I mentioned earlier my objection to the way in which Brian Williams phrased his abortion question to the Democratic candidates during the first debate (whereas the GOP candidates got lightly scented, gift-wrapped soft balls). Bob Somerby looks even deeper into Williams' hackery:
[H]ow about this astounding question to Edwards, concerning that recent Supreme Court decision:
WILLIAMS: Our most recent NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll indicated a majority of Americans approved of last week's Supreme Court decision to make so-called partial birth or late-term abortions illegal.
Most of the people on this stage put out statements and criticized the ruling. A lot of American families find this just a hideous topic for a discussion.Is this a case, do you think, of the Supreme Court and the public with opinions in one place, and yet a lot of elected officials [i.e., Democrats] in another?
Good God! Unfortunately, that question has so many glaring problems it’s hard to get them all straightened out.
First, of course, Williams’ use of the term “partial-birth abortion” was a political choice. That’s the language of conservative pols, not of medical people. Beyond that, Williams’ conflation of “partial-birth” and “late-term” abortion was one of the many conceptual blunders the handsome hunk would author this evening. So-called “partial-birth abortion” is only one form of “late-term abortion;” the terms are not interchangeable. Yes, it’s a fairly minor point. But in the course of the debate, Williams would make many small blunders like this, as we will point out below.
But the most remarkable part of this question to Edwards was the section where Williams informed the world that “a lot of American families find this just a hideous topic for a discussion.” With this statement, Williams put his thumb firmly on the scale, producing an absurdly “loaded” question. Almost surely, his statement was technically accurate; the vagueness of the phrase “a lot” is very useful in spinning such matters. But once again, Williams had his thumb firmly on the scale as he offered this highly-charged aside. In this question, the word “hideous” played the same sort of role that “treasonous” had played earlier on. It served to put an obvious political slant on an otherwise valid question.
“American families” found this thing “hideous!” Edwards had criticized the Court’s decision—and here was Williams, plainly saying that this put him, and his fellow Democrats, severely at odds with these families. After all, “a majority of Americans” approved the Court’s decision, Williams said at the start of his question. But uh-oh! There too, he was tilting his presentation. In fact, he was making a claim about that new NBC poll that is just untrue.
In fact, it isn’t clear from that NBC poll that “a majority of Americans” agree with the Court’s new ruling. In its poll, NBC asked about the ruling in two different ways. And as NBC’s results clearly show, when pollsters mentioned the lack of “an exception for the health of the mother,” the public favored the Court’s ruling by a very slender plurality; 47 percent favored the ruling, 43 percent opposed it. (For poll results, click here.) Indeed, only 50 percent favor the ruling when results from NBC’s two questions are combined. But so what? Williams built an aggressive framework around his question, putting Edwards on the defensive. In his next question, he repeated his framework, asking for Obama’s “reaction to most of the public agreeing with the court’s holding.”
“American families” think this whole thing is “hideous!” Aside from that, Mr. Edwards, how do you like your opposition to this new, highly popular ruling?
What do you expect from a guy who thinks Rush Limbaugh hasn't had his due. I might actually say that myself, though I doubt we mean the same thing.
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As Eric Boehlert pointed out at Media Matters, Brian Williams makes $14 million a year, lives in a mansion in a ritzy neighborhood, and drives a sports car. No way he pays $10 for a haircut!
Zed?
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Aargh! ;)
OT zed,
… and she stayed at a Holiday Inn last night
Phoenix Woman @ 1
I didn’t see until your post went up that you had the same Daily Howler link. Lots of Somerby love today.
Good evening everyone.
The media’s unswerving dedication to fairness and objectivity is demonstrated by the fact that both the Democratic and Republican debates had right-wing shills for their moderators.
KO – the repub debate = political seance (sp?)
EPUd:
The Alaska legislature is considering suspending activities until the current set of raids in Juneau is over. Wasilla Representative Vic Kohring, who so far today has evaded FBI teams at his Juneau and Wasilla offices, was last seen driving toward Mt. McKinley in a white Bronco. No, not THAT white bronco.
links coming soon.
Phoenix Woman @ 1
I pay $10 for a haircut and I’m BALD! The ONE haircut I got in Manhattan cost me $35 and was 25% off (supposed to be 10% but I mentioned the place outside Albany where I could get half price, not that I was driving to Albany just for a haircut…)
S.O.S. from MA @ 2
Just an FYI – several firepups do not have photos w/their entries. I found that I had to upload my doggy twice for it to “take”. Could that have happened to yours? Just sayin’. Not that I’m a psycho-stalker that needs people’s photos or anything…
Phoenix Woman @ 1
That putz makes $14 million a year? And ratings for the newscasts are going into the toilet? NBC isn’t getting their money’s worth, that is for sure.
BTW Jane, I think an appropriate name for the “gentleman” is The Odious Brian Williams.
OT – KO is covering the 600 empty seat prayer meeting that was hosted by Guckert/Gannon with Milbank.
I think you’re right, there was a big difference between the chummy, congenial questions in the Republican debate and the silly theatrics of the Democratic debate. I actually don’t mind softball questions this early in the game, let’s give the candidates a chance to speak for themselves, but if that’s good enough for the Republicans, it’s good enough for the Democrats too.
The one thing that stood out for me besides the congenial let’s bomb everybody next fourth of july atmosphere was how they kept the questions at quite a snappy pace. No time to stick one’s foot in one’s mouth although it was attempted.
I didn’t watch either of the debates (it’s waaay too early) and I buzz cut my hair.
Answers to questions nobody asked.
Okay, so when the dems are practicing for the debates, they need to learn to respond first by stating the bias of the question. Then answer the question using their own terms.
Loo Hoo @ 16
They need some prep from Dr. Dean.
What drives me nuts about Williams (and his ilk) is that he’s a well-educated, worldly, experienced professional and it’s his job to seek truth and tell it, yet he’s either a fan of or outright endorses Rush Limbaugh. There is simply no excuse for this. What reason, aside from tremendous greed and an overwhelming sense of superiority would bring a man with such obvious talent to such a despicable place? I don’t get it.
What time do we find out who was payin’ for the whooooaaahhh’s?
Jay @ 18
You need more?
Eli @ 6
Dave Broder got raked over the coals today.
Somewhat. I would have liked to add to that discussion (i.e. what about the Americans who voted for Gore in 2000 in larger numbers than those who voted for shrub, and were rewarded by a radical right wing regime?), but I was at work. And my laptop at work spies on me.
Loo Hoo @ 16
Yeah, they really need to challenge the questions a little more. I notice Mitt gushed about how he loved America when asked what he hated most, and another guy (forget which red tie it was) said I don’t want to answer that question, I want to answer this one on Iran (to that effect)so he could agree that he wanted to bomb the crap out of them too.
Jay @ 18
Given that IIRC, Williams was one of Imus’s enablers, it is no surprise to see that he admires LimpBalls.
Eli @ 17
Bingo. I was just thinking about exactly that because of something outrageous Chris Matthews said last night that really got me steamed. (b/w)
Phoenix Woman @ 1
I think this is exactly why the MSM sucks up to the right. Socioeconomically, they’re the same. People who make millions of dollars a year have different problems than the majority of americans. They don’t have to worry about medical care, child care, how to pay for college, etc.
As a broad generalization, Reps address the interests of the MSM (at least the MSM people who determine which stories to tell and how to tell them).
Eli @ 19,
I guess not, it’s just incredibly disappointing.
Helen @ 7
And; ‘the Ten whitest men you’ll ever meet!’ LOL!!! Evening, Fire Pups!!! ;)
dakine01 @ 22
Speaking of Limpballs … I just signed up over at that wingnut equivalent to YouTube .. I am gonna upload all sorts of stuff embarassing to the wingnuts … and my handle … DickCheneyownsTimRussert …. lol
Alaska Legislator Vic Kohring (R-Wasilla) quietly turned himself in to the Feds in Juneau at noon today. For some reason, the Feds kept his surrender quiet for over four hours. Two former legislators were arrested this morning. Many more arrests are expected, including that of Veco Alaska CEO Bill Allen, the most powerful GOP behind-the-scenes player in the state, and of the former president of the Alaska Senate, Ben Stevens, son of US Sen. Ted Stevens.
Interestingly, the Feds have had all the information contained in the idictments since last summer, have had a GJ convened in the matter since last spring, but the indictments are just coming down now.
Jane, loving your work today
his post is exactly what we need to start getting the democrats to do;
re frame the debate to the correct terms, NOT the republican terms
when they say;
“partial birth abortion” we say;
“are you nuts?…it’s NOT “partial birth abortion” it’s the “life saving technique used only when neccessary”..what, are you some kind of marionette that just repeats the lies puppeteers put into your mouth?”
hehe…not so dramatic but you get the idea, we have to ATTACK them where they CLAIM the high ground, we have to demonstrate the principle they make believe they stand on becomes the exact opposite
for instance, when they say “republicans want to fight terrorism” we say;
“then why the HELL are you supporting the man that ABANDONED the fight against terrorism, why the HELL are you supporting the man that CREATED terrorists with his DEPRAVED decisions AND HE WAS TOLD HE’D BE CREATING TERRORS-TS?”
we have to attack them at their very base principles and BURDEN their claims with the facts but presented in an ATTACK against what they claim they stand for
bing..embarras their claims so they don’t use the lie again
jane thank you for your perserverance.
dakine and ok kiddo thank you for your comments in the previous thread on this subject. you guys have a place in my heart with your posts on this subject–deep love sent your way.
i am directly involved in this subject
my father approached me about an abortion after being raped–which he knew nothing about-he only knew i was pregnant-he took me for a late term abortion. i was 17…….i knew nothing, i didn’t know what the hell happened to me…….i was taught not to talk….i was numb…i was raised in an atmosphere that it all looked pretty…….and you kept your mouth shut…….i had no idea what was going on…….i was 17……..i asked the nurse what sex the fetus was, and she acted like i was crazy……it was the circumstance, and the times.
you can’t tell me that moneyed republicans haven’t taken their daughters for the same abortion i had………my dad held my hand, took care of me at the cleveland clinic which offered it……..any money could buy it, i thought at the time, what happens to people who can’t afford it? my life changed then…….not because of regret, but because of the dichotemy(sp?) of what is available………..
i later became pregnant and gave him up for private adoption, i was never supposed to be a parent, i felt, i make a much better aunt……..and have no regrets either way…….i often thought, what is the matter with me that i have no regrets? my best friend said when you make the right choice, you have no regrets, that must be it.
so, i’ve seen both sides, and they ought to both be available, it was my choice, either way.
thanks to all of you who fight for the right of choice, i made the choice both ways, and it was my right to do so………..
Why did Williams ask such a hideous question, especially under the roof of his Alma Papa?
CTuttle @ 26
I don’t want them to be white men. I want to find a way to classify them as something entirely different that I can justify being prejudiced against.
Probably OT: If you live in West Coast Florida and you’re free tomorrow afternoon, we plan to “greet” Karl Rove in a vocal, robust fashion. He’ll be at the Best Western in Punta Gorda around 4 PM.
Please tell FL friends. We’d like Karl to know how we feel about him and his works!
Ed*ard Teller @ 28
Sounds like Teddy the Hulkster may have been busy!!!
EvilDrPuma @ 32
Umm… Republicans?
Ed*ard Teller @ 28
what did these people do? Alaska news is a bit scarce here in Dixie….
Eli @ 35
Now we’re cookin’!
Ed*ard Teller @ 28
The GOP: one ginormous criminal conspiracy. The DoJ has been really lacksadaiscal about those corrupt California Redubyacans, as well.
I guess we all know why.
If the media couldn’t speak in talking points, they would be mute.
I think that if a question had been asked: Do you think that legally permitted abortions for medical reasons should be left to a woman and her doctor? the result might have been different.
Williams is as clueless as most people are in the media about medical issues. He fails to understand that delivery of a terminated fetus is still legal as is the regular dilation and extraction and neither is for the faint hearted. Nothing surprising there, most surgeries are not for the squeamish.
Nor does Williams understand that both of the currently sanctioned alternatives are probably more dangerous than the now prohibited Intact Dilation and Extraction.
In other words, Williams is a dope. He simplifies and distorts the issue to the point of caricature. It’s what most journalists do nowadays.
EvilDrPuma @ 32
Not enough attention is paid to the plight of the rich white man!
DING DING DING!
This is especially true for the ones in broadcast/cable media.
((((((dmac))))))
EvilDrPuma @ 32
I thought it was already hashed out, Alien Excrement, or something along those lines….!!!
Zee @ 40
If it were, “socialism” wouldn’t be a dirty word in this country.
Governor Palin’s press release.
tip of the iceberg…
my 30-
you wouldn’t believe how hard it was to finally spit that out…..
you couldn’t speak out for years…….
demonized.
bumper stickers, billboards……..
time for people to say what all happened during those years and thank those that made abortion legal and safe.
i had a friend annie, older than me, now deceased, who had a back alley abortion and was sterile because of it……sick for months from it……..i never forgot her telling me about it……..for her, and for me, i scream, stand strong for healthy termination of pregnancies where necessary.
Phoenix Woman @ 41
while they might not have to worry about health care and education for now but if the fascists have their way it won’t be true for their children
the fascists want a robber baron economics, they want the haves, the have nots and that’s it…no have mores, just haves and have nots
they DESPISE public education, they DESPISE 40 hour work Weeks, they DESPISE retirement, they DESPISE public roads, public water, public ANYTHING
and if the “neuvoux rich” don’t figure that out soon their children will become members of the have nots
they WANT to be able to charge usery rates for money, they NEED to be able to collect debt from heirs even if no assets exist, they HATE debt relief
they LOVE taxes on everyone but themselves, they HATE the middle class
EvilDrPuma @ 44
One Stat: Top 1% : 50% of Wealth!!! Ding, Ding!!!
I just found out that I’m not getting PBS tonite. I called my cable company because Moyer’s at 9:00 tonite wasn’t in the guide…they told me the provider didn’t order it. In order for me to get PBS, they have to send in a waiver. They told me to call them back in 45 days. Is this normal for anyone else?
Doverbitch at 27-
Wow. I didn’t stick around to hear tweets.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 27
provide links when you can pleeze
Jacqrat @ 10
Thx for the Q, but imho we shouldn’t discuss FDL map stuff here in the “regular FDL.” That’s why there’s a separate discussion area — you can get to it by clicking here. I’ll repeat your question there, and answer it :)
EvilDrPuma @ 44
One Stat; Top 1% : 50% of net Wealth!!! Enuf said!!!
In order to get a fair hearing from Brian Williams, the Dem candidates would each have to mail their positions (in the form of a multimedia manifesto) to the NBC studio, then go on a murderous rampage.
dmac, totally your choice and it was the right one for you. Your dad loves you big time.
dmac @ 46
{{{{{{{{{{dmac}}}}}}}}}}
Your story is one of the reasons I believe as I do. And unfortunately, too many other old white guys feel exactly the opposite which is why we’re getting back into this mess.
Abortions have always gone on. I grew up in a small town in KY and know that some of the doctors were performing them. Money usually had a bearing. I’ve had family members who gave a child up and had the abortion both although at different times of life. It was one of the items that has to be in the category (to me) of a “nunya” as it is one of the most intensely personal decisions that anyone can make.
I’m glad/proud that I can help provide some small measure of moral support to you.
dmac @ 46
Sweetie – see me at 42. And what else do you need from us? I agree with you. While I have not been through what you have been -I am a much better Aunt than I ever could have been a mother. Thank the Goddess that I realized that early on. Who said it first? “Abortion on demand, without excuse and without apology”
Pat9 @ 33
Punta Gorda? For what?
OK, I got this crazy perfect world idea for ‘debates’.
Tape two at the same time Dems/Repubs. Then run them back to back, no editing.
The questions have to come from a variety of sources, determined by some random lottery process, and the same damn question, phrased the exact same way, has to be asked at both debates concurrently. The candidates could answer questions by another random draw. Details could be fiddled with.
Maybe then we could get some data similar enough to compare with some confidence.
Oh, and all video must be released under a Creative Commons license within three hours.
OK, Ok, I know no candidate, let alone a media outlet, would ever agree to some scheme like this, but it’s been a few lovely days of May, and there’s so much going on with a Democratic Congress, I’m just a little giddy.
CTuttle @ 48
It appears that my use of the “s” word got that comment into moderation. See what I mean? At least I can still say “fuck.”
ccmask @ 49
What new fuckery is that? Where do you live ccmask? Makes me feel guilty – here on the Monterey coast we get SF & San Jose public channels.
Ed*ard Teller @ 45
Keep us posted!
newspaperbrat @ 61
Florida. Where else?
((((((dmac)))))))
Words fail me.
Loo Hoo @ 49
I went out for a while, but left the tape recording. Then, when I played it back to write up some observations late last night, I heard him say that.
He’s actually done it before. A few days after that interview with Dean, he interviewed Jimmy Carter and told him that Dean said the Democrats were “no longer the pro-choice party” because Dean wouldn’t let him frame the conversation.
But after complaining that Dean wouldn’t accept the label, he then referred to his conversations with Ken Mehlman, where he complained that we would be “better off if we didn’t have the pro-life crazies and the pro-choice crazies.”
Direct TV
oddmommy @ 36
During Republican ex-governor Frank Murkowski’s 2005-2006 push to force the Republican state legislature to accept his big oil-crafted natural gas pipeline legislation, the biggies called upon their major Alaska-based power broker, Veco, to do the dirty work. Their CEO, Bill Allen has been notorious for years in his bragging of “owning” the legislature. He was finally taped, along with some of his minions, bribing a number of GOP legislators, telling one of them – after accepting the bribe – “I own your ass.”
Last year, as the indictments were about to start coming down right before the election, the HQ for the investigation was moved from the Alaska US Atty office to DC, where it was put under the control of Alice Fisher – before her promotion to head the DOJ criminal division (that term has even MORE recently been redefined, eh?). From August 2006 until now, the investigation and grand jury activity appeared to be languishing, but?
EvilDrPuma @ 60
Say it loud, say it proud, doc.
If I pay $79.00 a month, why do I have to talk to a girl from another country about PBS and then wait 45 days for them to plug me in.
OT
The national average price for regular gasoline today is $3.012.
The highest price last year (you know when we were all freaking out) was $3.036 around August 10, 2006.
The highest price ever was $3.057 on September 5, 2005.
We’re already in the highest price range and the summer driving season hasn’t even begun officially.
I wonder why Brian Williams couldn’t ask about this and what the Republicans would tell the oil companies they are in bed with.
perris @ 51
http://www.qubetv.tv/videos/detail/188
http://www.qubetv.tv/videos/detail/189
More to come.
EvilDrPuma @ 60
Marxist terms hit the NSA’s Moderator and viola! Lost in transmission, err, translation!!! Where’s Big Brother when you need him?!!!
ccmask @ 49
The revolution will not be televised.
When George looked into Putin’s soul, he got some good tips on media management.
Ruby Tuesday @ 59
I like it!
Hugh @ 70
Its around $3.50 here in Orange County
ccmask @ 66
The satellite deals have been fighting which “local” channels they can or will carry and how much they’ll pay. IIRC, for a time, they would use the broadcast channels for the networks from Atlanta and that’s what the folks say in Wichita would get. Sounds like it’s still a bit screwed up.
You might see if you can disconnect your TV from the Direct connection and hook up an old antenna and pull in the local PBS that way.
Zee @ 75
mr. brat reports $3.60 in Monterey an hour ago.
Allan & Newspaperbrat: I swear PBS Moyers was just added to my guide. Isn’t that something? I am on it now. Wow. How about them oversea workers?
I had no idea that Williams BFF was Rush… very interesting. I knew Williams was very biased in his reporting, but this is new territory to me.
That loaded question to Edwards pissed me off too, along with his other accusatory, hideous questions.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 27 — I want to see a link too!
ccmask @ 78
woo hoo! and don’t forget to give yourself credit as well.
I was pissed though…I had her on the phone for 15 minutes asking her to explain it to me.
S.O.S. from MA @ 52
… there’s a separate discussion area — you can get to it by clicking here. I’ll repeat your question there, and answer it :)
Just done :)
ccmask @ 69
My girlfriends and I, in high school, had a saying when something like this happened:
Man, this place is fucked.
Hey boys and girls – are we live-blogging the 20/20 DC Madam story? ROFL
The average for California today is $3.455.
http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/sbsavg.asp
I’ve seen/heard Williams speak unscripted on a handful of occasions and he’s certainly not stupid. It takes a certain level of talent to create and maintain a parallel universe in the face of an unending stream of facts that put the lie to it. Limbaugh wrote that book.
Ed*ard Teller @ 28
Wow. Just — wow.
LooHoo: I went to an all girl high school and I can tell you stories…
Helen @ 84
I’d rather watch O’ Brother Where Art Thou again. Which I am doing. It’s just starting on IFC if anyone is interested.
ccmask @ 88
I went to an all boys military school in the late ’60s so I can prol’ly match your stories. ;})
Phoenix Woman @ 86
After the 2006 elections before the 2008 ones, I would call that impeccable timing. Who is the USA in Alaska and what does anyone know about them?
I’m skipping the tube tonight but I’d love to know what time 20/20 airs so that I can surf over for some instant reaction. What time are the fireworks? Is anyone else concerned that the higher-ups at ABC have put the kibosh on too many inconvenient names being reported in Ross’ reportage? ABC is as bad as CNN IMHO.
Phoenix Woman @ 87
yeah. My son and I just watched the evening news. Vic Kohring sold his vote in exchange for Veco paying off $17K in credit card debt. He changed his vote. They reneged. How pathetic! I always thought Lynn Westmoreland reminded me of Vic. Now I know why.
Jay @ 92
It’s on 20/20 at 10:00 PM ET. It’s probably going to be like Al Capone’s vault. nada ; )
ccmask @ 88
Out with them! dakine too.
The Roast of Larry King, hosted by Bill Maher, is worth a gander!!! Dubya’s cutup was just on after Dr. Phil, and was a hoot!!!
Hugh @ 91
from my #67 above:
Last year, as the indictments were about to start coming down right before the election, the HQ for the investigation was moved from the Alaska US Atty office to DC, where it was put under the control of Alice Fisher – before her promotion to head the DOJ criminal division (that term has even MORE recently been redefined, eh?). From August 2006 until now, the investigation and grand jury activity appeared to be languishing, but?
I’m not ready to comment yet on the current AK US Atty and that office’s relationship to the investigation at this point, other than I don’t think they’ve been involved since late last summer. This is being controlled out of DC as far as I know.
thanks all for the love-
i just wanted to give the first ‘call out’ to people that it is finally ok to say i had one and how it affected me……..never been ok before, that is what i want people to understand, never been ok before to say you had an abortion….was a huge repurcussion….no matter what the reason…….mine was rape, others, may not have been, but ok, no matter the reason, obviously was not a reason to bring a child into the world……..is ok now to speak out and reserve the right to others…….please start speaking.
Quzi @ 79
I noticed you already found me over there ;-) It seems they don’t like files over 7mb … so that is a little problem … if anyone has video of Rudy in drag .. can you email me at randle_p_mcmurphy@yahoo.com .. and put FDL in the subject line … please
dakine01 @ 90
Anytime.
Joe Klein’s conscience @71…nothing like some good clean Repugnant fun on a Friday night. Good choice of videos.
Hugh: I like this part of your link:
In another conversation later that day, Kott told the same executive, “I just want to be the warden in Barbados,” the indictment says. The unnamed company was building a private prison in Barbados.
FOR WHO? Outsourcing American prisoners?
dakine01,
You recently mentioned that you were a baseball fan, who do you root for?
dmac @ 30
OMG (((dmac))), what a trauma. I hope I could have been brave and caring enough to be a Dad as loving and strong as yours was for you. My wife and I have two grown married daughters, one of whom just gave us grandchild #1 (this is not about congrats!).
As the pregnancy of our adored firstborn daughter progressed, I thought more and more about how absolutely pissed I am, for her and for all American women, that the Government is slowly slowly taking away their right to choose.
This was a wanted baby but even through all that, if his being in her womb had endangered the life of my own darling grown baby, and if her Doctor had recommended he had to be aborted to save her life or future fertility or health, I could not STAND it if her choice were to become impossible.
I deeply admire you for having the self-respect to make your choice both ways at different times in your life, for your own autonomous reasons. You sound to me like a spiritually strong woman to whom life has dealt a difficult hand.
I wish you the very best and I also respect the loving care that your dad has for you.
ccmask @ 102
Now he gets to meet the warden, eh?
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 99
Oh yeah, Rudy in drag is a must see. You need the video where Trump kisses him in the perfume department. It’s over-the-top hideous! ROFL
Loo Hoo @ 95
OK, freshman year:
1 cadet kicked out and sent to jail for taking the rap on killing his GF’s father. I say taking the rap as it was rumored that father was abusive and may have been killed by daughter or wife.
1 cadet kicked out and sent to jail after going to see about a track scholarship, got drunk, stole a car and drove it through a showroom window. Ditched the car a couple of miles away and tried to run. Found out he couldn’t outrun a bullet.
5 cadets kicked out for B&E at a house they thought was abandoned. Took furniture and rugs to furnish their rooms.
3 cadets kicked out for breaking into hardware store in the small town and strealing TV anttenas. Barracks looked like a small city on Sunday morning waht with all the aerials.
Jay @ 103
Team closest to the heart is Cincinnati Reds. Grew up about 60 miles south of there in KY.
Adopted the Red Sox as American League team after moving to Southern NH in September ‘75 where I was probably the only Reds fan within 100 miles or more of Boston. Since I’ve had intense dislike of the Yankees since they beat the Reds in ‘61, it was a fairly natural fit. But the Reds are still the first team.
20/20 is 9:00 Central, 10:00 Eastern
Quzi @ 101
Particularly, the second one with Ron Paul’s reality based thought processes!!!
Here’s an OT fer ya: (note: I printed off all the instructions to Helen, and I’m giving them a run here — let’s see if I’m a quick study like she is. No lauging and pointing fingers if I’m not.)
The NRA has outdone itself: It wants EVER-body to git a gun . . . you wanna shoot how many?
– true to form, I posted this at the bottom of a much earlier thread, so excited was I to join the ‘dult table and add links. one of us clearly doesn’t get out enough.
oh, bother. copying the message undid the link. I’ll give it another shot.
Dang, dakine. You run with a rough group!
Ha, I’m sitting out on my deck here in Southern NH listening to the Sox/Twins game. Ortiz just hit a bomb. September of 75′….you probably weren’t making many new friends that fall. My kids, baseball and the progressive blogosphere keep me sane…ok maybe not my 3 yeard old but I’m guessing it’s just a stage ;)
dakine01 @ 108
Shaka Bra!!! I’m a diehard BoSox fan, there’s actually a sizable contingent in the Isles!!! Anybody but the ‘Evil Empire’!!!
On Nelson Cohen the USA Alaska:
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska…..7151c.html
He was apparently named August 2006 as an interim under Patriot Act authority. He worked previously in Pittsburgh and got the Alaska job through the pull of the USA Western Pennsylvania Mary Beth Buchanan. Cohen has Alaska connections but wasn’t chosen by either of the state’s Senators. Buchanan is very partisan but there is no indication so far that Cohen is.
oh, screw it. I’ll go watch 20/20 then come back. Anyhow, the story is that the NRA thinks suspected terrorists would help gun sales in a free market.
Other Pat @ 112
It’s easier than you think, Other Pat, trust me
CTuttle,
The Isles?
Other Pat @ 117
No No No – pull up the link. Copy it. Go to “link” in the comments box. The first box asks for the link. Paste it. The second box asks what you would like to call it. Give it a name. Preview it and then send it off.
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I’ve faced and made this decision too. I resent the way the so-called “right to lifers” seem to indicate that women take this lightly and choose abortion without deep thoughtful consideration. We don’t.
But they are highlighting the wrong end of the problem! I wish they would spend all that money and energy into reducing the conditions that cause unwanted pregnancies in the first place. I’m a big supporter of Planned Parenthood because they make education and birth control cheap and easy. Reducing poverty reduces crime increases educational oportunities… oh you FDLers all know already.
Bless us all.
CTuttle @ 115
I had just been in the Islands for a couple of weeks when they had the playoff in ‘78. I’d hooked up with a bunch of Red Sox fans but had to work with an obnoxious Yankee fan (I know, that’s redundant) who was having a beef with one of the guys I was hanging with. NOT good times.
sos at 104
As the pregnancy of our adored firstborn daughter progressed, I thought more and more about how absolutely pissed I am, for her and for all American women, that the Government is slowly slowly taking away their right to choose.
This was a wanted baby but even through all that, if his being in her womb had endangered the life of my own darling grown baby, and if her Doctor had recommended he had to be aborted to save her life or future fertility or health, I could not STAND it if her choice were to become impossible.
I deeply admire you for having the self-respect to make your choice both ways at different times in your life, for your own autonomous reasons. You sound to me like a spiritually strong woman to whom life has dealt a difficult hand.
I wish you the very best and I also respect the loving care that your dad has for you.
i have a great family……..and i revel in your joy of your grandchild……..all of them……….that is the point. abortion is not about lost lives. nor lost grandchildren. and my parents never look at it that way. that is what we need to move beyond. if only those that have had abortions would speak up we would hear it and be able to put it into perspective. my friend annie was sterile because of a back alley abortion, she wanted children, i was in a position where an abortion was best, i didn’t choose it at the time, my parents did, but it was best for me at the time……..it is all about what is best for the person………a choice. thank you.
dakine01 @ 107
One girl got kicked out early for making a sign that read “For Unwed Mothers” and hung it below the University sign and got caught as she got off the ladder by Sister Jean Patrice. Another got kicked out of stealing a box of raisinettes from Sister Daniels candy room and selling them at the Spring Affair. Another got suspended for having 3 of her boyfriends don our uniforms and hang out on the campus for the day. We had a nun cemetery and that’s where they all drank. And I mean drank.
CTuttle @ 48
I like your statistic. Here is another. In 2004, total household wealth was about $50.1 trillion. The top 1% of households held 33.4% of that. There were about 130 million households that year, so 1.3 million households held about $16.7 trillion dollars. So, the average family wealth of those families in the top 1% is in the range of $12.3 million. It has just gotten even worse since the. I imagine lots of the firepups are in this group.
Cozumel @ 94
“Every party has a pooper,that’s why we invited you.. party pooper!!”
Helen,
It’s almost 10pm, do we have any names yet?
I’m off to rest for the evening. May have to watch a few minutes of the DC Madam — but not expecting too much there…
Have a good evening FirePups.
I thought I saw a headline on Raw Story that said the network will only be releasing two of the one thousand names they have.
Stretching it out for the ratings? Or scoring points with the overlords?
Cspan HANS BLIX
American Bar Assn. Section of International Law
Bush Administration and the Iraq War
Weapons of Mass Destruction
lolo
Jay @ 127
Except for the known knowns (Tobias, Ulman (sp?), the sec’t at Goodling’s law firm)I don’t have a clue. I am on the East Coast. Would all of you elsewhere like me to name the names as they come up?
Loo Hoo @ 113
It got a bit better. My freshman year was kinda the last gasp of the old style treatment of hazing first year cadets and all. Even though we didn’t really talk about it amongst ourselves that much, I’ve tracked down some of my classmates and we all independently decided that was not going to happen when we became cadet officers and it didn’t.
We had some interesting mixes of people. I was there because my mother was librarian and one of her “perks” was free tuition for me. She hated the schools in my hometown, so I wound up there for all four years. It was an experience that in retrospect, I wish I’d not stayed for all four years but those are other stories. Others were also there by having a relative on staff. A lot were there because Mom or Dad was divorced and remarried and the new spouse shipped the kids off. Some exchange students and children of foreign diplomats. Sons of militray officers. The school president my first two years liked athletics and was known to scout juvie court in Ohio for likely football prospects. He’d get the judge to offer a choice of military school or juvenile hall so of course the military school was the choice. That began to end after my sophomore year.
DaKine, An Obnoxious Yankee fan during a pennant race colliding with the Aina, definitely Not, a pretty sight to see!!! I’m sure the locals were not amused!!!
lolo @ 130
Hey lolo – we were worried about you. When you did not get he zed I was concerned that you fell off the couch doing the zed dance
Jay @ 114
I watched the sixth game from a little Italian club in Everett. I think they let me walk out alive cuz of the HR but also cuz they figger’d I MUST be nuckin’ futz to be cheerin’ for Cincy there…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..WASHINGTON — The National Rifle Association is urging the Bush administration to withdraw its support of a bill that would prohibit suspected terrorists from buying firearms. Backed by the Justice Department, the measure would give the attorney general the discretion to block gun sales, licenses or permits to terror suspects.
In a letter this week to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, NRA executive director Chris Cox said the bill, offered last week by Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., “would allow arbitrary denial of Second Amendment rights based on mere ’suspicions’ of a terrorist threat.”
It’s show time!! almost….
Helen @ 134
I am here now. Was really busy at The Next Hurrah and taking a nap and lurrrrrking here,
miss me?
toolpusher @ 121
Best advice my Daddy ever gave me I was 12 or 13 and being Joe Cool:
Boy I saw what you had in your wallet. You know what those things are for? Yassir.
You know how to use ‘em? Yassir.
Make damn sure ya do. Yassir.
OT, but interesting
By Maggie Fox, Health and Science EditorThu Apr 5, 10:15 PM ET
Treating cancer with surgery, chemotherapy or radiation may sometimes cause tumors to spread and U.S. researchers said on Thursday they may have nailed down one of the causes — a compound called TGF-beta.
Tests in mice show that using the chemotherapy drug doxorubicin or radiation both raised levels of TGF-beta, which in turn helped breast cancer tumors spread to the lung.
But using an antibody to block TGF-beta stopped the process, Dr. Carlos Arteaga and colleagues at Vanderbilt University in Tennessee reported.
Developing drugs that block TGF-beta might help prevent cancer from recurring, Arteaga’s team reports in the May issue of the Journal of Clinical Investigation.
“The repopulation and progression of tumors after anti-cancer therapy is a well-recognized phenomenon,” the researchers wrote. “It has been shown to occur following radiotherapy, chemotherapy, and surgery.”
ww.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2007/04/09/treatment_may_fuel_cancers_spread_study_finds.htm
and dakine-at my old house i used to lay in my hammock and listen to reds games….was wonderful….so the last month in and out of town, when here, because of you, i have listened to reds games. listened last night………..nice time……thank you for reminding me……love to listen to the reds on radio……..my gma and gpa did that for years……….a present to my gpa one year was a photo of pete rose’s big hit……i gave tickets to the guy that took the picture…….the deal was, if i gave him the tickets, i get a free print.
so,,,,,thanks for the memories, haven’t listened to them much since i moved here………no hammock……..
I can’t wait until Rush gets his. He is truly deserving right after Rove.
lolo@138
Yep – you are a fixture here. I sign on and just assume I can talk to lolo – you were one of my first friends here – maybe you were actually my very first friend.
toolpusher @ 121
As if teenagers don’t want to getiton!
Brian Williams – another guy on my “Drink expensive cognac when I read his obituary” list.
masaccio @ 125
12.3Mil.Per Year Annual Salary, further along; avg. Yearly pay disparity between Management and Employee $1400 : $1!!!
dmac @ 141
As the movies have taught us, baseball helps us get through a lot of dark times. :})
Hey lolo
lolo @ 130
ok, watching the Palfrey interview. The voiceover refers to ‘Solaino” county (with a long A) instead of Solano (with a short A). How lame.
Speaking of penetration, back to the Nets-Raptors game…
Helen @ 143
Helen that is so sweet. Thank you.
Off topic again, sorry….
April 25, 2007
Toxic Fertilizer linked to Mad Cow Disease?
About three years ago the LA Times published an Associated Press article “Toxic Waste Used as Fertilizer on Farms Reported”.
The article stated that in Seattle, toxic heavy metals, chemicals and radioactive wastes are being recycled as fertilizer and spread over farmers’ field nationwide–and there is no federal law requiring that they be listed as ingredients.
The issue came to light in the central Washington town of Quincy, population 4,000, when Mayor Patty Martin led an investigation by local farmers concerned about poor yields and sickly cattle [see WA Free Press “Poisoning Ourselves: Toxic waste in fertilizer” Mar 2003 –Ed]. Unfortunately, at this time the use of industrial waste as fertilizer ingredient was a growing national phenomenon.
At that same time in Gore, Oklahoma, a uranium-processing plant got rid of low-level radioactive waste by licensing it as liquid fertilizer and spraying it over 9,000 acres if grazing land. And at Camas, Washington, lead-laced waste from a pulp mill was hauled to farms and spread over crops destined for livestock feed. While in Moxee City, Washington, dark powder from two Oregon steel mills was poured from rail cars into silos at Bay Zinc Co. under a federal hazardous waste storage permit. Then it was emptied from the silos for use as fertilizer. The exact same material.
The Federal and State Governments encouraged this kind of recycling, which saved money for big industry and conserved space in hazardous- waste landfills. However, the substances found in recycled fertilizers included cadmium, lead, arsenic, radioactive materials and dioxins. The wastes came from incineration of medical and municipal wastes, and from heavy industries.
Because I happen to run the newest state permitted medical waste treatment plant in California, and am acutely aware of the hazards of treating such waste, I ask: Why isn’t this recycled fertilizer brought up now in the case of Mad Cow Disease. Why did are Federal and State Government allow such contamination and why did the farmers do this to their own land? Who is covering this up? Who benefited from this travesty? Who approved this in the first place? And why isn’t anything being done to those who allowed this to happen to our nation’s heartland?
I for one want answers. And I want those responsible for this to be brought to justice. They deliberately poisoned our nations food chain for profit, and should be punished as traitors to the American people.
Karl Niemiec, Director of Media Services, Sanitec West, CA
Zee @ 148
Hi Zee!
I remember sitting in bed with my dad as a 6 year old (in Somerville) waiting for the rain to stop so that the 75′ Series could resume. This was the beginning of my love affair with baseball. I don’t hate the Yankees like most Sox fans do, having lived in New York and attended many Yanks games I have the utmost respect for that franchise. When Thurman Munson was killed I almost cried. If you love baseball and haven’t been to the Bronx for a pro game, you must do it.
Loo Hoo @ 149
Hi LooHoo!
ccmaks @ 124 says:
I kept a bottle of bourbon in the back of my closet for a wee nip after taps my senior year. Because I got set-up about half way through I was busted from cadet captain to cadet sgt for “lying.” Now if you’ve really lied at a military school, you don’t keep any rank which was one of the ways I knew I was set-up. Plus I knew I hadn’t lied. My mom knew as well and told the school pres that he was full of it. She told others (in front of me) that she knew it was a set-up but that if I’d been busted for drinking, she wouldn’t have said a word.
I was the manager of the wrestling team and during Junior year, we went to the state tournament. All of our wrestlers were out by early Satruday afternoon so the coach let us go free in downtown Louisville for the afternoon. I wound up in a bar with a three others; they all got carded, I didn’t but we all got served (21 drinking age always in KY). After a couple of drinks, we wound up hitting a burlesque club for the rest of the afternoon. We were not in uniforms though but were wearing blazers and sport coats with short hair. We LOOKED somewhat respectable. I caught a ration for telling mom about it the following Monday but she laughed as I knew she would.
Corry342 @ 150
Harlan Ullman? That’s the big Reveal?
Nets by two
Did yah see this??!!
WASHINGTON (AP) — The National Rifle Association is urging the Bush administration to withdraw its support of a bill that would prohibit suspected terrorists from buying firearms.
Do your blog thing on this topic…somebody, PLEASE!!!
Helen @ 131
Yes .. spread the word … I imagine it will be the last story on 20/20 tonight though .. they want to keep the viewers in suspense until the end.
lolo @ 151
I love you both, girlscouts!
Loo Hoo @ 160
Me too. Hey did you guys hear about Marcy going to DC for the hearing next week?
dakine
oh, hard times are way back, have no hard times related to baseball, just didn’t do it during my marriage, and forgot about listening after it……am back listening to it on the radio, thanks.
CTuttle @ 110
Thanks!! A lot of the videos are too big :-( I tried to upload three others .. and all I got were error messages .. I think their stupid site is very much a work in progress .. I am sure they didnt count on us trying to sabotage it.
OMG – 20/20 says -of the men, no one important out of 12,000 names in DC. But they named the women, oh yes they did. Ask me how mad I am.
Posted at 5:47 p.m. today by Newsjock at DU:
Good job of calling Weisman on it, Greg Sargent/TPM!
Loo Hoo @ 160
Me too. Hey did you guys hear about Marcy going to DC for the hearing next week?
Helen @ 164
The hypocrisy of the patriachy in operation. It’s to be expected of the men but it means the women are not good people. Have to protect those men doncha know.
Yes. I don’t know if Marcy needs money for the trip and lost income.
Hey New thread!
Loo Hoo @ 168
I will donate even if I have to scrape this month. She has done so much and she deserves some help.
lolo @ 161
Bwa Ha Ha – every once in a while I ask myself..”I am I answering Loo Hoo or lolo?” Re; Marcy – yes and she asked for money but I have heard nothing in response to my question: How can we contribute?”
dakine01 @ 90
I’m SO jealous – I was in a girls boarding school in a rural area far from Memphis. My friends at home had all the fun and bragged all summers long of Jerry Lee Lewis, Elvis and assorted Beale Street church revivals. My best friend tortured me with her stories that included her favorite gas stations restroomsto wet her hair so her parents would believe she had been dunked and born again at any number of evangelical revivals tents passing through town.
LOL!
dakeine01: I think you won :))
lolo @ 170
Best to do a general FDL donation or something specific?
ccmask @ 173
No wait … I went to an all girls’ school for 4 years and I have stories.
I’m a guy … they kept calling me over … and I’m not tellin’ nuttin’ more to no one … *g*
ccmask @ 173
EPU’d but I’ll end with how my mother stopped the Dog Squadders to stop trying to ban Pl*yboy. They’d been trying for most of my freshman and sophmore years to ban it as improper for “young, impressionable male minds.” They brought it up once again at a faculty meeting and she got fed up. She stood up said, “My sons read Playboy (I have an older brother who was in his 20s and the AF at this time).
I read Playboy. I look at the pictures. I get jealous.” The proposal to ban Playboy magazine went down to a resounding defeat and was never raised again while she was the librarian.
I heard Andy Stern say today that if minimum wage had kept pace with CEO pay since 1990, minimum wage would be $23 an hour today.
Brain “$12 haircut” Williams never finished college.
I’m perfectly happy to let NBC parade around a man who’s main credentials are his ability to read from a teleprompter and possessing the looks of a ball-less Ken Doll. Yum.
We can’t take these people serious anymore – time to mock them what they are; shallow, out-of-touch hypocrites.
FYI;
Mad Cow is caused by a protein called prion. It’s an unusual mechanism, not viral or bacterial but nevertheless organic.
It’s not linked to heavy metals or radio-activity. It is spread to humans when one eats spinal or brain tissue of an infected animal or person.
jackie @ 152
winking sphincter @ 54
Well, it’s working for George Bush.
ccmask @ 58
Karl Rove will be featured at a GOP fundraising tomorrow in Punta Gorda. (I read it’s a $100/person event – sort of small potatoes for the Haves.) Nearly everyone south of Tampa knows about this. We have a lot of Peace events every weekend and I’m hoping a large crowd can still make it to “greet” Karl.
PBS is erratic for me too. My affiliate is in Tampa. Many of those Must See shows get bumped for fundraisers. Others near me get their PBS from Fort Myers and do not have the bump as often as Tampa.
If there was any justice the newspaper headlines would read:
Republicans give guns to terrorists!
Are you sure that wasn’t Jeff Gannon, after plastic surgery, asking questions of the Democratic Party presidential hopefuls?
Sort of off topic, but what’s with Jon Stewart putting this shithead’s huge freakin’ head up on the big screen behind him?
It totally pisses me off when Stewart does this. Looks to me like a cozy arrnagment between the networks with the goal of coolness by association…………STEWART, STOP IT RIGHT NOW!!!!!
Aw, c’mon, don’t be too hard on Williams (or Matt Lauer for that matter). After all, neither one of them has a college degree. Yeah, they attended some college but decided that book learnin’ was a bit more than they were interested in.
Look, both of these guys must toe the line of what their corporate overlords say or they’re looking for work. Just remember that they’re pretty boy announcers who got where they are by their visuals, not by their analysis. They’ll say anything on air they’re told, because they’re scared witless. Of course, they were witless before they were scared too.