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		<title>By: Matchoo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/03/spontaneous-termination/#comment-668685</link>
		<dc:creator>Matchoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 00:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This clip shows Cannon (R-Utah) babbling on about nothing, in an obvious attempt to waste time during the Comey hearing.  I know this is a very common thing during these hearings, but this instance is just so awkward and awful… you have to see it to believe it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are other videos at the bottom - but they are outdated at this point.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://snuffmonkey.com/gonzales/&quot;&gt;http://snuffmonkey.com/gonzales/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-Matchoo&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This clip shows Cannon (R-Utah) babbling on about nothing, in an obvious attempt to waste time during the Comey hearing.  I know this is a very common thing during these hearings, but this instance is just so awkward and awful… you have to see it to believe it.</p>
<p>There are other videos at the bottom &#8211; but they are outdated at this point.<br />
<a href="http://snuffmonkey.com/gonzales/">http://snuffmonkey.com/gonzales/</a></p>
<p>-Matchoo</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/03/spontaneous-termination/#comment-667709</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 15:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-667259&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;looseheadprop @&lt;br /&gt;
                88              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-667234&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;GeorgeSimian @ 64 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Anyone want to start listing the impeachable offenses of Gonzo, in regards to the NYT editorial?  It seems to me, he missed a few.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lying to Congress&lt;br /&gt;
Witholding evidence&lt;br /&gt;
Destroying documents&lt;br /&gt;
Influencing politcial prosecutions&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Was it Ashcroft who went around FISA? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Feel free to chime in here.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I didn’t like that editorial at all. It had unsourced quotes. Stated as fact a lot of silly interpreations that have become twisted from their original meaning. For example:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“I serve at the plesure of the president” was a line from a resignation latter (I can’t remember who’s right now–Was it Cyrus Vance?  Arrrgh- I have a brain like a sieve!)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It orginally was a courtly remark made by a person who felt that if he could not in good conscience carry out a presidential policy, then he had no choice but to resign, publicly and overtly breaking with that president and that policy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not unlike the “noisy withdrawal” provisons in Sarbanes-Oxley—BTW any DOJ types out their who want to do a post departure noisy withdrawl, now might be a good time–&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyway, back to my point. Somehow I serve at the pleasure” has gotten twisted to mean that the Presiedet can fire for ANY reason or no reason.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m sorry, but you find me a stute or case where the President is allowed to fire in bad faith. I don’t know of one, and if it existed, you’d think ambitous law school [professors who want to get onto the hNYTimes Op Ed pages would &lt;b&gt;cite to that cse in their article&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hate that article. It is calcifying a myth.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Excellent discussions wrt removal powers of president are found in Louis Fisher’s book “Constitutional Conflicts between Congress and the President.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-667259"><em>looseheadprop @<br />
                88              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-667234"><em>GeorgeSimian @ 64 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Anyone want to start listing the impeachable offenses of Gonzo, in regards to the NYT editorial?  It seems to me, he missed a few.</p>
<p>Lying to Congress<br />
Witholding evidence<br />
Destroying documents<br />
Influencing politcial prosecutions</p>
<p>Was it Ashcroft who went around FISA? </p>
<p>Feel free to chime in here.</p>
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<p>I didn’t like that editorial at all. It had unsourced quotes. Stated as fact a lot of silly interpreations that have become twisted from their original meaning. For example:</p>
<p>“I serve at the plesure of the president” was a line from a resignation latter (I can’t remember who’s right now–Was it Cyrus Vance?  Arrrgh- I have a brain like a sieve!)</p>
<p>It orginally was a courtly remark made by a person who felt that if he could not in good conscience carry out a presidential policy, then he had no choice but to resign, publicly and overtly breaking with that president and that policy.</p>
<p>Not unlike the “noisy withdrawal” provisons in Sarbanes-Oxley—BTW any DOJ types out their who want to do a post departure noisy withdrawl, now might be a good time–</p>
<p>Anyway, back to my point. Somehow I serve at the pleasure” has gotten twisted to mean that the Presiedet can fire for ANY reason or no reason.</p>
<p>I’m sorry, but you find me a stute or case where the President is allowed to fire in bad faith. I don’t know of one, and if it existed, you’d think ambitous law school [professors who want to get onto the hNYTimes Op Ed pages would <b>cite to that cse in their article</b></p>
<p>I hate that article. It is calcifying a myth.</p>
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<p>Excellent discussions wrt removal powers of president are found in Louis Fisher’s book “Constitutional Conflicts between Congress and the President.”</p>
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		<title>By: kathleen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/03/spontaneous-termination/#comment-667319</link>
		<dc:creator>kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 13:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-667273&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;looseheadprop @ 100 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You know, we here at the lake have our own national holidays” Fitzmas, Comey Day. Soon we will have to publish our own calendar!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Great idea&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-667273"><em>looseheadprop @ 100 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>You know, we here at the lake have our own national holidays” Fitzmas, Comey Day. Soon we will have to publish our own calendar!</p>
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<p>Great idea</p>
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		<title>By: Peterr</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/03/spontaneous-termination/#comment-667307</link>
		<dc:creator>Peterr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 13:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;LHP @ 88&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I went looking for “pleasure of the president,” but it didn’t come from Cyrus Vance’s resignation letter. After reading your comment, my memory started twitching, too, but it’s not from him.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Calcifying a myth” — at the NY Times? I’m shocked, shocked I tell you . . .&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LHP @ 88</p>
<p>I went looking for “pleasure of the president,” but it didn’t come from Cyrus Vance’s resignation letter. After reading your comment, my memory started twitching, too, but it’s not from him.</p>
<p>“Calcifying a myth” — at the NY Times? I’m shocked, shocked I tell you . . .</p>
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		<title>By: kathleen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/03/spontaneous-termination/#comment-667303</link>
		<dc:creator>kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 13:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-667243&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;cbl @ 72&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Kathleen -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;thanks for those links - I may not have time to get to them before tonight&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;whatever happened to the subpoena for Condi ???&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not sure what happenned checked all of the links before I sent that ‘is this a way to take McNulty out”.  Once it was sent the links were not working.  Have never had that happen before.  I posted those links again down the line.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-667243"><em>cbl @ 72</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Kathleen -</p>
<p>thanks for those links &#8211; I may not have time to get to them before tonight</p>
<p>whatever happened to the subpoena for Condi ???</p>
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<p>Not sure what happenned checked all of the links before I sent that ‘is this a way to take McNulty out”.  Once it was sent the links were not working.  Have never had that happen before.  I posted those links again down the line.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunga Djinn</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/03/spontaneous-termination/#comment-667302</link>
		<dc:creator>Gunga Djinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 13:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;CHS @ 0&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Paul K. Charlton of Phoenix and John McKay of Seattle said that Michael J. Elston called them on Jan. 17 and offered an implicit agreement of Gonzales’s silence in exchange for their continuing not to publicly discuss their removals.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I must be missing something here. Gonzales offers his silence if Charlton &amp; McKay agree to not go public? That’s about as intimidating as a threat to be flogged with a wet noodle. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where’s the leverage here? Was Gonzales et al that bankrupt from a negotiating standpoint, or just that inept?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CHS @ 0</p>
<blockquote><p>Paul K. Charlton of Phoenix and John McKay of Seattle said that Michael J. Elston called them on Jan. 17 and offered an implicit agreement of Gonzales’s silence in exchange for their continuing not to publicly discuss their removals.</p>
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<p>I must be missing something here. Gonzales offers his silence if Charlton &amp; McKay agree to not go public? That’s about as intimidating as a threat to be flogged with a wet noodle. </p>
<p>Where’s the leverage here? Was Gonzales et al that bankrupt from a negotiating standpoint, or just that inept?</p>
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		<title>By: TiredFed</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/03/spontaneous-termination/#comment-667299</link>
		<dc:creator>TiredFed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 13:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-667281&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 108&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Christy and TiredFed @ 6:26 -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who was the House Majority Leader at the time this plan was originally concocted? What, if at all, was his involvement in devising or implementing the plan described in your 6:26 comment?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;will look into later. TF&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-667281"><em>Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 108</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Christy and TiredFed @ 6:26 -</p>
<p>Who was the House Majority Leader at the time this plan was originally concocted? What, if at all, was his involvement in devising or implementing the plan described in your 6:26 comment?</p>
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<p>will look into later. TF</p>
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		<title>By: kathleen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/03/spontaneous-termination/#comment-667295</link>
		<dc:creator>kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 13:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Odd all of the links that I set up and checked before I submitted the “is this a way to take out McNulty” did not link after I submitted them. Odd.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here are the links&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A*P*C on trial&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.counterpunch.org/petras01072006.html&quot;&gt;http://www.counterpunch.org/petras01072006.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is the Media satotaging the A*P*C trial?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.antiwar.com/orig/gsmith.php?articleid=10853&quot;&gt;http://www.antiwar.com/orig/gs.....leid=10853&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Abe Foxman and the trial&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2007/04/19/mirror-image-spying-charges-against-aipac-and-azmi-bishara/&quot;&gt;http://www.richardsilverstein......i-bishara/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Checked them again&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odd all of the links that I set up and checked before I submitted the “is this a way to take out McNulty” did not link after I submitted them. Odd.  </p>
<p>Here are the links</p>
<p>A*P*C on trial<br />
<a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/petras01072006.html">http://www.counterpunch.org/petras01072006.html</a></p>
<p>Is the Media satotaging the A*P*C trial?<br />
<a href="http://www.antiwar.com/orig/gsmith.php?articleid=10853">http://www.antiwar.com/orig/gs&#8230;..leid=10853</a></p>
<p>Abe Foxman and the trial<br />
<a href="http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2007/04/19/mirror-image-spying-charges-against-aipac-and-azmi-bishara/">http://www.richardsilverstein&#8230;&#8230;i-bishara/</a></p>
<p>Checked them again</p>
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		<title>By: ccmask</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/03/spontaneous-termination/#comment-667293</link>
		<dc:creator>ccmask</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 13:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The big news this morning really shouldn’t come as any “news” at all. What it should do is finally push Congress over the edge of inaction so that it formally and uniformly demands that President George W. Bush put an end to the charade of propriety and good governance that is otherwise known as the Alberto R. Gonzales Era at the Justice Department.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.washingtonpost.com/benchconference/2007/05/specter_pardon_me_if_i_raise_m.html?hpid=topnews&quot;&gt;Bench Conference-WAPO&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big news this morning really shouldn’t come as any “news” at all. What it should do is finally push Congress over the edge of inaction so that it formally and uniformly demands that President George W. Bush put an end to the charade of propriety and good governance that is otherwise known as the Alberto R. Gonzales Era at the Justice Department.</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/benchconference/2007/05/specter_pardon_me_if_i_raise_m.html?hpid=topnews">Bench Conference-WAPO</a></p>
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		<title>By: twolf1</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/03/spontaneous-termination/#comment-667287</link>
		<dc:creator>twolf1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 13:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/05/03/james-comey-hjc-testimony-liveblog/&quot;&gt;Comey Liveblog thread up…&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/05/03/james-comey-hjc-testimony-liveblog/">Comey Liveblog thread up…</a></p>
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