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Cliff Schecter discusses, for your reading pleasure, the utter hypocrisy of conservative Catholic religious figures who punish progressive politicians for opposing the Vatican on some issue (Claire McCaskill and stem cells, in this case), yet look the other way when Republican Catholic political figures back the Iraq war and the death penalty -- both of which are also officially opposed by the Vatican. (Remember when a few conservative bishops pulled similar crap against John Kerry in 2004? Including Archbishop Raymond Burke, the same guy currently attacking Senator McCaskill and who recently went after Sheryl Crow? I did some Googling and didn't see where these princelings of the church ever came out against Iraq or the death penalty for people who don't have gills or a tail.)
Oh, yeah: Speaking of Iraq and immorality, somebody needs to do up an Iraq bill that removes the mercenaries privateers "contractors" from Iraq, who equal if not exceed the number of actual US troops in the country. The way that the Rumsfeld-Cheney-Wolfowitz gang of PNAC Platoon goons tried to privatize the military is enough to make even a casual observer gag and screech at the obscenity of it all. But I guess certain conservative Republican-cuddling bishops are too busy harassing Claire McCaskill to care about what we do with real live American soldiers or contractors, much less real live out-of-the-womb Iraqis.
And it's not just archconservative archbishops who are being bad actors in the political realm. The Village Voice has a nice blockbuster of a piece on how Bush and the Republicans have been trying to use evangelical Protestant Christians to court the Jewish vote -- with some rather dodgy results, to put it mildly. (Seems that Jewish people in America and Israel have this teey-weeny objection to being used as props by Republicans or crazy Armageddon-minded right-wing Christians who think that they're cursed because of the presence of a Harry Potter book in a room.) Remember our crazy friend Michele Bachmann? Well, her BFF Mac Hammond is the upper Midwest regional director for "Christians United for Israel" (CUFI), whose boss John Hagee is behind some of the most vilely anti-Semitic Holocaust revisionism currently out there.
The founders of this country, sickened at the centuries of religious warfare and sectarian strife that filled the histories of Great Britain and the rest of the "Old World" they knew, deliberately set out to remove religious figures of all sorts from access to the levers of power, even as they promoted freedom to practice all religions that weren't threats to the common good. Now the Republicans, for pure political gain, are working to undo both of these sensible practices -- and are endangering not just Israel (whose destruction is part of the evangelical "End of Days" plan) but, increasingly, the rest of the world as well.
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Zed to you too!
Republics are Monarchists and the Commander Guy is their boy king.
ugh. I’m afraid these are my relatives.
Apropos of the Republican “debate” question on evolution:
Republicans are God’s way of pacing the evolution of the human species.
Hi PW. Your post doesn’t show up when you look at the FDL home page. I only get here with Scarecrow’s link.
Phoenix Woman!
A nit: I think you might be mixing your Christianists just a little. You mention “Ted Hagee.” I think you’re mixing Ted Haggard (the “cured” homosexual preacher in Denver) with John Hagee, San Antonio’s own believer in the right of Israel to exist in order to have the apocalypse/rapture happen as soon as possible.
Phoenix Woman @ 1
Thanks my first one! Great post Phoenix Woman.
From the New York Times:
So now we know the real reason Bush vetoed the Iraq war spending bill.
dakine01 @ 7
Thanks!
I grew up going to Catholic schools, lived across the street from the priest and across an alley from the Notre Dame nuns. I can assure you (at least then) it was the nuns doing the work of the church. The priest lived in a very nice home, had house cleaners, cooks and a nice car. I often saw cases of wine and beer out on the back porch of the priest not at the convent. I did not witness these priest do anything for their congregation or for those suffering in the congregation. Just living well off of those donations on Sunday. I did not see them taking care of their “sheep”.
On the other hand the nuns lived, cooked and cleaned communally. They taught at the school and I witnessed them do works of compassion and empathy that impacted the community.
It is an old patriarchal system that keeps men at the top, many who crave power, dominance and fancy hats and clothes. (ever see the clothes those bishops, archbishop, Pope and others wear). Sell those fancy things and give the money back to the poor.
Bust the Catholic Church!
This post is ALL the more reason to vote for John McCain. He is the only candidate willing to follow Satan home and take him out. He’ll kill Bin Laden with his own bare hands while he’s down there too.
-GSD
Religious zeal is the one thing that makes greed look good as a political motivation.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 6
Try hitting Ctrl and F5 together — that should do it.
Wigwam @ 13
Uh-huh. Greedy people are at least pragmatic enough to be reached by certain forms of logic.
Lou Dobbs with Christopher Hitchens last night discussing his book God is not Great.
G’morning PW…
I was stationed in Greece for three years which national religion is the Orthodox Greek Church. The Ottoman Empire ruled for several hundred years. Under this rule Greeks were prevented from practicing their religion. And it is why all the wonderful statues found at the antiquities are headless, the Turks lopped off their heads as they were graven images.
Greeks practiced their religion in secret, priests found places to hide and now you can tour lovely caves and monasteries.
Meteora, Greece
Now trying to remember all the restrictions of Greek citizens who did not belong to the Orthodox religion. It was my understanding that non members could not attend public school.
The one think I really liked about Greece is that their citizens are required to vote. I can remember the agitation of my landlady trying to make sure she got to the polls to vote … some how there were consequences if she didn’t.
for those who have never waded in to the primordial ooze that is the Christian Right -
I know it’s all icky and stuff firedogs, but it’s important to be exposed to this and keep it in mind next time the MSM singles out Fred Phelps for his continuing psychosis
oregondave @ 9
No, no, no. You don’t get it. See, if it’s IN the womb, it’s good. If it’s out of the womb, it’s IED fodder. (Especially if it’s not a Senator’s son or anything like that.)
Absolutely wonderful post, PW. I heard the news about Claire last night & was sickened. I also agree that we need to ask will Blackwater be withdrawing along with our troops. Nice work.
http://www.rollingstone.com/po.....ds_senator
elliot posted this yesterday, is worth reading the whole thing……. i’ll just reserve comment and you can draw your own pictures.
great post pw!
omg snark fest :)
The christianists have forced religion into politics and government that has and will continue to do damage to our country. After the last abortion decision by SCOTUS, there is no way in hell that I would take the chance of having another Roman Catholic on the Supreme Court; and that is not how it is supposed to be.
Hey Phoenix Woman, I was just reflecting on this topic this morning. Those who most loudly proclaim their Christianity really seem to be hatemongers. They hate gays, they hate dark skinned people, they hate muslims, poor people, uppity women, and intellectuals.
I think you have to look at quieter smaller christian communities to find the kind of spirit that has anything to do with lending a helping hand to anyone who needs it.
Angry Black Bitch, who lives in St. Louis, went off on Burke last Friday:
Choice words for the Bishop . . . though a bishop who turns his back on a Catholic Children’s hospital named for one of his predecessors needs a few choice words.
As ABB would say, “Lawd have mercy.”
cbl @ 18
for those who have never waded in to the primordial ooze that is the Christian Right -
I know it’s all icky and stuff firedogs, but it’s important to be exposed to this and keep it in mind next time the MSM singles out Fred Phelps for his continuing psychosis.
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Thanks, cbl. I was trying to keep this post short, but I was hoping that people like you would delve into the links provided and put up excerpts to drive the point home.
Republican strategy:
It’s like a huge boat with fishing poles in the water, all baited - each one selected to appeal to the particular weaknesses of the fish in the ocean, each one ready to be reeled in when a fish takes the bait. Each fish is then fitted with an electronic device which controls its behavior. Then it is thrown back to do the republican bidding.
Wherever you look they have their traps laid and their manipulation at work.
It’s a criminal conspiracy of gigantic proportions, masquerading as government.
As Garrison Keillor says, the republican party has made peace with hipocrisy a long time ago.
Speaking of monarchy: Queen Elizabeth II and hubby visit the colonies, where she appreciates the progress since her last visit. From AP:
Lou Costello @ 16
That’s a pair I can do without, regardless of the topic.
carolyn urban @ 24
Didn’t you realize that Jeebus was a young man with western European features? They don’t believe that anyone who doesn’t look like that could EVER be considered human.
Peterr @ 30
Did you watch it? Good stuff!
I was at a private house party with John Edwards last evening in Tucson. He spoke for about 15 minutes and took questions for about 45 minutes. He was really clear….
1. Get out if Iraq now
2. Keep sending the same bill back to Bush
3. When he becomes President, GITMO is closed
I also have two autographed copies of his book Home. Today Edwards is in NOLA with building homes with Danny Glover.
On a related note, I was personally sickened that the Archbishop of Washington D.C. was present at the Catholic prayer breakfast a month or so back when chimpy took to the podium for some ignorant comments (as you may recall, it was a Friday morning and chimpy cracked a joke about being able to eat bacon now that Lent was over).
That Archbishop Wuerl could appear on the same program as the torturer-in-chief just speaks volumes now doesn’t it?
Good post. A comedian in Italy just made fun of the pope. Pope called him a terroist. So much for his sense of humor.
OT - Shooter and Teh Queen on CNN…
Lou Costello @ 16
Hitch has been officially disinvited from future Christian-Republican circle jerks for this apostasy.
He must have been tired of drinking scotch with such anti-intellectual, anti-science rubes at pro-war rallies that he needed to initiate a final split strategy.
-GSD
Stephen Colbert and The Word: The Unquisition
Lou Costello @ 32
I can’t abide watching Lou Dobbs at all. Period. End of story.
my 21===and forgot to say—is about brownback……article is long, but a lot in it.in depth interview, converted catholic, weekly prayer meetings with people on hill, etc….this stuff is running deep in our government….save it to read later if no time now…..is relevant. h/t to elliot.
and forgot to say—article is long, but a lot in it.
Being from Missouri & a McCaskill supporter, I was very upset when I heard that Claire McCaskill would not be allowed to give the commencement address at the Catholic high school where her daughter attends because of her views on abortion and stem cell research.
More hypocrisy from the Catholic church. That’s why I am also an ex-Catholic. It is a very hypocritcal patriarchal institution. Any institution that perpetuated sexual abuse of innocent children and then tried to cover it up again and again with hardly an apology from their leadership even when they could no longer deny their complicity — has no right to say that they do God’s work!
I believe in a God and strongly believe that we are all on a spiritual journey to help each other. But I find it hard to belong to most organized religions because of their man-made laws, intolerance for other’s views and their hypocritical actions.
PW - thanks for the excellent post.
Yeah. And that that evolution thing. That’s extremely uncomfortable for “some” because that would lead us to believe we have common ancestry with all other humans in the world. And “some” would find that a deeply offensive idea. It’s the same group that think the entire world, this planet and all its creatures and resources, are simply here for our convenience and disposal.
ThinkProgress sez, Jeff Gannon was a spokesman for the International Bible Reading Association’s Prayer Marathon held yesterday at the capitol
Now that’s funny
Phoenix Woman @ 19
No. Say it ain’t so (pleading with a stricken expression, as the hypocrisy of it all enters into his consciousness like a thousand pellets from an impaired Shooter’s shotgun . . . ) !!!
So according to Pope Benedict, The Comedy Store and The Laugh Factory are terrorist cells?
-GSD
I dislike John Hagee.
actually PW,
it is I who owe you thanks for another fab post - I swear to goodness, Ms. Hamsher collects bright lights like a winger collects Scaife checks
carolyn urban -
grandma cbl: talkers don’t do and doers don’t talk !
the old gal sounds smarter every day
Kathleen @ 11
God love ya, Kathleen!! Coming from an Irish Catholic family of eleven, one of them a “Kathleen,” I’ve seen the same bullshit, and got tweaked many a time for calling them on it!!
My uncle was a priest,and he lived very well, indeed! Like any institution that is dying on the vine, will kick and scream, and even crawl in bed with the lowest of the low……the GOP, in order to stop the inevitable. The old world is fading, there is no stopping it. We are ascending from the dark to the light, and all those who can’t make the paradigm shift due to attachments to unconscious ways, will also fade away…………buh bye.
Peace to all, and have a super duper alley looper of a weekend……….ye hawwwwwwwwwwww!
P.S. In regard to those cases of beer and wine on the porch. Hell yeah, the priest that used to frequent our 4th. of July bashes on Lake Erie, could party their asses off.
Can someone, anyone, provide me with a sound answer to this question: If it was right and just to afford a homeland to the Jewish people in 1948, and to provide them with the dignity they so richly deserve, then why is it not the right thing to do the same for the Palestinian people today?
From TP referring to “Prayer Day” festivities:
Organizers put out 600 folding chairs on the lawn — the spot where presidents are inaugurated — and set up a huge stage with powerful amplifiers. But at 9:30 a.m. yesterday, not one of the 600 seats was occupied. By 11 a.m., as a woman read a passage from Revelations, attendance had grown — to four people. Finally, at 1 p.m., 37 of the 600 seats were occupied, though many of those people were tourists eating lunch.
This is what happens when delusionals are given legitimacy.
To paraphrase Charlton Heston: “It’s a clownhouse!”
-GSD
I have a tough time taking moral instruction from an organization that protects child molesters. I don’t see a whole lot of difference between the Catholic Church and NAMBLA.
OT..But finally, former USA Debra Wong Yang is getting some attention. IMHO, she is the best example of conspiracy to obstruct justice that we know about. A 1.5 million signing bonus; yea, right!
www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003154.php
katymine @ 33
As a caller on the Diane Rehm show I was recently able to ask Edwards “How he explains his yes vote on the war resolution in Oct of 2002. He had a very similar response as Hillary’s “if only I knew then what I know now”. I find this answer utter horseshit!
I mentioned that he should have been listening to the Rehm show prior to the invasion. She had Scott Ritter on several times, retired CIA analyst, Zbigniew Brezinskig and many others who questioned the validity of the intelligence and seriously warned against the invasion based on their expertise and that Iraq had not attacked us.
This answer by Edwards and Clinton falls short of logic!
RUN AL RUN!
You could also say that the freedom of religion and no establishment clauses in Constitution are yet another example of the founders’ devotion to checks and balances. If you’re going to favor one religion, which one: the Anglicans, or the anti-Anglican puritans of New England? the Catholics of Maryland or the Lutherans in New York? others?
Nothing would have split the new nation faster than to choose one over the others. Wisely, the founders ruled the choice out of bounds completely, for themselves and their posterity.
I do not think that religious hypocrisy is denominational.
By way of apologizing to Scarecrow for cutting off his GOP debate thread when it was in full cry:
RedState.org readers: McCain won, Rudy got his butt kicked
MSNBC.com readers: They all suck except for Ron Paul (who’s the only one opposed to the Iraq war)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 49
Exactly.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 49
i think this is a very fair,
and worthwhile, question. one
our present leadership will studiously
avoid — even as secretary rice meets
with the syrians. apparently iran and the u.s.
actually talked — for a moment — face-to-
face, today, according to the nytimes.com. . .
sad, actually. . .
now — yesterday, sen. leahy and
sen. whitehouse wrote the DoJ to
ask for data summaries on public
corruption cases, by party affiliation.
if they CONFIRM anything like what these
two college professors have documented
during the 2001 to 2006 bush/cheney/rove/
ashcroft/gonzales years of the DoJ, we should
all start yelling for indictments, right now.
just my informed $0.02.
Phoenix Woman @ 26
gah, all i could take was the easy accessible toobz on huff. As a Secular Humanist, which i suppose makes me part of the Illuminati, I can only say they must be _really_ worried about the EU.
Good post PW. Unfortunately my stomach is full from last seasons exposure of fundi candidates and their circles of influence.
As a person of faith, I am constantly amazed at the lack of faith presented by the dominionist/theocrats.
If God is all powerful, no government will stand in God’s way.
Their God must be pretty durn small, I guess, if they need to protect it against the government.
How pathetic.
And how sad that they have convinced other sorry, brow beaten, fearful sheep that this God of theirs needs to be protected.
Jesus had something to say about people like this:
mark 9:42
Jesus isn’t going to be too pleased with these guys…….
shooter speaking live on cnn…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 55
You are so right about this!
My christian friends are slightly more agreeable to recognizing this hypocrisy than my non-christian friends.
Kathleen @ 53
Matt Stoller had this about Edwards; I don’t know what it means, it’s just an fyi.
The John Edwards Trust Issue
by Matt Stoller, Tue May 01, 2007 at 09:57:38 PM EST
To really buy into the idea that John Edwards can be a transformational candidate, you have to buy into the idea that he himself has transformed. And while he has certainly shown signs of rethinking his approach to politics, and in particular dropping the centrism that once characterized his persona, he’s not there. On January 23, he gave what can only be characterized as a militant and aggressive speech on Iran. After seeing the fallout, he walked back his rhetoric, but I’ve been talking to friends in the national security community and they have brought up some worrisome points.
Yglesias points them out here.
I do know, however, that between then and now Edwards hired Michael Signer to be his national security policy guy for campaign purposes and that Signer falls in the same ideological neighborhood as the aforementioned crew. Except for Beinart, these names aren’t well known in the progressive blogosphere, but the others aren’t folks with netroots-friendly views, either. O’Hanlon, in particualr, is well to the right of the New Model Beinart and I wouldn’t at all be enthusiastic about the prospect of an administration in which he was given a high-level position.
Michael O’Hanlon is particularly awful. A year ago, O’Hanlon was denying the reality of a civil war in Iraq while paradoxically encouraging American troops to involve themselves in one to quell violence. This is why Edwards and his recent statement that he would consider troop deployment in Iraq for humanitarian missions is so problematic. As recently as a few days ago, O’Hanlon was on the Hugh Hewitt show, Hugh Hewitt, to discuss a recent piece he authored on Iraq in which he argued as follows…..
The John Edwards Trust Issue
by Matt Stoller, Tue May 01, 2007 at 09:57:38 PM EST
To really buy into the idea that John Edwards can be a transformational candidate, you have to buy into the idea that he himself has transformed. And while he has certainly shown signs of rethinking his approach to politics, and in particular dropping the centrism that once characterized his persona, he’s not there. On January 23, he gave what can only be characterized as a militant and aggressive speech on Iran. After seeing the fallout, he walked back his rhetoric, but I’ve been talking to friends in the national security community and they have brought up some worrisome points.
Yglesias points them out here.
I do know, however, that between then and now Edwards hired Michael Signer to be his national security policy guy for campaign purposes and that Signer falls in the same ideological neighborhood as the aforementioned crew. Except for Beinart, these names aren’t well known in the progressive blogosphere, but the others aren’t folks with netroots-friendly views, either. O’Hanlon, in particualr, is well to the right of the New Model Beinart and I wouldn’t at all be enthusiastic about the prospect of an administration in which he was given a high-level position.
Michael O’Hanlon is particularly awful. A year ago, O’Hanlon was denying the reality of a civil war in Iraq while paradoxically encouraging American troops to involve themselves in one to quell violence. This is why Edwards and his recent statement that he would consider troop deployment in Iraq for humanitarian missions is so problematic. As recently as a few days ago, O’Hanlon was on the Hugh Hewitt show, Hugh Hewitt, to discuss a recent piece he authored on Iraq in which he argued as follows.
www.mydd.com/story/2007/5/1/215738/1064
something tells me that Bishop has yet to make a statement condemning torture
and dmac,
now you’ve got the ol memory bank runnin’ wrt to comments about congressional prayer meetings - can’t remember right now who it was, but think it was a recovering republican who wrote how shocking to observe how virulent this was and how totally absent of rational thought
oh and momly -
Jesus is coming . . . everyone look busy !
twolf1 @ 61
I can’t abide watching Dick Cheney at all. Period. End of story.
I watched the Repug candidates
debate…er… homage to Reagan. Mitt came out ahead, IMO. McCain tried macho–and failed.LOL
OT from C&L: GOP Debate: The End Of Roe V. Wade - “A Great Day For America”
There are actually more people being killed in ‘…..religious warfare and sectarian strife’… now, BY US, over a very short period, comparatively, than ‘…the centuries of religious warfare and sectarian strife that filled the histories of Great Britain and the rest of the “Old World”….’ I can say this, of course, because back then there were probably not even one billion people on Earth, including the now-probable 500 million in Central and South America until 1492.
Until lately I was a travelling salesman often in the South and was always amazed at the numbers of Jewish poiltical ads purporting to be ‘Judaeo-Christian’ aimed at the most basic Fundamentalists exhorting them to support Israel. Naturally they do not mention that Israel has focussed a lot of attention on driving out the remainder of the formerly about 35% of Palestinians who were Christian and also that they are systematically destroying Christian ruins.
There is an undercurrent of suppressed violence here in our society which is to a great extent religiously-based. The Oklahoma Bombers spring to mind together with the regularly-expressed Crusading aspect to the Bush/Cheney Axis.
Our one-eyed support for (about 80%) non-religious Israel, driven by religious Judaism in the US, was largely the genesis for aggressive active (often fundamentalist) Islam.
So religion is going on killing today, unabated.
Gilmore is just the kind of thug core goopers are looking for.
Realist and Brokenarrow, another Catholic story for you. My mother (now 79) found herself pregnant and not married 55 years ago. She came from a hard working labor family and had never taken (still has not) a dime from anyone that she had not worked for. When she went to the 2 Catholic priest in her parish for help, they actually told her that “she would be going to hell for adultery”. She found herself in a Catholic convent/home for unwed mothers in Cincinnati Ohio and was the only woman to walk out with her baby (me), while all of the other unwed mothers there had been convinced to give their babes up for adoption.
She still lives with the “guilt” of being an unwed mother in the 50’s. Yet she and my step father fed the Catholic church lots LOTS of “guilt” money on Sunday’s. Truely did not see this $$ spent on those who needed it.
One of the priest at the church I grew up in ended up being one of the biggest perpetrators of the molestation of young boys in the state of Ohio.
While I do believe there are “people of the cloth” who have a serious commitment to compassion and empathy. The perverse lifestyle that “some” in the Catholic system have and continue to live within the protection of that system is out of control.
Sell those fancy clothes priest boys! Give that money to the poor!
PW, Great post. Thansk for your continuing hard work.
It’s funny I wrote Pelosi a note this morning supporting a quick exit from Iraq and adding that this should include mercenaries. Since then I’ve had this nagging worry: What will Dickie’s private army do if they’re all unemployed. This thought is really starting to scare me. We need to get our congress-critters thinking about this too. 100K or so angry, frustrated, and highly skilled mercenaries running around the country with a bunch of very highly placed friends does not look like a good picture to me.
Peterr @ 54
IIRC..Not having a religious test for govt office was the result of a friend of George Washington, a Mr. Phillips, begging Washington to have it included. Phillips was a leader of the Philadelphia Jewish community.
REPORT: GOP Candidates Run From Bush Record
Please forgive OTness but I just put together something. A DC legal secretary was just fired because she moonlighted for Madame Palfrey (ABC news). The firm that fired her? Akin Gump. The same Akin Gump where Goodling’s Dowd works.
What a small town.
Kathleen @ 71
My opinion, there is a book here if you want to pursue it. To protect all parties, you can make it a novel. Sort of reminds me of Cider House Rules.
For those impressed (/snark) last night with Mitt’s “alternate nuclear transfer” as a response to question about stem-cell research, please follow the link.
OT, but Newsweek has this Rove coached Moscella before his testimony. But he did not tell him about his, or Harriet Miers, back door influence, thus leaving Moscella to give inaccurate testimony. That’s obstruction of justice, peeps.
Phoenix Woman @ 57
While it was completely understandable that Jews wanted a homeland to call their own especially after Hitlers criminal and horrendous treatment of the Jews. It was not right or just to confiscate Palestinian land in illegal and immoral ways. The vote at the UN in 1947 was rigged, and the Palestinians were treated and continue to be treated in immoral and illegal ways.
It is absurd to claim a piece of land based on “the Bible” a book written by Jewish men who said they talked to god thousands of years ago. (we know how history books are manipulated)
How absurd!
Can you see the real estate sign
Century 1000 B.C.
Real Estate Broker ..Yahweh
Realtor….Moses
only Jews may apply
Phoenix Woman:
I am an atheist but retain a modicum of respect for the Catholic Church and often wonder why Demcrats don’t:
a) highlight the virulent anti-Catholicism of Republican Christianists, who think Catholicism is basically a satanic cult (admittedly that mitre and crozier and all the attendant ritual can be kind of creepy). I mean, doesn’t anyone realize that the parents and grandparents of these people from Bob Jones and so forth were burning crosses on Catholics’ lawns in the 20’s and 30’s?
b) Remind Catholics of the Vatican’s position on the Iraq war
ok kiddo at 49
i told ya before ok–they don’t have any resources ‘we’ want! human resources don’t count doncha know……..
toolpusher @ 75
there are not six degrees of
separation any more, anywhere — there
are, in my experience, only two (okay,
maybe three, in parts of western montana). . .
my bet is that this is just odd coincidence.
but — lord knows — we’ve seen stranger things
turn out NOT to be coincidence. . .
twolf1 @ 74
It should say “cut and run”.
-GSD
punaise, mon vieux, si tu es la:
Sego ou Sarko?
WaPo’s take on Sunday’s election.
Phoenix Woman @ 57
For starters, there is no Palestianian Lobby in the US as there is an Israel Lobby. For example, what is the Palestinian counterpart to A*P*C? It is not about justice but about power, money, and influence.
OT ~ May 4th 1970 Kent State Massacre
Listen to Thomas Jefferson:
Badwater @ 3
The Emperor Wears No Clothes-The “Commando Guy”!
Kathleen @ 79
While it was completely understandable that Jews wanted a homeland to call their own especially after Hitlers criminal and horrendous treatment of the Jews. It was not right or just to confiscate Palestinian land in illegal and immoral ways. The vote at the UN in 1947 was rigged, and the Palestinians were treated and continue to be treated in immoral and illegal ways.
It is absurd to claim a piece of land based on “the Bible” a book written by Jewish men who said they talked to god thousands of years ago. (we know how history books are manipulated)
How absurd!
Can you see the real estate sign
Century 1000 B.C.
Real Estate Broker ..Yahweh
Realtor….Moses
only Jews may apply
and what’s more it was written in about 630-600BC. It has been proved there was no Abraham (anywhere near palestine, if anywhere at all), No Moses, No Exodus (because the Hebrews did not exist yet), No David, No Solomon, (so no Temple, and no other building either. “Israel” was an organised society of Palestinians in the north when the semi-nomadic hill tribesmen to the South were as-yet completely unorganized….. And what’s more, Titus, in 70-77AD did kill just about all the Jews resident in Palestine, so that today’s Israelis are mostly descended from Jews who had left voluntarily before then. All this on top of the question as to the morality of giving them the whole of Palestine in 1948 when they were never more than the majority pop. of an area which was perhaps 15% of Palestine.
So the Hebrews/Jews became an organized society in about 600BC, were ruled almost the whole time from then until their destruction in 70-77AD, successively by Assyrians, Persians, Babylonians, Greeks and Romans.
What justification for all the bother they are causing MY Social Security as a result of their conning Baby George and Dickie Boy.
Speaking of religious wingnuts
The Ugly Truths Of Babylon’s Media Whore, Bill Donohue
realworld at 72
isn’t that what happened in iraq?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 49
Words like “just”, “dignity” and “deserve” are irrelevant to any discussion of the drawing of maps. Power is the only factor.
The greatest reason the Israeli occupation upsets me personally is not because I identify especially with either side in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, or because I dislike the Israelis so much — it’s because I know my country, the U.S., has irresponsibly and immorally tilted the scales in favor of the Israelis, already stronger to begin with, and thus ensured them a preponderance of power that can only be abused.
Question: Does it seem that nutwing bishops are also more comfortable at targeting women in politics or is it just my imagination? I suppose Sheryl Crow came up on the radar because of her confrontatin with Rove, but I mean really:
I weep for the guy, that the charity chose to raise money for sick children instead of condemning a sinful woman. A faint whiff of misogyny.
sofistic @ 87
in and of itself spiritual.
brendan @ 92
Carter’s book “Palestine Peace: Not Apartheid” is incredible and so insightful!
Somewhat OT, but not much: