
(African elephant photo via pochacco20.)
What sort of abysmal failure of a presidency do you have as an elected Republican when William F. Buckley, Jr., writing in the National Review, calls your tenure "grave, possibly beyond the point of rescue?" And then says this:
But beyond affirming executive supremacy in matters of war, what is George Bush going to do? It is simply untrue that we are making decisive progress in Iraq. The indicators rise and fall from day to day, week to week, month to month. In South Vietnam there was an organized enemy. There is clearly organization in the strikes by the terrorists against our forces and against the civil government in Iraq, but whereas in Vietnam we had Hanoi as the operative headquarters of the enemy, we have no equivalent of that in Iraq, and that is a matter of paralyzing importance. All those bombings, explosions, assassinations: we are driven to believe that they are, so to speak, spontaneous.When the Romans were challenged by Christianity, Rome fell. The generation of Christians moved by their faith overwhelmed the regimented reserves of the Roman state. It was four years ago that Mr. Cheney first observed that there was a real fear that each fallen terrorist leads to the materialization of another terrorist. What can a “surge,” of the kind we are now relying upon, do to cope with endemic disease? The parallel even comes to mind of the eventual collapse of Prohibition, because there wasn’t any way the government could neutralize the appetite for alcohol, or the resourcefulness of the freeman in acquiring it....
The general makes it a point to steer away from the political implications of the struggle, but this cannot be done in the wider arena. There are grounds for wondering whether the Republican party will survive this dilemma.
The rest of the so-called conservative pundit establishment (with the exception of Andrew Sullivan and a very astute reader), is choosing to simply ignore Buckley's column. As if a sort of plugging of the ears and a "la la la la la I can't hear you." will make the entire mess of a Bush Presidency, their lockstep, slavish support for it and all of the attendant accountability for the rubber stamping of every poorly-planned and executed failed decision disappear in a cloud of Republican party pixie dust.
How many times have we heard George Bush say that we are "making progress" in Iraq? Honestly, from the idiocy of the "Mission Accomplished" craptastic photo-op to the "bring it on!" challenge to insurgents and everything since then, I generally just shake my head at the fact that he and the rest of his political minions think that Americans are too stupid to see through their lies and con games. Their disrespect ticks me off, but it is emblematic of their inherent mistrust and disdain for anyone that isn't inside the loyal crony cadre.
But today, this just made me furious:
The number of terrorism incidents in Iraq -- and resulting deaths, injuries and kidnappings -- skyrocketed from 2005 to 2006, according to statistics released by U.S. counterterrorism officials yesterday.Of the 14,338 reported terrorist attacks worldwide last year, 45 percent took place in Iraq, and 65 percent of the global fatalities stemming from terrorism occurred in Iraq. In 2005, Iraq accounted for 30 percent of the worldwide terrorist attacks.
The figures, compiled by the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC) and released with the annual State Department Country Reports on Terrorism, showed that the number of incidents in Iraq rose 91 percent, from 3,468 in 2005 to 6,630 in 2006....
Still, the report acknowledged, the invasion "has been used by terrorists as a rallying cry for radicalization and extremist activity that has contributed to instability in neighboring countries." The report also said that since the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in the fall of 2002, the country "remains threatened by Taliban insurgents and religious extremists," though "the majority of Afghans believe they are better off than under the Taliban." The number of terrorism incidents in Afghanistan rose 52 percent in 2006 compared with 2005, and the number of people killed, injured or kidnapped nearly doubled.
Is this what Republican progress looks like to George Bush and the Republicans who continue to enable him to plod along in the ditch into which he has driven our military and our nation, pouring money into a sinkhole with no end in sight? With rising American deaths again this month, and far greater Iraqi casualties as well? This blindered view of "success" no matter the facts is what has enabled George Bush to drive us all into the ditch -- and the fact that no one in his own party has stood up and said enough and taken his keys away is on their heads. It is no wonder that Buckley has begun to fear collapse of the GOP -- from within -- for there are no adults left in the Republican leadership, no one who will stand up and put the nation before their party.
And that ought to give pause for a lot of reflection. The Republican party is the party of failure, manipulation and lies. And America knows it. 2008 is fast approaching -- how do you think that's going to work come election night? No wonder Sean Hannity smells like fear.
UPDATE: Old Coastie spotted an interesting bit at The Washington Note. Steve Clemons passes along some thoughts from the Nelson Report that are worth reading. To wit:
Sometimes insider gossip seems to confirm what all us outsiders think we're seeing, so, for what it's worth. . .we're hearing that some big money players up from Texas recently paid a visit to their friend in the White House.The story goes that they got out exactly one question, and the rest of the meeting consisted of The President in an extended whine, a rant, actually, about no one understands him, the critics are all messed up, if only people would see what he's doing things would be OK. . .etc., etc.
This is called a "bunker mentality" and it's not attractive when a friend does it. When the friend is the President of the United States, it can be downright dangerous. Apparently the Texas friends were suitably appalled, hence the story now in circulation....
"You know, if Bush would stop his self-indulgent stubbornness for half a day, he could see plain as day that he has an opportunity to retain American control of the World Bank by easing Wolfie out. If he tries to keep Wolfie in that spot, American control could end.I really wonder whether his failure to distinguish between necessary toughness and catastrophically shoot-ourselves-(America)-in-our-foot pigheadedness results from biological anomaly. His inability to harvest experience, and so to think and form successful judgments, is just so inexplicable."
Priority numero uno has always been what George Bush wants and damn the consequences. The fact that "loyal Bushies" still do not understand that the man is a selfish prat surrounded by sycophantic enablers, yes men, and power-driven ends justifies the means political operatives, none of which have ever been good for the Republican party's long-term survival, never mattered to them when the money and the power ade was rolling in. The lack of long-term foresight is appalling enough -- but the willingness to overlook the lack of any core beliefs other than "my way or the highway" ought to give every thinking American pause before ever voting for another Republican.
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Zed?
Happy Mission Day!
zed?
dang!
This is creepy: Bush in the Bunker…
Bugs Bunny said it best:
“What a maroon.”
Even a blind squirrel finds a zed once in a while.
Christy!!!
Good to be back and reading your posts again. ;->
Amy Goodman interviewing Ray McGovern.
Adie at 8 — Was wondering where you were. Welcome back!
Too bad the blind Republicans can’t seem to find a policy that makes sense, even once in a while.
Yet anothe example: per today’s WaPo, the Bushies circular-filed a set of proposed regs that would probably have averted all of the student loan scandals.
Imagine my surprise.
I love the elephant with one ear . . .
I asked this downstairs right when a new thread came up and I would like to see an answer if anyone knows;
perris @ 116
The Republicans are finally coming to terms with what the rest of us knew in 2000. That Georgie-boy is an imbecile, with my apologies to honest imbeciles. The evidence was there in his life up to that point, but they were so hungry for the White House that it didn’t matter, and not factoring Karl Rove into the picture, they thought they could control him the way they controlled Reagan.
There are a lot of people at fault in this catastrophe, but the top candidates are the bonzes of the Republican Party who decided in January 1999 that George Bush was going to be their standard bearer. They made that decision without due diligence, and all of us are paying for it. It is my fervent hope that this destroys the Republican Party, and that the new Conservative Party that emerges from its ashes — and there will be one, just as there are Christian Democratic Parties in Europe after World War II — will be purged of the fascists who took over the Republican brand.
To name names: George Schultz, George Bush Sr. (who of all of us surely knew what his son is made of), James Baker. Secondary roles to Colin Powell and Alan Greenspan for not stopping obviously disastrous policies in their tracks when they had the capacity to do so.
Not pretty: ‘Mission Accomplished’ By The Numbers
From the Dunce’s “Mission Accomplished” speech on May 1, 2003, lest we forget:
How many times have we heard George Bush say that we are “making progress” in Iraq?
Reminds me of Holy Joe, somehow.
The lack of long-term foresight is appalling enough — but the willingness to overlook the lack of any core beliefs other than “my way or the highway” ought to give every thinking American pause before ever voting for another Republican.
I believe this predates Dubya…I’m thinking Gingrich and Limbaugh (and originally, Atwater). But it took Bush and Rove to take it to the next level, and combine it with the spectacular hubris and incompetence that brought us debacles on the scale of Iraq and Katrina.
perris,
issuing Comey a subpoena frees him from DOJ control and oversight of his testimony :)
perris at 13 — That was answered in the comments in the last thread a coupla time — the DoJ regs require that a subpoena be issued if Comey wanted to be able to testify freely. Otherwise, his testimony would have been subject to approval by the DoJ which has, fairly consistently, refused to voluntarily allow testimony during the Bush Administration. It was the proper move by the committee to circumvent DoJ-forced PR message control — it end runs their ability to gag Comey from testifying.
Great cartoon on the Boston Globe ed page today regarding “Mission Accomplished.” Bush standing in front of the banner, which over time has become tattered and all the letters have fallen off except “I LI ED.”
Oh, please.
Hi Christy. Thanks.
We were on a trip to Big Bend, then to southeast AZ, glorying in the beautiful wild country and wildlife (ahem, feathered variety mostly).
Highly therapeutic. I was wallowing in winter doldrums before - now, ready to roll, heh. ;->
Christy, Could they subpoena Fitz this way too? Wasn’t his appearance blocked by the DOJ?
EvilDrPuma @ 21
Oh, please, also
From the same Mission Accomplished speech on May 1, 2003 above:
gunga - left a response to your request in the last thread.
I dunno. I see the polls, and I am heartened by the Dems solidarity, However, I continue to wonder when I hear about death blows to the GOP, how many people on the conservative side are simply biding their time and have no plans to ever leave their comfortable home with the Elephants. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18386898/ It’s good to read Buckley has some sense, but how many Faux viewers will ever even hear of it let alone read it?
If Wass’s article is correcto, doesn’t
that mean that Sampson perjured himself?
For the party and its Preznit that detests the gummint as a matter of principle, who knew that governing stuff would be so hard?
As Junya puts it: “Ah thought ah just had to (pick one):”
1. Snap mah fingers like ah do to get another Rum and Coke.
2. Put mah good ol’ boys from Texass in place and they’d cover for me like they always did before.
3. Listen to that voice in mah head ’cause who else could it be but the Lord?
“And now, even Barney ain’t fetchin’ for me no more”.
Who knew?
OT: Does the Waas story on the Monica/Kyle memo delegating to them the hiring/firing for the White House with basically no DOJ oversight allow for effectively nixing Monica’s immunity agreement? I’m thinking this information is clearly not derived from Monica’s testimony, so it can be used against her in any future proceedings without having been “tainted” by immunized testimony. In particlar, perhaps they should take their time with Monica’s testimony and get all the facts out they can before she speaks.
The lack of long-term foresight is appalling enough — but the willingness to overlook the lack of any core beliefs other than “my way or the highway” ought to give every thinking American pause before ever voting for another Republican.
Word. As disappointing and spineless as democrats in office sometimes are, I don’t think I could ever bring myself to vote republican again after seeing how they’ve carried water for this administration (and I have a LOT of voting years left in me). They have proven that party loyalty means more to them then the health of the country.
Steve @ 24
It seems no history is safe from rewrite, eh?
We once again approach an era of uncertainty.
Chimpy and the Gimp are clearly under the microscope now….their world collapsing around them..
I am afraid that they are eying their stacks of dwindling poker chips and are about to double down for the last big hand.
Olmert in Israel is on his way out….If his departure brings in Bibi Netanyahu look for a regional conflagration….Netanyahu will launch a stike on Iranian nuclear facilities or will reopen the Hezbollah war which has been on prolonged recess and will surely look to draw in Syria…which will draw in Iran……Which will draw in the US.
Summertime and the lving is queasy.
-GSD
Happy Law Day . . .
In keeping with tradition, President Bush has issued a proclamation inviting Americans today to “celebrate the Constitution and the laws that protect our rights and liberties.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05.....mp;emc=rss
The mantra of Republicans, in general, is to blame others. They create the divide by insisting that you’re with us or against us, and then respond to missteps with “It’s all on you.”
Now, hitch that manic predisposition to blamelessness to a petulant, pig-headed frat boy, and you have the mess we’re in.
Attention big-money Texas players: That you’ve found the pig-head figurehead is late, but welcome. But, if you want to see the real disease, look in the mirror.
EvilDrPuma @ 21
How appallingly ignorant can one be? And here I thought Buckley could…read.
Buckley’s not a “true conservative”, anyway. Everybody knows that.
;->
Sonoma Rus @ 33
When is the ass-wiping ceremony?
-GSD
There’s a quote from Tenet’s new book, where he wryly observes the Bush team:
“They never realized that you can only rule with the consent of the governed.”
He was talking about ruling Iraq in this case, but I believe it applies just as well to their view of the American people. The Bushies simply don’t care what the majority of the country thinks or wants.
If these so called friends were patriotic Americans they would stage an intervention. It scares the hell out of me knowing that someone truly psychotic has his finger on the “Nukular” button.
This from the same a-hole that said the Constitution is just a piece of paper and signed a law suspending habeas corpus for anyone - including you and me - designated as an enemy combabant.
F*ck him.
Here is another part of the problem:
News Corp makes unsolicited bid for Dow Jones: CNBC
Concentration of the MSM in the hands of a few tycoons.
McGovern:
Tenet manipulator in chief - policy fixed around the policy - documentary evidence.
Slam dunk - he meant Potus, we can make a slam dunk case to influence the populace. Tenet admitting to a more heinous offence.
9/12 - Perle: Sadam Hussein’s brother in law, was son-in-law, who told us nukes destroyed. His testimony used to push for war and the testimony was given to Newsweek 2/24/03, MSM neglected it. Tenet knew that.
Tenet ought to fess up to being part of this “conspiracy”…
Warrentless eavesdropping originated with Cheney….darkside, torture, wiretapping, all matter of indignities caused by Cheney.
Tenet on torture: Anybody ever die in the interrogation program, no.
McGovern says, they say one thing over and over. Of course they torture. What does he take us for, fools? Not logical. McCain was right about not buying that lives were saved because of torture. Torture doesn’t work. Ticking bomb in timesquare never happens. Torture like rape or slavery, always wrong.
Mission Accomplished, war bill:
People like Durbin have to change their mindset, not subservient branch of government. Criticizes that Durbin - all enemies foreign and domestic. Should have defended constitution. They were in majority in Senate then. War has to stop, hope they have the guts.
Durbin: Sure he could have. Several years they say we can’t do this because we were in the minority. They have to step up to constitutional duties.
Veto: Dems need to go back to drawing board, impose stricter language. Levin has played into that. Why Levin? He gets more money from a*…c than anyone else. Like a neocon can’t see daylight between Israel and US policies. Very transparent, if Levin can’t see, then he hasn’t read GWashington’s farewell speech.
Bay State Librul @
28
Yup.
Call 202-456-1111 and tell Chimpy to sign the Iraq funding bill. Flood the phones and make his staff miserable.
So Buckley thinks that christianity caused the fall of the Roman Empire- a question everyone seems to have an opinion about.
The official end of Rome as the seat of power in the Roman Empire was when Constantine moved the capital to Constantinople and made christianity the state religion. From there the empire did just fine, thank you, for nearly a thousand years.
Neil @ 41
I forget to mention the President’s warrant less wiretapping program in violation of out 4th amendment rights.
perris @ 13
DOJ has to give him permission to testify. A subpoena is the best way around it.
poor ole’ bill. I like the quote about the romans and christians! a pathetic old man that is going back to fiction to compare to reality.
there is no roman record of the jesus character. but bill thinks that is what killed the beast?
funny, civilizations like rome fall because the weight distribution. useless public officials that do nothing are not a part of the food chain. Doug Adams figured out how to take care of that. Sad that we don’t see it daily on a grand scale?
good that he sees what everyone else saw so many years ago. great moments in hindsight
agreed, Christy.
and… then there’s the wannabe-ruling class of the MSM…
Below is a quote outta my notes from a recent visit to our southwest border area. Admittedly, it’s just my personal impression. Nevertheless, I’m pretty convinced LouDobbin aint got a clue, ahem, FWIW.
cbl @ 18
thanx cbl, that ’splains it
LS @ 43. Thanks for “live” blogging the McGovern interview on Democracy Now.
What is the rationale behind making A-*-P-A-C a word that triggers screening?
(edited by mod)
Republics are going to have a difficult time washing off the stain of the Bush years. Yet they continue to behave as if they will be unaffected. Their only chance to mitigate the damage is to now speak out against the Bush Administration. Considering what we now know and what we will no doubt soon learn, that should be an easy choice. For some unknown reason, however, the Republics fell compelled to put their party above all else.
Bionic @ 32
Buckley is just trying to establish his street cred with Victor Davis Hanson.
(nested quotes watch we are…mod)
EvilDrPuma @
21
Correct analogy, incorrect application.
WE are the Christians. Corporate-owned media is Rome, and Buckley as a functionary of that ancient city is in a state of denial.
Get to sacking, Christian soldiers.
We are now ready for impeachment, starting with Gonzo…
We were one whistle-stop away yesterday, but whoever gave Waas those documents deserves a
huge KUDO..
It is important that we push the issue of sycophantic yes-men and -women. It is easy to dump on people like Colin Powell, Condi Rice, and George Tenet, the people who supported Bush’s warmaking when presumably they knew better. Yet yes people are the only people Bush would ever appoint.
We expect true public servants to resign in protest over something like the insertion of the famous “16 words” in the State of the Union message. But why would Bush ever appoint anyone with the pride, integrity, and courage to resign under such circumstances?
It takes inner strength to quit and blow the whistle in a circumstance such as this. But if all your self esteem is tied up in a job in which you serve at the pleasure of another, you just can’t give it up. The people Bush appoints, are desperate for Bush’s approval and that of his wealthy contributors. But a first rate public servant is strong enough not to need the job too much.
Sunlight @ 57
No Profiles in Courage Award for Tenet
Steve @ 24
well, Buckley oughta know. He was there.
I believe the evidence McGovern has is tied to the “origin” of the Downing Street minutes. He referred to people who went to Europe to plan the war. It sounds to me like the Niger forgeries themselves were discussed in writing as the actual means fix the facts to fit the policy. It was the basis of the plan. That would explain why Waxman wants Condi. That would explain why Cheney went after Wilson. He describes it as the conspiracy. I think he has something concrete for sure in writing, and I think he’s speaking publicly about it because Waxman already has it.
O/T: Going back to yesterday’s thread on McGovern and the Niger forgeries. The following is from “Everything You Need to Know About Michael Ledeen” by Katherine Yurica, April 7, 2005, click
The leading authority on what is and isn’t known about this matter is eRiposte, who posts that stuff at TheLeftCoaster.com, and who has posted here a couple of times. Hint. Hint.
On the thread yesterday, someone asked who Ray McGovern is. Per TruthOut.org: “Ray McGovern works with Tell the Word, the publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour. He was a CIA analyst for 27 years and is now on the Steering Group of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS).” And per the Wikipedia, he was George H.W. Bush’s daily briefer for some period of time. He has written numerous excellent articles on the evils of the Bush-43 administration. He posts most of them at TomPaine.com, but TruthOut.org seems to repost and archive all of them.
Clusterfuck’s got the gooper congresscritters in a hell of a bind.
If they don’t support Clusterfuck and his war, they’ll be eaten alive in the gooper primaries- as goopers continue to support the idiot and his big ideas.
If, on the other hand, the goopers continue to support ol Clusterfuck- they’ll be eaten alive in the general election- where they will face the public- 60% of whom think the war sucks.
Kinda makes ya feel sorry fer them goopers don’t it?
LS @ 60
Please, please, please, please let it be…….
I guess when Norquist et al thought of drowning the government, they did not imagine that W would also drown the R party.
Remember that failed again resume of W that went around and around? Well, in addition to destroying the US, he has also destroyed the R party.
WWWWWWambulance.
tbsa @ 62
When the subpoena was being debated for Condi, they kept saying, why do you want her now, she’s already answered this stuff over and over you’re not going to get anything new. Waxman was very calm and vague and said because he wants to hear from her personally directly. He’s got the goods on this stuff without a doubt in my mind.
bg @ 64
If he has destroyed the Republics, perhaps that’s the real reason he feels that history will ultimately smile upon him.
Cheney: our own “Grey Excrescence”
Holy shamole…..even George Will is smelling the coffee:
Guess what else I think? I think Durbin is suddenly coming out and saying he’s sorry he couldn’t tell anybody what he knew at the time. Maybe he saw the same thing McGovern is referring to and now he’s trying to cover his ass. This all goes back to Downing Street.
Suppose for a moment that you are a gooper congresscritter. What’s yer plan fer getting re-elected. You are watching the war news- hoping that something will happen that at least LOOKS like progress- but there isn’t anything.
Your president is basically asking for a blank check with no accountability for results.
The voters hate the whole thing..
So what is your plan?
Most likely you give faint support for the “surge-o-rama” until August or so- and then start backtracking and finding some wisdom in timetables and benchmarks- and you try to roll into 2008 on the right side of Clusterfuck’s war- that is to say- against it.
Clusterfuck knows all of this- he’s got May, June, and July to change perceptions of his war.
He hasn’t been able to do it in four years- how much chance does he have in three months?
I’d say he’s fucked.
o/t
Adie,
“my jaguar” indeed - sounds like you had a visit with the Spoffords of Cave Creek ! - good god 20 years ago, they referred us to a local ’scout’ for owls and we saw the jaguar headed up a ridge
did you see Trogons, Flame Tanager ???
inquiring birdbrains want to know
Bionic @ 32
I know how you all feel, but Buckley still has currency in the GOP. This article is MANNA FROM HEAVEN for me personally. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had the NJ shoved down my throat…I’m going to roll it up and spank a few people with it now.
(please watch quote nesting — mod)
LS @ 69
Hey I just thought of something else. Did you see the artcle that Blair might resign in a matter of weeks? Could that be connected? They all come tumbling down.
Adie, it is really sad to see the little border towns so devastated by our idiocy. Years ago I took a ferry across the Rio Grande in Big Bend to Boquillas del Carmen, I believe it was, to have lunch. I’ve been told by friends in the area that the place is almost a ghost town, like you said. The only other way into the village from another village inside Mexico was/is a six hour jeep ride over the Sierra del Carmen mountains. What harm do these folks do us? And yet the drug runners get their mules across daily. So much so that all my friends who live out there carry pistols whenever they leave the house!
rwcole @ 62
lather, rinse, repeat. gotta get to 2/3s in the Senate to have any chance.
rwcole @ 69
That is what President self-elected Cheney wants everyone to think. He wants Bush to get impeached, then we would see the coup completed. He would then attack Iran, we’d have a terror attack over here, and he’d grab total power. That is the neocon agenda. They want to rule the world and they believe in using domination and force to achieve it. It is really that simple. But they will not prevail. Cheney must be impeached.
OT, but thought Christy might want to see this, if you haven’t already:
http://www.latimes.com/news/po.....;cset=true
Christy quotes an FOB from The Washington Note:
Some folks have years of experience in doing a job. Others have one year of experience repeated many times
Badwater @ 52
Yes, they probably feel like “hey, we recovered from Watergate in good form, just a hiccup in our plans.”
Unfortunately, the eroding 28 percenters don’t realize that you can’t manipulate to your OWN party and maintain loyalty. I’m sure there are a number of GOPers who wrote a credibility check to George who now regret it.
kdh22 @ 77
My initial thought was that the Republics should completely scrap ‘08 and concentrate on ‘12. Wishful thinking…
Lou Costello @ 15
If you skipped over this link, check it out.
Don’t forget the comments, as they are highly entertaining.
valletta @ 45
I just tried the number…it’s busy.
But, when I do get through, I’m going to suggest that if he vetoes the bill, those darn lefty-oldhippies will use it against him saying that HE’S the one who is not funding HIS/Our troops. Yup, that’s what I’m gonna say. AND
Rayne - I left a response to your question below.
LS @
69
The Niger forgeries predated the 7/23/02 Downing Street meeting by several months. And the revelation about the Niger forgeries predate those about the Downing Street Memos. But the conspiracy to sell the war has been a unified effort, and it all ties together.
Hillary said the other day in San Diego (to the CA state Demo meeting), “The first thing I will do as President is get us out of Iraq.”
So I guess she is thinking we’ll still be there in 2009.
There is NO WAY the war can go that long. NO WAY.
Mae @ 72
I think McGovern has friends in high places in Britain. They have whistleblowers too. I haven’t been watching the Brits lately, but it would be interesting to snoop around and see if there are any murmurings over there about the fixing the facts to the policy stuff lately.
rwcole @ 70
Republics may be screwed, but Bush really doesn’t care. He has a long history of screwing up businesses, so this isn’t new to him. Someone always bailed him out. He’s got his future mapped out anyway. He’s making plans to go be a full time brush rancher.
rwcole @
62
Uh, No, it does not.
LS @ 69
Oh, man. Did anyone else see the clip of Durbin admitting that he heard that some of the evidence was questionable, but couldn’t say anything because he was Sworn to secrecy. What? So, that little bit of Scouts’ Honor has bit him in his conscience. Ya think?
bg @ 84
When she finally owns up to her part in getting us into Iraq, maybe I’ll listen to what she has to say about getting out. This is just typical Hillary Clinton–always trying to play both sides of the street.
do-si-do @ 79
Bush has managed to make Nixon look not so bad.
Wigwam @ 82
True. But, like you say, the planning to sell the war pre-dated the Downing Street minutes, as did the Niger forgeries. At that point, they had what they needed and they told the Brits that the facts were fixed to fit the policy. It was already done, the minutes just reflected a particular discussion about it that when leaked, tipped off the public.
Wigwam @ 83
let us not forget that the very first Bush Cabinet meeting had attacking Iraq on the agenda. And that PNAC advocated such to President Clinton. All planned in advance.
Mission Accomplished!
They robbed us blind.
It was a carefully planned heist. Bush and his droogs forced their way in, created a distraction and held the door for as long as they could so they could clean out the safe and vandalize the place. Now the droogs want to take the loot and get out but Bush is never satisfied. Theft and vandalism isn’t enough. Nobody’s going to make him leave. He OWNS the damn place now. He is daring someone to step in and remove him. His droogs are panicking and revving the get away car. Bush just contnues to piss on the floor.
And he’ll just leave us with a hell of a mess to clean up, laughing all the way out of the bank.
Clusterfuck at least makes Nixon look competent by comparison- and Nixon was DRUNK most of the time!!
Fantastic post, Christy!
We can always count on you!
The Republican caucus is already getting wobbly. Hagel and Gordon Smith are out.
Now we have the likes of Snowe, Collins, Sununu and Specter who are waiting for the right moment to run for the doors…
There may be a few GOP’ers that aren’t going to run for re-election in Congress so they’ll beg off…
They are watching their reliable fundraising advantage evaporate in front of their eyes.
Intelligent, yet ideological men like Buckley, Will, Bartlett, Sullivan are bailing and they are left with the nitwit squads like Savage, Malkin, Limpballs, Beck, and the gang as their only front line of defense. Even Bob No-facts is saying that the Dems may be poised to pick up more seats this time around.
Now they are hearing stories from insiders that Bush has entered the bunker with the Cheney’s and Rove/Goebbels’ family…..
The GOP establishment is picking over carcasses now…..They are hoping that their new Messiah is Fast Fred Thompson or Newton Leroy Gingrich or someone yet to be named….
What a sad sack bunch of losers.
-GSD
rwc, “and Nixon was DRUNK most of the time!!”
and the difference between Nixon and Bush is ????
Badwater @ 90 says:
That’s cuz for all of Nixon’s crookedness, he was at least semi-competent AND willing to actually be a leader in a lot of areas. He may have been dragged kicking and screaming into some of the things like the EPA and other initiatives but at least he did sign the bills. Unfortunately, he see in The Chimpy’s actions, an approximation of what life would have been like if the Trickster had had Republican congresses instead of Democratic.
TiredFed 91,
The Niger forgeries were very outdated. They contained names of people no longer serving in the government. Those documents could have been forged years earlier and then “planted” at the appropriate time to fix the facts when they were ready to make the case for war. The neocons had years to plan this stuff as the PNAC shows. They fixed the election, came into power, and executed the plan. Chance favors the prepared mind.
bg @ 98
Nixon was a nicer drunk?
and maybe Bush is a drunker drunk?
EvilDrPuma @ 89
I’m sure she has a ‘master plan’ on getting the troops out of Iraq that doesn’t involve airplanes.
EvilDrPuma @ 101
Nixon had some competent folks surrounding him and not a bunch of kool-aid swallowing true-believers.
Nixon was also a flaming liberal compared to Bush.
OT….but OMG. Joe’s gonna run for president!
They know (I hope) most people disagree with them and see through some of their lies - they are just daring people to do anything about.
rwcole @ 104
also, didn’t Nixon, er, have a BRAIN?
oddmommy @ 106
The Kiss Float goes national!
Mae @ 71
Britain’s Parliament has been on Blair’s ass for well over a year. Much less the public and fairly large protests for quite some time. It’s more of him catching a clue than anything else. Now if we could say the same for the Shrub. *sighs*
Durbin voted against the war…he was a member of the double secret probation squad back in the days when death was still in the air…..I am sure he told many a Dems why he was voting against the war without revealing enough to get the Bush/Cheney treason firing squad…
That so many Dems voted for the war….We know what MOST of them were thinking, let’s be honest.
I’m not going to be critical of one of the good guys who weathered lots of shit…I can still hear Savage yelling about the traitor “Turban Durbin”….
-GSD
LS@76
Yeah, that used to be my secret, tinfoil hat, freakout too. But it occurred to me that with Chimpy’s latest surge idiocy, refusing to send enough troops to do the job, dissing and ignoring the advise of his own generals, extending tours of duty, f’ing up Walter Reed, he had royally pissed off the one thing he needs to run a coup-the military. Once I realized how pissed at Bushco the military is, I started sleeping a LOT better at night.
Badwater@90
Bush has managed to make Nixon look not so bad.
Incredible, but true!
Good point about the World Bank. A couple more months, and the world will decide to permanently change the arrangement that allows the world’s #1 debtor nation to pick the head of the World Bank.
“Nixon had competent people surrounding him”
Yeah Halderman, Ehrlichman, Kissinger, and a convicted Vice President….
Dream Team! !
Maybe the Halliburton offices were the “cottage” industry McGovern was referring to when he mentioned how they were forged - that is where Cheney was during those years. Perhaps the burglary in Rome was just a red herring op by some lowlife friends of Dick and Lynn to throw off the scent of the origin of the forgeries.
EvilDrPuma @ 101
The real difference is that Nixon was a self-made man. He had to work hard to get to the top. Bush is a prince who has had everything handed to him, deserving or not. Nixon worked hard to make a comeback of sorts. Who will ever hand Bush a comeback?
If one brings up Buckley’s dissent, the True Believers just say, “Oh, but he’s a Paleocon,” as if that took care of the matter.
Buckley may be correct about the Republican party. It’s hard to imagine how they will dig themselves out of this. I honestly cannot see why their people in Congress don’t start voting as they think instead of as they have been ordered to do. Especially it puzzles me why long-time Republican legislators, who remember the days before anyone had heard of a “neocon,” would behave that way. It’s bizarre, really.
Obviously there is some key ingredient of which I am not aware. Maybe Rove has dirt on each and every one of them — difficult to imagine, but not impossible.
yellowdogD @ 81
Thanks for this. Comment #50 was awesome.
rwcole @ 104
The Republicans took a hard right turn when they got behind Reagan. I doubt they can ever recover from that.
conniptionfit @ 112
Yeah, I aint worried that Cheney is going to rally US troops against the US citizens…..They’d better worry about where the barrels would be pointing if the US troops had an option.
-GSD
rwcole @ 115
Compared to Bush/Cheney, they were a dream team.
“pouring money into a sinkhole”
Just one point that we should never forget, the money does not go into a sink hole. It goes out of our pocket, but is gathered by people who have a lot of it and want more.
I know you realize this. But I just can’t get over the fact that we spend the money, the volunteer spend the blood, and the contractors and corps get the checks/barrels of cash - and there is a similar split on the target country as well.
bg @ 102
Bush is a pricker prick.
EvilDrPuma @ 109
JoeLIE’s delusion is becoming laughable. Musta been “The Kiss” that did it!
Raw Story:
BBC: At one-year mark, Iraqi democracy on rough road
Ralph @ 117
does it have something to do with following the $$? Aren’t all repubs (yes, and many Dems too) collectively in the pockets of the large moneyed interests that the Bushites have served so well these last godawful 6 years?
cbl @ 70
;-> (!!!)
HEY cbl!!! fodder for “pull-up-a-chair”????
dubbleO/T: Spofford no longer there, but knew her well, ahem- 40 yrs ago in Ithaca.
o/t teaser to savor: owls & orioles galore, trogons “barking” & cavorting, incubating goshawk(!), red-faced & olive warblers, twin-spotted & black-tailed rattlers up close & personal (unmolested, in the wild), no jaguars seen - I just REALLYREALLY need to know those magnificent kitties are still there….. and hopefully will outlast jr.’s follies.
later….. ‘kay? ;->
*reaches for ice pack to continue nursing aching “birder’s-neck”*
rwcole @ 115
Bebe Robozo!!!
LS @ 69
I thought something along these lines too. I think Durbin wants to point this out first to minimize the damage. Disappointing to say the least.
rw,
bullshit! per Scarecrow
there is plenty of talk about them being reduced to an historical footnote like the Whigs - and if they continue down this cravenly murderous path, they will lose a dependable facet of their base - military families
let them do right yesterday! or let them lose their souls
All Hillary has to do is slide the troops a bit to the east………and she’s ended the Iraq war…….
oddmommy @ 126
The last six years belong solely to the Republics. Trying to include Dems lets Republics off the hook somewhat.
Badwater @ 117
____________________________________________
Bushtwerp doesn’t have the stuff to make a comeback.
Dead Duck.
(keep the nests clean–keeps the mods happy)
Gnome de Plume @ 73
still makes me tear-up every time I think about it, and deepens my anger at this horrible horrible crew now in power.
the harm they have done is incalculable!
all the guys & gals at FDL give me hope, where before I had none.
(((((FDLdawgs))))) ;->
Adie @
127
Jaguars are making their way north into south Central Texas! A few have been spotted in the southern Hill Country.
GSD@121
Yep. Our guys really believe that stuff about defending the constitution.
do-si-do @ 129
Why else would he suddenly talk about it now? He looked so upset. Some kind of shiza is about to hit the fan.
kdh22 @ 124
A paraphrased quote from “Rove Exposed”. Bush told a disgruntled and powerful Dem, “well, if you’re going to f*ck me, I want a kiss first.” Charmed, I’m sure.
(Watch nested quotes–mod)
Reports of the death of the Republican Party have been greatly exaggerated. I don’t give a shit what chimpie has screwed up, the repukes still have a large population of white, male, rednecks, both in the South and not in the South who will vote for whatever racist comes in front of them. The truest statement I have ever read or heard has been attributed to H L Mencken: nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public. True in 1920, and true today.
cbl @ 130
I believe they surrendered their souls when they first nominated George W. Bush.
thanks adie!!!
pic on this page was taken in 06 !
can’t wait for PUAC !!!
Waxman is busy today. Not the Mission Unacomplished stuff but considering the pet food recall and the other issues FDA seems to be having this would probably be an interesting hearing.
didn’t mean it that way….only that in the larger scheme of things $$ control a lot of them too.
Umm . . . sorta maybe, sorta maybe not . . .
Nixon was a Naval Intelligence Officer, who deep sixed a report that tied Allen Dulles to a Nazi War Criminal. This earned him the undying gratitude of the Dulles Brothers — and made him a protege of Allen Dulles and Prescott Bush.
Nixon was a tool of the Bushies, before the inbreeding destroyed the brand.
cbl @ 141
There is also a mysterious large black cat that has been spotted in South Texas.
LS at 137
Yes, but as GSD just reminded us, Durbin DID vote against the war. Perhaps Durbin is getting ready to face the terrible, desparate attacks from the cornered Bushies…?
Joe D. @ 140
The Republics are becoming the American Independent Party.
The GOP is dead. RIP.
do-si-do @ 146
I really like and respect Durbin, I’m just saying that his comments come at a time when they want to subpoena Condi and McGovern is out there making statements about pre-war evidence.
ifthethunderdontgetya @
17
And Cheney
do-si-do @ 147
And who were the other Dems on the committee with Durbin, who also were too afraid to tell Americans that the Intell was different than what we were being fed by the admin/media?
If the goopers didn’t exist- the military industrial complex would have to invent em.
Hmmm… Old Georgie is suddenly announcing that he wants to compromise on the war…
I wonder if those “big money players up from Texas” told him in no uncertain terms to stop being so stubborn and make nice with congress before the republican party is decimated.
It’s a thought..
Welcome to reality Bill. Too bad it took you fifty years to find it. Buckley’s real concern is for “conservatives” are chained to the chimp. Sorry, but Chimpy is the logic result of the conservative revolution. He is what Reagan would have been if he didn’t have Democrats to stop him from completely fucking up.
Joe D. @ 138
I agree that it’s true…..and I also cringe a bit when folks start chanting “ding dong, the Bush is dead!” We’ve got a long way to go, and there is a whole hell of a lot more damage that can and (I fear) will be done before this abomination is out of office.
The GOP is on the verge of becoming a a small regional party IF they don’t move the mountains to change what is going on.
They have done it before….So don’t count them out.
-GSD
Gnome de Plume @ 146
There’s great danger being a Texas Brush Rancher! That must be why it appeals to an action figure like George W. Bush.
GSD @ 38
I hope a whole busload of lawyers just spank him silly with a nice heavy ConLaw book. He will say and/or do anything to save his own, personal, unique, hairy butt.
Lou Costello @ 15
WOW! That really says it all.
Gnome,
thanks - poorly held texas tree hugger secret for almost 2 decades - resident den in Weslaco - thank Gaia as extemely ethical, nature loving hunters have ‘protected it’ from the bubbas
oooh the black cat
conniptionfit @ 152
Remember, they COULDN’T tell us. It was top secret.
-GSD
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 131
707!!!!!!
Gnome de Plume @ 134
Yes, and their territories necessarily must extend across jr’s stoopid border area fiasco, or naturalists fear they will not survive. Hence my very real worries.
Did I mention IMPEACH yet today? I forget.
please consider it done ;->
The Pumas ate all a Clusterfuck’s pigs- so now he’s reduced ta bein a brush rancher.
conniptionfit @ 151
Jane Harmon maybe and/or Jay Rockefeller (weren’t they on the intell committee)? I’m sure there must be others, but remember that the Dems were often shut out of stuff when only Repubs were briefed about certain things. For example, the warrantless wiretapping; although Harmon was informed, as was Jay Rockefeller.
LS @ 85
The takeaway from the little Brit watching I’ve done is the debate on whether or not Prince Harry will ship out to Iraq. I don’t think Our Prince will want that Prince’s blood on his hands. I mean, I don’t think he cares about his life or anything, just the really bad PR.
(Safe nest practice–no more quotes on this. Mod)
Badwater @ 148
Only to those voters that are paying attention.
oddmommy @
106
Oooo, let’s all volunteer for Joe! We will help the voters see the true beauty of Joe. They will learn to appreciate Joe’s many unique qualities.
rwcole @ 165
Hey, I resent that!
Texas Betsy @ 160
The only numbers that matter to Republics are the ones showing how much of the $421 billion have flowed into their own hands.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 129
Wow. I haven’t thought about Bebe Rebozo in a long time. What a blast from the past!
BAdwater @ 117:
The real difference is that Nixon was a self-made man. He had to work hard to get to the top. Bush is a prince who has had everything handed to him, deserving or not. Nixon worked hard to make a comeback of sorts. Who will ever hand Bush a comeback?
Nixon was a protege of Prescott Bush, W’s grand papi (I think he was the one financing Nazi’s)
portia.vz @ 169
Too late. From what I can tell, Lieberputz’s name is already a household four-letter word outside Connecticut.
Anybody see this article? Pentagon study says oil reliance strains military - If the military is going “green”, what happens next?
conniptionfit @ 152
I know, I know. Say, it could be interesting to see how other Intel committee members voted. Anyone have that info or know how I can find out?
Steve @
24
Oh, please, indeed.
Gnome de Plume @ 174
The war has to end because the military is running out of gas…that’s a noble reason to leave. Unbelievable.
EvilDrPuma @ 174
quel supris! *snerkggh*
portia.vz @ 169
All this can do is guarantee more dem votes.
Happy May Day
on the heels of craptastic Friday with the Durbin mea culpa and Tenet et. al.
is it just me or do any of you see the GOPigs go after everyone BUT Hilary…it’s making me queasy…
oh and PS:
“Nixon was a tool of the Bushies, before the inbreeding destroyed the brand.”
um, GHWBush was supposedly a big pushover/easy mark/lightweight which is why Dick Nixon kept him on a leash during Nixon part deux.
“what happens next?”
Training in non-violent conflict resolution.
LS @ 178
Or the war has to continue to get the gas to help the war continue…
redX @ 173
Even Prescott Bush would pick Nixon over George W. Bush.
Mae @
73
Blair will definitely resign in a matter of weeks. He will probably announce next week after Labour gets a serious kicking in local Govt. elections in England, Assembly in Wales, and loses to the Scottish Nationalists in the Scottish Parliament elections.
rwcole @ 182
No, no, no. NO money to be had there. Only people like Pach and other PhD’s get ahead then. That simply won’t do.
GSD @ 162
Jeez, why are we even debating this? Everybody in the Senate had enough information to make an intelligent decision about the IWR. You didn’t have to see any top secret NIEs in a secret room to realize that the whole thing was a tissue of lies and deception. WE figured it out and we weren’t priveleged with any secrets. All that was required was that you paid attention. And it’s also bogus to say that they didn’t know that Bush was really going to go to war. Of COURSE, he was going to war. People who cheat to win elections don’t think about wrecking havoc. They just do it for whatever political gain they can get.
So, the thing that all of this boils down to is that the politicians who voted for the IWR made a political calculation and they thought that either they could benefit from it or that the war would be of short duration.
They were wrong. Some of them have admitted as much and some have not. But please let us not gang up on Durbin and Graham and Rockefeller. Nothing they could have said would have made a damn bit of difference and in that political climate in 2002, it could have gone very badly for them. Everyone has an equal share of blame in this.
(no more nesting of these quotes please-mod)
EvilDrPuma @ 174
Poor Joe is colorblind. He went from blue to red and thinks it’s purple.
Portia.vz at 187
well stated and thank you.
do-si-do @167
From Britland; actually no, we pretty wee knew after the incredible Hutton Enquiry whitwash and BBC bashing that it had all been fixed and got bored.
The end of Blair (hurrah!!!!) may bring a few things to light, as Gordon Brown, his very very likely successor, has to find a way pdq of distancing himnself from the whole Iraq mess or he’s toast at the next General Election
Portia 186,
It’s not about ganging up on anybody, it’s about what pre-war evidence McGovern says he has and why Durbin’s sudden revelation. You are right about the climate at the time. Think about the climate now and why some of them may have had to keep quiet (Repubs and Dems) who knew going to war was wrong and based on lies, but had to rubberstamp to save their asses….think about it.
NARRATOR: In early October, Tenet delivered the hastily produced NIE. This was the top secret NIE. Much of the evidence was outdated, from the 1990s. There were four or five new allegations. The aluminum tubes, mobile biological, chemical and nuclear programs were alleged. And there were some footnotes where technical disagreements were aired.
VINCENT CANNISTRARO: The CIA’s assessment was sheep-herded by a national intelligence officer who works very closely with the vice president’s office. It’s a flawed fatally flawed document, and it should never had seen the light of day.
DAVID KAY: When I read the NIE, I thought they were protecting sources and methods and trying to paint just an adequate job to get past the vote, that there must be more there. When I read it in 2003, after I took this responsibility there’s an old Peggy Lee song that I like that came to mind, “If That’s All There Is.”
NARRATOR: The NIE was kept in a locked room where Congress could read it, but few did. In mid-October, they voted overwhelmingly in favor of the Iraqi war resolution
from Frontline - the Darth Side
transcript link
just rereading it all again this morning shows Tenet to be lying about his lying X~(
Damn Try “well” for “wee” in 190
Ralph @ 118
I, too, am just stunned at the lemming-like nature of Republicans in power who just can’t let go of this war thing. Sean Hannity’s wild-eyed conspiracies about George Soros are no match for the apparently hypnotic effect of tired, worn-out old phrasings about defeat and cut-and-run and terrr & fear 24/7 being repeated over and over again in deference to a deluded leader. Check the back of their necks for implant scars.
And neocons, don’t get me started. If ever a group with grandiose foreign policy theories completely divorced from reality were discredited as being wrong about every single stinkin’ thing they’ve said, I don’t know what. And yet they still get the megaphone on the tubes. And I guess if Bill Kristol had to address William F. Buckley, he’d start out with that trademark shiny, pasty-faced smirk and grinning, condescending tone that says, “old man, you’re just out of touch.” Indeed.
But, as Jane noted in the linked post, we are now at the “then they fight you” stage, so we’re gettin’ there. And believe me, watching the right wing crumble gives me such a nice, warm, fuzzy feeling inside, I could almost toast marshmellows over my belly.
Why Gonzo is lookin better and better ta ol Clusterfuck:
Former Democratic Rep. Elizabeth Holtzman, who sat on the House Judiciary Committee that investigated Nixon prior to his resignation, says President Bush may be sticking with embattled Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to avoid a confirmation hearing for his replacement.
“All this is reminiscent of the Watergate scandal,” Holtzman writes in Tuesday’s Los Angeles Times. “In 1973, as the cover-up was unraveling, the Senate imposed a condition on the confirmation of President Nixon’s nominee for attorney general, Elliot Richardson. Richardson’s predecessor had resigned because of Watergate troubles. Concerned that the Justice Department would not get at the truth, the Senate insisted that Richardson would name a special prosecutor to investigate Watergate. Richardson duly appointed Archibald Cox.”
Holtzman said the Senate could use confirmation hearings to investigate whether administration officials miscarried justice in firing US Attorneys on what Democrats say was largely political ground. Those hearings would serve the same role as the Watergate-era special prosecutor’s investigation, Holtzman says, adding that the Senate “also might use the opportunity to probe the Justice Department’s role in mistreatment of detainees, four years of flouting the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and other serious matters.”
Biodun @ 16
The kids did an analysis of that last night in YouThinkLeft.
Chetnolian @ 190
Thanks for this…our MSM is pretty celebrity driven and Harry is what got through my distracted head…
STTP in Ohio @ 113
“Not so bad?” He makes Nixon look like a choirboy.
Chimpy live on MSNBC…
Badwater @ 184
Is he left only with Barney and Laura?
Bush has managed to make Nixon look not so bad.
Incredible, but true!
“Not so bad?” He makes Nixon look like a choirboy.
No way. The same maybe but no worse, IMHO.
twolf1 @ 199
I’m going for a run….
The Chimp will not ruin my day, I hope
rwcole @ 152
And that (the MIC) should be the next object of our undivided attention. It’s sucking all of the financial resources away from everything else and will continue to do so until Congress decides to sack up and slow it down.
You will notice I didn’t say “stop it”, waaaay to much money at stake to ever get a meaningful reduction of military spending anytime soon.
Unfortunately.
Ralph 118,
Consider this: Rove, Norquist, Abramoff, Cunningham, Foggo, MZM, hookers, escorts….lots of dirt out there to keep people in lockstep.
My Take, they are going down slow, fast would be better but I’ll take what I can get..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....mp;search=
I love this from the alleged money men:
Biological anomaly! They are sweating through our thought processes of six years ago. C’mon, guys. The next logical step is to call the doctor.
Just wondering if the DC Madam is a Republican plant, out of her cell to keep all those good ole’ Gop boys in line…working arm in arm with ABC.
Dems keep pushin on Iraq- they are laying a foundation. Shit hits the fan in the fall. By then dems hope ta have the Clusterfuckers painted WAY into the corner. Might work.
But, but, but that just means that The Surge is working! See, they’re getting desperate, see, so they’re fighting back harder . . . and, and, that’s why April has been the bloodiest month and all . . . ummm, yeah, that’s it. The Surge is working, I tells ya’!
Wigwam @ 120
they didn’t take a turn for concervatism they took a turn for fascism
these “neo cons” are NOT extra concervative, they are radical by every single definition
they should never be referred to as “ultra concervative” are extreme
Say what you will about Nixon, at least he was legitimately elected.
ccmask @ 207
And/Or …. is she in the news now in order to distract the Wash press corp from something else??
Sometimes insider gossip seems to confirm what all us outsiders think we’re seeing, so, for what it’s worth. . .we’re hearing that some big money players up from Texas recently paid a visit to their friend in the White House.
snip
Sounds like the Shaking of the Canes to me.
do-si-do @ 119
Comment #50 LINK
Clusterfuck HEARD what americans was sayin in the last election- they was sayin “Clusterfuck- change yer STRATEGY–DO IT DIFFERENT! So he changed his STRATEGY- Now the strategy is SURGE- yeah- I shit you not- his new strategy is SURGE..
What the fuck does that mean? No one knows!!
twolf1 @ 199
c-span2 also (for streaming)
Mandrake says:
May 1st, 2007 at 9:43 am
Ralph @ 118
Makes you wonder why there is not a mass exit stage left.
R.V.N.
dead: 230,000
wounded: 300,000
U.S.
dead: 58,209
wounded: 153,303
R.O.K.
dead: 5,000
wounded: 11,000
Australia
dead: 512
wounded: 2,400*
New Zealand
dead: 37
wounded: 187
DRV/NLF
dead: 1,100,000
wounded: N/A
PRC
dead: 1,100
wounded: 4,200
Civilian dead (total Vietnamese): 900,000–4,000,000
cleter @ 211
OK. Can anyone come up with a single criterion on which Trickie Dickie doesn’t beat Uncurious George?
selise @
216
he seems to be slurring his words again.
“Say what you will about Nixon, at least he was legitimately elected.”
Nixon is often credited with selfless devotion to his country cause he decided not to ask for an investigation into voting irregularities in his loss to Kennedy..
As it turns out- it wasn’t love of country that kept him from asking for an investigation into Chicago voting- it was the certain knowledge that such an investigation would reveal all the cheatin the goopers did in the rest of the state of Illinois.
OT: TPM has some additional information on the Voter Fraud charges leveled against ACORN last year immediately preceding the election. These charges were in direct opposition to DOJ’s long standing policies of not bringing charges near election time. Here is the Link
Schlozman the USA stated that the charges were brought with Senior Justice Officials signing off. The more you look into this, the more ooze that keeps pouring out.
I don’t know where the link is but last night someone linked to the whitehouse website and sure enough, the mission accomplished sign is gone from the archive video. It seems they zoomed it in to make the banner disappear. Histoery rewrites itelf in Bushworld.
twolf1 @ 220
bush sounds like he’s on auto-pilot to me. reading the words, but not really processing the content.
or maybe i’ve just listened to him too much, and it’s frying my few brain cells.
This is what happens when you don’t “have” any experiences: you can’t learn from them.
If someone else has always paid your way, written your term papers, bailed you out of failures, you’ve got problems: you don’t have a trail of experiences to learn from AND you haven’t developed the skill of looking at experiences, evaluating them and learning something before you move on to the next one.
Those of us who’ve parented children know this — the famous “if he forgets to take his lunch to school, DON’T take it there for him. A day going hungry will improve tomorrow’s memory.”
Bush had neither the parents to force him into the rudimentary elements of “growing up” nor the inherent intelligence & self-questioning to attempt those chores himself. He’s always been happy to coast through, and now we’re ALL paying the price!!
[Every time I see that frat-boy/cheerleader sneer on his face, I want to puke. Even his “analysis” of Iraq reminds me a of simplistic high school cheer: “Victory, victory is our cry. V-I-C-T-O-R-Y. Victory! Victory! Victory!!!]
ccmask @ 223
Somebody should ask about that at the next press conference.
Adie says:
May 1st, 2007 at 8:34 am
That was nice Adie..thanks
Asked how he knew that the surge was workin- Clusterfuck said: “Cause it HAS to”..
Clusterfuck attended a different logic class from the rest of us.
Say what you will about Nixon, at least he actually served out his hitch in the military.
bush - “failure in iraq should be unacceptable to the civilized world”
me - yeah. we tried telling you that…. remember feb 15, 2003?
Oh, dear, my eyes are so old. On first reading I thought you said “just a hiccup in our pants.”
That would kinda describe the situation though, wouldn’t it?
Has Stupie McFuckwit dusted off his veto stamp yet?
I have been busy and can’t follow today.
selise @
230
He almost screwed that line up. He stumbled over it: “failure in Iraq should be unsuccess… uh, unacceptable to the civilized world (heh heh heh)”
One of the major problems with Bush is his lack of intelligence. He drives us into a ditch without fully comprehending what his actions cause. But that lack of intelligence was apparent before he ran for president. He was drafted, maybe BECAUSE of it, because he could be manipulated by the neocons. It turned out like the magicians apprentice, the ghost they called is now harming all of us.
Nixon is never far from us—–He came back as Cheney!
Say what you will about Nixon, at least he’s paying his penance now in the fiery fires of Hellfire.
Nixon was a swell fella- made his mark by falsely accusin people of bein commies. Nice guy!
fyi - 2:30 this afternoon, ET. the senate intelligence committee has a hearing on, “Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Modernization“
not much info on the committee website. but, it’s scheduled to be on c-span3 at 2:30pm ET today.
from c-span:
cbl, this morning, had some good background here. sounds like it could be important.
New thread going.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200...../#comments
Nixon was the sort a guy most americans would like ta have a fifth of whiskey with.
I’m at work watching with no sound. Bush is wandering around. He looks lost and confused.
Is that a correct interpretation of what’s going on?
If Hil says the first thing she’ll do is end the war…she’s the new Nixon. Beware of that. BTW - some wiki info says he never said secret plan explictitly…but would end the war ‘in six months’ then pleaded with Quakers (his own homeys) for ‘SIX MORE MONTHS’ etc…
Nixon v. Bush…ask the Supremes who wins that one. I’m calling it a draw. I suppose you could give Nixon ‘credit’ for starting the ball rolling…
Oh. How legitimate is an election when the favorite son is assassinated in June, just after taking the Cal primary?
twolf1 @ 233
Mark Crispin Miller has a theory about when bush stumbles in his speech.
Neil at 52 — We have some racist trolls who like to post anti-semitic nastiness couched in anti-A*pac screeds. Unfortunately, they have figured out how to use a rolling IP, so we have had to add the word and several variations on that theme into the filters in order to prevent the comments from popping up. It’s tough on the mods to have to pull out individual comments one by one, and this eases the burden on them and on the blog in preventing some truly horrifyingly nasty and vile comments from getting through to the front page. It is the only way we have figured out how to mod this at the moment, and since it causes only a short pause to free up comments that don’t fit into that category, that’s how we chosen to keep the comments section free of bile on this. We’ve explained it several times before, but it’s always worth a reminder on this. Thanks for asking.
rwcole @ 237
Same tactics, different scapegoats.
What a fabulous post! Thanks Christy.
Long, long reader. Very little poster but I just had to add:
“Their disrespect ticks me off, but it is emblematic of their inherent mistrust and disdain for anyone that isn’t inside the loyal crony cadre.”
Uhmmm… I think those not inside the cadre include ALL of us .. the big us as in the electorate. I think the disdain you point out is the root of the horrifically undemocratic streak that runs through most Rubugs and has reached (I hope) it’s peak with the Bushies. They really, truly don’t like democracy. It opens you up to consorting with all sorts of “not us” folks.
oldtree @
49
Buckley clearly shows that he missed the advanced Chapters that relate to Roman History.
The Roman Empire was “co-opted” by Christianity (or perhaps Christianity was co-opted by Rome. But in any case the EMPIRE actually continued on for quite some time after the Christians took over. In fact, Christianity thrived in such a church-state relationship.
What caused Rome to fall was the same issue all empires must confront…it was subservient to expansionism to maintain the system. Rome was incapable of the internal productivity that would preserve the system. Consequently it had to allow Christianized satraps (usually of the Arian branch of the faith) to manage things along the borders. These satraps later rebelled and attacked Rome. By then Rome was already the lesser aspect of the Roman Empire, though. Power had shifted to Byzantium?Constantinople.
But Romes collapse was one where one branch of Christianity turned against another (or at least the institutional trappings of the other). Some 700 years later it was Constantinople and Byzantium that was to face this same situation. During the Crusades they were besewt with Crusaders who attacked their cities, and even entered looted and burned sections of Constantinople in riots.
This weakened the Byzantine state so much that it was later to fall under the “protection” of the Ottomans. Indeed this was a voluntary alignment where Christian and Jewish communities were given protection. That certainly didn’t please the Western Popes, but it did keep the looting Crusaders away from the city!
to see the final Senate vote on the authorization to use force in Iraq, see:
http://www.senate.gov/legislat.....vote=00237
Dems on the 2000 Itelligence committee were:
Graham (Chairman)(Nay)
Levin (Nay)
Rockefeller(Yea)
Feinstien (Yea)
Wyden (Nay)
Durbin (Nay)
Bayh (Yea)
Edwards (Yea)
Mikulski (Nay)
oddmommy @
68
It’s telling that Will doesn’t seem to think that Eisenhower was a “real Republican”. In fact, few of the Regan?bush ilk types seem to refer to him as one of their “great Presidents” whereas historians almost always have a more favorable opinion. In fact, Republicans are almost more likely to talk about Truman. But maybe that’sd because they always hope that Bush will make a great turn-around in his ratings and win the next Presidential campaign the same way he won his first two… ;-)
LS @
100
You may be onto something here! Some of the documents that were used where from 1989…which could mean that they were prepared to justify going into Baghdad during the first Gulf War. But we also have to remember that there were also documents drawn from the Iraqi’s Ambassador to the Vatican who visited in 1999, as well as the names of Nigerien Ministers in 2000-01.
I recall that our expert on the Niger docs, eRiposte has substantiated that these docs were being hawked to the French and British by late 2001. That suggests that it’s likely that there was even a pre-9/11 genesis to the plans to develop these documents.
Whoever did this had to know that a) Niger had yellowcake (something that your average yahoo wouldn’t); b) that the Iraqi Ambassador had travelled to Niger in 1979 (so that his travel docs and references to his trip could be swiped); c) had to know that the Bush Administration would by wanting (or was to be supplied with) ammunition to attack Iraq rather than Iran or some other nation. ALL before 9/11 (which actually threw the focus OFF Iraq/Iran/Syria/NK).
Christy, you say the Bushites have disdain for the political opposition, which is true. But their deepest contempt is for their own followers, people so stupid they can’t perceive reality if it knocks them down and sits on their chest. Who could respect people who fall for such blatant lies?
LS @
191
See, here’s where we differ. Just because they couldn’t say what they knew, there was nothing stopping anyone from saying that going into Iraq was a stupid idea because of the instability of the country and that Iraq hadn’t attacked us. No one had to rubberstamp this resolution, least of all Hillary Clinton. She was in no danger of losing a seat. I think she approved it because she needed the AIPAC money and she didn’t want to piss off donors. That’s why she keeps repeating that mantra about “if I knew then what I know now”.
Please.
Does anyone really believe it? No, Durbin and Feingold and Graham voted against and the world did not tremble, open up and swallow them. What would have happened if the IWR hadn’t passed? I dunno. The world will never know but coming early in Bush’s presidency, it might have made him think twice about how far his bullying excesses could go.
“I generally just shake my head at the fact that he and the rest of his political minions think that Americans are too stupid to see through their lies and con games.”
Well not yet, but let’s hope…
dakine01 @
78
Some folks have years of experience in doing a job. Others have one year of experience repeated many times
An elementary school teacher once descirbed a “problem” child she had in her class as “every day is like his first day in school.”
I know this is EPU’ed, but I just realized what the Democrats should put into the next Iraqi War funding bill they send to the Preznit.
The following Benchmark, and only Benchmark, should be that once the Iraqi Oil Law is enacted into law by the Iraqi legislature, all U.S. troops and all private contract mercenaries will be gone from Iraq within six months.
What would this accomplish?
First, it would coopt the Republican desire (and their major Western oil company backers) to have the Oil Law passed before the Bush administration does anything to draw down our troops in Iraq. Until this Oil Law becomes ?law? in Iraq, the Bush administration won’t consider anything the Democrats have to say about timetables or whatever. Thus, Democrats should combine the two. This will put Bush between a rock and a hard place. If he vetos the next spending bill, he’ll also be saying that the Oil Law being passed really isn’t that important to him and his crony oil pals…when we all know this would be a lie. Thus, he’d be hard pressed to veto this Democratic bill even though it contains a timetable for withdrawal of all of our forces from Iraq, both the official and unofficial.
Second, the Iraqis will know of this law and it’s provisions once passed and signed into law by Bush, so they will immediately pass the Oil Law, no matter how much, in the short term, it represents the theft of Iraqi oil revenue. Why? Because once U.S. forces are gone, then they can fight it out to see who will eventually gain control of Iraq’s oil wealth, and I really doubt that this Bush-backed Iraqi Oil Law will last more than a few years.
Therefore, Democrats should tie any timetable for withdrawal to the Iraqis passing the Oil Law. I figure that once Bush, backed into a corner, signs it, all the Iraqis in the Iraqi legislature will return to Baghdad, cutting short their planned two month vacation, and immediately enact the Oil Law. Thus, our troops would be home by the end of this year.
What have Democrats to lose? Bush and Cheney won’t even think of drawing down our troops until that Oil Law is in effect. Thus, including this Oil Law Benchmark in the next spending bill will force Bush’s and Cheney’s hand. And force the Iraqi legislature as well, to get them to pass the Oil Law, even though they know it stinks. Once our troops are gone, though, they can keep it as it is, make adjustments, or blow it off entirely and work out their own oil contracts with whomever they want.
(Unless, of course, the Bush/Cheney plan is to have our troops, and the private mercs, enforce the provisions of the Iraqi Oil War, thus keeping our troops, and the private mercs, in Iraq, well, forever. If this is the case, then Democrats in combining the two, a withdrawal deadline tied to the passage of the Oil Law, should get Bush and Cheney to fess up finally about the real reason they preemptively invaded Iraq. No more BS.).