One of the more interesting statistics in the 2008 presidential campaign comes from the marital statuses of the candidates.
On the Democratic side, front-runners Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards, and Bill Richardson are all still on their first marriages, rocky though at least one of them has been. Chris Dodd is on his second, having been divorced from his first wife. Joseph Biden lost his first wife and their infant daughter to a car accident in 1966 that also seriously injured their two sons, but married again eleven years later and is still married to his second wife after thirty years. Only one marriage is mentioned for Mike Gravel, though I think he may have been married before (if anyone knows for sure, let me know; it's been surprisingly difficult to find out much about his personal life online); he was alleged to have been involved in the Elizabeth Ray scandal, but has denied it. Dennis Kucinich is on his third marriage, having been divorced twice; he is now married to a woman three decades his junior.
On the Republican side, only Mike Huckabee, Sam Brownback and Mitt Romney are still on their first wives, and none of these gentlemen are among the front-runners. (Romney's the Steve Forbes of 2008. Lots of money, no chance.) Former front-runner John McCain married his second wife (18 years his junior) almost immediately after divorcing his first one in 1980. Current front-runner Rudy Giuliani had his first marriage to Regina Peruggi annulled so he could wed local New York TV personality Donna Hanover, who assisted his rise to power; that marriage did not last, and he is now on his third marriage, this time with Judith Nathan; the wives keep getting younger in five-year increments. Up-and-comer Fred Thompson divorced his first wife and has two small children by his second wife, who is a quarter-century his junior. As for Newt Gingrich, he's on his third wife, with whom he cheated on his second (with whom he cheated on his first, Jackie — who he divorced when she was still groggy from major cancer surgery). Side note about Newt: His third wife (Callista Bisek) is Catholic, and to please her he tried to get his second marriage officially annuled in the Catholic church — even though neither he nor his second wife were or are Catholic. (Newt's wives, like Rudy's, keep getting younger in finest trophy-spouse fashion: he's a good 23 years older than his current wife.)
Why am I telling you all this? To help explain why I seriously doubt, despite the expressed fears of some folks, that the Palfrey scandal will hit Democrats as hard as Republicans. As near as I can suss, the nature of this twisted beast dictates that this is going to be a GOP thang. Follow me past the jump and hear me out.
RE: possible "Democrat" busts (besides FAUX Dem Toesucker Dick Morris) — I'm not overly worried. Here's why:
1) The Bushies have done far too good a job of removing Democrats (or sane people in general) from top government posts. Any Democratic civil servants on the list will probably be former Clinton folk who have long since left DC: Old news, in other words.
2) The K Street Project did far too good a job of removing Democratic lobbyists from the feeding trough. Any Dem lobbyists will be former ones from the Clinton era who have long since left DC. (See above.)
3) Democrats don't have the sugar daddies that Republicans had and still have to an extent, despite the dismantling of the K Street Project. They can't afford $275/hour (90 minute minimum) sex games, at least not on a regular basis. (Especially when real DC massage therapists only cost around $85 an hour.)
4) Larry Flynt, Hero of the Republic — who presided over the downfalls of Bob Livingston and Bob Barr — himself said that Republicans, particularly the publicly-pious ones, were horny and kinky bastards. As a corollary, any Democrats likely to be caught in this scandal are probably the sort of sanctimonious triangulating DLC/Blue Dog/Corporate-Money-Saturated twits who we are better off without. (Think Gary Condit.) Better that they be taken out now and save us the expense of running primary candidates against them.
5) Palfrey's company specialized in kinky sex games. Democrats tend to prefer straight sex (or rather, safe, sane and consensual sex — thanks, Peterr!) and are more concerned with it being safe sex, as even a guest on Tucker Carlson's MSNBC show stated last year (though she tries to put a negative spin on this caringness).
6) If any prominent Democrats were on the list, we'd have heard about them by now. But the abject horror that's palpable in the GOP/Media High-Broderesque "this is OUR town" crowd — a horror which shows itself in the extreme reluctance of the GOP-worshiping Fred Hiatt's WaPo to touch the story — indicates to me that this is a purely Republican affair (pardon the pun). And so far, the revelations seem to bear me out. Aside from Toesucker Dick (whose final extirpation from the political scene is devoutly desired), it's all been Republicans: Randy Tobias, Harlan Ullman, and now on deck, per ABC's The Blotter, "a Bush administration economist, the head of a conservative think tank, a prominent CEO, several lobbyists and a handful of military officials."
7) ABC's Ross felt the apparent need to appease the screaming righties, so he counterbalanced his and Justin Rood's Palfrey scoop with an utterly bogus www.PulledOutHisAss.com "Democrats are as corrupt as Republicans!" non-story. I don't think he would have done this if the Palfrey story was going to hurt Democrats and Republicans anywhere near equally. (I suspect that ABC did a similar game with "The Path to 9/11" last year: They apparently ran that piece of garbage as pre-emptive "balance" for the Mark Foley story, which was about to explode like a bomb all over the GOP a bare month before the 2006 elections. The righties still raised up a stink.)
The upshot of all this: Relax and enjoy. The next few weeks are going to be a blast.
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PW again!
Republics and divorce, affairs, scandals, etc: IOKIYAR!
teeheehee Hi there PW
Friday night can’t come soon enough. 20/20 will have many interested viewers!
It would be pretty amazing if there was a perfect correlation between sexual tastes and political party membership.
Evening, Phoenix Woman and Friends!
I am loath to interest myself in the tawdry peccadillos of politicians. The exception is when it involves hypocrisy. This I cannot forgive.
Steny Hoyer
please, please, please — if there’s gonna be a Dem, let it be Steny Hoyer.
Margie Schoedinger???
I guess the abstinence only stuff is just as phony and meaningless for repubs in Washington as it is for high school kids.
Since in America, sex is bad but violence is good, this should be a lot of fun. Someone on Time or Newsweek said earlier this week that the blogisphere was salivating over this scandal, but I think it is really the MSM that just loves a good kinky sex scandal.
lolo hot on her characters.
Beer O’clock approaches here on the left coast and boy am I going to happy hour today.
I really don’t care what any of em do with their private parts- that’s why they call em “private”.
A lawyer of a possible John in the DC case has tried to stop the client’s name from being released because of harrassment of a witness and a couple of other things. Can they stop this before it really starts?
PW,
I believe his first marriage was a casualty of his failed 1980 senate re-election campaign. I forget what the issues were. You can reach Alex Colvin, his campaign chairman at the Gravel 2008 web site. Gravel and his wife have grown kids from his present marriage.
Supposedly, Gravel’s going to be on Colbert today.
TeddySanFran @ 9
Ding!
Which of these stories will you be talking about tomorrow?
-GSD
We should get a pool on which rightwing thinktanker is the wanker.
I think I just divorced myself. I am still trying to “find myself,” and I decided that I didn’t like what was turning up. If anyone can hook me up someone such as myself that I would like a lot better, let me know.
Just got back from the Moveon War protest rally in Jackson MS.
No time to chat now, but I posted my experience on my site at the following post.
http://thetimtimes.com/?p=36
Peace.
TeddySanFran @
9
Yes, yes, yes! and Mark Pryor!
How much is going to be revealed Friday night?
How much is going to be revealed Friday night?
Well, that depends on how many singles you bring.
I would say that the whole thing sounds like some sort of Bacchanalia. Except for the fact that Bacchus promoted civilization, was a lawgiver and loved PEACE which these people clearly do not…
My next choice of words would have to be something as banal as Hypocrisy.
Looking at Olbermann. The man is hot again tonight.
How did it go in NYC with Christy and Pups?
TeddySanFran @
9
Yes!
George Bush is completely out of touch with reality. This is a very sick boy.
That has got to be one of the stooopidest lines ever from Dubya (just overheard it on KO): “Either we’ll succeed — or we won’t succeed.”
Great article on SFGate.com
The Hippies Were Right!
Thought that y’all would like to know.
Do not compromise. Democrats.
Wiki’ed Gravel and found two pics of him and (first, I guess) wife, Whitney,
How can anyone buy into Bushian logic?
And McCain is nuts.
GSD @ 19
…please let it be tucker’s dad, oh PLEASE let it be tucker’s dad…
Sid58 @
33
Present wife.
Waiting for the shoe to drop on Hastert. Ever since I heard of the story I had thoughts that my congressman was probably going to get caught up in it. He has been consipicuously quiet since the election.
moi @ 36
WHo is his dad?
noen @ 31
Steal This Blog!
Dennis Kucinich…is now married to a woman three decades his junior.
and who is a good foot taller than he is.
Good Gawd. Look at some of the choices. Rudy, Mitt, McCain, Hillary and Obama.
SnarKassandra @ 10
That is an interesting point. Maybe you could formulate that thought into a question. Politco is accepting questions for the GOP debate, coming from you they might ask it!
jayt @ 41
Any chance her sister is seeking a Bay Area guy in his 40’s?
lolo @ 43
where would I send it?
I hope that there are more than a few neocons involved with this.
I agree with your overall post, PW, but the details are a bit too generalized. For instance, I think that a walk through San Francisco’s “Folsom Street Fair” would produce more than a few democrats who prefer their sex . . . how to put it? . . . other than straight. They are, however, vehement that it be safe.
JR @ 11
I know it is as if the fired attorney scandal is on our back burner. HA!
kirk murphy @ 44
No but Aunt Betsy might. :)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 29
Been there, done that .
™∞•–≠ (just to show lolo that others know her tricks.)
I would add another reason the repugs don’t get along very well with their spouses.
The conservative ethic is “look out for number one” and let everyone else take care of themselves.
That attitude is not very supportive of intimate relationships or co-operative relationships in general.
Cue Jack Jones:
Love, Republican style
Love, hogtied in a pile
Love, at $300 an hour
Take the cash, scour it off in the shower
Right Wing…Soon will be block-booking all your outcalls
Love swing…Hanging upside down by their – *
Set your Blackberry for adventure
Your mind on someone else’s pants
And love…
Might hurt just a bit
But the RNC’s gonna pay for it…
LOOOOOOOVE!
;>)
KO talking ’bout Goodling
Oh Happy Day!
Loo Hoo @ 12
ŁĤŌŐ♥
darkblack @ 52
That is soooooo excellent!
Hi, everybody…Snarkassandra, there’s a link for questions here
Here’s your political trivia fact for the day – Elizabeth Ray sex scandal involved powerful Democrat US Rep Wayne Hays – after resigning from Congress in disgrace, Hays served a term in Ohio state house of Representatives, until he was defeated in 1981 by……Bob Ney
You know the big difference between a Repug and a Dem in these sex scandals… the Repug is always caught paying for it…
Hmmm, SnarKass, can I see some ID, please ;-)
Darkblack… OMGoddess….
Great work!
(Must.bleach.visual.cortex.)
For the newcomers . . . any link from darkblack comes with an implied warning:
Set down your beverage, and find your brain bleach before you click. (And if you plan on eating dinner anytime soon, don’t click now.)
Good one, db!
I can sympathize with Dennis..my GF of the past four years also robbed the nursing home. She is 32 years younger; but I am 10″ taller.
kemo @ 59
My ID says 9th grade and has my lunch number and my library number.
kirk murphy @ 44
Well, if the sister looks like Mrs. Kucinich,
youI should be trying to find that out.After all, what’s the Bay Area got that Indianapolis doesn’t?
Don’t answer that.
RonD @ 57
OK. thinking about how to ask
Oklahoma kiddo @
26
During the clip he showed of the Chimpy, did the Chimp’s hair look green? It seems like every time I’m seeing clips of th chimp these days, his hair is looking to have a green tint. Are there any drugs or drinks that turn hair green?
Jonathan Turley on KO:
You cannot discriminate on hiring based on political affiliation. Very serious problems.
All the immunity does is to protect her from her own words.
Congress should delay any testimony of Monica.
The use of politics for career people should be based on competence.
Misconceptions of executive privilege.
Leahy smart, going straight for the WH.
WHo is his dad?
he’s on the advisory commitee of the scooter libby defense fund, but he’s also Vice Chairman of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, a policy institute focusing on terrorism
dakine01 @ 66
Republic kool-aid.
lolo @ 43
You can ask it, but there are now more than 20 screens of questions, and the default(?) comes up that they’re listed in descending(?) order of popularity. This means, if I understand correctly, that any new question will be shown on about page 30, which is like EPU-ville. Better to vote on your fave questions on the first page.
BTW, after you press the “vote” button on any given question, you immediately get congratulated on your vote, like “OK, you’re done now.” but if you click on the “Go back” button of your browser, you can get the page back and vote on other questions.
Bob in HI
Test
jayt @ 40
She is HOT!
AZ Matt @ 46
I doubt that Palfry deals in THOSE fantasies. I am sure even she has her standards.
Let’s not forget about the “Central American gals” that take care of Tobias now. Sounds like they were lured to U.S. with promise of jobs and are now prostitutes. Or at least it should be looked at.
Any advice on changing this before I hit POST:
Steve @ 62
It happens. When my father died, he was 73 and his GF was 41. My sister was 42 and I was 37.
Bustednuckles @
2
Yup.
Kirk Murphy, re: hinky linky on previous thread (my comments don’t show up) see me at aisle 10.
Peterr @ 61
‘Objects in mirror are closer than they appear’
;>)
Phoenix Woman @ 77
I like your posts PW
SnarKassandra @ 49
Ane here I’ve been thinking Aunt Betsy had impeccable taste in her choice of associates.
(Of course, based on an exemplary N of 1.)
solai @
74
Exactly. There are at least 50,000 slaves in the US.
lolo @ 72
I’m jealous
SnarKassandra @ 75
Your phrase “congress members” is most felicitous.
kirk murphy @ 84
Is that good or bad?
LS @ 71
How many dumb republicans will sit under a giant plane tomorrow evening?
dakine01 @ 76
I bet he smiled a lot.
That’s good Snark. heh heh, Kirk said “members”…heh heh
jayt @ 87
Let’s just say she kept him alive a couple of extra years.
rat bastahd @ 88
adults talk about sex ALL THE TIME
kirk murphy —- Aunt Betsy is not older than a man in his 40’s.
(Romney’s the Steve Forbes of 2008. Lots of money, no chance.)
earnest Kevin Drum, rarley cited but occasionally chided in these quarters, begs to differ:
LoudounLib @ 56
‘but honey……I was just ummmmmmm…outsourcing.
Oklahoma kiddo @
29
DSM IV-TR. 297.1 Delusional Disorder
The essential feature of Delusional Disorder is the presence of one or more nonbizarre delusions that persist for at least one month (Criterion A.) A diagnosis of Delusional Disorder is not given if the individual has ever had a symptom presentation that met Criterion A for Schizophrenia (Criterion B). . . .
Apart from the direct impact of the delusions, psychosocial functioning is not markedly impaired, and the behavior is neither obviously odd or bizarre (Criterion C.) If mood episodes occur concurrently with the delusions, the total duration of these mood episodes is relatively brief compared to the total duration of the delusional periods (Criterion D.) The delusions are not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., cocaine) or a general medical condition (e.g., Alzheimer’s disease…) (Criterion E.)
===========================================
Well, what if the delusion has lasted for, say, 6-7 years?
Dang, where’s Pachacutec when we need him???
PAGING PACH!!!! (Waving frantically)
Bob in HI
SnarKassandra @
11
You got it!
Bob Schacht @ 94
Y’all saw this, right?
http://youthinkleft.com/2007/0…..diagnosis/
OT, but speaking of hypocrisy:
Drugs are bad, mmmmm’kay?
“adults talk about sex ALL THE TIME”
Absolutely. And if I was your sex ed teacher ALL your questions would be answered. Honestly and forthrightly. It’s the same argument PW is making about Dems and their long marriages. Good sex, like good marriage, requires love and understanding, which is quite the opposite of “paying for it” and power mongering which seem to be the GOP ideals.
Snar-K, I like your post quite a bit!
And Jay T, with the brains and initiative SnarKassandra’s showing, I’d say if she thinks her aunt is cool, well… Sometimes actions speak louder than pictures!
Bob Schacht @ 94
egregious may have some info to help us too.
maybe they only like it if it’s dirty.
lolo @ 93
Great phrase lolo, especially if PW’s theory is correct – Republicans like to outsource their sex.
rat bastahd @ 98
There are adults in my life who will answer ALL my questions and teach me all the stuff that school doesn’t teach. One of them will even answer sex questions for my friends. :)
SnarKassandra @
75
OOOOO, a beautiful piece of snark! You earned your handle today, Cassie!
Bob in HI
LoudounLib @ 97
well, that will pretty much put an end to the Baby Bull’s association with the SF Giants.
Perhaps there will be ABC executive or two outed.
Ed*ard Teller @
17
Thanks! I tried quizzing an Alaskan friend of mine and even he didn’t know.
Does this mean we had a random link?
LS @ 78
PS – I hope Margie’s cat came through OK.
SnarKassandra @
85
kirk murphy @ 84
SnarKassandra @ 75
Any advice on changing this before I hit POST:
Your phrase “congress members” is most felicitous.
Is that good or bad?
It means “very good!”
Bob in HI
Trying to catch up
This just ties in with my theory about conservative sexual morality.
First, it’s all about the male—obviously.
Second, there are two reasons for controlling women’s sexuality, determining parenthood AND keeping the woman at home. Even though there is excellent birth control, women must be kept at home, not just to raise children, but as a symbol of the man’s authority.
Finally, once the woman is stuck at home, the man of the house is free to fool around on the side, any way he pleases—no holds barred.
Fucking underage boys is fine, as long as he doesn’t get caught. In fact, one of the benefits of being the male figure in an authoritarian household is that there are so many sexual acts which have extra piquancy because they are forbidden. This is especially true of gay sex, of course.
This theory is not meant in jest, by the way.
I think the sexual freedom for the man is the perk that gets them to go along with the authoritarianism.
Thoughts?
Sadly, while the Bush diagnosis may seem like a Slam Dunk any professional in mental health would tell you it is not possible and completely unethical to diagnose someone you have not actually had first person contact with. No real shrink worth seeing would actually do it.
Meanwhile, the rest of us can still make our own opinions based on the evidence we see every day from our whacked out Pres. :)
rat bastahd @ 98
For the Cons, sex is dirty, thus there’s more of an emotional charge to it — it’s exciting, but not ultimately fulfilling, it would seem. That goes double for the gay Cons like Haggard.
cassie
oh my girl, you’re readin’ it right as usual——as rickie lee jones said, don’t give it away if they don’t appreciate it…………
Those LA police with the rubber bullets look a little like Blackwater, don’t they?
SnarKassandra @ 75
SnarKassandra, I knew you could do it. You bring such a sweetness as you smack ‘em down.
SnarKassandra @
96
Yes, I did. You done good with that, but I’m going for “co-occurring disorders”. :-)
Bob in HI
Did anyone see the last segment on KO? Why do Americans allow their police to shoot and beat them for nothing more than assembly?
madness!
Eureka Springs @
116
I don’t let anyone hurt me ever!
Bill O bronze because of derogatory names during his openings
Silver to Chase Bank and advertisers (for using light beam like WTC memorials)
Gold to Paul Harvey for saying dead women and children shouldn’t be called civilians
Oklahoma kiddo @
8
But what of the partisan pecksniffery of said pernicious politicians?
SnarKassandra @ 91
Oops – I thought I was channeling WC Fields, but I fear I seemed quite rude.
I was trying to make a small (nano-?) joke at my expense, suggesting that Aunt Betsy associates with such fine people (like you) that I’d be a downward departure from her excellent standards.
I really apologize that my attempt came off as critical of Aunt Betsy (or her age!) in any way – that was not in any way my intention (or my belief).
This is one more example of:
why I don’t earn my living as a stand-up comic….
________
PS – your felicitous phrase is very, very good.
(Your care in avoiding surplus apostrophes with the phrase is also good.)
Lyrebird @ 99
ummm, did I say something that I forgot to remember in time to not recall it?
and fwiw, I think SnarKassandra’s question is excellent, and that she should submit it as is.
Balrog @ 119
As long as they don’t leave p*ck*r tracks.
allan_in_upstate @ 83
oooohhhhh she has REALLY big hands. ewwwwwww
Does Monica hold the Keys to the Kingdom?
Eureka Springs @ 116
I saw it. Too much…the evil empire.
kirk murphy @
121
I just thought maybe you thought she was really old but she is not.
Tithonia @ 102
I know that’s what I meant.
But, seriously, folks. Exactly what are we supposed to find out Friday night? I don’t watch ABC so I haven’t seen any of the teases.
Loo Hoo @ 124
We can but hope.
Balrog @ 120
Perfectly proper probably.
Anyone heard the new Willie Nelson tune, “A Peaceful Solution”?
http://www.commondreams.org/ar…..05/02/902/
SnarKassandra @ 63
hey now, I was just being snarky. never give out personal info here, or anywhere you don’t need to…
number one rule for you: be careful kid.
“If any prominent Democrats were on the list, we’d have heard about them by now.”
I hope that proves to be true. On the other hand, it must be killing the Republics to be in the minority now. No one investigates sex like Republics do. Even with Bush…I mean Cheney…in power, I know they’d go after sex this time with frenzied intensity.
SnarKassandra @ 127
Never crossed my mind about Aunt Betsy.
I’m the one I think is really old :{
kirk murphy @
108
D’ya think the reference (check your spelling) is too way out there? I’ll just drop it, since it disappeared off Kos immediately (I have it downloaded though).
the K Street boutique hall lobby outfits
morphed into
the cased treat booty call hobby – ouch! – fit to be tied
ccmask @ 125
LA cops are a gang of rascists. I think it started here: A Brief History!
Loo Hoo @ 124
I think she probably does, but the more I learn, the more uncomfortable I get with the immunity deal. She clearly knew what she was doing and she did it willingly. They had better make darn sure that they absolutely need her to get to Rove, Cheney and Bush. Cuz the thought of her walking away scott free from this makes me pretty mad.
solai @ 129
That’s when 20/20 does their big story on the DC Madam.
rat bastahd @
110
Frist!
Is Larry Lindsey still a part of this administration? I’m about half way through The Price of Loyalty and he sounds like he’d be a good candidate to be our “administration economist” that can’t resist himself some high-priced perversion. Portrayed by Paul O’Neill as real power-hungry, shady, an all-around creep.
Balrog @ 141
Bush with a shrink would be like Tony Soprano with a shrink without any personal insight.
joel mael at 51
The conservative ethic is “look out for number one” and let everyone else take care of themselves.
That attitude is not very supportive of intimate relationships or co-operative relationships in general.
boy did i learn that the hard way
ccmask @ 113
I didn’t pay attention but I will check out the local news here and see if I can find out.
Couldn’t resist the appalling pun, LS -
but I’m quite curious about the referenced record.
If you have any way of posting (or wish to send to my *mail), you can reach me: kmurphy * riseup * net.
The site on the hinky link was interesting, too –
looks like the Texas AG’s recent ruling on SSN security “just happens” to mean court records aren’t e-searchable.
Wonder if that is Texas wide or only that county?
Peterr @ 140
Unless 15,000 attorneys file something between now and Friday, we should learn something, or maybe they’ll just drag it out. Although it sounds all juicy, etc., a lot of people are going to get hurt, and I personally don’t feel good about that at all, but if it exposes a method of blackmailing members of Congress into rubberstamping things, then…well.
Helen @ 139
She’s an assistant to the chief of staff of the AG. She didn’t dream this up one day; pull the wool over the eyes of Rove, Myers, and AGAG to get hiring and firing authority;, and carry this out all by her lonesomeness. She’s not a big fish — she’s a minion who does their bidding.
At least, one can hope, until she testifies. At that point, she takes her instructions from the Judiciary Committee.
Arianna on Scarborough
Jay @ 142
So Paul O’Neill was a real Bushie.
lolo @
1
lolo! your little face is so cute. love seeing you smile like that. does heart good!
Badwater @ 150
Meant to say “Larry Lindsey”
Among other reasons you can’t diagnose Bush with mental illness from a distance is that you don’t know what medical problems he has, or if he has neurological problems. And who knows what his relationship with Pickles is when the cameras aren’t on?
kirk murphy @ 146
I’ll send it to you now (we are being hit in Central TX with some more awful storms, so if you don’t get it, consider me “wizard of oz’d” for awhile ;}
John Edwards new commercial-Send the Worst President Ever, the same Democratic Out of Iraq Bill-Arriana on MSNBC now
Balrog @ 141
Antisocial Personality Disorder.
New thready goodness up top!
Peterr@148
I agree with you, but she did it and she knew it was wrong. She could have walked away, and she chose not too. Don’t get me wrong – if I have to choose between her and the others I choose the others. I am just saying that if they can get the others without her then they should get the others plus her.
From the magazine, Syria Today:
The price of Refuge
For the past several months there has been confusion over whether or not the Syrian government has changed visa requirements for Iraqis. Last year, Iraqis did not require a visa and could stay for up to six months. After that, their permit could be renewed for a further six months at any border, following a quick exit and immediate re-entry – essentially a zip around a border post – that could be repeated as often as needed, for an indefinite period.
But rumours of changes to the rules started to emerge in January. News agencies began quoting Iraqis in Syria who said they were being issued with just a 15-day permit. The Iraqis were allegedly told they would then have to apply for a three-month permission slip that could only be renewed once. After six months, any Iraqi who was not a student or did not have a job or business would have to leave Syria for at least a month before being allowed back in. And only those renting houses could apply for a residency permit.
Frank33 @ 154
Cool!
LS @ 147
Well, that just proves to me that I’m an evil, bad-tempered old woman. They’ve been making us as miserable as they could for years. I want some of them to feel pain. They’ve earned it.
dakine
swimming will
lolo says
May 2nd, 2007 at 5:51 pm
I’m jealous
oooohhhhh she has REALLY big hands. ewwwwwww
from what I saw on the teevee the other night, that picture doesn’t show her ‘best side’.
Exposing them to take away Rove’s hold on them may be beneficial.
Let’s see if RNC lawyers try to stop the show.
Phoenix Woman @ 159
You can watch or even donate here
Badwater,
I think Lindsey was more of a Norquist disciple. Shrink the government, drown it in the bathtub and let corporate jackals fill the vaccuum, with a little help from the no-bid contracts-R-us GOP/Bushies.
Peterr @
47
Yeah, I snickered at that bit myself. Many of the Dems I know are definitely into kinky sex … and so are their spouses/partners/whatever.
SusanD @
161
No, no, I mean the wives and kids, etc., not the “evil” one’s, they deserve what they get. I am in agreement with you about that.
new thread
Helen @ 139
I agree. With the Rethug/fascists is like the “Night of the Living Dead”; they keep coming back. Unlike WaterGate and Iran-Contra, we need to prosecute the lower and middle level enablers: the proto-Cheney’s, Rumsfelds, Abrams, etc. Monica and the others like her that are infesting our government need to spend a few decades in Federal Prison.
Phoenix Woman @ 129
Tried to do the fancy linky/wordy thing:
http://thinkprogress.org/
I never thought of it that way before, but it sounds right on a gut level.
SusanD @ 161
Except some (relatively) innocent bystanders are going to get hurt, too.
Eureka Springs @ 117
Purposeful. Intentional. Deliberate. Amorally rational.
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Cassie, you’ve seen through them.
The LAPD did the same thing at a very large permitted public gathering (Rage Against the Machine concert) at the 2000 DNC convention there.
The day before the concert, the LAPD placed huge concrete barriers along the only open side of a vast rectangle of parking lot used for the concert site. The LAPD left gaps a few feet wide between barriers: the other three sides of the rectangle were impassable. (Opposite the open side of the rectnagle was the Staples Center – the convention site. Not exactly open to the Rage audience.)
The next night the LAPD fired “non-lethal” projectiles into the concert crowd – and kept firing as the panicked crowd struggled to pass though the barriers out of the concert area without stampeding the wounded.
LAPD kept firing on the streets around the concert area, too. Thousands of projectiles. Plenty of chemical weapons (mostly pepper spray – the Staples Center was too close for mass tear gas). Indiscrimate fire on crowds.
The usual post-Seattle suppression of our legal peaceable public assembly.
The LAPD shot the chair of the local National Lawyers Guild in her face…as she wore the NLG’s unique fluorescent green “observer” vest and cap.
The same garb the NLG wore to protests in LA for years, watching the LAPD.
The same NLG that secured Federal Court orders forbidding the LAPD (and pals) from invading, closing, or storming the five-story building we rented, renovated, and used as headquarters for the protest street activities.
Shot her in the face.
The people with the guns and gas masks plan their violence (the “thrown bottle” is the pretext). They work for power. Power doesn’t tolerate freelance violence – power seeks the monopoly on violence.
When our peaceful assembly threatens power, power gets frightened – and they seek to frighten us.
Didn’t work in LA.
Won’t work in the US. Not anymore.
For the 2000 DNC protests, I was co-coordinator of the protest medics, so I was the designated liasion with the LAFD Deputy Chief assigned to work with us.
Unlike the LAPD, the LA Fire Dept really wants to serve the community and keep people alive: they worked very hard to help protect demonstrators’ health and safety in 2000.
The night of the concert, a sprained ankle left me too slow for rough play: as the LAPD started to deploy around the concert goers, I threaded their lines and returned to our “convergence center” building.
From the center that night I relayed field reports and casualty calls from our medics to the LAFD…until there wasn’t any point.
The LAPD caused so many casualties the LAFD ran out of response units.
Our convergence clinic was pretty busy, too.
The next day we were out again – with a lot of really sympathetic (and bruised) media.
They do it to frighten us – and they fail.
During the 2000 DNC protests, we had a huge a triumphant march through the garment sweatshop district – the biggest march for the undocumented in a generation…
until the million person LA march six years later.
They do it to frighten us – and they fail.
Lou Costello @ 138
ccmask @ 125
Eureka Springs @ 116
Did anyone see the last segment on KO? Why do Americans allow their police to shoot and beat them for nothing more than assembly?
madness!
I saw it. Too much…the evil empire.
LA cops are a gang of rascists. I think it started here: A Brief History!
I know, but I did so enjoy saying “LAPD” to my rabid repub when he was railing about Reno and the Elian caper.
Just so you know: there has been a sign for like EVER over an SF freeway saying, Bush lies.
What’s new is that today, farther down the freeway to more conservative ‘hoods, there is a huge sign saying War Pig with a big W logo. This may not sound like a lot but it is very big in this area.
Maybe that’s the psychology behind it, but on the surface I think they’re just selfish, gluttonous slobs (and and kinky… :)
Helen @ 138
I agree, Helen. There as so many problem people in this administration. Hope our folks can avoid pardons.
joel mael @
51
I would concur in that most repubs are authoritarian in nature. And women, while young and impressionable, can easily fall victim to hero worship…but women grow up as they get older and take on raising children and other interests and don’t quite see men in the same light as they get older…thereby relegating men to search for someone to worship them the way they once were worshipped (not to mention to find someone that they can control)… this leads to younger and younger women as the men get older and older…
punaise @
92
I used to disagree a lot with Kevin, but he’s come around in the last year or so. I would tend to agree with him if logic had anything to do with how the Republicans pick their candidates.
Right now those candidates are running around like robots without Darth Vader to tell them what to do.
Who’s “Big Daddy” in the Republican party right now?
I don’t see George HW Bush having much sway after his last play’s disastrous 3rd act (Dubya).
Badwater @
143
For therapy “insight” isn’t necessary. I just finished reading an old book of mine on Milton Erickson and he said it was worthless. Look into “brief therapy” or “Neuro-Linguistic Programming” or “Milton Erickson” if you’re curious about it.
Erickson used hypnosis quite a lot early in his career, but dropped it later-on. He has had a LOT of followers and spawned a virtual industry. Don’t be at all surprised if his brand of therapy erases Freudian.
Fred Thompson is on the Scooter Libby Defense $$$ board.
Just finished reading the day’s press briefing. Looks like instead of the goal being “an Iraq that can sustain, defend and govern itself,” the president is looking for an “acceptable level of violence.”
republicans are not the kinky ones.
swingers are usually republicans…the kinky people are usually democrats.
Balrog @
141
Right! If he can diagnose Terry Schiavo from the luxury of his Senate Office by remote video, . . . .
Bob in HI
kirk murphy @
156
I thought he was supposed to be the guy we were supposed to feel comfy having a beer with? (Oops, I just ended a sentence a preposition with!)
Bob in HI
do-si-do @
176
I heard there’s one in Phoenix, too, but I haven’t seen it. I do have a pix, however. If anyone’s interested, I can try to figure out a place to put it.
Bob in HI
Other Pat @ 181
Bless you, Bless you, Bless you.
May that which you hold most sacred smile upon you.
Bright Blessings.
Happy Beltane*.
Happy Full Moon.
Thanks for your research!
PS – linky, please? ;)
(* edited: for those moved by the original, Happy Bletane.)
Peterr @
47
Yeah, “straight” isn’t the right word. How about “safe, sane and consensual”?
All the GOP chickenhawks are hypocrites when it comes to putting their bodies in harm’s way in the conflicts they tell us are crucial; in the same way the stench of deceit swilling around the GOP corpse when it comes to family values, sex, and morality is overpowering whether from Rep Foley, or Ted Haggard, or the wannabees.
From Wikipedia, confirming ET’s comment regarding Gravel’s first marriage:
SnarKassandra @ 45
Too bad 20/20 isn’t on Thursday night and the debate on Friday night. Frankly, my dream politician to get caught in this would be Lieberman, but’s it’s difficult to imagine since he seems in love only with himself.
rat bastahd @ 111
Paging Dr. Frist — Dr. Frist please come to tele-diagnosis ASAP! /s
Helen @ 139
Jonathan Turley was on Olbermann tonight and he said he thought Leahy was acting brilliantly waiting for the DoJ investigation on Monica to do it’s work before bringing her before the JudComm to testify. They will benefit from the DoJ findings and that way she won’t be able to pull an Oliver North and get off scott free for her evil deeds.
Phoenix Woman—I believe the John McCain story is even worse. He was “dating” wife No. 2 while still being married to wife #1. Also, he supposedly was really disappointed to come home from being an POW and find that wife #1, who had formerly been a hottie, had been in a serious car accident while he was a POW. She didn’t tell him because she didn’t want him.
I mean, sheesh. Wife #1 sticks by McCain through his long years as a POW, raises the kids on her own, survives a car crash and gets dumped shortly after McCain comes home because she walked with a limp and wasn’t the hottie of his dreams.
Of course, wife #1 is better off without the guy. But still. It was ugly.
SnarKassandra @ 75
Cassie — great question! Tweetie and Jim VandeHei will never read it, but go for it anyway.
The reluctance of the Washington based press to jump into this story may very well be telling. There was no hesitation from 1992 onwards to print absolutely any kind of garbage concerning Whitewater and that was (warning, massive understatement coming) a rather more serious matter.
Don’t get any of us going on the kneejerk reaction to some of the Lewinsky spin-off stories (Kathleen Willey, etc.) that were without merit.
If ABC does indeed have the whole list and there were a well known Democrat on that list we would have heard it by now.
Interesting that the Washington press corps gets all cautious and ethical when it comes to Republicans but throws caution to the wind where Democrats are concerned.
Although he worked for Clinton for awhile, Dick Morris is a Republican. If Morris is on the list, the press will report him as a former Clinton aide.
kirk murphy @
188
I will post this here and on the current thread. (I crashed early this evening; now it is 1:30 a.m., and this system will not let me type contractions. hmmm. Anyhow, I found this information when I clicked on the link to Tucker Carlsons dad. It is at http://www.scooterlibby.com. On the home page is the “Advisory Committee” with the Honorable Fred Thompson included. Hope this helps.
I’m rooting for Condi.
The only way I could see Dick Morris on the list is if they also do the gay escort thing. Every time I hear Morris my gaydar goes off on full alert.
I LOVE it! That Madame has big brass cojones, and if she pulls down the republican party with them, so much the better.
Meanwhile, legalize and tax it – why should we all pay taxes on our income and sales when they don’t? The girls would be more likely to escape abuse and assault, and would be more likely to provide safe sex and get medical treatment.
Here’s my very late contrarian view:
The hookers from this agency have so far been all women. The republicans are the closeted gay mafia so they must have been using another service. Ergo – this will turn up some dems and miss some repubs.
[PW butts in: Actually, no Dems have been named and some Cons/Bushies are on the list.]
I don’t care much about the DC Madam, unless Karl Rove is on that phone list.
What I do want to know is
- who was Gannon servicing in the White House and
- when will this come out ?
Is this another thing like the Bush separation that will be revealed as “common knowledge” in, say, 2 years ?