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		<title>By: neokneme</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/04/and-the-naral-hits-just-keep-on-coming/#comment-670988</link>
		<dc:creator>neokneme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 22:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;It would be cool to do that with some of the testimony we’ve been reading!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tagcrowd.com/&quot;&gt;Yes&lt;/a&gt;…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It would be cool to do that with some of the testimony we’ve been reading!</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.tagcrowd.com/">Yes</a>…</p>
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		<title>By: Blank Kludge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blank Kludge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 22:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-670937&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Frank Probst @ 84&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Frank’s proposed Constitutional Amendment on abortion rights:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1.  No restrictions on abortion in the first trimester (first 13 weeks) of pregnancy.  No parental or spousal notification.  No waiting periods.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2.  No restrictions on any proecedure necessary to save the life of the mother.  Otherwise, the states can place any restrictions on 2nd trimester (14-26 weeks) abortions that they want, with the following caveats:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;a.  There can be no restrictions on interstate travel for reasons that relate to abortion laws, including no restrictions on the travel of minors.&lt;br /&gt;
b.  If any state refuses to allow an abortion for rape or incest, or for a medical condition that is found in the fetus, and the pregnancy leads to a live birth, then the state is responsible for the lifetime medical costs of the child.&lt;br /&gt;
c.  Clause (a) supercedes clause (b).  Therefore, if California will allow a woman to have a 2nd trimester abortion because the fetus has Down syndrome, but the state of Mississippi will not, a pregnant woman may travel from California to Mississippi, and the state of Mississippi will be required to assume lifetime medical costs of the child.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3.  Third trimester abortions (26 weeks on) are allowed if necessary to save the life of the mother.  Out of respect for a woman’s autonomy, she may decide that she does not want to be pregnant at any time during the third trimester, but the treatment will be either a C-section or an induced vaginal delivery, and the baby will be considered a “person” with all of the usual legal rights.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thoughts?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Truth in advertising ‘clinics’ who seem like providers but use stonewalling, etc to get to at least adoption, or some other result. Often by delaying ‘test results’ or insurance technicalties to be resolved until the third trimester.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Evil.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-670937"><em>Frank Probst @ 84</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Frank’s proposed Constitutional Amendment on abortion rights:</p>
<p>1.  No restrictions on abortion in the first trimester (first 13 weeks) of pregnancy.  No parental or spousal notification.  No waiting periods.</p>
<p>2.  No restrictions on any proecedure necessary to save the life of the mother.  Otherwise, the states can place any restrictions on 2nd trimester (14-26 weeks) abortions that they want, with the following caveats:</p>
<p>a.  There can be no restrictions on interstate travel for reasons that relate to abortion laws, including no restrictions on the travel of minors.<br />
b.  If any state refuses to allow an abortion for rape or incest, or for a medical condition that is found in the fetus, and the pregnancy leads to a live birth, then the state is responsible for the lifetime medical costs of the child.<br />
c.  Clause (a) supercedes clause (b).  Therefore, if California will allow a woman to have a 2nd trimester abortion because the fetus has Down syndrome, but the state of Mississippi will not, a pregnant woman may travel from California to Mississippi, and the state of Mississippi will be required to assume lifetime medical costs of the child.</p>
<p>3.  Third trimester abortions (26 weeks on) are allowed if necessary to save the life of the mother.  Out of respect for a woman’s autonomy, she may decide that she does not want to be pregnant at any time during the third trimester, but the treatment will be either a C-section or an induced vaginal delivery, and the baby will be considered a “person” with all of the usual legal rights.  </p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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<p>Truth in advertising ‘clinics’ who seem like providers but use stonewalling, etc to get to at least adoption, or some other result. Often by delaying ‘test results’ or insurance technicalties to be resolved until the third trimester.</p>
<p>Evil.</p>
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		<title>By: dmoore</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/04/and-the-naral-hits-just-keep-on-coming/#comment-670968</link>
		<dc:creator>dmoore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 22:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT, but, thought some of you might enjoy a little lightness in this otherwise heavy pile of stuff to worry about…&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cagle.com/news/DaviesAnimation/main.asp&quot;&gt;Matt Davies Animation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Hope you all enjoy, and then get back to the worrisome stuff.  :(&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT, but, thought some of you might enjoy a little lightness in this otherwise heavy pile of stuff to worry about…<a href="http://www.cagle.com/news/DaviesAnimation/main.asp">Matt Davies Animation</a><br />
Hope you all enjoy, and then get back to the worrisome stuff.  :(</p>
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		<title>By: jinny</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/04/and-the-naral-hits-just-keep-on-coming/#comment-670967</link>
		<dc:creator>jinny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 22:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-670920&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Frank Probst @ 80&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-670905&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;S.O.S. from MA @ 63&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-670890&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Frank Probst @ 52&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Monica Goodling …  Her lawyer seems to be making a BIG push for immunity right now, and the DOJ seems to be trying to stop her from getting it.  … &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Goodling was recently granted immunity — &lt;em&gt;vide&lt;/em&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/yqzfww&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/yqzfww&lt;/a&gt; — HTH&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not quite.  Congress voted to give her immunity at the time they subpoena her, but the DOJ (who she would presumably be testifying against) has to sign off on it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Prediction:  Rove skates again.  He’s going to claim that he had no idea that Sampson and Goodling weren’t telling everyone else at Justice what they were doing.  Bush told Rove to fire certain USAs for “pleasure of the President” reasons (e.g. Carol Lam–bad hair), Rove passed on the list to Sampson and Goodling, and they did the dirty work.  Rove then “preps” the other DOJ employees, telling them they need to tell Congress exactly why the USAs were fired.  If he’s ever placed under oath, Rove will say he thought everyone was going to say that Carol Lam had bad hair.  He had NO IDEA they were going to try to trot out some horseshit about guns and immigration.  Rove walks, and Kyle and Monica (and maybe Gonzo) are left holding the bag.  Monica looks like she’s trying to flip, which is why she’s being “investigated” right now.  By next week, there will be some sort of story about how she’s out to get poor Karl, because he spurned her romantic advances.  They’ll be portraying her as a raving psychotic by the time she takes the stand.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But Justice apparently have some of Rove’s emails.  His computer was examined by the FBI via Fitz.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-670920"><em>Frank Probst @ 80</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-670905"><em>S.O.S. from MA @ 63</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-670890"><em>Frank Probst @ 52</em></a>
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<blockquote><p>Monica Goodling …  Her lawyer seems to be making a BIG push for immunity right now, and the DOJ seems to be trying to stop her from getting it.  … </p></blockquote>
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<p>Goodling was recently granted immunity — <em>vide</em> <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yqzfww">http://tinyurl.com/yqzfww</a> — HTH</p>
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<p>Not quite.  Congress voted to give her immunity at the time they subpoena her, but the DOJ (who she would presumably be testifying against) has to sign off on it.</p>
<p>Prediction:  Rove skates again.  He’s going to claim that he had no idea that Sampson and Goodling weren’t telling everyone else at Justice what they were doing.  Bush told Rove to fire certain USAs for “pleasure of the President” reasons (e.g. Carol Lam–bad hair), Rove passed on the list to Sampson and Goodling, and they did the dirty work.  Rove then “preps” the other DOJ employees, telling them they need to tell Congress exactly why the USAs were fired.  If he’s ever placed under oath, Rove will say he thought everyone was going to say that Carol Lam had bad hair.  He had NO IDEA they were going to try to trot out some horseshit about guns and immigration.  Rove walks, and Kyle and Monica (and maybe Gonzo) are left holding the bag.  Monica looks like she’s trying to flip, which is why she’s being “investigated” right now.  By next week, there will be some sort of story about how she’s out to get poor Karl, because he spurned her romantic advances.  They’ll be portraying her as a raving psychotic by the time she takes the stand.</p>
<p>But Justice apparently have some of Rove’s emails.  His computer was examined by the FBI via Fitz.</p>
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		<title>By: LS</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/04/and-the-naral-hits-just-keep-on-coming/#comment-670941</link>
		<dc:creator>LS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 21:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-670924&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;neokneme @ 82&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-670910&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LS @ 70&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I would like to see the Pro-choice debate move into a more generalized area of the rules made by men violating the rights of women, i.e., the women are not equal under the law on a whole bunch of issues.  The focus on abortion creates a constant revolving door where the focus ends up in an unwinnable and impossible argument about what is torture of an embryo or fetus; when it should be based on what is torture for any human who is ruled by other peoples’ criminalization of fellow citizens’ personal choices, due to contrived laws made by people who don’t believe in equality of human beings regarding ownership of their own bodies.  Does this make sense?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;focus&lt;/b&gt;…&lt;b&gt;human&lt;/b&gt;…&lt;b&gt;torture&lt;/b&gt;…&lt;b&gt;women&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It would be cool to do that with some of the testimony we’ve been reading!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-670924"><em>neokneme @ 82</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-670910"><em>LS @ 70</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I would like to see the Pro-choice debate move into a more generalized area of the rules made by men violating the rights of women, i.e., the women are not equal under the law on a whole bunch of issues.  The focus on abortion creates a constant revolving door where the focus ends up in an unwinnable and impossible argument about what is torture of an embryo or fetus; when it should be based on what is torture for any human who is ruled by other peoples’ criminalization of fellow citizens’ personal choices, due to contrived laws made by people who don’t believe in equality of human beings regarding ownership of their own bodies.  Does this make sense?</p>
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<p><b>focus</b>…<b>human</b>…<b>torture</b>…<b>women</b></p>
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<p>It would be cool to do that with some of the testimony we’ve been reading!</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Probst</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/04/and-the-naral-hits-just-keep-on-coming/#comment-670937</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Probst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 21:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Frank’s proposed Constitutional Amendment on abortion rights:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1.  No restrictions on abortion in the first trimester (first 13 weeks) of pregnancy.  No parental or spousal notification.  No waiting periods.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2.  No restrictions on any proecedure necessary to save the life of the mother.  Otherwise, the states can place any restrictions on 2nd trimester (14-26 weeks) abortions that they want, with the following caveats:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;a.  There can be no restrictions on interstate travel for reasons that relate to abortion laws, including no restrictions on the travel of minors.&lt;br /&gt;
b.  If any state refuses to allow an abortion for rape or incest, or for a medical condition that is found in the fetus, and the pregnancy leads to a live birth, then the state is responsible for the lifetime medical costs of the child.&lt;br /&gt;
c.  Clause (a) supercedes clause (b).  Therefore, if California will allow a woman to have a 2nd trimester abortion because the fetus has Down syndrome, but the state of Mississippi will not, a pregnant woman may travel from California to Mississippi, and the state of Mississippi will be required to assume lifetime medical costs of the child.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3.  Third trimester abortions (26 weeks on) are allowed if necessary to save the life of the mother.  Out of respect for a woman’s autonomy, she may decide that she does not want to be pregnant at any time during the third trimester, but the treatment will be either a C-section or an induced vaginal delivery, and the baby will be considered a “person” with all of the usual legal rights.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thoughts?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank’s proposed Constitutional Amendment on abortion rights:</p>
<p>1.  No restrictions on abortion in the first trimester (first 13 weeks) of pregnancy.  No parental or spousal notification.  No waiting periods.</p>
<p>2.  No restrictions on any proecedure necessary to save the life of the mother.  Otherwise, the states can place any restrictions on 2nd trimester (14-26 weeks) abortions that they want, with the following caveats:</p>
<p>a.  There can be no restrictions on interstate travel for reasons that relate to abortion laws, including no restrictions on the travel of minors.<br />
b.  If any state refuses to allow an abortion for rape or incest, or for a medical condition that is found in the fetus, and the pregnancy leads to a live birth, then the state is responsible for the lifetime medical costs of the child.<br />
c.  Clause (a) supercedes clause (b).  Therefore, if California will allow a woman to have a 2nd trimester abortion because the fetus has Down syndrome, but the state of Mississippi will not, a pregnant woman may travel from California to Mississippi, and the state of Mississippi will be required to assume lifetime medical costs of the child.</p>
<p>3.  Third trimester abortions (26 weeks on) are allowed if necessary to save the life of the mother.  Out of respect for a woman’s autonomy, she may decide that she does not want to be pregnant at any time during the third trimester, but the treatment will be either a C-section or an induced vaginal delivery, and the baby will be considered a “person” with all of the usual legal rights.  </p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Klein&#8217;s conscience</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Klein&#8217;s conscience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 21:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-670866&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;dakine01 @ 32&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Joe Klein’s conscience @ 27 asks:&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Why didn’t Richardson just go the safe route and say Thurgood Marshall? It’s obvious that Richardson didn’t do his homework there, neither him nor his staff.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s just it.  Marshall would have been the obvious choice for a Dem and he was looking for something not so obvious to set himself apart yet make it look like he was a regular guy.  By picking White and basing it partly on how White had played football, it gave the football imprimatur to him as a “I follow sports like most beer drinkin’ yahoos.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t you go the safe route when you are given a question you are unprepared for?  Richardson just makes himself look like an ass saying White is a hero, when he obviously didn’t do enough homework on the guy.  Trying to be a jock is gonna get his ass blasted out of the pool, something he can’t afford at this point.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-670866"><em>dakine01 @ 32</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><i>Joe Klein’s conscience @ 27 asks:</i>
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<blockquote><p>Why didn’t Richardson just go the safe route and say Thurgood Marshall? It’s obvious that Richardson didn’t do his homework there, neither him nor his staff.</p></blockquote>
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<p>That’s just it.  Marshall would have been the obvious choice for a Dem and he was looking for something not so obvious to set himself apart yet make it look like he was a regular guy.  By picking White and basing it partly on how White had played football, it gave the football imprimatur to him as a “I follow sports like most beer drinkin’ yahoos.”</p>
<p>Don’t you go the safe route when you are given a question you are unprepared for?  Richardson just makes himself look like an ass saying White is a hero, when he obviously didn’t do enough homework on the guy.  Trying to be a jock is gonna get his ass blasted out of the pool, something he can’t afford at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: LS</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/04/and-the-naral-hits-just-keep-on-coming/#comment-670927</link>
		<dc:creator>LS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 21:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why would both Elston and Comey use the exact same terminology and phrasing to described firings of USA’s?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would both Elston and Comey use the exact same terminology and phrasing to described firings of USA’s?</p>
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		<title>By: neokneme</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/04/and-the-naral-hits-just-keep-on-coming/#comment-670924</link>
		<dc:creator>neokneme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 21:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-670910&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LS @ 70&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I would like to see the Pro-choice debate move into a more generalized area of the rules made by men violating the rights of women, i.e., the women are not equal under the law on a whole bunch of issues.  The focus on abortion creates a constant revolving door where the focus ends up in an unwinnable and impossible argument about what is torture of an embryo or fetus; when it should be based on what is torture for any human who is ruled by other peoples’ criminalization of fellow citizens’ personal choices, due to contrived laws made by people who don’t believe in equality of human beings regarding ownership of their own bodies.  Does this make sense?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;focus&lt;/b&gt;…&lt;b&gt;human&lt;/b&gt;…&lt;b&gt;torture&lt;/b&gt;…&lt;b&gt;women&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-670910"><em>LS @ 70</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I would like to see the Pro-choice debate move into a more generalized area of the rules made by men violating the rights of women, i.e., the women are not equal under the law on a whole bunch of issues.  The focus on abortion creates a constant revolving door where the focus ends up in an unwinnable and impossible argument about what is torture of an embryo or fetus; when it should be based on what is torture for any human who is ruled by other peoples’ criminalization of fellow citizens’ personal choices, due to contrived laws made by people who don’t believe in equality of human beings regarding ownership of their own bodies.  Does this make sense?</p>
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<p><b>focus</b>…<b>human</b>…<b>torture</b>…<b>women</b></p>
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		<title>By: EvilDrPuma</title>
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		<dc:creator>EvilDrPuma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 21:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-670917&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;do-si-do @ 77&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;what if Syria feels threatened by terrorists they perceive are hiding in Mexico?  What if they are concerned with preserving and promoting democracy in Mexico?…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I must admit, I think they have a case with the preserving and promoting democracy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-670917"><em>do-si-do @ 77</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>what if Syria feels threatened by terrorists they perceive are hiding in Mexico?  What if they are concerned with preserving and promoting democracy in Mexico?…</p>
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<p>I must admit, I think they have a case with the preserving and promoting democracy.</p>
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