
Deborah Jeane Palfrey (owner of Pamela Martin & Associates, the DCMadam we first featured here) allegedly ran her DeeCee business from Vallejo, California — quite a telecommute. How does a busy bicoastal manager stay abreast of her Associates’ many activities? How does she ensure they adhere to company policies?
With a regular newsletter, of course! In her missives to Associates, which she kept and urged her Associates to file and refer to, Ms. Palfrey removes all doubt about the services her escorts provided. She regularly updated her contractors with advice, excerpted in court filings hosted by The Smoking Gun.
In a 1994 newsletter (all emphasis and exclamatory marks in originals) sent to clarify misunderstandings and perhaps recruit new contractors, Palfrey writes:
Social escorts. . ….are booked out at approximately $40-50 an hour, usually for functions, banquets, parties and so forth. Conversely, adult service or fantasy escorts command a substantially greater fee, usually $200 an hour; this, of course, because of the risky and sexual nature of these appointments (much like a waitress at a coffee shop vs. a waitress or dancer in a topless show bar.) Obviously, the more liberal the booking or act, the more $ one makes. Therefore, if (any)one thinks that fantasy prices can ever be charged for purely social services (as a new hire recently believed)… all this writer can say, is that the person(s) is a damned fool!
Aren’t you glad that’s cleared up? Later that same year, her newsletter dealt with some pesky time management issues, always a challenging arena.
We want the client to always enjoy his appointment and to never feel rushed! Often, an hour is not quite enough time,but an hour and a half is for completing enjoyment. Nonetheless, in the course of implementing this 90 minute policy, Mgt. has discovered that certain clients and even certain escorts for that matter, tend to interpret this 90 minute time frame “rather literally.” It needs to be clarified once and for all, that the client is paying for the “activity” conducted within the one and one half hour period, not for the 90 minutes itself!!! This means once the performance or routine is concluded you, the escort, are permitted to leave (gracefully, of course). 45 minutes to an hour and 15 minutes is sufficient, here.
Mgt. concludes this epistle with a warning to any wannabe Twenty-Minute-Managers on her team:
Again, 45 minutes to an hour and 15 minutes is reasonable. Let’s not see any 20 to 30 minute stuff, OK?
And none of the old-school “leave the money on the dresser, mister” for Pamela Martin & Associates. Contractors are given a word-for-word script for this potentially awkward moment before the fantasy:
THE ONLY THING WHICH NEEDS TO BE SAID: “___________, would you mind taking care of the monetary aspect before I check-in with the Agency?” … This is all that needs to be said…. this is all that you will say!!!
Finally, in a lengthy discussion of how to (and how not to) call in sick during monthly down-time, The Boss writes to her Associates:
We, in the escort/fantasy business, exist in a grayer state of being than other so-called legitimate enterprises. Therefore, we have to be more careful about everything we do and say, including conversations about…ordinary subjects.
So, tell me again, Mr Deputy Secretary of State and Mr Coined-Shock-and-Awe, how this is just massage and does not dignify a response?
Despite all this icky clarity, though, good wishes abound!
White House officials said Rice briefed Bush on the matter early yesterday before he met with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. The president “was saddened and disappointed and wished Dr. Tobias and his family well,” spokeswoman Dana Perino said.
UPDATE: Who were the Associates of Pamela Martin? More hints from Ms. Palfrey:
More revelations are in the offing. [ABCNews's Brian] Ross said the list includes the names of some “very prominent people,” as well as a number of women with “important and serious jobs” who had worked as escorts for the firm.
Betcha Tony Snow can’t wait to get back to work tomorrow!
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Teddy!
zed
I wondered where you went!
trifectta
lolo, you really are on a roll
HA!
If there are members of my party, the Demo Party on “the list”, then let them suffer the consequences
lolo on a roll
teeheehee
Haha–I’m watching 60 minutes.
Some pix from yesterday’s actions:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot…..d-one.html
more to come. Am anticipating some good sign material out of hookergate… any ideas?
TeddySanFran: Despite all this icky clarity, though, good wishes abound!
beyond belief! what does an employee have to do to rile this boss?
lolo, good girlio!
ccmask @ 10
The Outrage! The Outrage!
did somebody break his nose long ago?
Elliott — depends what the meaning of rile is. Ask Jimmyjeff if you are really curious….
Wow, lolo!
I’d live blog it but I can’t.
I wonder if Jimmyjeff will write a post about this on his blog?
Sometimes micro-management can get you into trouble.
ccmask @ 17
Why not?
Elliott @ 12
Tell the truth.
Another example of simple answers for simple questions.
There will undoubtedly be both Republicans and Democrats involved, allowing the Broderites to take a “pox on both your houses” approach. For this story to really have a positive political effect, there need to be Cabinet members (so to speak) involved.
Any guesses?
It’s all about trust, just like the Bush Administration.
tenet’s acting all fiesty
And this guy, Tobias, was the Chief Executive Officer of Eli Lily pharmaceutical company out of Indianapolis!
George Tenet: I knew right away it was Osama on 9/11. There was no doubt.
He immediately got the authority to go to Afghanistan. He’s asked how Osama got away at ToraBora…..and he said, Heh, we got Shake Mohammad.
Any guesses as to who Pamela has on her list? Or should that be whom?
I’m sure it’s been mentioned but if you haven’t had a chance to read Media Matters complete destruction of “Dean” Broder it’s well worth the time:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200704280002?f=h_top
…I’m praying Broder shows up on this DCMadam list…or is he more of a Gannon guy?
dakine01 @ 21
why didn’t I think of that?
re: “saddened and disappointed…”
Certainly in this case, the American people might deserve and even expect an “outraged” or an “appalled.” As I wrote yesterday, isn’t this the President who was going to restore honor and integrity to the Oval Office?
Perhaps, as always with these goons, that statement needs parsing — did he mean only the Oval Office and nowhere else?
Loo Hoo @ 20
Because I can’t type fast like Christy or EW
George is getting all in Pelley’s face
karen allen @ 25
And Eli sells AIDS drugs.
snark_in_upstate @
22
Although not directly a cabinet member, I’d be doing the Snoopy dance if I saw toothless Mitch on the list.
I suspect that every divorce lawyer in America has long since added this question to their waiting-room questionaire: Has your spouse EVER used the phrase “just a massage”?
He’s telling Pelley he’s not into torture. He has never seen an interrogation done. He has lost a lot of sleep over it. He just lived through 3000 people dying.
WOW…. Tenet on 60min is squirming… he’s trying to cover his ass…
Where’s Pach on this?
Loo Hoo @ 33
He must have been a Boy Scout. You know: Be Prepared and all that.
Be nice if Joe (I) was on the list.
TeddySanFran @ 30
like there’s either honor or integrity in this Oval Office
Teddy, great post. Scandalous, I say, scandalous! And I love it!!
Loo Hoo @ 33
Whatever you do…don’t use those evil condoms. God will send you to Hell.
ccmask @ 26
Egads. The only person I’ve ever seen answer an ObL question correctly was Bill Clinton, who was asked if he had done enough to catch Osama. Clinton immediately came back with, “No, because we didn’t catch him.”
ccmask @ 39
Never on a Saturday!
Yeah, Teddy. Only the Oval Office. That little roomie next door? Nah.
It is incredible that he is saddened and disappointed. Reminds me of his and Cheney’s response when Libby was found guilty.
Orange alert…here we go… fear fear fear…
What a liar… this Tenant is…
ccmask @ 39
Joe is a BOT…they don’t do ‘massage’.
I see not a word of outrage from the ‘loyal opposition’ (Dems).
like there’s either honor or integrity in this Oval Office
Fixed your typo-
like there’s neither honor or integrity in this Oval Office.
Who’s toothless Mitch, dakine?
We were chatting about this earlier at chez TSF — do you suppose these women Associates in “serious and important” jobs were recruited from their “serious and important” jobs, or were they recruited as students reading the Washington City Paper and the University of Maryland student paper? Both carried recruitment ads (”help wanted”) for PM&A.
Did these women then graduate to take “serious and important” jobs and were they unwilling to give up the untaxable side income? Or did Palfrey blackmail them into staying in the life?
Tenet: In 2003, terrorists were in NY ready to attack the subway system, they were called back for something bigger. Are they going to have a nuclear attack? There is intent and when does the capability show up.
Commercial for Flomax. Individual results may vary. Runny nose and decrease in semen. 4flomax.com
Oklahoma kiddo @ 48
apparently people in glass houses aren’t throwing any stones
ccmask @ 39
So sweet!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 48
Multiple reasons I’d guess.
1. Possibility of some Dems on list
2. Don’t want to be seen as piling on
3. The hypocrisy of having defended BC and then condemning the Republics for this.
Boy Tenet is the last person I’d want in charge of the CIA during a crisis. He’s disolving in an emotional ball, and making up terror alerts out of whole cloth–shiny, shiny balls.
LOL! Yeah, I feel sorry for him that his cancer returned. Not sorry at all that he will have to wade through this river of crap when he gets back.
Loo Hoo @ 50
Mitch McConnell, R-Big Bidness (Kentucky) Senate Minority Leader, husband of Elaine Chao, Secretary of Labor (oh the irony!)
defJef @ 37
Tenet is a fat rodent neocon liar, dirty torturer and 911 coverup artist; he works for the spy company QinetiQ–
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15400003/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QinetiQ
At least BC had the good sense not to pay for it.
TeddySanFran @ 51
My vote: recruited as undergrads, stayed in the life after for the extra bucks “tax free”.
Tenet: Wadda cry baby. It’s all about me.
You don’t need to blog the commercials. Please!
TeddySanFran @ 51
maybe they got their jobs through their johns? will be intersting if we ever find out who these women work for or where they work
OT…Tenet certainly has some anger management issues tonite…more geared toward his protecting his own trashed reputation than anything else though. George, you had your chance to do the right thing, you blew it. Says even though he personally met with the president daily before 9/11 and told Condi there was an imminent spectactular attack (condi denies it) but he couldn’t warn the president because that is what they do.
Now he’s onto his unfairly being blamed for Iraq War…(um who was that man that sat behind Colin Powell during that fraudulent UN presentation).
TeddySanFran @ 51
Supposedly they are various military women, scientists, professors and so on. 300 dollars an hour is mighty attractive to an undergrad.
Surprised nobody’s mentioned a connection between the ‘Frolic’ graphic and TSF’s lede about ‘keep abreast‘ of ….
Too obvious, I guess.
Moyers and Jon Stewart on Channel 13 right now, in my area (NY).
Tenet admits his mistakes but he is pissed that they use slam dunk to brand him as the one who’s fault it it. As if he needed me to say slam dunk to go to Iraq.
The truth is planning for Iraq began the day after 911. He was thinking to myself as he waited to see the preznut, what the hell is he talking about. There was no complicity period.
The vp claimed Sadam had WMD but the CIA is saying no. He sometimes warned that statements were false. During the SOTUS, Tenet says he didn’t read the speech. HE DID NOT READ IT AND FARMED IT OUT!!
dakine01 @ 61
It’s Georgetown’s fault, for having such high tuition.
And professors are all Democrats.
So it’s the Democrats fault.
This little ‘escort’ business is probably but a tiny representation of the shadiness of what goes on in DC.
dakine01 @ 55
I bet #3’s a big reason, there’s nothing funnier now than listening to the likes of Dan Burton all aflutter over issuing a subpoena
John Stewart is going to be must see TV tomorrow.
dakine01 @ 58
Howie Klein’s got a theory about Mitch that would exclude him from PM&A’s client list if only ladies and not lads are Associates.
Jay @
28
He might be a Karl Guy.
my too sense @ 65
of course, he could have defended himself earlier if it weren’t for that pesky book contract he signed.
dakine01 @ 58
I forgot he was married to her, she’s pretty bossy, isn’t she?
Blank Kludge @ 67
Nah. In spite of the rather stunning … um … mammary development in the picture.
Tenet: You don’t make this kind of stuff up.
Me: I beg to differ.
“These are not assertions..these are facts…” Powell at the UN hahahaha
Tenet is is in deep do do.
He’s lying through his prealy whites.
WOW that’s skeery stuff.
Oooh! Valerie! “You don’t get to do that.”
I doubt this thing bothers Rove a bit. Or for that matter Gonzales, Cheney or the prez.
The person who comes out a winner in the whole Tobias mess is Tony Snow. His first day back, when the ‘press corpse’ ask about it, he can calmly say: “Clinton did it!” Score one for SnowJob. After that…he’s gonna have a tough day.
Tenet says that for the presentaation of Powell to the UN, he was asked to sit behind him. He says the intelligence is about what the truth may be, not what it is. It is a assessment.
When it became clear there were no WMDs, they split with the WH. And now talking about Valerie. Now officers names are being thrown out the door. Her husband is out there saying what he said, they are not fair game.
Next up Woody, describes how Tenet rose up from his chair, threw his arms in the air, (hey, that rhymes) and said slam dunk. It was a woody story.
Blank Kludge @ 67
Channelling Howie Kurtz and everyone else who defends the WaPo editorial/reportorial “wall:” These are two completely unrelated departments at FDL! One knows not what the other is doing. They work on separate floors, indeed on separate coasts! *g*
Actually, we are blessed with at least one Graphics Goddess at the Lake. Quite a challenge, post after post, especially to support those of us who refuse to do the hard work of look-n-link the pretty pictures!
I 707ed when I saw the pic.
…
TeddySanFran @ 74
Maybe Elaine does her own thing, quoting from Howie’s post
At least the background info for the Tenet interview is actually calling Plame “an uncover CIA agent”.
Glad somebody finally got that right! *snark*
Tenet, “Scott, I’m Greek and conspiritorial by nature.”
What a perfect DCI!
I’m bored….same ole crap. I’m looking forward to the Sopranos tonite more than this crap.
ccmask @
36
My question: if it’s just interrogations, why did you lose sleep?
Hmm.
http://pundits.thehill.com/
You mean this Dick Morris? Of the Pundits? The CT tax-cheat Dick Morris who got me one of my few recommended diaries at Kos? That Dick Morris?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/24/10347/7799
ccmask @ 51
I don’t trust Tenant. This is Tenant part deux. Can you say WhiteWash. He isn’t telling us anything we haven’t already learned with out his .02 and I don’t trust him. Is it just me? (gloating……dreaming of zed)
Tenet: The notion that I would trade in my integrity for a medal is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard in my life.
Me: Assuming facts not in evidence (his integrity).
TeddySanFran @ 85
Me too, especially when I read that ‘breast’ segment.
And, as I’ve noted before, the FDL Graphics Dept. deserves a raise. *g*
This interview is a hoot… what slime in the administration…
Tenet is as slimy as they come and completely full himself… Makes it up from whole clothe and it lies with impunity.
And he’s incompetant too. WOW..
The best and the brightest! Rock on georges
lolo @ 92
I’m rooting for a Sunday sweep for you, lolo
Elliott @ 64
Oh, is that where Riza came from? Is Pamela still getting a cut?
oh yeah, tenet “saved lives”, “served his country as best as he knew how” … he was on a roll and should have borrowed hillary’s line, “I did it for the children…”
Oh, wait. The medal of freedom, he was conflicted about receiving it. Is the meda the reason he gives the preznut a pass. It is ridiculous he would give up his integrity for a medal.
History will judge him. He tried to serve as best he could, and lead as well as he could and the rest is for others to judge.
Commercial. Lowe’s lawn mowers. And then one for Just for Men about gray hair and the guy is not licking his comb. That’s it. Stick a fork in me, I’m done.
defJef @ 95
Well, see, it’s all Clinton’s fault for having appointed him in the first place. See that wasn’t so hard now was it.
dakine01 @
61
Hmm, that early episode of “The West Wing” where Sam ends up with a Georgetown Law student/escort may have had more truth to it than we thought at the time.
Sue @
91
Morris is shameless.
defJef @ 95
It’s all Clinton’s fault–Clinton appointed Tenet.
Who knows. Maybe tomorrow we bomb Iran.
Wow, Sue. He owes $281,000 just in state taxes? What does he owe the feds?
Maybe he could get a side job to help pay that debt. Maybe a side job he wouldn’t be required to pay taxes on.
You know, if I owed that kinda money, I wouldn’t be getting “massages”.
dakine @ 100
Great minds think alike.
Hey, I always thought Condi would look great in a dominatrix costume. I think I even saw a ’shopped one like that.
dakine01 @
100
Yup, if W had replaced the DCI like he replaced the USAttorneys, we wouldn’t have had this Tenet problem. See how wingnut talking points are born?
lolo @ 92
No, lolozed, it’s not just you. And don’t you wish there was a cents symbol on the keyboard?
dakine01 @ 100
and knowing BushCo. kicked out everyone associated with Clinton, makes me wonder — now — why they kept Tenet.
I agree with whoever said this morning. It looks like Condi had some dental work done.
eCAHNomics @
106
;})
The problem is, I can guarantee that within the week, SOME Republic will say that as the justification for everything.
Frank33 @ 74
OMG Let them eat quail. That was from that night when karl threw them crumbs I think it was when we were waiting for the verdict….Teddy help a girl out what is the Quail Saga?
lolo
itwasntme @ 107
Didn’t she wear high boots and a Matrix-like coat on a trip to a US base in Germany?
Yes
Elliott @ 110
I’ve been wondering about this the whole time, and still do wonder.
lolo:
Karl feeds the press quail bones
OT ~ Chipmunk-ery at the White House. 707
I’ll bet there is a lot of that dominatrix stuff under the floorboards of the Lincoln Bedroom.
Also, I think Tenet is going to be sorry he wrote a book. He would have been better off staying friends with the Gop. Now, he is a lone man with a medal.
When I read the story about Karl, realizing he lives in Palisades, the same neighborhood a certain former Ambassador and outed spy were raising their twins, the Wilsons’ move to New Mexico makes a lot of sense.
Loo Hoo @ 109
on the Mac, it’s option-4.
cathy @ 111
Sure wish one of the super photo sleuths around here could come up w/some before and after pix. Took a close look at her this a.m. after reading the observation you mention and definitely add my vote to the “You betcha” column.
BTW, Perle claims he was in Paris day after 9/11, so Tenet’s quote that Perle told him the day after that SH must pay for 9/11 can’t be correct. Thinkprogress.
Elliott @ 95
I was going to watch the Sopranos at 6 but I might have to guard my stake and try for another.
eCAHNomics @ 115
The only thing I can think of would go back to Bush I having been DCI at one time. Don’t know if Tenet worked for him or if daddy actually used what little influence he had with his son and told him to leave the CIA alone and not directly interfere (although allowing Darth to set up his own intelligence within the DoD/DIA as a countreweight).
thanks, NDFG, for the two
Maybe we can figure out who’s on the list by the way they are acting now, before the info may come out. Anyone actively trying to cover it up or resigning their job to spend more time with their family?
NewDealFarmGrrrlll @ 120
Thanks! I’m a mac guy and didn’t know that! Koo-al!
dakine01 @ 112
Tenet was not Clinton’s first choice, who had been blocked by the Republicans.
So, Tenet, who had been a Republican staffer on he Hill,
was a compromise that Clinton felt he had to make.
I loved the way Larry et el (from no quarter)put it in their letter to Tenet:”…a grotesqe mixture of incompetance and syncophancy shielded by a genial personality..”
To that I’d like to add: Tenet is monumentally stupid to believe that this little exercize in ‘poor little me’ literature would in any way excuse his cowardice and betrayal in not speaking up for his country, his constitution, and his oath.
Of course he knows where all the bodies are buried and the usual wurlitzer hit job might prompt some harsh retaliation. Mmmmm, wingnut pissin’ match. (reclining in chair and smiling…)
snark_in_upstate @ 128
Thanks. Means Rs got a twofer–got a R in Clinton’s admin & then got to blame Clinton for 9/11. Gotta luv it.
Looks like Tenet was Clinton’s DCI when the Agency’s Langley HQ got named for Poppy.
in re: dakine01 @ 124
I think maybe RoveCo did a personality assessment on Tenet and figured he was manipulatable or otherwise pliable.
Or HEY maybe Tenet had something on them, he was head of the CIA.
cathy @ 126
I did read that Tobias has been trying to leave for the last six months but Condi wouldn’t let him go.
Rooney’s doing his parady of himself now
TeddySanFran @
125
Interesting! I left and came back and the cent sign had changed to a question mark inside a black triangle. Although it is showing as a cent once in the comment box. Confusing.
dakine01 @
55
This bothers me…barring explicit evidence of hypocrisy or use of government money or something I don’t think any of this is any of our business. Private sex lives should be out of bounds. And the cheerleading here and at Kos surprises and disappoints me. I thought we were better than the other side.
Elliott @ 135
Wow that went fast — are all 60 minutes Tenet’s?
Elliott @ 133
LEGALLY, the CIA has been forbidden from operating inside the US, not that that has stopped them (think H2Ogate). But the FBI has long spied on US citizens so maybe they were sharing SOME info prior to 9/11, just not on Saudis learning to fly without learning to land.
TeddySanFran @ 132
Congresscritters name buildings, not DCI’s ; )
Chaboard,
It’s not the private sex lives, it’s the consistent hypocrisy. Please continue reading.
TeddySanFran @ 134
I see her with her whip, keeping him from going out the door.
I bet Rove is a big hooker guy. He looks like he’d live it up with a foursome once in a while, maybe a little dress up or leather, on the RNC probably.
These girls kept their secrets. Brings new meaning to the phrase “loyal Bushies”.
Maybe Condi gave Tobias a “massage”.
Chaboard @ 137
We are. We only enjoy the comeuppence and humiliation of actual hypocrites. We don’t have to make any of it up.
Chaboard @ 137
Most of us believe that sex lives fall into the category of a “nunya.” But there is a gloating factor knowing that people like Tobias and most likely many others on the list are the same ones who condemn c*nd*m use, have spearheaded efforts to block birth control and are generally quite sanctimonious in their “Christianity.” The hypocrisy in other words when they get caught NOT practicing what they preach.
Although you horrible people may not appreciate what a wonderful Secretary of State we have,
the rest of the world does:
Condi’s star fades as US policy disintegrates
TeddySanFran @ 138
nah, just half, but I forget what the other stories were all ready
Georgesimian @ 143
I can see him in pink ruffles and rouge
ccmask @ 52
Appreciate the live-blogging, but a little hint, cc – you don’t have to blog the commercials.
Chaboard @ 137
The hypocrisy of Tobias’s running US government aid programs that required the donee agencies to swear off outreach to prostitutes because prostitution is dehumanizing and harmful is quite enough for me. This is not a matter of “private sex lives” of public official Tobias.
This is a public official who used his soapbox to promote fundie-backed US government abstinence-only AIDS prevention policies — under which people died, once infected, unless they were able to access BigPharma’s AIDS drugs. Where Tobias previously worked as Chief Executive Officer of Eli Lilly.
If you think this is about someone’s “private sex life” you are not paying attention. This is about hypocrisy. Start here if you would like to review the bidding so far. And welcome!
dakine01 @ 127
I sadly have no Mac at this point in time. However, KeyCaps allowed many such Koo-al characters back at least to System 6 days. (the Mac Plus)
Around Windows 1.0 or before.
Lou Costello @ 117
So funny GO WATCH IT!
MayDaze @ 150
but that keeps it real!
hey TeddySF and Firedogs,
and I was just gonna call him a blustering, pig narcissist whose mo reminds me a lot of a certain Chimp
couldn’t help but notice how he reserved his
most melodramatic, hyperbolic language to describe ‘wrongs’ done to him - not his people, not Valerie, not Colin, certainly not this nation
rot in hell !
Elliott @ 149
Darkblack…?
TeddySanFran @ 116
Here is the original “quail” quote by Broder. Broder assembled a “cast” of “American politicians”, including Karl, to tell emerging political leaders..what? Plus Karl has a wife? What is with the “quail”?
I could definitely see Rove dressing up in women’s clothing. And lots of makeup.
This prostitution thing is totally our business. These guys were doing illegal acts, maybe on the Gov’t dime, or maybe the RNC. Exchanging Government favors for prostituion is fairly common. Remember the Olympics board in Utah? How many billions did Tobias give out in his funds in exchange for a blow job at a nice hotel? That’s what we’re talking about. And the hypocracy is sickening.
In the name of equal opportunity, I don’t think the women should be getting all the attention. When are we going to hear about Jeff Gannon’s White House fantasy dates?
MayDaze @ 150
I know. I was joking around. Who knows…maybe I sold some of that Flomax.
Actually, Flomax is a good word for what was coming out of Tenet’s mouth.
Georgesimian @ 143
ewwwww
Blank Kludge @ 152
♪♫
I’ve had luck using character map (all programs > accessories > system tools > character map -on my computer) but I can’t get the cents sign to come up, and I’m only seeing those empty boxes when you mac guys use it. And I think the cents sign comes in handy.
Dan Williams @ 159
My fantasy is that PM&A in the limelight will get an enterprising TradMed cub reporter to pursue GannonGate all over again, but I don’t have the $300 for that pizza….
Frank33 — I did not realize there were two “quail” stories. Thank you. I wonder what “quail” is BeltwayBoy code for?
ccmask @ 161
You funny, cc.
cathy @ 158
I see him wearing those stiff petticoats we used to wear under our Sunday School dresses.
TeddySanFran @ 165
Aspen fodder?
you too loohoo
Chaboard @ 137
Thanks for trying to take the high road, Chaboard, this whole thing is like a monkey with a machine gun.
TeddySanFran @ 165
Right off, I thought code-word, too.
ccmask @ 160
You should hit ‘em up for a commission. ;)
Not sure, but I suppose it’s better to eat quail at Rove’s table than to hunt quail by Cheney’s side.
in re: Tenet, from CNN, six former CIA types send letter describing their view of Tenet and his book. Two words=not positive.
Chaboard @
137
This whole affair came up in the context of people offering escorts at parties and other events for free to politicians and other government people in exchange for ? This isn’t about sex, it is about the leverage behind-the-scenes fixers can get from putting public servants in compromising situations.
the other Jay @ 170
You two sound like concern trolls.
dakine01 -
your question about Tenet being retained by Bushco –
I concur with Elliot and would add -
Richard Cheney focused on consolidating his power – ascended to WH intent on neutralizing the CIA and it’s oval office influence –
The Dark Side – Interviews
As Frank33 pointed out prevthread, Justin Rood at TPM owned this story; now Justin bylines with Brian Ross at ABCNews.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 7
Exactly.
Though, as Larry Flynt found, all the really kinky ones were Republicans – and often they were the ones who were the most “moral” in public.
See, this is why I don’t think very many Democrats wound up in Palfrey’s rolodex. She didn’t do “normal” prostitution.
TeddySanFran @ 165
Shooting people in the face.
cathy @ 176
the other Jay @ 170
Chaboard @ 137
dakine01 @
55
3. The hypocrisy of having defended BC and then condemning the Republics for this.
This bothers me…barring explicit evidence of hypocrisy or use of government money or something I don’t think any of this is any of our business. Private sex lives should be out of bounds. And the cheerleading here and at Kos surprises and disappoints me. I thought we were better than the other side.
Thanks for trying to take the high road, Chaboard, this whole thing is like a monkey with a machine gun.
You two sound like concern trolls.
Not a chance!! I can’t wait until they find photos of Rove and Jeff Gannon. But I hope this DC Madame knows how to watch her back..
Zig freed by Mod
Phoenix Woman @ 179
Mr Livingston I presume? And Mr. Gingrich.
Does Jeff Gannon work for the madam?
I’ll bet Mark Foley’s number is in there.
The Dem I want on PM&A’s list isn’t a Dem anymore, although this week he signed a letter to the WaPo with all the Senate Dems, supporting Majority Leader Reid and condemning David Broder’s column. He ran for re-election on an obscure party label with the initials CFL.
Can you guess who it is?
TeddySanFran @ 178
Is that how Rood got the job at ABC, he brings PM&A with him?
ccmask @ 184
With the notation of HS seniors only?
ccmask @ 183
I think he works for Rove
dakine01 @ 187
Turn down that page.
Well, I gotta go wash my hair for my date with Tony Soprano at 9:00. He will not be kept waiting. But, one thing is: Who are the scientists involved in this?
TeddySanFran @ 185
Uh, can ya give me three guesses? [/snark off]
Elliott @ 163
☻ Thanks for the cool info I love It!
cathy @ 144
with the tip of her whip?
dakine01 @ 187
I think seniors were too old for Foley.
Elliott @ 163
Thanks, Elliot. I’ll check that tomorrow at work so I can copy and print it.
TeddySanFran @ 185
That’s easy – the CFL guy!
The next step is that Rove will somehow plant names with ABC News, which holds the list, and be able to make this work for him…
snark_in_upstate @ 194
dakine01 @ 187
ccmask @ 184
I’ll bet Mark Foley’s number is in there.
With the notation of HS seniors only?
I think seniors were too old for Foley.
Nah, he SEEMS to have waited until they were (barely) legal age. But prol’ly the younger looking ones were the pref.
Zig freed by Mod
eCAHNomics @
56
Not exactly Bill Colby or Richard Helms, is he? At least those men’s downside didn’t seem to be emotional crisis management.
In the PM&A context, even innocent sentences about Tobias take on an entirely new meaning:
Plushies with Dad?
TeddySanFran @ 185
Let’s see, are his initials Joe Fucking Lieberman?
lolo @ 192
you’re welcome! ☼
(actually that one looks like a little tick to me)
I wish someone on TV would ask Tobias why he didn’t just go to a regular masseuse for a massage and avoid all this potential impropriety by using the escort service.
cathy @ 203
Betcha his wife’s divorce lawyer will want the answer to that one as well. It certainly seems to get at the crux of the issue.
Colby-the guy who took responsibility for the Phoenix Program, and Helms, the guy who said he wore his conviction for lying to Congress as “a badge of honor”. You’re right-emotional crisis management wasn’t their problem.
Tweety is on to hash’n’bash the debate and Tenant.
RonD @ 205
what really happened to Colby anyway? that was odd
lolo @ 206
I wouldn’t be surprised to find his name of the madame’s list, he’d be the guy always asking for the one that looks like Hillary
Hee-hee-hee-hee.. totally OT, hee, snicker:
http://extras.denverpost.com/a…..hioman.mp3
Elliott @ 209
That’s a funny line..
dakine01 @ 183
Yes, indeedy. ‘Twas Mr. Flynt who, disgusted with the Republicans wasting our time and tax dollars with the stained-dress witchhunt, put out the call: He’d offer one million dollars for information on the sexual hanky-panky committed by Senators or Congressmembers.
This is what happened:
And believe you me, the Republicans were desperate to find a few Democrats to take down over this — and the scuttlebutt is that they offered better money that Flynt did. But they didn’t get diddly.
Yeah, wasn’t that weird? He goes out rowing on the Potomac, and drowns? Still, his past was quite remote for an executive action- I suspect it was what it appeared to be. I don’t think he had many secrets left.
Elliott @ 208
You mean…looks like Hillary with a cod piece, don’t you? *s*
Phoenix Woman @ 212
No kidding!? too bad for the Repubs. HA!
TeddySanFran @ 205
Once his divorce lawyer sees Bamby-with-a-Y’s name on the list of witnesses his wife’s divorce lawyer wants to depose, I suspect he’ll advise his client to just give his soon-to-be-ex-wife anything she wants.
RonD @ 213
mm I dunno…
wiki on Colby’s
[my bold]
Yes, it is about hypocrisy.
Are all of her fantasy escorts female?
Eureka Springs @ 214
YES! I didn’t know how to get Bush in there but Tweety sure is hot for him.
One thing I hate about Republicans is their sanctimonious hypocrisy. Who else has been nailed thus far in the Pamela Martin scandal besides Tobias?
Phoenix Woman @ 212 says:
That’s similar to what a lot of folks never understood about how Kerry was swift-boated. I can guanrantee that Nixon had every aspect of Kerry’s service and medals investigated after he spoke to Congress as the head of the VVAW. If there had been anything REMOTELY hinky about him, the Trickster’s men would have found it and trumpeted it to the world in order to discredit Kerry
Wow, Elliot, I hadn’t been aware of the inconsistencies in the story re Colby’s death-I appreciate the info.
Carolyn in Baltimore @ 219
I have not seen indications otherwise. That question is among my top five questions.
All references I have seen are gender-specific as to the Associates, and all references are to females. But that might be because the question hasn’t been asked or the journalists reporting the story have made an assumption. It’s certainly worth asking Brian and Justin here.
Elliott @ 215
Just contrast somebody like Al Gore — who has been married to Tipper for nearly four decades and is still very much (and very publicly) in love with her — with somebody like Newt Gingrich. Hell, even Hill and Bill are still together after all the crap he did. But of the Republican Presidential candidates, the only one who hasn’t dumped his first (or second) wife for somebody younger is Mitt Romney (who ironically is a Mormon).
hackworth @
221
The guy who invented the term “shock and awe” in 1996 to describe asymetric warfare.
HUGE MISTAKE it was for Kerry not to slam dunk Dubya with their contrasting Military records. Was it Donna Brazille (on Rove’s council and advice) who told Kerry to take the gentlemanly high road?
dakine, you’re absolutely right (as usual) about Kerry, Swiftboating, and Nixon. They would have screamed it to the heavens. It’s sad that this group would stoop to what even Nixon wouldn’t do-just make shit up.
Carolyn in Baltimore @ 219
I’ve only heard references to women escorts, no men.
Photo of Tobias with Laura Bush.
hackworth @ 221
The guy who gave us the phrase “shock and awe”, Harlan K. Ullman, was #1, and Toesucker Dick Morris has been asked by her to testify on her behalf at her trial.
You know what would be hysterical? if it turns out Fred Thompson met his wife through Pamela Martin Associates!
RonD @ 228
It was payback to Kerry for having “betrayed” them by coming out against the war and claiming (with justification) that US troops had committed war crimes and atrocities. They’ve been whining about that since 1972.
TeddySanFran @ 230
That’s perfect. :-)
Ọ Zedwatch Ọ
Another Tobias pic, with a rather damning caption:
RonD @
206
Hey, it is what it is;> I suspect you lose points before the judgement seat for whining. And I bet there would have been more a sense of cold-bloodedness underlying their response to a question about an exposed undercover officer, than a sense that people shouldn’t hide the remote from him.
Oh. Well. I guess that does it, then. This Broder is pretty stupid, too, eh?
Phoenix Woman @ 225
That says a whole lot!
TeddySanFran @ 230
She really looks medicated.
TeddySanFran @ 230
I wonder what he’s thinking about in that picture?
hmm
lolo @
235
C’mon, give some of the rest of us a chance! Of course, you realize if it’s a Phoenix Woman post, she might try to beat us all to it before even letting us know it’s up. :})
dakine01 @ 241
but lolo’s going for a Sunday Sweep!
Elliott @ 240
It appears to me that he is thinking about the relaxing full service massage he will indulge in afterward.
I put myself through college as a cocktail waitress. One summer I worked at a high end (private)discoteque, and another young waitress and I were approached after work about being “call girls.” We sat at a restaurant with the pimp for about two hours discussing the business. Turns out then (1974) you could get $3000.00 for taking a one week cruise with a married man. Some men wanted to put the girls on retainer for whenever they came into town. $1000.00 per month for a retainer, and you could be on retainer for many men. Some only came to town once a year.
It was a fascinating discussion, although neither of us were interested. That was real money back in the day!
Elliott @ 168
I just ended a 3 day weekend. Awoke to a dozen quail feeding outside the door embraced by a desert sunrise. Now with that, jumped and image of a super-plump ‘kuail’ w/feathered hula skirt and buff little pointy hat. Enough, I better purge with the Audubon Guide.
TeddySanFran @ 236
he doesn’t seem to be looking at her face
‘dragon, your point is taken re Colby and Helms, but it’s not whining;I just think the country would have been better served by people that didn’t do shit like that-but I wouldn’t have wanted to be the guy that outed a NOC when either was in charge.
The rude pundit’s rove/leather slave bits are hysterically funny and very believable. The rude pundit is one of my faves.
Nice pics, TSF!
Frolic, eh? Don’t mind if I do…
Elliott @ 232
Hmmmm… from Wikipedia:
Pamela Martin and Associates was in business from 1993 to October of 2006. Jeri Kehn would be just the sort of person that Deborah Jeane Palfrey would have hired to work for her.
In the words of former Reagan speechwriter Peggy Noonan, “Is it irresponsible to speculate? It is irresponsible not to.”
Btw, one way to make “¢” in html is to type ¢
[Mod Note; and apparently it is also a way to trip the spam filters.]
Oklahoma kiddo @
7
Lieberman, Lieberman, oh please, oh please.
Oh, and McCain. Please, please, please.
*ilbo @
245
Elliott @ 168
cathy @ 158
I could definitely see Rove dressing up in women’s clothing. And lots of makeup.
I see him wearing those stiff petticoats we used to wear under our Sunday School dresses.
I just ended a 3 day weekend. Awoke to a dozen quail feeding outside the door embraced by a desert sunrise. Now with that, jumped an image of a super-plump ‘kuail’ w/feathered hula skirt and buff little pointy hat. Enough, I better purge with the Audubon Guide.
histerical, or is it hersterical? the funniest is that over a period of ten years or more, she seems only to’ve made about 2 million .
hmmm
The PM&A story is resonating overseas.
Pakistan Daily Times
International Herald Tribune
China Daily
Times of India
Elliott @ 240
“It’s time for me to go get another $275-an-hour massage from my dominatrix who is not a licensed massage therapist!”
Oooh! Got linkies?
Hi all,
Reporting in from PA. What have I missed in the last week?
Elliott @
232
We wondered at chez TSF if some Associates in “serious and important jobs” may have obtained those positions through their clients. Perhaps wedding bells as well?
“Saddened and disappointed” is code among the Faithful for “forgiveness”. That is, NO accountability. It’s not meant as a rational or appropriate emotional response to behavior the Faithful ordinarily deem worthy of condemnation. It’s just politics.
Just like the Colorado minister’s gay prostitution and drug use. The “cure” of his homosexuality allowed him to re-enter his christian community (as long as he did it somewhere else).
It’s hard to imagine even paedophilia (sorry, Foley) being a sin that would merit being ostracized by this administration. It’s because behavior is irrelevant. It’s not even about not getting caught; for George, it’s always been about not paying the price. And he’s built an entire political party that won’t make him do that.
just think the country would have been better served by people that didn’t do shit like that
So do I, RonD, so do I. And by whining, I meant Tenet’s refusal to act as if he had any actual responsibility over events in 2002 and 2003. Those other men didn’t seem so much occupied with blame-shifting to me.
Steve @
239
As opposed to here?
lolo got her zed
new thread
TeddySanFran @ 254
That’s true. Notice-Colby did actually TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for Phoenix. Can you imagine Tenet doing that?
Loo Hoo @ 244
I know a boy who made $25,000 for attending Fashion Week in Milan. No sex, just arm candy. In 1991. Plus expenses and first class travel, of course.
TeddySanFran @ 258
I’m enjoying this way too much.
I think I was borne to the wrong generation. Even though I served in the Pacific Fleet Navy based in Pearl Harbor, it should have been sixty years prior during WWII. Those ladies are smokin’. What happened to the savior fare of the “greatest generation”. Why did we trade the ladies of that magazine for walking stick-figure swizzle-stick action-figures like Paris Hilton?
Anyways… Great graphic TSF. Time for me to wipe the drool off my mouth and actually go read your piece now. :)
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 249
All kudos to the Graphics Goddess of FDL!
Phoenix Woman @ 249
I dunno, PW, this kind of speculation makes me a little uncomfortable….
So far, the WaPo and NYT are very quiet about this. Indeed, the entire Washington Media Establishment is very quiet.
Presumably because Karl placed a few calls on Thursday to say: your names are on their, too. If you let media coverage swarm over the White House, then we’ll turn it back on you. And Red State just *loves* a story about hypocritical journalists.
I’m not saying Broder’s name in particular is on there. Just a few high-placed Washington Bureau types. Enough to give Karl the credible threat: if you go after us, we’ll make sure the head-line says “Liberal Journalists Proven Hypocrites Once Again.”
You see, the good thing about Monica was that she didn’t work for anyone else.
verna @ 253
that they can find
cleter @ 251
Boehner, Blunt, BigTime, Davis, Westmoreland, Hastert, Lott, McConnell, Frist, Warner, Allen. My fantasy list is endless. And it’s all GOP alla time.
But I’m sure there are Dems. And we must be ready.
TeddySanFran @ 269
Speaking of Tony (I can’t wait to get back to work) Snow...
Fern @ 270
That’s because you’re a good person and I’m too much like Peggy Noonan.
And because most Democratic leaders are more like you than they are like me, that’s probably a big reason why we’re not hearing the Democratic leadership do a big-time pile-on against the Republicans over this.
For good or for ill, we are the people who pull our punches. Most of the time.
silent MSM @ 270
WaPo ran it on A-01 Saturday and Sunday. No pundit comment yet, though. I imagine somebody clean among their opinion writers will cover it tomorrow. Maybe Ruth Marcus. Or Sally Quinn. Although I suppose one would want to know one’s colleagues’ and family’s exposure before opining.
TeddySanFran @ 255
from the trib link:
[my bold]
See, there’s women for Tweety
You can get a sense of Colby, and also of what kinds of things he might have known, from the Timewatch (a British tv series, I think) videos about Gladio on this google search page. You can also download them. Don’t start me to lyin’ about anything said, but note that that really does seem to be William Colby in a couple of the interviews.
hackworth @ 221
An Iraq war strategist, a Navy Commander named Ullman, who is supposed to be an expert on “shock and awe” warfare. He said said Palfrey’s allegation “is not worth responding to.” Palfrey alleges there are politicians, lawyers, and military on her list, and some of her employees were highly placed women in Washington.
See, there’s women for Tweety
Or maybe Peter Beinart? Or Scott McClellan? Or Jonah Goldberg?
cathy @ 204
you don’t get a massage with the central american you want………you get a……..no wait; sorry, mixed metaphor!!!
Elliott @ 277
I’m guessing a guy in a flightsuit and codpiece is more Tweety’s style.
dreamcatcher @ 279
and if he weren’t involved, he would have said “No.”
Left a message with Faux News yesterday afternoon ’cause the T. Randall story was most everywhere on the web ‘cept there. Maybe they were waiting for a Democrat’s name or two to surface and lead with that. Saw the story on Faux this a.m. I’ll have to check and see if it’s been updated.
While I’d rather not imagine Karl Rove or any of his cronies doing anything but shredding documents (esp. if it involves costumes, thank you), I agree that why the Randall story matters is because his message to whole countries was “just say no.”
Elliott @
149
Hand me the brain bleach, double strength, STAT!!!
. . . guess it should’ve been “just say ‘massage’.”
TeddySanFran @ 280
lol!
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 282
he does drool over George, but he’s obsessed with Hillary, too. So he orders up the one that looks like Hillary — with a codpiece
Fern @ 270
me too. I’d rather just say she looks like a plastic bimbo draped across the arm of a slithering reptile.
Nate @ 268
No kidding, Nate. And I miss regular hairy-chested guys. What’s with the little shaved boy look. Eeek… These trends will pass.
noen @
66
Silly, this is DC! Even the hookers would have to have the appropriate level security clearance.
Other Pat @ 284
Uganda’s shining success against AIDS (A-B-C:Abstinence, Be Faithful, use Condoms) has been actively undermined by the abstinence-only and no-sex-work funding restrictions of the BushCo AIDS initiative. Uganda is going backwards in its war on AIDS; BushCo is an ally of AIDS, not AIDS prevention.
The discussion has turned somewhat cautious. I too wonder if this isn’t a weapon being swung by Rove to either tame Dems into doing less harm or if it’s being used to distract attention (and since when doesn’t sex and kink do that) from the upcoming battle over Condi’s subpoenaed testimony about how we really didn’t know if Saddam was a real threat or if he might become one.
The game is wide-ranging and during this Bush/Rove era there are an amazing choice of weapons, tactics and subterfuges.
Hey, if they’re gonna be evil they might as well use all their pitchforks.
Mitch McConnell is , Gay?
omg.
I don’t know about Klein’s reasons for saying that, but I can’t stand McConell myself so I’m glad. I wonder if he’s the secret block opposing the sunshine bill in the Senate. He openly opposed the campaign financing in the McCain Feingold that is being heard by SCOTUS last week.
there is nothing I would like better than to see this crusty lifer gone in the Senate.
Here is an amusing editorial illustration of the whole Tobias/Pamela Martin situation:
http://www.theweeklydonut.org/…..-l-tobias/
A facet I haven’t seen in discussion of this topic is the likelihood (like the sun come up in the morning) of the outing of several dozens(?) of professional women who worked for this service. I wonder how many “university professors, legal secretaries, scientists, military officers” will find their careers ended as well? As with all of these ’sex scandal’ events, most of people who will have their lives destroyed really don’t deserve it.
Ron @ 296
Well, it can complete destroy the individuals career and lead to depression and suicide.
Here is an interesting case that, in fact, might be related.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00654.html
silentmsm@271
You see, the good thing about Monica was that she didn’t work for anyone else.
Google: Lewinsky Levy Mossad for links that discuss – on both sides – just who Monica and Chandra may have been working for.