
In his testimony before the House Judiciary Committee today, James Comey sent two main messages:
- With the exception of Kevin Ryan (who had serious management problems), the USAs who were fired were not only competent, but in several cases, some of the best.
- If DOJ is, in fact, using partisan tests for Assistant USAs, it would not only be illegal, but would seriously discredit our judicial system. "I don't know how you'd put that genie back in the bottle," Comey said.
As to the partisan tests in hiring, I want to remind people that the charge is not new. Chuck Schumer first mentioned it publicly 5 weeks ago, and evidence has reinforced that claim in the interim time period. So when Chris Cannon keeps talking about how this investigation–and not the corruption underlying it–has hurt morale at DOJ, just remember that the allegations that Monica Goodling has been using partisan tests in the hiring of career employees has been known to members of Congress (on the Senate side, at least) for well over a month.
Speaking of Chris Cannon, he said that Comey's testimony didn't do anyting to clarify the White House involvement in the firings. But two pieces of evidence released to the public yesterday did. First, there's Carol Lam's description of a conversation she had with Michael Elston about her firing:
On January 5, 2007, I received a call from Michael Elston informing me that my request for more time based on case-related considerations was "not being received positively," and that I should "stop thinking in terms of the cases in the office." He insisted that I had to depart in a matter of weeks, not months, and that these instructions were "coming from the highest levels of the government."
Last I checked, the "highest level of government" in the United States is the President. In this administration, you could argue that Karl Rove and/or Dick Cheney occupy that spot. But in all of these cases, that highest level resides in the White House. Michael Elston basically told Carol Lam that those in the White House,
- Didn't want her to stay beyond January 31, 2007
- Wanted her gone in weeks, not months
- Didn't want her to worry about her active investigations
And if that's not enough to raise your hackles, consider John McKay's description of a different conversation with Michael Elston:
On January 17, 2007 at 2:30pm while still serving as U.S. Attorney, I received a telephone call from Michael Elston, the Chief of Staff to Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty. Mr. Elston proceeded to make a number of statements using a familiar tone which I did not appreciate in light of the circumstances, and related that “no one could believe that they had not seen any incendiary comments from John McKay”. I did not respond. He then indicated that the Attorney General would be holding to general statements about U.S. Attorney resignations in his upcoming testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, and that they had been advised by “OPA” that they could say no more than this about the circumstances of our removals, including our forced resignations.
You see, OPA could mean one of two things. DOJ's Office of Public Affairs. In which case you'd have to believe the Tasia Scolinos was bossing around Alberto Gonzales. Or, it could mean the White House Office of Political Affairs. Given this description–which describes OPA as telling Gonzales what he could say, rather than what he should say, which do you think it is?
I think Patrick Leahy has decided that Karl Rove, and not Tasia Scolinos, has the ability to tell Gonzales what he can and cannot say. So he has subpoenaed the DOJ for any emails in its possession–particularly those DOJ got in the course of the Plame investigation. If I were Leahy, I'd also ask for any emails gathered in the course of the Abramoff investigation, because I'm betting some of those emails relate more closely to the USA hirings and firings of recent years. But it's a broadly worded subpoena, so maybe we'll get those too.
Anyway, the long and the short of it is this: we are circling around the White House's involvement in illegal politicization of the DOJ. We're not going to get any further until we actually start getting information about White House involvement. Whether it's Karl Rove's emails, Goodling's testimony, or Sara Taylor's that gives us that information, getting it is the requisite next step that will determine whether the White House coverup on this matter will succeed or fail.
Note: A few people have gotten confused or objected to my snide use of the term "loyalty oaths" when discussing Goodling. I was using it as shorthand for a range of partisan tests used in the hiring and promotion process, but if it is read without the intended snark, it is misleading. I've adjusted my phrasing accordingly and apologize for any confusion.
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Emptywheel!
LHP too!
emptywheel!
another lag time…
LOS ANGELES, May 2 — As they gather Thursday night at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library for their first debate, the Republican presidential candidates are thrilled at the chance to associate themselves with Reagan.
Good God. “Thrilled”. Reagan thrilling? Reagan, George Bush’s favorite hero. Reagan, anti-woman (abortion), anti-working people (PATCO), anti-environment (”when you’ve seen one Redwood, you’ve seen them all).
Not just hirings and firings, but how about promotions? lots of Democrats under the gun in NC, starting with Meg Scott Phipps during Ashcroft. That USA got a judgeship from the conviction. Nary a single Republican has been looked at. What gives? People should look into the promotions for persecuting – er – prosecuting Democrats.
If Babs Comstock was still DOJ-OPA, I could believe it. But Tasia Scolinos is cut from the same mold as the rest of the young storm troopers — employed because of political connections or utility and for the ease with which they will roll over, sit up and beg when asked to do so by the zampolit in the White House. Scolinos is a tool, manipulated by somebody else, and it ain’t Gonzo.
I’m also wondering if OPA really means “Office of Political Affairs.” Should we call Karl and ask?
It’s Rove.
It’s Rove
It’s Rove
Keep digging EW. It’s Rove
OK, gotta go to work now
Just wanted to note something, might be telling, might mean nothing, but did anyone else notice a certain “McNulty who?” element in Comey’s testimony today.
Not that McNulty really came up much in any event, but all Comey said about him was something along the lines of “I don’t want to put any blame on my successor.”
I don’t think Comey even mentioned McNulty’s name during his testimony, much the less the kind of “Oh, he’s a great guy” enconiums Comey sprinkled throughout his testimony about other peers or co-workers.
Just thought it was odd, and possibly notable, in retrospect.
EW, LHP, any comment?
Get Rove. Karl isn’t a piece of the puzzle. He is the puzzle.
…but here’s the thing. You can issue a mountain of subpoenas (subpoenae?) but if the White House continues to just say “no,” all you end up with is a pile of subpoenas and a pile of “no’s.”
We’ve been talking about subpoenas as if they’re some kind of “sword of the Lord,” but a subpoena without compliance is just a piece of paper, right? I mean, seriously, what’s going to finally kick this process loose?
I feel very discouraged. My expectations about what today would reveal were way too high. And I have no excuse b/c EW wisely wrote in a comment last night that Comey might not be able to help too much because they would have deliberately kept him out of the loop and because he left before most of the shit hit the fan.
Still there should have been better, more focused questions…
Remember when Josh Bolten took over, it was said that Rove was going to work full-time on politics. That was exactly the day Sampson and Goodling started at DOJ according to the timeline. Am I wrong on this?
“Karl Rove’s emails, Goodling’s testimony, or Sara Taylor’s”
I like the odds on this. Probably gonna be 2 out of 3 and that ain’t bad.
It looks like impeaching Gonzales is going to be the only way to open the floodgates on information; the US vs. Nixon precedent would give them the authority to break down any executive privelege arguments for not responding.
Trading impeachment for a special prosecutor would be a fair trade, but Bush is the Decider, not a negotiator.
Goodling looks guilty of suborning perjury and violating the Hatch act- which only calls for termination. Is there anything else criminal she is guilty of? If all DOJ can really investigate is the Hatch act, which calls for termination and she is already terminated, can they block immunization/investigation with their fake internal investigation?
Comey I think was quietly damaging. He certainly showed Alberto is full of cr** and how politicized the process was.
It is also clear why Comey had to leave this administration – too competent, too fair, and too honest. It was clear he couldn’t survive in this administration.
“whether ours shall be a government of laws and not of men is now for Congress and ultimately the American people.”
EPU’d . . .
HotFlash @ 249
Nice job Marcy!
Unbelievable! I just cannot fathom how we are even having these types of discussion in the United States of America. If Rove, Bush, and Cheney get their way with things, there are a raft of 6th grade civics books that are going to be in severe need of an update.
Oklahoma kiddo @
6
Yeah, he was really thrilling when he was governor here, too. My dad, rest his soul, was a lifelong Eisenhower supporter & Republican & couldn’t stand Ronnie Reagan. He said he’d never vote for Reagan because he was an actor & “Don’t forget, Marie, actors, even if they try to be something else, are always acting. In other words, a phony.”
zeppo @ 22
Paging emptywheel . . .
If a bunch of emails turn up missing they can play gotcha with obstruction can’t they?
win/win.
Thanks EW, for your liveblogging and thoughts.
Now if we could only penetrate the WH walls through Rove’s emails or Goodling and Taylor’s testimony.
I know so many of us are frustrated that we haven’t got there yet. And unfortuantely we don’t have a “John Dean” around to crack this corruption ring at the WH wide open…
BTW- in this case impeachment is a means to get information, you don’t have to care about the final outcome- though success would be likely if all the info came out.
I think we’re putting way too much faith in subpoenas.
They can fall like confetti during a victory parade down Broadway but this administration is being told by its lawyers (Gonzales, Addington) that it doesn’t have to comply with anything that issues from Congress because, well, because Congress represents the great unwashed and the unitary executive has no need to trifle with the masses.
Looking at the make up of the DC Appellate Court I don’t think these criminals believe they will ever be held accountable and I’m beginning to believe it myself.
I think everyone was just too excited by what happened in November. These folks aren’t going anywhere, least of all to jail or in front of a bunch of representatives of the people facing impeachment charges.
The rule of law is for the rest of us to be under. Like the Romanovs this cabal believes they are above it all. It’s interesting that this whole thing is playing out in the same time-frame as the February 1917 Russian Revolution leading up to the October overthrow of the monarchy and its enablers.
Quzi @ 26
I think there’s always a John Dean around somewhere. He or She may be going nameless at this point.
OK kiddo @ 6
Ronny wasn’t too fond of students and minorities either, as I recall.
Digression: I got a package yesterday with two Ronny stamps on it. I commented to the guy at the mailbox place that I didn’t think we’d be seeing any Shrub stamps soon, leading to remarks on what Shrub stamps would be: denominated in negative cents, so putting one on mail with first class stamps sends it bulk rate? or, as a friend said later, never sticking to the envelope because everyone would be spitting on the wrong side?
zeppo @ 22
If they get their way we will no longer need civics books.
Where are the whistle blowers, are they all afraid that they’ll end up in Gitmo?
Great “Where We’re at” Post. Thanks EW.
Where we are in this scandal is that there is enough evidence to start impeachment proceedings against Alberto Gonzales. He’s lied to Congress, fired USAs without knowing why, and engaged in a secret re-org to enable the total politicization of the DOJ. Add that to the rumors of “loyalty oaths” and you have a case for impeachment.
Paging Mr. Conyers…
Clusterfuck doesn’t think he’s above the law- rather- like the holy standard Meter in Paris- he IS the law.
Like my momma used to say: “Go with whatya got!”
I’m beginning to wonder if Ashcroft was also asked to step down, too, so the new kids in town could take over.
The team of Ashcroft-Comey looks so much more straight up (and competent) than the Gonzales-McNulty team, doesn’t it? Even if you disagree with both teams politically.
Maybe we could all chip in for an ad in the WSJ & NYT reading:
WANTED: A patriotic copy of the Bush Administration Loyalty Oath. Original preferred.
William Ockham @ 34
I do believe Mr. Dean recommended impeaching Gonzalez first. It’s comforting to have a plan.
TPM Muckracker makes a very good point. Comey denies that Sampson ever mentioned the WH when he asked for imput on “weak” USAs. He said something like that would’ve stuck in his head.
Seems like he was the only person at the DOJ who can remember anything at all…
hey all,
had my american newspapers class today and they had to read 4 different articles about the US Attorney Purge and then we discussed it and why it is such a big deal and how the MSM is not covering it as much EVEN THOUGH there are 4 articles about it in “major” newspapers. I gave them for homework the revelation from a couple days ago, the Mar 20, 2007 editorial from the dude in the W district of Pennsylvania saying the Buchanan chick should resign. And that she appears to have been asked which USAs to fire.
The students are bored of the topic after one class. Or rather, it’s too complex for them to undertand. One thought it was idealistic of me to expect my government to actually uphold the Constitution and I told her we had to believe that some public servants do a fantastic job in this world but that’s not what we’re talking about.
1)They were confused to learn that the President could appoint the USAs based on their political party (and experience) and that of course all of them were from the same party. I had to tell them that in theory (i.e. 200 years), the pure idea of respecting the Constitution and following the law to the letter was their job thereafter, regardless of political party. Should that part of our system be changed?
2)They didn’t understand why Bush wouldn’t fire Gonzales. I tried to explain that have to confirm another AG in these times is going to insure someone who HAS to be honest, not to mention digging up the past 6 years like turning over soil so you can plant some new veggies in the Fall. Embarassing questions about the AG’s role and how it is now, with Democrat-controlled government, all that.
3)The idea that the other 85 (Buchanan, et al) USAs who didn’t lose their jobs might have done something to NOT get fired. It’s unfortunate that this sort of doubt has to be raised but it has to be raised. We need to review the past 18 months of all USAs and current case load to find out who is doing their job and who’s not. I wish we didn’t have to spend tax-payer money to do this but it’s the best way to spend the money.
-000000000
I gotta go grocery shopping but I’m hanging on to every word from this site and a few others. I think this is the biggest story happening within the United States even though I don’t live there anymore and it’s barely a ripple on the surface. Everyone’s “too busy” to really find out what’s going on but this stuff’s been going on for a long time, it’s just more out in the open and “don’t give a rat’s ass if you see it or not” and stall.
At least I’m trying from my end to educate the peeps!
dougR @ 13
Actually, if the Bushistas don’t submit the evidence requested by Congress that will be grounds for impeachment.
IF the Executive Branch hinders or attempts to hinder oversight by Congress they will be breaking the law. They can be nailed for sins of omission as well as sins of comission.
mesquite at 17
I believe Goodling’s handwritten notes on a memo in evidence reflect a ’selection’ criteria list that includes the notation:
- Fed Soc?
That, on the surface of it, looks like a purely political discriminator – which could be criminal if, in fact, all the new placement AUSAs happened to be members of the Federalist Society.
looseheadprop @
9
Which is why I was disappointed why no one asked Comey about how Kelley got fired. That is–surely must be–one of the areas where he could offer the best insight onto the role of Karl Rove in the hiring and firing of USAs.
Englischlehrer @ 41
Good for you!!!!
And I am sure that as confused as they were, some of them will remain curious and interested, and may actually learn to think. It takes time to undo 12 years of a bad education, which no longer requires a single civics class.
One, among many, of the slimey aspects of Bush and his cronies is that the don’t even feel compelled to every pretend to play by the rules. That makes it difficult. Subpoenas? Condi: “No thanks.” Lying under oath? Scooter: “It was all Pumpkinhead’s fault”. I have seen the apt description applied here of “Calvinball”. You think you are losing, or even threatened with being put in a bad situation? Change the rules.
This is not a government. This is anarchy with the trappings of a government.
Is it suggested that they were asked to take an actual “oath” of loyalty???? If even one USA testifies to that, they are toast.
emptywheel @ 44
I don’t want to tell you your business EW, particularly since you are one of my favorite voices in the blogosphere. But as Conyer’s constituent and as an esteemed thinker on the Purge, can you talk to someone in his office about follow up questions that can be submitted in writing?
emptywheel @ 44
I cannot locate the comment, but a while back lhp recommended to Rayne that the question to ask the fired USA’s was, “When was the first time you heard the name Karl Rove?”
1,505 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Emtywheel and the Firepup Patriots:
This is one citizen who is gettin’ very worried about the speed or lack thereof of all the processes of government oversight including war funding. It is time to issue subpoenas to EVERYone up from Goodling and to recall Samson for one last round of questioning regarding the genesis of “the list” and givin’ him one last chance to identify correspondence with the White House.
To you who have put your faith and sweat into our legal system, why have subpoenas not been issued long ago with requests to expedite thru the courts? It is time to force the fascist majority on the Supreme Court out into the open. If they uphold executive privilege then we have another hammer with which to nail the bastards in 2008. It’s time to shit er get offa the pot here, includin’ the war supplemental bill. Squeeze the little folks under oath one more time and then start climbin’ the ladder…let’s get several new special prosecutors enabled in order to have a weapon in the hands of Senate and House investigative committees and, yes, a House impeachment inquiry.
With all deference to “the rule of law”…our legal system has been nothing more than a tool and a cloak for the corporate oligarchy for at least 100 years, our entire system of constitutional democracy is threatened by a fascist coup de main and we need to mobilize the mass of public opinion into the streets in order to provide cover for our elected “leaders”. Remember to…
KEEP THE FAITH AND TELL THE LEADERS WHERE WE ARE GOIN’ FOR THEY ARE OUR LEADERS AND THEY MUST LEAD US!!
JGabriel @
11
It’s a good point. And several other things he didn’t mention/wasn’t asked.
OT ~ GOP SOP: F*ck UP = Get Bonus…OK? AP: Senior VA officials get big bonuses.
If Justice doesn’t grant Congress the right to give Goodling immunity, I say they haul her ass in there and make her take the fifth on a question by question basis…
…we are circling around the White House’s involvement in illegal politicization of the DOJ. We’re not going to get any further until we actually start getting information about White House involvement. Whether it’s Karl Rove’s emails, Goodling’s testimony, or Sara Taylor’s that gives us that information, getting it is the requisite next step that will determine whether the White House coverup on this matter will succeed or fail.
Is it fair to say Sampson knows important facts he is not telling despite his oath to tell the whole truth? Gonzalez knows important facts he is not telling despite taking the same oath? The White House and RNC is sitting on email evidence (despite subpeonas to produce) that would shed some light on the facts? The White House will not cooperate with requests of subpoenas for Bush’s aids to testify?
I think I just read that the DOJ is now investigating Monica Goodling (over at TPM? from wapo)?. Sooooo besides the obvious conflict of interest with that whole investigation, doesn’t that once again muck up the works of the Congressional oversight investigation. Because as long as there is an “ongoing investigation” they can continue to hide behind that. Plus unless I am mistaken if Goodling or anyone else testifies before the any congressional committee on that specific matter can’t that interfere with the “ongoing investigation” by DOJ?
Too me this is kkKarl covering all bases and buying time for his master plan to completely politicize the DOJ with loyal rnc/bush hacks…run the clock out …run the clock out.
I was googling for info on whether/how Supreme Court Justices could be impeached and came across this at the Regent University website.
IMPEACHING FEDERAL JUDGES:
Steven W. Fitschen *
Maybe they’ve come up with something we can use ;).
radiofreewill @ 43
True, but those notes pertained to USA,s not AUSAs. It’s when that is applied to AUSAs that you’ve got a problem.
I’m starting to wonder about why this was a subcommittee hearing, and not a full committee hearing. It strikes me that this was as much an opportunity for Linda Sanchez to be able to say to her constituents “Hey, I’m chairing an important meeting with a star witness” as an effort to dig into the DOJ mess. I was also disappointed that subcommittee member Zoe Lofgren was not there. She is usually very direct, and very good at sifting through things to get to the issue at hand.
I found Comey effective if for no other reason than the fact that his answers kept highlighting the fact that no one seems to know who made the list. But everyone seems to now realize that “performance” had nothing to with the names on the list.
His testimony also heightened my fears that the DOJ IG investigation of Monica Goodling is actually an “investigation” that will simply complicate her immunity deal with the Congress and make it less likely that she will answer the WHO question even though she obviously knows the answer.
EW
Thanks MUCH for the live blogging, and the analysis from you and others.
One thing that keeps nagging at me: several people familiar with Comey commented on how haggard he looked, as if he hadn’t slept in days, etc.
Why, if he’s now in a position safely beyond rover’s grasp? Reasons to be sad and disappointed, maybe, but not so uncomfortable to such an obvious degree. After all, HE didn’t cause this mess. By all accounts, he’s a straight-shooter presumably with a clear conscience.
Anyone else other than me wondering if Comey’s been threatened, & is worried sick over his kids’ future, or even his family’s safety???
This awful administration has already been proven willing to play some pretty evil cards under the table.
Glad to hear there’s a chance Leahy will probe deeper to get this horrible wound lanced and removed from our justice system.
Oh. and have I mentioned !immm*PEECH! yet today?
emptywheel @ 57
Hmmm — I’d bet that if this was used to pick USAs it was also used to choose AUSAs — after all, no one was going to question them about this prior to 11/7/2006.
Unless I’m mistaken, I think it might be better not to talk about Goodling administering loyalty oaths, since the issue is not really, or not only, that notion (or what it sounds like). I take it the issue is Goodling (and possibly others) using some kind of loyalty test in assessing prospective candidates for AUSA (and possibly other) positions inappropriately. Many of those people presumably never got the chance to have a loyalty oath administered. Their applications were just discarded.
The point is, talk of “administering loyalty oaths” makes it sound like Goodling sat down and asked everybody to swear to something. But there could well be malfeasance here without that ever happening, and we don’t what the bar to be set too low for her and others.
P J Evans @
30
For one thing, that’s an old Nixon joke. For another, stamps don’t need to be spit-on (licked) anymore.
(But it still made me laugh.)
OT —- All over the place it is being said that Reid and Pelosi are backing down, that they will give the President the Bill he wants, minus times, not even the woolly ones he has vetoed.
If true……The New Best Congress Money Can Buy rides again!
AJ @ 59
Realization is not the same as proof. Realization, impressions, rumors, suspicion, that is why you investigate. Investigtions are supposed to prove or disprove, not simply create more impressions. I was hoping for some facts, you know, testimony, proof sort of stuff.
Drive by hello from my surgery conference. Great work Marcy!!!
Crossposted at TPMMuckraker:
My understanding is that Comey’s friendship with Patrick Fitzgerald was very well known. Also, wasn’t it common knowledge that he didn’t go along with the White House’s domestic spying program, therefore he was definitely NOT in the “loyal Bushie” camp? I’m truly surprised Sampson talked to Comey AT ALL about ANY of this. And wasn’t there a conversation even later in the timeline, where Sampson contacted Comey re: attorneys?
Was Sampson being stupid, careless, or…?
Karl Rove is a MASTER at playing the “plausible deniability” game – remember, he got his start as the College Director of the RNC under Richard Nixon.
(Rove working for Nixon – Rove appears at 4 minutes into the clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM0zJl9Bxk8 )
My guess is, AGAG was told to delegate authority, then cover his eyes and ears until everything fell into place. He knows more than he’s admitting to, but there’s probably a lot more that was purposely kept from him.
One thing you can always count on – people who are arrogant eventually start believing in their own infallibility. Rove, and especially those Regent graduates who were working for him to make the DOJ just another tool of the GOP, never counted on the kind of scrutiny they’re receiving right now, or they’d have all been more careful.
Hi egreg!!! Hope you are doing well ;->
Over at RawStory: Impeachment ‘more on the table than people think:’ Soon…
twolf1 @ 69
*pant pant pant*
maunga @ 64
Personally, I think they should not bring forward another bill at all. At some point Bush is going to want money.
This is also why having insufficient votes to override the veto is not a disaster either.
Drive-by before reading the comments:
If anyone was disappointed that certain questions didn’t get asked in this morning’s hearings, remember that Rep. Sanchez announced at the closed of the hearing that the record would be kept open for five days for the members of the committee to ask more questions as well as for Comey to revise and extend his remarks.
So, if you got more questions, send them to members of the committee to ask within the next few days.
Bob in HI
Our democracy may be broken…
I’m depressed at the speed and the scope of internal (DOJ and White House)investigations which are feeble attempts to close the barnyard door.
It’s all about “Bushie being Bushie”
We MUST impeach.
re: loyalty oaths – pardon me if I missed something already dealt with but were there actually OATHS? Or was it the “google ‘em” system of seeking information to filter out those who could not be counted on to be “loyal Bushies”
Jane S. @
14
See my comment @72. There’s still time.
Bob in HI
Bob Schacht @ 72
Directory of subcommittee members here.
maunga @ 64
No that is not true here is a http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..office.phplink
Cut the baloney Democrats. Cut off the funding. Get out of Iraq. Get that through your thick heads.
Schumer alluded to loyalty oaths. But he didn’t elaborate.
As things stand now, absent Gore, I will support Edwards.
I found Comey effective in the support of the importance of independence and non-partisan nature of the Justice Department.
I would assume that that is already a precedent.
Bob Schacht @ 75
Thanks for this. I actually put in a plea to EW to make a list of questions for her fellow Michiganite Conyers which she would probably do in any event. I am happy to make calls to committee members and to submit questions but there are better brains out there than mine.
OT–
Time’s list of 100 world’s most influential people. Just what we’ve been waiting for (Bush doesn’t make the list. Elizabeth Edwards does but not John). A snippet:
Oklahoma kiddo @ 80
I second that emotion..
KestrelBrighteyes @ 74
From everything I’ve read it’s not so much that actual loyalty oaths were administered but that Goodling either asked for party affiliation or did research on each candidate’s voter registration.
If there were actual loyalty oaths administered, I’m going to be VERY suprised. I didn’t think this Mal-Administration would be that stupid.
BSL#34, I third that. John Edwards/Wesley Clarke, IMO.
Correction: #84.
Brisingamen @ 85
Never underestimate the power of stupid.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/lolo @ 77
Pelosi And Reid’s Offices Deny WaPo Story Saying Congressional Dems “Backed Down” To White House On Withdrawal
May 03, 2007 — 10:05 AM EST
THE HORSES MOUTH
// Check this out — the offices of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are denying a Washington Post story today saying that Congressional Democrats have backed down to the White House by offering to remove Iraq withdrawal language from the now-vetoed Iraq bill.
Pelosi just went before the Democratic caucus and informed them that the story’s false, a Pelosi aide tells me. WaPo is standing by the story, and the lead writer of the Post piece, Jonathan Weisman, told me that leadership aides told him that the withdrawal language had to go. But the WaPo story goes further than that, saying explicitly that Dems have already “backed down” and offered the concession of removing the withdrawal language. Those aren’t the same thing.
Why report that Dems have already caved in the negotiations if they haven’t yet?
The WaPo front page story says the following:
Democrats Back Down On Iraq Timetable
President Bush and congressional leaders began negotiating a second war funding bill yesterday, with Democrats offering the first major concession: an agreement to drop their demand for a timeline to bring troops home from Iraq.
Democrats backed off after the House failed, on a vote of 222 to 203, to override the president’s veto of a $124 billion measure that would have required U.S. forces to begin withdrawing as early as July. But party leaders made it clear that the next bill will have to include language that influences war policy. Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (Nev.) outlined a second measure that would step up Iraqi accountability, “transition” the U.S. military role and show “a reasonable way to end this war.”
But did Dems actually back down and offer this concession, as WaPo says?
I just emailed a Pelosi aide to ask whether the story was true. Here’s the reply:
Not true. Speaker just told members of the Democratic caucus that the story is totally untrue. We are still deciding what provisions the new bill will include.
Meanwhile, a source in Reid’s office tells me the following: “No decisions have been made on this yet. No options have been ruled in or out.” It’s also worth noting that the New York Times story on this today doesn’t say that the Dems have officially offered this concession, either.
So what happened here? I just emailed Post reporter Weisman and requested comment. His answer:
That is very interesting, since I was told in no uncertain terms by one of her aides that the withdrawal dates had to go, since they could not stand by language Bush would never sign. That was cofirmed by another senior leadership aide and two members of the leadership.
I can say with no reluctance whatsoever that we stand by the story. By the way, nobody has contacted me about it. That should tell you a lot.
Brisingamen @ 85
IMHO, “loyalty oaths” is a convenient shorthand for the vetting that was done. Taking it literally is a mistake.
emptywheel @
44
Emptywheel,
You heard Sanchez at the end: Submit your question to a member of the committee, and ask him/her to ask Comey. The Record is open for five days! Not just for clarifications, but for additional questions!
Bob in HI
Iraq topic
I was half awake this morning and thought I heard the news guy say that the Iraqi Government was going on a 2 month vacation!
How can they meet benchmarks?
How can our men fight for Iraq when they are resting?
Thanks its really bugging me.
I again encourage Sen. Leahy to immediately subpoena officials in OPR and IG. Ask them how/why they began this investigation into Goodling. He can avoid inquiry into status of the investigation. But ask how it got started. Many, many questions can be formulatd here.
But do it now.
Ghostman
Adie @ 70
pleats let it be so. ‘cuffs for Bush.
From the previous thread:
WTF??
zeppo @
22
These fools are the greatest threat the Constitution of the United States has ever faced, and I’m including the Civil War.
Is it any of my business who is paying for Monica’s attorney? Any chance this firm is giving her favorable rates?
I don’t think that the dem leadership has the votes to cut off funding- and cutting off funding to “the troops” would throw them right in the middle of a smoking boiling caldron of shit. We would have goopers controlling all branches of govt. again in 08.
If I were running the dem side I’d do this. I’d fund until the end of the year- and promise the american public and the president that unless certain specific performance criteria are met before the money runs out- there will be no more money.
That would fly politically- and put the dems in the driver’s seat.
Dems need to act like the board of directors with a failing CEO- put the fucker on notice- unless he performs by December- his expensive little experiment will be put out of it’s misery.
Dems need to show that they will not tolerate failure- and this fucker has been talking “winning” for four long years- while losing all the time.
I’ve fired lots of executives who were performing much better than this sack of shit.
Dare I hope that there will be a Serious Discussion of Impeachment? No one in this executive branch has Ever come forth with requested information nor VOLUNTARILY testified under oath as to their actions, discussions (or lack there of!), and their substantiating documentation of such…”uh mah gawd”, as Christy would say!. An Inconvenient Truth of magnitudes.
The filth that has invaded our HIGHEST OFFICE has no historical Comparison. (I’m really trying to not to yell at the computer screen!)
P J Evans @ 30
I lived in Chico, Grass Valley and Auburn during the the reign of Ronnie the terrible . It was pretty grim.
Post bungles report on Iraq negotiations.
The Washington Post reports today that House and Senate leaders have made “the first major concession” in the Iraq debate: “an agreement to drop their demand for a timeline to bring troops home from Iraq.” It turns out the report is false.
from Think Progress
KestrelBrighteyes @ 88
That is too good! Thanks, I needed that!
Count me in on the impeachment of Gonzo. I’m ordering my bumper sticker now.
Ghostman @ 93
Good point.. also asked them “how long will these fucking investigations take” They are running out the clock and we need to unplug the buzzer.
Can you tell that I suffer from time anxiety?
from Air America’s news
Bush will veto putting gays on the hate crimes bill.
Deconstructing COMMANDER GUY-Is this statement horribly funny, or just psychopathic. ThinkProgress has the VIDEO and their own detailed deconstruction.
“Success is not no violence”=Success is Violence
Transcript (with deconstructing commentary):
BUSH: “Either we’ll succeed, or we won’t succeed.” (Year five of Genocide in the Mideast, to the Bushies success is Chaos and Violence in Iraq.) “And the definition of success as I described is sectarian violence down.” (This is a brand-spanking new definition.) “Success is not, no violence.” (I myself think success is NO VIOLENCE.) “There are parts of our own country that have got a certain level of violence to it.” (That is reassuring /s.) “But success is a level of violence where the people feel comfortable about living their daily lives. And that’s what we’re trying to achieve.” (He admits he is trying to achieve a certain level of violence.)
REPUBLICANS WANT VIOLENCE. It is a force that gives them strength.
RonD @ 86
Or Wesley Clark/John Edwards.
IMHO, “loyalty oaths” is a convenient shorthand for the vetting that was done. Taking it literally is a mistake.
How would you secure an USA or AUSA’s commitment(at the time of their appointment or employment) to prosecute a political opponent (or someone in their administration) in the run-up to an election?
The game (I think) thatis being played is the ability to influence elections and using the the USA’s office to do it. (It is an undeniably powerful tool.) The goal of a permanent Republican majority, and dirty tricks going back to tricky dick, are all about fixing elections to favor your republican candidate.
So, if you buy that premise, how would you configure the USA office to accomplish that?
Notice that 6 of the 8 offices are in key districts in the next presidential election.
If Sanchez gets Comey to name names behind closed doors as to who told him their were partisan hiring/firing rumors (which he basically said he will if she asks him to), then they might just get somewhere from his testimony.
If anyone wants to see Comey clips @ TPMMuck
Frank33 @ 106
Wonderfully deconstructed… We are dealing with a deranged and stupid prez… I can’t wait 20 months
I predict Edwards/Obama.
EW – you’re the best! Thanks for the live-blogging and command of the case at hand!
So, it looks like Monica and Kyle were ‘delegated’ to be the hiring/firing Action Officers for ‘non-Senate Confirmation’ placements – needing only Abu’s completely uninformed, uncurious rubberstamp to make the hire/fire decision.
Why wouldn’t a reasonable person conclude that Rove is directing Sampson re: USA’s, and Miers was directing Goodling re: AUSA’s – the overall goal – Karl’s Plan – being to place ‘loyal Bushies’ in key USA Positions in order to control ‘damaging (both ways)’ prosecutions through Political Influence, while surrounding them and saturating the AUSA’s with ’sycophants loyal to the loyal Bushies.’
The whole ‘loyalty oath’ story – and Shumer has used that term – has the ‘ring’ of truth, if only because the methods of removal and selection seem so draconian themselves.
Isn’t this how we would expect an Ideological Movement to extend its subversive power? Or, to use Comey’s phrase – Isn’t this the Genie that got out of the bottle?
Biodun @ 112
As long as Edwards is first… I could even support Gravel for VP
punaise @
94
an ‘is chaineydawg too!
1. I fully agree with rwcole on path for Congress re Iraq funding.
2. Bay Librul:’They are running out the clock and we need to unplug the buzzer.’ I like that.
3. Bush says we’ll either succeed or not. What pissed me off is, if you watch him, he LAUGHED while making that statement. How dare he. Boys are dying over there, and he laughs. He can go to hell.
Ghostman
William Ockham @
34
EXACTLY.
I believe strongly that Edwards could trounce any Republican now in view.
Georgesimian @ 103
WHY stop there?!
LS @ 109
I think that was the subtext of ’sensitivity’ (Hank Johnson?) — get Comey to go back to the people with whom he had those conversations and see if they’ll approach the committee quietly.
I think it’d be useful to assemble a list of questions here, somehow, and get EW/LHP to pick out the best, so that the various subcommittee staffers aren’t forced to deal with lots of individual questions. An amicus brief, if you wish to call it that.
Lou Costello @ 110
TPM writes FIVE (5) articles based on Comey’s testimony today, all accompanied by video from C SPAN 3. Check it out.
Comey Details U.S. Attorney Firings
Comey: Justice Dept. Must Be An “Other” in American Life
Cannon: Firing Was “Fairly Thoughtful, Competent Process”
Comey: Lam Was a “Fine” U.S. Attorney
Comey Was Cut out of Firing Process
1,505 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen oklahoma kiddo and Firepup Patriots:
Gore/Edwards and war crimes trials!!
Kick Lieberman outta the Democratic caucus and put Mrs. Clinton in charge of Senate interns.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T TAKE ANYMORE SHIT FROM ANYONE!!
Biodun @ 112
A dream ticket.
lolo @ 77
To semi-quote John Edwards…SEND IT BACK!
Sorry for the approximative english…
Isn’t it possible that the Democratic leadership has decided to drag these investigations out until next year, to assure themselves of a Presidential win, in light of the mountain of corruption they will unearth???
Oklahoma kiddo @ 100
What happened?
Boner: Protecting People Against Hate Crimes ‘Takes Us Down A Path That Is Very Scary’
Perhaps on Rove I shall, maybe, defer to the big brains in my party. They might be waiting to call Karl in… closer to election time.
Quebecois @ 125
There would be not need to do that. Plenty of fresh corruption whenever they turn over a GOP or bark up a tree.
HotFlash @ 126
I’m not sure I understand the question. ;0)
lolo @ 89
Um, Rahm? Have you been talking to Weisman again?
lolo @ 77
I do not feel in the least re-assured. aides said something, plainly, which was less than an unequivocal “No way, Jose!” which means there is no smoke without the proverbial fire.
This is the moment we must all keep pounding them to send perhaps a stiffer bill back, or at least one only nominally altered, that they should repeat almost as tonelessly as Bush said before the Invasion in that drug-laden monotone “Al Qaeda/WMD/Saddam Hussein” —- “It is the President who is denying the money by vetoing, not Congress!”
Mrs Pelosi should wait until the last possible minute to send the (same) bill back.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 130
What happened in Chico, Grass Valley and Aubern under Ronnie the Terrible that was grim? I know nothing abt CA politics/conditions of that or any time.
emptywheel @ 131
Is that who is sabotaging this EW?
Somewhat OT..but was David Igelesias involved with the dirty tricks in the Wilson/Madrid contest? I think “the clean boy scout” is a bit of a scam. In this era can any Republican be clean? The last might have been Joel Hefley and he was purged.
Guess which USA sent a Vietnam Vet to Federal prison for fraud – as the result of investigations into the Vet’s complaints about the VA?
Biskupic.
At long last, career DOJ employees – have you no shame? Have you no sense of decency?
When will those of you career DOJ employees who know of false prosecutions and other criminal abuses of power place the national interest before your paychecks and step forward to volunteer information about your colleagues’ criminal abuse of power?
When will you step forward and tell the citizens you purport to protect precisely how your colleagues have falsely accused and imprisoned them?
Why do we have to wait for Federal Judges to rebuke you and your colleagues for false prosecutions?
Why were you silent?
How do the AUSA’s in Biksupic’s office sleep at night?
How many crimes will an AUSA commit to keep their job?
Why should any citizen ever trust any of you again?
When did you start to sacrifice Justice to keep your miserable government job?
Stop hiding behind the wait for the subpoena, stop hiding behind the wait for the investigators:
Step forward and tell what you know.
Today.
If you can’t tell the world, tell TPM. Or email the Lake.
Tell what you know of Justice’s crimes.
I’m not doubting the morality of the fine career people at DOJ.
I question the moral courage of all career DOJ attorneys who have not yet revealed what they know of high crimes, misdemeanors, and false prosecutions at the DOJ.
Why are you still silent?
Did you swear an Oath to uphold the Constititution because you meant it?
or because it was just another lie you had to tell to get “DOJ” on your CV?
DOJ career employees: our Republic depends on your moral courage.
Do you have any moral courage?
How will we know?
How will your children know?
From your silence and passive complicity?
Or from your active defense of our Republic and justice?
(The concept, not the Department.)
I know from experience: losing your job by doing the right thing is wrenching.
Losing our Republic by doing nothing is far worse.
Losing our Republic by doing nothing just to keep your job is morally despicable.
We saw today what happens when you wait for the Congressional hearings – the Congressmembers who know most are there to conceal the crimes; those who know less ask ineffective questions.
DOJ career employees with knowledge of DOJ/WH crimes: please step forward today to save the Republic – even if you lose your jobs.
Please come forward and share what you know – while it will still make a difference.
Or stay safe and do nothing.
Stand back, let this happen, and sleep well.
And discard all pretense of concern about Justice.
Be silent while citizens are falsely accused, tried, and imprisoned.
By the people you see in your office each morning.
Keep the professional income going.
It’s just a job – right?
Thank you emptywheel for your work saving democracy. And you are way smarter than your little sister.
rwcole @ 98
Federal funding doesn’t work the way you’re thinking here. The Dems need no votes to cut off funding, Bush did that by the way he’s asked for funds:
First, we run on Fiscal Years not Calendar years. Our fiscal year runs from October 1st to September 30th.
Second, the Defense Department IS funded through the end of this fiscal year (midnight 9/30/2007).
Third, Bush did not ask for funding for Iraq in the Defense Appropriation Bill for FY 2007. He’s kept Iraq off the Defense books by asking for supplementals.
All the Dems have to do is refuse to enact another supplemental bill. They won’t have “cut off the funds” because Defense has been funded (one of the few bills the Do-Nothing Congress actually passed last year).
If no supplemental is passed Defense will have to raid its funding to pay to keep the troops in Iraq. And it is possible that Defense might run out of funds and have to furlough employees until the beginning of FY 2008, that’s assuming that this Congress will have passed their appropriation bill for FY 2008.
Steve @ 135
1.) WRT Madrid/Wilson, you have a linky?
2.) Wasn’t Iglesias purged?
Speaking of LOYALTY OATHS
White House Asks Reporters to Wear Cancer Bracelets
HotFlash @ 137
There’s a littlewheel?
HotFlash @ 137
Oh Yes! There is no contest: computers cannot play rugby.
HotFlash @ 133
Oklahoma kiddo @ 130
HotFlash @ 126
Oklahoma kiddo @ 100
I lived in Chico, Grass Valley and Auburn during the the reign of Ronnie the terrible . It was pretty grim.
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What happened?
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I’m not sure I understand the question. ;0)
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What happened in Chico, Grass Valley and Aubern under Ronnie the Terrible that was grim? I know nothing abt CA politics/conditions of that or any time.
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It would take pages to come near describing the rule of the Reagan regime in California while he was guv. Perhaps this will set the tone. Reagan said one day, during student demonstrations against the Vietnam War, “I wish one of those demonstrators would lay down in front of my car”.
Elliott @ 141
Oh! littlewheel is that pc
Elliott @ 141
It’s a mother-board joke.
Oklahoma kiddo @
80
DING!
That was one messy zig up there at #134. The mods cleaned it up, but let’s please not do that again.
Quoting the quote of a quote of a comment with a link inside it will likely break the margins.
If the margins are pushing the edges of your screen, please refresh your browser.
Hotflash — Comey can’t provide the proof as far as I can tell — but he can keep highlighting the fact that SOMEONE made that list and he MAY be able to point to people inside the DOJ who do have the answers. To me the most valuable thing he did today was to re-emphasize the need to get those missing e-mails and get Goodling under oath.
And Reagan basically applauded the Kent State massacre.
Comey: All that’s necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to be silent.
He choked up here. So did I.
HotFlash @ 133-
I don’t know about Chico, Grass Valley, or Auburn specifically, but you can get some interesting background on the GOP’s St. Ronnie from this:
The Corruption of Ronald Reagan
BTW Dan Moldea’s Dark Victory-Reagan, MCA, & the Mob was almost required reading @ Universal Studios when I worked there…
AJ @ 148
For sure. Iglesias said she had the ‘keys to the kingdom’.
Marie Roget @ 151
Thanks, Marie!
1,505 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen oklahome kiddo and Firepup Patriots:
I was in the Unversity of California system (Irvine) when Ronnie the Terrible was terroizin’ that state… the entire public education system in the state of California from elementary thru community, state and univerities almost disappeared into the ocean.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DO IT TO THEM BEFORE THEY DO IT TO YOU AGAIN!!
Reagan. Bush’s main man. And tonight the Republican presidential debaters at the Reagan Library are “thrilled” at the chance to associate themselves with Ronald Reagan. Disgusting.
Oklahoma kiddo @
143
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What happened?
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I was living in San Jose during that period. RR caused the near collapse of the state’s mental health hospitals. The release into private group homes of mentally needy people became notorious because of the large number of drug-calmed people plodding the streets. They became known as Ronnie’s kids.
emptywheel @
131
exactly what I was beginning to wonder. Good job, lolo!!
Biodun @ 112
Why isn’t Wesley Clark running? Given the state of affairs that will be inherited, some military experience might not be a bad thing.
meanwhile over at BushCo’s MASH unit, they’re asking the press corps to wear Tony Snow yellow bracelets. link via huffpo to abc news.
My first reaction… cynical exploitation of Snow’s cancer. My bleeding heart lib reaction…they’re all feeling bad about TS and they’re trying to make him feel better…
But my old journo side frowns on the “bondage” while my cancer survivor’s spouse side says Mr. Sunshine would never want this–not professional.
Guess it comes down to whether sentiment keeps you from asking the tough questions…or the followups.
Adie @ 119
Don’t, but Gonzo needs to go first. Until he goes, DOJ is run by Rove, and nothing will go anywhere in prosecuting perjury and obstruction of justice.
Cheney next.
Then the Chimp himself.
Bob in HI
You know, it terms of evaluating Comey’s testimony, it is useful to put in context just when he left DOJ and the information stream on a daily basis. Late August 2005, Judy Miller was in Jail, but not quite yet thinking about Aspen Trees and their roots. The indictment of Scooter was two months off, and at the time it looked as if Rove would also get indicted.
What I con’t remember is the name of the person first picked by Bush to replace Comey — all I really remember is that he was one of GWB’s brothers from Skull and Bones, and at some point had some sort of business relationship with Bush. Can anyone remember who that was? The name was quickly withdrawn for some reason, but at the time there was much discussion that the point of the appointment was to bring in someone who would either replace, or do-in Fitz. At the same time there was speculation that Fitzgerald was to be replaced, as his term expired in late fall or early winter. So who was the initial nominee?
Yes, I think Gonzales directly or indirectly fired Comey. He was afterall, the sponsor of Fitzgerald, and Fitzgerald still had Rove on the prongs of the Grand Jury. The original intent might have been to do the DOJ Bush-o-rama using Skull and Bones type loyal friends, but when that effort failed, they settled for the Religious Zealots. In one of the pieces about Comey’s departure from DOJ published recently, the point was made that no Senior Political types attended his Departure Speech in the Great Hall — but the place was packed with Career Professionals and leadership.
And yes, Ashcroft was fired as AG right after the 2004 election with the Honors being delivered by Andy Card. Ashcroft had no interest in leaving and apparently put up something of a stink internally. It was rather like the removal from State of Powell.
WRT: Iglesias. If there is anyone reading who can send info along, the Albuquerque Journal published articles a month or so ago, when Iglesias was spilling the beans. In these articles, several Republican operatives including Allan Weh (just re-elected chair of state Repub party), lawyers Mickey Barnett and Pat Rogers said they had personally talked to Rove (at a $5000/person luncheon fund raiser held at a home in Abq where only a few people attended) about the need to get rid of Iglesias. They bragged that Rove said, “He’s gone.”
Perhaps one of the committees could issue subpoenas for some of these braggarts?
HotFlash @
137
You’re related to emptywheel? Wow!
HotFlash @ 153
those damn hollywood types, always mucking around in politics
HotFlash @ 133
You should read The Last Days of the Late, Great State by Curt Gentry. (It’s way out of print, unfortunately.)
turkish bill @ 163
No, but emptywheel’s parents both worked for IBM. They were on the PC project when emptywheel was small. She said once that she still resents all the attention her ‘little sister’ the PC got from them.
Either one of ‘em is way smarter than me!
Sara @ 161
And don’t forget how Ashcroft got the job, he lost a close election to a dead man and was going to fight for a recount; but BushCo got him to take the AG job so there wouldn’t be the distraction of a contrasting recount issue as BushCo steals FL.
well, that appearance and testimony were a joke.
mesquite @
17
This is a really good question and I’m wondering if any of the lawyers here know the answer. I’ve been worried that either Golding or DOJ would use this investigation to block or blunt immunity. But if there is no sanction that can be applied to her as a result of the findings of the investigation by DOJ can this have any impact on immunity? I would think not but IANAL. Other than the hatch act violation are there any other statutes she could be under investigation for in relation to the politicization of hiring? Thoughts?
P J Evans @ 165
Thanks for the recommend, I can pro’ly get it at my (very excellent) Toronto library. And I am getting an interesting divident, I didn’t now about the Bronfman family’s interest in H’wood (Bronfman family of Montreal = Seagram’s). I once worked for one of the Bronfman brothers, back in the ’80’s. *Interesting!*
new thread
Tula’s got an excellent new thread upstairs.
maunga @ 142
LOL, I had forgotten I had told that story. I AM way smarter than my little sister. But then, given that she maxed out at something like 640 KB, it doesn’t take much, does it?
Oh, oh, Sara in da house!
NYT opinioner says Senators should seek sack of Slime-A-buG.
Pretty succinct for the first sentence…
If Tony’s ready to come back to work- then he’s ready to take incoming. If ya can’t stand the heat- go home.
Norske @ 154 – I don’t dispute that Reagan was unkind to the educational system in CA, but the longest lasting harmful effects to education and public services in general can be laid at the doorstep of the 1970’s Jarvis-Gann Prop. 13 “tax revolt” initiative.
Emptywheel — meiotically selling yourself again, hein!
I am intrigued that Josh copies your verbal delivery in his daily chat.
Elliott @
167
A dead man who went down in a plane crash, IIRC. My tin-hat inclinations have always held that Cheney was so sure the mysterious ‘plane-crash’ plan would work that he couldn’t give it up with Carnahan’s posthumous victory; so, he tried it again on Paul Wellstone and it paid huge dividends. In one fell swoop (abysmal pun, sorry) he removed the biggest dove in opposition to what would become the Iraq debacle and installed the most prolific water carrying boy for the administration in the person of Norm Coleman.
I’m susceptible to conspiracy theory, by nature, but the problem with this administration’s track record is that anything they have denied in the past is turning out to be true…true and worse than imagined. What wouldn’t this collection of narcissistic misanthropes be capable of?
punaise @ 177
Yep, I had enough sense (and read the text) and voted against that (and for the other prop – #8, IIRC). June 1978.
P J Evans @ 180
That’s probably the first time I could vote, and to be sure I voted against those measures.
CA schools went from top-tier to bottom-tier in less than a generation.
When interviewing or covering John Edwards, they will no doubt wear yellow Elizabeth wrist bands too.
punaise @ 177
Yes. And Ron like Howard. Very much.
maunga @ 178
What do you mean by that?
Maybe it’s just something typical for PhD-bloggers. Have you seen Duncan (Atrios) do the same thing?
Higher education in Cali, right before Reagan took office as governor, was number two (behind NY) in monies spent. By the time Reagan left, spending for higher education was near the bottom respective of other states.
HotFlash @ 170
not aiding and abetting self-kidnapping, were you?
punaise @ 181
It also screwed anybody who wanted to buy a house, or move. Property taxes were tied to market value at time of purchase, so moving from a very modest house to another house of equal value could double or triple the taxes.
Reagan, higher ed and protests:
http://www.library.sfsu.edu/ab…..ticle.html
PJ @ 165
I haven’t thought about that book in 30 years — great recommendation. Someone should do an updated version.
emptywheel @
184
It is in the cadences and intonation. You went to similar schools, so perhaps it is an age and education environment connection. I did not notice the same similarity in Atrios.
OT — I am delighted to see that the Dirty Digger’s (Private Eye and DownUnder for murdoch!) Super how many is not doing so well; how sad! Well if he wants to make rugby even more like League he should sod off and fund a nasty R League circus.
johnSwifty @ 179
I’m the same way, and feel the same way you do about the BushCo administration.
Elliott @ 191
Anything connected to Cheney is likely to be underhand and grubby. He being a paranoid is convinced we are after him. He’s right: the principle is true…… “The fact you’re paranoid does not mean we are aren’t after you!”
I just called Sanchez and told her person to keep looking into this and then they transferred me to the actual committee office and I asked if Comey was testifying again and he said no and I said, that can’t be it. And he said no, with a bit of enthusiasm. I told him that there’s no way we have gotten down to the bottom of this problem. And he said no, with more enthusiasm. By the time I got off the phone, that dude was energized!
spurious @ 187
on the (perverse) plus side, it has created a captive market for home additions and remodels for folks reluctant to give up their advantageous poroperty tax basis.
Englischlehrer @ 193
Did you get the majority or minority staffer for HJC? Just curious if they made a point of delineating that.
ounaise @ 194
Especially for those people who bought ten or twenty years ago and can’t afford to move, because the cost has gone up more than their income (so they’re trapped).
I heard the two resident Bushbots on the train yesterday – one of them started to say something about ‘affordable housing’ being a code word. I put my hands back over my ears at that point (they’re loud), so I can’t say where they went from there, but it was probably about affordable housing bringing in Undesirables (meaning ‘Not Like Them’).
emptywheel @
184
I met some strangers at a local political meeting who had seen some of my e-mails, and they immediately addressed me as Dr. Schacht. I was taken aback, because I rarely use my degree in my signature, so I asked them why they addressed me that way. Their response was something to the effect that I write in whole sentences that actually make sense (I only wish that this was true!). Maybe that’s it! You write in whole sentences that make sense!
Bob in HI
Michigan ‘73
I’d like to put a piece of yellow duct tape on the media’s mouth.
Sara @
161
Flanagan
Hotflash @ 152 mentions the “keys to the kingdom” comment by Iglesias about Goodling. That comment has a much deeper significance than most people realize. Iglesias is a devout evangelical Christian who knows his Bible well. He’s making a very specific allegation about Goodling. He’s saying that Goodling was given complete (and secret) authority by the White House to make decisions at DOJ in these matters. He’s saying that Alberto Gonzales wasn’t in charge. Paul McNulty wasn’t in charge. Kyle Sampson wasn’t in charge. Monica Goodling was in charge (and this was before the Murry Waas bombshell).
I’m not sure Iglesias is right about this, but I am sure that’s what he meant.
neokneme @ 175
Yeah, but in another sentence in the same NYT is this:
United States attorneys, though subject to confirmation by the Senate, serve at the pleasure of the president.
lhp proved that was BS yesterday.
Sara 161, re: post Comey nominations.
http://www.techlawjournal.com/…..050816.asp
punaise @ 194
True, for them that can afford it! The people who really benefited were wealthy residents who already had their ‘ultimate’ house, and of course business.
EPU from Liveblog I: Several interesting articles about Tom Feeney’s troubles over on Bradblog. Also story today about Missouri being groundzero in attempts to restrict Democrats vote in 2006. There is a DOJ angle.
P J Evans @ 196
Amen.
CHIMpeach?
Elliott @
164
HotFlash @ 153
Marie Roget @ 151
HotFlash @ 133-
I don’t know about Chico, Grass Valley, or Auburn specifically, but you can get some interesting background on the GOP’s St. Ronnie from this:
The Corruption of Ronald Reagan
BTW Dan Moldea’s Dark Victory-Reagan, MCA, & the Mob was almost required reading @ Universal Studios when I worked there…
Thanks, Marie!
those damn hollywood types, always mucking around in politics
Not the point, even if humorous…
“If DOJ is, in fact, administering partisan tests for Assistant USAs,”
…that last column on Goodling’s and Sampson’s vetting list (the one titled FedSoc, short for “Federalist Society”) should be proof enough there was a loyalty “factor” if not an outright loyalty pledge.
PS-Draft Marci for Congress!
I am not the least bit snarky about this, Jane, Christy, all the FDLers, think on it, we could help with campaign contributions, and she could keep a running blog about the whole process.
She would make for a very reliable and trustworthy lawmaker, and she would surely keep them honest! And she’s a lawyer, too!
Someone will probably tell me to drop this idea, for one reason or another, and I will drop it if Marci just doesn’t want the load.
But it seems to me these are the kind of lawmakers we really need. And this blog has the kind of influence to get behind someone like this.
Ask me to shut up or agree with me, but I think it is a good idea.
JEP @ 208
Yes, people with integrity really rock! My campaign slogan: It’s the Constitution, Stupid!
apologies if someone else already said that…
JEP @
208
Like she says, not as long as John Dingell holds that seat.
Bob in HI
spurious @ 203
Ouch! you guys!
I live in California and have completely numbed out on this undoable real estate atrocity.
What makes it worse is a certain smugness of people who earned during the go-go FIFTIES.
Bob;
If Hillary can move to NY and run for office, EW could move just about anywhere ther’s a bunch of bloggers to help her campaign, and still win against one of the outgoing R’s.
Just a suggestion, but we NEED some serious, intelligent and politically astute bloggers to run for office, and make a daily blog out of it. Feingold’s got it working, now, but most of them are still computer cavemen (and women.)
How much more sunshine could be shined, than a blogger in da House? And Marci has proven conclusively that she has the instinct to stare them down whenthey lie and say “that’s a lie” which is one of the qualities we find completely absent in allpolitics these days.
SOMEONE needs to start calling the liars liars when they lie, instead of ten years after.
William Ockham @ 200
I agree, including the secrecy bit. Christ to Peter according to Matthew 16:19 “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[f] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. 20 Then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ.” Monica is *huge*, she’s the freaking Pope of the DoJ.
spurious @
203
many the middle-class homeowners (my clients, btw) “afford it” by tapping into the equity created by massive appreciation.
Unless I am mistaken, one of the most important keys to “The Kingdom” Ms. Goodling aspires to is “Truth.”
Unless she’s actually emulating Pilate, and has a floating “what IS truth?” standard.
That would explain some of our confusion. And most of her deception.
Punaise — then we have market-value mortgages instead of paid-for homes.
JEP @ 215
Not sure what you are meaning here. The ‘keys to the kingdom’ to Peter meant he *made* truth. She says, so it is.
The local Seattle CBS noon news just aired a very good segment on Comey’s testimony. The various times he refuted Gonzales’ previous statements were highlighted with video. This region is paying close attention because of McKay. The coverage lifted my spirits.
Ask Goodling for “the truth” about whether she believed hiring “loyal Bushies” was promoting Jesus, and we might get a very convoluted and colorful “You can’t handle the truth” moment.
Too many Evangelicals abandon any semblance of real truth and justice when the get brainwashed by their preachers (and in Goodling’s case, her law professors) into thinking they can “lie for Jesus.”
The ‘keys to the kingdom’ to Peter meant he *made* truth. She says, so it is.”
Maybe Monica translates it like that, but I don’t. And that might be her worst mistake in all of this, and one of the reasons she can justify lying to “us.”
Just mho, but I think you should consider Peter’s keys more as precedent than truth..
What Jesus meant was, “what you value on Earth will be valued in Heaven.” But Jesus never suggests a floating decimal point in the basic concept of “Truth” it is a constant, not a variable.
punaise @ 214
If they can afford the resulting mortgage payments.
In re: “keys to the kingdom”
I was also wondering if he was aiming that comment at someone in particular. Iglesias strikes me as someone who could do that naturally without a lot of calculation. I happened to run across this today and suspect the phrase may have had special resonance for one of Iglesias’s friends:
Comey graduated from the College of William and Mary in 1982, majoring in chemistry and religion. His senior thesis analyzed the liberal theologian Reinhold Niebuhr and the conservative televangelist Jerry Falwell, emphasizing their common belief in public action.
(My long-suppressed inner academic nerd self would love to read that…)
It would be nice if Cannon could explain how he knows so much about what is driving the low moral at the DOJ and why this is the wrong thing to be investigating.
Cannon how come you seem to have made decisions on information that no one but you has??? Maybe you should be on the testifying as to how you came in possession of these “facts”?????
Ghostman @ 116
The strategy SHOULD BE to place the decision-mnaking for evaluating “progess” outside of Bush’s contriol.
Here’s how to do that and place him in even MORE of a corner.
1) Only give supplemental funding for periods covering 2-3 months. That way another Bill will have to be brought back and this issue will keep being placed before the recalcitrant Democrats and Republicans. If no dramatic change occurs in Iraq for the better (and who really expects that it will) then there will be even nmore pressure on these Congresspersons to pass and override an even stricter bill with deadlines.
2) By only funding for a short-term you can even give Bush his “bill without timetables”…the bill itself becomes the timetable.
Petraeus said that it would be inappropriate to undertake assessments of progress until the end of Summer. Okay, fund until the end of Summer…Petraeus has to come back and JUSTIFY staying any longer and defend the success of the “surge”.
If no significant progress then fund only withdrawal activities. Clear out by the end of October.
3) Fund using a special tax on corporations that have benefitted from the war through receiving contracts (e.g. Fluor, Bechtel, McDonnel Douglas, Raytheon, General Dynamics, SBR-Halliburton, Blackwater, etc.) or oil companies. Reintroduce the taxes cut by Bush on the top-10% of income earners to pay down the “war debt” over the past five years.
Brisingamen @ 138
So where-oh-where can they reallocate funds from…maybe one of those major weapons projects? The Missile Shield? Star Wars? I can bet it won’t be projects in Connecticut! I bet it will likely be in districts with Democratic Congressional delegates or Senators.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 143
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It would take pages to come near describing the rule of the Reagan regime in California while he was guv. Perhaps this will set the tone. Reagan said one day, during student demonstrations against the Vietnam War, “I wish one of those demonstrators would lay down in front of my car”.
Reagan as Governor instituted tuition at the free UC system and other colleges as revenge against the “revolting students”. He fired the UC President, introduced a slew of corporate and right-wing cronies to the Regents and Trustees of the Cals State and Community College system. He initiated the trends that resulted in “Prop. 13″ that led to the declines in California public schools from being one of the best, to one of the lowest 20% in the country. He iniated the ravaging of the State Parks (a policy he continued with the National Park and Federal lands when he became President) for commercial interests.
State mental institutions were shut down, releasing thousands of incapacitated people to live on the streets….until they committed a crime (and the Prison system blossomed as a result of that…and marijuana arrests).
Rayne @ 195
I don’t know.
spurious @ 187
punaise @ 181
P J Evans @ 180
punaise @ 177
Yep, I had enough sense (and read the text) and voted against that (and for the other prop – #8, IIRC). June 1978.
That’s probably the first time I could vote, and to be sure I voted against those measures.
CA schools went from top-tier to bottom-tier in less than a generation.
It also screwed anybody who wanted to buy a house, or move. Property taxes were tied to market value at time of purchase, so moving from a very modest house to another house of equal value could double or triple the taxes.
But the realtors and the developers LOVED it! Realtors were fixed in their rates and tenants were charged more “because we have to pay property taxes”. In fact that was simply bull-dada. Eventually the State legislature voted in a pawltrey “rebate” that really didn’t cover anywhere near the increasing rents. Suddenly you had these vast large-scale apartment management groups that were making people into multi-millionaires. And churning that wealth back into Conservative political campaigns…many of them becoming candidates themselves (e.g. Pombo).
shoepuker43 @ 204
Here’s a link to the McClatchy investigative article about the Republican election tampering. They essentially used the bogus accusations and investigations as springboards for legislative actions to purge legitimate voters from the rolls, often without notice; to block Democratic and independent voter registration and get-out-the-vote efforts, etc.
http://www.realcities.com/mld/…..168096.htm
Maybe 100,000 legal voters may have had their voting status and even CAST VOTES voided in Missouri alone!
Bottom line:
If the federal prosecutors are getting too close to your friends, why, just fire em, and by the time someone is able to pick up the case and make any sense of it, your friends will either have time to leave the country, shred the evidence, or bribe someone else. And besides, the people you put in there take orders from you. What a sham. And the boy king is still doing it.
We’ll be lucky if he doesn’t stage something and declare martial law so we don’t have an election.
Maybe the lunatic fringe (like me) ain’t so crazy.
EW – Thanks for clarifying your use of the term ‘loyalty oath’ as meaning the application of politically-biased selection criteria rather than a literally administered ‘oath of loyalty.’
I googled ‘loyalty oath’ and got a variety of hits – mostly blog comments, but from many different blogs – and the term seems to be getting used more loosely than well-defined, as well as more emotionally than factually.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 6
Lest we forget, to Reagan, catsup was a vegetable. And obviously he’s a hero to Shrubbie: while Shrubbie “vacations,” Ronnie just slept through his whole eight years.