soldier kills 2 U.S. troops
I mentioned this over at TPMuckraker, too, so if you’re experiencing a deja vu moment, that’s it…
One thing that’s been bothering me about the coverage of this is that I don’t see enough distinction being made between *career* positions and “political” positions. I think a lot of people are figuring that these new hires will be gone when the Bush administration is. No. When an article talks about political litmus tests for “career” positions, they’re talking about people who *stay* after an administration leaves.
I know most of the people here understand that, but I don’t think John and Jane Public do, and I wish reporters would go to greater lengths to make sure that the difference is noted.
one thing that has become clear from the USA scandal is that rove’s famous “math” from the mid-terms was probably correct in mathematical terms. That rove didn’t count some significant number of registered democrats because he was counting on them being disenfranchised from voting was not evident at the time.
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jc_fromOR @ 188
Better watch it nolo, this makes you an Enemy of the State: U.S. Army Thinks Media is a Threat to the Nation
With all due respect, I think it was a bit over the top, especially the music. A bit overly dramatic.
Just helping you out nolo. So ya don’t get the swelled head syndrome and have trouble walking through doors.
;)
Maybe *over the top*, but made a point that I, as a new and not very thorough reader have missed while trying to climb the FDL landslide to try to get to the top. (OK, I confess, sometimes I parachute to the top & boogie board down.) The point being that not only were appointments fixed around slavish loyalty, but that structurally, it was set up for even more massive purges to come. And that AG AGKHHHHAAAARRRRRGGGHHK has clearly been lying again.
Zig freed by Mod
thanks, mods – and thanks for paying
such close attention, here jc_fromOR. . .
i understand, now, that noen was joking
about it being “over the top“. . .
but christy’s last few posts in this
thread deserve very close attention.
to wit — it may be several years into
the “new” administration before
most of these goodling/sampson career
appointees are documented-out, or move
on to easier (less intellectually rigorous)
jobs, in the private-sector. by “documented
out“, i mean that sound cause must be established
in order to remove them from their civil service
jobs — it is akin to a property right,
that cannot be taken without notice and
an opportunity to be heard — in short,
they have jobs until it is established they
are not meeting bona fide
requirements of working in the DoJ. . .
and that’s very scary.
that is also why christy is right that
the corporate “at will” emloyment model
is a wise one. . .
moreover, i am sorry if i contributed
however inadvertently, to the alcola speculative
arbitrage opportunities, here. . .
so, i say, be well — and demand
answers from our government. in small
words, and in short sentences. “no dancin’,
while our sons and daughters are dyin’ in
the sand, half-a-world-away, for these lies. . .”
flame, off. . .
I’m currently reading Chris Hedges’ AMERICAN FASCISTS…. It’s frightening to realize how close our beloved America is to being seized and irredeemably transformed by these Proto-Fascists…from a Democracy into an authoritarian Orwellian/Rovian state. The endgame of this conspiracy is still to be decided….I’m frightened for my country.
AMERICAN FASCISTS…Chris Hedges……. Timely and needed.
I always thought that “the best and the brightest” ended up being our public servants in our federal government.
But, “The average US News & World Report ranking of the law school attended by new career lawyers plunged from 15 to 65.”
The entire Bush administration is a virulent Hatch Act violation.
I’ve always heard Republicans say that they prefer the private sector over public service because they can make more money in the private sector.
Then, I continue reading that “political appointee” Republicans are being appointed to positions in our federal government to “build their resumes.” For advancement in public service? Hardly.
Thus, the difference between political appointees and career positions, with the Republican political appointees conducting a raid on our democracy for partisan purposes and the career government officials fighting back anyway they can to protect our Constitution and the “rule of law.”
So, what about Lang, the former U.S. Attorney out in California?
Republican political appointee. And although pushed out, she reportedly got a huge cash settlement for her “work” and was rewarded with a cushie job at a highly partisan Washington law firm.
Just as Schlozman will surely be.
This is what the hardcore, neo-con, Christianista Republicans mean when they say they are “building their resume” in public service.
And corrupting our democracy and all of our democratic institutions in the process. FEMA, DOJ, FDA, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. With the Republicans doing the dirty deed expecting a huge pay-out once they leave their “public service job” for the private sector.
Greetings Firepups,
First time posting…I am enjoying this discussion immensely. I take you all back to the concept of the overall strategy by the neonuts to turn all of the wheels of government in their favor. It has been briefly touched on how important “Black Tuesday” was in the overall plan…to make us afraid, distracted and in need of the government “daddy” figure. Well, as you all know, that veneer is now fading away. I have no desire to turn this discussion into a 9/11 truth thread but all of you, on your own, have touched upon the secret of their madness. The game was executed perfectly until they forgot to secure the internet and cleanse it of non-official story chatter. As you can all see now everything from the PNAC document to the 2000 election to 9/11 to the war on “terra” and on and on has a far simpler explanation than the ones so laboriously dwelled upon. The big boys wanted all of the marbles and they were perfectly willing to lie, cheat, kill and obstruct to have their way. Our country is under siege and there has been a well cloaked coup. There simply is no other explanation for why we all should be fighting tooth and nail now to save it. If patriots were on guard at all levels, regardless of party affiliation, things would not have gotten so dire. We need to act now, act firmly and drive a stake into the hearts of all that subscribe to the mantra of The United States of America as being anything less than free. Impeachment is the tool given us by the founders.
GPW
Amazing. Please revisit.
Dummies…it is too late for you. We have satellite video of all your movement. We have control of all media. We have control of the food chain and the water supply. We have acesess to your assets, bank accounts. Wean shut off your oxygen. You are free to live with soma (alcohol, sex drugs) and power ball. You must consume. It is our justice system. You have none unless you cooperaste with Big Brother. You have enslaved yourselves with your greed. Yes their will always be rebels., but we have the military power. I repeat your are all so screwed! yes there are still hotspots like Ireland, Scotland and Arabia. But THE NEW WORLD ORDER has your number. Hal will be taking over shortly. Don’t fight us. Give it up. Stick a fork in yourself you are done. ( To Righteuos Brothers tune Gone Gone Gone..yes you have lost that lovin feelin now you are gone, gone, gone echoning into the Sound of Silence..Hello Darkness.. Goodbye pain I have come to see you once again. So So screwed.
It seems to me that “traditional” safeguards — such as the unwritten rule that US Attys are not removed during the tenure of an administration — are not enough to prevent this kind of corruption. The principle of DOJ independence from the White House needs to be written into law, or into the Constitution.
Maybe the DOJ needs to report to the legislature instead of to the President. I don’t know, but if there is no law against influence, there will eventually be no wall between DOJ and the White House. Isn’t that pretty obvious once you think about it?