
(Mexican troops, most of whom were indigenous peoples, defeating the world's most powerful invading army at Puebla.)
Well, hello, Perritos del Fuego! I know, I know, you were expecting Pachacutec. But ya got me.
In honor of Cinco de Mayo, as I mentioned earlier today, here's some Latino-related news and information you probably won't see much of in the national media, which prefers to talk nonsense about Reagan and haircuts. Grab a habanero, the beverage of your choice, and an avocado from the cupboard (it's the magic invisible cupboard off to the left) and follow me!
-- A little background first: Cinco de Mayo in NOT the officially-celebrated Mexican Independence Day; that falls on September 16. What it is, is a day of resistance, in which David overcomes Goliath. Specifically, it's about how Mexican troops under the command of General Ignacio Zaragosa Seguin defeated Imperial French forces in the Battle of Puebla on May 5, 1862. The French would respond by redoubling their efforts to conquer Mexico (which Napoleon III wanted in part as a base of operations from which his allies, the slavery-upholding Confederate elites, could fight the Union in the Civil War), but the Battle of Puebla showed that the French Army -- the most powerful army in the world at the time -- could be beaten, and they were forced completely out of Mexico four years later, leaving behind only the doomed puppet ruler they'd installed, Maximillian -- who would be shot when the victorious forces of the Mexican Republic conquered the last pockets of conservative/foreign-led occupiers a year later. (Hmmmm. I wonder what modern parallels could be drawn from this? Vietnam? Iraq? Hmmmm?)
Here's a description of the circumstances surrounding the battle, which comes via The Unapologetic Mexican:
[After the war between the US and Mexico, in which Mexico was forced to cede much of its best territory,] President Benito Juárez inherited México's troubled political and financial situation, which included a bankrupt Mexican treasury. As a result of these problems, President Juárez issued a moratorium in 1861 halting payments on Mexican foreign debt. Much of this debt was owed to France. Shortly thereafter, France sent troops to México to secure payment of its debt. At the time, the French Army of Napoleon III was considered the premier army in the world. It had enjoyed recent victories throughout Europe and Asia. The French expected to march from the port city of Veracruz to Mexico City without encountering much resistance. President Juárez sent troops, under the command of General Ignacio Zaragosa, to Puebla to confront the French. The Mexican troops consisted almost entirely of indigenous soldiers, much like today. General Zaragosa's troops, outnumbered 4,700 to 5,200, were severely under-equipped. La Batalla de Puebla raged on for two hours, after which time the French were forced to retreat to Orizaba.
-- As noted above, a mighty and technologically-superior army of white European invaders was repelled by a smaller force of Indians fighting for their homeland. By contrast, a bunch of dingbats in Alabama, reeking with upper-class white privilege, formed a militia with the intent to do what the right-wing eliminationist crowd jokingly calls "'Can shooting" ("Mexicans, Africans, Puerto Ricans...."), and stockpiled a huge amount of ordnance with which to do it. These people were/are pretty well funded as these groups go: One of them, the aptly-named Michael Wayne Bobo, is the son of a well-to-do owner of a pest-control company.
-- The Unapologetic Mexican shows you some pictures and video of cops attacking peaceful protesters at the May Day pro-immigrant rally in LA. Funny how the national media, which had their own cameras, somehow missed in real time most of the happenings that the local folk managed to document. (Except, that is, when it was their own people getting beaten up by the cops.) Marisa Trevino of Latina Lista looks at this -- and the police beatings of persons acting to document the events -- in the context of a post on World Press Freedom Day. Brad Blog also has video of the police attacks. Once again, we have the poor and the not-so-powerful standing up to the rich and powerful.
-- Mexico, like so many other nations in the past few decades, was attacked by the privatization virus spread by entities such as the World Bank. And as with other nations, privatization translates locally as "screw the local people for the benefit of the world's elites, whilst cutting the local rulers in on the take so they'll do what the elites want them to do." But even here, with the full weight of the world's hyper-rich looking to get even richer (and using bought-off local elites to carry out their orders), privatization isn't happening without a fight. Charles over at my blog Mercury Rising describes the most recent battles.
-- And because we all need a little magical realism to go with the habaneros and avocados I had you all grab: Let's go shopping with Garcia Lorca.
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zed?
Not quite Zed
damn-both the zed gone & my snarky idea!
Phoenix Woman,
Doubles!
Well if I had to loose; it was to the best!!! As I said earlier, I thinks I should re-name my Zed a “lolo”.
A la victoria en la batalla de Puebla! Feliz Cinco de Mayo, cachorros y cachorras.
Steve @ 6
teeheehee☺
Ed*ard Teller @ 7
Gracias.
Feliz
y gracias PW
I love Mexico and Mexicans. And Mexican food, and music, and DANCE! Plus the language is so pretty.
Mexicans should not be living in poverty. Their country is too rich in natural resources and beauty and the warmth of the people.
I heard Maxiimmilliam stayed behind in Mexico to be captured when the French troops and his wife (who soon went crazy) left. When asked why he stayed behind he said that he would die a king of the Mexicans, now if only Bush had half the courage of that Man! Its obvious they both had only half a brain!
Happy Cinco de Mayo all.
tbsa @ 13
Likewise, and to everybody!
EPU’d from below for SnarKassandra:
SnarKassandra @ 201 asks:
Yes, but we often went about it in a not so great fashion, whether through the street protests, demonstrations or everything else. It was a different time, although not too dissimliar in many ways to today.
From the police riots in Chicago during the ‘68 Dem convention to the anti-war protests that shut down campuses, the killings at Kent and Jackson State, there was a true gulf between the older, WWII generation that had not yet grasped that the government could and would lie to us.
Evening all. Another fine post, PW.
Can the people from that rally sue the police?
There were several press conferences Friday held by lawyers representing people injured in the rally.
Hi PW! Cinco De Mayo, as ‘celebrated’ here, is a marketing event sponsored by Coors as a result of a Latino boycott of Coors beer for discriminatory hiring practices in 1960. At the same time, the nascent Chicano movement was looking for a way to create cultural pride. Coors jumped at the opportunity to get Latino beer-drinkers back, and came up with a megabux marketing plan for Cinco De Mayo.
Informative article here, but requires free registration. I’m glad I did.
Makes me glad I quit drinking.
re: Michael Wayne Bobo.
Why is it that the true nuts always have middle names firmly attached?
As I posted earlier today, Hispanics have a remarkable record of service to this country. Steve Gilliard pointed, out a while back, that the history of “Hispanic” soldiers in WWII has not been documented and now, with the high death rate of WWII vets, probably never will be. Hispanics are quite upset with PBS and Ken Burns because Hispanics are not a part of the upcoming WWII documentary. I read quite some time ago that Hispanics have the highest percentage of combat related awards. Excluding non-Euro-Americans from our history is not by accident or ignorance.
SnarKassandra @ 17
Yes. And they will.
It’s no accident that LA Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa cut short his trip to Mexico — this will have some very interesting ripples throughout CA democratic politics.
OMG…Maybe it’s time we take another look at buying Chinese product. First the pet food, and now medicine.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05.....on.html?hp
SnarKassandra @ 17
Yes. Whether the police prove particularly susceptible to such lawsuits is the thornier question. Remember, the PD has more money to burn on lawyers than the average Joe.
Cassie:
I left you an EPU’d one downstairs. I think you now have about six defintions of “triangulation” from which to choose.
Hooray, hooray, it’s the 5th of May
Outdoor screwing begins today!
SnarKassandra @ 17
Possibly but most likely will be a few months/years of investigations. The investigators will determine that the average cops were not at fault and did nothing wrong. Folks will scream cover-up. Higher ups will make profound statements. A couple of mid-level cop commanders will be re-assigned. Any lawsuits will result in a massive award against the city that will be over turned on appeal and everyone except those actually attacked will feel that all that can be done has been done.
Beautiful! Gracias, hermana! Feliz Cinco de Mayo!
kevoy11 @ 26
huh????
hi,
sorry to break the thread but this is the only place i know that might help.
this morning on Scott the-traiter Simon’s NPR saturday edition show he did an interview with this woman who is supposed to be Iranian and wrote a book about almost getting killed in prision but saved by a guard that feel in love with her and forced her to marry her in exchange for not getting killed. To me the whole thing smells like incubators in kuwait and the embassidors daughter’s story. It seems so contrived and false. here is the link to the story.
http://www.npr.org/templates/s.....Id=9984934
gawd i have grown to hate scott simon and his right leaning scrorrin sweetness - he is so much like the flat-minder thomas friedman……..
EvilDrPuma @ 24
Yes, but the PD doesn’t have nearly as much as the media folks who got caught up in this. LA’s city attorney has no doubt been spending a fair amount of time with the city treasurer, trying to sort out just how much he/she has to deal with when it comes to out-of-court settlements.
Loo Hoo @ 23
Let’s not forget who our banker is.
My Cinco di Mayo margarita has left me unfit for anything but bed.
I would like to see lolo do a post called “Fun with widgits” - but not tonight.
dakine01 @ 27
Rodney King won $3.8 Million in his civil suit against LAPD.
On the other hand, the officers who beat him were all acquitted of criminal charges.
dakine01 @ 15
And it was Democrats who fought any and all Civil Rights progress. It took a Lyndon Johnson who had the dirt on everyone and knew how to bust balls, to push Civil Rights and other social programs. Lyndon drove that wing of the Democratic party into the Republican party; good riddance and God bless Lyndon for doing it.
SnarKassandra @ 29
Guess you’ve got to be a hillbilly to get it. Something we used to say in high school back in the 70’s.
solai @ 31
Oh. You mean all those Treasury notes that the Chinese and Saudis have been buying that make us the largest debtor nation in the world? Those bankers? And how our economy is now run like it was the Brazilian economy of the ’60s?
I can’t find my fucking avocado!
SnarKassandra @ 29
It’s an old Texas saying..they say.
In old times Mexicans and most people praised their enemies bravery, and respected their skill in war. This act had the twin effect of making the decision to go to war a little harder to make. Plus the bigger, badder your enemy the better your victory. Today Bush’s Neocon’s deride their Iraqi enemies as weak and link them to the vile crimes of 9/11 which they did not commit. To a Neocon our enemies must be weak because they are not the same as us and OUR WAY is the BEST WAY.They promise easy victory and the plunder of Iraq’s oil wealth. They insult Arabs and Muslims as subhuman who we should “convert to Christanity” for like the Borg Neocons think safty is BEING THE SAME. To bad the Neocons never tried to learn about and understand their enemy because it was beneath them, to bad we listened to a bunch of Fools who didn’t know anything about the people THEY wanted US to fight.
Hello, everyone!
I wanted to make sure that I didn’t take anyone’s zed. :0)
nezua lim�n xolagrafik-jonez @ 28
Hey! It’s my fave unapologist! I love your site!
Did you all see that one of the injured in the L.A. demonstration was a Fox News Reporter. Hit with a baton, I believe.
Fox Noise is ignoring it. I’m just surprised that they’re not blaming one of the demonstrators.
Russell @ 37
Tommy’s got it. He hid it under the bed when you weren’t looking.
Phoenix Woman @ 43
WHo is Tommy?
nezua lim�n xolagrafik-jonez @ 28
Hola! Good to see you, Nezua!
Steve @ 34 says:
Actually it goes back to Truman integrating the Army and Strom Thurmond leaving to become a “Dixiecrat.” LBJ gave it the big push, and then Nixon jumped in with his “Southern Strategy” to pick-off all the George Wallace voters with his thinly veiled racism (Nixon’s that is - Wallace’s racism wasn’t thinly veiled although it was as much political expedience as it was true racism).
kevoy11 @ 35
I an originally from the middle East Coast, but I still carried an old gray blanket in the back of my VW Beetle.
solai @ 42
Lou Dobbs, in a fit of media solidarity, will no doubt do it for them.
you were expecting Pachacutec. But ya got me.
WHAT A TEAM we have here, love to PW too!
Steve @ 48
Hee-Hee - now you’re talkin’!
The whatever-you-want-to-call-it is going to be investigated. By the FBI. At the request of (most notably) Chief Bratton, who is very unhappy about it.
There are questions about the people who threw the rocks, etc at the police. (At least some people think they were agitators trying to start a riot.)
There are questions about why the police went to batons and rubber (foam) bullets so fast. (My guess is they panicked.)
There are questions about why a lot of on-duty police were pulled out of the area earlier. (I suspect it’s because the rest of the day had been quiet.)
There are questions about why the dispersal order was in English and from a helicopter. (Not the best procedure, in any case.)
From the Northeast. We didn’t have the jingle but all the guys wanted vans. Much more comfy than a Beetle.
Please consider this the don’t quote comments that already have quoted comments within comment.
I just peeked backstage and the looks on the faces of the mods is similar to that of the Queen’s face yesterday when she found out she was sitting next to Death Cheney.
Uh-oh . . . uppity pastors are not happy that Steny Hoyer couldn’t find time to talk to some of his constituents about immigration reform.
Russell @ 37
it’s outdoors . . .
solai @ 53
From the Midwest. You just wanted a boyfriend with a car, back in the day!
SnarKassandra @ 201
I do not recall…Actually I do. And it was a great time, and we mostly had a great time. But then, 300 guys a week were dying in Viet-Nam. Now it is only 30 brave soldiers dying every week for Iraq Oil.
Buenos Noches, Perritos. Feliz Cinco de Mayo. It is also the 11th anniversary of my quitting smoking (YEAH!). Que chingarismo es?
Tomorrow on Face the Nation: Newt Gingrich !
This is why you need to indict the crooks (and send them to jail). So that they will forever be out of the public eye.
dakine01 @ 46
Actually it goes back to Truman integrating the Army and Strom Thurmond leaving to become a “Dixiecrat.” LBJ gave it the big push, and then Nixon jumped in with his “Southern Strategy” to pick-off all the George Wallace voters with his thinly veiled racism (Nixon’s that is - Wallace’s racism wasn’t thinly veiled although it was as much political expedience as it was true racism).
True, which shows that the actions of people need to be judged in the context of their times. By todays standards both Truman and Johnson would be called racists because they used the “N” word a lot and for other reasons.
There is a story,(told by an African American who was at the meeting), that during Detroit Riots, Johnson ordered that the troops not have loaded weapons so that “no old N****r would get shot.
Frank33 @ 57
I’ve got good news and bad news.
Military deaths in Iraq might be down, relative to Vietnam, but the injuries are way, way up. The military medical corps has gotten better at keeping casualties from dying, but that means that the burden on the military medical system, the Veterans Administration, and other support systems is far beyond anything this nation has ever seen.
I forget which is the good news and which is the bad news.
Suzanne @54-
I was afraid that was coming, but I’m too much of a hillbilly to figure out how to comment correctly. Sorry . . . . .
solai @ 59
Why they give that slimy salamander a national platform is beyond me. Although I would love it if he actually ran.
kevoy11 at 8:46 - your comment was an absolutely correct and proper way to comment. Thanks :)
On ‘This Week’ will be John Edwards (hooray) and Tancredo. Now, there’s a study in contrasts. Do you think he’ll be asked if he believes in evolution?
I’ll be watching closely. If Edwards is grilled about his haircut/home/wealth and the nut-job Tancredo is given a pass, I’ll be furious. Again.
SnarKassandra @ 29
Um, certain restrictions apply….
Check with Aunt Betsy. . . . :-)
Bob in HI
Everytime I see Rocky Anderson, he’s kickin MUCH ass. Anyone know if he has any skeletons in the closet, or are we going to see him someday on a much larger stage? Here’s another clip where he shines, and schools Pawn Hannity in the process…
http://www.crooksandliars.com/.....peachment/
solai @ 66
Prepare to be furious (and throw things at the TV).
kevoy11 @ 50
Steve @ 48
kevoy11 @ 35
SnarKassandra @ 29
kevoy11 @ 26
Hooray, hooray, it’s the 5th of May
Outdoor screwing begins today!
huh????
Guess you’ve got to be a hillbilly to get it. Something we used to say in high school back in the 70’s.
I an originally from the middle East Coast, but I still carried an old gray blanket in the back of my VW Beetle.
Hee-Hee - now you’re talkin’!
In mid-winter, the front seats of the Beetle was do-able, but very awkward. I was once caught, by the Federal Park Police, in the same park that Vince Foster killed himself.
(MOD NOTE: I fixed the margin busting quoted comments this time)
Aunt Betsy is the normal one. (Be in love. Be an adult. Be safe.) My brother is the one who wants me to be a nun and not ever sleep with anyone until I am 80.
Phoenix Woman, thanks for this post. And the link to the supermarkets at night — lovely.
Steve @ 69 —- Better go get presents for the mods!
Suzanne @ 64
Steve @ 69, on the other hand . . .
SnarKassandra @ 71
Hard to do, but there are time when it seems like the best idea for all of us.;)
SnarKassandra @ 72
Yeah, Steve, quit quoting quoted quotes.
Flowers will do…
Russell @ 38
Check in all the dark cupboards.
Very interesting graphic comparing the two presidential debates. Note “border” . . fine print vs. boldface.
Russell @ 38
Me either. Although I did find my cuddling avocado.
Rut roh. Cranky mod alert.
I fixed the margin busting comment this time.
jayt @ 20
And too many of them have the middle or first name “Wayne”: John Wayne Gacy, Wayne Williams, Wayne Adam Ford…
Russell @ 38
I’m sure I have some old ones in my fridge… somewhere…
SnarKassandra @ 70
Good for Aunt Betsy!
As for your brother, tell him that after he becomes a monk and moves into the monestary, you’ll think about the convent. And tell him you heard it from a man of the cloth.
Russell @ 38
I can’t find my fucking avocado!
I saw the dog with it about an hour ago.
Peterr @ 62
There is a stress level in Combat-one year of Combat is considered a reasonable limit. These outrageous tours of duty for Iraq, have produced mental illness, and broken military families-unlike any American War, I think. Also, “some people” have suggested casualties have been considerably under reported. For instance, are non-citizen casualties reported?
Valley Girl @ 82
It’s that green hairy thing at the back.
Peterr @ 74
Sorry my bad!! Can I blame senility and the memories from the early 60’s?
Suzanne @ 65
Welcome, Kevoy 11!
bonkers @ 68
Most excellent!
Peterr @ 83
Ha ha ha! He sleeps at his girlfriend’s half the time!
DrDick @ 86
But that describes so many items…
Frank33 @ 85
Also casualties among “mercenaries”.
!Mujer de la Fenix!
Gracias para todos, esta noche y para tus comentarios antes.
!Viva La Revolucion contra los Bushcitos!
A little Late Night entertainment from Los Lonely Boys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....liars.com/
SnarKassandra @ 89
There are girls in the monestary?
[now don’t go quoting this comment again without snipping out the middle . . . don’t want the mods going Darth Cheney on us.]
Frank33 @ 85
This is very sad..but it’s part of republican family values.
“Deployed troops battle for child custody”
http://rawstory.com/showoutart.....nts_at_war
I
don’tthink avocados are an appropriate topic for this blog.With apologies for the drive-by,
some cultural food for thought.
http://www.mexica-movement.org/
Full-disclosure
According to these folks I am illegal.
My wife and daughter ar OK though.
Hopefully our family would be shown the compassion lacking in the debate today.
La Paz and good night.
Y un pocito mas de Carlos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btiO3kHfXc4
Santana: Samba Pa Ti & Oye Como Va
Sorry for the frivolous comment. I *have* been reading the comments above about causalities in Iraq. As part of the VietNam / Nixon generation, I never dreamed we would see worse. And we have. Sometimes it is too depressing to bear.
DrDick @ 99
poquito
SnarKassandra @ 102
Gracias! After a week of grading undergrad term papers my ability to spell has been terminally impaired.
giving computer back to my aunt. see y’all tomorrow. remember to check out the cute animals
First heard of Rocky Anderson when, as mayor of Salt Lake City, instead of welcoming Shrub when the PR Machine rolled through SLC, he led a protest outside the arena!
And just saw some other recent quotes:
“We think if impeachment were ever justified, this certainly is the time.“
“I think the Democratic Party, frankly, has been incredibly timid. And I think that there is a lot of culpability certainly with Congress and certainly with many of the Democrats in Congress.“
And why is this guy not one of our Prez choices right now? We need a “Draft Rocky” site. We’re Gonna Fly Now!
bonkers @ 68
I sent Rocky Anderson a hand-written thank you note. His speech was such a breath of fresh air!
DrDick @ 102
She gets her first Zed, then starts correcting the spelling of professors . . .
AZ Matt @ 93
Thanks very muchly. :-)
DrDick- the cheating students also got me down this week. Any of that plagiarism stuff to deal with?
Peterr @ 107
DrDick @ 102
SnarKassandra @ 102
DrDick @ 99
Y un pocito mas de Carlos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btiO3kHfXc4
poquito
Gracias! After a week of grading undergrad term papers my ability to spell has been terminally impaired.
She gets her first Zed, then starts correcting the spelling of professors . . .
Well, obviously someone needs to.
(MOD NOTE: nested comments removed to fix margins)
SnarKassandra @ 71
“Be in love. Be an adult. Be safe.” –Unfortunately, easier to say than to do. Sometimes being in love involves a bit of loss of control, which in today’s world makes it difficult to be safe. Be careful in your choice of friends, sweetie.
Aloha,
Bob in HI
Valley Girl @ 109
No. They seem to be a pretty honest bunch. I really haven’t had a lot of problems with that over the years. There have been a couple of times, but it is always so glaringly obvious (someone who can barely write a coherent sentence turning in a professional quality paper).
DrDick @ 103
70
97!Dr. Dick! (setting glare to stun)
Suzanne @ 114
Erck! Sorry (looking shame faced at ground and scuffling foot).
kirk murphy @ 112
Priceless!!
DrDick- nothing nabbed from the Toobz?
Peterr @ 78
Nobody will ever convince me that republicans don’t want stem-cell research. I think the desire to live kinda transcends politics. And religion.
Suz- well, you are a stunner…
About the L.A. police and Snarkassandra’s query. It ain’t the first time. Find a copy of Hunter S. Thompson’s compilation ‘The Great Shark Hunt’ It has the article covered by Wike here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S....._in_Aztlan
Happy Mexican Beer Importer Marketing Day!
Valley Girl @ 117
Not that I could tell. Everything generally consistent with the quality and style of writing during the rest of the course (I give essay exams in all the classes that require papers). Now if they would just learn to write.
A poem about a differnt Mexican war sorry I got nothing about this holiday…yet!
I heard the Marines song today…you know the one
“From the Halls of Montezuma “
Great tune catchy isn’t it? Just the kind of song you can sing all day without thinking about the words… but I have to think about the words I’ve been to Chapultopec
The last Mexican Fortress, to surrender the real Montezuma’s Hall mentioned in the song and I’ve seen the statues of the Men and Boys who died there
I heard that when the ammo was gone one Man wrapped himself in the Mexican Flag and threw himself from Chapultopec’s high walls just so that the Americans could not claim that anyone had lived to surrender
The Boy lived a few minutes after the fall
The American Comander saw that he was just a Boy and said I would never have fought If I had known that the solders I was fighting were so young
The Boy said that if I had one more bullet left you would not be standing here now
I wonder why the Marines never mention their opponets bravery in their song?
Maybe because if our Marines thought that their opponets were noble and brave and that they had both a Mother who loves them and a Girl back home waiting for their safe return
just like our Marines Do
then maybe noone would go to War?
And of Course we can’t have that now can we
Victory in Iraq = Peace before Bush’s Pride, We made a mistake and now us and unfortunatly Israel have to live with the consequences, delaying a troop pullout is just making things worst!
Peterr @ 62
I’ve got good news and bad news.
Military deaths in Iraq might be down, relative to Vietnam, but the injuries are way, way up. The military medical corps has gotten better at keeping casualties from dying, but that means that the burden on the military medical system, the Veterans Administration, and other support systems is far beyond anything this nation has ever seen.
I forget which is the good news and which is the bad news.
….. Been thinking that this might ought to be one of the keys to arguing the war: Mr. President, you’re subjecting our soldiers and their families to a lifetime of suffering. How much are you willing to fund over the next 50 years for mental stress?
A special tribute to our laser-eyed mod.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQw5AFUE1qk
Good evening. I see that my dating rules have made the thread. Lovely. :)
What is 7097?
Feliz Cinco de Mayo
Hey VG. That made me laugh. Doncha know that I’m old?
DrDick- if you don’t mind saying, what do you teach?
Valley Girl @ 117
[protecting himself, looking sideways at everyone in the room] Nobody better steal anything off me! I’m watching you VG, and you too Kirk!
Suzanne @ 54
If you need a visual . . .
“Don’t even think about it, Mr. Vice President — whatever it was you were thinking about.”
SnarKassandra @ 71
Be in love … to have s*x … how quaint, like the Geneva Conventions. *g*
Happy Cinco de Mayo everybody !!!
Valley Girl @ 128
Anthropology (cultural).
What if the new war-funding bill included a requirement that x-percentage went to ongoing care over a soldier’s lifetime for PTSD?
SnarKassandra @ 70
Men are much more overprotective that way.
There was a little more to it than that, but a good summary. Quaint but still what I believe.
Texas Betsy @ 126
The nine had a strike-through — a 707 with a typo correction: 70
97And yes, they are lovely dating rules.
The New York Times ain’t letting up editorially on Gonzo:
LINK
EPU’d from previous thread:
Ed*ard Teller @ 199
Thanks for this.
Cassie, this is very important for understanding the national politics of the late 1990s. Clinton was a pragmatist, and Triangulation is how he did his pragmatism. The Republicans hated him for that. They interpreted is pragmatism as a lack of principles, and that is why the whole Monica scandal (sorry, Cassie– different Monica (Lewinsky); not Monica Goodling) confirmed their interpretation that Clintonian pragmatism was immoral. However, looked at another way, Clinton had a gift for reflecting the will of the people, in stark contrast to the Republicans, who don’t care what the public thinks. They would say it is because they are standing on their “principles.” Only now we are finding out what their real principles are.
Bob in HI
PS tonight we are honoring the life of Don Ho. If you want to understand something about Hawaii, tune into Channel 9 (KGMB) on the Internet for the next few hours.
Texas Betsy @ 135
Good advice. Pretty much what I told my son. Seems to have worked on the whole.
Steve @ 39
I’ve always heard it as the first of May, but most of the people I hear it from are pagans, so the first is a holiday (Beltaine.)
Somehow this seems appropriate to our discussion this evening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIW2Teg4F6k
Got to call it a night. See you all later.
Thanks, Peterr. My daughters are well acquainted with “the look”. Found it and my “mad mom” voice to be very effective when I was working the streets.
Peterr @ 142
Night Peterr. Sleep the sleep of the just.
Mod alert — the zig created by the YouTube linky @99 and @102 and @110 is busting the margins.
Peterr @ 142
Good night Peterr
Suzanne @ 143
We learn it in teacher training as well. :)
Valley Girl @ 101
How have we been able to deal with this? Myself, I guess I just say to myself that I have done everything that I can do, within my power, to stop it.
The Bush Administration has done everything within its power to make it invisible. No “news” of fighting. No caskets. No follow-up on Walter Reed. Nothing. Except death and wounded and bills.
Night night Peterr!
Suzanne @ 127
But, but.. the most popular escorts at Ms. P’s place were in their 50’s… and I’m sure that the next most popular age range was 40’s… and, those ball point pens you like… well..
Valley Girl @ 128
Forgot to ask. How about you?
Loo Hoo- oh, you are so right about BushCo. doing its sorry best to make it invisible.
How ’bout a Protect Our Vets stipulation — for every dollar that goes to the battlefield, $2 goes toward post-war aid. How could the president argue against that?
-ck- @ 144
Fixed - everyone reload. This is a perfect example of why I ask that you do not quote a comment that has a link embedded within.
A little something from Los Lobos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmgfLI1NBe8
Texas Betsy @ 147
There is a similar look that Cassie needs to learn. Its the look that says, “Don’t even think of touching me, you creep! If you do, I think I’m gonna throw up!” Its a very useful “look” to learn.
Bob in HI
Un poquito mas de Los Lobos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgCmKm6tO8w
DrDick- biology. neurobiology. I was just so put out of sorts by the cheating episode aka academic misconduct. I shared the course with a newbie prof, and he was there to start them on the final, me to be there for the second half. He let students sit right next to each other during the final. What a dumb idea. So, a student came to me during the exam (2nd part), describing how 2 students were tag team cheating. So, I have to deal with this fallout, bec. the report was made to me. He was shocked! that this could happen. He said- “has this ever happened to you? I thought the honor code meant the honor code.” Yeah, well, so it’s never happened to me, but I don’t ever let students sit right next to each other during an exam… (sorry, just venting…)
Other Pat @ 124
Considering that his the “plan” by which he claims to be on track to cutting the deficit in half has the VA budget staying constant through next year and then declining, I think it’s clear the answer is “nothing.”
Yet another example of the conservative “you’re on your own” philosophy at work.
Bob Schacht @ 156
The one my pappy taught his girls was, “Touch me and I’ll kick your jewels so hard, you’ll throw them up!”
Gandhi he was not.
“Oh the humanity…” May 6th, 1937
Valley Girl @ 158
I work in a HS and I can relate to your frustration.
Valley Girl @ 158
I definitely understand. While it has happened, it has never been a major problem for me. On the other hand, “honor codes” seem almost quaint these days. The GOP ethics seem to have infected far too many of our youth.
Petrocelli @ 160
The one my pappy taught his girls was, “Touch me and I’ll kick your jewels so hard, you’ll throw them up!”
Gandhi he was not.
I like your pappy, he is a man after my own heart.
Texas Betsy- sometimes you just have to save them from doing stupid things- like, don’t give them the chance to do stupid things like cheating on exams.
My father was so proud of me giving the first boy to kiss me a bloody nose.
He bragged about that for many years.
A little something on tonight’s topic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-5wveNPFq0
Valley Girl @ 165
I mentor new teachers and that is definitely stuff we talk about early on.
Suzanne @ 166
Hmmm. And you say you have children. Obviously a brave man around somewhere.
DrDick @ 164
I like your pappy, he is a man after my own heart.
He was the least religious and most spiritual I’ve ever met.
Suzanne @ 166
How old were you at the time?
DrDick @ 169
… or a bloody fast one … *g*
DrDick- I was thinking that too about GOP ethics. But, it’s also a matter of “authority” in the classroom, if you know what I mean. My students like me, but they know I am not a patsy. My newbie co-teacher has a lot to learn. However, cheating has become a huge problem on my campus. Cultural? GOP? I don’t know.
TB I was just turning 13 and was quite the tomboy at the time. It was truly an instinctual reaction, which is why my dad loved it.
Unfortunately, within a short time, that particular instinct was replaced by different one.
This evening’s midnight snack in honor of Cinco de Mayo. Buen provecho!
Valley Girl @ 173
I know that the attitudes and expectations of my students are a lot different than they were when I was in college. They seem more interested in getting a credential and less in actually learning anything. Students think nothing about arriving late or leaving early (in my day there were professors who actually locked the doors during lectures). It is not so bad in my upper division courses, but it used to drive me nuts in my introductory courses. I finally just gave up on it.
Suzanne @ 174
… um … beating them with a billy club … or tasering them? *g*
Texas Betsy @ 175
Muy delicioso!
And for desert:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co0E6T_zFwU
Petrocelli @ 177
Personally, I’m thinkng whips, chains, and leather goods.
Petro, that one made me laugh. Woke up the cutest dog in the world who was sleeping in the chair next to me.
dakine01 @ 15
STOP, the above compresses a decade, and does not credit where credit is due.
“We often went about it… riots in Chicago… killings in Kent State…”
Democrats did not pillage. Democrats were not victims.
But Democrats were still NOT Heroes.
Democrats did not step up and keep Meteor Blades out of jail.
Democrats did not keep my first grade son from asking me why bombs were exploding on campuses and Federal Buildings across this country.
The ANTI-WAR movement of the 1960s was not a Democratic movement.
Goldwater (and don’t ever forget that Hillary was a Goldwater Girl) wanted to bomb North Korea and China… so the Republicans and Kennedy (who wanted to give the French an easy out from Viet Nam) were NOT a HELL of a lot different.
The Republicans and the Democrats BOTH wanted war in Indochina. They were angry that Korea had been indecisive and both wanted “closure” for WWII in indochina… with western troops considered victors.
The Anti-War Movement was independent of BOTH Democratic and Republican machines.
I’d been raised Republican (Goldwater) but I saw Lyndon Johnson’s stance was buncombe too, and i’ve never been registered as anything but INDEPENDENT since.
Cassie, the sixties were a Democratic pulse, but go back to the New Deal for real substance.
And then there is Franklin… “A Democracy, madame, if you can…”
Loo Hoo @88
Hi! Thanks for the welcome. I hang around ALL the time, but don’t comment much. Maybe I better keep to myself, since I don’t know what I’m doing in the comments.
Dr Dick, you keep talking like that and before you know it, CT will be asking me to cuff him again.
Suzanne @ 180
Oh so you’re saying my jokes are funny tonight? Must be the Daquiris! Ole !!!
Suzanne @ 180
Cutest dog? Hold on a second, Suzanne!
kevoy, nope, once you comment, you can’t go back to lurking.
your are doing fine with your comments. if you have any question about how to do something, just ask :)
Latest Newseek Poll is gonna give goopers terminal heartburn. Clusterfuck has sunk to his lowest JAR EVER in that poll.
More discouraging for bright eyed goopers- EVERY dem candidate beats EVERY gooper president to replace Clusterfuck!!!
Pretty incredible.
We’ll see if this holds up. If it does, it’s probably because of the Clusterfuck veto on the Iraq bill- which is REALLY scary news for a gooper. If dems just keep making him veto- goopers could be at the center of the earth by autumn.
Suzanne if you email a pic of the dog to me or Cass she will post it with the others on her page. She has RonD’s pup Penny on there.
Here’s Los Lobos covering “Bertha”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4OEYOAftwU
kevoy11 @ 182
None of us do my friend, welcome.
Can I ask the teachers something? Did any of you ever cheat in High School? Maybe not on an exam but copy someone’s homework, rework an old paper you had written….anything???? I was a good student, but was certainly not so honorable that I didn’t ‘collaborate’ on homework once in a while.
lolo got the ZeD☼ new thread
Petrocelli @ 190
Comment anyway. This is a friendly bunch.
DrDick- by “authority” I didn’t mean anything like enforcing authority. And, I long ago decided that you can’t force students to learn. You can only do your best to teach them. All I can do is start my lectures on time- and, like you, ignore the late comers in large classes. Tho, in small classes, I have been known to say, if there are several latecomers, so, hey there, welcome, good morning.
lolo @ 192
lolo, you ARE the ghost in the machine.
solai @ 191
Yes I did. Did many things in HS I am not proud of.
kevoy11 @ 182
Just speak your mind. It’s really kewl! here.
I’ve got Token’s picture on my blog, TB. His picture is what I use for my pic in the about me.
Valley Girl @ 194
Yeah. Again, I do not have much problem with my smaller classes. Pretty much all the BS comes in the big sections. The students who take my upper division classes generally want to learn something (helps that I have a reputation for being hard and requiring a lot of reading).
Suzanne @ 198
Very, very cute!
solai @ 191
Nope. Actually never occurred to me. On the other hand, school was always easy for me. My biggest problem was staying interested.
DrDick @ 201
Sounds like two of the young people in this house.
Hi, Petrocelli @190 -
Maybe I’ll get the hang of it someday. In the meantime, I’m heading up to read TRex.
solai @ 191
I’m a yoga/meditation teacher … not sure if you’re asking me, but I would like to answer, if I may.
When I was very young - 11 or 12 - I read a quote by Thomas Macaulay, “The measure of a man’s real character is what he would do if he knew he would never be found out.”
I’ve never forgotten it since.
kevoy11 @ 203
Kevoy, if you come back to read this, that was perfecto !
Petrocelli @ 205
I snuck back to take a peek. Thanks!
Petrocelli-
I had heard that general thought before, but didn’t know the source. Thanks.
I was thinking back to HS. In retrospect, knowing what I know now, I may have been guilty of plagiarism in once reworking some paragraphs from a library book, about the history of railroads in the US. But, I was so confused about the detailed language, that I had to use a lot of the phrases. It was innocent at the time.
The problem with the Bushies, is that when they are found out, they have no shame. Lying comes easy, when they are found out.
As much as I like the Macaulay quote, there is another dimension to BushCo. et al- so, I would add, the measure of a man’s real character is what he would do “when” he is “found out”, if you see what I mean.
Valley Girl @ 207
I found this great quote that sums up Bush & Co.
Character is doing the right thing when nobody’s looking. There are too many people who think that the only thing that’s right is to get by, and the only thing that’s wrong is to get caught. - J. C. Watts
Petrocelli-
Thanks again. Glad I stayed up to read your latest contribution to the “quotes”. Yes, that pretty much speaks to BushCo.
Off to bed, now. VG
Oh heck Valley Girl - just got here - and good on you for giving that teacher something to think about - sleep well.
newspaperbrat @ 210
Hey npb, we’re at TRex’s thread.
well as someone who has spent a great deal of his life to this subject, I can only exclaim my how little has been explained. But this is not the place for deeper discussion of what was happening then and I know this is a political site not one of history, but so some of what has been said is, in need of further explanation. it is easy to make a statement but in the flush of debunking make sure you are right, or as I stand ready say I’m wrong now that’s some thing some folks can’t do. But what would an old archaeologist have to say about this
DrDick @ 176
Locking doors is a bit unfair when even when you GIVE yourself enough time to get there? The urban student parking lot is hard to even get into. With no other options but to wait so you can even park your car. I was pissed off at one of my music Profs for doing that. I can understand the dedication and discipline of it.
I was in choir for years before college, but ye gods. It’s crazy trying to get around traffic and having leave almost 2 hours early to beat said traffic for a one hour course that i managed to get locked out of several times anyway because i just could not get parked and run to class in time! That’s not dedication–that’s insanity.
Peterr @ 49
There were also several Telemundo reporters beaten…and the President of Telemundo is a BIG Bush Pioneer!
You know, I’m glad there has been awareness to the plight of immigrants working here.
While we in the US enjoy their smiles and graciousness in light of the negative nastiness of some like those Alabama fools, their Mexican government is continuing to keep them back by not providing social programs that would help that beautiful country’s people. They would rather be in their nation than in the US if only there were opportunities to work and provide for their families. But I digress.
Excellent piece. I think the more accurate term is “cachorros de fuego” aka firepups.
Normally I just skim this blog but anyone who says grab a habanero and follow me has my complete attention ;).