
(Lily Tomlin in The Incredible Shrinking Woman)
Glenn Greenwald is giving me goosebumps.
The national media — the World Ruled by Drudge, led around by and working in conjunction with the rest of the right-wing noise machine — have tried mightily for months to depict Nancy Pelosi as weak and her leadership in chaos, and they try to do roughly the same with Harry Reid. Yet that has all been brushed aside, as the Democratic caucus in both the Senate and the House have been shockingly unified, not just once but continuously, in their defiance of both the Leader's will and the worthless Hiatt/Broder/Fox News "warnings" about "going too far" in opposing the war and the Leader.
The elected officials comprising the Democratic caucus are very politically diverse, characterized by widely disparate ideologies, varying amounts of political courage, and completely different calculations of self-interest. Yet virtually without exception, they have remained unified in their opposition to the war and the President even in the face of the Washington Establishment's painfully trite warnings that they must capitulate for their own good. That, standing alone, is a fundamental change, a sign that something has shifted profoundly.
Yes, sir, Mr. G. I do believe you are right. The Right Wing Noise Machine did its damnedest to smear, slander, belittle, and badger The Speaker about her bipartisan trip to Syria, didn't they? They published as many photos as they could find of her wearing a hijab, they accused her of treason, they called her incompetent, they accused her of meddling. They all but Photoshopped her into a suicide belt and accused her of engineering 9/11 herself, and what happened?
Now they're trying to do the same to Harry Reid through GOP mouthpieces like "Dean" David Broder, but not only is the public proving to be seriously uninterested, but this little bit of BushCo ass-licking may have cost Broder his reputation forever. His ham-handed attempt to conflate the Majority Leader with Alberto Gonzales, accusing Reid of "bumbling" and "ineptitude" may have flown just fine in 2005, but Bush administration propaganda just isn't as potent as it used to be in swaying public opinion. See this brutal Media Matters rundown of Broder's arc from Beltway Godhead to Bleating Dickhead in just a few short, easy steps.
Think about where the Democrats were when Harry Reid became their leader in the Senate. Think about where they are now. Think about David Broder's recent prediction of a Bush comeback; his touting of Bush's response to Katrina; his praise for Cheney and Rumsfeld; his claims that journalists should apologize to Karl Rove for saying he did something he did; his call for fewer details and less discussion of policy from candidates; his defense of Richard Nixon; his prediction that if Joe Lieberman lost his primary, Democrats would perform poorly in the general election; his double standards in his coverage of candidates personal lives; his suggestion that Bill Clinton should have resigned because he "may well have lied" about sex; his unwillingness to say that a "lawless" president who "repeatedly defied the Constitution" should step down; his elitist and arrogant statement that he and his pals care more about being lied to than you do; his hypocritical statement that Kerry's and Gore's "arrogance rankled Midwesterners such as myself."
Think about all that, and ask yourself: If you were David Broder, wouldn't you — just maybe — think twice before accusing someone else of "bumbling" and "ineptitude"?
But back to the formidable Mr. Greenwald:
And then there are the not-yet-fully-appreciated revelations in George Tenet's new (and unconscionably and unforgivably belated) book, one highly illustrative example of which was recounted today by Scott Shane in The New York Times:
In January 2002, George J. Tenet, the man who oversaw all American spy agencies, was asked by a visiting Italian intelligence official what he knew about United States officials making contact with exiled Iranian opposition figures.
"I shot a look at other members of my staff in the meeting," Mr. Tenet writes in his newly published memoir. "It was clear that none of us knew what he was talking about. The Italian quickly changed the subject."
The embarrassed Mr. Tenet, then director of central intelligence, had stumbled upon a quixotic effort by a few Pentagon officials working closely with a conservative Middle East specialist, Michael A. Ledeen, to meet with Iranian dissidents living abroad. It was neither the first nor the last time he would be surprised by intelligence efforts inside the Bush administration but outside official channels. . . .
That's just great, isn't it? The very Bush cabal dead-enders who brought us the irredeemably cocked-up war in Iraq have been doing covert, extra-governmental spy work. Doesn't that make you feel safe and happy? Well, according to Greenwald, the fact that we know it is enough to signal a change in Washington's unthinking obesiance to the NeoCons.
It was prohibited for awhile to describe the work of the deceitful little neoconservative cabal in Washington which was at the center of the administration's efforts to knowingly churn out pure falsehoods in order to justify the invasion of Iraq — an invasion which (Tenet is but the latest figure to reveal) was desired and planned by Dick Cheney and friends long before the 9/11 attacks.
But the truth can only be concealed for so long, and sooner or later, it is going to be absolutely clear just how corrupt and radical the dominant political force governing the Bush administration really has been. In the world of crazed neoconservative radicals, Michael Ledeen is the Gold Standard for pure reality-detachment and a belief in deceiving the American public in order to manipulate their support for the neoconservative agenda, and yet there he was — Michael Ledeen — at the center of the cabal which was shaping foreign policy and the Iraq war, operating in secret even from our CIA Director.
Hee. The "Gold Standard for pure reality-detachment". Nice one.
Taken together, these two seemingly unconnected incidents reveal: (a) just how radical, extremist and dishonest are the people who have been running this country for the last six years, the whole Bush-led neoconservative Republican edifice loyally supported by most of the "conservative" movement, and (b) outside of the hard-core Bush followers and the stuck-in-2002 Beltway media establishment, there is a rapidly growing recognition of (a) in this country, which is beginning to engender a very potent sea change in political opinion and political power.
And most critically of all, the joint forces of the Beltway media and the right-wing machine have been almost completely impotent in trying to stem the tide. No matter what they do, public anger with the president, his party and the war just continues to grow.
Well, it's about friggin' time, isn't it?
But, yes, as sure as there are signs of spring bursting out all over, it is becoming clearer and clearer that the Right Wing Messaging Machine is working harder and harder to accomplish less and less. The public just isn't buying it anymore, and all the voices that we are so used to hearing decry us, scold us, and ominously warn us again and again that we're Going Too Far are getting smaller and shriller and less effective with every lie they tell.
Finally, one of Glenn's commenters says what I think all of us have been yearning to hear:
Stewart on Moyers' JournalI'm watching Moyers' Journal, and Jon Stewart is the guest, with Josh Marshall from TPM to follow. It's caused me to reflect on the fairly recent past, and I am getting an almost cellular sense that something very profound is beginning to bud.
I have to say that a remarkably intimate, yet expansive, community of thought seems to be forming across television, film, and the Internet. There's a rather quiet, yet intense, movement of thought and expression building. It focuses not so much on any particular ideology ("right" or "left"), but on a common, critical-mass thirst to dispel the deception, irrationality, and utter hubris that has been corroding our proud country for what seems like an eternity.
An undeniable intellectual and social confluence is rapidly gaining momentum and solidarity. This solidarity is amazingly organic, not hierarchical — its only guide is the sixth sense of skepticism, outrage, and, yes, reason. It transcends party. It is oceanic, atmospheric. An intellectual, moral, societal, and psychological gestalt as ancient as humanity itself, kept underfoot by a long winter, but indelibly germinating once again with the thaw.
It is literally everywhere now. The voices of blindness and rage cannot shake me anymore. I haven't felt such hope in a very long time.
We are making a difference. Never forget that. Even as there are setbacks and frustrations along the way, we are winning. The Right wants to portray all of us here in Left Blogistan as a deranged splinter group, but the fact of the matter is (and what Democrats seem to finally be realizing) is that we are the Early Adopters. The tide has turned. We have reached the tipping point. This will not be a brief hiccup of liberal ascendence before the "grown-ups" in government come to shut us down and usher the Republicans back into power.
This is the (long overdue) death of Reagan Conservatism. These are the Last Throes of the kind of blinkered, moronic, willfully ignorant, hateful, corrupt, violent, greedy politicking that the GOP has come to embody in recent decades. The world has seen what happens when men like Tom DeLay, Dick Cheney, and Newt Gingrich are handed the reigns to the commonwealth. Everything turns to shit.
We should thank the Republicans, though. They have established an unbroken, undeniable resume of failure that we will be able to point to for decades to come as evidence that anything as important as our national well-being should never in a million years be entrusted to a bunch of spoiled, hubristic man-children like the GOP. Their era is ending, and that alone is enough to give me hope for this world.
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ZED
Heeeeyyyy TRex, how are ya?
ZED?
I got the zero!
Evening! I’m fine, Loudoun! How are you?
Hey I got 5 Zeds in a row and 4 doubles and 1 trifecta. Yippee
Could the mighty right-wing Wurlitzer finally be reduced to a tinny toy piano?
Just fine here TRex, thanks!
lolo, you are just too good ;-)
Hi TRex
Gosh, looks like it’s just the three of us tonight.
Let’s get naked!
hee hee ;-)
“Its”. Not “it’s”. “It’s” means “it is”.
What kind of fuckery is this?!?!
“I am getting an almost cellular sense that something very profound is beginning to bud.”
Yes yes yes yes yes…
Evening all. Welcome Back EDP. How was Austin?
I’m starting to sense it too. Certain people I know around here are starting to speak up and speak out, something I thought I’d never see.
I’m here.
WOW trex, what a post.
Dana @ 18
Hey, cutie!
We MUST, we absolutely must make them pay the full price, long prison sentences. We cannot have a repeat of the Nixon era where they all walk. No more.
DrDick @ 16
I was a bit disappointed in the caliber of the papers this year, but it was a good meeting for me anyway. I got reacquainted with a colleague from NY, and we decided to team up to organize a session on changing herding strategies for next year. And my paper was well received by some fairly big names, which never hurts.
It worked so well for Ollie North and the rest of the Iran-Contra folks back in the 80s, that they thought they’d bring it out of retirement and try it again.
Great post TRex. May the right wing fall hard right on their noggins!
Hey TRex…nice post! Glenn G’wald is the man.
BTW, if you watch this early interview
by Bill Moyers of Jon Stewart in ‘03…
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour…..rtnow.html
…you can see where Bill got the idea for “Buying the War”.
LoudounLib @
7
Naw, it will just become the organ grinder with the monkey it once was. Before the fairness doctrine.
Peterr @ 23
And they’ll try again and again until we throw their asses into the 8 by 10 cells that were designed for them.
noen @ 21
Right on! How can we help make it happen?
EvilDrPuma @ 22
I enjoyed meeting you, the not-so-evil Doc. Glad you had a good stay in Austin and hope you got some food of a better caliber than that Mexican place we went to.
EvilDrPuma @ 22
Herding strategies? So where do you do your research?
Texas Betsy @ 24
And may we be there to not catch them.
TRex writes:
From your fingers to the ears of God/Gaia/The Goddess/The Spirit Masters/any other deity of your choice or worship.
I just pray that the dying throes of the GOP don’t do the most damage. They are cornered now and virtually out of all options and having nothing left to lose and in so doing, are quite capable of throwing the dice one last time and take us all down with them.
EvilDrPuma @ 31
Perhaps to yank the net away?
You’re the cutie, TRex.
But haven’t we known for an eternity that the WHIG was running espionage out of the VP Office?
And how many tipping points have there been? How small does the shrinking right have to be before we can drown ‘em in the bathtub?
PeterK @ 28
By a constant, unending swell of voices in opposition to the corporate media and GOP machine.
A bit off topic, but speaks to the shrinking right and the remote possiblity that sanity and a press whose head is only 1/2 way up the Presidents ass will show up:
Frank Rich: ‘NY Times’ Will No Longer Attend WHCA Dinner
My prediction would have to be that the press will magically wake up when we have a Democratic president in 2009. One could argue that they just woke up not to long ago – I disagree, they were pulled kicking and screaming by unprecidented scandle just to get some stories our before the 2006 elections. That is to say it don’t freakin matter when they hold back stories for Nov 14th or whatever.
Thank God for the Moyers piece, I think that is going to make it easier to get throgh the next few years of oversight and impeachments.
Texas Betsy @ 29
I enjoyed meeting you and your son, too. And yes, I did have some pretty good food, but all in all, it’s nice to be home.
noen @ 35
Mmm, I like that!
DrDick @ 33
Net? What net? (Saunters away, whistling innocently.)
dakine01 @ 32
From your fingers to the ears of God/Gaia/The Goddess/The Spirit Masters/any other deity of your choice or worship.
I just pray that the dying throes of the GOP don’t do the most damage. They are cornered now and virtually out of all options and having nothing left to lose and in so doing, are quite capable of throwing the dice one last time and take us all down with them.
God, let’s hope not! Don’t forget, most of them don’t realize it yet–after all they are the chosen ones. History sometimes moves so rapidly that it overtakes people like that.
EvilDrPuma @ 39
Oooops…my hands slipped!
EvilDrPuma @ 27
Perhaps even the cells that were designed by them — Gitmo, anyone? Don’t waterboard them, or keep them up all night or make them stand on boxes with wires in their hands and hoods over their heads . . . just give them the cells they designed as meeting the standards of humane treatment.
And give them these cells for life.
Terrific, T!
Perfect segue from the weekend into a fresh week of holdin’ feet to fire….
Just remember, Bushies believe everybody is either corruptible…or disposable.
Oversight….Oversight….oversiiiiiiiiggghhhhttt!
Someone who is a more expert on the subject feel free to jump in … but it occurs to me that the Post WWII emergence of journalistic objectivity coincides with the rise of the national security state and its ethic of lying to the public ‘for the greater good’. Prior to WWII, one had the Republican and the Democratic newspaper in town. Prior to that time, as well, the government had not the means (and perhaps not the will) to effectively plant disinformation. Did journalistic objectivity result in greater credibility? And did that make it ripe for being co-opted by the State, viz. the Mighty Wurlitzer?
Perhaps the blogs are indeed undoing this process of the past three-score years. Objectivity has been revealed to be but a thin veneer covering the motives of the powerful.
I get nervous when anyone say that something is in it’s “last throes”.
Mind the Zigs!
Peterr @ 42
Can I get an AMEN?
PeterK @ 40
God, let’s hope not! Don’t forget, most of them don’t realize it yet–after all they are the chosen ones. History sometimes moves so rapidly that it overtakes people like that.
Maybe we’ll get lucky and the rapture really will take them. I know I’m looking foreward to the event (not that I actually believe in it).
uncle toby @ 44
The govt did indeed have the capability to plant stories prior to WWII — just pass it off to the appropriate publisher friend, and he (always a he, in those days) would see that the story got out.
EvilDrPuma @ 47
Amen, Bothers and Sisters! Hallelujah and the Lord be praised!
EvilDrPuma @ 47
a-MEN!
uncle toby @ 44
The media, in whatever form, has always been compromised by powerful interests. Hearst proved that and it was true even before him.
noen @ 52
This is true. In the 19th century, many newspapers were directly controlled by political bosses.
DrDick @ 48
Maybe we’ll get lucky and the rapture really will take them. I know I’m looking foreward to the event (not that I actually believe in it).
Wouldn’t complain myself. Or an impeachment or two and some trials. In any case, remember that Nixon went without causing more damage. Let’s hope that tradition holds.
—-
It is literally everywhere now. The voices of blindness and rage cannot shake me anymore. I haven’t felt such hope in a very long time.
—-
I have hope, but I have to admit that I still feel angry every time a liar like Bill Kristol, Sean Hannity, or any Bush administration official (especially Gonzales) is allowed to pollute our public-owned airwaves with their BS. After 6 years of this, it’s visceral.
- Tom
Excellent post as usual!
Here’s their problem.
It’s becoming clear this isn’t about incompetence;
it’s far more sinister than that. It’s about lying our way into war and the profiteering that came with it. Now, once that is conclusively established (which is well on the way on many fronts), can war crimes be far behind?
You will note how I skipped over impeachment; when the turd blossom hits the fan, impeachment will be the least of their concerns.
PeterK –
Please be careful about quoting comments with quotes inside them that already have quotes inside them. While it creates a nice ziggurat, too many embedded quotes will “break the margins” and screw up the page. The moderators have to go backstage, mess with the coding, and then we all have to reload the page to clear the screen again.
Start a new comment with a reference back to the old one, like “PeterK @ 54 said”
Dana @ 18
Hi, Dana, nice to see you again!
Government itself can be seen as the compromise between capitol and labor. Civilization too is the intersection of the interests of those desiring power over the rest of the population. The conflict ebbs and flows. The pendulum is currently swinging back toward us, for the moment.
Gotta go, must put on my good public servant hat in the early AM…good night all!
an invasion which (Tenet is but the latest figure to reveal) was desired and planned by Dick Cheney and friends long before the 9/11 attacks.
9-11, the starting gun for all of the abuses and attacks on our contry from *within*, was just a lucky coincidence for the neo-crim’s. Uh huh.
The event which could not possible have happened as it was reported to have happened, pulled off by a group of people who don’t have the competence to have made it happen.
As theories go – the irresistable force theory vs. the immoveable object theory.
As tbis has proved to be a verboten topic here at FDL, I’ll move along now. If there is a heaven, when I get there I’ve got two immediate questions.
a) who killed JFK?, and
b) what’s the real story of 9-11?
Gang, I’m afraid it’s going to be an early night for me as well. I’ve been taking these long walks in the afternoon and by this time of night, I am starting to fade.
I’ll get a nap tomorrow so we can hang out late.
See you all soon.
Good night!
BTW, when does Condi testify? Is it this week?
Night TRex. Sleep well & don’t squish the kitty.
noen @ 63
I’m sure it will be very weak.
The commenter is quite poetic:
The only thing I’d disagree with is that it transcends party. It could transcend party, but the Right is so convinced of its absolute infallibility that those who dissent from it are driven out, hence the substantial shift in party ID. I welcome those who are so driven out, and hope the wingnuts continue to dig their own graves.
I have felt for years that a new wave of radical change in society is building, like the world-wide surge of the working class in the early 20th Century. That shift gave rise to labor unions and (unfortunately) the likes of the Soviet Union and Communist China. But it was all borne out of the same seeds of exploitation of the working class by the ruling class (see mile Zola’s Germinal or Steinbeck’s The Grapes of Wrath).
I thought it might take a generation or two to blossom, but maybe it’ll happen sooner. Maybe we’re seeing this new wave take root, hopefully without a repeat of the violence seen almost a century ago. At least now the working class have access to better tools with which to fight the ruling class and spread their message, bringing them more on parity.
Redshift @ 66
It does transcend party traditional lines, just not the 29% left who still favor Bush.
Peterr
and Noen
I realize that. After all, ‘Remember the Maine!’ got us into a war in much the same way as Judy Miller. But readers’ perceptions are what I am curious about. If you picked up a Hearst newspaper (or more pointedly, a pro- or anti-abolition newspaper in the 1850s), you pretty much knew what sort of viewpoint you would get. Much in the same way the Soviet population would discount the news they were getting in Pravda. In the present day, however, are people more easily duped because they assume journalistic objectivity?
(You wouldn’t believe folks–all loyal Democrats–I’d meet in 2003 or 2004 who were suprised to learn the Fox News was a Republican mouthpiece. I guess they were captivated by the flashy presentation. When they thought about it they agreed. However, it would never occurred to them that Fox News would have an agenda until it was pointed out to them.)
Hi, Redshift. I’ve been reading but not jumping into the lake. As much as I feel more hopeful at the national level, at the VA state level where we have an election this winter, I am not hopeful.
noen @ 21
Hmmm! And it was the Italians raising this issue IN JANUARY 2002?
I seem to recall that Ledeen was hanging out in Rome about that time…and also about the time that some former Italian informant was hawking some forged documents from Niger.
Why did George “allow” the Italian agent to clam up? I would have thought that he would have been putting the SISMI officer under the %th degree and asking him…
“These guys claim they are CIA?”
“What do YOU know about this?”
“Who are these ‘agents’ and who are they talking to?”
“I think that we are seeing either a rogue or false operation here…and I’m going to ask the Italian government to cooperate in our efforts to put an end to it!”
puppethead @ 67
That movement was also violently put down. Pinkerton = Blackwater anyone?
noen @ 72
Now that is a rather disturbing thought and a frighteningly close parallel.
I beg to differ. While it is true there is a lot of turning against the repukes right now, most people are as dumb as a box of rocks. I mean, there’s a reason faux n0ize is the #1 cable news network, and Loofah-boy is #1 in his time slot.
The reason is the vast majority of Americans, sadly, are sheep, who like NASCAR and “kicking ass.”
They don’t want some panty-waist librul who’s gonna give our country to them “terraists,” they want someone who will “kick ass.” They don’t care the US policy in the Middle East helped beget every terror attack against us, they don’t care about the intelligence that finally concluded Saddam didn’t have shit. They believe Saddam masterminded 9/11 and nothing you can show them will change their minds.
They’re the same people who watch “pro” wrestling, “ultimate fighter” and root for ANYONE in NASCAR but that sissy race driver Jeff Gordon. They eat at Cracker Barrel, Applebees and to them, Red Lobster is fine dining. Red Zinfandel and Gallo Chablis is “fine wine,” Budweiser really IS the “King of Beers” and they shop at Wal Mart.
They go to web sites like this one and they agree with every word it’s owner spews, no matter how wrong, bigoted or stupid.
Those people are the reasons the repukes will never be far from power again. The sheeple will always love folks who “kick ass,” whether it’s “the Undertaker” from pro wrestling, or Tom Tancredo.
People who think are in the minority. They think we’re all godless “terra-lovers.”
I wish I could agree with your assessment, but I see too much stupidity in the general populace to ever believe we’ll have much more than a paper-thin majority.
People are stupid.
Dana @ 70
You should read Waldo Jaquith ( http://waldo.jaquith.org ), if you don’t. He’s in Charlottesville, and makes a good case for why we’ll look back on this as “the brief period when Republicans controlled the government in Richmond.”
Up here in Fairfax, we’re plotting how we’re going to take back at least one house before the next redistricting.
Let this be America’s lesson from the GWBush Presidency, then: NEVER FORGET
When the 2020s roll around, and we’ve reversed the twin trends of warming and warmaking, our economy has regained its footing, our labor is valued, our assets are real, our borrowing is constrained, and our reputation mended: there will come another Horseman named Bush, Cheney, or Somesuch. Heir to the Neocons, he or she will promise pixie dust, irresponsibility, and magic numerology. And, as happened in the 1980s and at the End of the Millenium, America will be tempted.
But hold close the lesson of this very era, America: NEVER FORGET
DrDick @ 73
Never underestimate the resilience of the limbic system/reptilian brain. Like all vampires, you have to not only drive a stake through it’s heart. You have to cut off it’s head and bury it.
“Fire? Not at all…Why?”
;>)
noen @ 77
Do not forget to stuff the mouth with garlic and salt.
I wouldn’t start celebrating too soon, and Reagan Conservatives may be necessary allies when push comes to shove. The left has continually underestimated the pure venality of this crew. Reagan’s favorite president was FDR, and there is a real difference between Reagan and Bush. While I don’t want anyone at Firedoglake to think I’m recruiting for Reaganism, but Murtha mentioned impeachment today, and if it comes to that we will need every person who loves America to come forward. When these rats are finally cornered they will do anything. Everyone needs to take a deep breath and keep the pressure on, there will be plenty of time to celebrate and give credit where credit is due once they are gone. This is a criminal enterprise that is in control of our country and they will not give it up without a fight. All those who are against Bush are necessary allies and the brush strokes need to be focused on Bush and Cheney. There will be plenty of time to fight Reaganism after this nightmare is over. Isn’t the vote on impeachment two thirds? We need allies.
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 74
No need to generalize quite that much. Let’s come together as Americans and help everyone see what the real ideals of our founding fathers included.
Now why would Tenet allow that SISMI officer to “clam up”. It would seem that Tenet should have given HIM the %th degree and peppered him with questions like…
“These guys claim to be CIA?”
“They say they are acting under the authority of the CIA? Or some other agency?”
“What Iranians are they talking with and what about?”
“What else is Ledeen up to? Anything about Iraq?”
“Is he involved in violations of the Neutrality Act? Why are you concerned…what have the topics of discussion been about? Are you afraid that the exiles may be violating the terms of their residency by participating in warlike actions?”
David Broder is a deranged splinter.
darkblack @ 78
That’s some seriously shiteous fuckery!
arkieology @ 80
Unfortunately, the Reagan Republicans are Bush’s strongest supporters. He is after all the true fruition of their vision. The only potential allies we have on the right (and I for one would just as soon do without them) are whatever leftover Goldwater (true small government) Republicans and whatever remnants of the “moderate” Republicans may still survive. Ultimately we should and must do this on our own. Let all of the conservatives stew in their fetid brew.
Impeachment then Rapture
heh.
lolo AGAIN!
darkblack @ 78
“There was nothing in the memo that suggested a fire between my thighs was imminent.”
“What was the title of the memo?”
“‘Fire Determined to Erupt Between Secretary of State’s Thighs.’ What’s your point?”
arkieology @ 80
Good points. Jim Web is still a very conservative man and yet when I hear him talk I hear a man I can respect. The Bushies are not conservatives, they sociopaths pure and simple. IMHO
bonkers @ 83
Yeah. I’m still looking for the eye bleach.
My Parents Got Raptured and All I got Was This Lousy Tshirt
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 83
I think you misspelled sphincter.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 90
lol
darkblack @
78
She wears it well, doesn’t she? So natural…
Texas Betsy @
81
TB – I call ‘em like I see ‘em. I’m talking about people you could jabber at until your lungs collapsed, and they would not even give what you had to say a nanosecond of thought. They think Clusterfuck is the greatest because he “kicks ass” and because he is a “man of god.”
Beyond that, they don’t want to hear it, so they don’t. They would rather have their beliefs fed to them by El Porko Grande and Billo, and vote for people who “kick ass.”
I used to be a newspaper photographer. I got out for many reasons but one was I was just tired of being exposed to stupid people. I don’t suffer stupid very well.
david broder being raptured will be like a turkey buzzard fired out of a missile silo in nebraska
Dear Mr. G.P. Bastard,
I disagree. Everyone has been effected by these assholes. The labor movement went on for years. Sure there were problems but workers had a fair amount of power for a long time. People can pull together to make community. This will be a community built on saving this country and planet. Bank on it.
:)))
TRex
That was a very tasty bit of Snark Steak. Pass some more of that Texas Toast, will ya?
Hey, did anybody catch “Hannity’s America” tonight? He was on a tear about the threat posed to American civilization by MoveOn.org funded by the evil Jew Soros, and as an example of the decay in the Democratic party from this he cited Hillary’s recent post here on FDL after the vile black face smear on poor saintly Joe Lieberman! ROFL!!
Mary McCurnin @
97
The people I’m speaking of don’t even want to hear it. Reading what they write, listening to them speak, is like watching a person pissing themselves and they don’t even know it. They think GWB is doing a great job and they won’t brook any dissension to that concept.
Some people are beyond redemption. Sorry, that’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it.
the rapture is an idea totally ripe for ridicule.it doesn’t even come close to respectable religious thought.
total whackjob goo-goo. hilarious except nut-cases like ‘pastor’ john hagee have the ear of the deciderer.
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 95
I have debated creationists in the past and global warming skeptics recently. I have had people litterally say to me that they can disprove global warming, saying: “It’s cold outside” and they really believe that they just made a brilliant riposte. It’s sad, really.
True. It will not be quick or easy, but the tide has turned and we will get our country back.
I fear our Corporate Media is beyond all redemtion. However, they no longer seem to snicker when they mention blogs. I guess we are the new media, and have to constantly cajole them into doing their jobs. I like the way Drifty does it:
[…]
Gizmo update, sort of…
TheOtherWA @ 102
God I hope so.
Hey, GPB at 74, Firedogs and even Firepups are not stupid. They are brilliant. A previous thread even had a Charlie Daniel story-Charlie no longer uses the N-word in his songs. Even rednecks can learn.
Allow me to repeat the linky to some smart people doing a new version of “My Generation”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqfFrCUrEbY
noen @
101
If you go to the link I put in my original post, you’ll read people who use Michelle Malkin’s web site as a single source of truth. Or Ann Coulter. or James Dobson. Or (insert wingnut name here).
They are people who have given over independent thought. As long as we’re “kicking ass,” “saving unborn babies,” and praying lahk any good Christian, tha’ts all there is to their lives, other than eking out their miserable living.
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 99
Yea. But those are just the 30%ers. They live in all cultures. They live in Germany, Isreal,
Iraq, everywhere.
Gotta go. See you guys tomorrow.
Frank33 @ 106
I’m not talking about Firepups. Please read for content.
Go read Charlie’s site. He may not use N-word any more but he uses plenty of others. I mean, most public figures can tell which way the wind is blowing. Their followers, ehh, not so much.
I don’t doubt for a moment that Blackwater could be a domestic military force that the Bush fatcats are building as a way to control labor forces. But as their influence wanes their attempts at running society are collapsing as well. And there are enough enlightened corporate heads, not to mention stockholders that are in the middle class, that it won’t be as easy to suppress labor the way it was done so violently in the 1930s.
If there’s no global warming, how come winter in NY started in February and the Canadian geese idea of flying south these days is to New Jersey?
the raptured reptiles of righteousness request the pleasure of your company
a pleasure cruise to the marianas islands
where tom ‘juraissic’ delay prayed for blessings on the sweatshop owner
Thanks, Redshift. Any port in the storm–I’ll go read Waldo Jacquith. Of course, Charlottesville and Fairfax are not Richmond!
On a lighter note, how many years away are we from the rightwingers calling for a restoration of the Fairness Doctrine? I figure first the lesser hatemongers will be dropped because of shrinking audiences, and finally Rush and his ilk. Then they’ll turn to gaming the system again to try and get back into media markets. The GOP and its cast of supporting players always, always cheat.
noen @
89
The last competent conservative in the WH was TR. He understood the close relationship between conservatism and conservation, between fiscal power and frugality, between corporate rapacity and workers’ dignity.
Watching the Bush-Abe press conference from Friday on my laptop. Bush is testy, testy, testy, and nobody’s asked a question yet.
Great post TRex.The worm is turning, but we’re gonna have to work our friggin’ tails off (relax – I’m speaking figuratively, dinodog), because they’re still very, very well funded. And their 15 percent core has only been whittled down a teeny bit.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 96
LOL! Mabel, you are smokin’ tonight.
puppethead @
115
I’m not holding my breath.
When the sillies scoff at global warming because it’s cold outside, ask them if the obituary page is proof that the population is not growing.
I see dead people.
darkblack @
78
sweet
Watching the Bush-Abe press conference from Friday on my laptop. Bush is testy, testy, testy, and nobody’s asked a question yet.
————-
“a dictatorship would be fine as long as I am the dictator’
The right is splintering faster than 2 year old wood in Phoenix, Arizona. Perhaps they need a little duct tape and visqueen to shore themselves up?
hey Hotflash! :-)
Oilfieldguy @ 117
exactly
Mabel’s Wig Shack @
91
Roflmao!
Wonderful post, TRex. Thanks!
“Early Adopters”, tee hee. And stock options, too!
Oilfieldguy @
119
interesting, OFG. I was thinking the same thing early this morning while thinking about how many notable people are passing away recently.
Thanks for the post TRex.
Thanks for all the thoughtful comments everybody.
time for beddybye.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 126
sleep well
Liberty Lover @ 125
…this lousy T-shirt that they _______ .
Ed*ard Teller: You mentioned a few nights ago that you know alot about Mike Gravel. I’m thinking of giving him some support based on his debate performance and some other clips. Plus, the history about the filibuster and Pentagon Papers.
Is he for real, or is there something I should know about before supporting him?
Darth Cheney is sharping his knife. This will interesting to watch tomorrow.
Raw Story Link
bonkers @ 129
He’s not a young man. Already 76. Also, what’s he been doing for the past 30 yrs? Anyone know?
Well, Firepups, two days of reading turgid undergraduate prose has turned my brain to mush. I am going to follow TRex’s example and crawl off to bed and curl up with my kitties. Night all.
Boy, do I need the soothing waters of the Lake tonight. Any new scandals de jour since this afternoon?
Finishing up BBQing tandoori chicken in the evening sun. The ice on the lake is rapidly losing its integrity. A Cessna 180 just flew about 200 feet above the house, scaring the grebes at the ice edge, who arrived this morning. Chicken’s done…
Alicia @
94
She looks like a Dr. Evil minion in that photo. I wonder if she is dating Mini-Me?
Speaking of George Tenet, Did anyone else see/hear him say emphatically and repeatedly on 60 Minutes, “We don’t torture”?
Suzanne @ 133
Welcome Suzanne.
Dana @ 136
Perhaps that was what prompted someone on the earlier thread to shout that Tenet is a LIAR!!!!
Full disclosure: I cannot take credit for the obit analogy. I believe it was he who was highlighted in TRex’s post tonight–Glenn Greenwald.
Thanks for the commentary on the Greenwald analysis! We must not dream, however, that all we need to do is sit back and watch the Republican Party dissolve like the Wicked Witch of the West. We must continue to do the work that we are doing. Remember, after Iran-Contra, we thought that Elliot Abrams, Oliver North, Admiral Poindexter, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld had been marginalized and neutralized.
What the Neocons are attempting is not much different than what Hitler’s politicians did to take over the government of Germany. The crimes that they have committed must ALL be prosecuted, even (and perhaps especially) after there is no longer a Republican president to pardon them.
Bob in HI
Oilfieldguy @ 119
hi ofg!
All I want is sharks with Frikkin laser beams coming out of their heads.
GPB,
I they love ass kicking, they ought to love Pelosi and Waxman….
Hello TSF! And Goodnight all pups.
Oilfieldguy @ 144
Excuse me, I’ll have whatever it is OFG is having, please.
Think we’ll ever forget?
bonkers @ 131
Let’s find a way to keep him in the race until March 2008 without sending him real money, He isn’t for real, but he’ll add a needed dimension to the race.
He’s probably had somebody go in and clean his wikipedia entry since 2006, because it used to include some of his more ephemerally bizarre ideas, like putting a dome over Mt. McKinley, so we could extend the tourist season there.
My personal contacts with him were mixed. He can be brilliant, and – not unlike 90 percent of US Senators – can be hopelessly self-centered.
Loo Hoo @ 146
How much have we already forgotten?
Let’s at least solve the world’s problems with some good accompaniment, shall we:
from Pulse: the long version of Comfortably Numb -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-MLxgkiPNg
Ed*ard Teller: Many thanks for the info! Yes, nice to have him there to shift debate to the left, at least somewhat.
To paraphrase what Atrios said about this in a recent post:
Up until very recently, we could count on the fingers of one hand the number of sane journalists out there. Every so often, one or two of them would make a breakthrough, but nobody else would follow up and the story — the narrative — would die.
Now, there are enough people in the reality-based community — bloggers, radio personalities, radio networks, TV shows — that we can create and sustain narratives. More importantly, we can affect how the mainstream press does narratives.
Suzanne @ 135
Hi Suzanne — our new local scandal seems to be how vulnerable the Bay Area transportation infrastructure is to something like this.
Free transit tomorrow!
Rheinhard @ 99
Is this a first??? FDL on Fox news?
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 74,
I agree with you.
They’re safe, for now. They have jobs..this month. They have insurance…now. Their kids are in Christian “acadamies”…now. They have houses that aren’t in foreclosure…for now.
See them jobless for months and months, boom boom, all gone, what happened? Where’s that safety net? They find out they’re social pariahs. The church? Nooo. People act as if job loss or a catastrophic illness is catching, even from a distance.
That’s my interpretation of Ohio’s Democratic win: we have a bunch of people who lost a very comfortable way of life, and they woke up with a start.
As to wrestling and Nascar, I have sons who like wrestling and lots of acquaintances who like Nascar. It doesn’t make them stupid.
Patrick 4/4 @ 88
just back from a short
getaway to the surf and sun. . .
i love this graphic! — now,
for a few of my own — take
a peek, here. . .
some new stuff on the latest
goodling e-mails, etc. . .
take a look. . .
Hey, Teddy, I saw that today and was glad my traffic directing days are behind me. I’ve worked when the freeway was shut down – not pretty when freeway traffic goes through town.
just back from a short
getaway to the surf and sun. . .
dag! — chumped up!
here’s the link:
i love this graphic! — now,
for a few of my own — take
a peek, here. . .
some new stuff on the latest
goodling e-mails, etc. . .
take a look. . .
Dana @
34
This is the thing– and why there needs to be a follow-up to Plame-Gate so that we can get some real indictments of everyone in the WHIG. What is going on in the SSCI? Who will follow up on the dirt on Cheney in Tenet’s book? The whole OVP is a cancer on the presidency.
Bob in HI
Loo Hoo @ 155
Darkblack will be pissed.
Suzanne @ 135
Hi Suzanne,
Think Progress has a letter from CIA agents to George Tenant.
http://thinkprogress.org/
AZ Matt @
132
And who knows better than Tenet that one of the nicknames for Cheney is “Big Time”? That name is based on an open microphone quote to Bush during one of their campaign appearances together.
Dana @ 138
That sure seemed to me like he was lying big time.
“Dean” David Broder…
Otherwise known as: David “Hindenberg” Broder
AZ Matt @
161
I taped the rebroadcast of the piece and if it doesn’t show up on youtube by tomorrow, maybe I’ll upload it so people can have a laugh tearing it to shreds.
My favorite line, that us wacko leftists are ushering in a REIGN OF TERROR over the Democratic party!!
EvilDrPuma @
47
Amen! And I’d even consider doing it before we put habeas corpus back.
Speaking of which, during one of my walks this week, I listened to a quite excellent episode of This American Life on my MP3 player. It is called Habeas Schmabeas and it won a Peabody award. It was very enlightening, but I warn you that it will not cheer you up except to confirm shared humanity with people unfairly accused.
Here is the link to a free MP3 download. You can listen to it online and it will also be broadcast as this week’s episode of This American Life.
I certainly hope that Cheney is in for some big time karma payback.
Forker is over-due.
Sounds like an interesting read. From AlterNet:
LINK
Loo Hoo @ 148
I never thought America would forget Nixon’s rape of the rule of law and Reagan’s carelessness with the lives of his fellow humans. I was wrong.
So, I’m just saying: NEVER FORGET
Dana @ 138
I found the whole interview rather bizarre, especially that part. To me, it seemed almost rehearsed at times. I haven’t trusted the reporter Pelley since he started saying “Democrat Party” in his stories. Plus, he seems to be the reporter of choice for any neocon that appears on the show.
Isn’t it strange how there are so many people (using that term lightly) in the cabal that get so combative and defensive when questioned? They’re always so “tough” after the fact when interviewed, but while on the job, everything is always someone else’s fault, and they’re too busy to make sure their departments are on the up and up. Tenet even said in the interview one of my favorite Repukelickin talking points, the ‘ol: “That’s not how it’s done in Washington, don’t you understand!?! The President trusts his underlings to make the decisions on these huge issues.” (paraphrasing) Of course this goes unchallenged by Pelley. Is he the Decider or not?!?
I wonder if Tenet and Abu Gonezales have the same media coach?
cal @ 164
Broder eats quail with Karl Rove, so we could try “Quail” Broder.
I recall John Mitchell on Capitol Hill vividly — no one had ever heard anyone say under oath “I do not recall.” Now it is their mantra.
Rheinhard @ 99
Wow. Sounds like Hannity contorted himself into another dimension! Was there a sonic boom when he winked out of sight?
It occurs to me how much like the early to mid 70’s we are again. A criminal cabal in the White House. Gas prices through the roof. Once again, there is talk about alternative energy. We are headed towards a recession, if not a downright depression.
Strange to see so much of that era repeating.
cal @
165
ah, the Hindenberg metaphor…
Of course, Tenet was lying about torture. But he’s not lying about Cheney and his little nasty spy operation. And Bush gets off easy in Tenet’s story. Some lies, some probable truth, crap!
How does Cheney even find the energy to walk around, much less travel and deliver diatribes against the Democrats? I wonder how sick–physically–he really is.
TeddySanFran @ 173
And Spiro Agnew made “nolo contendre” fashionable, too.
The key thing here is to remind everyone that Cheney and Rumsfeld and Rove and Wolfowitz are all ex-Reagan and/or ex-Nixon staffers. The Republicans are going to do their damndest to pretend that Bush really isn’t one of them, when in fact the main difference between him and Nixon/Reagan is that he had FOX News, Rush Limbaugh and the other hate-radio goons, and a Republican Congress enabling his every move.
Suzanne @ 175
Oooh! Do we get to hear Dick Cheney muttering “nolo contendre” over and over again before resigning?
“Saturday night I was downtown working for the FBI…”
Long cool woman in a black dress…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP94PlEtsEQ
noen @
45
your instincts are good. if we want to remain “the Reality-Based Community” we will recognize the tide-like ebb and flow of what’s going on right now. the neocons and other Republics are in disarray but they will regroup. and corporate America, lead by the MSM, will continue to make things difficult for Progressive Politics in this country. right now things are as easy as they are going to get. the battle will never end and it will become more difficult, and sooner rather than later.
Dana @ 177
I’m tellin ya, he’s already told his buddy Kenny Boy Lay not to drink all the scotch. DeadEye will arrive at the remote island soon enough, just as soon as his “heart” “fails.”
rxbusa: “I listened to a quite excellent episode of This American Life on my MP3 player. It is called Habeas Schmabeas and it won a Peabody award.” I listened to that too! It was excellent, but horrible to contemplate. Hard to believe it’s our own country.
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 74
HEY! You’re talking about US!
You’re talking about all us Firepups!
Speak for yourself! We’re the vanguard, remember?
Bob in HI
Dana @ 114
I agree, and we may not be able to do much about your local politics, but if we can keep swinging the legislature our way, it’ll help there, too.
pwrlght @ 137
She’s probably dating Fat B*stard.
Guitar Playing Bastard @74:
while I generally agree with your low opinion of the attention span and intellectual acumen of the American public, I don’t agree that they will never change their minds. The Bushies have been exploiting their social conservatism at the same time they’ve been siphoning their wallets. I think they are noticing.
I live in the SF Bay area blue bubble, but have a job that takes me to a red state regularly and I notice the “cellular” reaction taking root there, too.
TeddySanFran @
170
I know. And agree.
We have wounded vets overwhelming the military health care system from a dirty war – just as we did then.
Abortion was being argued before the Supremes.
Illegal wiretaps.
I know I’m missing other similarities.
Alicia @ 185
okay – now I just vomited in my mouth at that mental image.
as human awareness globalizes there is an increasing sense of the inevitable evolutionary forces trying to kill off that part of the life organism which is not the fittest
in what is a monumental irony, america, which deludes itself as being a source of strength and light, is actually the weakest and darkest component of the life organism, a cancer really which is in danger of killing off the organism itself
unfortunately, as a cancer does commit suicide by killing its host, its not inevitable human life will survive the forces that would be unleashed by the psychotic greed, selfishness, and bloodlust delivered via nuclear bombs
a world is trying to be born which is just and decent, kind and caring, a world which loves the palestinian and jew alike, the male and female alike, the black and the white alike, the ugly and beautiful alike, the strong and weak alike
a world which shares its resources fairly, cares for one another, cares for the planet together
methinks we’re f**ked
Phoenix Woman @
174
more validation of FDL ……..
Haven’t read through the comments yet, but am just so thrilled to read this I had to jump in and comment.
I’ve felt for several years now that the “end times” was a very real thing that we were heading towards. But I always believed that it was the end times of the those stuck in the world of hate and greed being in power. That a new era was just waiting to burst forth, but those in the “old energy” would fight with everything they had even as they knew their time was over.
I still think we have yet to see the worst of what they’re capable of as they struggle to hang on to their power, but I also feel much hope that it’s very close to their end times.
All of us must continue to shine the light of truth and love to all the dark areas of the world. Our numbers continue to grow and everyone knows where there is too much light, darkness can not exist.
Thank you for this hopeful, inspiring post, TRex!
Time for me to turn in. Need to be up early for an outpatient medical procedure. Hope to be in shape for a dip in the lake by evening.
fahrender @ 181
He said Last Throes, with capital letters.
gregory @ 191
Dude, have ya ever watched Star Trek? We can do this. Buck up camper!
noen @ 77
Yes. It is really creepy how often humans revisit the march-in-lockstep obeisance behavior of whole societies. I am a skeptic in every cell in my body, but—or therefore—I really notice how comfortable most people are at being told what to do and usually actually do it. Easier than thinking for yourself, I guess.
gregory @
191
My aren’t you a cheery fucker!
Phoenix Woman @ 178
This is what I’ve been thinking for a while now. It’s only a matter of time before they throw him under the bus and disown him – watch for the calls of “He’s not a real conservative or a real Republican!”, followed by entreaties to elect ‘real’ righties who will make everything ‘right’…
Rheinhard @ 99
‘Catch’? Ewww, is it contagious? Like the plague?
Frankly, I can’t stomach having Halberstam and Broder in the same sentence. There’s no comparison. One was an independent, thinking journalist, the other a bit-player who may once have pretended to do the same as a way to cozy up to power. Icon versus worm. By the way, when did Broder supposedly “win” all these awards? He’s done nothing for me in years but be a classical regime sycophant, nosing up to the bushites’ backsides and sniping whenever Dems get some courage up. He’s no journalist based on his latest swill, that’s for sure.
I couldn’t help but squib much of the same Greenwald in my own post last night. Great to be part of a community. I dubbed mine “OMG, Where’s That Tide Table?,” in homage to the “sea change” theme of GG’s post, but I have had “Sea Cruise” happily earworming me ever since!
Bush-impeachment Nation?
Evening, GPB!
bonkers @ 193
I like your spirit!
nolo, You do the graphics on blogspot? If you do, they’re great! If you don’t they’re still bien bueno.
Alicia @ 199
This has been happening quite a bit already. I also think it’s gonna become the mantra, Big-time, as Tenet would say. That’s why I think it’s SO important to not let them get away with this. All the killing and our Constitutional Crisis have been caused by Republicans. Simple as that. They not only enabled the cabal, they shouted down and demonized any dissent.
The Repukelickin Party needs to wear this disaster around their necks for the next 30, 40, hell, 100 years.
Texas Betsy @ 194
Wishing all goes smoothly for you tomorrow.
{{{{{TexasBetsey}}}}}
TB, please keep us posted – you are in my prayers.
Suzanne @ 207
Mine too, TB! Good luck and see you tomorrow!
Have you hugged a Wingertoday?
Is TRex still here?
I would like to thank him for this transcendent post.
Let us hope that positive change continues to occur and increase.
noen @ 102
[snip]
The response to that is, “Oh, then you don’t think we’re going to have summer next year?”
Bob in HI
Good luck tomorrow Aunt Betsy!
lolo
Another blog-by; and you can taste the omniscience all the way from May 2006.**
I had the “profound shift” thing called over a year ago, even before this comment (going back to my Myth, Marketing & Maslow/Rover not a genuis/they’r doomed posts). I must be uber-formidable.
Loo Hoo @ 209
Sorry, meant to hook you up to an alternative way of dealing with Wingnuts:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/
Funny how the Foxholes are projecting such all powerful abilities onto George Soros.
Imagine if Soros owned networks, satellites, stations, and magazines up the wazoo like old Poop-squirt Murdoch?
-GSD
Loo Hoo @ 209
I’ve been thinking about starting a site called GOP TLC. It would be about welcoming all the reasonable Republicans into the light, or DemocratIC Party. Lots of links to places like FDL and others that demonstrate how great liberalism can make you feel. Want to turn the horrific events of the last 6 years, dare I say 26 years, into a positive, and shift the political pendulum back to a place where Russ Feingold is considered a “centrist,” which he is.
If someone wants to steal it, great, since I’ll probably never actually get around to it.
Hey, EPU, nice to see your evil parallel presence again.
EPU,
One of the turning points was Hurricane Katrina….Another was Colbert at the Press Club…another was Bill Clinton snapping on smarmy Chris Wallace….Some also talk of the Curse of Cindy Sheehan….Keith Olbermann’s special comments too.
All of these points helped to push the momentum against Bush….
-GSD
nolo @ 159
I agree with you. When I saw that e-mail it looked like a routine update notice to me.
GSD @ 218
Don’t forget Murtha.
nolo @
159
Nice layout and visuals, nolo
:)
noen @
102
Where there’s death, there’s hope.
One of the key differences between the 60s and today is in the very nature of the protest.
The hippies, by and large, set themselves up in opposition to ‘the man’ and his ‘establishment.’ They weren’t offering a competing vision so much as opting-out and choosing to pursue personal freedom – politically, socially, sexually and spiritually.
Their protests weren’t attempts to get more involved with the actual system itself – but more of a ‘hands-off’ shout-back, imvho.
What we’re seeing today, led by FDL and other progressive sites, is truly a grass roots movement, by contrast. Beacons of Freedom like the Lake serve to inform and educate the mass of our brothers and sisters that ‘we’ are the system.
To the extent that we are involved, the Country will make an adaptive shift more reflective of our Current Concerns and away from the Ideology of Yesteryear.
As I see it, a slow but steady groundswell of informed optimism will eventually float All boats. The ‘old’ way will molt off to reveal a shiny new US – AND we’ll be up to the task of establishing ourselves *anew* as trustworthy, respectful and responsible partners with our estranged fellow earthlings.
pwrlght @ 220
And Walter Reed, which made a sad mockery of the Bushies’ “Support the Troops” mantra…
Then you have people like you and i, and the rest of the Firepups. We’re a different sort i think. The ability to see those bad orders and not follow them. (i get into arguments with bad management over crap like that at work. i dont’ stand for it outside of work either.) Thinking for ourselves is definitely it. But it’s also something that shows very early in personalities.
PW,
Yep. Jack Murtha was really one of the big turning points too. It gave those on the fence about the war a glimpse of what they’d be treated like if they too got off of the war bus.
Old Mean Jean Schmidt was the poster hag of overreaction.
-GSD
“But al-Rubaie said the U.S. has not shared any proof with the Iraqi government that Iran is arming insurgents in the country.
“I’m saying this categorically: There is no solid evidence that Iran is supporting or helping al-Qaida in any way,” he said in Tampa, Fla. where he is attending a three-day meeting with other international defense leaders at U.S. Central Command headquarters.”
Now if Bush and Cheney can get the Iraq leaders back on message about Iran.
radiofreewill @ 223
Thanks to an amazing document called the American Constitution, this can happen quickly. Every citizen needs to get familiar with the document and understand it. The Constitution needs to be at the center of all political discourse and debate.
Also, thank doG for the hippies and every form of protest before them. Each successive “movement” builds upon the accomplishments of the prior ones.
Hi everybody-Suzanne, I think your pointing out the parallels between now and the early 70’s is very astute-but let’s extend it a little. After the Dem sweep in ‘76, a concerted propaganda effort, 20% interest rates, and some regrettably amateurish Administration mistakes all combimed into our “national malaise”-and four years later Reagan moved into the WH and brought along all the ghouls, and their policies, we thought we had buried four years earlier. The Dems will have to really screw it up to lose in ‘08-but I’m wondering what shape the inevitable counterattack will take.
gregory @ 191
Don’t give up hope…When I have moments like these, I look at photos taken from the Hubble Space Craft and realize our shared insignificance. Some might take issue with my methodology, but it works for me.
I was about to slit my wrists when I reached p. 72 of Greenwald’s Patriot book, but fortunately I turned to page 73 and there was hope of rational thought from law and order GOP types…etc.
GSD @ 226
Well Mean Jean was a turning point as well. She was just so offensive that it showed the ugly face of SUPPORT OUR TROOP – don’t ask questions – go shopping – give up your liberties – BUY BUY BUY – Be afraid, be very afraid – mantra of Bush Co. that people were offended. Which prompted people to start questioning.
I hope Stephanie Miller is better than Michael Smerconish was on Imus this past week which was awful, awful, awful. I hope MSNBC stops falling all over itself trying to be the perfect PC network soon. I think they should give the show to Phyllis Diller and get on with the old format.
darkblack @ 221
Nolo, excellent Blog, I agree whole-heartedly with your Ques: “Where’s the Well’s memo/e-mail?” Marcy’s riposte in TNH covers the same terrain, I’m sure you’ve chatted with her? OT- Aloha pups, I’ve been away, Man, its hard to catchup on the Lake, forget about reading the comments from day old posts! Whew!!!
EPU @ # 213:
I must be uber-formidable.
Beyond UBER-formidable, friend. Good to see your blog-by post!
FDL!
bonkers @ 216
Another idea for the GOP TLC blog:
suggest they watch Judgment at Nuremburg again. I never saw it until last night on AMC. Wow! It really packs a punch and the whole time I am thinking: we want to continue to think we are the good guys. Go to
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055031/
to read the full paragraph quotes from Burt Lancaster’s speech (on trial as the Nazi with a gnawing conscience) and Spencer Tracy’s conclusions as one of the US tribunal judges. It’s worth reading, believe me.
RonD @ 228
RonD, I’m pretty sure that the election which propelled the Actor-In-Chief into the White House was another heist, especially with the hostage stuff. Ol’ Cottonhead was a plant just like Bush – the first step towards where we are today.
Hello, Guitarplayingbastard, I followed your lnk from a few posts ago over to Charlie Daniels site. I am going to station myself there as the resident troll, I think. Although I enjoy this group tremendously, we are all talking to the choir. The real work is out there among the wingn… um right of center blogs (I wish I knew how to do that crossing out words thing)
Let’s each of us adopt a site and bring the readers into the light, one tiny spark at a time. Some may be unreachable, but it’s like being missionaries in China, a few successes can breed more emmissaries.
CNN Quick Vote:
Did the Bush administration mischaracterize ex-CIA Director George Tenet’s “slam dunk” comment?
They only have a yes or no answer option. I would like to add the button – yes, but Tenet is still a milquetoast for not resigning and stating publicly that Bush Co. was starting an unnecessary war.
Hi Alicia-BTW, will you post a link to your music site so I can check it out?
stratocruiser @ 237
Highlight what you want to cross out and click on the ‘S’ at the top of the box to the left of ‘code’.
Where are you posting over at Charlie Daniels? I don’t think I could bring myself to post, but I’d like to lurk and read your stuff!
Stratocruiser, there’s a blog FAQ over at Daily Kos that explains in detail how to do the strikeout thing among other thigs.
Fantastic post. Are we to really believe the walk not the typing wore our mighty theropod out today?
None the less.. It leaves so many thoughts hanging even after a hundred firedogs chew on it.
This is so far from being over… I don’t know if the tipping point has occurred yet.. just from reading the bill passed last week..this occupation is nowhere near over. At best a 40k troop reduction is now in play. Permanent bases are fully funded and manned with no suggestion of an end.
We have to prosecute these people, especially the Ledeens and their organizers (Cheney to the Feiths) and the big chiefs in the secret energy meeting who probably brought these members into power for the sole purpose of burning Iraq along with our blood and treasure not to mention our friends or our dignity.
I don’t think quite as many folks are stupid as much as they are just uninformed and apathetic… they rightfully have no idea the power lies with them to demand change. Who is to blame? No time for that now. We FDLers and others must continue to nail the press and try to spread the news as much as possible.
If we don’t do much more than hold a lot of these cabal members accountable then we will repeat this again.
We have to kill the military ind complex once and for all. We have to open the doors of secrecy within our government because one thing is clear Tenet is the type who runs it and he had no clue what was going on and when he did the worst still happened. One thing is clear, far to few of our congress members have any ability to know the secrets in our government. This simply cannot be left in tact to happen again. No more secrets!
We need to have full disclosure of all financial backers of lobbyists especially Aspen Inst and A*P*C.. and all others.
We need to tax the rich until our debt is down, at least.
We need net neutrality and more than a fairness doctrine.
We need health care for all.
We need the conversation longed for by several good comments posted today at the end of Pachs late nite post.
We need to simply take control of the rich lazy robber barrons who see us as their servants! We need to elect nurses, teachers, scientists, organic farmers, constitutional scholars, not just lawyers and old wealthy family members.
We need to tax the heck out of any church who dare participate in politics. (h/t Suzanne)
A real energy policy and address global warming.
We must end any possibility of the unilateral executive ever again.
Last but not least on my short list we need public campaign finance.
RonD @ 239
Sure, RonD – here is the music page on my personal site. Hope you like!
Standing on chair clapping. Most excellent rant, ES.
Man, I thought I’d be the only one awake now. What are all you night owls doing here?
Whoo you calling a nite owl :)
LJ, It’s only one am. I still have to write a letter and watch the Sopranos.
Alicia, I’ll be there under the same nom de plume. I just posted one this afternoon replying to one of their more outrageous
nutcasescommenters.Riding out the dregs of a caffeine overdose.You?
Eureka Springs @ 242
What else I’d add: We need a justice system that makes a white man who steals $20 million dollars serve more time than the brown man who steals a $500 TV.
LJ/Aquaria @ 245
You must be East Coast – it’s barely evening out here in the Land of Fruits and Nuts.
Neat, it works!
stratocruiser @ 248
Is it the message board?
do-si-do @ 235
I want to second that. I saw Judgement at Nuremberg for the first time last week. It was stunning. And it focuses directly on the corruption of the judicial system under the Nazis. What could be more timely?
Wee bit after 11pm here on the left coast
LJ/Aquaria @ 250
Holla!!!!!!!
Sheesh, I have the freeways of San Antonio just about all to myself at this hour. Of course, that all changes at 2 a.m.
Ron:
I’m a night shift worker. I’ve been out for a bit (bad kidney), so I’m getting back in my groove before I return on Wed. nite.
Alicia @ 256
That’s one of my big pet peeves with our “justice” system. What we have now is completely irrational. Of course, it “serves” the interests of certain people. But fuck them.
AZ Matt @
132
George Tenet does not get to decide what we need to know, any more than Georgie Bush gets to decide. I hope when he testifies before congress shortly, someone remembers to ask him some detailed questions about this!
Bob in HI
Suzanne @
244
Agreed!
My son’s in town between semesters, haven’t seen him in a few months, so I’m milking it every last minute that I can-and turning him on to the “lake in the process.
Texas Betsy @
133
I think in the debate he said he’d been hiding under a rock *g*
Bob in HI
LJ/Aquaria @ 250
A-friggin-men
LJ/Aquaria @
245
It’s 11:25 California time, and I slept in till late thirty this morning.
Of course, our justice system also imprisons people for smoking non-government-approved plants.
Dana @
138
That was a weird exchange. He sounded like George Bush, as if he was uttering “policy” rather than stating facts.
Bob in HI
Suzanne @ 244
Bravo!!!!
RonD @ 265
That’s because mostly brown people did it. What better way to keep them powerless than to use their escape hatches to imprison them?
I heard Bill Maher say the same thing:The drug war is mostly about keeping black men from voting by find out what they use to escape and making it illegal. Or something to that effect.
RonD @ 261
That’s the way! I’m trying to inform my kids the best I can – you don’t know if it will stick, but you never know what can spark their interest in what’s happening in the world.
A sane legalization policy is another thing that went down with Carter in ‘80. Talk about great turning points!
must hit the hay – even out here, 5 AM comes around quick…night, all.
I’m looking over this Media Matters link to that man who I’d get on his lap and call him Daddy, Jamison Foser.
Just loved this little bit:
The accolades for Broder have shown no sign of slowing down in recent years: his colleagues routinely speak of him in the hushed, awed tone they typically reserve for John McCain and Joe Lieberman.
There it is. All that needs to be said about the Beltway media. Broder, McCain and Lieberman held in awe. Our MSM is in thrall to the Three Stooges.
Alicia, one of the proudest moments of my life was my 4-year-old son turning to me during some Iran-Contra testimony and saying.”He’s lying, isn’t he, Dad?”
RonD @ 274
Wow. That’s something to be proud of.
Hi. I just loaded the page and read TRex’s post. Haven’t read any comments yet. Just want to say…
wow!
Might have more words later, maybe not. Thanks for the links and analysis, MrRex.
LJ/A@273, You’re so evil!!!!
Ed*ard Teller wrote this about Mike Gravel in a thread last month or last year…not sure
RonD @ 274
Totally awesome.
My son’s dad was amazed when he came home from alert duty once and my son would point to the TV and say, “Nelson Mandela, Daddy. Free man! Yay!”
CTuttle @ 277
Is it for the lap dance for Daddy thing, or the Three Stooges line? Just so I know. ;)
Suzanne @ 244
What Suzanne said except I am sitting in chair clapping cause I’ve been drinking some great cheap wine from TJ’s celebrating the next three days off.
OT dear ES but about 75 seniors saw your loan copy of Noam Chomsky and a couple dozen visitors to the galleries. Thank you for sending it out and with luck it should be back in your hands by the end of the week. Cannot thank you enough for sharing.
ES@278, You’re smoking tonite!!!! SSSSSSSS…..
LJ/Aquaria @ 280
Do I really have to choose? :)
newspaperbrat @ 281
Fantastic! You are a busy, busy, firepup! Bravo!
newspaperbrat @ 281
Please do not use the letters TJ around the word drinking. I still have a vicious hangover from a 1979 drinking bout involving TJ Swann’s Steppin’ Out.
newspaperbrat – If more folks will watch it..you should hang onto it as long as you like.
CTuttle @ 283
Well, they do say politics makes strange bedfellows. Although that phrase always conjured a very strange image in my head…
Well, they do say politics makes strange bedfellows. Although that phrase always conjured a very strange image in my head…
I do believe the DC Madam case is going to give us proof of just how strange.
Didn’t the book The Happy Hooker come out in the 70’s?
Suzanne @ 288
My idea of it would have involved someone like Jeff Gannon Guckert Heimer Schmidt.
Wingnut talking point defense in hooker scandal: “Clinton did it too!”
LJ/Aquaria @ 287
Particularily, when it involves serious issues; i.e. Waters/Kucinich voting with the Neocon Deadenders, Bob Barr cozying up to Pelosi on FISA accountability, very strange bedfellows, indeed!!!!
Suzanne @ 288
Tsk, tsk, let’s not think of the ten thousand Massages! Deliciously devine!!!
ES @ #278,
Thanks for helping me not describe that again. I guess I wrote it right after Gravel threw his Filson coat in the ring. Still rings true.
Agree with them or not. They voted no because the bill was weak in their eyes..they want us out now.
neo-nuts…well, you know.
RonD @ 291
Clinton didn’t have to pay for it. Big difference.
ET – ’twas a great post…just glad I was able to dig it up…)
Suzanne#296-the difference between them and us!!!LOLOLOL
Alicia, It’s the “Soapbox and Message Board” http://www.multimedia-interact…..m.php?id=4
I replied to swandive4, who is as ignorant of everything beyong parroted Hannity as he is longwinded.
I really think that some of the readers of these boards are just lacking practice at clear thinking.
Yea, but, I bet he wished he paid for the dry cleaning.
Eureka Springs @ 295
I was merely pointing out the sheer irony of the situation, I’ve met Kuchinich, and shook his hand, looking down at him, I might add!
Suzanne @ 296
All I have to say about this is that, if there hadn’t been those 10K people all around, and a barricade when BC gave me the lookover and a prolonged handshake that everyone around me noticed, well… Monica, you wouldna stood a chance, honey!
CTuttle – Tell me more.. I want to vote for him.
I got to shake his hand at U of FL in ‘92. Absolutely magnetic. Even though I knew nothing about him at the time except that he gave a really boring speech at the ‘88 convention.
LJ/Aquaria @ 302
best big dog story in months! thanks, LJ/Aquaria
Suzanne @ 296
Ahhh, but it did! It politically ham-strung Bill’s last two years of initiatives, whereby the executive was answering subpoena after subpoena! A thousand issued by Newtco., Six issued by the infamous, rubber-stamp, ‘Do Nothing’ congress(es)!
CT#306, I really believe that if it hadn’t been Monica, it would have been something else. They weren’t going to give him his initiatives no matter what he did.
Perhaps I should have said remit montetary payment in advance of services rendered.
He absolutely paid for it after the fact in a completely different sense.
Wasn’t it Tom DeLay who said the impeachment of Bill Clinton was the most important thing he would ever do?
LJ/Aquaria @ 273
It was about a year ago that I first heard him described as “the dean of Washington journalism.” I was astounded to say the least. I had always thought of him as something of a corporate-welfare case. “Been around so long we can’t fire him.”
This, however, has not been a good week for David Broder:
* Fifty Democratic senators told him to go Cheney himself.
* Glenn Greenwald has celebrated that event: “The letter was signed by all 50 Democrat-caucusing Senators — each and every last one of them — who stood behind Reid and, in effect, told David Broder that he and his previously revered High Broderism are completely out of touch and irrelevant.”
* Paul Begala called him a “gasbag” and even “the Hindenburg of Washington journalism.”
* Jamison Foser documented in detail the fact that Broder has been full of shit for decades, e.g., “while paying lip service to the ‘moral scale,’ Broder suggested to the reader that he is kept awake at night by the ‘loud’ and ‘vituperative’ statements of bloggers and Democratic congressmen — rather than by the thought that the Bush administration’s pro-torture stance not only results in inhumane treatment of those we torture, but increases the risk of our own troops facing similar treatment from foreign regimes.“
Just checking in for a minute before bed, but thank you for this post. I never thought anything by the self-styled “pundit” would make my day, but strange things are happening. (And Bill Moyers called Jon Stewart today’s Mark Twain. I love it!)
Suzanne @ 308
Roger!!! I concur, And Ron@307, that was the point I was making. They were relentless, didn’t they run out of ‘Gates? The sheer hypocrisy of the ‘Unitary Executive’ fallacy knows no bounds with this slimebags!
Eureka Springs @ 286
Awwwwww – you are too kind and oh so generous. The old gent who is sort of the unofficial but highly acknowledged “leader” of our local senior center (a nice walk away from the museum) has organized a little selection committee who are borrowing DVD’s from the local library. Last week they had a good turnout in our Ruth St. Denis gallery to watch The Lavender Hill Mob and one of the old dears brought a paper shopping bag filled with fresh popcorn and little paper bowls for everyone. Wish I had had the wit to have a camera on site….cause it was quite a delightful sight…and sound of laughter during the screening was quite contagious. Wish they could all be online but most are living on very modest fixed incomes and oh so proud just to be maintaining independence and dignity me thinks.
Ed*ard Teller @ 305
I got dinner bought for me a month after that one, although I thought the crowd was gonna tear me to shreds at the time. They were all convinced that I knew him, somehow, why didn’t I step forward and talk to him. All I was thinking was, “I think those womanizing rumors are true, after all. And I’d like to verify them myself!”
I am so terribly bad. Then again, I was single at the time. Why not?
Suzanne @ 189
We were ignorant about Iran.
Opportunity knocks, but doesn’t give many second chances.
Teddy, also Equal Pay For Equal Work was a phrase created in the 70’s and HRC was just here about that very same issue.
Wigwam @ 310
He’s been a gasbag forever. I can remember the first time I got an actual Washington Post in my hands, ca 1982, I opened it up, giddy with anticipation of reading real analysis of the news, and went right to its editorial page. Broder was one of the columnists that day. I don’t remember what his article was, but it was Reagan ass-kissing. The rest of the editorial section was equally as disgusting.
I was like, “They call this liberal? It’s just like the Tyler (TX) rag!” My disappointment in the ComPost was beyond devastating, after idolizing the Post for its Watergate coverage, after reading All the President’s Men at least once a year every year since I was 13 years old. THe Washington Post was legion in my mind, and I felt betrayed. I gave them another chance or two, but nothing changed. Little it’s done since then has alleviated that sense of betrayal. It’s still a crap newspaper, save for some bright spots here and there that manage to glisten like so many dew drops on a steaming pile of dung.
The late and sorely missed Dallas Times-Herald was far more liberal than the ComPost ever wanted to be, and the Ft Worth Startlegram–er, Star-Telegram, had better days more often.
In case you missed it, here is the letter that seven former intelligence officers sent to George Tenet on the occasion of the release of his book. The seven are: Phil Giraldi, Ray McGovern, Larry Johnson, Jim Marcinkowski, Vince Cannistraro, David MacMichael, and W. Patrick Lang (Colonel, retired, US Army and former Chief of Middle East Division, DIA).
I would sure like to see the modern version of the Church Committtee!
Wigwam @ 319
Bad linkie. You need to pull one of the http’s out of there.
Past time for this ole brat to call it a night – happy dreams you dear late nite pups – looks like another series of nightmares for the repubs this week and happy Snoopy dancin here at da lake day and night. :~)
Suzanne – you have email from Lucy. bhawhahahahah.
Here’s the correct link for the letter to Tenet.
Fixed linky
LJ/Aquaria @ 321
Oops! Thanks for the heads-up. It’s fixed now.
While W. Patrick Lang is definitely a militarist, he is also an incredibly informed and subtle analyst, and I strongly recommend his site:
Suzanne @ 317
Yes, and the ERA is back, ERA2.0!
Wigwam @ 325
My browser’s status bar said it had two http’s in it.
RonD, I also regularly check Larry Johnson’s No Quarter site.
TeddySanFran @ 327
As an Amendment???? Lets be careful!!
Suzanne! I didn’t know about that one! Thank you!
TeddySanFran @ 327
Ecology meets Global Warming
Geez. Here’s L C Johnson calling George Tenet
But I think this actually is smoke and mirrors, at least with respect to Abu Gonzo. I think Bush is right in his assessment that Gonzo did a fine job– i.e., of obstructing justice by appearing to be incompetent rather than blatantly uncooperative.
But Gonzo is not off the hook yet. He got that nice little follow-up letter demanding that he refresh his memory on the 74 “I don’t recall” statements, by May 4, and the committee hearing on his DOJ budget is coming up this week, too, which will be another opportunity to grill him.
I look forward to Tenet’s appearance before the Oversight committee on May 10.
Bob in HI
Off to sleep while coyotees howl in the yard.
G’nite firedogs
CTuttle @ 330
This little graph tells us how close we came to getting it passed. It was almost there.
Good nite, ES.
Niters ES. Great rant, earlier. Must have taken forever to come down from that one!
Aloha Bob@333, Isn’t Waxman serving us up some fine vittles this month? Everything on the menu looks exquisite!!! YUM-YUMMM!!!!!
g’nite, pups, great day and eve at the Lake today
see you tomorrow!
To bed for me as well. To Suzanne, LJ/A, Bob S., and all the rest of you, the best of all possible days tomorrow-it is truly a sublime pleasure to hang out with all of you. Good nite!
Niters RonD and Teddy. I’m heading out now, too. Think I’ll scribble in my Neverending Novel.
CTuttle @
338
Yes. Emptywheel was so kind as to publish the menu, so that we could start salivating in advance *g*. I think I feel a relapse of that sore throat I had last week coming on….
Bob in HI
BS@342, Why is it our delegation, which has so much seniorty, so obscure within the apparatchik? I’ve only seen Akaka chair anything on c-span, and I know Iouye has major catchet on the Armed Services com., so why do we have this major vacuum. Patsy, bless her soul, was a true champion!!!
1) this triumphalism is misguided. the cult of republicanism is a personality type that hasn’t gone anywhere. Sure gains have been made against them, but they are relentless in pursuing their ends. Only exceptional extremeism and overreach on their part has caused enough sleeping ‘Murkans to get interested enough to pushback. But the natural inclination of the majority is NOT to be engaged and they will loose interest as soon as the extremism becomes slightly less obvious. We are highly susceptable to relapse.
2) “We should thank the Republicans, though.” Fuck that. The price in human suffering caused by a lack of American voter interest resulting in a generation of destruction by the cult of republicanism is a massive human tragedy. If the cult of republicanism has been temporarily contained (a big IF), there should be no rejoicing for all that was lost in actual life and suffering, as well as the criminal tragedy of lost opportunity cost.
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LJ/Aquaria @ 341
Nite, Y’all!!!
Time for me to head out too. G’nite pups.
Maybe the Democrats should be encouraged to make that veto count by addressing the mercenary loopholes in current legislation on the next go-round.
Good morning, all. Coffee?
Good morning. Do I smell coffee?
egregious @
349
Why, yes. Rainforest blend. How do you take it?
With a pitcher of steaming hot skim milk, if you please.
Thank you, ixnay, very kind. What does it mean, rainforest blend?
(hands over one of the nice coffee mugs)
Milk’s on the table. Just warmed it up.
Egregious, I lose track – are you in the US or Russia right now? Also: our main charities are Direct Relief, Habitat, and Heifer International, but I would be proud to contribute to your effort. Is there an online presence? Link? TIA
Good morning, pups. Thanks for the coffee, ixnay. I’ve got tea for anyone who wants, and croissants. Today in the NYT Bob Herbert reflects on the deaths of two people he respected, and Paul Krugman writes about “Another Economic Disconnect.”
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
It’s gotten hot enough here that my lettuce has started to bolt. Now I’m pondering what I’m going to put into that bed. So far squash and peppers are in the lead… Have a good day.
pluege @ 344
The today’s Republican Party is based on the “cult of the Leader” which began with Reagan. Germans had experience witht the cult of the Leader in the 30’s & 40’s and it’s demise only occured with the complete destruction of their nation. The Republicans are weakened but to think they are on the verge of collapse is premature and dangerous. In one sense they are like a vampire that continually rises from the dead until a stake is driven through it’s heart. The stake that needs to be used against the Republicans is the deconstruction of the overriding ideology, government bad, private sector good. Those responsible for this abomination of a government must be held accountable this time. No slap on the wrist for their many wrong doings. Long prison sentences and even the possibililty of treason trials will go a long way in changing the public’s perception of this criminal enterprise called the Republican Party.
Anyone watching Stephanie Miller?
Ixnay, even here in the states I always feel like I am between trips, thinking about the next one.
You asked for links:
Russian Medical Fund [snail mail donations, not online]
Stories about my most recent trip with others available by searching the labels on the lower right hand side.
Thanks for your interest, just knowing that other people care about what I’m trying to accomplish is itself a great form of support.
Working for peace, one baby at a time.
Mornin’ all!
U.S. April death toll in Iraq passes 100
They yanked Stephanie and are showing a film about flamingos.
We really have to give thought to what to do about the rise of the megachurch in politics. IMO,this is a huge element that has to be dealt with or we will see another(very ominous) GOP rise to power at some point.
I’m not sure how this can be dealt with,but it must be. This particular”brand”of “religion” is devastating families and communities because it values neither. I am a victim of this,many,many other Americans are too. It’s devastating and abusive,and it’s going to take lots of work to expose and ruin these power structures. They are doing tremendous harm.
They are a small number of Americans,comparatively speaking,but they are ensconsed in government offices nationwide,from local to federal. Bush gave them public legitimacy and a direct line to the White House. A third of our DC reps and senators claim some affiliation with these religious charlatans. (and then there’s the whole Rev Moon thing,which is just uber creepy. Why have our elected officials gone to ceremonies in his honor? )
Sexual Threats Stifle Some Female Bloggers
Stephanie Miller is cracking me up. Not that it’s hard to at 4:30 in the freakin’ morning, but it’s actual laughter, not ironic “it’s either laugh or cry” laughter which is what usually happens when I watch tv news.
I turned in MSNC saw Steph’s face and then a pic of of Dan Abrams filled the screen for a few minutes and then they ran some canned bit about birds.
I missed what she or someone on the show said which made them pull the show… We’ll find out.
WOW censorship.. MSNBC is a bit touchy there ah?
Long Live Stephanie Miller!
Re Dana @ 138, my impressions from listening to a podcast of the 60 minute program are as follows:
Tenet repeated the mantra of ‘We don’t torture’ ad infinitum, interspersed with refusal to talk about specific techniques wrt waterboarding, semantic tapdance with ‘enhanced interrogation’ and invocation of 9/11 to justify all the incoherence to ‘protect the country’.
A few other bits that I recall:
One, that WMD mirage of 500 tons of chemical/biological agents stockpile was an ‘operational intuition’ which is ‘not always about the truth’ but evidence based on ‘assertions’ grounded on ‘technical data’ good enough in a civil but inadequate in a criminal case.
Two, the Decider in Chief does very little decidering because in the United States Government system, the POTUS is not the ‘action officer’.
Three, Tora Bora has a curious geography.
Last, the anonymous WH source for Woodward included the POTUS, the VP, Andrew Card and Condi Rice. I’m assuming that the five CIA officials are not WH officials.
Conclusion? A veritable slam dunk performance of ………. I’m lost for words.
The time of the posting is 9:30pm my time on 30 April.
What are you talking about? She hasn’t been pulled, I’m watching her now. Well, ok it’s a commercial break, but she is definitely still on.
NOW she’s back on.
She’s not on in NYC on Direct TV..
Now they have a Bill Cosby show… Flamingos are over.
ps – now we know (among other things) that the illegal occupation of a country and the unjustifiable destruction of its civic society is only a civil misdemeanour.
defJef @ 366
How odd. Then again, Direct TV is owned by Rupert Murdoch, so maybe he has something to do with it.
The Other@368
Did she say something “offensive” for TV? Or hit a raw nerve?
Def @369 -no, not that I saw. It’s basically her regular show, plenty liberal, funny, silly morning show.
Peterr @
49
Correct!
See also: Spanish American War (brought to you courtesy of William Randolph Hearst and Hearst newspaper empire. Infamous quote by WRH: “You furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war.”)
Good morning, dear Firepups! It’s an odd time for me to be up (am usually just heading for bed now, instead of just waking up). Hope you all have a wonderful morning — the beginning to a new week in the Further Episodes in the Great Bush Crime Family Take-Down.
Off to get some caffeine.
Good morning. The natives are getting restless, only 4 years too late.
LATimes:
Hi all,
I’m outside of Philly in a hotel that does not get CSpan or Comedy Central. Damn.
But they ARE showing Stephanie Miller on MSNBC which is a great thing as I can’t stream Air America through the hotel internet for some unknown reason.
I already e-mailed Abrams on the good choice.
Good Morning pups,
Stephanie is still on here as well @ 7 am cst
how y’all doin ?
CONTACT:
MSNBC
General Manager
Dan Abrams
201-583-5000
dan.abrams@msnbc.com
Wow, fantastic post, thanks.
Larry Johnson now on the call in to Stephanie. Good stuff. And she is far more attractive than I would have imagined.
Fresh thread, up and running for everyone.
RevDeb @ 373
Hi RevDeb,
What kind of right-wing hotel have you got yourself into? ; )
Loo Hoo @ 204
actually — i do. . .
it truly is a one guy operation
over there — and, erh — i’m it.
again, thank you so much for noticing. . .
HotFlash @ 379
Found the same problems in the hotel I was in last week in DC!!!! I think it’s a hotel thing. They assume that the people who stay in hotels would rather watch 4 channels of ESPN and Speed and FitTV!
Idiots.
CTuttle @ 232
probably epu’d here, but. . .
thanks for the tip re emptywheeel,
but honestly, i’ve been off-the-grid
since thursday night. . . so, i
didn’t , and hadn’t — but that must
mean we’re on to something — great
minds think alike and all. . . i’ll go
check hers out, now. . . thanks!
Amen to all that TRex. You’re on too late for me, early to bed early to rise and all that. I just wanted to say THANK YOU for youtubing Amy Winehouse. I wasn’t familiar with her, and she is Fabulous.