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	<title>Comments on: General Odom Throws Down On Iraq</title>
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		<title>By: brendan</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/30/general-odom-throws-down-on-iraq/#comment-662463</link>
		<dc:creator>brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 14:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m surprised and encouraged that Pelosi knows of Odom, much less that she asked him to deliver the address.  Everything she’s done so far indicates that she doesn’t wish to take orders from A*P*C.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[&lt;em&gt;*edited by mod&lt;/em&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m surprised and encouraged that Pelosi knows of Odom, much less that she asked him to deliver the address.  Everything she’s done so far indicates that she doesn’t wish to take orders from A*P*C.</p>
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		<title>By: Bluetoe</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/30/general-odom-throws-down-on-iraq/#comment-662232</link>
		<dc:creator>Bluetoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 08:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-661899&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;cinnamonape @ 239 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-661460&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;solai @&lt;br /&gt;
                124              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;IRT Tucker Carlson. He is so bad that it’s the one show I can’t watch on MSNBC. However, he did tell that story about Bush (when he was governor) refusing to hear the requests for the pardon of that woman on death row.&lt;br /&gt;
It was an awful story and made Bush look really cruel. I was surprised when he told it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, that was all some devious strategum to make us believe that that woman really existed. I bet if you check it out you’ll find that no such women is actually in the Texas Prison System TODAY!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Look up Carla Fay Tucker.  Little more research and you’ll find that Bush mocked her pleas to spare her life.  It’s all a matter of public record if you bother to look it up.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-661899"><em>cinnamonape @ 239 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-661460"><em>solai @<br />
                124              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>IRT Tucker Carlson. He is so bad that it’s the one show I can’t watch on MSNBC. However, he did tell that story about Bush (when he was governor) refusing to hear the requests for the pardon of that woman on death row.<br />
It was an awful story and made Bush look really cruel. I was surprised when he told it.</p>
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<p>Of course, that was all some devious strategum to make us believe that that woman really existed. I bet if you check it out you’ll find that no such women is actually in the Texas Prison System TODAY!</p>
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<p>Look up Carla Fay Tucker.  Little more research and you’ll find that Bush mocked her pleas to spare her life.  It’s all a matter of public record if you bother to look it up.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/30/general-odom-throws-down-on-iraq/#comment-661899</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 05:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-661460&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;solai @&lt;br /&gt;
                124              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;IRT Tucker Carlson. He is so bad that it’s the one show I can’t watch on MSNBC. However, he did tell that story about Bush (when he was governor) refusing to hear the requests for the pardon of that woman on death row.&lt;br /&gt;
It was an awful story and made Bush look really cruel. I was surprised when he told it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, that was all some devious strategum to make us believe that that woman really existed. I bet if you check it out you’ll find that no such women is actually in the Texas Prison System TODAY!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-661460"><em>solai @<br />
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<blockquote><p>IRT Tucker Carlson. He is so bad that it’s the one show I can’t watch on MSNBC. However, he did tell that story about Bush (when he was governor) refusing to hear the requests for the pardon of that woman on death row.<br />
It was an awful story and made Bush look really cruel. I was surprised when he told it.</p>
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<p>Of course, that was all some devious strategum to make us believe that that woman really existed. I bet if you check it out you’ll find that no such women is actually in the Texas Prison System TODAY!</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/30/general-odom-throws-down-on-iraq/#comment-661888</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-661449&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;reign_of_leftwing_wilderness_internet_terror @&lt;br /&gt;
                114              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-661431&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Jay @ 96&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Regarding Ray McGovern, I strongly disagree. He’s been writing very honestly and passionately about the Bush administration’s crimes for &lt;b&gt;years&lt;/b&gt; in relative obscurity (Counterpunch.org, TomPaine and CommonDreams.org have been printing his stuff all along) specifically re: how the CIA shirked their responsibility to truth above all else and played the political games around Iraq and more recently Iran. He was one of the first to point directly to the Nuremburg trials regarding a ‘war of aggression’ being the supreme international crime. McGovern also stood up publicly and called Rummy out for his lies (I’ll try to find a link).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t disagree. But it  &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; possible that he’s been fed crappy information or forged documents.&lt;br /&gt;
Even if they’re fake versions of the real thing, as in the &lt;em&gt; 60  Minutes&lt;/em&gt; Texas ANG “scandal”.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Huh? You mean that you really BELIEVE that NIGER OFFICIALS had a real deal with the IRAQI’s…and the fakes are of REAL documents??? With Niger officials from the 1989 Niger Supreme Court, one of who is listed as an Iraqi? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or are they “fakes” of “fakes”?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As has been said before “What sort of wingnuttery is this?”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-661431"><em>Jay @ 96</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Regarding Ray McGovern, I strongly disagree. He’s been writing very honestly and passionately about the Bush administration’s crimes for <b>years</b> in relative obscurity (Counterpunch.org, TomPaine and CommonDreams.org have been printing his stuff all along) specifically re: how the CIA shirked their responsibility to truth above all else and played the political games around Iraq and more recently Iran. He was one of the first to point directly to the Nuremburg trials regarding a ‘war of aggression’ being the supreme international crime. McGovern also stood up publicly and called Rummy out for his lies (I’ll try to find a link).</p>
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<p>I don’t disagree. But it  <em>is</em> possible that he’s been fed crappy information or forged documents.<br />
Even if they’re fake versions of the real thing, as in the <em> 60  Minutes</em> Texas ANG “scandal”.</p>
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<p>Huh? You mean that you really BELIEVE that NIGER OFFICIALS had a real deal with the IRAQI’s…and the fakes are of REAL documents??? With Niger officials from the 1989 Niger Supreme Court, one of who is listed as an Iraqi? </p>
<p>Or are they “fakes” of “fakes”?</p>
<p>As has been said before “What sort of wingnuttery is this?”</p>
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		<title>By: darkblack</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/30/general-odom-throws-down-on-iraq/#comment-661879</link>
		<dc:creator>darkblack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-661511&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Urban Pirate @&lt;br /&gt;
                168              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Darkblack!  You’re even famous-er.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Pshaw&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;:)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;That Joe pic is still hysterical, and of course not one person points out the context of it - which of course was calling attention to Joe Lie’s racism and race-baiting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Right over the head of those dopes. It’s like the red-staters who think colbert is being serious, or that fox is news.  :)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…and not a peep yet from ‘conservatives’ about &lt;a href=&quot;http://jonswift.blogspot.com/2007/04/day-by-days-chris-muir-gives-hillary.html&quot;&gt;Chris Muir&lt;/a&gt; getting &lt;b&gt;paid&lt;/b&gt; to black face Hilary Clinton.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;“Move along, folks…They’re Republicans, it’s OK…”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-661511"><em>Urban Pirate @<br />
                168              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Darkblack!  You’re even famous-er.</p>
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<p><em>Pshaw</em></p>
<p>:)</p>
<blockquote><p>That Joe pic is still hysterical, and of course not one person points out the context of it &#8211; which of course was calling attention to Joe Lie’s racism and race-baiting.</p>
<p>Right over the head of those dopes. It’s like the red-staters who think colbert is being serious, or that fox is news.  :)</p>
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<p>…and not a peep yet from ‘conservatives’ about <a href="http://jonswift.blogspot.com/2007/04/day-by-days-chris-muir-gives-hillary.html">Chris Muir</a> getting <b>paid</b> to black face Hilary Clinton.</p>
<p><em>“Move along, folks…They’re Republicans, it’s OK…”</em></p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-661431&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Jay @&lt;br /&gt;
                96              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Regarding Ray McGovern, I strongly disagree. He’s been writing very honestly and passionately about the Bush administration’s crimes for &lt;b&gt;years&lt;/b&gt; in relative obscurity (Counterpunch.org, TomPaine and CommonDreams.org have been printing his stuff all along) specifically re: how the CIA shirked their responsibility to truth above all else and played the political games around Iraq and more recently Iran. He was one of the first to point directly to the Nuremburg trials regarding a ‘war of aggression’ being the supreme international crime. McGovern also stood up publicly and called Rummy out for his lies (I’ll try to find a link).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think that  they brought him on thinking that he would criticize Tenet. They are desperate for anyone that was “inside” to do that…and in particular, to get the “left” to attack him as well as the right. That would undercut Tenet’s attack on Buscheney.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They didn’t think that the would be hit with a tangential attack on Cheney instead. They got “punked”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-661431"><em>Jay @<br />
                96              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Regarding Ray McGovern, I strongly disagree. He’s been writing very honestly and passionately about the Bush administration’s crimes for <b>years</b> in relative obscurity (Counterpunch.org, TomPaine and CommonDreams.org have been printing his stuff all along) specifically re: how the CIA shirked their responsibility to truth above all else and played the political games around Iraq and more recently Iran. He was one of the first to point directly to the Nuremburg trials regarding a ‘war of aggression’ being the supreme international crime. McGovern also stood up publicly and called Rummy out for his lies (I’ll try to find a link).</p>
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<p>I think that  they brought him on thinking that he would criticize Tenet. They are desperate for anyone that was “inside” to do that…and in particular, to get the “left” to attack him as well as the right. That would undercut Tenet’s attack on Buscheney.</p>
<p>They didn’t think that the would be hit with a tangential attack on Cheney instead. They got “punked”.</p>
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		<title>By: things come undone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/30/general-odom-throws-down-on-iraq/#comment-661817</link>
		<dc:creator>things come undone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maddy comment please we can all learn from each other Heck I just apoligized for my part in a minor Blog war? Flame War? I don’t even know the term for sure. But what I do know is I and everyone here learns from others comments just one good comment can spark a discussion that can take over the blog and help change the world! Bye I’ll check the late night talk later on.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maddy comment please we can all learn from each other Heck I just apoligized for my part in a minor Blog war? Flame War? I don’t even know the term for sure. But what I do know is I and everyone here learns from others comments just one good comment can spark a discussion that can take over the blog and help change the world! Bye I’ll check the late night talk later on.</p>
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		<title>By: things come undone</title>
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		<dc:creator>things come undone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-661520&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;ifthethunderdontgetya @&lt;br /&gt;
                177              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-661501&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Loo Hoo @ 158&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-661483&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;ifthethunderdontgetya @ 143&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-661455&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;things come undone @ 120 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvNRHrKyaX4&quot;&gt;Let’s stop all the fight&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Link doesn’t work…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvNRHrKyaX4&quot;&gt;It works&lt;/a&gt;, youtube requires you to sign off on “not suited for all audiences” statement.  The general public is allowed to cheer for the horror of war, but we need to sign a disclaimer to actually see it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I want bush to watch that nonstop 24 hrs a day in his cell Laura and the twins too! Sorry If I’ve been angry today&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-661501"><em>Loo Hoo @ 158</em></a><br />
<a href="#comment-661483"><em>ifthethunderdontgetya @ 143</em></a><br />
<a href="#comment-661455"><em>things come undone @ 120 </em></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvNRHrKyaX4">Let’s stop all the fight</a>.</p>
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<p>Link doesn’t work…</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvNRHrKyaX4">It works</a>, youtube requires you to sign off on “not suited for all audiences” statement.  The general public is allowed to cheer for the horror of war, but we need to sign a disclaimer to actually see it.</p>
<p>I want bush to watch that nonstop 24 hrs a day in his cell Laura and the twins too! Sorry If I’ve been angry today</p>
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		<title>By: Maddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I will be the cows tail. I hope I didn’t come off as a smart ass, my anger over all of this leaks out and I lose my ability to think coherently. It is truly a disaster of humanity no matter how you parse it, and it has to end the sooner the better and thank you for the kind words. I have restricted myself to not commenting much, as it is better I read what others, far better informed than I, have to say.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will be the cows tail. I hope I didn’t come off as a smart ass, my anger over all of this leaks out and I lose my ability to think coherently. It is truly a disaster of humanity no matter how you parse it, and it has to end the sooner the better and thank you for the kind words. I have restricted myself to not commenting much, as it is better I read what others, far better informed than I, have to say.</p>
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		<title>By: things come undone</title>
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		<dc:creator>things come undone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 03:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maddy I’m not sure I’ve seen you here before, so welcome to the Lake your insight is welcome!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maddy I’m not sure I’ve seen you here before, so welcome to the Lake your insight is welcome!</p>
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