National Journal's Murray Waas got his hands on an intriguing DoJ document, and he has an article that opens up a whole lot of questions that I would love to see answered.
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales signed a highly confidential order in March 2006 delegating to two of his top aides — who have since resigned because of their central roles in the firings of eight U.S. attorneys — extraordinary authority over the hiring and firing of most non-civil-service employees of the Justice Department. A copy of the order and other Justice Department records related to the conception and implementation of the order were provided to National Journal.
In the order, Gonzales delegated to his then-chief of staff, D. Kyle Sampson, and his White House liaison "the authority, with the approval of the Attorney General, to take final action in matters pertaining to the appointment, employment, pay, separation, and general administration" of virtually all non-civil-service employees of the Justice Department, including all of the department's political appointees who do not require Senate confirmation. Monica Goodling became White House liaison in April 2006, the month after Gonzales signed the order.
The existence of the order suggests that a broad effort was under way by the White House to place politically and ideologically loyal appointees throughout the Justice Department, not just at the U.S.-attorney level. Department records show that the personnel authority was delegated to the two aides at about the same time they were working with the White House in planning the firings of a dozen U.S. attorneys, eight of whom were, in fact, later dismissed.
A senior executive branch official familiar with the delegation of authority said in an interview that — as was the case with the firings of the U.S. attorneys and the selection of their replacements — the two aides intended to work closely with White House political aides and the White House counsel's office in deciding which senior Justice Department officials to dismiss and whom to appoint to their posts. "It was an attempt to make the department more responsive to the political side of the White House and to do it in such a way that people would not know it was going on," the official said.
So, the head of the Department of Justice signed decision-making power for some very important personnel decisions over to two junior political operative minions at the DoJ, who just happened to be working closely with folks at Rove's White House political shop. Good to know. And also good to know that USAttys serve at the pleasure of the President pleasure of political minions who report directly to folks at Rove's White House political shop.
The Muck has more on this, including the catch that senior DoJ officials were cut out of the decision-making loop entirely by the AG's confidential order. And Digby asks if this was such a standard practice, as some in the Bush Administration has claimed, why issue a confidential order to establish it? I would ask further, if there is nothing to see here, why wasn't this document and other supporting material turned over to Congress in the last three docudumps? If there is nothing to hide, why are they trying to hide it? ThinkProgress says that Sen. Leahy is not pleased.
What was the impetus for all of this in the first place? Well, you do the math. Is it me, or was Rove keeping AG Gonzales on an awfully tight leash?
Happy Law Day, gang. (H/T to Sonoma Rus.) Isn't it time that the Bush Administration started actually recognizing the rule of law instead of the Rule of Karl?
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Morning, Christy!
fitzzzzzzzzzzzzzzed!
zed!
I don’t recall.
oh well.
badabing
To the best of my knowledge…
Zed ?
I remember that I used to remember making the decision, but I don’t remember making the decision. I have searched my memory, and there was nothing improper.
I think we should attack this from another angle;
the president can’t hire an attorney general without congress approval yet if the attorney general is approved by congress then HE can transfer his power?
that is an end run around house approval and in mind it cannot possibly stand in law
So, when the next president has to increase revenue to cover the deficit, I want it to be called the:
Bush Drunken Sailor Legacy Tax Increase
Also, on a more on-topic note:
OK, so the issues with Regent grads having trouble passing boards exams got me thinking about the Federalist Society and other nefarious influences on justice in this country.
I wonder whether there is any movement underway by the “strict constitutional destructionists” or whatever they are to get the boards exams changed to incorporate their philosophical or doctrinal proclivities. This could be dangerous in that it would require real law schools to adapt their curricula to emphasize areas and interpretations of the law that these so-called conservatives favor.
IANAL, so I don’t know anything about influence and decision-making in the state boards, but I think it would be interesting to hear any experiences about this, or whether there is anything operating below the radar that is an attempt to shift the country’s legal and judicial philosophy from angles other than those relating to judicial appointments, foundation nepotism, and other government/Big Law applicant screening.
I have to say, the further along we go with the Bush Administration, the more I think that Spinal Tap applies. Hope everyone enjoys the blast from the past video. *g*
Christy, Has the ABA weighed in on this Gonzales debacle?
Jay at 13 — Not certain. I haven’t seen it if they have — but I haven’t had time to look the last coupla days, either.
To the best of my knowledge, Gonzo was never asked–and therefore has never answered–this question: Was Bush ever aware of the firings? (if USAs “serve at the pleasure of the President,” shouldn’t he at least be aware that these USA were being fired?)
the DOJ is now, in all practical cosiderations, part of “The Borg Collective”
Where does it say the President or the AG or anyone else can change the job description of the Attorney General or any other elected official or appointee at will? Basically, the AG is no longer in control of or performing the job for which he was appointed, so he is in effect, unemployed, because his job as we knew it, no longer exists. Same goes for Bush’s job if you ask me – he’s even trying to outsource commander-in-chief to a war czar.
Throw the bums out.
Very frightening but do you mean Bork?
Ok, I’m pretty sure that Kyle “lil Karl” Sampson was adamant with Sen. Leahy and pals that he didn’t DECIDE anything, he just “aggregated” things.
Is that record still open so he can revise his bullshit story?
I don’t know where the link is but last night someone linked to the whitehouse website and sure enough, the mission accomplished sign is gone from the archive video. It seems they zoomed it in to make the banner disappear. Histoery rewrites itelf in Bushworld.
Did you see it Christy? Amazing….
Biodun @ 15
Why should he be? Bush delegated all of his duties to Cheney, Rove, Miers, etc. He needed time to ride his bike and plan his next brush crop.
Cspan2: President Bush Speaks live
And with Sampson/Goodling gone, with whom does the hiring/firing power lie?
If you have committed crimes… how do you get away with it….
1. take care of the witnesses
2. pervert the justice system…….
- FBI that will NOT investigate
- DOJ that will NOT prosecute
- Courts that will not hear cases… “Friendly Courts”
So if this is going on in the DOJ….. you can bet the farm that they are doing the same in each and every government agency.
Biodun @ 15
I believe Gonzo made a brief reference to consulation(s) with Bush on letting at least one US Attorney go, but no blanket statement that Bush authorized the firings. IMO, Presidential authority was required unless a written delegation of authority exists from POTUS to AG.
lolo @ 22
Thanks for the warning loohoo
mayan @ 23
KKKarl Rove, as it has always been..
Cheney: This war goes up to 11.
Christy, you rule!
RonD @ 9
But I stand by my decision.
As we know that Comey will testify on Thursday, are various DOJ’s officials who have already testified scurrying to Judiciary Comm staff to correct any previous false statements? Inquiring mind wants to know.
What scandals DON’T we know about yet?
katymine @ 24
right. that’s why impeachment is the only course. impeachment is the proper remedy to remove “all civil officers.” impeachment cannot be appealed. Congress does not need the DOJ to enforce anything; it has its own law enforcement powers.
Loo Hoo @ 31
It’s been about 24 hours, should be one in the pipeline any minute :}
Bush-deoctored wh video……here
Someone said I did so I must remember even though I don’t remember remembering what I forgot…
#35,
To the best of my recollection.
Christy, Christy, Christy —- Where do you get the idea that laws apply to THEM?
LS @ 33
Friday, 5:00, be there.
Texas Betsy @ 37
Laws only apply to Democrats
Elizabeth Holtzman has right idea, but stops short. It is not the confirmation hearings they are worried about, but it is the need to keep Gonzo in place to rule the Justice Dept and deflect investigations and appoint people to fix an investigation, corrupt a case, ensure a favorable outcome in a case already at trial, or to throw out charges once a case has been filed or to mitigate a sentence or to choose a judge etc, etc, etc…
They need him no matter what….and the more investigations by Waxman and Leahy, the more they need him. Gonzo should be impeached ASAP. What good are investigations if no one to follow up on the criminality.
Why doctor the video, other than sheer embarrassment?
Orwell: “He who controls the present controls the past. Who controls the past controls the future.”
More or less.
Alice B @ 40
Yes, yes, yes. If he resigns, then the investigation stops. Impeachment NOW.
Christy Hardin Smith @
12
No, didn’t mind the video at all, quite good yes,um, more like it soon?
Um, I think I need to get back to work now……..
Loo Hoo @ 31
EW has this that she is working on.
We’ve been talking a lot about the role of the Native American Issues Subcommittee (NAIS) to the USA Purge here. If you haven’t already, go read through that post for background–and pay particular attention to mbw’s comments, as she is the blogosphere’s resident expert on how BushCo has attempted to cheat Native American tribes (again).
Jay @
18
Bjork.
Perhaps the WH thinking is if the scandals just keep coming there won’t be time to impeach – information overload.
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c….._nais.html
Sorry here is the linky. Still early for me.
Gnome de Plume @ 46
Now there’s a strategy for the ages.
When are they going to learn that taking out the trash on Friday is no longer working? That’s precisely when a lot of bloggers with ordinary 9-5 workweeks have time to crunch on the screwup du jour. The end result is those things the Evil Empire doesn’t want the media to report on have been dissected all over the blogosphere by Monday morning, ready to be repackaged and reported on by conventional media.
Balrog @ 45
I think he Anglisized it to Bork. Doesn’t want to sound too ferrin’
LBrowne @ 49
They are not capable of thinking about that sort of thing. There is no parallel in their world.
Redd, just to clarify, the final delegations memo only gave Sampson and Delilah (oops, I mean Monica) the authority to make recommendations to Gonzales, who would then make the final decision. And the memo only applied to Schedule C appointments (ones that did not require Senate confirmation, which I guess would include “interim” U.S. Attorneys under the revised, middle-of-the-night Patriot Act language). The memo does not apply to firings of U.S. Attorneys. To date, I have not seen anything in writing that delegates the President’s authority to remove U.S. Attorneys (this ain’t it).
LS @ 17
They cannot. This is all controlled by statute. I’m gonna work up a proper post on this, but the “Reader’s Digest” version of that post = they just make shit up!
Christy, is that too scatalogiacl a title for the post? *g)
Loo Hoo @
31
Ding! Ding! Ding!
That’s the question!
If you’re disgusted by the sausage making that you can see, we can only imagine the stuff going on in Darth’s secret hide-a-way.
Re: AGAGandothers testimony;
On the bright side, it makes for much easier live blogging.
I dunno.
I dunno.
I dunno.
I dunno.
Of course I would prefer some Truth, for a change, even if it means transcribing faster.
There’s a BJ in Bjork.
katymine @ 24
YEP
Isn’t dereliction of duty at the cabinet level an impeachable offense??
We could start a trend…
If there is no time to impeach that doesn’t mean
they can’t be tried in a court of law and sent to the big house.
We should never let this rest.
looseheadprop @ 53
Sounds like it will be a good one!!!
in the face of such overwhelming evidence, is this a good time to reaffirm a sense of calm certainty that the wheels of justice (in this case, in the form of Congressional oversight) will ultimately succeed in prying Abu’s grip from the the lecturn he’s desperately clutching?
Olmert refuses to quit, and Wolfowitz refuses to quit, Venezuela will quit IMF, and CEO of BP quits and There was a standing ovation as Blair says: ‘I’m quitting next week’
leinie @ 19
I think this was true. He rec’d the list from Monica who rec’d it from Rove.
this sounds like a good way to celebrate rule of law day:
my bold.
and my take on this delegations memo is that Kyle and Monica were carrying water for the White House. I know, I know, it is probably obvious to everyone. But this memo enshrines it. There was really no reason to delegate it to these two if Gonzales did his job. This makes it clear that the White House did not see this as Gonzales’ job.
Link to Blair quitting
here.
Jay @ 50
Scary howsoever you spell it.
(please birds, no more nesting quotes on this comment -mod)
Solai @ 62
Perha;ps it is because I am not a lawyer, but I have never aggregated anything in my life!
Alice B @ 40
Yes, I have no doubt that Abu can effectively lead the country into the crapper.
Let’s celebrate Law Day by sending him the pink slip postcard:
You’re Fired!
Happy Law Day from a Lawful US Citizen.
found this while googling for ABA statements – patriot Patrick Leahy has had his doubts about them forevah!
Leahy link
Texas Betsy @
42
Not necessarily. Given the depth of corruption already brought to light and the bulldog nature of Waxman, Leahy, Schumer, conyers et al the investigations will continue into the next administration if for no other reason than to make sure the stakes are firmly through the hearts of these vampires.
looseheadprop @ 53
oh my yes, please do.
LHP 59,
PS. Maybe there’s a statute that says implicitly that you can’t replace a specific position with an invented one; like say, you can’t replace the president with a dictator; or the AG with an orthopedic surgeon.
Too bad we cannot use their own methods against them. No habeas corpus for Bush. But, of course, we aren’t those kind of people.
Mary McCurnin @ 58
Mary (may I call you Mary?), we dont have time for that, we dont have a way to get DOJ to do what Congress wants (they can tie this up in the courts for years), and the SCOTUS is stacked against us.
Cheney says “I’LL Habeus yer Corpus”.
TiredFed @
25
Does 28 USC 541 permit delegation of Presidential authority to dismiss United States Attorneys? If not, what other federal statutes, regulations, and/or executive orders apply?
Rupert Murdoch has made offer to by Dow Jones. Oh great….
Mary McCurnin @ 73
Who needs habeus corpus for Bush, Cheney and Rove..just drop them off on the streets of Baghdad.
Mary McCurnin @ 73
i want them all to have fair trials.
LS @ 77
buy
Just over twenty months of clusterfuckin left!!!
And on a lighter note – as they used ta say in Texas:
“Hooray, hooray, it’s the first of May- outside fuckin starts today!!”
LONDON: Survivors of the London suicide bombings in 2005 led new calls Tuesday for an independent inquiry into the blasts after it was revealed intelligence agents were tipped off about an imminent attack but failed to act.
Links between two of the subway attackers and a group planning a spree of bombings across southern England emerged Monday, after five of the bomb gang were jailed for life. The ties between the men had been kept secret to ensure a fair trial.
The fit has hit the shan….
rwcole @ 81
Another reason to hate Texas..
somewhere within Article 1 (?) – Speaker/Congress have the power to “decertify” DOJ – anyone ?
Rupert wants to breed the Wall Street Journal with Fox News- so what does THAT give ya?
I’ve come to the conclusion that BushCo hires incompetents on purpose. They look for weak-minded people whom they can then manipulate.
Someone of stature and experience would be much harder to control.
Unless, of course, it’s someone like Kerik who can be blackmailed.
It is worth a reminder that using someone else’s name (such as some public figure’s name) as a nickname is something that we frown on. All joking aside, impersonating someone else is uncool. And it can get you banned if you are doing it with the intent to deceive. Just FYI.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 76
Hmm…remember in Plamegate, POTUS gave Cheney some authority in declassifying some stuff? Sorry to be so foggy, but some kind of hall pass to do what Presidents are supposed to do themselves? What if Abu’s little meeting was in the same vein? Would there be a document?
It seems to me there would absolutely have to be WRITTEN PERMISSION from POTUS to Abu in order to then create Abu’s confidential document that delegates to Goodling and Sampson. Is this making sense?
(no more nesting this comment please -mod)
Huh? Source or cite? I never heard that one, but then I have lived a very sheltered life, under a bridge. Oh wait, trolls live there, I live in a garden.
Stephen Parrish, CPA says
May 1st, 2007 at 10:24 am
TiredFed @
25
Biodun @ 15
To the best of my knowledge, Gonzo was never asked–and therefore has never answered–this question: Was Bush ever aware of the firings? (if USAs “serve at the pleasure of the President,” shouldn’t he at least be aware that these USA were being fired?)
I believe Gonzo made a brief reference to consulation(s) with Bush on letting at least one US Attorney go, but no blanket statement that Bush authorized the firings. IMO, Presidential authority was required unless a written delegation of authority exists from POTUS to AG.
Does 28 USC 541 permit delegation of Presidential authority to dismiss United States Attorneys? If not, what other federal statutes, regulations, and/or executive orders apply?
28 USC Chapter 35 section 541:
(a) The President shall appoint, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, a United States attorney for each judicial district.
(b) Each United States attorney shall be appointed for a term of four years. On the expiration of his term, a United States attorney shall continue to perform the duties of his office until his successor is appointed and qualifies.
(c) Each United States attorney is subject to removal by the President.
My bold. Only way AG can order these firings is if he has written delegation from the President. Still havent seen such a memo. Of course, I’m old school (before the days of insta-declassifying).
Jay @ 83
Hey! Resent SOME of Texas, not all of it.
rwcole @ 85
Heartburn.
TiredFed @ 74
you can and should impeach after the term is done, we have to discredit everything, every decision, every single thing he’s done and we need an impeachment to do it for posterity
rwcole @ 85
A fox in the Yen House?
Gnome
Dallas
An annual saying of the CEO I worked for there.
Oh, Dallas, I get it. Thanks, RW.
rwcole @ 86
Agida, frankly.
cbl @ 85
Yes. I fully agree and am hopeful that impeachments rings through the land and good people celebrate worldwide.
There is no way is hell the republic party would allow chimpco to be impeached. There are NO patriots in the republic party. You have people condoning torture and murder on a scale so big it defies comprehension, the republics would have to become hypocritical to the Nth degree. Not going to happen! As much as I wish it would, it’s not going to happen.
Speaking of Dallas, did SMU land the “My Pet Goat” library, or is the jury still out on that one?
Jay @ 83
Texas produced Molly Ivins and Ann Richards.
rwcole @ 85
Wall to wall Fox?
Can this be true?
Wouldnt this be the icing on the cake if this guy really investigates?
Gnome
Still up in the air I think. “Library” and SMU don’t really seem to go together.
I went to the “book store” there once- the book was already sold- lotsa sweatshirts though.
Texas also produced the Dixie Chicks and Lance Armstrong.
selise @ 80
I want Leahy to reside over a tribunal for these enemy combatants.
spurious @ 102
Growing up in New Orleans people made fun of Texans. Now that is scary.
spurious @ 101
And Barbara Jordan, Walter Cronkite, Dan Rather and countless others. Here is a list of some.
Texans are proud people…When someone moves to an adjacent state they say “The IQ of both states has just been raised.”
Any old hippies remember this Nixon quote:
“I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant”
Gonzo basically reiterated this to the Judiciary Committee.
snowbird, link not working…what is it?
(link now worky–mod fixed)
OT warning, but:
As women gain visibility in the blogosphere, they are targets of sexual harassment and threats. Men are harassed too, and lack of civility is an abiding problem on the Web. But women, who make up about half the online community, are singled out in more starkly sexually threatening terms — a trend that was first evident in chat rooms in the early 1990s and is now moving to the blogosphere, experts and bloggers said.
WaPo link
It’s why we fish at The Lake. We have the Dogs to protect us. :)
Diane @ 110
Don’t remember it from back then, but I do work and live with teenagers so I am quite familiar with the concept.
Wow, on CNN Immigration guy Javier something, says the entire immigration movement supports impeachment of Bush and Cheney and the entire right wing!!!
Texas Betsy: Thanks for that link.
Walter Cronkite; Joan Crawford; Buddy Holly–interesting list.
dmoore @ 112
Not sure who posted that last night but it gave nightmares. My niece and her fellow teen bloggers are being harassed online, possibly by another less stable teen they fired from their site. And now the harasser is impersonating them and leaving comments on other blogs. Very scary business.
OT, but EPU’d before I could get it out (if that is metaphysically possible).
What, if anything and if intelligible, did Chimpy McFlightsuit have to say?
Mandrake @ 118
More war, more engagement, more stratergy, more tactics. Basically that with a few 9/11’s thrown in for spice.
Texas Betsy,
Scratch Dan Rather from the list. That weepy sap was on board with the war just like Brittany Spears.
He sleeps with the fishes these days.
-GSD
Last thread, there was a question about the deleted MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
This was in HuffPo on election day 2006, by Mike Mackatee (excuse me, I am not sure of spelling.)
I checked and MISSION ACCOMPLISHED remains deleted at the official whitehouse.gov website. Note the black bar of censorship.
spurious @
102
TWO WORDS:
BUDDY HOLLY. texas rocks!
Texas Betsy @ 117
Seems like a different form of Identification Fraud. Very Scary Indeed.
And, sorry, didn’t intend to refresh your nightmares. We all have enough of them.
Texas Betsy @ 109
OK, OK, I give up.. I just can’t forget Tom DeLay or “W”
Texas Betsy @ 109
Jim Hightower!
(please don’t nest this again -mod)
Don’t forget Willie Nelson!
Or Cormac McCarthy
Solai @ 87
This makes the “banality of evil” so much easier to implement.
OT: Op-ed from The Hill yesterday:
Give Bloggers Capitol Access
new thread from Jane!!!!
Frank33 @ 121
That link works. I cited from it in an earlierthread…
Between Lyndon Johnson, Bush and Rove we’ve had enough Texas warmongering to last till the end of time.
I have nothing against Texans, but I can’t stand the war mongering dictatorial, Goebbels types.
-GSD
Mandrake @ 118
I watched it while at work so sound was muted. I’d like the opinion of someone else who watched it because what I saw at the end was the pres walking around aimlessly. He looked lost. Is that an accurate interpretation?
Glorfindel @
16
heh heh -
Biodun @ 116
My girlfriend is from Austin and is a fine progressive Texan. Her Dad however, brags about his annual christmas card from “GW”.
mayan @ 128
Not to mention it bleeds public support for the government “The government can’t do anything right so let’s privatize”
and… The Yellow Rose.
Sorry, I’m just feeling funny today.
Ha Ha funny. I’m always pecular.
Sorry for the nesting – I have never been able to figure out how not to with out destroying the quotes of the appropriate peeps.
Shuffling on out . . .
newspaperbrat @ 134
Resistance is futile. Assimilate.
Rule of LAW?
Let us never forget the quote Bush screamed at members of congress during discussion of text in the Patriot Act…
Our President said this about our most precious document:
Yeah- but Rove (Utah) and Clusterfuck (Connecticut) ain’t TEXANS.
LBJ war a Texan gone bad!
kdh22 @ 139
Nevah!
(watch nesting quotes we must -mod)
Bitch School is much too cool for BusChen.
Gnome de Plume @ 125
Or Scott Joplin!
spurious @ 144
Or Snarkassandra or my own Blue Dragon.
So what does Gonzalez do all day?
Tom @ 146
I’d tell you but this is a family blog..
I’m sorry to be OT, but this site says it is JerseyGOP – I cruised the site, and it looks legit, but it might be a joke.
http://www.jerseygop.com/R_babes/
Jay @ 147
Ewwwwww.
Okay, I’ll leave you all alone now. Must go plant carrot seeds. My son had dug a big a** hole in the yard and when I decided it was time for it to be filled in, I realized it was perfect for filling in with fertilizer and planting rootthings.
Later somewhere up above.
Jay @
147
Is it ok to say he spanks his monkey…furtively
Jay @
13
I posted this in the thread that originally brought up the question… after the thread had pretty much died, so I don’t think anyone saw it:
ABA
Doh. Too quick on the trigger. This is of course the ABA weighing in on the recent Gitmo developments, not on Abu himself.
LS @ 147
This window didn’t want to close. Virus?
Christy Hardin Smith @
12
I loved Spinal Tap!
It is best watched with like-minded friends so that you have more eyes to see all the visual jokes as well as the other fun stuff.
Bob in HI
Glorfindel @
16
I think you mean “The
BorgRove Collective”. That Deer-in-the-headlights look in Abu Gonzo’s eyes was due to the slight time delay in his telepathic connection to the Rove-Mind.Bob in HI
spurious @
29
Since The Prez tells us that Gonzo did a fine job in his testimony, we can conclude only one thing: that Abu Gonzo’s functional role in the administration is that of Court Jester, the Public Fool. He is the animated, bright shiny object. “hey look, over here! Its me, Stupid! Yeah, that’s me, my middle name is Stupid! La-la-la-la! Don’t look over there; nothing happening! Look here, at my buttercheeks! Aren’t I cute?”
Bob in HI
I sure hope Karl is carrying a pooper-scooper. Everybody he’s set up at DoJ is going to need one if we hope to keep DC clean.
Alice B @
40
If Gonzo is Rove’s sock puppet, and the DOJ has any power over Fitzgerald (as even Fitzgerald apparently feels they had), then is it any surprise that Fitzgerald was not able to indict Rove? Seems to me that there is a likely obstruction of justice charge in there somewhere that Fitz felt he couldn’t fight alone.
Bob in HI
Balrog @
45
No, actually that was an old Star Trek thing.
Bob in HI
(please no further nesting in this group -mod)
perris @ 94
You can’t impeach someone once they leave office, it can only be done while they are part of the current Administration. Impeachment is used to remove wrongdoers from positions of power, usuallly on the grounds of abuse of said power.
tbsa @
100
I think that this point of view is rapidly becoming obsolete. Of course there are some Republicans who will stampede with Bush over the cliff. But those who are facing re-election in 2008 (i.e., all of the House and 1/3 of the Senate) must be thinking about whether Bush helps or hurts their re-election chances. And the Republicans who are up for re-election are beginning to see that voting for impeachment helps them more than it hurts them. The tipping point is coming soon, and all we need is 10 Republican Senators to see the light.
By the time the House writes Articles of Impeachment, light bulbs will be popping “on” in the heads of many GOPer Senators.
Bob in HI
From a historical perspective: May 1 became Law Day in a successful effort to minimize the true holiday–May Day, the real Labor Day. It’s celebrated around the world as a worker’s day. But, not here. We are stuck with the first Monday of September.
Brisingamen @ 159
nope. sorry, but you can impeach after someone leaves office (altho prior Senates have decided it was a moot point once the perp was gone). impeachment can extend beyond removal to keeping someone from ever holding public office again and from receiving emoluments (e.g., a public pension).
Bob Schacht @ 160
no one could have anticipated that 98-0 vote against Bush on the Patriot Act revision, eh?
oh, and we need 16-17 Republican Senators (2/3s of Senators present) to convict.
Wasn’t Gonzales’s statement during his testimoney two weeks ago that the final list of attorneys was the ‘consensus opinion of the senior DOJ staff?’ How could he say that when he’d delegated staffing decisions to two particular people? Isn’t this the most easily provable lie ever told by anybody in congressional testimony?
Gonzales should never have been confirmed. His brown nose is so far up the ass of GWBush and Karl Rove. Bush is in a pickle. If he lets Gonzo go, anyone else who might be confirmed by the Dem Senate at this point would be in the position of having to blow the whistle or resign immediately. It is crystal clear that those bastards have politicized the DOJ and criminal prosecutions.
Who wants to bet that they have politicized the NSA info? NIxon needed a break-in by the plumbers to juice his campaign. Who wants to bet that Bush and Rove have been doing the same thing with high tech tools?
TiredFed @
52
This has probably been brought up, but I haven’t seen it: did Bush even know about the forced resignations until they hit the news? And why do I constantly feel like there’s no one in the cockpit here?
EDIT: or for a better analogy, it’s like riding “the bus” the Bushie trolls always crow about driving, glancing across the aisle, and seeing Georgie sitting in the back with his nose buried in a Little Golden Book and swinging his feet. Someone might be driving the bus (poorly and recklessly, mowing down pedestrians), but it isn’t the kid with the lollipop and snot-stained sleeves.