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TRex & lolo!
Eveng, folks.

Evening!

How is everyone?

Not ZED!

Trex, How are you this fine Sunday evening?

What kind of fuckery is this?!! High Broderism!

Evening TRex, I hope you had a lovely time at church. How did things work out with the head usher?

Way OT, but may give some a small smile.

The selections and bracket for the NCAA men’s lacrosse tournament were announced tonight.

Duke is the top seed.

Something that will feel like a little bit of vindication is four wins away.

lolo @ 7

Evening TRex, I hope you had a lovely time at church. How did things work out with the head usher?

“Head” usher???

Maybe Broder will take a two-month vacation, and the Iraqi Parliament can pass a fucking oil-revenue-sharing law instead.

OT, but…I just came across this journalist’s description of the format for the French presidential debates:

The two candidates were seated across a table from each other, in a television studio with two journalists seated between them. The cameras and camera operators were screened off to avoid any “red light” distractions. There was no time limit to the candidate’s answers, simply a clock visible onscreen tabulating each candidate’s total speaking time. If at any time one candidate’s total time exceeded the other’s by more than three or four minutes, the moderators steered the floor to the other until he or she had equalized. It continued for two and a half hours, that is, half an hour longer than expected.

The result was a debate in which the candidates were forced to string together real thoughts, which could in turn be freely challenged by the other. Like debates in the States, the actual usefulness was not so much in convincing anyone on the particulars of either program as in demonstrating the personalities of the two candidates. The difference being that the format here was more likely to give rise to unscripted responses and spontaneous exchanges between the two candidates.

All of which is to say that while style matters, there is no way someone unable to form a coherent sentence, much less develop a sophisticated argument (ie. George W. Bush), could ever be taken seriously as a candidate.

“String together real thoughts…” Me, jealous of France? You bet.

Here’s Judah Gronstein’s website; he writes for The American Prospect, among other publications.

What kind of fuckery is this?!?!

lolo @ 7

Evening TRex, I hope you had a lovely time at church. How did things work out with the head usher?

Splendidly.

TeddySanFran @ 10

Maybe Broder will take a two-month vacation, and the Iraqi Parliament can pass a fucking oil-revenue-sharing law instead.

Can we please make that a permanent vacation? The man has been out to lunch since Reagan took office.

Personally, I think an editor screwed up. That first sentence of today’s piece should have said “Washington opinion and public reality.”

And if I can’t blame an editor, then there’s always Clinton.

Fuckery isn’t confined to the Federal level.

Here in OC, our Board of Supervisors has effectively turned over control of our park system to … [wait for it] a multi-gazillionaire real estate developer.

http://www.ocregister.com/ocre…..677037.php

Arrrrggghhhh.

Evening, TRex. Going back up to read now. Hope your Sunday morning was pleasurable at the new church.

God Almighty, Broder is a FOOL! Just Like George.

Well, Broder has hitched his wagon to George’s mule, let them go down the bitter road of infamy together. Screw them both.

OMG, Broder has his foolishness pointed out to him multiple times, with a flashlight, and explained in detail, and he still refuses to see the truth.

What’s that quote about a man will never understand something if his paycheck demands that he doesn’t?

He needs to retire to Sag Harbor with Judy Miller and STFU.

Suzanne @ 17

Evening, TRex. Going back up to read now. Hope your Sunday morning was pleasurable at the new church.

Was he praying for guidance?

So, reality is in Washington, and the rest of us just watch in awe. Dean Broder, didn’t we in the rest of the country send people to Washingon to create the reality we want?

Dean, you are 77 years old. Please stay home.

Am I the only one who can’t helping thinking of a giant talking dildo whenever that posture-erect gasbag starts spewing on the talk shows?

Just curious

Seems there is a Bruce Cockburn song for every occasion.

In honor of Broder, I am currently listening to “People See Through You.”

Nate @ 22

Am I the only one who can’t helping thinking of a giant talking dildo whenever that posture-erect gasbag starts spewing on the talk shows?

Just curious

Actually, a dildo had never occurred to me. My impression was rather of the living dead (and I do not mean that in a good way).

Part of the answer lies in the Constitution. It makes the president commander in chief of the armed forces, the only elected official whose orders every general and every private must obey.

It also makes him responsible for assuring that the legal obligation of habeas corpus must be observed, and that international treaties signed and ratified must be followed.

Ever heard of Geneva, Mr. Broder? I understand it’s a quaint little relic of the past, but I could be mistaken.

My God what a nit-wit.

DrDick @ 24

Actually, a dildo had never occurred to me. My impression was rather of the living dead (and I do not mean that in a good way).

I’m intrigued by the implication that there
is a good way to be one of the living dead.

Peterr @ 25

Part of the answer lies in the Constitution. It makes the president commander in chief of the armed forces, the only elected official whose orders every general and every private must obey.

It also makes him responsible for assuring that the legal obligation of habeas corpus must be observed, and that international treaties signed and ratified must be followed.

Ever heard of Geneva, Mr. Broder? I understand it’s a quaint little relic of the past, but I could be mistaken.

Seems to be forgetting that the power to declare war (or peace) and the right and obligation to fund such enterprises, as well as establishing such regulations as may be necessary and appropriate are vested soley in the Congress. Supreme Asshat.

The more that I hear, the harder I find it to even be able to comprehend the mindset of some of the opinion makers and policy setters, as well as the small segment of my fellow citizens who still believe this crap.

I feel like I’m in the middle of a Monty Python sketch, “My brain hurts”.

EvilDrPuma @ 27

DrDick @ 24

Actually, a dildo had never occurred to me. My impression was rather of the living dead (and I do not mean that in a good way).

I’m intrigued by the implication that there
is a good way to be one of the living dead.

I just showed the film Zulu Zion to my into class last week and they refer to the ancestors as “the living dead”. Must have stuck in my mind.

It is not just Broder that is the living dead. Look at Laura-bot, Novak, Death Cheney, and the rest of the rethugs.

They all have that living dead look about them.

Thank you TRex. Thank you. The destruction of Mr. Broder’s reputation is not only fun to watch, it is incredibly important in ending this stupid ass war. . . god I just can’t help but wonder how many lives could have been saved with blogs in 1967. The opinion shifting work you are doing here is the sort of thing we had to go out into the street to do way back then — this is so much more effective and far less scarey. (Those cops on horses didn’t like our stinking hippie asses one bit.)

EvilDrPuma @ 12

What kind of fuckery is this?!?!

What kind? – the BESTEST TRex in weeks:

Mr. Broder, let’s pretend that you and I and President Bush have all come down the stairs into your basement and found that it’s knee deep in kerosene.

“Gosh, Mr. Broder,” I say, “This looks pretty bad. We need to figure out how we’re going to get this stuff out of here. Maybe we should call the fire department or a waste disposal team.”

President Bush pulls a box of ‘Strike Anywhere’ matches out of his suit pocket and says, “I got a idear! This’ll take care of it REAL quick!”

And I say, “No! Cut that out! What are you, insane?”

You, Mr. Broder, are saying, “Well, at least the President HAS a plan!

LMFAO! BTW – lolo is relentless.

I’m intrigued by the implication that there
is a good way to be one of the living dead.

One could be a member of Bauhaus, for example.

Suzanne @ 31

It is not just Broder that is the living dead. Look at Laura-bot, Novak, Death Cheney, and the rest of the rethugs.

They all have that living dead look about them.

Yes, but St. Rudy takes the prize, as the man is an absolute double for Nosferatu.

I think Dean Broder should be downgraded to Junior Soprano of the Washington Crime Family Empire.

-GSD

TRex @ 34

I’m intrigued by the implication that there
is a good way to be one of the living dead.

One could be a member of Bauhaus, for example.

He said a good way.

DrDick @ 35

Suzanne @ 31

It is not just Broder that is the living dead. Look at Laura-bot, Novak, Death Cheney, and the rest of the rethugs.

They all have that living dead look about them.

Yes, but St. Rudy takes the prize, as the man is an absolute double for Nosferatu.

Ghouliani.

TRex, this is a wonderful column. It’s all chewy chocolatey goodness, but this is a real gem:

You, Mr. Broder, are saying, “Well, at least the President HAS a plan!”

Yes, but that doesn’t make it the right plan. Or even a particularly good plan. In fact, it’s just about the worst plan he could have come up with under the circumstances.

And the image of Bush about to light the match while knee-deep in kerosene is only off by the fact that neither HE nor any of “his” are in the kerosene-filled cellar that is Iraq.

On the bright side, though, WATB Jim Brady promises the new WaPoO commenting software to be installed next week will allow the unwashed masses the use of high-level punctuation like – and “ and ‘ and ) and even %

This via Deb, whose turd is a real floater today.

Victory in Iraq is always just three months away. Reminds me of a rabbit chasing a carrot that dangles in front of him, held by a pole that is attached to the rabbit. All the rabbit knows how to do is run faster – all the carrot does is recede equally quick. You hope the rabbits lungs would give out so the spectacle comes to an end – I hope September is when the Bush-rabbits lungs give out.

TeddySanFran @ 40

On the bright side, though, WATB John Harris promises the new WaPoO commenting software to be installed next week will allow the unwashed masses the use of high-level punctuation like – and “ and ‘ and ) and even %

This via Deb, whose turd is a real floater today.

Yes, but we must all remember that it really does not stink.

Just having some fun with The Brick Testament (the bible stories done with Legos). Click.

TeddySanFran @ 40

On the bright side, though, WATB Jim Brady promises the new WaPoO commenting software to be installed next week will allow the unwashed masses the use of high-level punctuation like – and “ and ‘ and ) and even %

This via Deb, whose turd is a real floater today.

So whiny, Little Debbie today. Deserves an entire diary devoted to it.

At 28% a new moniker for the preznit:

The Limbo Leader: how low can he go.

Picking on a pathetic senile old fool? He can’t help it any more than clusterBuSh can … Attack those that give him air/press time.

OT – EDP:

I just caught some of the exchange downstairs . . .

As one who has dealt with family dynamics in reporting abuse, I know you’ve got one helluva mess on your hands. In addition to worrying about and helping out your niece/nephew, find yourself some local, face-to-face support for your own sanity. The abuse may have happened to him/her, but the ripples affect the whole family.

But you nailed it in one of your comments: “I say protect and encourage the victim, and that is all I say.”

Amen. The victim comes first.

Peace be with you, and with your family.

Victory in Iraq: “Jam yesterday and jam tomorrow, but never jam today”

Mauimom — nope, and you can’t make me! Deb’s just not worth the agony. It was over seventy degrees here today; there was too much scenery in the Castro for me to stay at my computer and write up Deb’s drivel. She’s just not worth giving the traffic to. Imagine writing an entire column about the WaPoO comments — and only including reader complaints about the commenters! The woman is entirely deluded.

I’ll stop now.

I bet Mr. Broder is just an old softy.

Pectopah @ 44

At 28% a new moniker for the preznit:

The Limbo Leader: how low can he go.

Lower than his Daddy, that’s how low! OldBar must be sooooo proud of her first-spawned.

the Dean prepares to sally forth on another Sunday Morning

‘zup Late Niters !

Peterr @ 47

OT – EDP:

I just caught some of the exchange downstairs . . .

As one who has dealt with family dynamics in reporting abuse, I know you’ve got one helluva mess on your hands. In addition to worrying about and helping out your niece/nephew, find yourself some local, face-to-face support for your own sanity. The abuse may have happened to him/her, but the ripples affect the whole family.

But you nailed it in one of your comments: “I say protect and encourage the victim, and that is all I say.”

Amen. The victim comes first.

Peace be with you, and with your family.

Thank you. GoodMrsPuma is a survivor herself, and she will be going for some therapeutic help. As for me, I haven’t quite decided what to do for myself.

Mary McCurnin @ 50

I bet Mr. Broder is just an old softy.

For an arrogant old bastard he probably is.

“It is a high-risk policy with no guarantee of success…”

Don’t they still have proof-readers? Does anybody at the WaPo read his drivel before publication? Do editors still exist at the WaPo? Do they edit anything? If it had a fucking GUARANTEE of SUCCESS it wouldn’t be very fucking HIGH-RISK would it? As John Wilkes Booth said, “useless, useless”.

Mary McCurnin @ 50

I bet Mr. Broder is just an old softy.

Soft in the head.

Pectopah @ 45

At 28% a new moniker for the preznit:

The Limbo Leader: how low can he go.

I remember people saying that when he stayed below 35 percent. If he wants his rates to go up from where he is, he needs to hire a submarine to find him and give him a lift back to the Titanic.

TRex, you’re my hero. Oh, and I had red jello today. *grin

Is it? No, it couldn’t be, but still I think Dave Broder is definitely predicting a Friedman Bounce for Dear Leader! So, you see, all we have to do is wait one F.U. (plus a little bit more time for the less informed public to catch on), and we will see this huge Bounce! But don’t get your expectations too high. That is, this Friedman Bounce will be huge only in a relative sense, because bounces don’t go very high in Friedman World, where things are all pretty much level, so even the high things (like CEO salaries) aren’t really that high.

…and then Laura and her TV can stop their horrible sacrificing. And I’ll rest so much easier knowing that.

Thank you, Dave. Good night, and Good Luck (I think you’re going to need it, if you want everyone to realize how wise and prescient you are).

Meanwhile one of the major commanders is predicting an increase in US troop deaths for the next 60 to 90 days.

Amazing how predictable these people have become.

-GSD

Good evening all.

TRex -

Your point about his lede was very akin to what I gave him for feedback. COurse that was only about 5-6 hrs ago. He’d have to wade thru a few other choice comments to see it. But, every pebble counts.

Plus, I added something like what Peterr alluded to early in comments.

Finally, I advised he return to his Midwest centrist roots, like maybe a working-class bar in Flint MI around 5 pm on a Friday. And then write something.

Peterr @ 47

OT – EDP:

I just caught some of the exchange downstairs . . .

As one who has dealt with family dynamics in reporting abuse, I know you’ve got one helluva mess on your hands. In addition to worrying about and helping out your niece/nephew, find yourself some local, face-to-face support for your own sanity. The abuse may have happened to him/her, but the ripples affect the whole family.

But you nailed it in one of your comments: “I say protect and encourage the victim, and that is all I say.”

Amen. The victim comes first.

Peace be with you, and with your family.

Just went down and checked out a little of that. I concur completely. My first wife was sexually and physically and sexually abused as a child and it scarred her for life. The lack of support and denial did as much damage as anything she had gone through. I have also known others with similar experiences, who had much better outcomes owing to support from those around them. But, Peterr is absolutely right that this is going to impact you and your family in profound ways and you need to take pre-emptive action.

Evenin’ Aunt Betsy!

EDP check your mail. :)

From the chat:

New York: What is one single instance of incompetence on the part of Harry Reid that is of comparable magnitude to Alberto Gonzalez’s mismanagement of the Department of Justice?

David S. Broder: Senator Reid is not managing a large bureaucracy, as is the Attorney General. . . .

It’s hard work, bein’ AGAG. All that decidering and legal strategerizing, and serving at the pleasure of the president and all.

Texas Betsy @ 61

Good evening all.

Evening, Ms Betsy. Always a delight.

Are we there yet!!????

DrDick @ 67

Texas Betsy @ 61

Good evening all.

Evening, Ms Betsy. Always a delight.

A pleasure sir!

Texas Betsy @ 61

Good evening all.

Hi. Thanks for the email…I’m going to take a little time to digest it, but I’m sorry anybody has to go through anything like this.

Broder is a jackass. He needs a woman to discipline him.

‘Evening, Aunt Betsy!

LS @ 68

Are we there yet!!????

Where???

Ed*ard Teller @ 57

Pectopah @ 45

At 28% a new moniker for the preznit:

The Limbo Leader: how low can he go.

I remember people saying that when he stayed below 35 percent. If he wants his rates to go up from where he is, he needs to hire a submarine to find him and give him a lift back to the Titanic.

I can’t wait for his approval rating to reach a Mitchell Majority: 18%

Apparently managing a bureaucracy in a way that Dean Broder doesn’t like is considered mismanaging.

-GSD

John Chylek @ 71

Broder is a jackass. He needs a woman to discipline him.

Is Suzanne available?

[whispering] please, please, someone tell me what the mccain “red jello” thing is all about…..? I didn’t (couldn’t!) watch the debate.

Oh my. Bar-B-Q Brody. Delicious!

…actually, it should probably be called the Broder-Friedman Bounce…

Pectopah, when do you think shrub’s rating will be in the teens? By the dog days of August? July?

Texas Betsy @ 76

John Chylek @ 71

Broder is a jackass. He needs a woman to discipline him.

Is Suzanne available?

LOL!

HillCountryGal @ 78

Oh my. Bar-B-Q Brody. Delicious!

Naw. Tough, stringy, and insipid.

EvilDrPuma @ 53

Thank you. GoodMrsPuma is a survivor herself, and she will be going for some therapeutic help. As for me, I haven’t quite decided what to do for myself.

Good for her in seeing how this episode may affect her, given her history. Whatever you decide, realize that you can’t be a good ally to your niece/nephew if you’re not taking care of yourself.

Peterr @ 83

EvilDrPuma @ 53

Thank you. GoodMrsPuma is a survivor herself, and she will be going for some therapeutic help. As for me, I haven’t quite decided what to do for myself.

Good for her in seeing how this episode may affect her, given her history. Whatever you decide, realize that you can’t be a good ally to your niece/nephew if you’re not taking care of yourself.

I agree completely.

EDP: You and yours have my greatest sympathy. As a sexual abuse survivor who has had to work to pick up and put back together the pieces of her children, mentally and physically abused by their father after our divorce, I know how this goes far too well.

LS @ 68

Are we there yet!!????

Five more miles. Now sit down, and quit poking your sister.

Don’t make me pull over . . .

Pectopah @ 45

At 28% a new moniker for the preznit:

The Limbo Leader: how low can he go.

Jack be nimble, jack be quick,
Jack jump over the candlestick…

GSD @ 60

Meanwhile one of the major commanders is predicting an increase in US troop deaths for the next 60 to 90 days.

Amazing how predictable these people have become.

-GSD

Well, the U.S.killed/day is now just about an even 3 since the surge was announced – Jan. 10. I’m told it was around 2.5 for the first few years up till now.

http://icasualties.org/oif/

I would expect it to move higher thru the summer.

Peterr @ 83

EvilDrPuma @ 53

Thank you. GoodMrsPuma is a survivor herself, and she will be going for some therapeutic help. As for me, I haven’t quite decided what to do for myself.

Good for her in seeing how this episode may affect her, given her history. Whatever you decide, realize that you can’t be a good ally to your niece/nephew if you’re not taking care of yourself.

Definitely. While I do not have Peterr’s professional credentials on this, I have known way too many survivors and seen way too much abuse (stay away from Okies and Indians if you are faint of heart).

Broder Bounces…Friedman Units…Now with the Necrotizing Cheneyitis.

No wonder the Justice Department is dying in front of our very eyes. It has been infected with Necrotizing Cheneyitis.

“After the 2000 election, Kyle Sampson “drew on a friendship he had built in law school with Elizabeth Cheney, the daughter of the vice president, to land a job making personnel decisions in the early days of the Bush administration.”

-GSD

DreamingCrow @ 85

EDP: You and yours have my greatest sympathy. As a sexual abuse survivor who has had to work to pick up and put back together the pieces of her children, mentally and physically abused by their father after our divorce, I know how this goes far too well.

Amazing how many survivors of different kinds of abuse we have in this room. And how many of us use that to find empathy with victims of other kinds in the world around us.

DrDick @ 63

Just went down and checked out a little of that. I concur completely. My first wife was sexually and physically and sexually abused as a child and it scarred her for life. The lack of support and denial did as much damage as anything she had gone through. I have also known others with similar experiences, who had much better outcomes owing to support from those around them. But, Peterr is absolutely right that this is going to impact you and your family in profound ways and you need to take pre-emptive action.

In a way, we have: we’ve made it absolutely clear to the mother and victim that we are on their side, period, end quote. And since GoodMrsPuma is spending her life picking up the pieces from her past abuse, I’m not a complete stranger to the ins and outs of it. But this is like an open sore for her, and I’m pretty damned mad myself. I lost most of my respect for my parents-in-law when I learned that they protected her abuser for the sake of their so-called reputations, and I’ve tried to keep my trap shut for the sake of good relations. But it looks like they may be doing it again, and if so, I say to hell with relations. It’s looking like GoodMrsPuma is thinking the same thing, which is my best clue to how serious this is for her.

It has been infected with Necrotzing nepotizing Cheneyitis.

The bottom line is that if Bush didn’t foster the biggest mercenary company right here on American soil named Blackwater, we would never have gone into Iraq. He wouldn’t have had enough people. He would have had to institute a draft and you know what a draft would have done? A draft would have gotten the attention of the American people and of course he didn’t want that.

Perhaps Mr. Broder would care to accompany my boy when he returns to Iraq in November(trip#3 for him) and see for himself how spiffing well things are going over there before hefting that load of Koolaid for Bush again?

*sound of ticking clock*

I thought not.

Broder is an utterly reprehensible twit. It’s easy for him to sit on his rapidly spreading butt and virtuously opine about his love for all things Bush while kids like mine are the ones paying for that fool’s decisions.

Oh, TRex . . . a sign of sanity from his Deanship:

Russell, Kan.: How does an intelligent person even come to the conclusion they could vote for a person that doesn’t believe in science? I know there may be different ways of looking at things like evolution out there, but cold hard facts seem to elude some of these candidates. Do you think this will hurt them?

David S. Broder: Yes. I doubt that most Americans want to use the coming election to test the theory of evolution.

He might be right about most Americans, but before it gets to that point, “most republicans” have to agree on a candidate. I am still trying to sift through the debate transcript, to sort out the code language being spoken to the TheoCon wing of the party.

Peterr @ 83

EvilDrPuma @ 53

Thank you. GoodMrsPuma is a survivor herself, and she will be going for some therapeutic help. As for me, I haven’t quite decided what to do for myself.

Good for her in seeing how this episode may affect her, given her history. Whatever you decide, realize that you can’t be a good ally to your niece/nephew if you’re not taking care of yourself.

I know. I just haven’t decided what exactly I need at the present moment.

Suzanne @ 80

Pectopah, when do you think shrub’s rating will be in the teens? By the dog days of August? July?

If gas stays above $3 a gallon, and the unemployment rate ticks up, add a few natural disasters, and Iraqi really starting to slide, with another emergency funding request, and shrub deciding to go on a long vacation, then yes, you could have the teens by August.

But Andrea Mitchell would still describe that as a Majority of Americans supporting the Limbo Leader.

I go walk the cutest dog in the world and come back to discover ya’ll want me to do what with him?

Ewww… I’ll be back after I apply a liberal solution of brain bleach.

Meanwhile in a military dictatorship called Pakistan.

“Nations and states which are based on dictatorship instead of the supremacy of the constitution, the rule of law and protection of basic rights get destroyed,” Chaudhry said.

Our Dear Friend, Pervy.

-GSD

conniptionfit @ 73

LS @ 68

Are we there yet!!????

Where???

in David Broder’s basement with a foot of kerosene on the floor and W is flicking his bic.

EvilDrPuma @ 92

DrDick @ 63

Just went down and checked out a little of that. I concur completely. My first wife was sexually and physically and sexually abused as a child and it scarred her for life. The lack of support and denial did as much damage as anything she had gone through. I have also known others with similar experiences, who had much better outcomes owing to support from those around them. But, Peterr is absolutely right that this is going to impact you and your family in profound ways and you need to take pre-emptive action.

In a way, we have: we’ve made it absolutely clear to the mother and victim that we are on their side, period, end quote. And since GoodMrsPuma is spending her life picking up the pieces from her past abuse, I’m not a complete stranger to the ins and outs of it. But this is like an open sore for her, and I’m pretty damned mad myself. I lost most of my respect for my parents-in-law when I learned that they protected her abuser for the sake of their so-called reputations, and I’ve tried to keep my trap shut for the sake of good relations. But it looks like they may be doing it again, and if so, I say to hell with relations. It’s looking like GoodMrsPuma is thinking the same thing, which is my best clue to how serious this is for her.

My sympathy. I also have seen this kind of ugly dynamic at work. Denial of the sort you describe is the great enabler. You are doing the right thing, but as Peterr says, you need to take care of yourself. This kind of situation brings out some of our worst inclinations.

Suzanne @ 99

I go walk the cutest dog in the world and come back to discover ya’ll want me to do what with him?

Ewww… I’ll be back after I apply a liberal solution of brain bleach.

Heh. She said “liberal solution.”

GSD @ 90

Broder Bounces…Friedman Units…Now with the Necrotizing Cheneyitis.

No wonder the Justice Department is dying in front of our very eyes. It has been infected with Necrotizing Cheneyitis.

“After the 2000 election, Kyle Sampson “drew on a friendship he had built in law school with Elizabeth Cheney, the daughter of the vice president, to land a job making personnel decisions in the early days of the Bush administration.”

-GSD

?link

Mommybrain @ 93

It has been infected with Necrotzing nepotizing Cheneyitis.

Nice touch.

-GSD

bats and monkeys??!! what a mental picture!

EDP, as a child I told my grandmother that my uncle was sexually abusing me. She slapped my face and called me a liar.

As a young adult I learned that every “adult” had known that he was a pedophile, and NOT ONE OF THEM did anything to protect any of the children. I was only one of his many victims.

They didn’t protect us because they were embarrassed and ashamed, so they sacrificed us to the monster rather than publicly reveal what he was.

As a result, at 63 years old, I don’t trust anybody. Not anybody.

What a difference it would have made to my life, to my cousins, to my brothers and sister if just one person had protected us.

ET,

I saw your reply to my question on Native Alaskan in the last thread. Very interesting on who is married to who.

burnspbesq @ 15

Fuckery isn’t confined to the Federal level.

Here in OC, our Board of Supervisors has effectively turned over control of our park system to … [wait for it] a multi-gazillionaire real estate developer.

http://www.ocregister.com/ocre…..677037.php

Arrrrggghhhh.

Hey I am from OC too!
I am so upset to see this. I refuse to read the rightwing OCRegister. OMG The Irvine Company will do such harm to all the parks, beaches and historical land. I am so sad. : (

SusanD @ 107

EDP, as a child I told my grandmother that my uncle was sexually abusing me. She slapped my face and called me a liar.

As a young adult I learned that every “adult” had known that he was a pedophile, and NOT ONE OF THEM did anything to protect any of the children. I was only one of his many victims.

They didn’t protect us because they were embarrassed and ashamed, so they sacrificed us to the monster rather than publicly reveal what he was.

As a result, at 63 years old, I don’t trust anybody. Not anybody.

What a difference it would have made to my life, to my cousins, to my brothers and sister if just one person had protected us.

Suzanne I am so sorry. And I understand. Deeply.

Texas Betsy @ 91

Amazing how many survivors of different kinds of abuse we have in this room. And how many of us use that to find empathy with victims of other kinds in the world around us.

Oh dear! That says so much about this place. So true, TB, so true.

I hate this goddam fucking war!!

DrDick @ 102

My sympathy. I also have seen this kind of ugly dynamic at work. Denial of the sort you describe is the great enabler. You are doing the right thing, but as Peterr says, you need to take care of yourself. This kind of situation brings out some of our worst inclinations.

I’m seeing tonight, while posting, that I’ve already started down my typical path of bottling up the anger so it explodes later. Talking about it is proving therapeutic, and I’m unloading some of the tension, but I’m going to have to find other ways to cope with this on an ongoing basis. I don’t think I know yet just how angry and outraged I really am.

TB, that was SusanD, not me.

Okay…fund until September…it should be obvious that we are winning by then. Not a single doubt in the world!

And no sane Democrat would dare vote against another three month allocation…because Broder says that the victory will be so obvious! The surge will have defeated Al Qaida, suppressed those pesky militias, and allowed the stabilized Iraqi government to do things on their own….

And hey! We can withdraw!

Mr. Broder…isn’t that limited three month supplemental so brilliant! It gives Bush just the amount of time to prove the nay-sayers wrong!
And even better, schedules/benchmarks…who needs them…coz the Iraqi government will surpass all of those (just like they have always done!).

And BTW…why not have the corporations that are getting all the contracts in Iraq and the firms receiving military contracts help out by funding the war for that supplemental. I’m sure they wouldn’t mind making that little sacrifice. Oh, and the oil companies…after all Bush has said he did this so that they could have unfettered access to the vital resources of Iraq that Saddam “threatened”.

See, Mr. Broder…it’s wonderful this three month restriction! Just enough time for Emperor George to show the brilliance of his surge!

EvilDrPuma @ 92

In a way, we have: we’ve made it absolutely clear to the mother and victim that we are on their side, period, end quote. And since GoodMrsPuma is spending her life picking up the pieces from her past abuse, I’m not a complete stranger to the ins and outs of it. But this is like an open sore for her, and I’m pretty damned mad myself. I lost most of my respect for my parents-in-law when I learned that they protected her abuser for the sake of their so-called reputations, and I’ve tried to keep my trap shut for the sake of good relations. But it looks like they may be doing it again, and if so, I say to hell with relations. It’s looking like GoodMrsPuma is thinking the same thing, which is my best clue to how serious this is for her.

One approach that may — may — help with the parents-in-law might be to say that regardless of whether the allegations are true or not, the fact that they were made indicates that there are some very serious problems in the family that need some outside, professional help to sort out. If the allegations are true, then steps must be taken to protect the child; if they are not, then SOMETHING must have led to child to make the allegations. Either way, the family needs help.

Note that I’m suggesting this as a strategy to get the in-laws to wake up and smell the coffee. In no way am I disagreeing with your assement of the situation. Good luck with the in-laws.

SusanD @ 107

EDP, as a child I told my grandmother that my uncle was sexually abusing me. She slapped my face and called me a liar.

As a young adult I learned that every “adult” had known that he was a pedophile, and NOT ONE OF THEM did anything to protect any of the children. I was only one of his many victims.

They didn’t protect us because they were embarrassed and ashamed, so they sacrificed us to the monster rather than publicly reveal what he was.

As a result, at 63 years old, I don’t trust anybody. Not anybody.

What a difference it would have made to my life, to my cousins, to my brothers and sister if just one person had protected us.

May you ultimately find peace in your life. You have already suffered more than anyone should.

Good nite, everyone. EDP, to you and Ms, all of my sympathy and moral support, and the best of all tomorrows to all of you.

links, via Dogpile.com:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Sampson
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/n…..nfacts.htm

Ghouliani! TRex, you are TOO clever!

Suzanne @ 99

I go walk the cutest dog in the world and come back to discover ya’ll want me to do what with him?

Ewww… I’ll be back after I apply a liberal solution of brain bleach.

LOL

Suzanne @ 113

TB, that was SusanD, not me.

Sorry for the confusion.

oddmommy @ 77

[whispering] please, please, someone tell me what the mccain “red jello” thing is all about…..? I didn’t (couldn’t!) watch the debate.

He’s just old and it’s showing. WaterTiger made reference today: Face the Snark – Commander Guy Edition

WaPoO chatz tomorrow; questions accepted anytime!

Lois Romano at 11 eastern

Howie Kurtz at noon eastern

via Dogpile.com:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Sampson
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/n…..nfacts.htm

…barf bag recommended if you go there.

DrDick @ 117

SusanD @ 107

EDP, as a child I told my grandmother that my uncle was sexually abusing me. She slapped my face and called me a liar.

As a young adult I learned that every “adult” had known that he was a pedophile, and NOT ONE OF THEM did anything to protect any of the children. I was only one of his many victims.

They didn’t protect us because they were embarrassed and ashamed, so they sacrificed us to the monster rather than publicly reveal what he was.

As a result, at 63 years old, I don’t trust anybody. Not anybody.

What a difference it would have made to my life, to my cousins, to my brothers and sister if just one person had protected us.

May you ultimately find peace in your life. You have already suffered more than anyone should.

Amen —- and may that blessing go out to all who have suffered abuse.

EvilDrPuma @ 112

DrDick @ 102

My sympathy. I also have seen this kind of ugly dynamic at work. Denial of the sort you describe is the great enabler. You are doing the right thing, but as Peterr says, you need to take care of yourself. This kind of situation brings out some of our worst inclinations.

I’m seeing tonight, while posting, that I’ve already started down my typical path of bottling up the anger so it explodes later. Talking about it is proving therapeutic, and I’m unloading some of the tension, but I’m going to have to find other ways to cope with this on an ongoing basis. I don’t think I know yet just how angry and outraged I really am.

I know and understand. This is what Peterr and I are talking about. Faced with these kinds of horrors, we can too easily go off the tracks ourselves (yeah, been there, done that).

SusanD @ 107

EDP, as a child I told my grandmother that my uncle was sexually abusing me. She slapped my face and called me a liar.

As a young adult I learned that every “adult” had known that he was a pedophile, and NOT ONE OF THEM did anything to protect any of the children. I was only one of his many victims.

They didn’t protect us because they were embarrassed and ashamed, so they sacrificed us to the monster rather than publicly reveal what he was.

As a result, at 63 years old, I don’t trust anybody. Not anybody.

What a difference it would have made to my life, to my cousins, to my brothers and sister if just one person had protected us.

Susan, I’m sorrier than I have words to tell you. Your story sounds a lot like GoodMrsPuma’s, and everything about your experience just sucks. For your sake, too, I will do anything lawful that is in my power to protect this child. It’s no less than anybody deserves.

Texas Betsy @ 91

DreamingCrow @ 85

Amazing how many survivors of different kinds of abuse we have in this room. And how many of us use that to find empathy with victims of other kinds in the world around us.

Generally, in my experience, it goes two ways – either people become very empathetic and concerned about everyone’s situations, often getting involved in humanitarian causes, or they become emotionally callused and are unable to relate to others.

Nepotizing Cheneyitis….. Their roots infect them.

-GSD

RonD @ 116

Good nite, everyone. EDP, to you and Ms, all of my sympathy and moral support, and the best of all tomorrows to all of you.

Thanks, Ron. Peace with you, too.

kevoy11 @ 119

Ghouliani! TRex, you are TOO clever!

Hey, homey! Good to see in the mix again.

Ed*ard Teller @ 32

EvilDrPuma @ 12

What kind of fuckery is this?!?!

What kind? – the BESTEST TRex in weeks:

Mr. Broder, let’s pretend that you and I and President Bush have all come down the stairs into your basement and found that it’s knee deep in kerosene.

“Gosh, Mr. Broder,” I say, “This looks pretty bad. We need to figure out how we’re going to get this stuff out of here. Maybe we should call the fire department or a waste disposal team.”

President Bush pulls a box of ‘Strike Anywhere’ matches out of his suit pocket and says, “I got a idear! This’ll take care of it REAL quick!”

And I say, “No! Cut that out! What are you, insane?”

You, Mr. Broder, are saying, “Well, at least the President HAS a plan!

LMFAO! BTW – lolo is relentless.

Stalking teh zed.

SusanD @ 107

EDP, as a child I told my grandmother that my uncle was sexually abusing me. She slapped my face and called me a liar.

As a young adult I learned that every “adult” had known that he was a pedophile, and NOT ONE OF THEM did anything to protect any of the children. I was only one of his many victims.

They didn’t protect us because they were embarrassed and ashamed, so they sacrificed us to the monster rather than publicly reveal what he was.

As a result, at 63 years old, I don’t trust anybody. Not anybody.

What a difference it would have made to my life, to my cousins, to my brothers and sister if just one person had protected us.

Thanks for coming forth to say how important this is!

That post is the most searingly correct
dissembling of Broder I have read.
I love the way you string words together;
Firedoglake is on fire.

David

Suzanne @ 80

Pectopah, when do you think shrub’s rating will be in the teens? By the dog days of August? July?

Won’t ever happen.

20% is traipse-up-Pennsylvania-Ave time for Stevens, Warner, McConnell, and Lott — to tell the BoyKing and his Chancellor to board the helicopter in order to stop destroying the GOP brand.

Ed*ard Teller @ 111

I hate this goddam fucking war!!

I share your eloquent and succinct opinion.

lolo @ 109

burnspbesq @ 15

Fuckery isn’t confined to the Federal level.

Here in OC, our Board of Supervisors has effectively turned over control of our park system to … [wait for it] a multi-gazillionaire real estate developer.

http://www.ocregister.com/ocre…..677037.php

Arrrrggghhhh.

Hey I am from OC too!
I am so upset to see this. I refuse to read the rightwing OCRegister. OMG The Irvine Company will do such harm to all the parks, beaches and historical land. I am so sad. : (

Wouldn’t you love to get five minutes alone with Donald Bren? “Don, you’ve made your three billion dollars. You can stop now. You don’t need to sell any more ugly $2 million houses.”

EvilDrPuma @ 127

SusanD @ 107

EDP, as a child I told my grandmother that my uncle was sexually abusing me. She slapped my face and called me a liar.

As a young adult I learned that every “adult” had known that he was a pedophile, and NOT ONE OF THEM did anything to protect any of the children. I was only one of his many victims.

They didn’t protect us because they were embarrassed and ashamed, so they sacrificed us to the monster rather than publicly reveal what he was.

As a result, at 63 years old, I don’t trust anybody. Not anybody.

What a difference it would have made to my life, to my cousins, to my brothers and sister if just one person had protected us.

Susan, I’m sorrier than I have words to tell you. Your story sounds a lot like GoodMrsPuma’s, and everything about your experience just sucks. For your sake, too, I will do anything lawful that is in my power to protect this child. It’s no less than anybody deserves.

Amen. To you both.

David McGiffert @ 134

That post is the most searingly correct
dissembling of Broder I have read.
I love the way you string words together;
Firedoglake is on fire.

David

Why thank you, sir. Come by any time. There’s always something going on.

lolo @ 132

Ed*ard Teller @ 32

EvilDrPuma @ 12

What kind of fuckery is this?!?!

What kind? – the BESTEST TRex in weeks:

Mr. Broder, let’s pretend that you and I and President Bush have all come down the stairs into your basement and found that it’s knee deep in kerosene.

“Gosh, Mr. Broder,” I say, “This looks pretty bad. We need to figure out how we’re going to get this stuff out of here. Maybe we should call the fire department or a waste disposal team.”

President Bush pulls a box of ‘Strike Anywhere’ matches out of his suit pocket and says, “I got a idear! This’ll take care of it REAL quick!”

And I say, “No! Cut that out! What are you, insane?”

You, Mr. Broder, are saying, “Well, at least the President HAS a plan!

LMFAO! BTW – lolo is relentless.

Stalking teh zed.

lolo is the Ghost in the Machine. There is no escape for the poor zed.

GSD @ 90

Broder Bounces…Friedman Units…Now with the Necrotizing Cheneyitis.

No wonder the Justice Department is dying in front of our very eyes. It has been infected with Necrotizing Cheneyitis.

“After the 2000 election, Kyle Sampson “drew on a friendship he had built in law school with Elizabeth Cheney, the daughter of the vice president, to land a job making personnel decisions in the early days of the Bush administration.”

-GSD

I understand that wingnut critiques of anyone else are always full of projection, but there’s still one thing I find hard to understand — how could they possibly believe that accusing Joe Wilson of having been selected through nepotism would discredit him, when the administration is rife with it?

Or if they were trying to make him seem like some kind of “mama’s boy” by accusing him of being appointed by his wife, well, the administration is rife with that, too.

It’s just bizarre.

EDP, you handle this the way that is best for you. The way I dealt with the issue of my daughter’s molestation was very different from the way her father dealt with it. Yet, we both survived and helped our daughter survive and learn the skills she needs as a survivor.

It is a rough road but one that can be traveled.

Didn’t the US pick up where the French left off in Vietnam?

Now we have the specter of French support as Iraq unravels.

Sounds like a creepy portent to me.

-GSD

20% is traipse-up-Pennsylvania-Ave time for Stevens, Warner, McConnell, and Lott — to tell the BoyKing and his Chancellor to board the helicopter in order to stop destroying the GOP brand.

…should be pitchforks and torches time.

TRex @ 13

lolo @ 7

Evening TRex, I hope you had a lovely time at church. How did things work out with the head usher?

Splendidly.

That’s good to hear!

DreamingCrow @ 128

Texas Betsy @ 91

DreamingCrow @ 85

Amazing how many survivors of different kinds of abuse we have in this room. And how many of us use that to find empathy with victims of other kinds in the world around us.

Generally, in my experience, it goes two ways – either people become very empathetic and concerned about everyone’s situations, often getting involved in humanitarian causes, or they become emotionally callused and are unable to relate to others.

I have several brothers in the latter category. One is Cassie’s father.

Texas Betsy @ 91

Amazing how many survivors of different kinds of abuse we have in this room. And how many of us use that to find empathy with victims of other kinds in the world around us.

I suppose that includes me; my mother was abused, but thank God, she learned enough to protect her children. I wasn’t so lucky at school. I was bullied horribly, and I know it left deep, deep scars. I’m pretty sure that’s one reason why I’m as angry as I am–I have absolutely no tolerance and a great deal of sensitivity to this kind of bullshit, and I am
shaking inside right now.

Folks, consider this the don’t quote comments that have comments already quoted inside comment.

Also, please check to make sure there is not a link in the comment you wish to quote.

For those not familiar with the story, my 13 year-old has been fighting serious mental illness for the past two years, in many ways triggered by abuse issues and the trauma from them.

My mother was silent about my abuse and I always told my sons that I would never do that to them. I have no plans to start doing so any time soon.

I understand that wingnut critiques of anyone else are always full of projection, but there’s still one thing I find hard to understand — how could they possibly believe that accusing Joe Wilson of having been selected through nepotism would discredit him, when the administration is rife with it?

Or if they were trying to make him seem like some kind of “mama’s boy” by accusing him of being appointed by his wife, well, the administration is rife with that, too.

It’s just bizarre.

…just like:

Rove accusing Senators of politicization,
Rove accusing voters of election fraud, etc, etc, ad nauseum (in more than one sense)…

DreamingCrow @ 149

For those not familiar with the story, my 13 year-old has been fighting serious mental illness for the past two years, in many ways triggered by abuse issues and the trauma from them.

My mother was silent about my abuse and I always told my sons that I would never do that to them. I have no plans to start doing so any time soon.

I fear for the trauma of the investigation and prosecution of these crimes, but I fear silence more.

EvilDrPuma @ 147

Texas Betsy @ 91

Amazing how many survivors of different kinds of abuse we have in this room. And how many of us use that to find empathy with victims of other kinds in the world around us.

I suppose that includes me; my mother was abused, but thank God, she learned enough to protect her children. I wasn’t so lucky at school. I was bullied horribly, and I know it left deep, deep scars. I’m pretty sure that’s one reason why I’m as angry as I am–I have absolutely no tolerance and a great deal of sensitivity to this kind of bullshit, and I am
shaking inside right now.

Yeah, that make, I suspect, way more that two of us. The bullying led me to a wide variety of self destructive behaviors, as well as to a deep and destructive rage. Fortunately, that is all behind me now. It took me many years (and some professional help) to get straight from it.

I know that shaking, EDP, and the rage it produces only made me shake inside more.

EvilDrPuma @ 147

Texas Betsy @ 91

Amazing how many survivors of different kinds of abuse we have in this room. And how many of us use that to find empathy with victims of other kinds in the world around us.

I suppose that includes me; my mother was abused, but thank God, she learned enough to protect her children. I wasn’t so lucky at school. I was bullied horribly, and I know it left deep, deep scars. I’m pretty sure that’s one reason why I’m as angry as I am–I have absolutely no tolerance and a great deal of sensitivity to this kind of bullshit, and I am
shaking inside right now.

I know how I felt when I found out about Cass and her brother, and how i felt that I had not been more involved in their lives BEFORE things got so bad for them at home. ALL 4 of us in my house have needed counseling of one sort or another. And 3 of us continue to.

I wonder if Bush’s “daddy issues” will be soothed by the fact that more people now dislike him than disliked daddy. He finally beat daddy at something.

klevenstein @ 118

links, via Dogpile.com:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Sampson
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/n…..nfacts.htm

thanks for those!

Suzanne @ 148

Folks, consider this the don’t quote comments that have comments already quoted inside comment.

Also, please check to make sure there is not a link in the comment you wish to quote.

Okay Suzanne, I got the message. *g*
Hi All. TRex is his usual feisty self, slashing his latest victim with sharpened teeth. I hope Broder doesn’t give you indigestion, TRex.

DreamingCrow @ 149

For those not familiar with the story, my 13 year-old has been fighting serious mental illness for the past two years, in many ways triggered by abuse issues and the trauma from them.

My mother was silent about my abuse and I always told my sons that I would never do that to them. I have no plans to start doing so any time soon.

I remember the story, although I don’t remember you mentioning abuse in connection. I’m sorry. I have always believed that abuse was a major factor in the development of GoodMrsPuma’s illness, but neither can keep me from standing by her now.

The AIDS activists had it right: Silence = Death.

We could be talking about AIDS or SIDS or PTSD. We could be talking about Iraq or Darfur or Tibet. We could be talking about Imus or Limbaugh or wanna-be Debbie Schlussel. Or we could be talking about child abuse.

Silence = Death.

Let’s hear it for not holding it in, not settling for silence, and not holding back.

EvilDrPuma @ 151

I fear for the trauma of the investigation and prosecution of these crimes, but I fear silence more.

It’s a scary place to be. The boys and I are finally in a place where we can deal with something outside of J’s illness, so it’s time to invite a Guardian ad Litem into our home and lives to get some decisions made about the ex. Whee.

EvilDrPuma @ 151

DreamingCrow @ 149

For those not familiar with the story, my 13 year-old has been fighting serious mental illness for the past two years, in many ways triggered by abuse issues and the trauma from them.

My mother was silent about my abuse and I always told my sons that I would never do that to them. I have no plans to start doing so any time soon.

I fear for the trauma of the investigation and prosecution of these crimes, but I fear silence more.

Sunlight always helps healing. This approach at least ends the pain and suffering quickly, rather than dragging it out for years or decades.

DreamingCrow @ 149

For those not familiar with the story, my 13 year-old has been fighting serious mental illness for the past two years, in many ways triggered by abuse issues and the trauma from them.

My mother was silent about my abuse and I always told my sons that I would never do that to them. I have no plans to start doing so any time soon.

So glad that you are standing by your sons.

Lou Costello @ 122

oddmommy @ 77

[whispering] please, please, someone tell me what the mccain “red jello” thing is all about…..? I didn’t (couldn’t!) watch the debate.

He’s just old and it’s showing. WaterTiger made reference today: Face the Snark – Commander Guy Edition

thank you Mr Costello. I believe this is not the first time you have patiently assisted my cluelessness.

And I do fondly recall from my childhood, you and your sidekick Mr. Abbott…..

Hi All. TRex is his usual feisty self, slashing his latest victim with sharpened teeth. I hope Broder doesn’t give you indigestion, TRex.

*URRRRRRRRP!!*

I’m sorry, you were saying something?

*picks teeth*

Texas Betsy @ 154

EvilDrPuma @ 147

Texas Betsy @ 91

Amazing how many survivors of different kinds of abuse we have in this room. And how many of us use that to find empathy with victims of other kinds in the world around us.

I suppose that includes me; my mother was abused, but thank God, she learned enough to protect her children. I wasn’t so lucky at school. I was bullied horribly, and I know it left deep, deep scars. I’m pretty sure that’s one reason why I’m as angry as I am–I have absolutely no tolerance and a great deal of sensitivity to this kind of bullshit, and I am
shaking inside right now.

I know how I felt when I found out about Cass and her brother, and how i felt that I had not been more involved in their lives BEFORE things got so bad for them at home. ALL 4 of us in my house have needed counseling of one sort or another. And 3 of us continue to.

God (if there is one) bless you, Betsy. You are far toward sainthood. Virtue is measured in doing the hard work of doing good.

DrDick @ 152

Yeah, that make, I suspect, way more that two of us. The bullying led me to a wide variety of self destructive behaviors, as well as to a deep and destructive rage. Fortunately, that is all behind me now. It took me many years (and some professional help) to get straight from it.

It helped lead me to major depression and some anxiety problems (I’m mostly over the latter, but the depression is still a challenge, and I am being treated for it). That should never have to happen to anybody, ever.

Come to think of it, maybe this is one of the reasons why we despise this abusive administration so much.

Peterr @ 159

The AIDS activists had it right: Silence = Death.

We could be talking about AIDS or SIDS or PTSD. We could be talking about Iraq or Darfur or Tibet. We could be talking about Imus or Limbaugh or wanna-be Debbie Schlussel. Or we could be talking about child abuse.

Silence = Death.

Let’s hear it for not holding it in, not settling for silence, and not holding back.

Abso-fucking-lutely, Peterr.

Silence from Congress in oversight pre 11/07.

Silence from the media about the atrocities being committed in my name by my government.

Silence = Death.

Hey to you, too, DrDick!

Remember when times are dark. There is an invisible sun.

-GSD

*URRRRRRRRP!!*

I’m sorry, you were saying something?

*picks teeth*

…better have that dino-sized Ipecac chaser!

EvilDrPuma @ 158

I remember the story, although I don’t remember you mentioning abuse in connection. I’m sorry. I have always believed that abuse was a major factor in the development of GoodMrsPuma’s illness, but neither can keep me from standing by her now.

I’m glad that you are there for her. Considering that her parents were involved in both situations, in non-supportive positions, it’s got to be causing screaming flashbacks.

I don’t usually mention the abuse issues, because they’ve never fully LEGALLY been taken care of, but I’m working on that now.

Both of the boys have PTSD symptoms, besides all of J’s issues. A, the younger, is therapy to help avoid him reaching J’s point, but we won’t know if it’s worked for years.

::scrubs face:: Gah, what people do to children, hell, their fellow man period, just hurts my heart.

TRex, looks like there is something gray stuck between your first and second molars. You might wanna floss some more.

Peterr @ 159

The AIDS activists had it right: Silence = Death.

We could be talking about AIDS or SIDS or PTSD. We could be talking about Iraq or Darfur or Tibet. We could be talking about Imus or Limbaugh or wanna-be Debbie Schlussel. Or we could be talking about child abuse.

Silence = Death.

Let’s hear it for not holding it in, not settling for silence, and not holding back.

… and let’s hear it for being in the company of friends, the strength in unity
and the power of love to rise up, no matter how many times we are beaten down.

GSD @ 169

Remember when times are dark. There is an invisible sun.

Y’know, a little Sting is exactly what I could use right now. Time to feed the old nickleodeon.

Peterr @ 159

The AIDS activists had it right: Silence = Death.

We could be talking about AIDS or SIDS or PTSD. We could be talking about Iraq or Darfur or Tibet. We could be talking about Imus or Limbaugh or wanna-be Debbie Schlussel. Or we could be talking about child abuse.

Silence = Death.

Let’s hear it for not holding it in, not settling for silence, and not holding back.

Or alcoholism or drug abuse or domestic violence or child neglect or any of the many problems in society today.

oddmommy @ 163

thank you Mr Costello. I believe this is not the first time you have patiently assisted my cluelessness.

And I do fondly recall from my childhood, you and your sidekick Mr. Abbott…..

You are very welcome oddmommy, I aims ta please. That said…“Who’s on First?”

EvilDrPuma @ 166

DrDick @ 152

Yeah, that make, I suspect, way more that two of us. The bullying led me to a wide variety of self destructive behaviors, as well as to a deep and destructive rage. Fortunately, that is all behind me now. It took me many years (and some professional help) to get straight from it.

It helped lead me to major depression and some anxiety problems (I’m mostly over the latter, but the depression is still a challenge, and I am being treated for it). That should never have to happen to anybody, ever.

Come to think of it, maybe this is one of the reasons why we despise this abusive administration so much.

I think it is also some of what separates us from them. We have suffered an have vowed it should never happen to anyone else. Whether they have suffered or not, they feel privileged to inflict it on others.

GSD @ 169

Remember when times are dark. There is an invisible sun.

-GSD

Thanks! Listening now. Always loved the Police; saw ‘em live in KC once…

My best wishes to all those, here at the lake, who have suffered, first or second hand, from abuse. I found out, as young adult, that my Mum was abused by her brother. My she is a strong person, very stable marriage(45yrs and going strong)and three reasonably ok kids.

Suzanne @ 172

TRex, looks like there is something gray stuck between your first and second molars. You might wanna floss some more.

Make that gray and nasty.

Debbie(aussie) @ 179

My best wishes to all those, here at the lake, who have suffered, first or second hand, from abuse. I found out, as young adult, that my Mum was abused by her brother. My she is a strong person, very stable marriage(45yrs and going strong)and three reasonably ok kids.

Yay for Debbie’s mom!

DreamingCrow @ 171

::scrubs face:: Gah, what people do to children, hell, their fellow man period, just hurts my heart.

Damned straight.

EDP:

Although I cannot begin to comprehend what pain and rage you must be feeling, I have found that, FWIW, channeling some of the anger towards inanimate objects helps. Chop down a tree, dig a trench, knock down a wall, whatever. It’s helped me whenever I’ve found myself wanting to hurt someone. If nothing else, you wind up too exhausted to do anything else.

OK, probably pretty lame advise, but I just wanted to let you know that you and your family are in my thoughts and prayers.

Suzanne @ 172

TRex, looks like there is something gray stuck between your first and second molars. You might wanna floss some more.

Reminds me of my favorite ever New Yorker cartoon. A very self-important TV news anchor is saying to the camera, “This late bulletin has just been handed me. ‘There’s a piece of spinach or something stuck to your top front teeth…’”

Sitting here in my ratty bathrobe in the basement of my mother’s efficiency apartment which I have not left for two months, I am trying my hardest not to be vulgar and uncivil as I would not wish to upset the likes of the noble Mr. Broder. It is very difficult. Wait a minute. Efficiency apartments do not have basements. What is wrong here?

Could it actually be that I am in my luxury condo at the Marina looking out over my sailboat as lights twinkle across the harbor and musing about just how much a new sail cover will cost. I doesn’t matter. Either way, I am having trouble restraining myself from being vulgar and uncivil. Broder seems to bring that out in me. You will notice that my lack of profanity or personal attacks or other inappropriate comments or material is quite admirable. That does not mean that I do not consider Broder a complete ass and a danger to society. Do he not understand that people are DYING, as in dead, gone, killed, while he and his Washington cohorts play politics, this freakin washed up has been shell of human being? Despicable.

DrDick @ 177

I think it is also some of what separates us from them. We have suffered an have vowed it should never happen to anyone else. Whether they have suffered or not, they feel privileged to inflict it on others.

Just so.

DreamingCrow @ 171

EvilDrPuma @ 158

I remember the story, although I don’t remember you mentioning abuse in connection. I’m sorry. I have always believed that abuse was a major factor in the development of GoodMrsPuma’s illness, but neither can keep me from standing by her now.

I’m glad that you are there for her. Considering that her parents were involved in both situations, in non-supportive positions, it’s got to be causing screaming flashbacks.

I don’t usually mention the abuse issues, because they’ve never fully LEGALLY been taken care of, but I’m working on that now.

Both of the boys have PTSD symptoms, besides all of J’s issues. A, the younger, is therapy to help avoid him reaching J’s point, but we won’t know if it’s worked for years.

::scrubs face:: Gah, what people do to children, hell, their fellow man period, just hurts my heart.

Facing the horrors we inflict on one another is one of the hardest parts of my job.

Wishing for better days.

-GSD

Debbie(aussie) @ 179

My best wishes to all those, here at the lake, who have suffered, first or second hand, from abuse. I found out, as young adult, that my Mum was abused by her brother. My she is a strong person, very stable marriage(45yrs and going strong)and three reasonably ok kids.

I just read cassie’s comment on an earlier thread that the biggest problem in our family is my son’s lack of table manners. I think I may end up with some reasonably OK kids by the time I am all done.

kristine, that’s actually sound advice. I used to go to the thrift store, buy cheap china, and throw it at the garage. Actually helped vent a lot of rage.

Morris Sheppard @ 185

Sitting here in my ratty bathrobe in the basement of my mother’s efficiency apartment which I have not left for two months, I am trying my hardest not to be vulgar and uncivil as I would not wish to upset the likes of the noble Mr. Broder. It is very difficult. Wait a minute. Efficiency apartments do not have basements. What is wrong here?

Could it actually be that I am in my luxury condo at the Marina looking out over my sailboat as lights twinkle across the harbor and musing about just how much a new sail cover will cost. I doesn’t matter. Either way, I am having trouble restraining myself from being vulgar and uncivil. Broder seems to bring that out in me. You will notice that my lack of profanity or personal attacks or other inappropriate comments or material is quite admirable. That does not mean that I do not consider Broder a complete ass and a danger to society. Do he not understand that people are DYING, as in dead, gone, killed, while he and his Washington cohorts play politics, this freakin washed up has been shell of human being? Despicable.

Congrats on your restraint.

Now if we could just find someone to restrain Broder.

kristine @ 183

EDP:

Although I cannot begin to comprehend what pain and rage you must be feeling, I have found that, FWIW, channeling some of the anger towards inanimate objects helps. Chop down a tree, dig a trench, knock down a wall, whatever. It’s helped me whenever I’ve found myself wanting to hurt someone. If nothing else, you wind up too exhausted to do anything else.

OK, probably pretty lame advise, but I just wanted to let you know that you and your family are in my thoughts and prayers.

Not entirely lame. When I was in high school, I found board-breaking in tae kwon do class very therapeutic…and a good deal less problematic than putting my foot through a human ribcage.

Are there any more Aussies here or are they still celebrating their World Cup Championship?

kristine @ 183

EDP:

Although I cannot begin to comprehend what pain and rage you must be feeling, I have found that, FWIW, channeling some of the anger towards inanimate objects helps. Chop down a tree, dig a trench, knock down a wall, whatever. It’s helped me whenever I’ve found myself wanting to hurt someone. If nothing else, you wind up too exhausted to do anything else.

OK, probably pretty lame advise, but I just wanted to let you know that you and your family are in my thoughts and prayers.

We have several old hub caps and a metal mixing bowl out back and I beat them with a hammer when I need that kind of release.

Texas Betsy @ 189

Debbie(aussie) @ 179

My best wishes to all those, here at the lake, who have suffered, first or second hand, from abuse. I found out, as young adult, that my Mum was abused by her brother. My she is a strong person, very stable marriage(45yrs and going strong)and three reasonably ok kids.

I just read cassie’s comment on an earlier thread that the biggest problem in our family is my son’s lack of table manners. I think I may end up with some reasonably OK kids by the time I am all done.

If the worst prolem you have is a lack of table manners, you are definitely golden!

DrDick @ 187

Facing the horrors we inflict on one another is one of the hardest parts of my job.

But a necessary one. I know it’s a big reason why I teach a course on human and animal sacrifice…and why I have students in that class write a paper on the death penalty in relation to human sacrifice.

SusanD @ 190

kristine, that’s actually sound advice. I used to go to the thrift store, buy cheap china, and throw it at the garage. Actually helped vent a lot of rage.

Long ago — pre-curbside recycling days — I had a friend who lived next to a bar. She found that getting up, going into the alley, and throwing the empties against the brick wall of the bar to be quite the venting experience.

Being the good neighbor she was, she’d finish by sweeping up the broken glass. ;)

I pace. Chop wood. Take walks.

And I come to FireDogLake, where no matter the subject, I find the waters restorative and helpful in soothing my savage beast within.

Suzanne @ 172

TRex, looks like there is something gray stuck between your first and second molars. You might wanna floss some more.

*PTOOO!!*

Toupee.

I just read cassie’s comment on an earlier thread that the biggest problem in our family is my son’s lack of table manners. I think I may end up with some reasonably OK kids by the time I am all done.

If the worst prolem you have is a lack of table manners, you are definitely golden!

Also a lack of soap on the hands of a nearly teenage boy. My guess is that he will outgrow both these issues. We are indeed blessed.

Petrocelli.

There’s love, but there’s also resiliance(sp?) too. I think most of us have it in one form or another here. The ability to pick oneself up, and change the situation. I’ve only experienced bullying in school myself, but i had a decent family support system which helped. I still have self confidence issues from that bullying. I don’t think parents realize just how horrible that can be. Probably why i sit there and chafe at the thought of the Bully In Chief and all his cohorts. I HATE them with a passion. I had to learn to cope with the idiots on my own, with little help from adults.

But it’s so common. but nothing on the level of the abuses many of you have gone through. I tip my hat in salute of your courage in the face of that to all of you.

Texas Betsy @ 109

SusanD @ 107

EDP, as a child I told my grandmother that my uncle was sexually abusing me. She slapped my face and called me a liar.

As a young adult I learned that every “adult” had known that he was a pedophile, and NOT ONE OF THEM did anything to protect any of the children. I was only one of his many victims.

They didn’t protect us because they were embarrassed and ashamed, so they sacrificed us to the monster rather than publicly reveal what he was.

As a result, at 63 years old, I don’t trust anybody. Not anybody.

What a difference it would have made to my life, to my cousins, to my brothers and sister if just one person had protected us.

Suzanne I am so sorry. And I understand. Deeply.

SusanD,
I was raped when I was 5 a few months after my mother died of breast cancer. I am also an incest survivor. I went to live with relatives and my older cousin terrorized me and molested me from 9-12. You are not alone I also have a hard time trusting. Hugs

DrDick @ 177

I think it is also some of what separates us from them. We have suffered an have vowed it should never happen to anyone else. Whether they have suffered or not, they feel privileged to inflict it on others.

Actually, we have had the privilege to suffer while they suffer from privilege.

EvilDrPuma @ 196

DrDick @ 187

Facing the horrors we inflict on one another is one of the hardest parts of my job.

But a necessary one. I know it’s a big reason why I teach a course on human and animal sacrifice…and why I have students in that class write a paper on the death penalty in relation to human sacrifice.

What a great assignment!

Texas Betsy @ 189.
I think there is great hope for your ‘kids’. Cassie sounds like she is coping extremely well. I am sure this bodes well for the future. You have done a great thing taking care of your niece.

GSD-

The last seven years I’ve been Driven to Tears.

EvilDrPuma @ 196

DrDick @ 187

Facing the horrors we inflict on one another is one of the hardest parts of my job.

But a necessary one. I know it’s a big reason why I teach a course on human and animal sacrifice…and why I have students in that class write a paper on the death penalty in relation to human sacrifice.

Ditto. I teach a course on race and ethnicity, which is in large part a catalogue of horrors. It hurts to delve into these things, but we owe it to our students to enlighten them about what is really happening in the world. Good paper topic by the way. I talk about human trafficking and its relationship to colonialism and slavery. It always generates several papers.

EDP,

I have been following the discussion since the last thread. In dealing with your in-laws it may help to remember that the person who has done the abusing might continue on with other victims. It is for you and your wife to decide how far you want to go in involving law enforcement but it might prevent someone else being abused by this relative.

You are definitly in my thoughts on this issue.

Suzanne @ 198

I pace. Chop wood. Take walks.

And I come to FireDogLake, where no matter the subject, I find the waters restorative and helpful in soothing my savage beast within.

Truly therapeutic. I find much comfort hear in the peaceful waters of the Lake. Helps soothe that savage (and violent) inner Okie.

OK, here’s one for the profs at the ‘Lake . . .

It seems Douglas Feith (Rummy’s #3) and George Tenet are both teaching courses on 9-11 as visiting professors at Georgetown University. The WaPo breaks down the reading lists and lecture styles, but the whole situation is just incredible.

I have this picture in my head of a student taking both courses and turning in the same paper to both profs, just to see what the reaction would be.

Then posting the faculty comments on their Facebook page.

TRex @ 199
Suzanne @ 172
TRex, looks like there is something gray stuck between your first and second molars. You might wanna floss some more.

*PTOOO!!*

Toupee.

Hey Big Guy. Was that a message you were directing my way? (hands on hips)

Texas Betsy @189

I just read cassie’s comment on an earlier thread that the biggest problem in our family is my son’s lack of table manners.

Don’t worry. All it will take is pretty good young woman and that problem will be solved! It worked for my son.

Texas Betsy @ 200

I just read cassie’s comment on an earlier thread that the biggest problem in our family is my son’s lack of table manners. I think I may end up with some reasonably OK kids by the time I am all done.

If the worst prolem you have is a lack of table manners, you are definitely golden!

Also a lack of soap on the hands of a nearly teenage boy. My guess is that he will outgrow both these issues. We are indeed blessed.

He will definitely outgrow it, especially after he discovers girls. It was one of my major faults as a young’un. Disappeared with age.

Driven to tears….What I say.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what’s still around.

-GSD

The Lake has helped my anxiety over the government’s meddling. I still feel on the edge of something though. A feeling i REALLY do not like, regardless of the slow progress our movement is making.

I sang in high school, music was and still is my balm when the chips are down. That and laughter at the moment. Laughter over cheesy, campy and great japanese sentai shows. (the shows thatPower Rangers are based on)

Texas Betsy @ 203

What a great assignment!

I try to be creative with the assignments. I like to believe that it makes it more interesting for the students, and besides, it’s harder to cheat on something that has never been done before. I have them watch “Dead Man Walking”–always an intense experience!–and evaluate it in terms of the anthropological and psychological theories on sacrifice that we cover. The trick is getting across that it isn’t about whether they
support the death penalty or not. Although I hope it gives them some food for thought on that point, too.

SusanD @ 190

kristine, that’s actually sound advice. I used to go to the thrift store, buy cheap china, and throw it at the garage. Actually helped vent a lot of rage.

Wow. Never thought of that. Great idea!

I always knew when I was truly, royally pissed at someone or something when I had cleaned my house to within an inch of its life.

EvilDrPuma @ 182

DreamingCrow @ 171

::scrubs face:: Gah, what people do to children, hell, their fellow man period, just hurts my heart.

Damned straight.

Double damned straight.

lolo @ 202

Texas Betsy @ 109

SusanD @ 107

EDP, as a child I told my grandmother that my uncle was sexually abusing me. She slapped my face and called me a liar.

As a young adult I learned that every “adult” had known that he was a pedophile, and NOT ONE OF THEM did anything to protect any of the children. I was only one of his many victims.

They didn’t protect us because they were embarrassed and ashamed, so they sacrificed us to the monster rather than publicly reveal what he was.

As a result, at 63 years old, I don’t trust anybody. Not anybody.

What a difference it would have made to my life, to my cousins, to my brothers and sister if just one person had protected us.

Suzanne I am so sorry. And I understand. Deeply.

SusanD,
I was raped when I was 5 a few months after my mother died of breast cancer. I am also an incest survivor. I went to live with relatives and my older cousin terrorized me and molested me from 9-12. You are not alone I also have a hard time trusting. Hugs

Bless you lolo. Know that you are loved her by those who will never harm you or allow you to be harmed by others.

Peterr @ 210

OK, here’s one for the profs at the ‘Lake . . .

It seems Douglas Feith (Rummy’s #3) and George Tenet are both teaching courses on 9-11 as visiting professors at Georgetown University. The WaPo breaks down the reading lists and lecture styles, but the whole situation is just incredible.

I have this picture in my head of a student taking both courses and turning in the same paper to both profs, just to see what the reaction would be.

Then posting the faculty comments on their Facebook page.

Peterr: Indeed! A very enlightening article. My favorite part is when Feith walks into Tenet’s university office, early on, glad-hands him, and insists they should get together for lunch soon. Next time Feith drops by, Tenet has moved his office to a different floor in hopes of not bumping into him again.

I love it. You couldn’t make this stuff up.

TR @ 217

Double damned straight.

I’ll never understand why calling somebody a bleeding heart is supposed to be a putdown.

Well, I popped in and it seems there are some heavy themes here. So sorry, EDP, for what you are going through, and for the far-too-many folk here who have dealt with abuse directly or indirectly. It’s like a poison that you have to figure out how to get out of your own system, and while you may have help, it’s really your own antidote you need to find.

And I get the rage you feel – as non-violent as I am, I believe that would fall by the wayside when confronted with someone abusing a child, or anyone, for that matter.

I was married and our therapist(!) initiated a sexual relationship with my then wife. Years of counseling from someone competent later, and we still split up, and she was haunted by it until she committed suicide about two years after we split. The jerk who did this still practices, and to this day I think he’s the only person in the world I’d want to cold-cock if I saw him.

The one gift from the experience is that it makes you realize that we are responsible for each other, and if we act on that, things start to get a little better.

hey Lou Costello, thanks for the Who’s on First? My Dad’s no longer alive, but it gave me good memories of him watching that and laughing and laughing.

SusanD,
I was raped when I was 5 a few months after my mother died of breast cancer. I am also an incest survivor. I went to live with relatives and my older cousin terrorized me and molested me from 9-12. You are not alone I also have a hard time trusting. Hugs

Lolo I am so sorry that all of this happened to you. May you find healing and wholeness.

aliasofwestgate @ 201

Petrocelli.

There’s love, but there’s also resiliance(sp?) too. I think most of us have it in one form or another here. The ability to pick oneself up, and change the situation. I’ve only experienced bullying in school myself, but i had a decent family support system which helped. I still have self confidence issues from that bullying. I don’t think parents realize just how horrible that can be. Probably why i sit there and chafe at the thought of the Bully In Chief and all his cohorts. I HATE them with a passion. I had to learn to cope with the idiots on my own, with little help from adults.

But it’s so common. but nothing on the level of the abuses many of you have gone through. I tip my hat in salute of your courage in the face of that to all of you.

Having a support group – friends and relatives along with a caring therapist – is essential for overcoming life’s tragedies.
If I might suggest to all of you, get some books and CDs by Louise Hay. Her words are really powerful and healing. I myself am a yoga/meditation teacher and I have recommended her materials to thousands. Many people have benefitted from her books/CDs.
Whatever it takes, try to overcome your fears. You deserve to feel free and trust and love.

I’ve suffered from dysthymia, constant low grade depression, with bouts of major depression, for my whole life, partially a genetic issue and partially a result of sexual abuse and bullying.

It’s taken me years and years to willingly take medication and now, to be in therapy, but it was the best decision(s) that I have ever made, other than remarrying. ^_^

For me, when I get angry and or depressed, I walk. I’ve walked one marathon and will be doing another one next month. In September, I’ll be doing the Breast Cancer 3-Day in memory of my mother’s cousin and for people like Jane. In motion, I find peace and lose my anger.

It also helps with the Crohn’s Disease and arthritis. ^_^

EvilDrPuma @ 216

Texas Betsy @ 203

What a great assignment!

I try to be creative with the assignments. I like to believe that it makes it more interesting for the students, and besides, it’s harder to cheat on something that has never been done before. I have them watch “Dead Man Walking”–always an intense experience!–and evaluate it in terms of the anthropological and psychological theories on sacrifice that we cover. The trick is getting across that it isn’t about whether they
support the death penalty or not. Although I hope it gives them some food for thought on that point, too.

Damn! That really is an innovative approach. Hats off to you sir. We work so hard to stretch our student’s minds, but I think they actually appreciate it.

AZ Matt @ 207

EDP,

I have been following the discussion since the last thread. In dealing with your in-laws it may help to remember that the person who has done the abusing might continue on with other victims. It is for you and your wife to decide how far you want to go in involving law enforcement but it might prevent someone else being abused by this relative.

You are definitly in my thoughts on this issue.

One of the frustrating things is that we really aren’t involved at that end. We just never happened to be in a position to have any first-hand information. But I am keenly aware that the likely perpetrator can never, ever be trusted with a child now that we know what we know.

Folks, I’ve freed several comments from the filters. Everyone wanna refresh the page to see the comments :) Thank you

burnspbesq @ 136
lolo @ 109
burnspbesq @ 15
Fuckery isn’t confined to the Federal level.

Here in OC, our Board of Supervisors has effectively turned over control of our park system to … [wait for it] a multi-gazillionaire real estate developer.

http://www.ocregister.com/ocre…..677037.php

Arrrrggghhhh.

Hey I am from OC too!
I am so upset to see this. I refuse to read the rightwing OCRegister. OMG The Irvine Company will do such harm to all the parks, beaches and historical land. I am so sad. : (

Wouldn’t you love to get five minutes alone with Donald Bren? “Don, you’ve made your three billion dollars. You can stop now. You don’t need to sell any more ugly $2 million houses.”

He is a crook. This is a nightmare. They have been fighting to get their hands on the wetlands so they can build million dollar houses. It’s bad enough that the sea lions are dying and that the ocean is so contaminated that the surfers have chronic infections and throat fungus. I am sickened by this. Grrrrrrrrrrr

Peterr @ 210

OK, here’s one for the profs at the ‘Lake . . .

It seems Douglas Feith (Rummy’s #3) and George Tenet are both teaching courses on 9-11 as visiting professors at Georgetown University. The WaPo breaks down the reading lists and lecture styles, but the whole situation is just incredible.

I have this picture in my head of a student taking both courses and turning in the same paper to both profs, just to see what the reaction would be.

Then posting the faculty comments on their Facebook page.

The mind boggles. Of course they are both bullshit courses.

Redshift @ 141

GSD @ 90

Broder Bounces…Friedman Units…Now with the Necrotizing Cheneyitis.

No wonder the Justice Department is dying in front of our very eyes. It has been infected with Necrotizing Cheneyitis.

“After the 2000 election, Kyle Sampson “drew on a friendship he had built in law school with Elizabeth Cheney, the daughter of the vice president, to land a job making personnel decisions in the early days of the Bush administration.”

-GSD

I understand that wingnut critiques of anyone else are always full of projection, but there’s still one thing I find hard to understand — how could they possibly believe that accusing Joe Wilson of having been selected through nepotism would discredit him, when the administration is rife with it?

Or if they were trying to make him seem like some kind of “mama’s boy” by accusing him of being appointed by his wife, well, the administration is rife with that, too.

It’s just bizarre.

You project what you know.

Bob in HI

Mutant Poodle @ 222

I was married and our therapist(!) initiated a sexual relationship with my then wife. Years of counseling from someone competent later, and we still split up, and she was haunted by it until she committed suicide about two years after we split. The jerk who did this still practices, and to this day I think he’s the only person in the world I’d want to cold-cock if I saw him.

Instead of cold-cocking him, try reporting his sorry ass to the state licensing board. If your “competent counselor” didn’t do so at the time, it’s long past time for him/her to do so as well.

EvilDrPuma @ 221

TR @ 217

Double damned straight.

I’ll never understand why calling somebody a bleeding heart is supposed to be a putdown.

Better a bleeding heart than a bloodless heart.

kristine @ 183

EDP:

Although I cannot begin to comprehend what pain and rage you must be feeling, I have found that, FWIW, channeling some of the anger towards inanimate objects helps. Chop down a tree, dig a trench, knock down a wall, whatever. It’s helped me whenever I’ve found myself wanting to hurt someone. If nothing else, you wind up too exhausted to do anything else.

OK, probably pretty lame advise, but I just wanted to let you know that you and your family are in my thoughts and prayers.

Be well Dr. Evil and Mrs. Good Puma. It does seem to be a time to dive in and help your nieces/nephews and also to shore up the support you both need. I’m so happy to see you sharing what’s happening with you here at the Lake and all the care and support people are giving you. My best wishes for a speedy and safe solution for the children.

Debbie(aussie) @ 205

Texas Betsy @ 189.
I think there is great hope for your ‘kids’. Cassie sounds like she is coping extremely well. I am sure this bodes well for the future. You have done a great thing taking care of your niece.

I’d add, Texas Betsy, that when I went back to pick up on the sad history of EDP’s story, that Cassie’s passion and eloquence in her comments talking about her brother’s situation, and defending the soldiers on the ground, was breathtaking. To bastardize EB White in Charlotte’s Web, not too many people are good-hearted and good writers – Cassie, it seems, is both. Bless both of you.

greenwarrior @ 223

hey Lou Costello, thanks for the Who’s on First? My Dad’s no longer alive, but it gave me good memories of him watching that and laughing and laughing.

That is still my favorite comedy routine EVAH! I adore Abbott & Costello and watched all their movies from about five years old on.

lolo, hugs right back at you.

Peterr @ 233

Mutant Poodle @ 222

I was married and our therapist(!) initiated a sexual relationship with my then wife. Years of counseling from someone competent later, and we still split up, and she was haunted by it until she committed suicide about two years after we split. The jerk who did this still practices, and to this day I think he’s the only person in the world I’d want to cold-cock if I saw him.

Instead of cold-cocking him, try reporting his sorry ass to the state licensing board. If your “competent counselor” didn’t do so at the time, it’s long past time for him/her to do so as well.

Nope – we did that, too. As soon as he got caught, he started doing all sorts of pro bono work, and he got off with probation.

Bastards never even called to hear our story directly – just read the report from the investigator.

There is much more of an awakening to come…And a far greater degree of ruthlessness will be required to deal with those who will not rehabilitate themselves, but instead scuttle to shadowy corners and wait until their next opportunity for malevolence comes on the wings of mercy and forgetfulness.

This is not America. They are not Americans.

Fight every day for your country.

I’ve got to turn in . . . but it’s been quite the thread. Peace to you all.

TRex loves him some BBQ Brodersaurus-burger for breakfast…

Suzanne @ 229

Folks, I’ve freed several comments from the filters. Everyone wanna refresh the page to see the comments :) Thank you

best TRex column in weeks – worth a lot
comments by the fdl community – precious
Suzanne as mod- priceless!

Peterr @ 241

I’ve got to turn in . . . but it’s been quite the thread. Peace to you all.

And peace to you. Sleep well.

lolo,
Hugs, hugs hugs.
SusanD, more hugs.

*blushing* thanks et

Thanks Dr. Dick and Texas Betsy. I have been in recovery for many years. It is still hard to trust but at least I didn’t end up a serial killer or anything.

Peterr @ 241

I’ve got to turn in . . . but it’s been quite the thread. Peace to you all.

Night, Peterr. A pleasure, as always. Di I ever mention that my son is PeterS?

“Congress shares war-making power under the Constitution but can exercise it only through its control of the money the president needs to finance any military operation.” – The Constitution According to David The Dissembler Broder

Utterly false, unbelievably inaccurate and misleading, and very deliberately done. Broder knows his “journalist” pals have no interest in explaining the Constitution to the country accurately, and thus peddles his bald-faced assertion of a Constitutional fabrication with glee.

Professor Michael Glennon in testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee in 2002, about our Constitution as it IS:

Notwithstanding the plain import of these sources of constitutional power, some argue that the only role for Congress occurs after the fact—in cutting off funds if the president commences a war that Congress does not support. Two problems inhere in this theory. First, it reads the declaration-of-war clause out of the Constitution as a separate and independent check on presidential power. The Framers intended to give Congress control over waging war before the decision to go to war is made. Giving Congress a role only after the fact, however, would make its power to declare war nothing but a mere congressional trumpet to herald a decision made elsewhere. Whatever else the Framers may have done to enhance the President’s power, surely they did not play the neat trick of giving Congress a war power that is really no power at all.

Second, the theory flies in the face of the Framers’ manifest intention to make it more difficult to get into war than out of it. This approach would do the opposite. If the only congressional option is to wait for the president to begin a war that Congress does not wish the nation to fight, and then cut off funds, war can be instituted routinely with no congressional approval—and seldom if ever ended quickly. The practical method of cutting off funds is to attach a rider to the Department of Defense authorization or appropriation legislation. This means, necessarily, passing the legislation by a two-thirds vote so as to overcome the inevitable presidential veto. The alternative is for Congress to withhold funding altogether—and be blamed by the president for closing down not merely the Pentagon but perhaps the entire federal government. The short of it is, therefore, that to view the congressional appropriations power as the only constitutional check on presidential war power is, for all practical purposes, to eliminate the declaration-of-war clause as a constitutional restraint on the president.

Http://judiciary.senate.gov/te…..wit_id=434

[Nicely dissected, TRex.]

lolo @ 247

Thanks Dr. Dick and Texas Betsy. I have been in recovery for many years. It is still hard to trust but at least I didn’t end up a serial killer or anything.

On the contrary! You’ve just ended up the zed-swiper.

lolo @ 247

Thanks Dr. Dick and Texas Betsy. I have been in recovery for many years. It is still hard to trust but at least I didn’t end up a serial killer or anything.

You obviously have come out a good person. The greatest tragedy of childhood abuse is that the victims grow up to be the abusers.

Must turn in as well. Peace and healing to all who suffer. May they find God’s grace and love. ((((firepups))))

masaccio @ 21

So, reality is in Washington, and the rest of us just watch in awe. Dean Broder, didn’t we in the rest of the country send people to Washingon to create the reality we want?

Dean, you are 77 years old. Please stay home.

Age is no excuse. Picasso was still at it at age ninety ……

lolo got the Zed

There’s a newThread

Texas Betsy @ 250

lolo @ 247

Thanks Dr. Dick and Texas Betsy. I have been in recovery for many years. It is still hard to trust but at least I didn’t end up a serial killer or anything.

On the contrary! You’ve just ended up the zed-swiper.

Even if one swipes multiple zeds, there’d be zero evidence!

DrDick @ 251

lolo @ 247

Thanks Dr. Dick and Texas Betsy. I have been in recovery for many years. It is still hard to trust but at least I didn’t end up a serial killer or anything.

You obviously have come out a good person. The greatest tragedy of childhood abuse is that the victims grow up to be the abusers.

Not in all cases.

Peterr @ 210

OK, here’s one for the profs at the ‘Lake . . .

It seems Douglas Feith (Rummy’s #3) and George Tenet are both teaching courses on 9-11 as visiting professors at Georgetown University. The WaPo breaks down the reading lists and lecture styles, but the whole situation is just incredible.

I have this picture in my head of a student taking both courses and turning in the same paper to both profs, just to see what the reaction would be.

Then posting the faculty comments on their Facebook page.

Just makes me want to vomit thinking of these dastardly war criminals anywhere other than the Hague..much less teaching future generations anything, anything at all..

Truly a bizzaro world story..

Blank Kludge @ 256

DrDick @ 251

lolo @ 247

Thanks Dr. Dick and Texas Betsy. I have been in recovery for many years. It is still hard to trust but at least I didn’t end up a serial killer or anything.

You obviously have come out a good person. The greatest tragedy of childhood abuse is that the victims grow up to be the abusers.

Not in all cases.

No, and that is my point to lolo. Unfortunately it happens all too often. It is a big part of why I got custody of my son when my ex and I divorced.

I’ll never understand why calling somebody a bleeding heart is supposed to be a putdown.

No kidding. You have to have a heart to b a bleeding heart. You can’t have a heart and be a neocon.

Eureka Springs @ 257

Peterr @ 210

OK, here’s one for the profs at the ‘Lake . . .

It seems Douglas Feith (Rummy’s #3) and George Tenet are both teaching courses on 9-11 as visiting professors at Georgetown University. The WaPo breaks down the reading lists and lecture styles, but the whole situation is just incredible.

I have this picture in my head of a student taking both courses and turning in the same paper to both profs, just to see what the reaction would be.

Then posting the faculty comments on their Facebook page.

Just makes me want to vomit thinking of these dastardly war criminals anywhere other than the Hague..much less teaching future generations anything, anything at all..

Truly a bizzaro world story..

As one of the “profs”, I second the emotion.

DreamingCrow @ 237
greenwarrior @ 223

You’re all welcome. Laughter IS the best medicine. And Robin Williams is a genius: YouTube

Peterr @ 233

Mutant Poodle @ 222

I was married and our therapist(!) initiated a sexual relationship with my then wife. Years of counseling from someone competent later, and we still split up, and she was haunted by it until she committed suicide about two years after we split. The jerk who did this still practices, and to this day I think he’s the only person in the world I’d want to cold-cock if I saw him.

Instead of cold-cocking him, try reporting his sorry ass to the state licensing board. If your “competent counselor” didn’t do so at the time, it’s long past time for him/her to do so as well.

I second that. Who knows who else has or might suffer the same situation.

These stories ring all too true. The deniers and the enablers are more hurtful in the long run that the perpretrators.

Being around my mom is so stressful for me that my ears would ring during or after a visit. Two and a half years ago after a short visit with her they started ringing again, and they haven’t stopped since.

The only time I’ve ever tried to talk to her about it, around 20 years after, she first became indignant: “well, I suppose you blame ME for that”, then the retro-hero: “If I had had any idea that was happenning, he would have had to go” (leaving aside the times she sat in the room during the event) and finally the all encompassing: “well, NOBODY knew in those days it was such a problem”.

I don’t trust anybody either.

Inventor @ 263

These stories ring all too true. The deniers and the enablers are more hurtful in the long run that the perpretrators.

Being around my mom is so stressful for me that my ears would ring during or after a visit. Two and a half years ago after a short visit with her they started ringing again, and they haven’t stopped since.

The only time I’ve ever tried to talk to her about it, around 20 years after, she first became indignant: “well, I suppose you blame ME for that”, then the retro-hero: “If I had had any idea that was happenning, he would have had to go” (leaving aside the times she sat in the room during the event) and finally the all encompassing: “well, NOBODY knew in those days it was such a problem”.

I don’t trust anybody either.

My heart goes out to you as well.

Inventor @ 263

Sounds a little like this Administration: “No one could have anticipated…”

Well, Pups, I think it is time for me to turn in as well. Need to finish grading my graduate seminar papers and have about 100 essay exams coming in tomorrow. One more week and I am done! A whole summer devoted to fishing, hiking, and camping.

DrDick @ 266

Well, Pups, I think it is time for me to turn in as well. Need to finish grading my graduate seminar papers and have about 100 essay exams coming in tomorrow. One more week and I am done! A whole summer devoted to fishing, hiking, and camping.

Sleep well, and good luck with the essays.

Texas Betsy @ 154

EvilDrPuma @ 147

Texas Betsy @ 91
“Amazing how many survivors of different kinds of abuse we have in this room. And how many of us use that to find empathy with victims of other kinds in the world around us.”
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I suppose that includes me; my mother was abused, but thank God, she learned enough to protect her children. I wasn’t so lucky at school. I was bullied horribly, and I know it left deep, deep scars. I’m pretty sure that’s one reason why I’m as angry as I am–I have absolutely no tolerance and a great deal of sensitivity to this kind of bullshit, and I am shaking inside right now.

I know how I felt when I found out about Cass and her brother, and how i felt that I had not been more involved in their lives BEFORE things got so bad for them at home. ALL 4 of us in my house have needed counseling of one sort or another. And 3 of us continue to.

Congratulations for working on your issues, and for setting a good example. I came from a family where no one worked on any of their issues until all my brothers and sisters (and I) were adults. It would have been better had we gotten an earlier start. But we came from a culture where one didn’t talk about unpleasant things.

Life brings with it unpleasant things. It is a gift to have people in your life who model how to deal constructively with those things, rather than pretending that nothing is happening. How its dealt with doesn’t have to be perfect, as long as its constructive.

I’m struggling with words here, so I’ll resort to a study I read once which was a study about anger. Parents in my cultural background never wanted to show anger, especially at each other, because they thought it would be bad for the kids. But what the study found out is that the kids could tell something was wrong, but they didn’t know what, and it increased their anxiety. But in families where the parents expressed their anger more openly, but then were able to process and resolve it, the kids actually showed less anxiety, because they could see how to deal with it.

The Grandmother who slapped the child for reporting abuse was denying the child’s reality, and that’s crazy-making, in more ways than one.

But I rattle on. I just really wanted to congratulate all who are dealing constructively with the abuse in your family or family history. My hat is off to you!

Bob in HI

kristine @ 265

Inventor @ 263

Sounds a little like this Administration: “No one could have anticipated…”

Eggszactly!

And the petulant bully in the White House is a very, very close approximation of the sub-human piece of shit that was my step-father. I hate them with the heat of a super-nova.

Peterr @ 210

OK, here’s one for the profs at the ‘Lake . . .

It seems Douglas Feith (Rummy’s #3) and George Tenet are both teaching courses on 9-11 as visiting professors at Georgetown University. The WaPo breaks down the reading lists and lecture styles, but the whole situation is just incredible.

I have this picture in my head of a student taking both courses and turning in the same paper to both profs, just to see what the reaction would be.

Then posting the faculty comments on their Facebook page.

Or for Feith’s course they could turn in that undergraduate Student paper that was written back in 1991 as if it was a recent analysis of IRANS WMD risk. Since he used it, practically word-for-word off the inrternet for a serious intelligence analysis for IRAQ in 2002 clearly he has no issue with plagiarised and poorly researched papers!

EvilDrPuma @ 186

DrDick @ 177

I think it is also some of what separates us from them. We have suffered an have vowed it should never happen to anyone else. Whether they have suffered or not, they feel privileged to inflict it on others.

Just so.

There’s a saying in the recovery community that goes something like, “You deal with it, or you pass it on.” And passing it on can happen in extremely subtle ways. For example, my ex-wife is
*the only (female) child of the second marriage of a woman who was
*the only (female) child of the second marriage of a woman who was
*the only (female) child of a second marriage.

Yes, that’s three generations of the same pattern. Now, tell me what the odds are of something like that happening at random. And I was my ex-wife’s second marriage. But the chain was broken, because we didn’t have any kids.

What this showed me was that family patterns can replicate themselves in unbelievably subtle ways. I don’t know how to explain my ex-wife’s history, but it seems too far-fetched to say that it was just chance.

Bob in HI

Trex, talk about synchronicity

I was just going to hit the sack and thought I’d check the last couple a’ threads … and OMG … David Broder needs to see a therapist … what in the HELL is wrong with the senile old goat?

I wasn’t thinking about David Broder when I wrote this but I was thinking about “the plan”

Off to bed

Thinking folks who have been patient and willing enough to process Broder’s swill will in the vast majority agree that it is the sort of thing that dogs are intently interesting in – i.e., shit. He doesn’t actually appear to offer any actual thinking as far as political issues are concerned. He’s so deeply invested and enshrined in the powers that be that he can’t conceive of another concept.

I.e., this is not reporting but propaganda. The man has been corrupt for a good long time.

Petrocelli @ 193

Are there any more Aussies here or are they still celebrating their World Cup Championship?

Now, now Petrocelli, keep it down, my head’s a still a little fragile

aliasofwestgate @ 215

The Lake has helped my anxiety over the government’s meddling. I still feel on the edge of something though. A feeling i REALLY do not like, regardless of the slow progress our movement is making.

I sang in high school, music was and still is my balm when the chips are down. That and laughter at the moment. Laughter over cheesy, campy and great japanese sentai shows. (the shows thatPower Rangers are based on)

Listening to music is good. Playing music is better. Playing and singing with friends is best of all. I have a mandolin sitting a few feet away that has been begging me to play it this weekend, but I hate practicing. I have unrealistic expectations of how I should sound, and when I don’t play that way, I get very frustrated. But the muscle memory and the music memory circuit also trips some endorphin production somewhere, too. In a little while I’m gonna get it out, because there’s a song I’ve gotta learn.

Bob in HI

EvilDrPuma:

wrt your assignment to students to write a paper looking at the death penalty in relationship to human sacrifice…how many look at the dynamics of the victims (if the prisoner can be given that appealtion)?

In most human sacrifices the subject must be chaste and pure in order to be a suitable sacrifice, cf. the lamb in Christian and Judaic religious mythology. A prisoner would appear to be the exact opposite of that innocence notwithstanding the fact that the 200th person has just been cleared by DNA evidence in a capital case.

I’m just curious. I just retired recently and i spend most of my time re-reading old ethics and philosophy books from my college days (graduated ‘72) since reading the stuff about this lunatic in the WH is driving me nuts. Bertrand Russell’s stuff and a couple of books by William O. Douglas are my favorites.

Anyway, thanks for a jolt to my mind. Maybe I’ll spend some time writing something just as a way of developing the contrast between the two situations.

Nighty night.

Bob — My parents showed lots of anger but never took responsibility for it.

“The gap between public opinion and Washington reality has rarely been wider than on the issue of the Iraq war”

That statement irritated you? Ok, it’s obvious why. But hell, it delighted me. It’s the most perfect encapsulation of what’s wrong with the Washington press corp I’ve ever seen. It should be plastered everywhere.

TRex, you’re the man, err.. dino. You are the last place I visit nightly to get my frustrations said out loud. So good, and soooo right!

Thanks guy, more than I can say.

lolo @ 109

burnspbesq @ 15

Fuckery isn’t confined to the Federal level.

Here in OC, our Board of Supervisors has effectively turned over control of our park system to … [wait for it] a multi-gazillionaire real estate developer.

http://www.ocregister.com/ocre…..677037.php

Arrrrggghhhh.

Hey I am from OC too!
I am so upset to see this. I refuse to read the rightwing OCRegister. OMG The Irvine Company will do such harm to all the parks, beaches and historical land. I am so sad. : (

I’m in OC too, in Anaheim. I despise the OC Register and refuse to take it, but sometimes stories like this one don’t make it into the LA Times…

EvilDrPuma @ 127

SusanD @ 107

EDP, as a child I told my grandmother that my uncle was sexually abusing me. She slapped my face and called me a liar.

As a young adult I learned that every “adult” had known that he was a pedophile, and NOT ONE OF THEM did anything to protect any of the children. I was only one of his many victims.

They didn’t protect us because they were embarrassed and ashamed, so they sacrificed us to the monster rather than publicly reveal what he was.

As a result, at 63 years old, I don’t trust anybody. Not anybody.

What a difference it would have made to my life, to my cousins, to my brothers and sister if just one person had protected us.

Susan, I’m sorrier than I have words to tell you. Your story sounds a lot like GoodMrsPuma’s, and everything about your experience just sucks. For your sake, too, I will do anything lawful that is in my power to protect this child. It’s no less than anybody deserves.

Simply devastating, and I’ve also seen this denial.
I hope Susan and GoodMrsPuma and you EDP, and everyone else who has suffered like this find peace and healing.

Well put, T.
Couldn’t add a thing.

For all the knocking that FDL and others have done of Broder, I found that his answers-except for his refusal to cite any Reid examples-were very strong.

While he and pretty much all the “respected” inside the beltway pundits need continual doses of criticism, Broder showed for the most part a very rational view.

That said, I love these progressive blogs which are forcing these ITBP out of their comfort zones to confront their own dribble…think Joe Klein in the past few months…

Broder is even cheaper and more craven than bush and the neocons. He’s trying to set things up where it’s a win-win for Broder – ‘heads I win, tails you lose’: come September, Broder issues an ‘I told you so’ no matter what the outcome. Broder is a slimy weasel of the first degree.
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good morning, pups!
Whoo, boy, i got as far as ‘public opinion and Washington reality’ and had to Spotlight his ass – “”Public opinion and Washington Reality?” Mr. Broder, I think you have it backwards – Washington opinion should be derived from the public’s reality; as in, Government By, For, and Of the People. You all in D.C. have placed yourselves in a monarchical position and it is not fitting.”

I wrote the Dean an email after his savaging of Harry Reid. The summary of his latest column makes me realize that I wasted my electrons. Broder lives in his own ivory tower; the rest of us are stuck with making the best of reality.

Great post. One pesky detail. If you drop a lit match into a pool of kerosene, the match will go out. You either need to wick the kerosene (which will give you a smoky controlled burn) or aerosol it (big woosh). Kerosene fumes, unlike gasoline fumes, don’t ignite.

Brilliant!! Thanks for a good Monday morning laugh.

In a just world Dean Broder wouldn’t get so much a s a friedman before being shown the door.

But we don’t live in a just world.

“Washington reality”? Was that an intentional oxymoron, or does Broder’s Brain no longer process what he writes.

Describing Congress’ role as limited to the power of the purse is wishful thinking among those whom oversight will expose as empty stenographers of Bush’s lies.

As for the President’s “clear plan” for dealing with Iraq, its performance to date has been a F-, like his plans for his failed businesses, for Social Security, managing the budget….

Peterr @ 25

Part of the answer lies in the Constitution. It makes the president commander in chief of the armed forces, the only elected official whose orders every general and every private must obey.

It also makes him responsible for assuring that the legal obligation of habeas corpus must be observed, and that international treaties signed and ratified must be followed.

Ever heard of Geneva, Mr. Broder? I understand it’s a quaint little relic of the past, but I could be mistaken.

If the Geneva Conventions are ‘quaint’, then what is the US Constitution, which is much much older?

This certainly tells us what the NeoCons think of anything they don’t approve.

EvilDrPuma @ 147

Texas Betsy @ 91

Amazing how many survivors of different kinds of abuse we have in this room. And how many of us use that to find empathy with victims of other kinds in the world around us.

I suppose that includes me; my mother was abused, but thank God, she learned enough to protect her children. I wasn’t so lucky at school. I was bullied horribly, and I know it left deep, deep scars. I’m pretty sure that’s one reason why I’m as angry as I am–I have absolutely no tolerance and a great deal of sensitivity to this kind of bullshit, and I am
shaking inside right now.

Quake inside along with us and we’ll all shake & quake together until we move political mountains. Then, even if you don’t feel completely healed you’ll feel pretty good.