
Jonathon Turley was on MSNBC’s Countdown last night (you can watch the video here, under Gonzales’ Secret Order) to discuss the latest revelations by National Journal’s Murray Waas regarding Alberto Gonzales and the White House’ efforts to politicize the Justice Department and turn it into the legal arm of the Republican Party. Even describing the topic suggests how serious a danger this effort was/is, not just to Democrats but to democratic government. And with Gonzales still Attorney General — by definition, people without honor can never be counted on to do the honorable thing — that effort will continue, since providing cover for this anti-rule of law coup and those who led it is apparently the only reason why the White House has not forced Gonzales to resign.
As Christy highlighted in this post yesterday, Waas revealed that Gonzales secretly delegated to Kyle Sampson, in an order signed by Monica Goodling, the authority to hire and fire non-civil service DoJ employees, including political appointees other than those requiring Senate confirmation. The original delegation, deemed too broad, was then revised to require at least the Attorney General’s pro forma approval, though little more. Gonzales and the DoJ had previously failed to disclose this highly relevant information to Congressional investigators trying to figure out how and why US Attorneys were forced to resign, who made the decisions, and who selected their replacements.
While delegating authority is not unusual by itself, secretly doing so apparently is. According to Waas’ sources at DoJ,
“It was an attempt to make the department more responsive to the political side of the White House and to do it in such a way that people would not know it was going on,” the official said.
As was the case with the fired U.S. attorneys, the employees targeted for dismissal would never know that they had been selected by the White House or the Justice Department aides, according to records and interviews. Most of the eight fired U.S. attorneys were given the news by Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty; by McNulty’s chief of staff, Michael Elston; or by Michael Battle, another senior Justice official, typically with no mention of any role by anyone else.
Delegating such important authority to relatively inexperienced attorneys is not a good idea, delegating it to political operatives is a bad idea, and delegating it to the people at DoJ most directly connected to White House political operative Karl Rove is a transparently dangerous one. And that would be true even if Mr. Sampson had not already resigned under fire for his role in the political firings of the US Attorneys. For her part, Ms. Goodling first declared her intention to invoke her 5th Amendment right against self incrimination to avoid testifying about her role. She too has since resigned and is now facing a subpoena to testify before the Judiciary Committee(s) after having been granted limited immunity. These people were deciding who works in our Justice Department based on whether they deemed the candidates to be “loyal Bushies.” For Monica Goodling, that presumably also meant, fellow religious alumni.
The notion that the White House’s chief political operative and Republican campaign strategist would have two compliant minions essentially deciding who would be hired, fired or promoted in the Justice Department should be enough for Congress and the media to demand immediate resignations at Justice and the White House of everyone involved in the scheme. But somehow, in the only conceivable benefit of being responsible for multiple scandals and outrages all at once, the White House is apparently hoping this latest outrage can slip by just below the cover of some other scandal’s headlines. We shouldn’t let it.
As usual, Professor Turley got straight to the point on why this scandal is so important and such a threat to our system. He described the White House effort by evoking images of the old Soviet system, in which political apparatchiks reporting to the Party leaders were placed in key positions throughout the bureaucracies to ensure that only those loyal to the Communist Party were hired and advanced, while those disloyal to the Party would either never get hired or have their careers ended at any sign of political disloyalty. That appears to be exactly what Rove’s minions were doing at the Department of Justice. One is tempted to add that in the Soviet system, a great many government officials “served at the pleasure of the President,” so I”m just waiting for the rightwing pundits to pull out that chestnut and deal with the parallels. But I suspect they’ll choke on the irony that the Republican party that once defined itself by it’s anti-communism now permits its Leader to function under essentially the same model.
Our high school civics books describe the “genius” of the US constitutional system in which checks and balances prevent the American ship of state from being seized by any single branch of government, let alone by any one person or cabal of zealots. But astute observers at least since the Nixon years have always understood that the design is vulnerable; its success depends on each element remaining healthy and independent, and courageously, honestly doing its job.
We now understand that the entire rule of law at the federal level rests to a surprising extent on trust — a faith that no matter what else happens in Washington, there will be enough integrity and political courage residing in the career professionals at the Department of Justice to demand that the laws be faithfully executed. Sooner or later, this faith holds, those who believe in the rule of law will prevail, and those who sought to abuse government will be reined in, if not brought fully to justice.
That belief was justified in the Watergate era, but many of us remember it as a close call. And with over a decade of faux conservatives in power attacking all the premises of that system and co-opting many of the media watchdogs — thank the gods for folks like Murray Waas — we are not sure the system will work this time. We are still waiting — hoping — for that moment, and doing everything we can to support those who come forward, to help spread their stories. There are lots of encouraging signs — such as the DoJ officials coming forward to tell Murray Waas about Gonzales’ secret delegation. But why did they wait this long? And what else do they know? More please; it’s your country, and this is the moment that will define who you are.
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morning
hey scarecrow, you’re up early this mornin
having my panera coffee using the panera free internet
gonna have my coffe and read your post
in the mean time, did you see the kent state re-du in california?
unbelievable how close the this administration is to the Nixon years, supposedly not enough warning before the bullets went flying, people beaten when tehy went down
ok, going to read the post
zed
grumble – I don’t even know why I tried that…
Zed! Morning pups – my first zed
this is vile stuff, and only confirms what we knew in our bones — no surprise there. you’d think the bushies would NOT do one or two things we know they’re capable of, just to throw us off. but there really is no step too low or debasing to the notion of representative government they won’t take, is there?
Wonder why the Repug Congress let this happen. And why they’re not too anxious to let anyone find out about it now.
Morning Scarecrow.
Post precisely on point as always. I can’t express the loathing and disdain I feel for this administration and everything they have touched and corrupted.
On another note, are you all moved?
Wish I could stick around, but off to another meet and greet. Now I know how politicians feel. I couldn’t do it. WAY too fast paced and exhausting.
I have been watching this DOJ story in horror for some time now. The worst part is, there seems to be almost nothing we can do about it! Congress still won’t impeach. So if Gonzales refuses to resign, and Bush won’t fire him, is that TRUELY the end of it? We just have to wait them out?
Good Morning!
This is a great post, Scarecrow. Thanks for laying it all out. Now, I’ve got to follow through on a couple links…
ok, read the post, enlightening scarecrow
let me say something about this though;
I do not believe an office which needs senate onfirmation can indiscriminantly delegate the extraordinary powers they aquire to individuals who are not confirmed
tasks yes, authority no..for instance I would be able to fire someone and task an underling to complete that task but the underling couldn’t initiate and complete the firing of individuals
if I was able to transfer without discretionn the authority granted by congress then confirmation process would be worthless since a confirmed officeer would obviously be able to give his authority to a choice thac couldn’t get confirmation if they went throught the process
they can delegate their tasks, they cannot delegate their authority…they can possibly allow somebody to act as their proxy but they would have to sign off on every initiative that proxy initiated
btw
IANAL
Smgumby @ 9
It’s not over yet
Congratulations, Mae.
Smgumby @
4
Don’t worry, Smgumby; the practice helps.
Good morning everyone.
Yesterday’s Senate Intel Committee Hearing was yet another example of this Admin’s remarkable hubris. After repeatedly abusing power, while the evidence piles up of Rove/RNC ownershipe of the DoJ, the panelists told the Committee and the American people to “trust us.” Wainstein from DoJ was particularly ridiculous. We should trust Gonzales?!!! Are you kidding?
Thanks Scarecrow. Great post!
Good morning, Scarecrow!
OT: Am I alone or did anyone else catch NPR this morning wrt Lieberman. He was whining about the bloggers again. He also said that the biggest growing party today is no party. That’s all I really caught.
Georgesimian @
7
they let it happen because they saw it as a permanent employment act for Republicans. Constitution and rule of law be damned.
Civics isn’t being taught in high schools they way it was thirty years ago-as a year-long subject. Nowadays, kids have to get it by osmosis in their US history or social science classes. Back to de-lurking.
RevDeb @
8
I’ve moved everything I plan to move, sorta. I just don’t have any place to put it. Making trips to Goodwill etc.
Is it just me, or does anyone else thing that Kiran and John Roberts are way worse than Soledad and Miles. (Not that Soledad and Miles were great.) John Roberts just spouted Republican talking point that the Dems held up funding for weeks so that they could sign the bill on “Mission Accomplished Day.” Ughh.
perris — Waas’ article notes that the delegation did not extend to political appointees that required confirmation.
When do they open the new psyciatric hospitals for political dissidents? Because they’re going to need a lot of them, what with 2/3rds of the Country opposing them.
Here’s something to lighten the mood. Karen Hughes in a Swimsuit…the high school years
I’m using a broad interpretation of “lighten”, you know, the non-existent one.
Good Morning Scarecrow and Firedogs,
my only quibble with Professor Turley (and he’s been a champ all along). . .was that in his assessment of bigger picture damage, he did not mention all of this was designed
to -
ensure Republican victories
pack the courts
and
suppress votes
‘morning all… coffee’s ready – hold out your cups
heyitsmom—
Welcome to the Lake! Hope to hear from you often.
“. . .One is tempted to add that in the Soviet system, a great many government officials “served at the pleasure of the President. . .”
. . .astute observers at least since the Nixon years have always understood that the design is vulnerable; its success depends on each element remaining healthy and independent, and courageously, honestly doing its job.
We now understand that the entire rule of law at the federal level rests to a surprising extent on trust — a faith that no matter what else happens in Washington, there will be enough integrity and political courage residing in the career professionals at the Department of Justice to demand that the laws be faithfully executed. Sooner or later, this faith holds, those who believe in the rule of law will prevail, and those who sought to abuse government will be reined in, if not brought fully to justice.
That belief was justified in the Watergate era, but many of us remember it as a close call. . .”
excellent. in fact, perfect, scarecrow.
allow me to offer everyone a book-mark
for the live video stream of tomorrow’s
9:30 a.m. e.d.t. house judiciary hearing
before reps sanchez and conyers — james
comey to testify — and updates on goodling,
and the violations of conyers’ subpoena
terms, all ably-described above by scarecorw. . .
Mae @ 19
and why would that be a bad thing?
the president has plenty of funding to last his agenda for months, this congress delivered the bill in break neck speed compared to the congress that preceeded it.
some critisism we should acknwoledge rather then defend, I think this is one of those
heyitsmom @ 18
Please stay here. Are you a teacher? And do you teach history/social science?
Congress is only now assembling the case, and it is being vigorously opposed by the White House in its efforts to learn the truth.
For those of us following on FDL, the implications of what has been learned so far are damning.
I suspect that inside the Beltway, there are some Republicans with honesty, respect for constitutional government, or concern that this precedent would work badly for them once Democrats have power, and they are appalled as well.
I suspect that one reason career employees in all federal branches are slow to come forward is that the very best ones already left, and the ones who could be bullied into submission by Bush et.al. don’t have the nerve to come forward.
That is why the Comey testimony could be helpful in solidifying this horrible narrative for the MSM (which seems to be unable or unwilling, Countdown aside) to understand or tell the story, other than as a story of Gonzales’ inept management skills.
The analogy that should help even a Kool Aid drinking Republican understand, per Josh at TPM, is “suppose James Carville was named as USA”.
Scarecrow @ 21
I think the point was that Gonzo IS a senate-confirmed appointee and said position can not assign away his core responsibilities to non-senate confirmeds.
Mae @ 20
Roberts is a sure thing for WH talking points; he really is clueless. Finegold was smart last week to challenge him directly, and Roberts had to change his story.
blueheron @ 29
that is my point, abu torture allowed others to initiate firings which he later claimed he knew nothing about
I guess if the American political and justice system is devolving into Russia redux (irony of it all aside), we can begin to empathize with the people/citizens who lived for decades under those dangerous and oppressive circumstances.
Sometimes I think that the only way to get the message out to the general American populace is to have rich Democrats/liberals do hostile buy-outs/takeovers of the major newspapers. Then put the Murray Waases of the profession on the front pages. Quixotic, I know.
OT. Interesting article on Rove’s Nixon roots.
http://campaigningforhistory.blogs.nytimes.com/
Gonzales secretly delegated to Kyle Sampson, in an order signed by Monica Goodling, the authority to hire and fire DoJ political appointees other than those requiring Senate confirmation. The orginal delegation, deemed too broad, was then revised to require at least the Attorney General’s pro forma approval, though little more.
I think this is inaccurate, to begin with because in March 2006, when the secret order was propagated, Goodling wasn’t yet in her position.
Also, I think this is mixing up the February 2006 publicly propagated order that provided the rubric under which the secret order was then made, on the one hand, and the draft of the secret order which was rejected by OLC because of constitutional concerns about the absence of the AG from the process, on the other.
Scarecrow: Last night Bush said something to the effect of “This war is not going to be decided by a bunch of politicians instead of the generals.” If Congress are a bunch of politicians (instead of lawmakers) then what is the president but a politician?
Also, why no news about Blairs last days? It’s all over the European press but none in the USA, as seen hyere at google news.
Attaturk,
if you missed it the other day, mad props for your Tweety interviews Mitt post – good god! had me chuckling all day
in case you missed it Firedogs
OldCoastie @ 24
Don’t tease me. I am caught without ground coffee. If I grind the beans I wake the kids. Aarrggh. No coffee yet!
ccmask @
16
I caught it and was nauseated. LIeberman selling “himself” — the largest party being the party for he, hisself.
As for Sampson: Can he be brought up on perjury charges and contempt of congress for failing to reveal the existence of this secret memo. He flat out lied when he described himself as an “aggregator.”
cbl @ 23
You’re right; it depends on where KO takes him. KO led off by asking “what does Gonzales actually do?” (since he delegates key functions). And they dallied on that distraction before getting to the implications. KO has covered the other angles before.
Perris @27 I agree that if was appropriate that the Dems waited a day or two to coincide with the anniversary of Mission Accomplished. The thing I object to is the talking point that the Dems dragged their feet for “weeks” to coincide with the anniversary. That is not true. It took weeks to craft the consensus. While it is true that there is plenty of money at least through June, one could make the argument that if the Dems had twidled their thumbs for weeks, that would have been irresponsible, because we know that it is going to take a while for the next step. Do you see what I mean?
Thank you Scarecrow – Thank you for the oft overlooked, or at least seldom given enough credit for being the “medium” of control over the minds and zealousness of these “Zampolits” the “fundies” or evangelical zombies -
I think this cannot be emphasized enough. This is the real danger of these Christian Madrassahs, such as Pat Robertson’s – controlling the minds of these young people from an early age which is that Jesus would have been a Republican.
It cannot be emphasized enough that these people actually believe this.
I have to agree with whoever said it above. Unless the Dems impeach, what’s going to happen with all this? The DOJ isn’t going to investigate itself as long as Gonzo’s in control, and he’s showing no signs of going away. So WTF? What’s next? If all of these crimes are never going to lead to impeachment, then what’s the point? To prove that Bush is guilty AND above the law?
John Roberts is a WH shill.
blueheron @ 30
Ah. Thanks. More coffee.
Mae @ 41
I do see what you mean and I agree…a week here and a week there do add up after all.
Scarecrow @ 17
It’s part of a bigger plot to infiltrate all aspects of the government, including the military and the police, with Christian soldiers — see:
* “America’s Holy Warriors” by Chris Hedges, Truthdig.com, 12/31/06:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/010207H.shtml
* “For God’s Sake” by Paul Krugman, The New York Times, 4/13/07:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/041307D.shtml
cbl @
37
Thanks. It was as if the man was spitting it out upon my keyboard himself.
I wiped it off, pronounced it icky, disgusting, and stupid and posted it up.
CBL @ 23
I think Prof. Turley’s reference to the Soviet Politburo more than infers that the “minions” were being placed to stack the deck and push forth Rove’s agenda of the Republican Majority. They completely underestimated the American populace. Just imagine if the 2006 elections were reversed. We are uncovering what the Standard Operating Procedures were when the GOP owned congress as well. I say keep the sunlight shining.
Don’t Trust Bushies!!!Good thing Hatch ain’t in charge anymore.
From the LA TImes:
Morning, dogs.
Well, isn’t this interesting. Murdoch offers $5 billion for Dow Jones
Puesto @
42
I have the same concern, but I’d like to see more information on who she recommended/helped before I push that further.
Wigwam — thanks; those were good articles. I remember the Krugman op ed.
GeorgeSimian @ 43
conyers was just saying, on msnbc, that he didn’t want gonzo to resign because he wanted to get answers from him.
AZ Matt @ 50
OH BABY….WAY TO GET ABU TORTURE FIRED FOR SURE!
the president wants to dig in as far as abu toture?
then he gets nothing he wants when abu torture is associated with the program…SWEET
that’s IT, give the morons what happens when they defy congress with DIRECT implications
man that whitehouse…I am liking him too much
very disturbing this morning, watching the local news, to see the LAPD shooting rubber bullets into the crowd and beating people with billy clubs…
lots of families with small children in that crowd.
The irony of Whitehouse v. Whitehouse never escapes me.
this is the moment that will define who you are.
Tragically, they are bushies: loyalty above all else.
Woodhall @ 39
I wondered the exact same question. Except there are two separate issues. The issue of the USA firings in which according to Sampson he was an aggregator. And the current issue of the memo granting Sampson and Goodling the ability to fire non-appointed staff. I believe he should be re-questioned about the newly revealed issue.
OldCoastie @ 55
And it is ironic that new evidence is surfacing about the Kent State massacre. Not exactly the same, but similar dynamic of carelessly suppressing dissent.
OldCoastie @ 55
link to video, which doesn’t even show the more depraved activity
kent state deja vu
Scarecrow @ top:
Possibly important correction:
The Waas article, and others, have pretty consistently characterized the delegated authority as the authority to hire and fire “non-civil service employees, including political appointees”.
To be honest, I’m not sure exactly what the distinction is. It could include interns, management, attorneys, or some combination of those three.
The point is that not just political appointees were affected. That’s important for two reasons, (a) it undercuts any WH/DoJ excuses that the affected employees are only those who ’serve at the President’s pleasure’, and (b) it apparently covers a much wider group of people.
It would be a good idea for us to find out who those other, non-political appointees, affected by this change would be.
In other words: It shows the WH trying to politicize non-political employees in the DoJ.
Christy, LHP, anyone with legal, DoJ, civil service experience that could add their knowledge and experience to this?
.
sofistic @ 56
lol, yeah
Beautifully put, Scarecrow. Thank you.
All the more chilling, because only too true.
Political party before country and the subservience of Republican “legislators” to political party orders (and bribes) from the Executive Branch in the name of power for corrupt power’s sake alone is what America’s federal government today has descended to. If corporations didn’t own and control the federal Republican Party, these power-hungry self-serving crooks, who violate their oaths of office with impunity to our faces, would be getting run out of town on a rail. But they’re tempting fate by trusting that the corporations will succeed in safeguarding and insulating them from the wrath of the people this time – a wrath that’s being forged into steadily-strengthening fury by the day.
Mae @ 59
I don’t know anything about this, can you enlighten?
Perris @ 60 you and I are on the same wave length. Kent State seems like yesterday to me.
perris @ 64
Kent State tape: ‘Get set! Point! Fire!‘
pow wow @ 63
they are using the fascist template for just about everything
if you compare “the patriot act” to “the enabling act” from hitler’s rise to power you will see an uncanny resemlance
I always said the patriot act was written too well and too well prepared, there was a template at hand to my mind and that template was the enabling act
check it out, there are web sites that are devoted to the uncanny resemblance of these two documents
Great piece.
Turley on Gonzales scandal “unimaginable damage to an institution that is based on independence and integrity”
Scarcrow, the moment has all ready been defined for the American people and our country. 650,ooo dead Iraqi people (and counting) who knows how many are injured, and 4 million Iraqi people displaced, define this moment in time. The whole world is watching and knows the truth about us.
The brutal truth is that the majority of Americans could care less about this tragedy and the Iraqi people that our dead, injured and displaced. The brutal truth is that what most Americans care about is keeping their pedals to the metal at a cheap price so that they can get to the mall and buy stuff.
Our country finds itself morally and spiritually bankrupt! The whole world knows it!
oh Mr. Scarecrow -
forgot to mention I am currently awaiting word from Austin American Statesman as to whether they will publish a ‘guest op ed’ I wrote yesterday – inspired by you
it calls out the Texas Congressional Delegation on their craven waiting game, their willingness to let untold number of Texans die or be maimed until ‘it’s cool’ to go against the Chimp in September – the Devil’s Arithmetic as far as this Texan is concerned
It’s a treat to be up early enough to read your post.
Current events have been reminding me of bad old Soviet times for several years now.
Puesto@ 42, I have in-laws who went to such schools all the way through college.
Your description is very apt.
JGabriel — yep — that may be important; I’ve revised the text. Thanks for the closer look.
cbl @ 23
My other quibble was that he kind of made a joke out of the firing of a USA to give Karl Rove’s deputy a job, glossing over the fact that it wasn’t just any job, but the best position to best undermine the Clintons with bogus investigations going into ‘08. But I understand there’s only so much they can get to in one segment.
perris @ 67
Naomi Wolf has commented here on the same insight.
cbl @
69
cbl — good luck with the publication. But you should thank FDL; it’s the Ladies of the Lake, I think, and they affect us all.
OldCoastie @ 55
Well, I guess it is good that they are at least showing it, as bad as it is. This morning I saw scenes from a helicopter of the crowds and the traffic….something they have never done with any kind of protests in the last 6 years. I wonder why they are filming this protest? They got an OK?
Great post. 2 questions:
Didn’t Congress retract that provision allowing AG’s to serve w/o Senate approval?
If so, hasn’t the time expired for Tim Griffin?
Mae @
20
That’s bullshit. Bush could have easily waited a day or two to veto the bill had he wanted. The true talking point is that Bush vetoed it on Mission Accomplished Day, just so he could have the talking point.
Purgegate: More Bush/Rove Soviet Style Thuggery
.
Bush/Rove/Cheney/Gonzalez Commissariat
Political appointees oversee science (FDA & global warming) in this administration.
Political appointees botch, bungle and butcher Iraq reconstruction and Katrina relief.
Political appointees are sent into the CIA executive suite for a political cleansing mission.
Political appointees set up a propaganda office in the DOD to deliberately and maliciously mislead the nation into war while refusing to plan for known obstacles ultimately leading to thousand of troop’ deaths and injuries.
The hue and cry over Purgegate is that the Justice Department has traditionally been significantly and honorably immune to rank political interference. Not under our presently governing thugs.
Despoiling democracy and honor while emulating a Soviet/Communist Commissariat model government is the operational and ethical basis of Gonzalez and his handlers.
Good news. If politicizing the Justice Department finally brings out the backbones of our legislators, Republican and Democratic alike, shout hosannas. Citizens of the entire planet sincerely want the America that strives for honor, honesty and equal treatment under the law to reappear.
Labels: Bush, Cheney, commissariat, communism, gonzales, Published Letters, Purgegate, soviet
# posted by cognitorex @ 3/25/2007 also carried by Kikoshouse blog
more monkey business – seems a judge complained about Mercer being absent from the district, so a new law was slipped into the Patriot Act – from the Wapoo via Muckracker:
(rolling eyes)
amen!
Scarecrow -
Perhaps it would be a good idea to delve further into this concept:
Subversion (politics)
Let’s look at Wikipedia for a minute:
Do efforts to politicize the Department of Justice constitute subversion? If so, what federal statutes, if any, have been violated? What other manifestations of subversion do you see?
ccmask @ 75
bunch o’ news cameramen and/or reporters got shot last night… I have a feeling the spin on this one is not going to be so good.
Scarecrow @ top:
“… Waas revealed that Gonzales secretly delegated to Kyle Sampson, in an order signed by Monica Goodling, the authority to hire and fire DoJ political appointees other than those requiring Senate confirmation.”
But with the language snuck into the revised Patriot Act, obviating the need for Senate approval, doesn’t that mean that they could in fact fire *anyone* they so chose? (with the caveat that they needed Abu’s autograph on such an order)
And Sampson’s saying he was just an “aggregator” would ring true if the decisions were actually being first conveyed by Goodling to, and then okayed, by the White House, wouldn’ it?
I am missing something.
When people resign, then Congress can’t have them in for questioning? I don’t understand why resignation protects them in any way from responding to Congress.
JGabriel @ 77
I also thought the reported killing of the Iraq al Qaeda leader was timed to steal the headlines from “Mission Accomplished.” In the WH press office, Terrorists trump Iraq.
Something I ran across while looking for the definition of “non-career employees”:
Restrictions on Political Activities (non-career employees) (August 8, 2000)
Ah, the good old days…
Anyone know the answer to the question @ 76?
And BTW, I don’t like John Roberts either. He does seem like a propagandist and not nearly as smart as Miles.
Scarecrow @ 85 At first glance, far fetched point. At second glance, I am sure that you are correct.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 81
The term certainly fits. My hope is that “subversion of the Constitution” etc will appear often in articles of impeachment. I’d like to see attention on the meaning of “high crimes and misdemeanors.” Everyday we see more evidence that the founders understood the need for a broad remedy to what’s going on in this Administration.
While it seems as if these hearings and Congressional investigations are taking forever and playing out the clock until 2008…I think that things are just getting started. I also think that the momentum will start speeding up.
Pure speculation on my part but I believe the Dem Congressionals are methodically developing a broad but firm foundation for a court case and who knows what else…I believe, however, that popcorn futures will be a safe investment.
From WaPo:LINK
Scarecrow -
Quoting from your post -
So was a religious test required of those alumni as a qualification for office, in apparent contravention of Article VI of the Constitution?
Excellent writing Scarecrow.
How come Sampson didn’t mention that he was given the authority to hire and fire in his testimony to congress?
Solai @ 87
Yes, Congress repealed that provision. However, it likely applies only to future vacancies. Not sure about the latter, but that’s the way most legislation like this would be written.
So, did Sampson lie in his testimony? Is withholding information illegal? Can’t we have him arrested and brought to stand trial for obstruction of justice and perjury?
I would much prefer to get the REAL info but threatening people with jail might work. It will be another talking point for the Republicans like “All they got Scooter LIbby on was lying” and not that he had perhaps outed a CIA agent.
Scarecrow @ 71
You’re welcome. Glad to be of help.
I have been asking people to contact Bill Moyers and ask him to do a present time investigative report about the “cakewalk in Iraq” zealots endlessly repeated and unsubstantiated claims having to do with Iran’s “alleged” nuclear weapons program. These endlessly repeated and unsubstantiated claims have gone basically unchallenged by the MSM for the last 4 years. (I know folks do not like to hear this, but Chris Matthews has been asking the most hard driving questions when these claims are repeated on his program). I did hear NPR’s Alex Chadwick challenge Bolton during an interview on “Day to Day”
Now I am begging people to call or contact Bill Moyers and ask him to investigate the MSM and what they have been allowing these wingnuts to repeat about Iran for the last four years.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour…..dback.html
The latest example of the MSM not challenging the “Bomb Bomb Iran” crazies was NPR’s Neil Conans complicit interview of John Bolton Tuesday May 1. Please Please listen!
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?
storyId=9942906
If you agree that Neil Conan allowed John Bolton to repeat unsubstantiated claims about Iran. If you agree that Neil Conan did not challenge these claims and was complicit. Please contact NPR’s Talk of the Nation
http://www.npr.org/contact/
Please contact NPR’s ombudsperson and let them know that Neil Conan allowed John Bolton to repeat unsubstantiated claims about Iran over and over and over again during this interview. That Neil Conan did not challenge him once not once!
http://www.npr.org/templates/c…..Id=2781901
If someone with some journalistic integrity such as Moyers does not do a report about why 70% of Americans now believe that Iran posesses nuclear weapons. Moyers will be doing another report in two years about the run-up to pre-emptive strikes on Iran.
HINDSIGHT CAN BE DEADLY!
AZ Matt @ 91
Republic rewrite: …government of the Decider, by the Decider, and for the Decider…
jayt @ 83
Don’t you find it interesting that 28 USC 541 wasn’t modified or repealed by that Patriot Act provision you mentioned?
OldCoastie @
24
m-m-m-m! Thanks!
Morning everyone. Golly it’s nice to be back ;->
Great post, Scarecrow. Wit the dawgs baying like this, the current sorry excuse for an administration can either be honest or go down in history as the worst ever…. or, both.
Sic ‘em!
Peterr
Mornin’ Rev,
just got back from Feinstein’s site – and all it said was she was proposing repeal (3/19)- didn’t see they had already voted – linky ?
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 92
We have no direct evidence, as far as I know. But if Monica was in that role, it would have been natural for her to look favorably on kindred spiritualists. As I said earlier, I don’t want to push this further than what we know, and there’s a lot we don’t know yet.
cathy @ 93
His ommission may not have been a perjury on a technical level (I would love for a lawyer or 2 to look at it) but it does seem like he didn’t cooperate with the committee. Is that contempt?
At the very least, he should be hauled back up for a public hearing and made to describe his job description, his duties, and his actions, in light of this memo.
And another thing I would like to know: Why does Monica Goodling get to be the one who signs such an order? (as in, why doesn’t the AG sign it?). I mean, who the hell is she, anyway?
Peterr,
So Griffin gets to stay with no Senate approval?
OT Chimp about to speak at “Contractor’s Conference.” Will keep you posted re: slurring and/or hangover behavior.
Solai @ 76
I’d expect Bush to veto that.
cbl—
Re potential letter to the editor of the Austin paper, you go gal! Fingers crossed here.
Don’t you find it interesting that 28 USC 541 wasn’t modified or repealed by that Patriot Act provision you mentioned?
actually, I think it *was* modified by the Patriot Act provision, just without specific reference.
Mae @ 20
I was struck by the “report” on religious freedom in other countries: apparently we send people to other countries to talk to their Christians and report horror stories on how persecuted they are. The report sounded totally anecdotal, and the reporter, whose name I didn’t get, didn’t even explain why we would do such a thing.
Okay, there’s a good definition of “non-career staff” here (PDF). (”Non-career” and “non-civil service” seem to be used interchangeably in news articles about the Gonzales memo.)
Essentially, non-career/non-civil service employees are all senior management that they could fire without running afoul of civil service protections.
Everyone.
Compare to:
Praise and Appreciation for Knight Ridders Jonathon Landay and Warren Strobel and the treasure Bill Moyers!
Please Mr. Moyers do an investigative report on the inflammatory rhetoric that has been repeated about Iran’s “alleged” nuclear weapons program. This unsubstantiated and inflammatory rhetoric has gone basically unchallenged the last four years. Deja Vu!
Thank You Murray Waas!
Thank You FDL!
Joe Lieberman is at the conference with Chimp. Chimp is singing the praises of Joe
Solai @
76
A) Yes. B) No.
The retraction of the Patriot Act ‘Get Around Senate Confirmation of US Attorneys’ provision wouldn’t be retroactive. There’s a constitutional clause prohibiting the enacting of retroactive or post facto laws.
“But why did they wait this long?”
Brainwashed ideologues do not easily surrender their pernicious prejudices. They believed Swami Karl’s impractical prognostications, so they are obviously shell-shocked from the results of the last election, (like so many of us were, when Bush “won” in 2000.) Many of them still don’t actually realize or won’t accept what happened in November.
“SPEAKER PELOSI,” their worst fear, has come true.
Those we see now coming forward with a dazed perspective of “The Truth” as they awaken, are just the brightest bulbs in the box, most of the dimmer ones (about 27%) still hold on desperately to “The Lie.’ but they will eventually have to recognize they are swimming against a tsunami-like current.
But they will not easily or readily give up their misguided loyalties, because it frist would require them to admit they were “wrong” and that is nearly impossible for many of “them.”
It is so hard to accept fault in your icons when you are incapable of admitting it in yourself. Thus the “slow bleed” of Truth trickles down, one lie at a time.
More irony: George Bush at a press moment with the Colombian leader this morning, touting leaders who make tough decisions for democracy and the rule of law….
Self-delusion projecting much?
Everything a Bushie says is contra-truth.
mayan @ 90
I’m with you on that, mayan.
Seems to me, the steady drip, drip, drip of revelations from the hearings is slowly but surely destroying the repub. party. If they haven’t figured that out yet, they will eventually, come election day. There are no talking points they could possibly conjure up that would counter the steady erosion of confidence and trust.
If some repubs. finally figure this out, I expect to see more of them coming forth & distancing themselves from the execu-mayhem machine.
oh… ahem… surely you can tell. i’m not a pro at this stuff… prolly just spoutin’ nonsense, heh. ;->
cbl @ 101
Solai @ 104
Here’s a link, from NPR.
Mae @ 112
Where are you getting coverage? Or are you at the conference?
twolf1 @ 118
Coverage is on CNN pipeline (subscription required)
Mae @ 105
Thanks, oh noble one! Watching the train wreck so we don’t have to. Will look fwd to yer report.
Kathleen @ 111
Yes, Moyer’s essay was great; I have to confess I had never heard of the two Knight Ridder reporters — they should be as well known as Woodward and Bernstein.
Mae @ 119
Thanks. It’s not on any of the M$M channels (including FOX) or any of the CSPANs.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 81
I think what it going on is properly characterized as “infiltration.” At 47 I cited some good articles about the larger effort.
Solai @ 104
My understanding was that the revision to the law to fix the evil USAtty loophole set a time limit on interim appointments. Since the purpose of interim appointments is to fill the job until a permanent replacement is found, they couldn’t really have it backdated to when those like Griffin were appointed, because even if the Bushies were previously acting in bad faith in not seeking a permanent replacement, it still takes time to appoint one now. So Griffin’s not out yet, but the clock is ticking.
So, US attorneys “serve at the pleasure” of Kyle Sampson and Monica Goodling, (fresh out of Regents Law school)?
“No crime was committed.” Perhaps. But could one find a better way to destroy the country’s law enforcement agency than to turn it over to enablers driven by a purely political agenda?
To be honest they should have changed the name of the agency to the Republican Department of Justice.
For shame.
Anyone still wonder why she chose to take the fifth?
Wigwam @ 106
It passed both houses with veto-proof majorities.
JGabriel @ 113
JGabriel – I disagree. The prohibition against ex-post-facto laws applies in the criminal sphere only, I think (I don’t pretend to be a constitutional scholar). Laws cannot be passed to criminalize behavior which was legal when committed. Non-criminal legislation, however, can, and often is, passed in such a way as to make the application retroactive.
That being said, I have no idea whether the recent repeal of the offensive provision of the revised Patriot Act was or was not made retroactive. Evidently not, since Mr. Griffin is, in fact, still in place.
Hope I don’t break the zigs.
Chimp talking about his strategy is a “new strategy” Poll last fall said the nation did not approve of old strategy. “If they had polled me, I would have said I didn’t like it either.” Chimp laughs. Audience laughs. I’m glad that Chimp and the contractors think this is funny.
twolf1 @ 122
if a chimp slurs & burps in a cave where no one can hear, is it real or imagined?
Mae @ 105
Yes please. It’s understood that ‘batshit nuts’ and ‘deranged’ were a given.
JEP @ 114
Oh, but he wouldn’t, he couldn’t!
Tnx for the marvy typo, I couldn’t resist bolding & playing wiv it! :)
Scarecrow @ 121
I got turned on to Knight Ridder’s Washington Bureau several years ago by one of the blogs (Kevin Drum, maybe?) and it’s a godsend. It’s part of my first-thing-in-the-morning reading now:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/
Redshift @ 110
Wow. I suspected it was something like that. Thanks for doing the research, Redshift.
So. This tells us that the WH intended to politicize the non-political senior management as well as the political appointees at DoJ. No doubt they’ve been taking similiar actions at other agencies as well.
I sure hope someone from Waxman’s and Leahy’s staffs are reading this thread. Or that Christy or one of the other front page posters expands on it.
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Christy is on her way to NY to be a star, but the incomparable emptywheel has a new thread for you.
Thank you everyone.
Redshift at 132.
Thanks! I’ve been going nuts for quite awhile, trying to rely on FDL & Huff. for news. Site looks like just what I need. MSM is mostly useless ;->
Chimp: Progress not flashy. Not headline grabbing like bombing. But progress is taking place.
Shez you are 100% correct: It’s understood that ‘batshit nuts’ and ‘deranged’ were a given.
So far, no slurring or hangover behavior, but everything Chimp says is “batship nuts” and “deranged.”
From Infoplease: “The right to impeach public officials is secured by the U.S. Constitution in Article I, Sections 2 and 3, which discuss the procedure, and in Article II, Section 4, which indicates the grounds for impeachment: “the President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.”
If the subversion of the Justice Department for the purpose of installing and promoting party loyalists is not a misdemeanor (at the very least), what would qualify? Do we *have* to get AGAG with a smoking gun? Isn’t a broken Justice Department smoking enough? That is, isn’t the result of the action proof enough of the seriousness of the infraction that would merit a charge of “high crime and misdemeanor”? (Especially when the result is preceded by a large quantity of circumstantial evidence indicating intentional deception and misrepresentation.) IANAL so I have no idea what qualifies but are we at least getting close or, if I am reading this correctly, no specific piece of incriminating evidence is required for articles of impeachment?
jayt @ 127
Ha. I had actually thought of adding a paragraph stating that I wasn’t sure the prohibition applied in this instance, but that Congress usually avoids creating the appearance of a post-facto law anyway, for good reasons.
So, yes, you might be right. You caught me taking a short-cut. Mea culpa.
scarecrow … is Christy going to be on TV?
kathleen,
finally watched it yesterday – and got a big lump in my throat over this guy -
JasonRobardsJohn Walcott – their Editor and Bureau Chief – we owe him big thanksgood to see he was picked up by McClatchy and not toiling away in academe
E-mail John at jwalcott@mcclatchydc.com
Smgumby @
38
That’s why I do everything but turn on the pot the night before. Even without kids, all I gots to do is push a button.
Thanks Scarecrow- well written post I could frame.
Good comments also.
perris @11: thanks
The Rove era is/was a godsend to zampolits….
Here is Bill Moyers link for his blog. Please ask him to do a show on the MSM’s complicity in allowing unsubstantiated claims to be repeated about Iran.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour….._blog.html
Scarecrow @ 40
Turley did say that the Gonzales scandal has done “unimaginable damage to an institution that is based on independence and integrity”
OldCoastie @ 24
virtual coffee…$4.oo @ Starbucks
Scarecrow @ 134
This post of EW’s is well worth reviewing for tomorrow’s testimony of Comey.
Beautifully put. Congratulations.
In my own version, I was struck by the two pronged effort in March 2006 – the AG’s Memo and the change added to the Patriot Act in the same week! It was an orchestrated coup that’s spelled R O V E. The analogy to the Soviets is perfect.
Keep these posts coming…
Talibangelical Bushist fascists are the New Commies, infiltrating our government, trying to subvert democracy, destroying America from within.
And doing a pretty good job of it. So far.
Mae @ 20
The few times I’ve seen John Roberts lately — he has been a total Republic robot — spouting their soundbites. One day he asked the most snide and sarcastic question of a Democtratic leader and proceeded to smirk and laugh all the way through his answer — it was dispicable and outrageous. He seems to relish in his unabashed biased news-style. I can’t even watch him — they should ship him to Faux News immeidately.
Scarecrow –
You might want to look at this: 18 USC 2386
Scarecrow! A concise and fantastic post! I still have hope. The parallel with the Soviet Union is no accident and very alarming. Isn’t the Strauss theory based on Trotsky?
JGabriel @ 61
Non-civil service employees are usually contractors, their positions rarely last more than a year.
Interns fall under a special category of civil service as they may later get a position with the Federal government, and the time they accrued as an “intern” counts toward their retirement.
Management is usually civil service, but their salaries fall under the Senior Executive Service, rather than the General Schedule for the rank-and-file Federal employees. (Note all Federal employees are “appointed” rather than “hired.”)
There are other pay systems for certain classes of employees (firefighers, law enforcement, postal, and medical come readily to mind). There are also some experimental pay systems, i.e. pay banding.
Delegating hiring/firing authority to an underling is not good news. Makes me wonder where else this is happening…
egregious @ 84
To the best of my knowledge, they are still required to testify. (Didn’t Sampson resign before his hearing?)
This will be EPU’d but I have to say it here:
FABULOUS POST!
“We now understand that the entire rule of law at the federal level rests to a surprising extent on trust — a faith that no matter what else happens in Washington, there will be enough integrity and political courage residing in the career professionals at the Department of Justice to demand that the laws be faithfully executed.”
this is incorrect. The entire system depends on an independent and agressive 4th estate keeping all of the politicos substantially in check and under the microscope. That US corporate media has across the board become the propaganda arm of the cult of republicanism is why the system has failed.
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What you have described is what I wrote on Glenn Greewald’s blog some time ago, to wit, that the Republicans have operated like a Fifth Column, and old Communist technique, of placing opeartives in key positions in the media, public office, higher education, and, in this country (in my hometown) on local school advisory committees, in order to shape policy to their benefit. Using this technique of infiltration, along with placement of operatives in the elections boards of counties and state in order to ensure election of sympathetic Congressmen, and other officials, and combining all this with ability to spy on citizens is all you need as evidence of the similarity with the Soviets.
Scarecrow, another great post. Along these lines, read Naomi Wolf in The Guardian:
here
Purposeful maladministration at the DOJ is just the tip of the iceberg. It goes on throughout the federal government, from Interior and the GSA to the FDA and Consumer Products Safety Commission.
No operation is too large too small to derail if doing so yields a patronage job or contribution from a corporate sponsor whose federal watch dog has just been muzzled.
Mommybrain @
159
Saw Wolf’s piece last week; scary.
pluege at 157: we agree. Both are important.
Thanks for the great comments this morning, gang; obviously more to follow on this topic.
OldCoastie @ 55
WTF! What are you talking about? Was this an immgration demonstration?
The U.S. people should begin thinking about deportation and exile of those prominent Republican Party members not convicted and imprisoned for their traitorous actions. Republicans are a greater threat to American democracy than any terrorist.
”A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.
An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the
traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys,
heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in
accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the
baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and
unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can
no longer resist. A murder[er] is less to fear.” Marcus Cicero