
TPM's Greg Sargent catches Clinton family advisor Leon Panetta trying to slip the Democrats not one, but two poison pills of woefully bad advice recently:
In a front page Washington Post article today by Jonathan Weisman and Lyndsey Layton about how the Democratic Congress is faltering, the reporters quote Leon Panetta making the case that Dems had better watch out and not be too confrontational with the White House:
"The primary message coming out of the November election was that the American people are sick and tired of the fighting and the gridlock, and they want both the president and Congress to start governing the country," warned Leon E. Panetta, a chief of staff in Bill Clinton's White House. "It just seems to me the Democrats, if they fail for whatever reason to get a domestic agenda enacted ... will pay a price."
Panetta, it appears, has become the go-to person for reporters eager to make the case that Dems are at risk of overreaching or failing. Indeed, it just so happens that this is the second time in just over a month that WaPo has gone to Panetta to get a quote arguing this. Funny coincidence, that.
Yeah. Especially since, as Sargent goes on to point out, all the recent polls show clearly that the public strongly supports efforts by Dems to confront Bush both on Iraq and on corruption -- "Going too far"? Hell, if anything, they think the Democrats haven't gone far enough. "Advice" like this from people like Panetta, we don't need.
Folks, Leon Panetta is not a stupid guy. He knows that the "gridlock" myth is a myth -- we should have been so lucky as to have had gridlock over the last six years. Instead, with very rare exceptions -- most of them in the last few months of Democratic control of both chambers of Congress -- the Republicans and their standard-bearer Bush have had their own way on pretty much every issue that matters, from taxes to Iraq to the politicization and corruption of every branch of government as incompetent Republican Party hacks such as Michael Brown and Michael Chertoff are shoehorned into positions of great responsibility. He also knows that so long as the Democrats don't have the votes to override Bush's veto pen, there's no way to advance a working "domestic agenda". Furthermore, he can't be totally ignorant of what poll after poll has been saying.
So what, exactly, is his major malfunction? Whose agenda is he pushing, when he tries to undermine Nancy and Harry this way?
It does make one wonder, doesn't it?
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OH. The Gridlock Myth myth. Like the Voter Fraud fraud. Same tool belt.
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SnarKassandra @ 6
Click on the links and all will be revealed. :-)
Short version: “Polls say that the public wants Dems to do MORE investigations and to do MORE opposition to Bush. Leon Panetta — who is supposed to be a Democrat — is pretending they say the opposite, and telling Harry and Nancy they need to cool their jets. Why?”
This Dem is not over-reaching. Hillary is under-reaching. And over-reaching at the same time. Sound familiar? Leon. I think it’s called triangulation, or some variation thereof.
http://education.yahoo.com/ref.....y/gridlock
Leon Panetta is right!
If Americans wanted more partisanship, how do you explain Joe Lieberman’s victory in Connecticut?
/channelling McCain, Cheney, et al.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 10
Panetta’s giving somebody a reacharound, and I suspect his first name is “George”.
It worries me that some dems might actually be listening to this asshat panetta. I hope to god Nancy and Harry do not give an inch on the war appropriations. I want it to be crystal clear who’s war this is, come ‘08 there will be no way for the republic party to blame the dems.
Could this be part of his problem?
From wiki
I am beginning to suspect somebody is trying to make fools of some of us.
Panetta, and by association Hillary Clinton, seem to serve corporatist interests. “Gridlock” or “bipartisanship” is good for business because it maintains the status quo, which is currently defined by the corporate-friendly anti-worker economy put into place by Ronald Reagan.
Hillary Clinton may have liberal tendencies, but she seems very much to be courting the big money in this country. At best we can expect a Clinton presidency to resemble the previous one, where social issues may or may not be addressed but the economic policies will be bad for the average American.
So what, exactly, is his major malfunction? Whose agenda is he pushing, when he tries to undermine Nancy and Harry this way?
WAG - trying to show his wisdom/experience/pragmatism while angling for a campaign consultant job?
He is pushing the DLC agenda, which the
Dems must resist at all costs.
Listen to the voters. Do not suck
up to corporate interests.
Part of Panetta’s perspective is from his days in the Clinton White House as Chief of Staff when the government shut down over the budget clash between the White House and Gingrich’s Congress. By and large, most observers think the White House came out of that clash better off than the Congress, and Gingrich — not Clinton — took the blame for shutting down the government.
Does that mean that every time there’s a big confrontation between Congress and the White House over the budget, Congress will lose? No. But Panetta was at the middle of the biggest such confrontation in recent history, and I think he’s reading too much of that battle into the present one. As you note, the polls indicate that right now, the Dems have the support of the general public, and not by a couple of percentage points. That was clearly not the case in 1996.
I detest the DLC.
Panetta is turning into the go-to Chicken Little:
HoJo can’t do all the heavy lifting, dammit.
Panetta was the US Rep from the district just south of the bay area. He used to be a Republican (in the 60s)and is very close to the Clintons. I assume he thinks he’s helping HRC, but who knows. The D’s need to ignore him as they should ignore all the other consultants who seek to dilute the message of the voters in 11/06.
This has been said here b4, including by me…….but the real villains here are the craven tools at WaPoop. A month or so ago, Weisman had a front page article that said something about Bush “holding firm” against those pesty, anti-war (oh, THAT again) Democrats….and I had an e-mail exchange with him in which he said, in essence, that “holding firm” actually COULD be perceived as a pejorative term, and that I construed it otherwise only through the “prism” of my own political views.
So, tomorrow I’ll send another e-mail: “Yo, a**hole! Tell me how “Democrats Momentum is Stalling” is objective journalism that I’m distorting through MY prism, again?”
ok, now this is really OT, but here’s a post that got left behind last thread. so for what it’s worth (with same apologies for horrid formatting)….
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Off topic, but somewhat related: this is a kind of cross-post from a TPM Muckraker thread (see http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003157.php) on Bradley Schlozman’s phony voter fraud indictments in Missouri. Thought it might be of interest here as well, and maybe someone can shed additional light on it. Also, my comment there (under a different handle) is stuck in moderation, and in the meantime I hope to get more feedback. (Apologies in advance for what may be ugly formatting.)
Anyway, what sparked my interest was the claim that the indictments in Missouri of four voter registration workers just 5 days before the 2006 elections was approved by “officials in the department’s Public Integrity Section.” I found it somewhat hard to think that the Public Integrity I was familiar with — i.e., during Bush’s first term — would sign off on such a thing given the general policy of not bringing indictments so close to an election, among other things, absent turnover leading to the placement of hacks at Public Integrity.
paul lukasiak, who if I remember correctly comments here, noted that Public Integrity has a new chief (previous chief Noel Hillman, if you recall, was appointed to the bench). His name is Edward Nucci. I came up with these links on him which seem to give a rough recent chronology of his career:
http://www.bizjournals.com/sou…..ily72.html
http://memphis.fbi.gov/dojpres…..061306.htm
http://www.marchforjustice.com/8.11.02.fbi.php
His comments from the last link led me to think that Nucci might be more in the mold of a “loyal Bushie”, to the extent that he seemed to be much more aggressively defensive about how the Bush admin’s antiterrorism investigation methods are disparately and unfairly affecting Muslims and racial minorities:
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“Many things that I heard tonight I take issue with, if not offense,”said Edward Nucci, of the U.S. Attorney’s office. “I don’t think it helps advance our understanding of each others concerns,” he said, responding to the issues raised by the panel and community of racial profiling, institutional racism and the U.S. Attorney’s office being labeled as racist.
“Concepts like dual process, equal protection, reasonableness, they vary in context,” and should be taken into consideration, Mr. Nucci said, dismissing the earlier assertion of Mr. Rameu concerning the profiling and targeting of non-Whites, Arabs and Muslims.
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Granted, his comments here are brief, so it may be unfair to draw any conclusions from them, but the FBI agent quoted later seemed to be somewhat more conciliatory, which shows to me that he didn’t have to be so aggressive about his defense of the investigative methods.
Anyway, if anyone has any thoughts or insight into Nucci, and his relationship, if any, to Schlozman and the Missouri voting fraud business, would be much appreciated. And paul, if you’re reading this, my response is still stuck in moderation at TPM Muckraker!
OT-But not really. Richardson has a post on HuffPo saying that Congress can end the war tomorrow by de-authorizing it. Hillary is introducing something like that but not fo r a few months. Overreaching??? I think not. End this war tomorrow. For the sake of our soldiers and for the sake of this country.
He’s just irked because the ISG report was treated with complete indifference by…well, everyone. They interviewed Tom Friedman but nobody who had the good judgment to oppose the war in the first place, for fuck’s sake. What did he expect?
I do not like Carville, Panetta, Rubin, Emanuel, and a bunch more.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 28
WORD!!!
puppethead @ 17
Bingo. And Peterr is probably right too. Leon is projecting his own stuff onto the present state of the state. He’s DLC through to the core. Run, don’t walk away from him and all the rest of the corporate shills.
Hi Cassie! How’s things? and congrats, your first zed?
Peterr @ 20
Exactly. People in 1995 and 1996 knew that Newt was full of crap. They also know now that Bush is full of crap — he’s at a 28% approval rating, for Pete’s sake. Bill Clinton’s ratings never went that low.
Sounds like standard DLC crap to me. Rahm Emmanuel?
Bob in HI
Jane Hamsher @ 27
Yeah, what did they expect? Everyone who hates the Iraq Occupation saw the ISG for exactly what it was, a masturbatory exercise. And we all knew Bush the Lesser would immediately ignore it, so it served even less purpose. Oh gee, the DFH crowd was right again, huh? It must really peeve the self-appointed intellectual giants like Panetta.
Jane Hamsher @ 27
Yup. The whole reason for the ISG was to give the Boy-King a relatively dignified escape hatch from Iraq. Bush’s response was to call it a “flaming turd”. The American people know that there’s no point in trying to coddle someone like Bush; he needs the Congressional version of the swat on the nose with the rolled-up newspaper.
I voted for Bill Clinton twice. And have no regrets about that. In retrospect, Mr. Clinton was not my kind of Democrat.
I actually have that button…
PW are these DLC talking points via Panetta or from HRC?
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OT In PA. The vote is tomorrow but it looks like I’ll be moving. We made an offer on a house. We shall see. It’s in Sestack’s CD!
Now to plug into the PA Roots group and make some connections.
I remain supportive of our Speaker.
dakine01 @ 15
From wiki
I read that as “legislative asshat”. Go figure.
puppethead @ 33
All of Daddy’s friends got together to slap Junya around and tell him what he really ought to do. Yeah that was gonna work.
Leon does not seem to understand that if congress is Democratic then IF Bush wants ANYTHING passed then HE needs to comprimise! Hi Cassie!
puppethead @ 17
Welcome Senator, is impeachment still off the table?
RevDeb @ 38
Hi RevDeb! What, you moving? MASS won’t be the same.
oddmommy @ 24
Who wrote the column about Dem’s Stalling? Interesting, that on c-span this AM, Pedro used that as his talking point. And limited the callers to Dems. Most callers thought the article was nuts and some wondered why Pedro had wanted to focus on it.
Josh Marshall picks up on the McKay/Wales connection. Calls Wale’s murder an assassination. Links to WaPo.
The plot gets thicker by the day, doesn’t it?
I have often suspected that so-called “Democratic strategists” are actually working for the other side.
They told Gore and Kerry not to say this, not to do that, until both men were utterly paralyzed and unable to be themselves or be honest about who they were. Then the other side derided them for being “wooden”. Strategists advised Kerry not to contest that stolen election, lest he appear to be a “sore loser”. Don’t rock the boat, they said, don’t hurt the party. Think about that next election—just make nice for now, be a good little Democrat, and maybe NEXT TIME….
Dem candidates should all get a backbone—and the first step toward backbone-acquisition ought to be giving old-line party hacks the royal boot. Let’s hear some REAL ideas from REAL people, for a change. And don’t back down when the other side attacks what you’ve said: come back and say it harder.
Oh, fuck The Post.
Corporatist appeasement.
“Nothing to see here, easily swayed electorate! Let the Head Looters In Charge continue with their ordained-on-high malfeasance…and go shopping!“
;>)
Eli @ 36
Maybe its a chicken and egg thing, but I’ve seen the quote on that button in a cartoon (New Yorker?) The setting is a board room table. Sitting around the table are a bunch of men with heads all the same shape except for one, who is leaning back and smiling. The speaker is a very cross-looking person at the head of the table.
Its one of my favorite cartoons.
Bob in HI
pheonix women, this post you authored is SPOT on
since hilary was a guest here I think somebody should get this thread over to her including comments
I’ve said this before;
EVERY time a democrat critisizes the president or vice president, EVERY time they embarrass the administration, that democrats approval rating SOARS
this country YEARNS for the oversite that has been missing from the fascist policies of this administration
for instance, clinton’s stock SOARED when she announced (or re anounced) her proposal to decommision the presidents “war” authority
feingolds approval ratings SOARED when he called the vice president a military moron, when he called the neo fascists that contructed this war military morons
web’s approval ratings SOARED when he EMBARRASED the president
democrats, pay SPECIAL heed, this country NEEDS you and WANTS you to call the fascists in the administation OUT
The reason the DLC does not like progressives and liberals is because they are afraid and know we will come after them should we have the chance and expose this group for what they are.
Eli @ 40
I read that as “legislative asshat”. Go figure.
Bottomline for me is that he is coming at things from an old-time Republican perspective. He’s maybe been a Dem since the early ’70s, but his heart is still Republican and to the right of most of the things I always believed Dems stand for.
darkblack @ 49
I went shopping.
*hangs head*
Jane Hamsher @ 44
Yeppers. All but signed and sealed. That should happen tomorrow. So anytime you are near Philly, you will have to come over. Big house, plenty of room and fenced in yard for the trio.
“So what, exactly, is his major malfunction? Whose agenda is he pushing…”
Clinton’s?
That was a question, wasn’t it?
From where does the DLC get it’s operating money? What does the DLC promote?
TRex @ 54
A boy needs shoes
;>)
Jane Hamsher @ 44
Neither will PA.
;)
oddmommy @ 24
This is what I posted in comments on the Wapo article itself:
Anyone listen to that schmuck Harold Ford on Bill Maher? Sean Penn was so passionate and Harold Ford was like an automaton merging GOP talking points with every trite phrase in the world. The worst lie he told was Al Queada being most of the insurgents in Iraq. Can you believe that remark. Almost makes one glad he lost. Mr DLC himself!
If you look at the Clinton “alumni club” and where they all are now, most of them are working for the corps and lobbyists and making big bucks. Follow the money. They never really did anything while in office to build up the party and certainly tried to find other corp. friendly dems to run rather than real liberals or progressives.
It took me a long time to realize this and I’m pretty well informed. Dems for the most part do not put these pieces together. Most of the voting public doesn’t know the difference.
TRex @ 48
Hemimgway would be proud.
Eli @ 36
So do I. I was goofing around with the macro setting of my new digital camera and hauled out one of my many old buttons.
My desire is to say adios DLC. Who needs ya!?
Phoenix Woman @ 64
I wish I knew what happened to my “Go ahead, chew my clothes off” button…
TRex @ 48
Dude. Gimme a BREAK. This is a one-horse town when it comes to newspapers…..and I’m old enough that I NEED to start my day with some good old fashioned print on my fingers.
Alice B @ 61
Between you, me, and the lamp post, I’m glad he lost. We seem to have made the numbers without him and in any other era he would be a loyal repug.
Just to add:
It lowers expectations about her. Seems her agenda, at times, is a lot like whatshisname.
Jane Hamsher @ 44
we are very jealous of the people of PA. :(
darkblack @ 49
Sounds about right to me. Military-Industrial Complex anyone?
Alice B @ 61
Harold Ford. Don’t. Get. Me. Started.
selise @ 70
Pittsburgh is the most livable city in America, you know.
Leon Panetta is an asshole. I first saw him at constituent greeter he had at a high school in Santa Cruz in the mid ’80s. He was pontificating about the evils of the contras (which I knew well) too a very receptive audience. A Central American fellow stood up to question Panetta’s blanket endorsement of the Sandinistas. Panetta rose up, pounded the table and shouted him down before he could finish speaking. This in front of a totally friendly audience. After the young man had been shouted out of the auditorium, Panetta sat there w/ a look like he had just conquered a great warrior. I left. With friends like that, I thought, who needs enemies.
Panetta is a tame Democrat. That’s why he made it on to the ISG panel.
From the last thread, a transcript of Comey’s press conference on Padilla can be found here:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....s-enemies/
The key quote for me is this:
So Comey didn’t have a case and rather than follow the Constitution he decided a la Jack Bauer that he needed to serve a higher good, one that wasn’t in the job description, one in which the rule of law didn’t play much of a role. I have difficulties in squaring Comey’s image as a straight arrow with this.
Phoenix Woman @ 64
I still have my old McGovern for President button. I also have a “peanut” with the Carter face.
And I have two buttons that are perfect for little boots: hands pointing in both directions and the caption “Forge Ahead!”
TRex @ 54
SPEW Alert
If Senator Clinton wins the WH the DLC will become stronger.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 35
He wasn’t my kind of Democrat at that time, but he was a hell of a lot better than any Republican, and Bill knew how to win.
Phoenix Woman @ 72
The only reason to wish he hadn’t lost is that with him in the Senate the Dems could lock Lieberman in a closet without worrying that he’ll take his ball and go home.
Plus, really, Bob Corker?
dakine01 @ 76
I, um, have a Nixon-Agnew button. I got it second-hand, tho…
closing tags if I can
Ooops! Mixed up my links. The Comey presser is here:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06.....ranscript/
PW, What is your theory as to why Panetta is behaving like he is?
I e-mailed him about a month ago, and while he was polite, he sounded like he thought I was way out in left field.
Leon is warning US and the Dems that Corporate Money which buys advertising is probably thinking about supporting/paying for with advertising Dollars another big Main Stream Media proBush/AntiLiberal media campaign. Unless of course we start “comprimising” and get laws? a budget? maybe more military spending passed? What exactly are the Democrats holding up that his Corporate friends want passed? Or is what concerns him something he does not want the Democrats to pass a reform of Bankrupcy law, Payday loan restrictions? Who is buttering Leon’s toast now? I need a scorecard to keep up with all the fake Dems conflicts of interests!
Eli @ 81
I used to have a sign that I got from McGovern HQ in NYC. It read:
Eli @ 81
I think we may have had one in the house at one time but it was only to save for my brother who had (has?) a polical campaign button collection. He prol’ly does still have it as he seems to have become a total wing-nutter/ditto head.
I plan to hear him speak end of the month at santa Clara University.
IRT Harold Ford: He voted for the Military Commisions Act. I don’t care what party he is. That’s a deal breaker for me.
Mutant Poodle @ 80
We really don’t have to worry about LIEberman taking anything and going anywhere. He is practically irrelevant now and come 2009 he can sit in the corner all by himself and amuse himself because no one else will want to have anything to do with him.
Fortunately Harry Reid knew how to write the organizing resolutions for this Senate to render JoeLIE effectively neutered.
hi again
Loo Hoo @ 84
Loo Hoo, see my comment @ 15. According to wiki, he was a republican and worked in the Nixon admin before switching parties. I said earlier, his heart is not a Democratic heart.
Mr. Panetta sounds strangely like Joe Benedict Arnold Lieberman. Leon has become a scold. He also has no concept at all of the internet.
Ghostman
Hi Cassie!
I am so stinking tired of so called centrist Demos. What is a center Demomcrat anyway? Perhaps a moderate Republican?
Cassandra @ 47
There is a titanic battle going on right now for the soul of the Democratic Party. I agree with your assessment that the DLC was a millstone around the neck of Gore and then Kerry. If Hillary wins the primaries, the DLC will have won.
But the opposition to the DLC is divided. What unity it has is the netroots. People like us. If Obama wins, they will try to seduce him, and may succeed in sucking the lifeblood out of him. They will try to do the same to whoever wins the nomination. They will dangle bundles of money as bait.
Edwards knows the score on this, as does Gore, of course. Edwards has the best ties to the netroots, IMHO. Obama is cultivating a new generation netroots. They have got to have a strategy for dealing with the DLC if they win the nomination that will enable them to resist the siren songs of the DLC.
Bill Clinton’s genius was that he figured out how to use the DLC without being its slave. But even he sold out in a number of ways.
Bob in HI
Loo Hoo @ 84
I wish I knew, Loo Hoo.
RevDeb @ 89 says:
Fortunately Harry Reid knew how to write the organizing resolutions for this Senate to render JoeLIE effectively neutered.
Which may be why Harry acquiesced to HoJo and let him have the Homeland Security committee, knowing that Waxman would be able to take up any slack. I have to believe that Madame Speaker and Mr Majority Leader and their staffs are in VERY close communications.
RevDeb @ 92
Where are you moving to?
Remember, now that the Republicans have sullied their brand, they will try and have Republicans change party and run as Democrats. Easier to win as a changed party candidate than as a f**king republican. I have noticed that the candidates who are running in the local elections here, seem to have the label “Democrat” in big bold letters and Republicans don’t have any label on their ads. I am from Murtha’s District….excuse me for bragging.
dakine01 @ 97
Which may be why Harry acquiesced to HoJo and let him have the Homeland Security committee, knowing that Waxman would be able to take up any slack. I have to believe that Madame Speaker and Mr Majority Leader and their staffs are in VERY close communications.
Yes. St. Henry the WaxMan is the antidote to HoJo. A POWERFUL antidote.
SnarKassandra @ 91
Welcome back. I’ve been lurking and de-lurking - Dodgers are beating the Braves, one of the few teams I like less than the Angelenos. And yes, I live in LA.
SnarKassandra @ 98
Outside of Philadelphia. I met the church youth group last night. Awesome! and I told them about you. Hope you are doing well. Maybe I can steer a bit of traffic to your blog.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 57
The DLC was financed by the strategic plan of Terry McAuliffe. The whole K-Street Lobby idea began with him. Under the Republicans, they took the K-Street Lobby idea and fed it on steroids. DLC represents Big Money.
Bob in HI
SnarKassandra @ 6
Congrats, Snarkassandra,