Ha! ZED?

you got it!conniptionfit @
1

Ha! ZED?

Secundus?

Damn. Aunt Betsy beat me with the fastest fingers on the net.

Sucks when your political party becomes synonymous with political dirty tricks, lying, incompetence and failure, doesn’t it, GOP bigwigs?

Couldn’t happen to a nicer party :)

I want to thank all of those who watch Teh Talking Heads, so I don’t have to deal with more bouts of verbal vomiting. Mr Conniptionfit has asked that I don’t watch because he fears for my blood pressure and/or sanity. So what was Condi’s major talking point today?

RICE: I think that…uh…an imminent threat? Certainly Iraq posed a threat,

George should have shot back with “No, I asked if Iraq was an imminent threat.”

You have to really watch how they parse their words with this crowd.

noen @ 7

RICE: I think that…uh…an imminent threat? Certainly Iraq posed a threat,

George should have shot back with “No, I asked if Iraq was an imminent threat.”

You have to really watch how they parse their words with this crowd.

Could have even played a clip of her talking about the mushroom cloud.

Happy Sunday Aunt Betsy! She’s a beaut!

“Actions have consequences and, at the moment, the idiotic, craptastic actions of the Bush Administration are having dire consequences”

I believe that for Cheney & Bush their Iraq war is having desired con$equences. They and they cronies are getting filthy richer off the blood of other humans.

conniptionfit @ 9

Happy Sunday Aunt Betsy! She’s a beaut!

Happy Sunday to you too!

Christy,

Thank you so much for the Tribute to Joni Mitchell recommendation. It is fantastic!

From WaPo (by way of TPM):

The Post profiles the DC Madam, and ABC’s Brian Ross has the goods:

More revelations are in the offing. Ross said the list includes the names of some “very prominent people,” as well as a number of women with “important and serious jobs” who had worked as escorts for the firm.

Oh, please, please let it be Natasha.

I wish she would just dispense with this charade.

They lied. They’ve been caught.

Stop trying to keep alive the “threat” meme, Condi.

It’s over. America has woken up.

CHS; “Sucks when your political party becomes synonymous with political dirty tricks, lying, incompetence and failure, doesn’t it, GOP bigwigs?”

See “British Conservative Party, 1997″. Or rather, don’t, for the next ten years.

I didn’t watch MTP this morning but it has been reported that Rice said something about writing a book and that we can all read it then. If this is true, that is the most infuriating thing I’ve ever heard. Henry, did you hear that? She can’t report to you cuz it might hurt her book sales.

George @ 14

I wish she would just dispense with this charade.

They lied. They’ve been caught.

Stop trying to keep alive the “threat” meme, Condi.

It’s over. America has woken up.

And they have no credibility…on anything.

Loo Hoo @ 12

Christy,

Thank you so much for the Tribute to Joni Mitchell recommendation. It is fantastic!

I remember when it came out, biggest selling record ever. You know… they used to encode music on these vinyl discs and you decoded them by putting a diamond tipped needle in the grooves. yeah, weird, I know, but that’s how it was done. Then I rode my horse to school….

;)

noen @ 6

RICE: I think that…uh…an imminent threat? Certainly Iraq posed a threat,

George should have shot back with “No, I asked if Iraq was an imminent threat.”

You have to really watch how they parse their words with this crowd.

A sunny day can pose a threat as can a rainy one, and those can be imminent threats, a sunburn or a ruined cookout. Perhaps we should have invaded the weather, at least if we use Condi’s logic or lack thereof.

PeteCO @ 15

CHS; “Sucks when your political party becomes synonymous with political dirty tricks, lying, incompetence and failure, doesn’t it, GOP bigwigs?”

See “British Conservative Party, 1997″. Or rather, don’t, for the next ten years.

We can only hope.

snark_in_upstate @ 12

From WaPo (by way of TPM):

The Post profiles the DC Madam, and ABC’s Brian Ross has the goods:

More revelations are in the offing. Ross said the list includes the names of some “very prominent people,” as well as a number of women with “important and serious jobs” who had worked as escorts for the firm.

Oh, please, please let it be Natasha.

Ooohh, man, it would be just too easy….. it just writes itself, doesn’t it?

Christy,

Thank you for watching, so I don’t have to — and then wrapping the package up in the most attractive snark I can imagine.

“But then again, what did you expect when you sold your party’s soul for a few pieces of K Street silver and bought a fetid turdblossom in a poke with it? ”

Really, that made my morning and afternoon!

Thanks!

noen @ 18

Loo Hoo @ 12

Christy,

Thank you so much for the Tribute to Joni Mitchell recommendation. It is fantastic!

I remember when it came out, biggest selling record ever. You know… they used to encode music on these vinyl discs and you decoded them by putting a diamond tipped needle in the grooves. yeah, weird, I know, but that’s how it was done. Then I rode my horse to school….

;)

You had a horse?! Damn, I had to walk uphill both ways through the snow.

Chickens, meet roost.

Condi just layed a big egg and Waxman is about to fry it. Overhard please Henry!!

In the DC Madam scandal there are supposedly officers in the military who offered their “services” as fantasy “escorts”. Many many heads are going to roll before this is over. Sure like how the Bushies have brought back honor and decency to politics huh?

DrDick @ 22

noen @ 18

Loo Hoo @ 12

I remember when it came out, biggest selling record ever. You know… they used to encode music on these vinyl discs and you decoded them by putting a diamond tipped needle in the grooves. yeah, weird, I know, but that’s how it was done. Then I rode my horse to school….

;)

You had a horse?! Damn, I had to walk uphill both ways through the snow.

In the dark!!

What I would like a talking head to ask Rice is “Did Bush say he wanted to bomb Al Jazeera at the April 2004 meeting with Blair?”

Rice was there.

At the current memo trial defense layers ask:

“If there is a discussion between world leaders — no matter how illegal or morally abhorrent aspects of the discussion may be — may that illegality or abhorrence affect whether the cloak of confidentiality should apply?” Tedd asked.

Powell, who was also there, punted with a non-denial denial. Don’t know if Waxman can get that memo. But it sure would be nice to know that our President didn’t plan an aggressive act of war.

The GOP is headed for destruction as a national party..the downside is that there are two carrier battle groups in or near the Gulf and Bush is a cornered psychopath. Hopefully, Rove’s scorched earth policy isn’t Iranian earth.

AZ Matt @ 24

Chickens, meet roost.

Condi just layed a big egg and Waxman is about to fry it. Overhard please Henry!!

Burn that sucker!

noen @ 25

In the DC Madam scandal there are supposedly officers in the military who offered their “services” as fantasy “escorts”. Many many heads are going to roll before this is over. Sure like how the Bushies have brought back honor and decency to politics huh?

And you wonder why they confiscated her files??

solai at 16 — That was apparently on CNN’s Late Edition this morning and not MtP, which was Condi-free today. I didn’t catch it, but I’ve gotten several e-mails on it — am waiting to see if anyone grabbed a clip.

Condi “mushroom cloud” Rice is coming undone!

noen @ 18

Loo Hoo @ 12

Christy,

Thank you so much for the Tribute to Joni Mitchell recommendation. It is fantastic!

I remember when it came out, biggest selling record ever. You know… they used to encode music on these vinyl discs and you decoded them by putting a diamond tipped needle in the grooves. yeah, weird, I know, but that’s how it was done. Then I rode my horse to school….

;)

Oh yes. I had all the Joni Mitchell on vinyl and listened and sang along! This is a new one with others singing her songs. I particularly like Emmylou Harris, Prince, Annie Lennox, Sarah McLachlan and Elvis Costello.

Please contact Bill Moyers and encourage him to do a present time documentary on how the MSM has allowed the “cakewalk in Iraq” liars to repeat unsubstantiated claims about Iran for the last three years.

Ask Moyers to do a show on Iran and the media. Why has the MSM allowed the claims about an “alleged” nuclear weapons program to go mostly unchallenged. (Chris Matthews has been consistently challenging these claims). The rest of the MSM allows the unsubstantiated claims to be repeated over and over again.

Polls report that 70% of Americans now believe that Iran posesses nuclear weapons instead of a nuclear energy program. This belief did not happen via osmosis.

Please contact Bill Moyers so that he does a show NOW on the media and Iran not in two years after the Bush administration pre-emptively attacks Iran! Moyers can help stop aN illegal, and immoral pre-emptive strike on Iran by digging for the truth instead of repeating the “cakewalk in Iraq” liars inflammatory rhetoric about Iran.

CONTACT MOYERS
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour…..dback.html

This is a great article and I agree with it to some degree. Moyers did not mention how much anti-invasion info was on the web, and did not show very much coverage of the anti-invasion marches( we know the MSM did not)
http://www.axisoflogic.com/art…..4430.shtml

snark_in_upstate @ 13

From WaPo (by way of TPM):

The Post profiles the DC Madam, and ABC’s Brian Ross has the goods:

More revelations are in the offing. Ross said the list includes the names of some “very prominent people,” as well as a number of women with “important and serious jobs” who had worked as escorts for the firm.

Oh, please, please let it be Natasha.

Heh! I’ve been begging for Boris to be on the client list.

And with Newtie the Lobbyist being such a horndog, it’s an even-money bet he’s on the list, too.

As for Condi: She’s still trying to pretend that nobody warned her of the pressing need to deal with Al Qaeda, eh? Geez, Al Franken busted her ass years ago in the “Operation Ignore” chapter of Lies and the Lying Liars that Tell Them.

Do note that while Condi’s making the rounds of the Sunday Talks spewing this crap, she doesn’t dare say it under oath before Congress.

snark_in_upstate @ 13

From WaPo (by way of TPM):

The Post profiles the DC Madam, and ABC’s Brian Ross has the goods:

More revelations are in the offing. Ross said the list includes the names of some “very prominent people,” as well as a number of women with “important and serious jobs” who had worked as escorts for the firm.

Oh, please, please let it be Natasha.

So you did change your name, eh?

solai @
16

I didn’t watch MTP this morning but it has been reported that Rice said something about writing a book and that we can all read it then. If this is true, that is the most infuriating thing I’ve ever heard. Henry, did you hear that? She can’t report to you cuz it might hurt her book sales.

When I read about that on an earlier thread, I proposed a NEW RULE for Maher: Public officials CANNOT withhold information pertinent to the public need for information for the after office books.

Christy!

Actual facts and the free flow of information are the enemy of this administration - and we’ve got the best seats in the house - we’re witnessing the trickle of the Truth become a steady stream.

Oversight is a beautiful thing…

Peter Co 216

One of our signs said 650,ooo dead Iraqis, 2 million Iraqi refugees! DO YOU CARE?
As people drove by many big trucks with one person in them, people either looked at us with blank stares or looked away. I think if I were from another country and I saw people drawing blanks, yelling out “Iraqi’s are not people anyway” or ” go nuke them all”. It would confirm once and for all why you should fear Americans. The Bush administration has done their very best to dehumanize Muslim populations.

I have talked with quite a few soldiers returning from Iraq who are from southeastern Ohio. When you are patient enough you can find out that they are not proud of how they have knocked down doors in Iraq or how they have treated the Iraqi people. I think the Iraqi people have been incredibly mistreated by some of our soldiers, and many of our soldiers are going to be reluctant to talk about this honestly!

Didn’t ANY of the so called journalists ask Condi what she’s doing about Waxmans’ subpoena?

noen @ 25

In the DC Madam scandal there are supposedly officers in the military who offered their “services” as fantasy “escorts”. Many many heads are going to roll before this is over. Sure like how the Bushies have brought back honor and decency to politics huh?

Some people are downright giddy that the Bush Administration is about to be ensnared in another scandal. But I would remind them that nothing is more bipartisan than sexual indiscretion.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

DrDick @ 23

You had a horse?! Damn, I had to walk uphill both ways through the snow.

I really did. Coco, she was a quater/thoroughbred mix. I trained her and rode her. She threw me once, got right back on. Feisty though, very hard to handle.

It seems that “the base” isn’t holding so steady afterall, and that Karl’s stroll through the cesspool political tactics manual has come up with a fundraising goose egg.

And yet here’s Rassmussen, with Bush approval right back up to 41%.

Rassmussen has contended that having a larger number of Bush deadenders in his sample doesn’t matter, since the same trends will be seen as in other polls. How long can he cling to that fig leaf (or vice versa, heh!).

Steve @ 28

The GOP is headed for destruction as a national party..the downside is that there are two carrier battle groups in or near the Gulf and Bush is a cornered psychopath. Hopefully, Rove’s scorched earth policy isn’t Iranian earth.

That’s why Nicholas Kristof’s NYT column today is so important: He spills the beans on how the Iranian moderates in 2003 came to Bush to cut a peace deal, but Bush’s PNAC Platoon goons nixed it – an act which led to the downfall of the mods.

Oh, for the love of God. Iraq was not a threat to the US. Saddam was no more threatening than any other unpleasant dictator. What, did he have swarms of invisible landing craft poised to deliver his massive clone army to our shores? No.

At the risk of sounding heretical—-terrorism isn’t that big a threat, either. Yes, 9/11 was a tragedy. But if you double the 9/11 death toll, you have a number that is ONE TENTH as many people as die annually in traffic accidents. Terrorism is as big a threat to our way of life as drunk driving. It’s a bad thing. But it is not a WWII style defining conflict of our lifetimes. And we didn’t react to drunk driving with a poorly conceived military invasion and occupation of Tennesse to shut down the Jack Daniels distillery.

We need to reframe this terrorosm bulls**t.

moeman @ 10

I believe that for Cheney & Bush their Iraq war is having desired con$equences. They and they cronies are getting filthy richer off the blood of other humans.

I agree. All the actions of this administration have had enrichment of its members and corporate friends as its primary objective.

noen @ 42

DrDick @ 23

You had a horse?! Damn, I had to walk uphill both ways through the snow.

I really did. Coco, she was a quater/thoroughbred mix. I trained her and rode her. She threw me once, got right back on. Feisty though, very hard to handle.

Actually, many of my friends (mostly female ones) had horses when I was growing up (this was in Oklahoma after all), buit none of them actually rode them to school. As we lived in a town of about 30,000, I do not think the police would have approved (there actually were laws on the books which prohibited tying up you horse on main street).

Steve @ 28

The GOP is headed for destruction as a national party..the downside is that there are two carrier battle groups in or near the Gulf and Bush is a cornered psychopath. Hopefully, Rove’s scorched earth policy isn’t Iranian earth.

I doubt the GOP as a whole is going the way of the dodo. But hopefully the neo-con, anti separation of church and state group is. We need reasoned opposing ideas.

OT but big new in the San Fran Bay area. Check out the photos:

Tanker fire destroys part of MacArthur Maze
2 freeways closed near Bay Bridge

Peter Fimrite and Demian Bulwa, Chronicle Staff Writer

Sunday, April 29, 2007

(04-29) 09:24 PDT OAKLAND — The heat of a dramatic gasoline tanker fire destroyed an overpass and closed two major roadways in the MacArthur Maze at the East Bay access to the Bay Bridge early this morning.

A section of the roadway taking traffic from the Bay Bridge onto eastbound Interstate 580 fell onto the connector that brings East Bay traffic from Interstate 80 to Interstate 880 southbound toward Oakland and San Jose.

Lanes of 580 near the East Bay Municipal Utility District sewage treatment plant at the maze are draped like a blanket over the northeast edge of the freeway below with the corner tip touching the ground below that.

Was Rice arrogant and dismissive before she was in the Bush administration?

Is it legal to not respond to a subpoena? What will they do next in regard to Rice?

http://www.federalnewsradio.co.....id=1125826

Zee @ 48

Steve @ 28

The GOP is headed for destruction as a national party..the downside is that there are two carrier battle groups in or near the Gulf and Bush is a cornered psychopath. Hopefully, Rove’s scorched earth policy isn’t Iranian earth.

I doubt the GOP as a whole is going the way of the dodo. But hopefully the neo-con, anti separation of church and state group is. We need reasoned opposing ideas.

Yeah, I am also not quite so sanguine about the imminent extinct of the Rethuglicans (though I can fantasize). There are still a lot of pre-Neanderthals out there.

The view here is that Secretary Rice has been getting more or less a free ride for far too long. As to the reasons for this I can only guess. This individual is no better than the rest of the Bush mob. I have disliked this unprincipled person’s act for a long time. Intensely so.

ifthethunderdontgetya @ 43

It seems that “the base” isn’t holding so steady afterall, and that Karl’s stroll through the cesspool political tactics manual has come up with a fundraising goose egg.

And yet here’s Rassmussen, with Bush approval right back up to 41%.

Rassmussen has contended that having a larger number of Bush deadenders in his sample doesn’t matter, since the same trends will be seen as in other polls. How long can he cling to that fig leaf (or vice versa, heh!).

Geez. Rasmussen’s a GOP pollster, but he usually doesn’t fudge more than 2% in favor of the Republican side of things, and he’s predictable in his fudging (unlike other polls which are all over the map); if you know to automatically shave 2% off the GOP side and give it to the Democratic side, you’ll get a pretty close approximation of reality.

For him to be racheting up the fudging means that he must be getting tons of flak from the RNC and/or other folks.

DrDick @ 47

Actually, many of my friends (mostly female ones) had horses when I was growing up (this was in Oklahoma after all), buit none of them actually rode them to school. As we lived in a town of about 30,000, I do not think the police would have approved (there actually were laws on the books which prohibited tying up you horse on main street).

I meant that I really did have a horse. Sorry I wasn’t clear. No I couldn’t have rode her into town to school, that was ten miles away. But I did have to milk the Guernsey and chop wood for the wood burning stove.

Juan Cole on CNN, All!

Juan Cole being interviewed on CNN right now.

Steve @ 28

The GOP is headed for destruction as a national party..the downside is that there are two carrier battle groups in or near the Gulf and Bush is a cornered psychopath. Hopefully, Rove’s scorched earth policy isn’t Iranian earth.

Psychopaths seem to run in crowds these days. Kristol, Woolsey, Feith, Cheney, Wolfowitz Bush, Frum, Bolton, Wurmser’s. The devil is going to have to build a new wing,when the earth is blessed to seem them go!

noen @ 54

DrDick @ 47

Actually, many of my friends (mostly female ones) had horses when I was growing up (this was in Oklahoma after all), buit none of them actually rode them to school. As we lived in a town of about 30,000, I do not think the police would have approved (there actually were laws on the books which prohibited tying up you horse on main street).

I meant that I really did have a horse. Sorry I wasn’t clear. No I couldn’t have rode her into town to school, that was ten miles away. But I did have to milk the Guernsey and chop wood for the wood burning stove.

Sounds bucolic. Unfortunately, I also have done that on my grandfather’s farm as a youth and know it is actually hard assed work.

Christy Hardin Smith @ 56

Juan Cole being interviewed on CNN right now.

Link?

kathleen at 59 — No link — he’s on TV.

Sorry, Christy! Just wanted to make sure everyone saw it. I was overly exited.

Zee @ 48

Steve @ 28

The GOP is headed for destruction as a national party..the downside is that there are two carrier battle groups in or near the Gulf and Bush is a cornered psychopath. Hopefully, Rove’s scorched earth policy isn’t Iranian earth.

I doubt the GOP as a whole is going the way of the dodo. But hopefully the neo-con, anti separation of church and state group is. We need reasoned opposing ideas.

Yes we do. Liberal vs Progressives sounds reasoned to me.

;)

Hoosierville — No apology necessary — you beat me to the punch. *g*

Cnn is stepping out! Maybe they will have Flynt Leverett and Scott Ritter on. Go Juan Cole (one of my heroes)

So many little steaming piles left behind by Turdblossom, it is sometimes difficult to see the individual piles through the rising steam before you step in one. But Abramoff and his machine pre-dated Rove and his. The aide shared by Jack Abramoff and Don Young, Mark Zachares, who copped a plea last week to a conspiracy with Abramoff, is making Rep. Don Young feel nervous, to say the least.

The info Zachares is sharing with the Feds on the blocking of legislation by Young to bring workers’ rights to the slaves in the Commonwealth of the Northern Marianas WILL topple Young. If not soon, certainly in the 2008 election.

This makes for a great Sunday for ET, as I’ve been predicting this would happen and chastising Alaska reporters over their timidity on investigating Young’s criminality since late last summer.

Army chief wants to speed up troop hike
Gen. Casey pushes accelerated plan to boost number of active duty soldiers

SCHOFIELD BARRACKS, Hawaii - The Army’s new chief of staff said Saturday he wants to accelerate by two years a plan to increase the nation’s active duty soldiers by 65,000.

The Army has set 2012 as its target date for a force expansion to 547,000 troops, but Gen. George Casey said he told his staff to have the soldiers ready earlier.

“I said that’s too long. Go back and tell me what it would take to get it done faster,” he said in an interview with The Associated Press during a stop in Hawaii.

I think Glenn Greenwald’s right about their being a sea-change….even in the msm. *g*…and make that a big s**t-eating one.

Texas Betsy @
8

noen @ 7

George should have shot back with “No, I asked if Iraq was an imminent threat.”

You have to really watch how they parse their words with this crowd.

Could have even played a clip of her talking about the mushroom cloud.

George gets his marching orders from teh timmeh ……

So, which 2008 GOP primary candidate is Rove going to work for? Newt? He seems like a Newt kind of guy.

Or is he going to wait until there’s a nominee, and go work for whoever that is?

noen @ 25
In the DC Madam scandal there are supposedly officers in the military who offered their “services” as fantasy “escorts”. Many many heads are going to roll before this is over. Sure like how the Bushies have brought back honor and decency to politics huh?

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Cozumel @ 41

Some people are downright giddy that the Bush Administration is about to be ensnared in another scandal. But I would remind them that nothing is more bipartisan than sexual indiscretion.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

I wouldn’t worry too much. The Bushies have had eight years to sweep out as many Democrats as possible from government posts, much to the detriment of governmental functions. Besides, few DC Democratic civil servants can afford $275 an hour for a 90-minute minimum, which is what Palfrey charged. You have to be a lobbyist (hi, Newt!) or a prominent lawyer (hi, Joey DiGenova!) to afford that kind of expense on a regular basis.

Note that while White House officials have been mentioned as being on the list, no current members of Congress have been. And even if a former Clintonite’s name appears, nobody aside from the wingers will care, as that was a decade ago or more: The dude’s not in power NOW and hasn’t been for years.

Steve @ 28

The GOP is headed for destruction as a national party..the downside is that there are two carrier battle groups in or near the Gulf and Bush is a cornered psychopath.

This really scares me to death.

Phoenix Woman @ 35

Do note that while Condi’s making the rounds of the Sunday Talks spewing this crap, she doesn’t dare say it under oath before Congress.

I was skipping around among the talking heads but couldn’t bear to listen to her. Strange that apparently none of the interviewers pointed this out.

DrDick @ 58

noen @ 54

DrDick @ 47

I meant that I really did have a horse. Sorry I wasn’t clear. No I couldn’t have rode her into town to school, that was ten miles away. But I did have to milk the Guernsey and chop wood for the wood burning stove.

Sounds bucolic. Unfortunately, I also have done that on my grandfather’s farm as a youth and know it is actually hard assed work.

We had a hobby farm. My father remembering his boyhood in Iowa I guess. And we only had the wood stove for a short time while our real house was being built. And we had a pneumatic milker and only the one cow. So… it was still nice growing up in that kind of environment. Now I live downtown Minneapolis and have to deal with drunks and gangbangers… oh well.

Phoenix Woman @ 53

ifthethunderdontgetya @ 43

It seems that “the base” isn’t holding so steady afterall, and that Karl’s stroll through the cesspool political tactics manual has come up with a fundraising goose egg.

And yet here’s Rassmussen, with Bush approval right back up to 41%.

Rassmussen has contended that having a larger number of Bush deadenders in his sample doesn’t matter, since the same trends will be seen as in other polls. How long can he cling to that fig leaf (or vice versa, heh!).

Geez. Rasmussen’s a GOP pollster, but he usually doesn’t fudge more than 2% in favor of the Republican side of things, and he’s predictable in his fudging (unlike other polls which are all over the map); if you know to automatically shave 2% off the GOP side and give it to the Democratic side, you’ll get a pretty close approximation of reality.

For him to be racheting up the fudging means that he must be getting tons of flak from the RNC and/or other folks.

Not to make too much of it, but Rasmussen has been on average (IIRC) about five points higher on Bush’s approval rating than the median of the other polls. The excuse is that he uses a “likely voter” model and that Republicans are much more likely to vote.

Beautiful sand dune photo Christy. Reminds me of the Sand Dunes in southern Colorado.

http://www.greatsanddunes.info/GSD_images.htm Worth a trip to these dunes, while going from one hot spring to the next in Colorado.
http://www.trails.com/toptrails.asp?area=10541.
Anyone else a hotsprings junkie?

In southeastern Ohio we have been blessed with plenty of rain, so that grass and trees are emerald green with redbuds and dogwood in full bloom up against the green. The woods are filled with spring beuties, dutchman’s britches, trillium, black and blue cohosh, phlox, violets, jack in the pulpit, ginseng, may apple, blood root, golebseal and oh so many Appalachian treasures blooming.

What does spring look like in your neck of the woods?

DrDick @
20

PeteCO @ 15

CHS; “Sucks when your political party becomes synonymous with political dirty tricks, lying, incompetence and failure, doesn’t it, GOP bigwigs?”

See “British Conservative Party, 1997″. Or rather, don’t, for the next ten years.

We can only hope.

i’ll keep my fingers crossed. we know what Tony Blair turned out to be:

“Bush’s Poodle”

noen @ 72

DrDick @ 58

noen @ 54

Sounds bucolic. Unfortunately, I also have done that on my grandfather’s farm as a youth and know it is actually hard assed work.

We had a hobby farm. My father remembering his boyhood in Iowa I guess. And we only had the wood stove for a short time while our real house was being built. And we had a pneumatic milker and only the one cow. So… it was still nice growing up in that kind of environment. Now I live downtown Minneapolis and have to deal with drunks and gangbangers… oh well.

I hear that. I lived in Chicago for 12 years after leaving Oklahoma. Kind of a shock to the system, but I enjoyed it. I have lived the last 9 years in Missoula, Montana, which is a university town with about 60,000 people in the northern Rockies, surrounded by literally millions of acres of national forests and wilderness areas. We get deer and even the occasional black bear in the middle of town. Elk and mountain lions are frequent visitors on the outskirts ( a bit scary for pet owners). I have gotten within 20 feet of both bald and golden eagles (perched on fence posts) and there are dozens of ospreys around town. Best of both world to my mind.

MayDaze @ 73

I don’t think Republicans were much more likely to vote in 2006, and while November, 2008 is a long ways away, I’m guessing they’ll be even more ashamed then. The ones that have a sense of shame, anyways.

So, which 2008 GOP primary candidate is Rove going to work for? Newt? He seems like a Newt kind of guy

Newt isn’t enough of an empty suit for Rove - although eventually Karl may heed the siren’s deep pockets song :)

kathleen @ 74

Beautiful sand dune photo Christy. Reminds me of the Sand Dunes in southern Colorado.

http://www.greatsanddunes.info/GSD_images.htm Worth a trip to these dunes, while going from one hot spring to the next in Colorado.
http://www.trails.com/toptrails.asp?area=10541.
Anyone else a hotsprings junkie?

In southeastern Ohio we have been blessed with plenty of rain, so that grass and trees are emerald green with redbuds and dogwood in full bloom up against the green. The woods are filled with spring beuties, dutchman’s britches, trillium, black and blue cohosh, phlox, violets, jack in the pulpit, ginseng, may apple, blood root, golebseal and oh so many Appalachian treasures blooming.

What does spring look like in your neck of the woods?

We’ve had a lot of rain here in central Oklahoma (wettest March on record with over eight inches) and the drought that has been a fixture for years is officially over. Lots of greenery for a change. The birds love it!

cbl @ 78

So, which 2008 GOP primary candidate is Rove going to work for? Newt? He seems like a Newt kind of guy

Newt isn’t enough of an empty suit for Rove - although eventually Karl may heed the siren’s deep pockets song :)

Actually, I am kind of hoping he is backing Duke Cunningham while they share a cell block in a federal prison.

noen @ 25

In the DC Madam scandal there are supposedly officers in the military who offered their “services” as fantasy “escorts”. Many many heads are going to roll before this is over. Sure like how the Bushies have brought back honor and decency to politics huh?

Careful what you wish for. Some of the “johns” are inevitably going to be Dems, so be prepared for the onslaughts of “they do it too.” We also have to take pains to distinguish sexual scandals from political corruption, though, due to the nature of the beast, they often intertwine.

It is unfair to say that people in prominence and power should operate at a higher standard than you and me, but they certainly should be more discreet. But I think power blinds people to their own vulnerability, and they do rilly, rilly, stupid things. The classic of all time, being Bubba and Monica.

“I didn’t have sex with that woman.”

More Condi Rice greatest hits:

“I believe the title was, ‘Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States.’”
Condi Rice, responding to 9/11 Commission question about the title of the infamous August 6, 2001 PDB warning of Al Qaeda strikes in the U.S., May 19, 2004.

“I know there were people who said, ‘Why don’t we get out of this now, take a peace with the South, but leave the South with slaves?’”
Condi Rice, on Iraq withdrawal debate, September 4, 2006.

“Punish France, ignore Germany and forgive Russia.” Secretary State nominee Condoleezza Rice, on her foreign policy approach, 2003.

“I know we’ve made tactical errors, thousands of them I’m sure.”
Condoleezza Rice, March 31, 2006.

MayDaze @ 79

kathleen @ 74

Beautiful sand dune photo Christy. Reminds me of the Sand Dunes in southern Colorado.

http://www.greatsanddunes.info/GSD_images.htm Worth a trip to these dunes, while going from one hot spring to the next in Colorado.
http://www.trails.com/toptrails.asp?area=10541.
Anyone else a hotsprings junkie?

In southeastern Ohio we have been blessed with plenty of rain, so that grass and trees are emerald green with redbuds and dogwood in full bloom up against the green. The woods are filled with spring beuties, dutchman’s britches, trillium, black and blue cohosh, phlox, violets, jack in the pulpit, ginseng, may apple, blood root, golebseal and oh so many Appalachian treasures blooming.

What does spring look like in your neck of the woods?

We’ve had a lot of rain here in central Oklahoma (wettest March on record with over eight inches) and the drought that has been a fixture for years is officially over. Lots of greenery for a change. The birds love it!

Where in central OK? I am from Bartlesville and went to OU many years ago.

Dr. Condoleeza Rice, Phd. There apparently are cases where education has proved meaningless.

cbl @ 78

So, which 2008 GOP primary candidate is Rove going to work for? Newt? He seems like a Newt kind of guy

Newt isn’t enough of an empty suit for Rove - although eventually Karl may heed the siren’s deep pockets song :)

The real question is there any GOP hopeful that will have the Turdblossom? Even Newt would think twice, if he wants to get elected that is.

The GOP is having it’s convention here in the TwinCities. Should be interesting.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 83

Dr. Condoleeza Rice, Phd. There apparently are cases where education has proved meaningless.

If I had my way, her degree (in political science) would be rescinded, since it was obviously acquired under false pretenses.

ifthethunderdontgetya @ 77

MayDaze @ 73

I don’t think Republicans were much more likely to vote in 2006, and while November, 2008 is a long ways away, I’m guessing they’ll be even more ashamed then. The ones that have a sense of shame, anyways.

I hope you’re right, but I have never gotten the impression that the diehard Republicans have a sense of shame. As digby says, they just say “He wasn’t a real conservative” (about anyone who has disappointed them) and blithely vote “R”.

MayDaze @ 86

ifthethunderdontgetya @ 77

MayDaze @ 73

I don’t think Republicans were much more likely to vote in 2006, and while November, 2008 is a long ways away, I’m guessing they’ll be even more ashamed then. The ones that have a sense of shame, anyways.

I hope you’re right, but I have never gotten the impression that the diehard Republicans have a sense of shame. As digby says, they just say “He wasn’t a real conservative” (about anyone who has disappointed them) and blithely vote “R”.

I haven’t seen anyone who has really caught fire with the GOP. That Gulianni is currently in the lead tells me that the GOP voters are moving away from anyone who smells of the Bush. I think that trend will only increase once the real hearings get going.

DrDick @ 83

Where in central OK? I am from Bartlesville and went to OU many years ago.

South Oklahoma City - Northwest Cleveland County. I live about 6 miles or so SSE of the airport.

http://www.pollster.com/presbushapproval.php has about 34% approval for The Worst President.
Peace and Justice are the real enemies of the loyal Bushies, with billions of dollars of corruption, thousands of clients of “Pamela Martin”, and millions of missing Repiblican e-mails, and 600,000 dead due to Republican war and genocide. I think we may need a QUANTUM COMPUTER to keep track of all the information.

Excue me, I confess-I have become addicted to Snark-a Snarkie? Can Rehab help?

But Firedoglake is the gold standard for Truth to Power. Maybe Jane and Christy (and T-Rexx) should be on Bill Moyers next show.

MayDaze @ 88

DrDick @ 83

Where in central OK? I am from Bartlesville and went to OU many years ago.

South Oklahoma City - Northwest Cleveland County. I live about 6 miles or so SSE of the airport.

Moore or Midwest City?

MayDaze…

Another Oklahoman. I like it! ;0)

noen @ 88

I haven’t seen anyone who has really caught fire with the GOP. That Gulianni is currently in the lead tells me that the GOP voters are moving away from anyone who smells of the Bush. I think that trend will only increase once the real hearings get going.

I think they’ll vote for anyone they think can win. Their conservative agenda is much more important to them than any particular candidate.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 92

MayDaze…

Another Oklahoman. I like it! ;0)

I have family in Durant and Broken Bow Lake in the fall is one of the most beautiful places I’ve ever been.

DrDick @ 91

Moore or Midwest City?

I’m actually in Oklahoma City, just west of Moore.

MayDaze @ 94

DrDick @ 91

Moore or Midwest City?

I’m actually in Oklahoma City, just west of Moore.

I know the area, but it has been 20 years since I was there. OKC just sprawls all over hell and gone.

noen @
85

cbl @ 78

Newt isn’t enough of an empty suit for Rove - although eventually Karl may heed the siren’s deep pockets song :)

The real question is there any GOP hopeful that will have the Turdblossom? Even Newt would think twice, if he wants to get elected that is.

The GOP is having it’s convention here in the TwinCities. Should be interesting.

Don’t you think Karl will be too busy fighting his legal woes?

Oklahoma kiddo @ 83

Dr. Condoleeza Rice, Phd. There apparently are cases where education has proved meaningless.

Condi got where she is now because she was mentored by Brent Scowcroft when he was national security advisor to Bush the Elder. To the extent she has diplomatic expertise, it is mostly Cold War diplomacy vis a vis the Soviets. When she took over as national security advisor, her credentials vis a vis terrorism was absolute zero, in fact, net minus, since she operated under a lot of misinformation and willful deceit.

Although she is sometimes identitied with the neocons, I think that is partly inaccurate. What she is, is a bit worse, a pure opportunist who lacks even the ideological zeal of a neocon.

Don’t ever make the mistake of thinking of her as dumb though. They don’t come any smarter than Condi, Ph. D notwithstanding.

Their conservative agenda is much more important to them than any particular candidate.

I respectfully disagree - it is all about the power - if it was about their agenda, Dobson et al would have already annointed Huckabee

Zee @ 94

Oklahoma kiddo @ 92

MayDaze…

Another Oklahoman. I like it! ;0)

I have family in Durant and Broken Bow Lake in the fall is one of the most beautiful places I’ve ever been.

I’m lovin’ it! ;0)

John Forde @ 97

noen @
85

cbl @ 78

The real question is there any GOP hopeful that will have the Turdblossom? Even Newt would think twice, if he wants to get elected that is.

The GOP is having it’s convention here in the TwinCities. Should be interesting.

Don’t you think Karl will be too busy fighting his legal woes?

Nah, the pardon will take care of that.

cleter @
45

Oh, for the love of God. Iraq was not a threat to the US. Saddam was no more threatening than any other unpleasant dictator. What, did he have swarms of invisible landing craft poised to deliver his massive clone army to our shores? No.

At the risk of sounding heretical—-terrorism isn’t that big a threat, either. Yes, 9/11 was a tragedy. But if you double the 9/11 death toll, you have a number that is ONE TENTH as many people as die annually in traffic accidents. Terrorism is as big a threat to our way of life as drunk driving. It’s a bad thing. But it is not a WWII style defining conflict of our lifetimes. And we didn’t react to drunk driving with a poorly conceived military invasion and occupation of Tennesse to shut down the Jack Daniels distillery.

We need to reframe this terrorosm bulls**t.

The other balloon that needs to be burst is that because of 9/11 we face a “unique” conflict. That is pure bullsh*t, and is only possible for dweebs who don’t know very much about military history. But then, Bushies are so full of themselves as being unique individuals at a unique point in history that their minds are closed to any relevant history lessons. This “uniqueness” crap is primarily useful because it justifies not taking the time to understand all those history lessons.

Bob in HI

DrDick @ 96

I know the area, but it has been 20 years since I was there. OKC just sprawls all over hell and gone.

You got that right. IIRC, OKC has spread into five counties.

Condi says that she has information she hasn’t presented about the run-up to the war and other things that she will present in HER NEW BOOK!

Hmm! So she has info that she hasn’t shared with Congress in her prior testimony? She is denying the current Congress her testimony?

Yet she has NEW INFORMATION???? Seems that Condi is setting herself up for contempt of Congress charges. In addition, how can Bush assert this material is protected by Executive Privilege if Condi is writing about it? How can they provide Bob Woodward with access to write his books if the material (conversations about decisionmaking and advice given the President) was freely made available to journalists.

Bush has essentially voided the use of executive privilege. I suppose they can assert that everything they gave Woodward was lies…that they were using him as a propaganda tool. But it will make it very hard to defend in Court.

dreamcatcher @ 97

Oklahoma kiddo @ 83

Dr. Condoleeza Rice, Phd. There apparently are cases where education has proved meaningless.

Condi got where she is now because she was mentored by Brent Scowcroft when he was national security advisor to Bush the Elder. To the extent she has diplomatic expertise, it is mostly Cold War diplomacy vis a vis the Soviets. When she took over as national security advisor, her credentials vis a vis terrorism was absolute zero, in fact, net minus, since she operated under a lot of misinformation and willful deceit.

Although she is sometimes identitied with the neocons, I think that is partly inaccurate. What she is, is a bit worse, a pure opportunist who lacks even the ideological zeal of a neocon.

Don’t ever make the mistake of thinking of her as dumb though. They don’t come any smarter than Condi, Ph. D notwithstanding.

Well now that clusterBush has re-ignited the cold war maybe she can put those skills to good use?

Frank33 @ 90

http://www.pollster.com/presbushapproval.php has about 34% approval for The Worst President.
Peace and Justice are the real enemies of the loyal Bushies, with billions of dollars of corruption, thousands of clients of “Pamela Martin”, and millions of missing Repiblican e-mails, and 600,000 dead due to Republican war and genocide. I think we may need a QUANTUM COMPUTER to keep track of all the information.

Excue me, I confess-I have become addicted to Snark-a Snarkie? Can Rehab help?

But Firedoglake is the gold standard for Truth to Power. Maybe Jane and Christy (and T-Rexx) should be on Bill Moyers next show.

Besides asking Bill to do a show on why it is that 70% of Americans now believe that Iran has nuclear weapons. Deja Vu! The right wing radicals have been all over the media the last three years repeating this. Hopefully another program about the media doing it’s job in regard to challenging the claims being repeated about Iran will not be done in hindsight again!

We should also ask Bill to have the FDL team on to talk about blogs. Write to Moyers

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour.....dback.html

dreamcatcher @ 97

Oklahoma kiddo @ 83

Dr. Condoleeza Rice, Phd. There apparently are cases where education has proved meaningless.

Condi got where she is now because she was mentored by Brent Scowcroft when he was national security advisor to Bush the Elder. To the extent she has diplomatic expertise, it is mostly Cold War diplomacy vis a vis the Soviets. When she took over as national security advisor, her credentials vis a vis terrorism was absolute zero, in fact, net minus, since she operated under a lot of misinformation and willful deceit.

Although she is sometimes identitied with the neocons, I think that is partly inaccurate. What she is, is a bit worse, a pure opportunist who lacks even the ideological zeal of a neocon.

Don’t ever make the mistake of thinking of her as dumb though. They don’t come any smarter than Condi, Ph. D notwithstanding.

No, I agree that she is both smart and opportunistic. I do, however, think she has demonstrated a rather thorough lack of understanding of her discipline, not just on the issue of terrorism (which I could at least partially forgive), but rather generally in her handling of international affairs. Her policies and opinions indicate a rather narrow and simplistic understanding of political processes. Far below what is required for a Ph.D., especially at Stanford.

What she is, is a bit worse, a pure opportunist who lacks even the ideological zeal of a neocon.

BINGO !

three years ago, Vanity Fair beautifully characterized her as WH courtier to the Boy King

kathleen @ 39

Peter Co 216

One of our signs said 650,ooo dead Iraqis, 2 million Iraqi refugees! DO YOU CARE?
As people drove by many big trucks with one person in them, people either looked at us with blank stares or looked away. I think if I were from another country and I saw people drawing blanks, yelling out “Iraqi’s are not people anyway” or ” go nuke them all”. It would confirm once and for all why you should fear Americans. The Bush administration has done their very best to dehumanize Muslim populations.

I have talked with quite a few soldiers returning from Iraq who are from southeastern Ohio. When you are patient enough you can find out that they are not proud of how they have knocked down doors in Iraq or how they have treated the Iraqi people. I think the Iraqi people have been incredibly mistreated by some of our soldiers, and many of our soldiers are going to be reluctant to talk about this honestly!

Interesting contrast between Denver and where you were.

It would have been fun to do it in Colorado Springs. I would like to see the reaction of all the bible-thumpers. A lot more hostile, I would imagine.

The Next Hurrah!

Marcy has two excellent Post up concerning the UDA Purge and Native Americans. DAmn she is good with puzzles. Henry’s staff should find these interesting.

cbl @ 99

Their conservative agenda is much more important to them than any particular candidate.

I respectfully disagree - it is all about the power - if it was about their agenda, Dobson et al would have already annointed Huckabee

I agree - I should have said having the power to pursue their conservative agenda is much more important to them than any particular candidate.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 92

MayDaze…

Another Oklahoman. I like it! ;0)

I have spent some time in Lonewolf Oklahoma. You see more red tailed hawks in Ok than any other state I have driven through.

Where are those Katrina donated 400 million gallons of gas that weren’t needed for Americans? I could use about 15 of them myself right now & I’m American.

MayDaze @ 93

noen @ 88

I haven’t seen anyone who has really caught fire with the GOP. That Gulianni is currently in the lead tells me that the GOP voters are moving away from anyone who smells of the Bush. I think that trend will only increase once the real hearings get going.

I think they’ll vote for anyone they think can win. Their conservative agenda is much more important to them than any particular candidate.

Hagel is coming!

Rasmussen:

Rasmussen has many differences from other pollsters- but it’s the QUESTIONS he asks that give him the large house tilt toward the president:

When comparing Job Approval ratings between different polling firms, it’s important to focus on trends rather than absolute numbers. One reason for this is that different firms ask Job Approval questions in different ways. At Rasmussen Reports, we ask if people Strongly Approve, Somewhat Approve, Somewhat Disapprove, or Strongly Disapprove of the way the President is performing his job. This approach, in the current political environment, yields results about 3-4 points higher than if we simply ask if people if they approve or disapprove (we have tested this by asking the question both ways on the same night). Presumably, this is because some people who are a bit uncomfortable saying they “Approve” are willing to say they “Somewhat Approve.” It’s worth noting that, with our approach, virtually nobody offers a “Not Sure” response when asked about the President.

At the other extreme, some firms ask people to rate the President on a scale of Excellent, Good, Fair, or Poor. They then add Excellent and Good together to come up with a Job Approval rating. This tends to generate much lower numbers (about 5 points or so lower than simply asking if people “Approve” or Disapprove”). In this case, the difference may be that people who some people who say the President is doing a “Fair” job would answer a different question by saying they “Approve” of his performance.

AZ Matt @ 110

The Next Hurrah!

Marcy has two excellent Post up concerning the UDA Purge and Native Americans. DAmn she is good with puzzles. Henry’s staff should find these interesting.

Both of these are excellent posts. As always EW is on top of it.

cbl @ 107

What she is, is a bit worse, a pure opportunist who lacks even the ideological zeal of a neocon.

BINGO !

three years ago, Vanity Fair beautifully characterized her as WH courtier to the Boy King

Condi is deeply disliked by most of the African Americans I know. They have a nice little phrase for her that I simply can’t repeat here, or many other places either.

MayDaze says (Re: Rasmussen Poll)

The excuse is that he uses a “likely voter” model and that Republicans are much more likely to vote.

yeah, and we know why they are much more likely to vote …….

My daughter, who is in 6th grade, recently had an event at school where the kids wrote essays about modern-day women who were an inspiration to them. I was horrified when she told me how many chose Condi, just because she is the first black woman to be Sec of State.

A real shame, that someone who COULD have been a real inspiration and an example to children, chose to sell her soul to the devil instead.

kathleen @ 112

Oklahoma kiddo @ 92

MayDaze…

Another Oklahoman. I like it! ;0)

I have spent some time in Lonewolf Oklahoma. You see more red tailed hawks in Ok than any other state I have driven through.

;0)

noen @ 116

cbl @ 107

BINGO !

three years ago, Vanity Fair beautifully characterized her as WH courtier to the Boy King

Condi is deeply disliked by most of the African Americans I know. They have a nice little phrase for her that I simply can’t repeat here, or many other places either.

aw c’mon! whisper it…..

oddmommy @ 118

My daughter, who is in 6th grade, recently had an event at school where the kids wrote essays about modern-day women who were an inspiration to them. I was horrified when she told me how many chose Condi, just because she is the first black woman to be Sec of State.

A real shame, that someone who COULD have been a real inspiration and an example to children, chose to sell her soul to the devil instead.

Tell her to check out Eloise Cobell, who is a Blackfeet from Montana and has sue the federal government for violating its trust responsibility to American Indians.

Dr. D, and Zee:

Watch the Ziggurats. More than three levels and we can bust the margins. (check you commments at #76 and #101. )

fahrender @ 118

MayDaze says (Re: Rasmussen Poll)

The excuse is that he uses a “likely voter” model and that Republicans are much more likely to vote.

yeah, and we know why they are much more likely to vote …….

You mean like, they program the voting machines?

noen @ 117

cbl @ 107

BINGO !

three years ago, Vanity Fair beautifully characterized her as WH courtier to the Boy King

Condi is deeply disliked by most of the African Americans I know. They have a nice little phrase for her that I simply can’t repeat here, or many other places either.

Can’t you tell us what the phrase is (just * out the worst parts)? Love to see it :-)

Condi has just admitted (confessed to) the illegal actions of this Administration in attacking Iraq.

The conditions that EVEN THEY established to support a ” preemptive attack” were that there was an IMMINENT THREAT to the US or its allies from Unconventional weapons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preemptive_war
http://www.commondreams.org/he.....211-02.htm

Clearly NEITHER condition held - there was NO WMD’s and no functional capacity to manufacture them or to deploy them.

There was no IMMINENT THREAT at all.

If one allows Condi’s criteria then ANY invasion or attack would be justified as any nation could be construed as POTENTIALLY acquiring the ability to obtain WMD’s and a rationale to attack the US or its allies IN THE FUTURE. In fact, nations that are most friendly and calm are the most likely to INCREASE their animosity to us down the road.

According to Ms. Rice…you should get them while they are least aware…long before any threat is imminent.

AZ Matt @ 49

OT but big new in the San Fran Bay area. Check out the photos:

Tanker fire destroys part of MacArthur Maze
2 freeways closed near Bay Bridge

Peter Fimrite and Demian Bulwa, Chronicle Staff Writer

Sunday, April 29, 2007

(04-29) 09:24 PDT OAKLAND — The heat of a dramatic gasoline tanker fire destroyed an overpass and closed two major roadways in the MacArthur Maze at the East Bay access to the Bay Bridge early this morning.

A section of the roadway taking traffic from the Bay Bridge onto eastbound Interstate 580 fell onto the connector that brings East Bay traffic from Interstate 80 to Interstate 880 southbound toward Oakland and San Jose.

Lanes of 580 near the East Bay Municipal Utility District sewage treatment plant at the maze are draped like a blanket over the northeast edge of the freeway below with the corner tip touching the ground below that.

This is especially chilling because it is near the spot where a section of freeway collapsed during the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake, resulting in a number of fatalities. Fortunately this time it appears that nobody has died. But I’m sure glad I don’t have to commute anywhere from the east bay tomorrow morning.

ifthethunderdontgetya @ 77

MayDaze @ 73

I don’t think Republicans were much more likely to vote in 2006, and while November, 2008 is a long ways away, I’m guessing they’ll be even more ashamed then. The ones that have a sense of shame, anyways.

30% of the Republicans in Ohio (with a sense of integrity and shame) voted for Strickland for Governor.

kathleen @
39

Peter Co 216

One of our signs said 650,ooo dead Iraqis, 2 million Iraqi refugees! DO YOU CARE?
As people drove by many big trucks with one person in them, people either looked at us with blank stares or looked away. I think if I were from another country and I saw people drawing blanks, yelling out “Iraqi’s are not people anyway” or ” go nuke them all”. It would confirm once and for all why you should fear Americans. The Bush administration has done their very best to dehumanize Muslim populations.

I have talked with quite a few soldiers returning from Iraq who are from southeastern Ohio. When you are patient enough you can find out that they are not proud of how they have knocked down doors in Iraq or how they have treated the Iraqi people. I think the Iraqi people have been incredibly mistreated by some of our soldiers, and many of our soldiers are going to be reluctant to talk about this honestly!

Kathleen, one of the worst things about this war, and there are so many, is that we are making monsters of our soldiers. In our name.

Remember Paul H. O’Neill ?

PeteCO @ 109

kathleen @ 39

Peter Co 216

One of our signs said 650,ooo dead Iraqis, 2 million Iraqi refugees! DO YOU CARE?
As people drove by many big trucks with one person in them, people either looked at us with blank stares or looked away. I think if I were from another country and I saw people drawing blanks, yelling out “Iraqi’s are not people anyway” or ” go nuke them all”. It would confirm once and for all why you should fear Americans. The Bush administration has done their very best to dehumanize Muslim populations.

I have talked with quite a few soldiers returning from Iraq who are from southeastern Ohio. When you are patient enough you can find out that they are not proud of how they have knocked down doors in Iraq or how they have treated the Iraqi people. I think the Iraqi people have been incredibly mistreated by some of our soldiers, and many of our soldiers are going to be reluctant to talk about this honestly!

Interesting contrast between Denver and where you were.

It would have been fun to do it in Colorado Springs. I would like to see the reaction of all the bible-thumpers. A lot more hostile, I would imagine.

Family land (40 acres) close to Lake George, Colorado so I know Colorado Springs rather well. 2 dauthers in Boulder one in college the other teaching in Broomfield.

Would be an interesting experiment for you to go stand in the Springs next time. Take pictures of peoples reactions.

cbl @ 99

Their conservative agenda is much more important to them than any particular candidate.

I respectfully disagree - it is all about the power - if it was about their agenda, Dobson et al would have already annointed Huckabee

I think you’re right. I believe it’s about the power. Then, they’ll go to work ’shaping the vessel.’
I think to them it’s better to have a powerful fraud than a
nonentity who’s authentic.

fahrender @ 75

i’ll keep my fingers crossed. we know what Tony Blair turned out to be:

“Bush’s Poodle”

And that’s the great tragedy, IMO. He could have gone down as a great reforming Prime Minister. He gave devolved government back to Scotland, Wales, and has worked to sustain it in Northern Ireland. He has reformed the house of Lords, so it is on its way to being a fully elected branch of government.

Instead, he will always be remembered as the wanker who bent over for Bush. Very sad.

So according to Rasmussen- asking the job approval question HIS way should yield a resulting JAR about 9 points higher than- say CBS. That’s about what we see.

No problem with that- but Rasmussen’s numbers often go up or down for no apparent reason and against the tide of other ratings. I suspect that his sampling is not totally random- sometimes he may want to get more responses from a certain region for an altogether different polling quesion and he piggybacks the studies to do that.

Kathleen, one of the worst things about this war, and there are so many, is that we are making monsters of our soldiers. In our name.

as some of our Vietnam vets were saying here the other day, that is a dark legacy from which these men and women, and their families, are going to suffer for decades.

God help us all.

just too icky

conniptionfit @
6

I want to thank all of those who watch Teh Talking Heads, so I don’t have to deal with more bouts of verbal vomiting. Mr Conniptionfit has asked that I don’t watch because he fears for my blood pressure and/or sanity. So what was Condi’s major talking point today?

noen @
7

RICE: I think that…uh…an imminent threat? Certainly Iraq posed a threat,

George should have shot back with “No, I asked if Iraq was an imminent threat.”

…

Perfect example of what’s missing in MSM journalism! Just imagine a good BBC interviewer in place of George–they’re like attack dogs by comparison, as they should be. Too much hobnobbing and corporate influence over here; but if we insist on better journalism maybe things will improve

Condo should be careful..

International law only allows premeptive strikes if there IS an imminent threat- so if there was NOT- she’s a fuckin war criminal.

Loo Hoo @
33

noen @ 18

Loo Hoo @ 12

I remember when it came out, biggest selling record ever. You know… they used to encode music on these vinyl discs and you decoded them by putting a diamond tipped needle in the grooves. yeah, weird, I know, but that’s how it was done. Then I rode my horse to school….

;)

Oh yes. I had all the Joni Mitchell on vinyl and listened and sang along! This is a new one with others singing her songs. I particularly like Emmylou Harris, Prince, Annie Lennox, Sarah McLachlan and Elvis Costello.

There was also a time when someone would take that decoded music read by a diamond-tipped stylus and send it through a crystal, and you could receive all of that music, plus Coltrane, Indian ragas, Fela Kuti’s Afro Beat, Dick Dale, Sandy Bull, Dylan, Satie, and others ALL on the SAME radio station. Free Form radio, someone called it.

Only a few college stations do that sort of stuff anymore.

http://www.kdvs.org

rwcole @ 137

Condo should be careful..

International law only allows premeptive strikes if there IS an imminent threat- so if there was NOT- she’s a fuckin war criminal.

We already knew that. The only question is will anyone ever prosecute her and the rest of this evil cabal?

MayDaze @ 124

fahrender @ 118

MayDaze says (Re: Rasmussen Poll)

The excuse is that he uses a “likely voter” model and that Republicans are much more likely to vote.

yeah, and we know why they are much more likely to vote …….

You mean like, they program the voting machines?

no, i mean all of the minority and low income folks that get challenged on identity, residence, and registration (as in Ohio in ‘04 and Florida in ‘00, just as examples). it doesn’t seem to happen to white Republicans. the resistance to make such challenges by some of the USA’s is the reason a couple of them got the boot.

Off topic and possibly a very uninformed question.

Are all the congressmen/senators on the judiciary committee lawyers?
If not, who advises them? I know Lehey is a Vermont lawyer, but who helps them with federal laws a republican from the DOJ?

PeterK @ 136

Perfect example of what’s missing in MSM journalism! Just imagine a good BBC interviewer in place of George–they’re like attack dogs by comparison, as they should be. Too much hobnobbing and corporate influence over here; but if we insist on better journalism maybe things will improve

Unlikely. The reason the BBC can afford to be so aggressive is because their jobs are secure. What we need is to insulate NPR and PBS from political influence so they can be free to pratice real journalism. The corporate news media will never allow that, it doesn’t sell.

Rasmussen does NOT say “it’s the likely voter model. He says it’s the questions he asks compared to the other pollsters. I quoted his explanation above.

Cozumel @
41

noen @ 25

In the DC Madam scandal there are supposedly officers in the military who offered their “services” as fantasy “escorts”. Many many heads are going to roll before this is over. Sure like how the Bushies have brought back honor and decency to politics huh?

Some people are downright giddy that the Bush Administration is about to be ensnared in another scandal. But I would remind them that nothing is more bipartisan than sexual indiscretion.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

Marine Boy? Wasn’t Gannon one of those “have a boy in a Marine uniform” sort of things? I wonder if he worked for Paltrey and decided to go INDY, then was offered an inside job by one of his “clients”?

I bet a lot of people have been seen around town with pretty gals and young boys having cocktails that are now being talked about widely in the Beltway!

During an interview on the Diane Rehm show Madeline Albright was sharing some displeasure with Condi Rice and she also mentioned that Condi Rice had studied with Albrights father Josef Korbel.

http://archive.salon.com/polit.....3/20/rice/

“Imminent threat” is a standard criterion in international law, developed by Daniel Webster, for when the need for action is “instant, overwhelming, and leaving no choice of means, and no moment for deliberation.” In such a case, he argued, the use of force in self-defense is justified.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imminent_threat

fahrender @ 141

no, i mean all of the minority and low income folks that get challenged on identity, residence, and registration (as in Ohio in ‘04 and Florida in ‘00, just as examples). it doesn’t seem to happen to white Republicans. the resistance to make such challenges by some of the USA’s is the reason a couple of them got the boot.

And the long lines that you just don’t see in the Republican precincts…

Re George Steph, I think Foghorn Leghorn said it best: “That boy’s ’bout as sharp as a bowlin’ ball.”

To which I would add, as a fellow Greek, a disappointment to our people.

oddmommy @ 148

Re George Steph, I think Foghorn Leghorn said it best: “That boy’s ’bout as sharp as a bowlin’ ball.”

To which I would add, as a fellow Greek, a disappointment to our people.

Truly a disgrace to his race. The human race that is.

diane @
142

Off topic and possibly a very uninformed question.

Are all the congressmen/senators on the judiciary committee lawyers?
If not, who advises them? I know Lehey is a Vermont lawyer, but who helps them with federal laws a republican from the DOJ?

I’m not sure of the answer. But if Henry ever gets Condi on the stand, those who are not prior trial lawyers should just cede their time to those who were. Condi can take more time to say absolutely nothing than just about anyone I’ve seen. She’ll be a very hard witness to control.

cinnamonape @ 138

There was also a time when someone would take that decoded music read by a diamond-tipped stylus and send it through a crystal, and you could receive all of that music, plus Coltrane, Indian ragas, Fela Kuti’s Afro Beat, Dick Dale, Sandy Bull, Dylan, Satie, and others ALL on the SAME radio station. Free Form radio, someone called it.

Only a few college stations do that sort of stuff anymore.

http://www.kdvs.org

You should check out The Current. I think you’d like it.

Streams

Bill DeVille is a fantastic DJ

noen @ 143

PeterK @ 136

Perfect example of what’s missing in MSM journalism! Just imagine a good BBC interviewer in place of George–they’re like attack dogs by comparison, as they should be. Too much hobnobbing and corporate influence over here; but if we insist on better journalism maybe things will improve

Unlikely. The reason the BBC can afford to be so aggressive is because their jobs are secure. What we need is to insulate NPR and PBS from political influence so they can be free to pratice real journalism. The corporate news media will never allow that, it doesn’t sell.

Right, BBC is an independent (or at least quasi-independent) entity supported by taxes on TV sets, etc. A long haul to get something like that over here, altho PBS (I know it’s fallen low lately) could morph into that in principle. Just trying to get some thoughts going among the pups…

Condi sure is being called to testify quite a bit. The A*P*C espionage trial is still on schedule, that is unless they pressure Ellis enough to dismiss or delay it once again.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/S.....3498894351

In fact- Rasmussen is not currently polling “likely voters” for Bush job approval- he’s polling “american adults”.

ifthethunderdontgetya @
43

It seems that “the base” isn’t holding so steady afterall, and that Karl’s stroll through the cesspool political tactics manual has come up with a fundraising goose egg.

And yet here’s Rassmussen, with Bush approval right back up to 41%.

Rassmussen has contended that having a larger number of Bush deadenders in his sample doesn’t matter, since the same trends will be seen as in other polls. How long can he cling to that fig leaf (or vice versa, heh!).

Rassmussens stats are practically impossible to believe simply because Bush has hovered at that 40% LEVEL DAILY FOR ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF. Statistically that is almost an impossible pattern to believe since one is going to get an occasional statistical oddity that will push things beyond the 95% CONFIDENCE LEVEL. There should have been several blips like that…but Rassmussen NEVER has them. His numbers are always a tick up or down of one, or at most, two points. His numbers within his even smaller subsamples (which should be more volatile) also don’t jump.

That suggests that Rassmussen is FUDGING his figures. Even the best of surveys when done repeatedly have statistical anomalies - that survey never does!

Condi, Condi, Condi. What a piece of work she is.

1. Condi is actually an old Hoover Think Tanker. Fish around and you’ll find some tidbits.

2. Her being a so-called “soviet union expert” is another piece of Bushco crap. It sounds impressive as hell, right? Her being such an expert in such a massive complicated country and all. Well….bullshit.

Condi was an expert alright…an expert in potential OIL RESOURCES within eastern and central Russia. THAT is what she was a so-called expert on re: the Soviet Union.
Umm…you do know about the oil tanker, right?

Ghostman

Hi noen, you still there? Any hope you’ll tell us the Condi-phrase? I love that kind of thing…Rice-a-roni? (somehow I doubt it!)

diane @ 142 -

most of the committee are lawyers - at least 2 are former USA’s - Sheldon Whitehouse & Jefferson Beauregard Sessions

the committee has it’s own staff and is not dependent on any of the stellar crew at DOJ

Do you think anyone in the MSM will ever even mention the upcoming A*P*C Rosen espionage trial? The only one I have even heard whisper anything is Chris Matthews, when he mentioned that it had been delayed once again. The best place to go and read anything about is at Jewsih Telegraphic Agency, Haartz or Antiwar.com. Juan Cole brings it up once in a while

Olberman, Scarbough, Tucker Carlson, NPR, Diane Rehm, they are all chicken shits on this issue!

cinnamonape @ 144

Marine Boy? Wasn’t Gannon one of those “have a boy in a Marine uniform” sort of things? I wonder if he worked for Paltrey and decided to go INDY, then was offered an inside job by one of his “clients”?

I bet a lot of people have been seen around town with pretty gals and young boys having cocktails that are now being talked about widely in the Beltway!

I was talking about women, I hadn’t even thought about the likely hood of Paltry having male escorts in her employ. Besides, everyone already knows about Guckert visiting the White House 200 times and the media won’t touch it. Might be a reason for that.

kathleen @
50

Was Rice arrogant and dismissive before she was in the Bush administration?

Is it legal to not respond to a subpoena? What will they do next in regard to Rice?

http://www.federalnewsradio.co.....id=1125826

Yes, when she was PROVOST at Stanford the faculty and the students considered her unresponsive to their views and arrogant. I bet Chelsea Clinton has a lot of knowledge of Condi.

Hi, y’all - about to go dark while re-installing everything on my ‘puter.
Ha anybody seen Frank Rich’s NYT column on the failure of the press re: the war and Bush in general? The illustration is great, too.

He has a great discussion of why the correspondents’ dinners, where they yuk it up and do skits with the officials they cover, are such a bad idea. Also, about why the “Washington wisdom” was that Colbert “fell flat” last year, while outside the Beltway his appearance was a huge hit.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s reading blogs, [g]. Apparently Moyers does, too. Y’all probably already discussed his Fri. Journal interviews w/ Josh Marshall and Jon Stewart. There may be hope…tho’ it’s slow coming…

The politics of BushCo Power are strongly male-dominated.

For any woman, even Condi, to rise to the top of the Power food-chain - she would have to have Patriarchical ’sponsorship.’

Let’s take a wild guess at who’s Condi’s ‘Power Daddy’ might be, hmmmmm?

I’ve even heard her characterized by therapists as ‘Bush’s third daughter’ - which seems appropo wrt the subpoena issue.

She’s acting like an entitled, but unempowered, brat who fears no retribution for anything - as long as she pleases her Daddy.

PeterK @ 157

Hi noen, you still there? Any hope you’ll tell us the Condi-phrase? I love that kind of thing…Rice-a-roni? (somehow I doubt it!)

no

Most polls have Clusterfuck’s JAR a couple of points above their all time low rating- which came in about January of this year.

It’s a bit strange that the recent stuff hasn’t dropped him to new lows- but I think that:

1) Many aren’t really listening any more.

2)He’s down to pretty loyal goopers anyway.

Ghostman @ 157

Condi, Condi, Condi. What a piece of work she is.

1. Condi is actually an old Hoover Think Tanker. Fish around and you’ll find some tidbits.

2. Her being a so-called “soviet union expert” is another piece of Bushco crap. It sounds impressive as hell, right? Her being such an expert in such a massive complicated country and all. Well….bullshit.

Condi was an expert alright…an expert in potential OIL RESOURCES within eastern and central Russia. THAT is what she was a so-called expert on re: the Soviet Union.
Umm…you do know about the oil tanker, right?

Ghostman

I got Rice’s # long before 9/11. She was speaking at some friendly forum, like the Russian-American chanber of commerce, and C-SPAN was brraodcasting it. I was interested in knowing about her, frankly hoping that she would do well, being a first. She spoke for 20 minutes. She said:

Russia is a country of great potential.

That’s all. And it took her 20 minutes to say it. I groaned and turned to another activity.

fahrender @ 141,
Here’s a very funny article from a Texas paper about what voters should have to show when they get to the polls.
http://www.statesman.com/news/.....kelso.html
Stuff like, “The password to your gated community.”
I found this at kissmybigbluebutt.com .

PeterK,

the most common is a perjorative stemming from slavery - having to do with the priviledge of ‘house slaves’

let’s just say they don’t use the term ’slaves’

AP - Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki told an Iranian envoy Sunday that the persistent attacks in Iraq are also a threat abroad, a pointed warning amid U.S. accusations that the government in Tehran is stoking the violence by supporting Shiite militias.

noen @ 160

cinnamonape @ 144

Marine Boy? Wasn’t Gannon one of those “have a boy in a Marine uniform” sort of things? I wonder if he worked for Paltrey and decided to go INDY, then was offered an inside job by one of his “clients”?

I bet a lot of people have been seen around town with pretty gals and young boys having cocktails that are now being talked about widely in the Beltway!

I was talking about women, I hadn’t even thought about the likely hood of Paltry having male escorts in her employ. Besides, everyone already knows about Guckert visiting the White House 200 times and the media won’t touch it. Might be a reason for that.

With all of the closet cases in the GOP, I would think male escorts were a growth market.

tejanarusa @ 162

Hi, y’all - about to go dark while re-installing everything on my ‘puter.
Ha anybody seen Frank Rich’s NYT column on the failure of the press re: the war and Bush in general? The illustration is great, too.

He has a great discussion of why the correspondents’ dinners, where they yuk it up and do skits with the officials they cover, are such a bad idea. Also, about why the “Washington wisdom” was that Colbert “fell flat” last year, while outside the Beltway his appearance was a huge hit.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s reading blogs, [g]. Apparently Moyers does, too. Y’all probably already discussed his Fri. Journal interviews w/ Josh Marshall and Jon Stewart. There may be hope…tho’ it’s slow coming…

Why do you need to re-install? I have some experience there.

Ghostman says

1. Condi is actually an old Hoover Think Tanker.

And an oil tanker…

National Security Advisor Rice served 10 years on the Chevron board, which gave $758,588 to GOPER candidates and committees in the 1999-2000 election cycle.

They even named an oil tanker after her.

http://www.stopdubya.com/EnronGate.htm

DrDick @
122

Tell her to check out Eloise Cobell, who is a Blackfeet from Montana and has sue the federal government for violating its trust responsibility to American Indians.

Cobell might be a good person to have for a guest post at fdl.

rwcole @ 138

Condo should be careful..

International law only allows premeptive strikes if there IS an imminent threat- so if there was NOT- she’s a fuckin war criminal.

Well the Queen of Spin redefined the meaning of “imminent threat” in terms of our readiness to respond to a threat. Incredible. I’ve been looking for the transcript of the interview with G.S. to post her comment here but have not found it yet. Rice is a shameless incorrigible liar.

Ed*ard Teller @ 173

DrDick @
122

Tell her to check out Eloise Cobell, who is a Blackfeet from Montana and has sue the federal government for violating its trust responsibility to American Indians.

Cobell might be a good person to have for a guest post at fdl.

She is very articulate and good at explaining the complex issues surrounding the federal government’s relationships with the tribes. She has spoken at the university here several times and I am pretty sure that she would love the opportunity to address the FDL community.

The politics of BushCo Power are strongly male-dominated.

For any woman, even Condi, to rise to the top of the Power food-chain - she would have to have Patriarchical ’sponsorship.’

Let’s take a wild guess at who Condi’s ‘Power Daddy’ might be, hmmmmm?

On other blogs, I’ve heard her characterized by therapists as ‘Bush’s third daughter’ - which seems appropo wrt the subpoena issue.

She’s acting like an entitled, but unempowered, brat who fears no retribution for anything - just as long as she pleases her Daddy.

She’s one of the few who’ll hitch her star to him until he flames-out I’m afraid…

Margot @ 168

fahrender @ 141,
Here’s a very funny article from a Texas paper about what voters should have to show when they get to the polls.
http://www.statesman.com/news/.....kelso.html
Stuff like, “The password to your gated community.”

BTW, the sad back story to that piece is that the Lege is actually debating a bill to require i.d. to vote in Texas - photo i.d. or utilty bill have been mentioned, proving you’re a resident. This despire the studies showing virtually no voter “impersonation” fraud anywhere.(I wish I had the link, but can’t remember where I saw that)
Lots of protest about the bill, mostly from organized minority groups, but I hope it doesn’t pass.

Antiwar.com’s Justin Raimando spot on before the invasion of Iraq…still on target about the Moyers special.

http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=10881

Did anyone notice how Moyers special spent very little time on the Anti-invason marches and who was really there (just like the mainstream media).

Moyers did not give any credit to the Internet, blogs for quesioning the validity of the intelligence.

DrDick @ 170

With all of the closet cases in the GOP, I would think male escorts were a growth market.

That might explain why the GOP is so afraid of gay marriage. It would threaten their supply of blackmailed operatives who will do as they are told or else. That’s how all good Mafia families work.

ceci

Yes Condo does have a episodic allergic reaction to the truth.

fahrender @ 123

Thanks for the reminder. Sometimes I forget.

rwcole @ 180

ceci

Yes Condo does have a episodic allergic reaction to the truth.

“Episodic”????

MayDaze @
73

Phoenix Woman @ 53

ifthethunderdontgetya @ 43

Geez. Rasmussen’s a GOP pollster, but he usually doesn’t fudge more than 2% in favor of the Republican side of things, and he’s predictable in his fudging (unlike other polls which are all over the map); if you know to automatically shave 2% off the GOP side and give it to the Democratic side, you’ll get a pretty close approximation of reality.

For him to be racheting up the fudging means that he must be getting tons of flak from the RNC and/or other folks.

Not to make too much of it, but Rasmussen has been on average (IIRC) about five points higher on Bush’s approval rating than the median of the other polls. The excuse is that he uses a “likely voter” model and that Republicans are much more likely to vote.

Good to see he admits that he “massages” his data. But one would think that this would REQUIRE that he adjust his data for the DECREASING Republican voter registration figures, the increasing Democrat voter registration, the general alienation of party support (as viewed from the increasing number registering as Independents and failing to contribute to the party coffers), etc.

Basically, even with his rationale, he’s not REALLY providing information about the OPINIONS of the general public…but telling policy-makers what they have to worry about during elections. “Don’t worry about what the public says…they don’t vote!” is Rassmussen’s whole approach.

Unfortunately in 2006 THEY DID VOTE…and Rassmussen was way off on just how bad the Republicans were going down in flames. And he continues to ignore and reconfigure his flawed assumptions even today.

noen:

Why do you need to re-install? I have some experience there.

Basically the operating system, then all my programs. Several things not working (most frustrating, the system doesn’t recognize the sound card, {or whatever it is]. Had to follow AGAG hearing here for lack of sound. Gotta get that fixed!)
Some other things don’t work - parts of Adobe pdf reader, javascript, and who knows what else. Plan is to just put it all back on again. You have a better idea?

Oh dear, those poor paranoid Persians are worried.

Ghostman @ 157

Condi, Condi, Condi. What a piece of work she is.

1. Condi is actually an old Hoover Think Tanker. Fish around and you’ll find some tidbits.

2. Her being a so-called “soviet union expert” is another piece of Bushco crap. It sounds impressive as hell, right? Her being such an expert in such a massive complicated country and all. Well….bullshit.

Condi was an expert alright…an expert in potential OIL RESOURCES within eastern and central Russia. THAT is what she was a so-called expert on re: the Soviet Union.
Umm…you do know about the oil tanker, right?

Ghostman

The thing that sticks in my mind re: Condi’s Hoover days is that she considered a pre-emptive nuclear strike against the USSR a viable option. Until she became Sec.of State, I thought she was very bright but had a wacko world view. Now I am confused by the conflict between her CV and the fact that she really doesn’t seem to be very intelligent.

Texas is one of the states that is most likely to turn blue within 10 years because of increases in hispanic voters. It’s no wonder that the gooper legislature is tryin to find ways to keep em from voting.

I haven’t had a chance to read through the comments so I don’t know if this has been posted, but there’s a diary at DKos that pertains re: Inherent Contempt which is a timely reminder that many of our representatives may not be as informed as we’d like on what to do if the likes of Condi ignore a subpoena.

I know I plan to contact my rep Peter Welch with whatever information I can put together. I worked on his campaign last fall and was surprised that some of his staff, though young and computer literate, seemed unaware of the treasure trove of information available at sites like FDL. They need a heads up.

Mods - help, please. I edited my 164 (first time trying that feature) and it became 177.

Is editing supposed to ‘re-post’ as new or ‘amend’ the original?

Thanks

rwcole @ 188

Texas is one of the states that is most likely to turn blue within 10 years because of increases in hispanic voters. It’s no wonder that the gooper legislature is tryin to find ways to keep em from voting.

And why they got in trouble with creative redistricting.

rwcole @ 188

Texas is one of the states that is most likely to turn blue within 10 years because of increases in hispanic voters. It’s no wonder that the gooper legislature is tryin to find ways to keep em from voting.

Ding!

carolyn urban @ 189

I haven’t had a chance to read through the comments so I don’t know if this has been posted, but there’s a diary at DKos that pertains re: Inherent Contempt which is a timely reminder that many of our representatives may not be as informed as we’d like on what to do if the likes of Condi ignore a subpoena.

Oh, I like that. Can you spotlight from Kos? (I don’t spend as much time there as I did before I got hooked on the Lake [g])

Let’s watch the Democratic candidates get down on their knees for the Israeli lobby. What will you kiss John Edwards?

http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iow.....snjdc.html

kathleen @
74

Beautiful sand dune photo Christy. Reminds me of the Sand Dunes in southern Colorado.

I actually think I may have seen those dunes. My dad worked in Libya in 1973 and we drove to a little oasis village called Ghadames, just on the border of Algeria. While much of the Sahara is stony or caliche desert, the dunes at Ghadames are famous for their hieght and meandering ridges. We actually strolled over to the Algerian side…no one for miles around…the sense of solitude is intense. And the wind actually makes the dunes “ring”, sometimes a section of dune will fall and it will sound like a bell pealing. Very odd!

Good David Brooks column in today’s NYT about Repuglocat “Grim Old Party”…not much hope for them in his view.

DrDick @
176

Cobell might be a good person to have for a guest post at fdl.

She is very articulate and good at explaining the complex issues surrounding the federal government’s relationships with the tribes.

The abuse of the Tribal Trust Accounts is a 20th/21st century Trail of Tears. The amount of help the stolen $200 billion or more could have provided for Native Americans - well, we may never know. People need to realize that before Gonzo tried to delay justice in this matter, Ashcroft did the same. And before he did, Janet Reno tried to screw the investigation into the continuing thefts. This organized thievery has been going on for so long. Far too long.

tejanarusa @ 184

noen:

Why do you need to re-install? I have some experience there.

Basically the operating system, then all my programs. Several things not working (most frustrating, the system doesn’t recognize the sound card, {or whatever it is]. Had to follow AGAG hearing here for lack of sound. Gotta get that fixed!)
Some other things don’t work - parts of Adobe pdf reader, javascript, and who knows what else. Plan is to just put it all back on again. You have a better idea?

A re-install sounds best. Do a clean install though. Save everything essential to CD or DVD and format the HD. Then when it’s all back together I recommend Norton Save & Restore. But do some research for yourself.

Guiliani is still spreading the word that this war in Iraq had something to do with 9/11 and making the world safer.

You got to love Condi. Was that threat going to become iminent at some point? That’s what we were talking about. Evading the question and throwing out the idea that Iraq was becoming a threat, even though it wasn’t already, which is, sort of, I guess, debatable. I mean, Iraq was pretty sanctioned. Still, it could have become a threat, right? You could say that about Iceland.

The belief here is that the Bush cadre is not sympathetic to the view that starting a nuclear confrontation is mutually destructive. That’s why Iran is so worrisome.

PeterK @ 196

Good David Brooks column in today’s NYT about Repuglocat “Grim Old Party”…not much hope for them in his view.

Yeah, except that he’s sad because of it.

Georgesimian @ 201

PeterK @ 196

Good David Brooks column in today’s NYT about Repuglocat “Grim Old Party”…not much hope for them in his view.

Yeah, except that he’s sad because of it.

Don’t worry, he’ll get over it.

tejanarusa:

Can you spotlight from Kos? (I don’t spend as much time there as I did before I got hooked on the Lake [g])

Don’t know. I’m not a subscriber over there, just give them the quick once over every day to catch interesting bits.

tejanarusa: in lieu of spotlighting, I emailed pertinent pages to myself - I’ll try to send them on to my congresscritter, or if I can’t print them out and send them.

What’s the difference between an “imminent threat” and a “threat”? It seems to me that something (or someone) is either a threat or it’s not. “Imminent” is really part of what the word means to begin with–it’s a danger to you AT THE PRESENT TIME. “Potential threats” and “future threats” are usually referred to as such because they are not “threats” at the present time. And as we now know, Saddam didn’t have a significant WMD program. He wasn’t a “threat” to us in any meaningful sense of the word. Even if he had had a WMD program, there was never any evidence that he intended to use weapons against us. Unlike, say, Osama bin What’s-His-Name, who has shown both the intent and the capability to strike us here at home.

As for the Condi/Tenet/Black meeting, which everyone is urging Tenet to come clean about, I’d like to point out that Tenet himself testified to the 9/11 Commission: “I certainly didn’t get a sense that anybody was not paying attention to what I was doing and what I was briefing and what my concerns were and what we were trying to do.” Tenet is a weasel who’s trying to repair him image and make a few bucks on his book. He’s hardly an honorable man who’s trying to set the record straight.

Georgesimian @ 199

Guiliani is still spreading the word that this war in Iraq had something to do with 9/11 and making the world safer.

That’s soooo 05.

Periodically I will watch Fox especially when Juan Williams and Bill Kristol are on together.

Many people hammer Fox with good reason. But Fox was hammered by right wing Jewish groups in the states when they aired this four part series about Israeli spying just after 9/11.

If you have not listened or watched this four part series by Carl Cameron that Fox was pressured to take off of their website by Camera (right wing Jewish media watch group), ADL, and Jinsa. Do yourself a favor and watch this four part report.

http://www.informationclearing.....le7545.htm

tejanarusa @ 178,
I know, and I’m really sorry. I didn’t mean to diminish the bad things this bill would do.
Here in Ohio, we had a similar bill a few months before the 06 election that required every voter to show a photo ID.
Not everyone has a photo ID, especially people w/o cars and people in nursing homes. Infuritating.

Mayor Guiliani is as qualified to be president as Mayor McCheese.

Sorry to go OT, but it’s not really OT. We’re up in the far northwoods for the weekend. In an ordinary year, the lake is usually still iced in. Not only is it open and has been for more than a week, the temps are in the 80s, the woods are filled with migratory birds and the trees are blooming. Spring is a good three weeks ahead, maybe more.

This isn’t a blip. In my lifetime, I’ve watched spring come much earlier, hotter summers, non-winters. In past challenges, some technological or political fix has saved our collective bacon. What we face now globally, though, has so much momentum it will take unprecedented collective will to forestall merely the worst of it.

In six years, Bush has managed to damage most of our American values and institutions, but what will haunt us most will be the failure to acknowledge, much less address, much less lead on climate change.

End of sermon.

Frank Probst @ 204

What’s the difference between an “imminent threat” and a “threat”?

If you are Condi it means whatever you want it to mean.

Ghostman @ 157

Condi, Condi, Condi. What a piece of work she is.

1. Condi is actually an old Hoover Think Tanker. Fish around and you’ll find some tidbits.

2. Her being a so-called “soviet union expert” is another piece of Bushco crap. It sounds impressive as hell, right? Her being such an expert in such a massive complicated country and all. Well….bullshit.

Condi was an expert alright…an expert in potential OIL RESOURCES within eastern and central Russia. THAT is what she was a so-called expert on re: the Soviet Union.
Umm…you do know about the oil tanker, right?

Ghostman

I like to be helpful. Here is a picture of THE GOOD SHIP CONDI

dreamcatcher @
81

noen @ 25

In the DC Madam scandal there are supposedly officers in the military who offered their “services” as fantasy “escorts”. Many many heads are going to roll before this is over. Sure like how the Bushies have brought back honor and decency to politics huh?

Careful what you wish for. Some of the “johns” are inevitably going to be Dems, so be prepared for the onslaughts of “they do it too.” We also have to take pains to distinguish sexual scandals from political corruption, though, due to the nature of the beast, they often intertwine.

It is unfair to say that people in prominence and power should operate at a higher standard than you and me, but they certainly should be more discreet. But I think power blinds people to their own vulnerability, and they do rilly, rilly, stupid things. The classic of all time, being Bubba and Monica.

“I didn’t have sex with that woman.”

Some will likely be Democrats, but I bet that a lot of this was done through lobbyists. That way the “client” could conceal things from the “missus” (or if it was the “missus” who was the politician…from the hubby). And the people that the lobbyists were going after most were those IN POWER.

We know that Brent Wilkes was obtaining “escorts” for his lobbying targets in the Administration and Congress. Kyle Foggo, Duke Cunningham and, interestingly, a certain female former Congresswoman from Florida, all were recipients of Wilkes monetary favors. It seems that the Madame provided service to both male and female clients…and even incorporated “high ranking” individuals into her service to allow them to fulfill “their fantasies”.

cbl @ 159

diane @ 142 -

most of the committee are lawyers - at least 2 are former USA’s - Sheldon Whitehouse & Jefferson Beauregard Sessions

the committee has it’s own staff and is not dependent on any of the stellar crew at DOJ

Thanks for the answer.
Makes me feel better that we are not having to rely on
Regents, lawyers are us University

tejanarusa @ 192

carolyn urban @ 189

I haven’t had a chance to read through the comments so I don’t know if this has been posted, but there’s a diary at DKos that pertains re: Inherent Contempt which is a timely reminder that many of our representatives may not be as informed as we’d like on what to do if the likes of Condi ignore a subpoena.

Oh, I like that. Can you spotlight from Kos? (I don’t spend as much time there as I did before I got hooked on the Lake [g])

Yep. Just emailed all of my congresscritters with that question.

kathleen @ 206

Periodically I will watch Fox especially when Juan Williams and Bill Kristol are on together.

Many people hammer Fox with good reason. But Fox was hammered by right wing Jewish groups in the states when they aired this four part series about Israeli spying just after 9/11.

If you have not listened or watched this four part series by Carl Cameron that Fox was pressured to take off of their website by Camera (right wing Jewish media watch group), ADL, and Jinsa. Do yourself a favor and watch this four part report.

http://www.informationclearing.....le7545.htm

It’s a little hard to trust Fox “Stormfront” News if you ask me.

Ed*ard Teller @ 197

DrDick @
176

Cobell might be a good person to have for a guest post at fdl.

She is very articulate and good at explaining the complex issues surrounding the federal government’s relationships with the tribes.

The abuse of the Tribal Trust Accounts is a 20th/21st century Trail of Tears. The amount of help the stolen $200 billion or more could have provided for Native Americans - well, we may never know. People need to realize that before Gonzo tried to delay justice in this matter, Ashcroft did the same. And before he did, Janet Reno tried to screw the investigation into the continuing thefts. This organized thievery has been going on for so long. Far too long.

like, say, since 1492?

Ed*ard Teller @ 196

DrDick @
176

Cobell might be a good person to have for a guest post at fdl.

She is very articulate and good at explaining the complex issues surrounding the federal government’s relationships with the tribes.

The abuse of the Tribal Trust Accounts is a 20th/21st century Trail of Tears. The amount of help the stolen $200 billion or more could have provided for Native Americans - well, we may never know. People need to realize that before Gonzo tried to delay justice in this matter, Ashcroft did the same. And before he did, Janet Reno tried to screw the investigation into the continuing thefts. This organized thievery has been going on for so long. Far too long.

The problems go far beyond the moneys diverted away from Indian individuals (the subject of the Cobell suit) or from tribes. It is a pervasive failure to exercise self assumed guardianship for Indian interests on almost all issues. I have been teaching and researching about this for more than 20 years and it just gets more depressing.

Georgesimian @ 200

PeterK @ 196

Good David Brooks column in today’s NYT about Repuglocat “Grim Old Party”…not much hope for them in his view.

Yeah, except that he’s sad because of it.

Let’s face it, Brooks is just pretty sad period.

In 1978 Wolfowitz was under investigation for spying for Israel.

http://www.ziopedia.org/content/view/3639/1/

For article about Wolfowitz scroll down at link

I guess if Guiliani got elected, he could keep Condi on to spin this bullshit.

Us Democrats just don’t understand the threat. You need to fight these terrorists with lies and incompetence, or we’re going to get attacked again! If we don’t alienate the entire planet with crappy or nonexistant diplomacy, the terrorists are going to win. If we don’t get mired in a civil war without a mission or a plan, we’re toast.

Here are 28 Bush administration scandals. Thanks to Aryeh.

1.The Bush AWOL Scandal (1972)
2.The Ashcroft Illegal Campaign Contribution Scandal (2000)
3.The Senate Computer Theft Scandal (2001)
4.The Intel-Rove Scandal (2001)
5.The Halliburton Oil-Snatching Scandal (2001)
6.The $700M Iraqi Diversion Scandal (2001)
7.The Fake Ground-Zero Health Report Scandal (2001)
8.The Indian Casino Bribing Scandal (2002)
9.The Tom Delay Bribery Scandal (2002)
10.The Halliburton-Nigerian Bribing Scandal (2002)
11.The Sale of Iraqi Oil Fields (2003)
12.The Fake Case for War Scandal (2003)
13.The Halliburton Over-Pricing Scandal (2003)
14.The Halliburton Disappearing Money Scandal (2003)
15.The Brittan-American UN Wiretapping Scandal (2003)
16.The Overpriced Boeing Scandal (2003)
17.The Smith Bribery Scandal (2003)
18.The Fabricated Al Qaeda Sources Scandal (2003-2004)
19.The CPA Loose Change Scandal (2004)
20.The Israel-Pentagon Spy Scandal (2004)
21.The Secret Trip to Taiwan Scandal (2004)
22.The Delay Illegal Flight Stop (2004)
23.The Fake News Scandal (2004)
24.The Williams Bribery Scandal (2005)
25.The Abu Ghraib Scandal (2005)
26.The Delay Scandal Returns! (2005)
27.The Abramoff Scandal (2005)
28.Guant�namo Bay Scandal (2005-2006)

DrDick @ 219

Georgesimian @ 200

PeterK @ 196

Yeah, except that he’s sad because of it.

Let’s face it, Brooks is just pretty sad period.

Actually, he’s weird. I can never quite figure out where he’s coming from. (Years ago, he was a liberal.) Seen him many times on Lehrer, etc., and he seems very intelligent and perceptive (eg today’s column) but something escapes me–I guess I don’t catch what’s motivating him.

Elliott @
217

like, say, since 1492?

Yeah. I’m part Comanche. My Texas family - dad’s side - hid it until my dad did geneological work when he became a Mason.

DrDick @
107

dreamcatcher @ 97

Oklahoma kiddo @ 83

Condi got where she is now because she was mentored by Brent Scowcroft when he was national security advisor to Bush the Elder. To the extent she has diplomatic expertise, it is mostly Cold War diplomacy vis a vis the Soviets. When she took over as national security advisor, her credentials vis a vis terrorism was absolute zero, in fact, net minus, since she operated under a lot of misinformation and willful deceit.

Although she is sometimes identitied with the neocons, I think that is partly inaccurate. What she is, is a bit worse, a pure opportunist who lacks even the ideological zeal of a neocon.

Don’t ever make the mistake of thinking of her as dumb though. They don’t come any smarter than Condi, Ph. D notwithstanding.

No, I agree that she is both smart and opportunistic. I do, however, think she has demonstrated a rather thorough lack of understanding of her discipline, not just on the issue of terrorism (which I could at least partially forgive), but rather generally in her handling of international affairs. Her policies and opinions indicate a rather narrow and simplistic understanding of political processes. Far below what is required for a Ph.D., especially at Stanford.

Did Condi get her Ph.D. at Stanford? NO! It was at some place called the University of Denver. While it is a top-100 Graduate School in some surveys today, it is just barely so…and I have no idea what it ranked in the mid-1980’s.

I wonder just how well her dissertation was vetted for errors and plagiarised materials. There’s been some cricism of her published work based on that dissertation regarding basic factual errors

http://www.amazon.com/Soviet-U.....0691069212

kathleen @
32

Condi “mushroom cloud” Rice is coming undone!

She found a mountain that was far too high,
And when she found out she couldn’t fly,
It was too late.

Afternoon Cassie!
That’s quite a list. Sort of impressive, in a Teapot Dome sort of way, when you see them all listed out like that.

Condoliiaar Rice is no more of a Russian expert than 3,000 Russian scholars in America. Her main interest was the Russian oilfields, as a profit motive.

DrDick @ 228

Afternoon Cassie!
That’s quite a list. Sort of impressive, in a Teapot Dome sort of way, when you see them all listed out like that.

Yeah. I think he might have missed a few. Aryeh is our token 12 yr old that keeps us from having a TEEN site. :)

SnarKassandra @ 223

Here are 28 Bush administration scandals. Thanks to Aryeh.

1.The Bush AWOL Scandal (1972)
2.The Ashcroft Illegal Campaign Contribution Scandal (2000)
3.The Senate Computer Theft Scandal (2001)
4.The Intel-Rove Scandal (2001)
5.The Halliburton Oil-Snatching Scandal (2001)
6.The $700M Iraqi Diversion Scandal (2001)
7.The Fake Ground-Zero Health Report Scandal (2001)
8.The Indian Casino Bribing Scandal (2002)
9.The Tom Delay Bribery Scandal (2002)
10.The Halliburton-Nigerian Bribing Scandal (2002)
11.The Sale of Iraqi Oil Fields (2003)
12.The Fake Case for War Scandal (2003)
13.The Halliburton Over-Pricing Scandal (2003)
14.The Halliburton Disappearing Money Scandal (2003)
15.The Brittan-American UN Wiretapping Scandal (2003)
16.The Overpriced Boeing Scandal (2003)
17.The Smith Bribery Scandal (2003)
18.The Fabricated Al Qaeda Sources Scandal (2003-2004)
19.The CPA Loose Change Scandal (2004)
20.The Israel-Pentagon Spy Scandal (2004)
21.The Secret Trip to Taiwan Scandal (2004)
22.The Delay Illegal Flight Stop (2004)
23.The Fake News Scandal (2004)
24.The Williams Bribery Scandal (2005)
25.The Abu Ghraib Scandal (2005)
26.The Delay Scandal Returns! (2005)
27.The Abramoff Scandal (2005)
28.Guant�namo Bay Scandal (2005-2006)

Don’t forget Hugh’s huge list

cinnamonape @ 225

Did Condi get her Ph.D. at Stanford? NO! It was at some place called the University of Denver. While it is a top-100 Graduate School in some surveys today, it is just barely so…and I have no idea what it ranked in the mid-1980’s.

I wonder just how well her dissertation was vetted for errors and plagiarised materials. There’s been some cricism of her published work based on that dissertation regarding basic factual errors

Hmmm. Sorry if I struck a nerve there. No intent to besmirch the reputation of Stanford, even if she was provost there. As a said earlier, she seems to lack a basic grasp of the subjects in which she purports to have expertise.

Haven’t read comments yet, but had to react to Christy’s close:

Sucks when your political party becomes synonymous with political dirty tricks, lying, incompetence and failure, doesn’t it, GOP bigwigs? But then again, what did you expect when you sold your party’s soul for a few pieces of K Street silver and bought a fetid turdblossom in a poke with it? Chickens, meet roost.

Can there be any more cynical, arrogant and, yes, self-loathing pack of punks than the Bushies? They believe everybody they’ve used is either corruptible or disposable.

Oversight by the Congress… tough, persistent questions by the press. We need and must demand no less.

Ed*ard Teller @ 225

Elliott @
217

like, say, since 1492?

Yeah. I’m part Comanche. My Texas family - dad’s side - hid it until my dad did geneological work when he became a Mason.

wow. it’s fascinating to learn who our ancestors were. I can imagine you see a whole lot of things from a new angle. And it sounds like you’re lucky to learn this, imagine if it stayed hidden!

Is the Media Sabotaging the A*P*C spy trial?

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/gs.....leid=10853

cinnamonape @
226

Did Condi get her Ph.D. at Stanford? NO! It was at some place called the University of Denver. While it is a top-100 Graduate School in some surveys today, it is just barely so…and I have no idea what it ranked in the mid-1980’s.

University of Denver was founded in 1864 by John Evans, who also founded Northwestern University. Evans, while Governor of Colorado, was one of the perpetrators of the Sand Creek Massacre, at which many Comanche were raped, tortured and murdered.

Eureka Springs @ 231

SnarKassandra @ 223

Here are 28 Bush administration scandals. Thanks to Aryeh.

1.The Bush AWOL Scandal (1972)
2.The Ashcroft Illegal Campaign Contribution Scandal (2000)
3.The Senate Computer Theft Scandal (2001)
4.The Intel-Rove Scandal (2001)
5.The Halliburton Oil-Snatching Scandal (2001)
6.The $700M Iraqi Diversion Scandal (2001)
7.The Fake Ground-Zero Health Report Scandal (2001)
8.The Indian Casino Bribing Scandal (2002)
9.The Tom Delay Bribery Scandal (2002)
10.The Halliburton-Nigerian Bribing Scandal (2002)
11.The Sale of Iraqi Oil Fields (2003)
12.The Fake Case for War Scandal (2003)
13.The Halliburton Over-Pricing Scandal (2003)
14.The Halliburton Disappearing Money Scandal (2003)
15.The Brittan-American UN Wiretapping Scandal (2003)
16.The Overpriced Boeing Scandal (2003)
17.The Smith Bribery Scandal (2003)
18.The Fabricated Al Qaeda Sources Scandal (2003-2004)
19.The CPA Loose Change Scandal (2004)
20.The Israel-Pentagon Spy Scandal (2004)
21.The Secret Trip to Taiwan Scandal (2004)
22.The Delay Illegal Flight Stop (2004)
23.The Fake News Scandal (2004)
24.The Williams Bribery Scandal (2005)
25.The Abu Ghraib Scandal (2005)
26.The Delay Scandal Returns! (2005)
27.The Abramoff Scandal (2005)
28.Guant�namo Bay Scandal (2005-2006)

Don’t forget Hugh’s huge list

Thanks. I just sent that to Aryeh.

Ed*ard Teller @ 234

cinnamonape @
226

Did Condi get her Ph.D. at Stanford? NO! It was at some place called the University of Denver. While it is a top-100 Graduate School in some surveys today, it is just barely so…and I have no idea what it ranked in the mid-1980’s.

University of Denver was founded in 1864 by John Evans, who also founded Northwestern University. Evans, while Governor of Colorado, was one of the perpetrators of the Sand Creek Massacre, at which many Comanche were raped, tortured and murdered.

Actually, it was the Cheyenne. My dissertation adviser worked with the Sand Creek survivor’s descendants.

New thread from water tiger

noen -
Thanks for the h/t. I do plan to save everything to a zip disk (I know, I know, still the dark ages. Heck, I’d use a floppy if this puter had a floppy drive.)

FYI, new thread

Eureka Springs @ 231

SnarKassandra @ 223

Here are 28 Bush administration scandals. Thanks to Aryeh.

1.The Bush AWOL Scandal (1972)
2.The Ashcroft Illegal Campaign Contribution Scandal (2000)
3.The Senate Computer Theft Scandal (2001)
4.The Intel-Rove Scandal (2001)
5.The Halliburton Oil-Snatching Scandal (2001)
6.The $700M Iraqi Diversion Scandal (2001)
7.The Fake Ground-Zero Health Report Scandal (2001)
8.The Indian Casino Bribing Scandal (2002)
9.The Tom Delay Bribery Scandal (2002)
10.The Halliburton-Nigerian Bribing Scandal (2002)
11.The Sale of Iraqi Oil Fields (2003)
12.The Fake Case for War Scandal (2003)
13.The Halliburton Over-Pricing Scandal (2003)
14.The Halliburton Disappearing Money Scandal (2003)
15.The Brittan-American UN Wiretapping Scandal (2003)
16.The Overpriced Boeing Scandal (2003)
17.The Smith Bribery Scandal (2003)
18.The Fabricated Al Qaeda Sources Scandal (2003-2004)
19.The CPA Loose Change Scandal (2004)
20.The Israel-Pentagon Spy Scandal (2004)
21.The Secret Trip to Taiwan Scandal (2004)
22.The Delay Illegal Flight Stop (2004)
23.The Fake News Scandal (2004)
24.The Williams Bribery Scandal (2005)
25.The Abu Ghraib Scandal (2005)
26.The Delay Scandal Returns! (2005)
27.The Abramoff Scandal (2005)
28.Guant�namo Bay Scandal (2005-2006)

Don’t forget Hugh’s huge list

With that list, it’s completely understandable why the Republic Congress provided no oversight and performed no investigation. There’s no sex acts. Honestly, no one investigates sex like Republics.

tejanarusa @
185

noen:

Why do you need to re-install? I have some experience there.

Basically the operating system, then all my programs. Several things not working (most frustrating, the system doesn’t recognize the sound card, {or whatever it is]. Had to follow AGAG hearing here for lack of sound. Gotta get that fixed!)
Some other things don’t work - parts of Adobe pdf reader, javascript, and who knows what else. Plan is to just put it all back on again. You have a better idea?

We’re wandering off-topic, but if you don’t have Registry Mechanic or an equivalent, its worth the paltry sum. A lot of computer malfunctions can be due to a messed-up Registry. Works well with Windows XP

Bob in HI

Margot @ 208

tejanarusa @ 178,
I know, and I’m really sorry. I didn’t mean to diminish the bad things this bill would do.
Here in Ohio, we had a similar bill a few months before the 06 election that required every voter to show a photo ID.
Not everyone has a photo ID, especially people w/o cars and people in nursing homes. Infuritating.

O, hey, Margot - no need to apologize. I subscribe the view of the late, lamented Molly Ivings that the only way to survive the antics of our Lege (think she coined that term) is to keep laughing.

tejanarusa @ 242

Margot @ 208

tejanarusa @ 178,
I know, and I’m really sorry. I didn’t mean to diminish the bad things this bill would do.
Here in Ohio, we had a similar bill a few months before the 06 election that required every voter to show a photo ID.
Not everyone has a photo ID, especially people w/o cars and people in nursing homes. Infuritating.

O, hey, Margot - no need to apologize. I subscribe the view of the late, lamented Molly Ivings that the only way to survive the antics of our Lege (think she coined that term) is to keep laughing.

A useful tactic when dealing with conservatives generally. Besides, it REALLY pisses them off.

Are there any Whigs in the house? Hopefully in the near future the answer will be the same when someone asks if there are any Repulicans in the house. This Party is deserving of the same fate of the Whigs.

DrDick @
238

Actually, it was the Cheyenne. My dissertation adviser worked with the Sand Creek survivor’s descendants.

key words being survivor’s descendants. Supposedly, my dad’s maternal grandmother’s sister died there. She was living with Arapaho who had gone to Sand Creek for the winter because it was supposedly safe.

Ed*ard Teller @ 245

DrDick @
238

Actually, it was the Cheyenne. My dissertation adviser worked with the Sand Creek survivor’s descendants.

key words being survivor’s descendants. Supposedly, my dad’s maternal grandmother’s sister died there. She was living with Arapaho who had gone to Sand Creek for the winter because it was supposedly safe.

The Arapaho often camped with the Cheyenne during the 19th century and the two tribes shared a reservation in Oklahoma until 1907.

Dr Dick (et al.)

Actually, it was the Cheyenne.

.
Thanks, I was still questioning my memory when you posted. Used to live among many Cheyenne-Arapaho in Western Okla, some of whom descended from victims of the similar attack on the Washita River in Okla.

Found an interesting link here regarding the recent location of the actual Sand Creek site, with some very interesting comments.
Re: haters calling themselves Christians:

Leading the attack was Colonel John M. Chivington, a former Methodist preacher known as the “Fighting Parson.” Chivington was already on record as saying his mission in life was “to kill Indians.”

My favorite part:

…the Sand Creek inquiry demonstrated the accuracy of the Native Americans’ oral history, passed down through several tribal generations, and its value in archaeological research.

DrDick @
248

Ed*ard Teller @ 245

DrDick @
238

key words being survivor’s descendants. Supposedly, my dad’s maternal grandmother’s sister died there. She was living with Arapaho who had gone to Sand Creek for the winter because it was supposedly safe.

The Arapaho often camped with the Cheyenne during the 19th century and the two tribes shared a reservation in Oklahoma until 1907.

Do you teach subjects on Native American history? I teach subjects on music history at UAA in Anchorage.

Ed*ard Teller @ 248

DrDick @
248

Ed*ard Teller @ 245

The Arapaho often camped with the Cheyenne during the 19th century and the two tribes shared a reservation in Oklahoma until 1907.

Do you teach subjects on Native American history? I teach subjects on music history at UAA in Anchorage.

Actually I teach anthropology, but I am an ethnohistorian with a specialization in Native North America (primarily tribes of the southeastern US).

tejanarusa @ 247

Dr Dick (et al.)

Actually, it was the Cheyenne.

.
Thanks, I was still questioning my memory when you posted. Used to live among many Cheyenne-Arapaho in Western Okla, some of whom descended from victims of the similar attack on the Washita River in Okla.

Found an interesting link here regarding the recent location of the actual Sand Creek site, with some very interesting comments.
Re: haters calling themselves Christians:

Leading the attack was Colonel John M. Chivington, a former Methodist preacher known as the “Fighting Parson.” Chivington was already on record as saying his mission in life was “to kill Indians.”

My favorite part:

…the Sand Creek inquiry demonstrated the accuracy of the Native Americans’ oral history, passed down through several tribal generations, and its value in archaeological research.

That research was largely done by my Ph.D. advisor.

Ed*ard Teller @
236

cinnamonape @
226

Did Condi get her Ph.D. at Stanford? NO! It was at some place called the University of Denver. While it is a top-100 Graduate School in some surveys today, it is just barely so…and I have no idea what it ranked in the mid-1980’s.

University of Denver was founded in 1864 by John Evans, who also founded Northwestern University. Evans, while Governor of Colorado, was one of the perpetrators of the Sand Creek Massacre, at which many Comanche were raped, tortured and murdered.

If you look at the origins of many universities, you’ll find some skeletons. DU is now a fine university. My ex-wife got a doctorate in Social Work there; she’s half Navajo, and it was the perfect program for her. She never thought of herself as a researcher until she went there in mid-life after a career in Social Work. They not only taught her how to work with numbers (not her favorite thing previously) and showed her how it could be fun.

I took a course in the Dead Sea Scrolls there, when we were living in Denver at a different time.

Denver University is a legit university, not some sort of fake degree mill.

Bob in HI

Bob Schacht @ 251

Ed*ard Teller @
236

cinnamonape @
226

University of Denver was founded in 1864 by John Evans, who also founded Northwestern University. Evans, while Governor of Colorado, was one of the perpetrators of the Sand Creek Massacre, at which many Comanche were raped, tortured and murdered.

If you look at the origins of many universities, you’ll find some skeletons. DU is now a fine university. My ex-wife got a doctorate in Social Work there; she’s half Navajo, and it was the perfect program for her. She never thought of herself as a researcher until she went there in mid-life after a career in Social Work. They not only taught her how to work with numbers (not her favorite thing previously) and showed her how it could be fun.

I took a course in the Dead Sea Scrolls there, when we were living in Denver at a different time.

Denver University is a legit university, not some sort of fake degree mill.

Bob in HI

Yeah, the first President of the University of Oklahoma, my alma mater, was Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan.

diane @
142

Off topic and possibly a very uninformed question.

Are all the congressmen/senators on the judiciary committee lawyers?
If not, who advises them? I know Lehey is a Vermont lawyer, but who helps them with federal laws a republican from the DOJ?

When Democrats won the election they started hiring hundreds of new staff in addition to their existing staff and amongst them lawyers. If I remember correctly, they hired 300 lawyers who are now staffing various committees.

Dr. Dick at 252 -Ahh! Small world. I just happened on that link while googling to check my memory that it was Cheyenne.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm.....71,00.html
Guardian Unlimited
This war on terrorism is bogus

The 9/11 attacks gave the US an ideal pretext to use force to secure its global domination

Michael Meacher
Saturday September 6, 2003
The Guardian

Massive attention has now been given - and rightly so - to the reasons why Britain went to war against Iraq. But far too little attention has focused on why the US went to war, and that throws light on British motives too. The conventional explanation is that after the Twin Towers were hit, retaliation against al-Qaida bases in Afghanistan was a natural first step in launching a global war against terrorism. Then, because Saddam Hussein was alleged by the US and UK governments to retain weapons of mass destruction, the war could be extended to Iraq as well. However this theory does not fit all the facts. The truth may be a great deal murkier.

We now know that a blueprint for the creation of a global Pax Americana was drawn up for

Dick Cheney (now vice-president), Donald Rumsfeld (defence secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld’s deputy), Jeb Bush (George Bush’s younger brother) and Lewis Libby (Cheney’s chief of staff). The document, entitled Rebuilding America’s Defences, was written in September 2000 by the neoconservative think tank,

Project for the New American Century (PNAC).

Much as I enjoy all the dings the Republican party is taking from the endless scandals, I don’t think anyone with any sense should start to think that the GOP is in danger of any imminent demise.

One case in point: I read in this morning’s paper an article about Bush giving a speech at Miami Dade College yesterday. It was a long article, all about Bush’s hope for immigration reform. Down at the bottom, the very last paragraph, almost as an aside, it said that after his speech, Bush attended a $25,000 a plate private fundraiser in which he raised $1 Million for the GOP.

So get real people….. the GOP may be hurting right now because of their unbelievable arrogance and incompetence, but they are by no means close to disappearing. The fascists that make up their base are still very committed to the world view they embrace.

The average American may be struggling right now to get by, but the average CEO has seen his compensation explode through the roof. So don’t take anything for granted. Until the silver stake actually enters the heart, the vampire GOP is always capable of roaring back.

Enjoy your schadenfreude as these hypocrites go down one by one, hoisted on their own petards. But don’t confuse this with any real damage yet…..