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I'll watch the GOP debate but the sanctification of Ronald Reagan leading up to it might seriously overtax my digestive system by the time it starts. Are these people are living in a dream world — a "great philosopher" with "perfect political pitch"? Brokaw and Matthews sound like a couple of rubes talking about this amazing medicine show they've just watched as they look for the hair to start sprouting out of their mutual bald patches. Do they not have any comprehension that the guy they are hailing as "the father of modern conservatism" can claim as his progeny George W. Bush and all his failures? I guess not.
I'd love it if Matthews would take the trivial tack as Williams did with the Dems last week, but I don't expect it. One would think that if they can discuss Edwards' haircuts and Joe Biden's gaffes in a debate they could certainly ask about McCain's temper tantrums. I doubt that they will even near the issue of ties to corrupt, rich businessmen as they did with Obama because well, the debate only lasts an hour and a half. (And I would think it's important to hear about Romney's underwear and Rudy's ferret problem. These are character issues.)But Matthews probably won't ask any of these questions. Republicans are serious, manly people and deserve to be treated with respect.
So, this will end up being a contest for best Ronald Reagan imitator, with Matthews no doubt feeding them straight lines.
I'd also like to note that MSNBC partnering with Politico Drudge Lite for the GOP debate aptly demonstrates the uncomfortable coziness with traditional media and the right wing noise machine. Did anyone ask Kos to co-sponsor the Democratic debate, even though Kos is much larger and has a geniuine, organic audience which doesn't depend on Matt Drudge for 65% of all their traffic? I guess not.
James Boyce has some questions he'd like to see asked.
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Jane!
Wahoooooo!
My second zed!
Drinks for everyone before we begin looking at the very serious Gooper Debate!
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Our cable TV is out — talk about bad timing! Will the debate be streamed online anywhere, or will you folks be live-blogging it, or will it be on NPR?
I got here through the main page.
Is there a pool as to how many time Reagan’s name gets spoken tonight?
I’m putting the over/under at 50, but I’ll be watching “Earl”.
It’s more realistic.
Jane!!!!
Capital J @ 5
If you are in sacramento most folks have no cable.
Congratulations, Radiofreewill!
For a while there I thought I was going to have to fill-in the notch I made on my keyboard…
((((((Jane))))))
radiofreewill @ 1
Congrats!
Don’t forget as well Digby’s suggestion that we all play Conservative Failure Buzzword Bingo to make the evening’s festivities more tolerable.
Alternately, you could just drink a shot every time someone says “timetable for failure”. Shouldn’t take you but half an hour to lapse into a coma…
Abu Gonzales’ fan club just lost another member: “Rep. Adam Putnam, the No. 3 Republican in the House, is calling for Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to resign.”
capital j,
I just tuned in. KO saying Bush gave himself power to arrest Americans, huge spending, huge debt. What’s conservative about that?
Pat Buchanon responded on what Conservative should mean
A Ron Paul / Mike Gravel ticket would make us America again.
For those who can stomach watching the idiots (both talking heads and rich white guys) blather on, may the good dog bless you. For myself, there ain’t no good buds around that could get my head to a place where it would be tolerable.
Fortunately, baseball is in season.
Jane, how do you feel about Ronald Reagan? *G*
Bummer Ray Charles died at the same time. He didn’t get the respect he deserved, I thought, because it was all Reagan all the time.
A question that won’t be asked:
Your Honor, have you ever apologized to the families of the firemen who needlessly went to their deaths because your
dictatorial regimecity administration failed to supply adequate radios?This is not about history, its about Myth. The dominant myth in GOPerland today is their Legend of Ronald Raygun. It inspires them and instructs them in their shared view of the universe.
In some ways, it is parallel to the Democrat’s Legend of JFK, as a kind of Camelot.
We can understand the parties much better if we understand what their ruling myths and legends are. Raw history is not inspiring. Myth and legend are inspiring (viz, Camelot.) In a legend, you can dispense with tedious and problematic details, and you can ignore inconvenient facts.
Bob in HI
Ed @ 16
Gravel/Paul if that’s the case. Gravel is an old-fashioned liberal. Who admits it proudly.
besides, I think Fred Thompson will be the R nominee, which makes this even more an exercise in uselessness and ultra-annoying sophistry.
Are they having this at the Raygun library to remind them all of St Ronnie’s 11th commandment, not to speak ill of their fellows?
Here’s a good question to start off with:
To all ten candidates, we’ll start on the right and go in order.
Have you ever had communication with Pamela Martin or any of her associates?
I’ve killed enough brain cells for recreation, I am not going to watch these wannabe’s pose.
Thanks Loo Hoo and CTuttle!
I’ve always thought the GOP operates on a succession system. In 2000, it was Bush’s turn.
In 2008, it’s McCain’s turn.
A GOP debate is different than a Dem debate. Tonight, all 10 candidates are likely to sing out of the same GOP Hymnal – and never once mention Corruption or the People’s mandate from 11/07/06.
In a word, it ought to be BORING.
Is that a flag-draped coffin behind them?
Raw Story indicates it will have live coverage….
jayt @ 7
On other blogs .. there is talk of drinking games .. as relates how many times Tweety and all mention Ray-gun … heck .. I doubt it would take people that long to get sh-t faced .. considering how likely they are to fellate Ray-gun’s memory
LS @ 24
Or raise your hand, any hand, if you haven’t had sex with it yet.
LS @ 24
Now that is a very very good question.
When are the Republicans finally going to give an older, White male a chance to voice his opinion on a national stage?
One of the more painful parts of any debate in the last six years, to me, was when Dick Cheney answered a Gwen Ifill question about HIV-infection rates in African-American women by saying he wasn’t aware it was an epidemic. He then lamented the loss of productivity in parts of Africa. I wonder (but not too much) if there will be any discussion at all about the issues facing women today. Other than their obvious positions on abortion, of course.
CocoaBeach @ 23
Aww, don’t spoil the fun!!!!
Doesn’t Al Qaeda mean “the base” in Arabic?
Will Nancy wear her signature color, AIDS-Blood Red?
“I’ll watch the GOP debate”
Not me. I’ve DVR’d three episodes of CSI for the occasion. I’ll watch the
postmortemanalysis afterwards though ; )CocoaBeach @ 23
Praised be his name
I’m so sure these very serious candidates won’t be wasting America’s precious time frivolously, at all.
;>)
Porsupah @ 14
You mean Representative Howdy-Doody? I don’t believe it. He is one of the dead-enders!!
TeddySanFran @ 35
With a big button that says, “Just Say NO!!”
O/T: A good read: “Why there was no exit plan” by Dan Hamburg.
Will young Ron be commenting remotely from some bathhouse in LA?
CocoaBeach @ 23
According to Carla Marinucci @ The Chronicle, it is at the library in front of Air Force One
And, she adds
I’m betting the over
Darkblack at 37-
Wow, that made me laugh out loud. Love the thumbs up
Trends since 2003.Following the six week “Shock and Awe” invasion phase (March 19 – May 1, 2003), which alone caused the deaths of some 7,400 civilians, the violent death toll has steadily risen year-on-year. There were 6,332 reported civilian deaths in the 10.5 months following the initial invasion in year one, or 20 per day; 11,312 in year two, 55% up on year one’s daily rate; 14,910 in year three (32% up on year two); and a staggering 26,540 in year four (78% up on year three, and averaging 74 per day). Not counting the 7,400 invasion-phase deaths, four times as many people were killed in the last year as in the first. And from the invasion to the present, at least 110,000 civilians have been wounded, 38,000 of them during year four.
(bodycount.org)
The president says that winning consists of reducing violence- losing then would be INCREASING violence- right?
But in four years, the pres has managed to increase violence steadily FOUR TIMES…That means he’s LOSING- doesn’t it? And that makes him a LOSER doesn’t it?
Isn’t it interesting that none in the press saw fit to reply to the pres with the FACTS?
Leave it to Republicans to park an airplance in a liberry.
Each candidate can recount the many times that they gave Ronnie the Magnificent a blow job- thereby giving him yet another.
Gooper primary—the candidate with the most poorly developed gag reflex wins.
Here they come, Mr. America…
lolo, where are the musiccal notes characters?
HA! KO says like heffers at the County Fair!
Fineman talking about how great the economy is, stock market and unemployment. When will these bozos understand that most of us don’t make money on the stock market and that the underemployed and those who’ve stopped looking aren’t counted in the unemployment numbers?
“nobility as an event” — Fineman. blerrrrgh
CocoaBeach @ 43
Excellent, darkblack!
Look for Global War on Terror and Islamoblambo-fascist-terrorist Iraqi Al-Qaeda types that are going to kill us all any minute. The big word will be IMMIGRATION – ILLEGAL ALIEN Islamoblambo-fascist-terrorist Iraqi/Iranian Al-Qaeda types that are going to sneak through the border and kill us five minutes after the other terrorists kill us and our embryos and and steal our jobs. That’ll get the votes.
TeddySanFran @ 50
Because Nancy Davis, B-movie starlet, and Arnold Schwarzenneger, B-movie bodybuilder, are in attendance. Then Fineman whispers that “Republicans are down”
Rumor is St. Ronald will descend from the heavens on gossamer wings and hand annoint his chosen one….
Then he’ll return to ignoring his children.
-GSD
Beer O’clock approaches on the Left Coast.
Rudy just asked where the books on suicide are.
Bustednuckles @ 55
martini chillin
TeddySanFran @ 57
Can I have the olive?
My first question:
Mr. Giuliani, when and why did you decide to remove that Godawful combover from the top of your head?
-GSD
too late, LS!
Checkin out the library fer the script fer the Ronnie presidency- written in 1948—sat for years while gooper casting looked fer the right lead.
Jane! Watch out! From Time/CNN’s Swampland:
Geez, Cox started out as the sassy blogger who created the Wonkette back when it was fun to read, and now she’s, well, all grown up and serious, writing for an MSM blog! And although she’s reaching the right conclusions, she’s, well, not much fun anymore. I suppose there’s some consolation in that she’s probably making a gazillion times more money than she could earn as a Wonkette! What do you suppose happened? Will the same thing happen to you? Will the WaPo hire you as their chief bloggette, and will you become oh, so sensible?
Bob in HI
GSD @ 59
And did it cost $400?
Reagan’s singular success came from being in office when OPEC collapsed, saving the US from suffering the full cost of Reaganomics, and when Lech Walensa and the Poles exposed the USSR’s internal disfunctionality.
That is, he got lucky.
Second question:
Mr. Gilmore, who the fuck are you?
-GSD
Tweety fellating StRonnie with an intro video.
TeddySanFran @ 63
“it” the one hair – the wild one.
faint stirrin heard from the coffin.
albert fall @ 64
They were bankrolled by none other than George Soros…
-GSD
Ahnald will win.
God, Chris Matthews is a complete tool. He is going to crack one day and run at the nearest Republican screaming, “Please be my daddy! Please. Don’t leave me again, daddy! Don’t!”
The dude is in serious need of therapy.
Gee, Nancy looks wonderful!!
(next to Arnold, and in white!)
Wow, what a line-up. Glad I’m not rooting for any of these guys.
Didja notice they aren’t former anything, like John Edwards was former Senator last week?
As a courtesy to Mr. Brownback we have hired an interpretor to speak in tongues for your followers.
-GSD
Wigwam @ 40
Because they never meant to leave?
Bob in HI
Red light – quite familiar to them and appropriate I might add.
So, who are the people in the audience. Also, Tweety just said no cliff notes allowed.
Per Tweety: No cheating!
Rudy up first with a Morning in America question from Tweety.
Ronald Reagan count:
1
2
This is not a debate. It’s an audition for the lead in a snuff movie. Rheumy-eyed Ghouliani is a natural, but any of these sick fucks would be glad to do the job, glad to finish the job their friends Dick and George started, to put their hands around America’s neck, and squeeze.
Does Rudy have a lateral-ess?
Nurfball city.
McCain looks angry
McCain=Insane
McCain loves blood.
McCain on Majority Leader saying the war is lost.
Note Tweety’s question about being “commander in chief” not President.
Oh, f**k you, mccain
McCain: Congress wants to surrender in Iraq. We’re on the right track. We have new blah, blah, blah.
Poor McCain. He still thinks we can succeed. It just can’t wrap his hair, I mean his mind around the idea that we weren’t at war, we were bringing democracy.
AIDS-enabler Thompson enumerating Iraq success metrics.
Later in the evening- each candidate will wrestle a moslem and attempt to pull his head off. Winner will be the front runner in the campaign–losers will be buried- but not near Ronnie..
Anyone see the size of the “base” in Iraq?
Thompson looks like that creature who ran the bar in StarTrekDSN.
Positive framing – soft balls.
Allowing them to respond like tuff guys.
TeddySanFran @ 93
That makes about as much sense as the NRA talking about global climate instability.
Bright, shiny, clean city on a hill #1
Make them go shopping!
wow! so far a bunch of extremely angry old men!
God, Tweety is going to be even worse than I thought. It is clear he is hoping for an attaboy from Rush tomorrow.
Media whore extrordinare. That’s our Tweety.
Jane’s friend WATB Harris striding across the stage manfully.
Ronnie ended his days much like Junior is.
Romney thinks you can get polls by talking to teevee watchers.
oooh, Romney said a big word “precipitously”
You can watch/listen to the debate online:
http://www.politico.com/#
They are all tied to Bush’s horrible failure of a war on Iraq like an anchor
Brownback sez we can win the war by standing up for our values.
McCain
“I’ve been in combat- ah could kill two er three moslems before dinner with mah bare hands!!
Curious in Central Texas @ 107
No thanks. I just ate :>)
TeddySanFran @ 109
Guess that means we’re all helping.
I yearn for those days when Ronnie reached out to youth.
;>)
Sad part is Tweety is still better than Brian Williams.
Brownback wants to engage and confront!
rwcole @ 110
Pilots push fucking buttons, they don’t put their hands on anything but a joystick.
I wish I would have bought a mitt to catch one of these softballs. Oh, wait, isn’t Mitt here?
Bob Schacht @ 76
Ding!
two beers @ 82
Improved.
ooh, Huckabee said he woudn’t have stood by Rummy and then fired him the day after the election!
Huckabee: I would have followed Shinseki’s advice.
Ronald Reagan
X X X
Thompson – let the Iraqi’s vote to tell us whether to stay or go. I guess our vote doesn’t count.
Hunter – Key to winning, stand up Iraqi military. US. “heavy” combat units can leave.
Romney – Reagan…military, economy, family…Iraq, don’t bring out too fast, or Iranians will get Iraq or other regional conflict. We would have to come back. Support Maliki.
Brownback – Win war by standing up for values. War on Terrorism we have partners, moderate muslim regimes. Islamabamo facsists. Confront and engage moderates – contain and confront Iran. Confront, confront, confront, no weakness.
Huckabee – Rumsfeld, shouldn’t have listened to civilians – mistake. Can’t walk away, now, will spread to the whole world. Don’t want to have to go back and do over.
uh oh Huckabee straying off the reservation a little
Rudee says:
“When ah go ta war- it takes months afterwards to remove all the veins from mah teeth”!
And the crowd ROARED
RonD @ 121
Corrected for accuracy.
Gilmore admits not paying attention to the middle east.
GIlmore — blah blah blah decades Soviet Union Berlin Wall Ronnie.
In response to Tweety’s question about whether BushCo cabinet needs a shakeup.
Gilmore: Reagan won the Cold War. I wonder if he can spell “Gorbachev”.
msnbc online breaking news is that Romney said Reagans philosophy was of strength. Am I missing something? Breaking news, Reagan, philosophy?
TeddySanFran @ 127
I’m sorry. Your answer must be in the form of a question, Mr. Gilmore.
Texas man voted against the war. Says the war is unamerican. Ruh Roh….
Ron Paul — non-interventionist foreign policy.
Eisenhower, Nixon, 2000’s “humble foreign policy”
Paul will make the neocons’ heads explode.
Ron Paul:War policy is not conservative.
UhOh Tweety mentioned Fred Thompson.
God damn right, declare war draft every swingin dick and get it over with.
Ron Paul from left field.
If I was interviewing these men for a job, I would have to ask for the next ten. Honestly. And why in the hell isn’t Buchanon here? Oh, that’s right….he couldn’t get the night off from campaigning.
McCain is Squinty McSquintersons tonite.
McCain loves war and blood. Que macho.
McCain: we have cause for war with Iran right now.
McCain said Iraq, meant Iran, heh heh.
McCain going after Iran. He’s beginning to sound like Cheney lite.
Yikes, any dem over these f**kers.
Gilmore – it’s their fault.
Paul – Why are 70% want us out? I suggest non-intervention policy, Republican party policy, Eisenhower, Nixon, conservative follows const., declare if you want to go to war, don’t get in for political reasons or pretend Iraqi war.
McCain – Iran bad, bad, bad, killers, Hezbollah, Israel, greatest threats. Iranians more pressure oil cut off. End of the day, we can not allow Iran to have nuclear weapons. Iranians threat of giving nukes to terrorists…greatest fear…other efforts should be made before considering military option – not now.
dakine01@21
Yeah but Ron Paul is a “classic” liberal, as in “founding fathers”, now refered to as a “libertarian”. The difference between him and all the others comes down to consistancy of morality, either it is or it isn’t. If it’s immoral for me to do it, it is immoral for the state to do it. Other’s defer the power of immorality to the state. The objective of statist’s is to control the coercive power of the state to promote their personal agenda, hence the power struggle between Dems and Repubs
Well Tancredo proved he’s an idiot.
Tancredo waffling on supporting an Israeli war with Iran.
McCain *blink* *blink* invisible eyes
I’m nervious
Imam with a bomb – defend ourselves and Israels.
These guys should just be put in a pit to get their sexual aggression under control. War is sublimation to them.
Rudee says Iran president is irrational. Well if that isn’t the pot calling the kettle black.
Giuliani – Iran hostages released because they looked in Ronald Reagans eyes!!!
Gilmore sez Osama is a symbol so let’s get him.
Gilmore speaking coherently !?!
LS @ 152
After two minutes of him being President!!
Is this the new Reagan mythology??????
No more October Surprise negotiations by Bush/Baker to keep the hostages imprisoned until Inauguration Day?
Romney doesn’t want to buy into the DEMOCRATIC pitch that it’s all about one guy — Osama?? WTF?
Sea of Hostility….Gilmore
Moral high ground – like during cold war.
Deny “those kinds of people”…
Romney: Get Bin-Laden, Dem pitch, this is about jihadist effort worldwide, not just one man. He’s gonna pay, and he will die.
Romney: Dems are stupid!!
Romney: dismisses getting OBL as the democrats plan.
Romney pretty boy. Not so smart.
Pool Boy!!!!
Arriving just in time for tonight’s Republican presidential debate at the Reagan Library are the first sneak peaks of the Gipper’s soon to be released diary. While Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, Mitt Romney and the rest vie to claim the mantle of “Reagan Conservative,” you can contemplate Ronnie’s insightful private admissions such as “getting shot hurts” and “I agreed to sell TOWs to Iran.”
But you don’t have to wait for “The Reagan Diaries” to size up the man. For some reflections on Reagan from the man himself and the friends who knew him best, see:
“GOP Debate Reflections on Reagan.”
TeddySanFran @ 161
LOL definitely conceited.
McCain goes off on OBL without being asked…
OMG! All I am hearing is:
fear, Fear FEAR!!!! They’re coming to get us!!
McCain cowboy talk. Walk bin Laden to the gates of hell.
Tweeety: change our constitution to allow Martinez and Arnold to be Prez?
McCain seizes the testosterone vote-”will follow OBL to gates of hell.” Wow.
It cracks me up when they talk about Ossama bin missing killing thousands. What about the hundreds of thousand bush is responsible for killing.
Has anyone asked McCain if he would go rug shopping in Baghdad without attack helicopters and 100 bodyguards?
So, Tweety wants to change the constitution so that the biggest muscle man of them all can run. Look at those pecks!
Should we change constitution to allow ferriners to become president.
Romney – no
Brownback – no
Gilmore – no
Huckabee – after my 8 years, ok.
no
McCain – maybe, would consider it.
Paul – NO
Giuliani – too afraid to say no
Dudes – you have had 5 years to get Osama. You failed.
God.
tbsa @ 168
So true…
ccmask @ 171
Ewwww, the governator’s pecs aren’t looking to great these days.
Hey Rudy. How come New Yorkers hate you?
Giuliani – crime, in NY, we moved 600,000 people off welfare (he’s not mentioning, out of NY!!)
Rudy: African-American = welfare recipient
Hands down, Jane, effing funny
Ghouliani: We kicked 660k people off welfare! Yay!
tbsa @ 168
Hear, hear.
Romney, Ronald Reagan kiss butt to Mrs. Reagan, ….blah, blah, blah,
Dover Bitch @ 178
Yep.
Huckabee: conservation is Godly.
Global warming:
Huckabee – boyscouts good stewards of earth.
Tancredo opposed to cloning people.
How many Republicans does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Duncan Hunter has crossed the line.
Hunter hates Eye-ran and wants to go to war kinda now.
Hunter: Yes, I’m a compassionate conservative, but I want to talk about Iran, so I want to kill them, because they are inside Iraq. Kill them now, don’t wait.
Hunter-Nuke Iran!
None of these people wanting to bomb Iran have produced a shred of evidence.
So far I would award Ray-Gun’s mantle to: Gasp, a Mormon!!! Mitt’s the one! McCain is bombing!!!! Hanoi!!!!
We’re in Dr Strangelove territory now
Jim VanD selection of silly questions is confirming Greenwald’s criticism of Politico.
Loo Hoo @ 188
He’s quite frightening. These people scare me more than the terrorists.
What a circus.
GOD-GOD-GOD-GOD
Count ‘em.
I got GOD over 9/11 2-1.
TeddySanFran @ 186
I agree; no more Tancredos
Ron Paul wants to get rid of the IRS and stop printing money.
Reagan, blah, blah, tax cuts, blah, blah, 9/11, blah blah, bible, blah,
Paul. Sounds like he might want to get rid of Fed Reserve (printing $ – creating inflation)
Rudy waffling on RoeWade
This is the bad idea debate.
fetus, yes — life of the woman, no
CTuttle @ 193
Errr, I meant Iran, wait Tora Bora!!!!
TeddySanFran @ 198
Screwball.
OK, I am throwing up now at the glorious day of Roe Wade no more
Tancredo – overturn Roe – millions DEAD
These guys are all about DEATH, KILLING, FIGHTING, TERROR, etc.
BUT WAIT, they are all PRO-life.
Romney opposed to cloning.
Abortion is THE hot ticket to the Christian right vote
Old White Men: the uterus must not be allowed to get nuclear weapons.
It’s all control, alla time, for these scared little kids…
Romney, personally pro-life. Changed his mind having something to do with cloning. He’s damn proud he changed his mind!
Romney is winning the mention Reagan race.
RonD @ 211
gay Mexican fetii
Romney – personally pro-life, protect pro-choice position, but when cloning started, I changed my mind, I’m now pro-death, I mean pro-life. What did he say…choice until 2 years ago, therefore, no choice, so that’s pro-life…
I like our Speaker. And I like this too:
AP – House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is considering a proposal that would pay for the Iraq war through at least July but cut off funding after that if the Iraqi government does not meet certain political and security goals, Democratic officials said Thursday.
Think of all the crap Bush did on the back of those abortion hating Christian votes.
I wish they would ask when they are going to give birth and why the fuck they think they should have their hands on a womans body and right to choose?
Republic Family Values: “life begins at inception, and ends at birth.”
Whatta bunch of crotch sniffers
So much hate and so little time.
Georgesimian @ 187
Seven.
One to leak that the lightbulb is a terrorist.
One to attack the media for being too liberal about the leaked story about the lightbulb.
Two to debate on FOX about how the Democrats are too weak to be trusted to screw the lightbulb
One to demand the Democratic plan for screwing lightbulbs.
One to slip in the bill for screwing the lightbulb during a secret night session.
One to declare that the mission to screw the lightbulb has been accomplished.
And one more to outsource the contract to screw the lightbulb in because the original seven are too incompetent to do the job in the first place.
Rudy doesn’t think people should have abortions. He HATES abortion.
Guilliani, States decide on abortion.
Clearly, Chris Matthews loves and engages Giuliani.
Jane was right a few weeks ago. They’ll support Ghouliani because they want to stomp DFH’s into the ground.
McCain sez he’s not the youngest one in the race. duh
two beers @ 220
Corrected for accuracy.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 217
Love it. Love her. So no-nonsense.
these guys are really sad
McCain is the best prepared because he’s pissed off and can talk about things that are scary.
My fellow Scardy Cats…
Brownback – Life is central issue of our day (okay…cause if you’re dead, you wouldn’t have another opinion now would you) and everyone is a child of a loving god. Well, I’m glad you have decided that..
McCain: Radical Islameadamo extreme killers, challenges, deficit, energy independents, but we need to restore faith in leadership. Basically, we’re all going to DIE unless McCain is President.
Hunter is macho too!!!
This is silly. It’s not as if we have a choice.
Bright shiny clean city #2
Morning in Merika #1?
Boston1775 @ 226
I think he hurt rudy with that. At least w/ the anti-choice gang
Loo Hoo @ 234
Fixed.
Ron Paul actually makes some sense.
More islamofacist extreme they’re gonna kill US ALL….
Basically, they all (except for R. Paul) are saying nothing. No solutions. Just ramped up alarmist Bugga, bugga. Be afraid, etc…
I wouldn’t trust any of these guys with the button on “Family Feud”, much less the button for the nukes.
I’m following the live blog, but not watching…can somebody tell me if Bush’s name has been mentioned yet? I’m guessing it’ll be used very sparingly, compared to RR…
underdog hooked off by matthews
Pamela Martin phones in a question:
“Is that a Ray-gun in your pocket, or are you happy to see me?”
The role of Sen Gravel will be played by Ron Paul…
Nancy needs to shut this thing down. She should then have Arnie deliver a spanking followed by waqshing all their mouths out with soap.
No more GI Joe for a month.
Romney, “We don’t choose our president based on their religion.”
Thompson: Employers can fire gays for being gay!?!?
Romney is the nicest on teevee and has the most pleasant voice; also not scary.
TeddySanFran @ 231
Sadly, So!!! (Snark!)!!!
Bush is the invisible man. It is really amazing….
No one talks about him, refers to him, honors him, quotes him.
The incredible shrinking chimp.
-GSD
VictorLaszlo @ 248
Yeah, I heard that too….. omg.
Huckabee tells us that his faith guides him, and that it would as president.
“do unto others as they do unto you”?????
Did I hear that right?
CD @ 242
Not mentioned once, so far.
Romney: the world loves us for our faith. He’s delusional.
Brownback hearts Liebermann.
Isn’t Larry Silverstein one of Hillary’s biggest contributers?
Dunkin Hunter has a posse!
McCain hears voices in his head.
Romney looks ready to co-host The View.
-GSD
RonD @ 168
Why doesn’t get there ahead of him so he can ambush him?
Brownback called RGJoe a Jew! oh wait….
CD @ 242
good question. I don’t think so. And no ‘unitary pres’ questions….at least not yet
Hunter: Build the fence!
I watched the debate and I can’t do it anymore. The candidates are frightening. Dreadful scary. Warmongers Some are trying to channel Reagan unsuccessfully. It’s truly frightening how proud they are of all their pro-life measures.
On the other hand it’s funny to see Giuliani and Romney try to wiggle around the abortion questions, without showing themselves up for the opportunists they are.
Duncan on the FENCE. He (personally) built that fence. Knock on the front door if you want into the USA.
Did Brownback say Joe was a “heckuva Jew”?
-GSD
Scarecrow @ 255
Not allowed. The talking point is that, because of Reagan’s heroic leadership, there hasn’t been an attack on US soil since 9/11.
Teddy, be afraid of Romney, be very afraid
To Gilmore: Is Karl Rove yer friend?
They sure are gay for Reagan.
Romney, we have separation of church and faith (CYA).
Faith, my faith, our faith, my faith…blah, blah, blah. Tweety hallenging Huckabee…for criticizing Romney re: faith….backstroke.
Faith, value, community, envy of world, because of our hearts, our faith, and American values.
Brownback, My friend Senator Lieberman A JEW…he just said that, unbelievable.
Gilmore dodges the Rove question.
KARL ROVE
Thompson has the weirdest head.
Boston1775 @ 268
I am most afraid of him, altho I think he might lead to a third-party theocrat ticket.
Phule @ 229
instant citizenship to those who vote Republican… Hi Arnold, Hi Elian!
Tancredo, differences with Rove. He would not be in his administration. HAHAHA!
LooHoo 206
Obviously you know nothing about real economics. Since the un-Constitutional FED was created when the Congress and Wilson sold us out to JP Morgan before an empty Senate floor on Christmas Eve 1913 the dollar has been debased by 97% by those who can create “money” (Federal Reserve Notes) out of thin air. Under the serial bubble blower Greenspan they have created the biggest debt bubble in the history of the planet which has no alternative but to end BADLY. Ron Paul is the only one who has it right because he is a student of Austrian economics not the bullshit Keynesian blather they teach in American schools since Socialism took over in the 30’s.
ah ha, its the bash bush via his evil minion karl strategy. niiice.
Rudy won’t stop on time.
Remember when Ronald Reagan killed Gorbachev?
He was sooooooooooo dreamy.
-GSD
GSD,
I think he just took a stab at it and announced that he was a Jew, um, ah…..
GSD @ 251
I know! They’re all rewinding to the fabulous 80’s
Republicans are stepping away from the flaming turd.
-GSD
TANCREDO – ROVE WOULDN’T BE IN MY WH
Giuliani: Neither party has a monopoly of virtue or vice.
Thompson: I’m the reliable conservative, blue state, high popularity appeal – I’m a perfect person for Dems, Independents. Repubs lost their way. We forgot to come up with Ronald Reagan ideas….
TThompson: Republican party lost its way (back to StRon)
Ronald Reagon is a saint! governor.
Everythingseemssoneat @ 273
He is a Vulcan.
LS @ 271
I wonder if he has any black friends.
Thompson’s face created by clay-mation?
TeddySanFran @ 224
Giuliani hates modern art too. He’ll put Lynn cheney back in charge of what’s it called. Just thinking about it, is like envisioning a Brave New Scary World.
corruption. what’s up with that?
Brownback says democrat instead of democratic.
Ron Paul it the only one who isn’t demonic.
uhoh Brownback wants to back up as a society.
Brownback..we need laws against corruption.
anybody got the Reagan-mention count?
TeddySanFran @ 294
Back to the future with Sammy and the Throwbacks.
-GSD
Tancredo sez corruption not unique to the GOP — failures of individuals
Tancredo: corrupt individuals, not a corrupt party.
jayt @ 296
outta fingers and toes
Shorter.. Reagan probably had sundowners. Wasn’t that great? We can do that!
Tancredo, these scandals are not unique to our party.
We need a centrist! I am a centrist. He believes in his heart in the things that he says. Gawd.
Brownback: Re: Abramoff, Cunningham corruption scandals…
Corruption also Dems, cash in freezers, should all go to jail. Don Imus…records for teenagers…renew culture.
Tancredo: Not unique to Repubs. Individual problems. Invokes Reagan (Dems and Repubs and Ind) Have to believe what you say.
jayt @ 296
Pretty low, Romney winning.
Remember when St. Ronald shat jellybeans and his vapors smelled like a chocolate factory?
-GSD
Doesn’t McCain know they ARE the party of special interests?
TeddySanFran @ 275
That would be excellant. Split the “conservative” vote. We should encourage. He can play Schlessinger to Liebermans’ McCain.
All these guys are promising a Stepford Wife future crossed with the Day After and maybe Night of the Living Dead.
Loo Hoo @ 293
Well, can’t we defeat both? /s
Boston1775 @ 268
Ooh, so true!!!
As I am not watching the “debate”, has anyone of The Ten said anything that might present a problem for Edwards to handle?
McCain confused by the lights and keeps talking.
McCain pulls a Drunken Sailor joke. What a comic!
McCain on GOP losses in ‘06: “We did lose our way – we began to value principle over power…”
Folks, Mitt Romney is a lightweight and will wilt when he has to speak extemporaneously…trust me on this, the man is almost as scripted as the Shrub and he thinks his wealth and good looks entitle him to be President. No chance!
Sen. McCain we did lose our way – it was the spending
RonD @ 300
Tell it to the Islamic people you want to keep bombing.
Shorter GOP debate wrap-up! 707
McCain wants the line-item veto???
McCain – we need line item veto. Cost overruns out of control. Stop spending. Each program must justify existence every year (won’t matter if we’re all dead though, someone ought to point that out to him).
Give letter grades to BushCo war performance!
Huckabee — exam not over
Oklahoma kiddo @ 311
Not A One, Kiddo, Not A One!!!
Even the Reagan worship scares me. I can’t deal. Signing off to read a very escapist novel or something.
Huckabee blatantly ducks a question on the war
do-si-do @ 317
oops i meant Tancredo, not you ronD, sorry!
I’m mostly afraid of Rudy.
Romney fighting so hard against abortion!
Loo Hoo @ 225
Should the president decide when someone should have a tooth pulled?
Romney is killing the field – amazing performance (or maybe the others are just really weak tonight). I’m surprised.
McCain reminds me of Popeye!
Romney: We will fight abortion in the hills, in the streets, we will never surrender…
The dazzling MA Romney: You can attack abortion in the most wonderful way
Rudy seems confused on his position on abortion
Tweety to Rudy — “we’ll have to kill you now” meaning cut your time. LOL!!
solai- But he’s strong on Osama.
“You don’t give a grade half way thru…” ??? Five more years of war in Iraq???
Reagan was great, the fine gov. of Wisconsin.
I understoood Do-si-do…LOL
The American Idol crowd will go for the best looking MAN with the best HAIR.
Can they just nominate St. Ronnie’s corpse and be done with it?
tbsa @ 196
These people are the terrorists. God help us.
Squinty McCain sez they are WORKING HARD on immigration.
Status quo not acceptable.
Tancredo, he loves his competitors. Now he gets into just how racist he is. It’s all about illegal immigration.
McCain dsagrees-the only one so far-and wants to address immigration comprehensively.
Hunter,
A great opportunity to address energy independence and make $.
OMG-a reasonable answer on alternative energy.
I think Hunter and Romney have done the best. Hunter is much more ready for primetime than I expected. He’s got a strong-Daddy-ness.
TeddySanFran @ 342
I’m not sure if McCain really knows where he is!
Paul voted not to go to war in Iraq?
Loo Hoo @ 348
And is a doctor, apparently.
Can we just put Ronnie Reagan back in office? Might reduce the noise from the White House. I’m sure he’d be very quiet, non-controversial, and wouldn’t veto stem-cell and out-of-Iraq legislation.
edit: err, nominate for the presidency only.
ABH
Immigration.
McCain – comprehensive program
Hunter – I did not watch Gore’s movie. Give all the money to the private sector to save the world.
Paul: Critical decisions made as a physician made all the time. Voted no to go to war in Iraq.
Gilmore: Women and children go to jail if they don’t follow the law….segue to terrorism…
Thread’s getting kinda long, new one upstairs.
Massachusetts made a malodorous mistake: Romney, who oversaw the Big Dig, in which a woman died. He had an upperclass hissy fit and passed the buck.
Who is that desribed the Republicans as roaring drunk wife beaters and the Democrats as abuse victims that don’t tell anyone they’re being abused?
McCain is twitchy tonight.
I think Romney comes across as suit full of helium.
McCain and Hunter wants them some Iranian blood flowing in the streets.
-GSD
Is Romney embalmed? I think he had a better mortician than Ghouliani…
Stemcell research, Nancy’s pet project, yes or no?
Romney sorta (NO CLONING OR EMBRYO FARMING)
Romney will not go for stem cell research even though his wife has a disease.
Nixon, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Kent State and Watergate. Reagan, Oliver North, Adm. Poindexter, William French Smith, among others, and Iran-Contra. That about says it for me. Reagan, some role model, GOP.
RagingGurrl @ 355
That’s his soul gasping for air.
-GSD
Ron Paul has been calling for Bush to be impeached.
TeddySanFran @ 346
Agreed – they’re both loons on policy of course, but just judging performance, I think you’re right.
Loo Hoo @ 347
Yes, the only R, IIRC.
gsd at 75
-GSD
funniest thing i’ve heard in ages…..rofl…….
Debate THREAD TWO
Stem cell research-federaly funded
no
no
no
mccain yes
rudy sorta
no
VictorLaszlo @ 314
OMG, that’s hilarious LMDFAO (Laughing My Damn Fool Ass Off).
Republicans and Democrats: Different rhetoric same agenda.
What a scary line-up! Listening to these guys is an act of masochism.
I am willing to endure this experience ONCE.
Romney insults Kennedy’s work for healthcare reform. You can’t believe how low that man just went.
What about E. Howard Hunt?
These guys are running for President in 1988. What happened to the last 18 years??????
If any of these guys win, I will be moving from the US. I’d like to live in the 21st century.
Take it away Jane
McCain would appoint Lieberman,Lieberman, Lierberman. Oh Goody.
GOP: Pardon Scooter Libby, but throw mothers in jail.
ccmask @ 56
OMG!!! I’m laughing so hard I almost wet myself!
Thanks for that entry!
GSD @ 356
Romney better hope HBO cancels Big Love.
And wasn’t Hunter on Lam’s short list to be indicted before the Rovian DoJ did her in?
Although I think in the current GOP being indicted gives you a certain gravitas.
Ed @ 278
And the final thread was loosed in the 70’s to go off of money (gold standard?) and become a currency. And like a smoker with emphasema sucking through a trache neck hole the now do not publish the ammount of paper “money” they print (M2 index?)… thus inflation the hidden tax.
We can only pray (since aint nobody that could be elected gonna stop it) that it lower the amount we need to pay for our f’in houses and eventually we get paid more. In realilty it will just mean that it will be easy for people to think they are getting a raise when they are getting a paycut. ETc. ETc.