
(Libyan desert dune photo, via patrickw1. I know that the photo has nothing whatsoever to do with this post, but I loved the evocative mystery of the lone figure climbing the vast dune, and thought you guys might enjoy the beauty of this as well.)
Thought a news round-up would be useful for everyone today. It's been a busy weekend, and there are a number of things worth reading today:
– For starters, MSNBC is giving Stephanie Miller a few days on air in the Don Imus Memorial Replacement Slot — she'll be guesting Monday through Wednesday morning. As Taylor says, this is "[g]reat news, so mark your calendars and also tell MSNBC they did good."
– Cafe Politico has a dose of reality for the Bush Administration. Well worth a reminder that reality can be useful.
– Sucks for Bill Kristol when a military wife brings up reality as a call-in on Washington Journal in this C&L-hosted clip. Note how Kristol sticks to his own personal "I haven't been to Iraq, but I know how you should be feeling anyway." routine. And note how the caller is not buying it, thank you very much.
– Be prepared for serious disgust reading this from the WaPo:
As the winds and water of Hurricane Katrina were receding, presidential confidante Karen Hughes sent a cable from her State Department office to U.S. ambassadors worldwide.
Titled "Echo-Chamber Message" — a public relations term for talking points designed to be repeated again and again — the Sept. 7, 2005, directive was unmistakable: Assure the scores of countries that had pledged or donated aid at the height of the disaster that their largesse had provided Americans "practical help and moral support" and "highlight the concrete benefits hurricane victims are receiving."
Many of the U.S. diplomats who received the message, however, were beginning to witness a more embarrassing reality. They knew the U.S. government was turning down many allies' offers of manpower, supplies and expertise worth untold millions of dollars. Eventually the United States also would fail to collect most of the unprecedented outpouring of international cash assistance for Katrina's victims….
More than 10,000 pages of cables, telegraphs and e-mails from U.S. diplomats around the globe — released piecemeal since last fall under the Freedom of Information Act — provide a fuller account of problems that, at times, mystified generous allies and left U.S. representatives at a loss for an explanation. The documents were obtained by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a public interest group, which provided them to The Washington Post.
In one exchange, State Department officials anguished over whether to tell Italy that its shipments of medicine, gauze and other medical supplies spoiled in the elements for weeks after Katrina's landfall on Aug. 29, 2005, and were destroyed. "Tell them we blew it," one disgusted official wrote. But she hedged: "The flip side is just to dispose of it and not come clean. I could be persuaded."
Huge H/T to CREW for getting this information and releasing it publicly. The Bush State Department and Department of Homeland Security: profiles in craptastic ineptitude or deliberate idiocy? You choose. CREW has even more here.
– I'm with Digby and Amato on this one: Rush Limbaugh, jumped so many sharks, it's shocking the man still has a contract, but the latest asinine attack on Barack Obama in some sort of Jim Crow-inspired minstrel show "song" is truly scraping the bottom of the gutter.
– Digby also links up a great post from Rick Perlstein on the GOP history in working against the voting rights act. As readers will no doubt recall, a coalition of Southern GOP representatives most recently tried to hold up the Voting Rights Act renewal last year while they still had control of Congress. Classy.
– Anonymous Liberal updates his post from yesterday on the Goodling "delete" e-mail:
This post is getting a lot of traffic, so let me take a moment to clarify a few things, because I don't want people reading more into this post than the facts warrant. First, from the context of the email, it seems likely that Goodling's primary purpose in asking people to "delete prior versions" of the documents was to make sure everyone was on the same page and not working off of outdated materials. In other words, I don't think she was motivated by a desire to destroy documents that Congress might want for their investigation. That said, as an attorney, she should have known better than to make such a request. If there is any kind of litigation or investigation underway or even contemplated, you don't instruct people to delete documents. It doesn't matter if that's your normal practice and you're just trying to keep people from getting confused; it just looks bad, and it can get you and your organization in a lot of trouble. Goodling is not some low-level administrator. She was a senior legal counsel at the Justice Department.
That Goodling would make such a request despite the budding Congressional inquiry into the matter is, at best, indicative of carelessness and sloppy practices.
It is sloppy legal practice — but more than that, it is something that now needs to be investigated fully. Because, quite honestly, where I would normally give someone the benefit of the doubt that their intention was simply to get everyone "on the same page" as AL suggests, this crew has been so dishonest in their public information manipulation that I am not willing to give an inch until I see each and every subsequent, built-upon draft of public talking points or other paper trail materials that may or may not have been deleted for a perfectly legitimate purpose — or not. They can reap what they have so dishonestly sown — for they have failed to be forthright, open or completely honest about much of anything, and the acceptance of responsibility standard by which you generally judge someone coming fully clean is altogether nonexistent. More sunshine — show us what you were deleting, each and every page, and then we'll talk about benefit of the doubt.
– The US is currently holding 82 people at Guantanimo who have been cleared because we cannot figure out where we can safely send them now that we picked them up incorrectly and whisked them away to Gitmo for years. No further comment required.
– Larry Johnson and several other ex-CIA folks have a few thoughts for George Tenet. Tenet will be interviewed this evening on 60 Minutes, for those who are interested. Larry was interviewed about the book on Keith Olbermann, and has the video up for viewing.
– Well, those no-bid crony contracts have worked out rather well, haven't they?
In a troubling sign for the American-financed rebuilding program in Iraq, inspectors for a federal oversight agency have found that in a sampling of eight projects that the United States had declared successes, seven were no longer operating as designed because of plumbing and electrical failures, lack of proper maintenance, apparent looting and expensive equipment that lay idle.
The United States has previously admitted, sometimes under pressure from federal inspectors, that some of its reconstruction projects have been abandoned, delayed or poorly constructed. But this is the first time inspectors have found that projects officially declared a success — in some cases, as little as six months before the latest inspections — were no longer working properly.
Not so much. Even more sunshine needed here, please.
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zed?
Anyone know of MSM criticism of the Dunce of the Washington press corps, David Broder?
BEKKA!
Also good to read that;
Al Gore says (Canadian) Tories’ green plan a ‘fraud’
theglobeandmail
Arrakis! Dune! Desert planet!
Arrakis! Dune! Desert planet!
Christy said….”the Don Imus Memorial Replacement Slot:
bwahhhhbwahhhhh
82 Inmates Cleared but Still Held at Guantanamo Guess why.
Have not been awake long enough to do too much reading this morning but when I looked through last night, the one that caught my attention was this:
Karen Hughes. This is an entity I cannot deal with.
Murtha up on Face the Nation (CBS)…
Bluetoe @ 2
Paul Begala has some stuff on Huff Post but that’s all I’ve seen..
Good morning pups.
If you want to understand the mentality of the 22 percenters, please go read this.
These people are batshit insane, and it’s people like this who make me believe the US would have been better off if the Confederacy had been allowed to secede in 1860. The repukes could not have had a “southern Strategy,” and while many of the best things about American culture have come from the south (food, music), that would have come anyway.
These people are scarier to me than ANYONE in Al Qaeda. People like this are the ones who tried to set off a bomb outside an abortion clinic in Austin, Texas.
I’m a bit of a SAD person, so all the sunshine is really making me feel GREAT these days.
I also pile on the love for FDL every chance I get. FDL really rocks.
I gave out the FDL handle a bunch over the weekend. Trying to spread the education we are getting here.
And, just to help with the good news, the NM Democratic Party has been taken over by the voters. We cleaned house this weekend, and the energy is really popping!
It is a new day. Did I mention how much I love sunshine?
This was EPU’d
On the ABC Gasbags with George Show, they discussed the Dem debate, and they all took Obama to task for his answer to the question (paraphrasing, here):”what would you do if terrorists attacked a city?”
His answer was (more or less) make sure the first responders had all they needed. His answer was about recovery. Everybody elses’s answer was a variation of “I shall smear myself with testosterone and find someone to bomb.”
Wee Georgie and his panel thought Barack’s answer was terrible. I thought it was actually the best one. It made me respect him a teensy bit more.
Am I the only one who feels this way?
I didn’t see the debate in it’s entirety, so maybe contextually that was a crummy answer, but based on what ABC showed it actually seemed very reasonable.
Murtha on Face the Nation says rumors at the pentagon say tours may be extended again to 18 months…
morning, all… coffee’s ready…
Major problems found in Iraqi rebuilding effort
bg @ 12
May there be much sunshine in your future.
It couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch. From the LATimes:
GOP has uphill climb for cash and candidates
The party feels the drag of investigations and minority status in Congress.
And then there’s Bush.
David Broder, call your office.
Good morning, CHS.
Unfortunately, this was the first thing that caught my eye this a.m., via Juan Cole’s Informed Comment- the images of Iraq we don’t get on the evening news:
“Guerrillas blew up a market near the shrine of Abu al-Fadl Abbas in the holy city of Karbala on Saturday, killing a reported 80 persons and wounding 170. [Figures from Aljazeera early Sunday morning.] The sacred character of Karbala makes this sort of attack especially likely to provoke Shiite-Sunni tensions and violence. Wire services report:
‘ Television images showed a man running down a smoke-filled street holding a lifeless baby above his head. Smoke was rising off the baby. Ambulances had rushed to the blast scene in Kerbala, 100 km southwest of Baghdad. ‘
It’s nice and sunny here in FL. Temps in the 70s. It’s nice.
Local news recently had a story about a weeping Virgin Mary statue in Orlando. The archdiocese is officially skeptical.
Guitar at 12 — As someone who lives below the Mason Dixon line, and has all her life, I find that an offensive sentiment. Especially given that I’ve seen just as much idiotic sentiment expressed when I was at school in both Massachusetts and in Pennsylvania. Idiots live everywhere — target their moronic thoughts and not a region of the country. Because there are a LOT of progressives living in the South and working hard to change the politicial landscape there, and you insult them by making an inaccurate broad generalization like that which is not supported by facts. And I’ll be damned if I am in the mood this morning to get into another asinine “Southerners versus the world” bullshit arguments when your problem is with extremists who span the geography of this country. (Especially given that one of the most notorious abortion doctor murders happened in NY.) Vent your spleen at an apporpriate target — not an entire region. Neither the moderators nor I have time for a regional flame war this morning, thank you very much.
cleter @ 14
Agree completly….
Obama is not my first choice but I do want a President to FIRST…. take care of the American People…… Secure the area….. analyze the Intel and THEN make wise decisions.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 22
Agreed. I’ve lived in a lot of places, and the jackass/non-jackass ratio is not greater in the South than elsewhere.
cleter @ 24
Me three on all of the above.
We could use a bit of this action in DC to remind Messiah Bush that we too are a secular nation.
Massive pro-secular demo in Turkey
More than one million secular Turks have protested in Istanbul against the government amid a tense stand-off between the Islamic-led government and the army over presidential elections.
“Turkey is secular and will remain secular,” protesters shouted, demanding the resignation of the government headed by Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Turkey’s prime minister.
I’m listening to Biden blather on about whether “the war is lost” or not. Why the *$&! doesn’t he insist that people take the ENTIRE Harry Reid statement instead of parsing it into a sound byte that conveys a completely different intent?
Harry Reid did NOT say the war is lost. He said that if we continue to follow Bush’s strategy, the war is lost. It is a call to change tactics, not a statement of surrender.
Every Democrat should make this very clear whenever the topic arises.
For some of the gang from the last thread, if you’re still about -
Pfiff -
Just back from picking the last of the cooked crabs out of the frig. I soooooo envy *you* the wonderful street markets of Europe…….flowers and food……it gets no better!
Urban Pirate -
Also having much success w/lettuce, spinach, baby bok choy, & chinese cabbage in pots on the deck – given the fact that the deer are chewing roses & other yard plants down to the roots – the suckers ain’t gonna get me food greenery as well *g*.
Kevster -
What part of the state you hail from?
CHS -
Count my donations to CREW as major investments in the return of democracy to our country; way past time to send them some more green love…….thanks for the reminder.
Compare Hillary and Obama to Gore.
Christy,
in re: Monica Goodling directing folks to delete old versions of docs.
I have often been responsible for tracking versions and making sure that the most current revision of something is followed. But even when I have not, I have ALWAYS made sure to save all the old versions. The easiest way is to use both a revision number and datesuch that the doc name becomes DocumentTitle1_mm_dd_yy.doc
Of course, I’m not in Gonzo’s DoJ trying to cover my okole.
Yikes! Murtha used the “I” word on Face the Nation
Murtha said impeachment is one of four ways to influence a president, the other three being public opinion, voting, and the power of the purse.
He stayed with this wording despite being pushed by the interviewer for something more sound bite-like.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 30
Actually, Obama reminds me a bit of 1988 primary Gore. I have that same “nice kid, maybe later” kind of feeling.
landofthefree @ 27
I agree that Harry’s statement must include the “if we continue to follow Bush’s strategy”… I’ve spent the entire week hollering at the tv, “THAT’S NOT WHAT HE SAID” when that surrender business started.
Youth in Moscow donate blood “for victims of American policies”
MOSCOW. April 28 (Interfax) – About 1,000 activists of Russian youth organizations have donated blood in an action being held in front of the U.S. embassy in Moscow on Saturday.
“This blood will be used to form a donor bank for the victims of American aggression,” Anastasiya Suslova, the press secretary of the Nashi movement, told Interfax. The purpose of the action “is to draw the attention of the U.S. State Department and the U.S embassy to consequences of their orders,” she said. The blood donated by young Russians is also intended for those” who will yet suffer from the American struggle for lofty ideals,” she added. The action, in the estimate of law enforcement agencies, involves over 1,000 activists of the Nashi, Young Russia and Mestnye (Locals)youth movements. The U.S. embassy is being guarded by reinforced police squads and riot police. The demonstrators’ conduct is absolutely proper, police said.
I, inadvertently, got into a political discussion with one of the 28% last week. This is pretty much a verbatim transcript:
28%er:yes, i support Bush. Do you know how many criminals he executed in Texas.
Me: you support him for that?
28%er: Absolutely
Me: You do know that a lot of those are being challenged and overturned.
28%er: Oh, that’s just because they’re minorities.
I walked away.
The moral of the story is that there are people out there that we will NEVER understand. How they got this way is anybody’s guess. They are full of hate, want to nuke the world and love the macho bullshit that Bush represents. And they will never come to the light.
It’s Howdy Doody time on CNN. After Condi, apparently.
solai @ 35
Some of them are raised to hate.
So OT, but I know someone here knows the answer…
I planted some Monselia Tulips this year for the first time in my Detroit-area garden. To my delight, they started coming up as my Rhododenderon started to bloom in the past week and a half. The light purple flowers on the bush are out, and the tulip bulbs were just getting ready to open, and then i went out one morning to find many of the tulips heads have been snapped off. I figure it’s either squirrels (who I often find near the tulips) or bunnies (I hear they love to eat tulips). I’ve never had a problem with the other tulips I had planted there before. Out of 12 tulips, three have not been destroyed. Any suggestion of what to do to deter the tulip eaters? I could put some chicken wire up, I suppose… but that kinda defeats the purpose of planting the purty flowers.
Suggestions are most welcome!
bg @ 13
bg—
I hope you’ll tell us more about what happened with the NM Democratic Party. Maybe you’ll inspire a lot of other people to take action within their own state parties.
Waccamaw @28
I live in Chapel Hill but am originally from Seattle.
Go Heels!
I resent very much when folks point the finger at certain regions, or states, and stereotype those areas.
Yeah, OldCoastie – me, too. Isn’t it the job of someone like Howard Dean, or even Rahm Emmanuel (ick) to remind the Democrats how to respond to baseless attacks? Why in the heck are Democrats ignoring the perversion of the truth? It seems to me that the Republicans are much better at controlling language and spin than we are. We need to get better. I’m not sure who it is supposed to come from, but someone should have dictated to all the Democratic Presidential candidates and Democrats in the spotlight that they should respond to this attack by insisting that Reid’s comments be examined accurately.
I do particularly enjoy a couple headlines over on Raw Story. The first being, “Protestors Demand Impeachment As Bush Speaks” and the other, “Protestors Invade Gonzalez’ Harvard Reunion photo shoot”
apparently, Gonzo looked irked.
Condi was on ABC giving us her rewrite on what happened leading up to the decision to invade Iraq. Biden was on NBC giving us his rewrite of the decision to remove Saddam. Why don’t these people admit that the war was based on a pack of lies. I guess they might not be able to sleep soundly at night knowing that more than over a half a million people have died as a result of this immoral and illegal war.
landofthefree @ 39
Try planting native species (species native to a region prior to European settlement). Less likely to be foraged by wildlife and protects a bit of the natural heritage of a region. Why depend on exotic species that require so much more work, chemicals etc.?
landofthefree @ 43
Because they hire consultants? Because they have not shown an ability to respond to Repug dirty tricks at any point in the last 10 years?
Just read a clip from Blitzer over at Atrios, where Blitzer is talking to Murtha about the upcoming veto, and plays a clip of the petulant man-child in the White House talking about Congress “testing my will.”
My first thought was, who the hell let him watch The Usual Suspects? They had to KNOW he’d think he was Kaiser Sose.
28 %s How did they get that way? The answer from the stage version of South Pacific.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y…..lly_Taught
Here is Broder’s latest defense of neocons. Here is Begala’s surprising strong attack.
I think Begala is working with James Carville for Hillary. But Carvilles’ wife is Mary Matalin. Matalin has been working for Dark Lord Cheney and helped reveal Valerie Plame-which is illegal. I have not found the quote about “I like Karl” but if he likes Karl he probably loves Jeff (gannon). Oh the scandals…too much material for Stepahnie Miller and John Stewart next week…But how can we tell the children?
Ed Deevy @ 45
Wouldn’t be able to sleep soundly at night with the large pile of subpoenas.
Texas Betsy @ 38
Sad but true. Just keep in mind that Adolf Hitler had support of roughly 30-36% of the German population when he assumed dictatorial powers. No matter how misguided, immoral, corrupt, warlike an administration there will always be those hardcore supporters that will be with their Leader to the bitter end.
OldCoastie @ 44
Gonzalez is one hell of an argument against affirmative action.
talk about BS – Biden just said on MTP something about “… the inspectors, after Saddam kicked them out…”
Saddam didn’t kick out the inspectors… we removed them.
The news is slowly becoming overwhelming. There’s just too much poo hitting the fan. I’m having a hard time keeping up. There is such a deluge of info since oversight has thankfully come to Washington.
Do you think the MSM can keep up? (They should be as happy as clams!)
Well, thank goodness for the blogs.
A few points lets deal with your internal political one first:
At the time of Katrina I like many people gave money for relief. That money is still sitting in non-interest bearing federal accounts. A fact that I can assure you has been reported repeatedly here in Europe. And was very well known indeed amongst both parties in Washington.
It might be terrorist money you see.
My reaction is the same as everyone I know. I don’t care how big the disaster is under no circumstances whatsoever will I ever donate money for any disaster relief in the U.S. again irrespective of who is in power.
Christy is well aware of what I do for a living both in my civilian and non-civilian capacities. So she’ll understand my feelings on this:
At the time of Katrina rescue teams flew in from Europe. Highly experienced very very expert people flown in on their respective governments’ expense.
To be kept sitting on the tarmac in some cases for days or in the airport/airbase detention facilities. No I’m not joking. Most of those are volunteers and cannot under any circumstances whatsoever be compelled to go to a foreign country. This applies equally to the professionals they cannot under any circumstances whatsoever be required to go to a foreign country.
How do you think they’re going to react to the next time they’re asked to go to the states?
Same reaction as mine – “gee they should have thought of that the last time.” I know for a fact that most European governrments contacted people on both sides in Washington and gave up in disgust.
Same goes for the food packs sent. A lot of which wound up on E-bay.
There’s a lot of active ill will about this and it’ll last for years.
On to Irak in newxt comment:
allan_in_upstate @ 53
That is offensive.
Crikey…when did Chris Matthews invite Jim Kramer to comment on his show (The Chris Matthews Show, not Hardball)??
Weird, it’s a sign of tectonic plates heaving. Kramer is a progressive, albeit not an obvious one. And he doesn’t buy Tenet’s blamecasting.
allan_in_upstate @ 53
Yeah. That was one of the downers in the debate the other night when Richardson admitted that he’d held off on calling for Gonzo to resign because he was a fellow Hispanic. The honesty was good but the application of it was not.
cleter @
14
I believe the actual debate question was “what would you do if terrorists attacked two American cities”?
I liked Obama’s answer there – hated when he went off on a horrible answer as to Iran, and the (incorrect) state of their nuclear capabilities and the extent (me – if any) of the danger presented there.
CocoaBeach @ 31
Indeed he did and did you notice Bob Scheiffer’s response? He was incredulous at the thought of impeachment. Obviously he hasn’t been following the bouncing ball. And we wonder why the MSM has been such an abysmal failure.
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 12
The first link of GPB’s is to the Charlie Daniels website.
Bartcop’s been following Charlie Daniels’ career online for ages now. Check this out:
Charlie Daniels used to sing all sorts of songs like that, in concert, up until a few years ago. He thought that no one would call him on it. But Bartcop has a long memory and is not afraid to use it.
And for those of you with the tolerance to watch the Talking Heads (especially Press the Meat), bless you and your strong stomachs for gibberish.
For myself, it’s watching a replay of the Costner Robin Hood on the HBO channels.
Bluetoe @
2
one a’ tha “behind the wall” gang at NYT ripped him a new one. Frank Rich? not sure which one …..
Bluetoe @ 61
Has Scheiffer ever read the constitution? Have any of the MSM?
My fantasy is that they subpoena Condi and all her buddies, but they cannot come because they are being detained at Guantanamo… or are awaiting trial at The Hague… :)
… and when they request help, we could turn ‘em down like they themselves turned down the rest of the world’s offers of post-Katrina help to the USA!
OT: Where are other FirePups? – check out this earlier post to see (and join?) an unofficial map. At this writing, there’s 449 pins! :)
Texas Betsy @ 57
I’m sorry if it offended you.
I am actually a strong supporter of affirmative action.
Biut when you see some of those who obviously benefited from it -
Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice, Thomas Sowell and, yes, Alberto Gonzalez -
align themselves with the powers that be,turn their backs
on people from similar backgrounds, and pretend that
they didn’t benefit from affirmative action, then I’m more than happy to call them on it.
Peace.
dakine01 – wow. Now that’s saying a lot. You’d choose one of the most awful Robin Hoods ever portrayed?
Phew.
Mark at 56 — Good to see you, gramps. :)
WaPo has a profile on the DC Madam. Interesting biofact, she was a law student at one time, did not matriculate, but completed a course in paralegal. I guess we can assume she did not study law at Regent U.
The article claims she only earned about $160,000 a year running a high-end escort service (at least that is what she reports to the IRS), and that is not too far off from what Monica Goodling made, though I am not suggesting any kind of parallel, mind you.
RE: The DC Madam
dakine01 @ 30
Very good point! What she did — when she knew full well that these docs were going to be requested soon — is NOT accepted or even acceptable practice. It’s very, very dodgy at best, and outright obstruction at worst (especially since in this case, the oldest versions of the docs are the pre-CYA ones).
Texas Betsy @ 64
They subscribe to Leader’s interpretation of the Constitution “it’s just a g..dam piece of paper”
egr–Our takeover story is inspirational. A small group of us has been working for a couple of years, doing some outreach and trying to encourage others to join with us.
This year, we had a great young (36) candidate for state party chair step forward who was organized to win. We also have been educating people about ward and precinct meetings, and we managed to elect a lot of people to the county meeting, then to the State Central Committee.
The old guard of crony and corrupt Democrats have been driven out, essentially.
Of course, there is still a lot of work to be done. But participation in the party is at an all time high.
People are energized by many events–the Richardson campaign, the anti-war and impeachment actions, and grassroots activism at the county level.
One of the reasons I am so excited about FDL today is that I have learned from reading here about how effective Howie Klein and Blue Americans are in directing the power away from the beltway and back to the local level.
We have a great potential US Senate candidate who has already been told by the DSCC not to bother (against doddering Pete). I really tried to encourage otherwise. I cited FDL and Howie, etc.
What is so exciting to me is that I think we CAN go against what “the beltway” is doing. I think it is OUR time. WE are going to do it.
I really hope others will do this in their states. It is a great time for people to re-direct the Democratic party.
I noticed lhp’s post the other day about how to get the impeachment meme going. I actually believe it can happen. But it will take work on our part, for months to build the platform on which the Congress can act.
The 2004 election was the blackest most SAD time for me. At this time, there is so much sunshine, I am really more optimistic than I have been in a very long time.
WE are the power.
fahrender @ 64
You can find the quote from Rich’s piece on Atrios from late last night.
Awesome about Stephanie Miller being on MSNBC. I hope it sticks (more than three days)
landofthefree @
39
As horribly OT as this is, I wouldn’t mind an answer either. Some little bugger got three of mine. Out of four. I’m in Iowa.
allan_in_upstate @ 67
But that is not an argument against it. What about all those who benefited from it and are now living better and non-repug lives? Don’t bash the practice because you don’t like a few of the beneficiaries.
WOW bg—
That is truly inspiring. Thanks for showing us what can be done at the local and state party level. We’ve got work to do, people.
Rayne @ 68
I guess I’m a bit of a Robin Hood fanatic. Watched the Errol Flynn version on TCM last night, then the Richard Greene following as well. Don’t know why but the period pieces like this have always been a fave. Except when they do something like the Heath Ledger set in King Artur’s time with a RnR soundtrack. THAT I cannot abide.
Squirrels and chipmunks love tulips. When we lived in a rented house out in the country several years ago, I had to put chickenwire around each bulb when I planted it to keep them from digging up the bulbs for a snack. No idea if they eat the shoots and flowers, though. I agree that finding native species might be more beneficial — they have a better chance of survival if they have proved themselves out over time. You might check with your local county extension agent and see what they recommend for your area. HTH!
“The US is currently holding 82 people at Guantanimo who have been cleared because we cannot figure out where we can safely send them now that we picked them up incorrectly and whisked them away to Gitmo for years. No further comment required.”
Remember this recent Boston Globe story?
“In Afghanistan, being picked up often had more to do with your relationships with rival factions . . . than any real link to Al Qaeda.”
http://www.boston.com/news/wor…..lord_rose_
MarkfromIreland @ 56: Sickening, isn’t it? And of course the news media in the US isn’t exactly shouting this story from the rooftops — you won’t hear it on the evening TV news or drive-time radio, which is where most Americans still get their news.
Phoenix Woman @ 62 says:
I met Charlie a couple of times back in the early ’70s before he got the excessive religion and flag-waving. He actually used to be a human and treat others as such. A damn shame he swallowed so much kool-aid.
Christy —
As a former corporate drone employed in a Legal Department, the first thing I thought when I saw that email from Goodling was that deleting previous versions was not a standard practice within the DOJ or the White House — and that she actually was trying to cover her tracks.
After reading the bulk of the first 3000 pages/emails dumped by the DOJ, I saw many different versions of an original document and absolutely no sign of any effort to do version control. Why the sudden concern for it now, after nearly a year of documentation shows it wasn’t concern? There was a clear pattern of disregard for control in the documents released to date; this sticks out because it breaks the pattern.
She’s in trouble, and she knows it; there’s more in the works that’s worse.
Christy Hardin Smith @
22
As a native Okie who spent 12 years in Chicago, I will second this. I actually saw more active, organized racism and hate in Chicago than I did during my 35 years in Oklahoma. This is not an effort at comparing the virtue of different regions, just to point out that there are more than enough idiots to go around wherever you are.
Ed Deevy @ 45
The writer Mary McCarthy once said of Lillian Hellman (what a catfight that was!) that everything Hellman ever wrote was a lie, including “and” and “the.”
The same could be said for Condi re: what she says about Iraq.
Kramer:
Dow will go up 1500 points by the end of the year.
We could be in a recession.
Our economy is decelerating at a rapid rate. The Dow is due to overseas economies.
Texas Betsy @
65
One of the BEST scenes in the debate the other night was when Kucinich pulled out his copy of the constitution and said he was running to restore it. The others looked a bit abashed.
Texas Betsy @ 77
The GOP attitude towards affirmative action is indicative of their attitude towards government in general: They don’t take it seriously, and see it mainly as a tool to be exploited for their own benefit, not as a way to help others.
How regrettable that the rest of the non-American world, unmindful of the NeoConservative agenda to turn the Gulf of Mexico into a working model of Grover Norquist’s bathtub, should see their genuine offers of help rebuffed, rendered inoperative through ignorance, or left to spoil.
…and Chris Muir is a bigot.
Boston1775 @ 86
Spouse’s firm is getting a lot of RFQ’s for capital equipment from overseas. Good for his business this year, but bad over the long run because the capital equipment being purchased with cheaper U.S. dollars is for manufacturing by foreign-owned firms overseas.
[sigh] And you know damned well the top 5-15% of the country own a chunk of those firms. Matters not that the middle and lower class in this country will be without the manufacturing jobs from the equipment.
JEP @ 81
here’s the working link, http://www.boston.com/news/wor…..languished
wonder what some of these “detainees” think about their “detainers”
Phoenix Woman @ 71
In my office I have become the unofficial record-keeper. When policy changes, I print out the old policy for filing plus save it to a disc plus store it on my computer for quick reference.
The only thing that ever gets deleted are the jokes that get circulated.
Phoenix Woman @ 89
I guess I need to point out that my original comment was snark.
Maybe I also need to change my name to snark_in_upstate,
since my feeble attempts at humor are not always detectable as such.
Condi’s position is laughable. It is:”I have answered all the questions to my satisfaction”
Okay, Condi just told Wolf she’ll include some information about what went on in the run up to war in her book. This has all become disgusting. Had to wait for O’Neill’s book to find the Bushies were obsessed with Iraq from day one. Had to wait for Woodward’s book for first hand reportage of the ineptitude of those in office. Had to wait for Tenet’s book, years after the fact and most critically, after the 2004 election, to have the “slam dunk” case against Iraq publicly challenged. Why oh why do we have to wait until government officials and our illustrious press have an opportunity to line their pockets before we get the truth? They all, members of the press, cabinet members, political appointees and the elected and semi-elected officials, belong in jail for, at very minimum, dereliction of duty.
Another Oklahoman @ 85. Good deal!
solai @ 93
That’s as it should be. It just makes sense to know what was required when. Especially when dealing with legal and/or contractual and/or corporate policy type issues.
allan-i’m in elmira ny-you any where around here?
its mostly neocon around here- very knee jerk republican
Captain @ 96
NEW RULE for Maher: Public officials CANNOT hide information pertinent to the ongoing world for their after office books.
bg @ 73:”I noticed lhp’s post the other day about how to get the impeachment meme going. I actually believe it can happen. But it will take work on our part, for months to build the platform on which the Congress can act.”
CocoaBeach @31: “Yikes! Murtha used the “I” word on Face the Nation”
Apologies for the re-post from yesterday, but I think it’s relevant;
I spent a couple of hours this afternoon participating in the A28 action.
http://network.a28.org/
With about 30 other people I stood at two of the busiest intersections in downtown Denver,holding signs, and got honked at. Repeatedly. By people of all ethnicities and economic classes. If anyone tells me there is no appetite in this country for impeachment, I call bullshit. The response was overwhelmingly positive.
Interestingly, the two locations were picked in part for their proximity to local tv stations and newspapers. No representatives of the media were there.
Go figure.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 97
Actually my son and his family still live there. I have lived in western Montana for the last 9 years.
Bluetoe @
61
Murtha has mentioned it. Hagel has mentioned it. Kucinich has mentioned it. Next?
Allen upstate -
I got your snark. I’m sure most people did. :)
allan_in_upstate @ 94I guess I need to point out that my original comment was snark.
Maybe I also need to change my name to snark_in_upstate,
since my feeble attempts at humor are not always detectable as such.
I wasn’t zinging you, Allan. I was just noticing that the Republicans don’t see affirmative action (or the role of the Federal Government) the same way that we do. We see it as a way to help others; they see it as a system to be gamed to help themselves and their buddies at our expense.
Rice, Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Karen Hughes, Libby, Powell, Laura, Babs, the twins, Neil Bush, Poppy, and others. What a sordid bunch.
OT — WTF? For what was he being recognized by such a gift??
Oklahoma kiddo @ 42
Agreed. I live in Utah and can’t stand it when people assume that ALL Utahns are mormons in the Orrin Hatch mold. Generalizing about individuals based on where they live, or what religion they practice, is always a bad thing.
fahrender @ 103
Personally, I’m waiting to hear from Pelosi ands Reid on the subject.
S.O.S. from MA @
66
i added mine today. the first in Germany. There’s one in Italy ……
Christy Hardin Smith @ 80
Thank you. I caught squirrels digging up the bulbs & chewing on them in the fall, so I put chicken wire over the planting area. It hadn’t occurred to me that they’d eat the blooms, as I never had that problem with the tulips that the previous homeowner planted in the exact same spot.
As to the reply about “why not plant native flowers” and “why use chemicals” – I don’t use chemicals. I also don’t see why it would be controversial to plant tulips. This is my first time doing any gardening, so I bought the bulbs from a highschool fundraising program. I have little time to maintain a garden. A dozen tulips are an excellent answer for a brown-thumb gardener like me.
Condi has time to plug her book on ABC (and write it!) but not time to answer a subpoena.
I think the denial of Katrina help is part incompetence and part, terror security/Bush xenophobia gone mad, which I guess is incompetence too.
The Administration is imploding. It would be cause to celibrate, but it’s our country!
Texas Betsy @ 57
Texas Betsy, that is the point. When BushCo uses minorities to promote some of the ugliest work they get a toofer. The evil is done, and the stink stays with the doer. Unqualified hacks like Gonzales, Meirs, Yoo — these people are magnets for bigotry that will be used to fuel attacks on affirmative action programs. “They let in (fill in the blank) and look what happens.”
Don’t imagine that Mr. Rove isn’t aware of the dividends.
Blitzer picking up on the ‘Murtha said impeachment’ story…
allan_in_upstate @
67
all chosen by Rethugs for elevation. How many others who’ve been helped are not so high profile because they aren’t such anomalies?
Me too-manufacturing specs. We are contractually obliged to supply something, as specified by the customer. Sometimes the specs change, so I issue a revision to the shop, and keep the original. Sounds like it’s SOP in most industries unless you went to Holy Crap university.
Stephanie Miller is just guesting; she’s not to be a regular – correct?
Rayne @ 91
We need businessmen to understand our country’s need for patriots. We need to discuss how businesses can be run successfully to benefit the businesses themselves, American workers and the country.
landofthefree at 111 — It also occurs to me that deer could be eating the flowers. If you live out a ways and have seen deer in the neighborhood, that is definitely a possibility. Like I said, talking with your county extension agent can be really helpful — they generally have a handle on area culprits for this sort of thing because they collect data and information on this. Would be helpful to talk to them about possibilities in your area — and landscaping ideas that are lovely yet don’t appeal to the varmints that like to eat your tulips. *g*
shooogarp @ 108
Too true. I think that as progressives, we need to be careful not to stereotype people based on their religions as well. One of my graduate students is a Mormon and is quite progressive politically. Likewise, I grew up around fundamentalists and not all of them are mouth breathing troglodytes like Falwell and Robertson, though it is getting more difficult to find the other kind.
Wordsmith @ 117
Yeah, they’ll probably have rotating guest hosts – sort of like try-outs. Wish they’d give Sam Seder a chance too.
Does the administration failure re: Katrina rise to the level of criminal negligence in light of the latest report? Irregardless of the question of intent, and I think all they saw were democrats in New Orleans and dragged their feet for that reason, but putting that aside isn’t a failure to act just as criminal?
Could be why holy Jomentum is on that committee.
A couple of links I wanted to pass along:
First, a damning indictment of the “general officer corps” of our Armed Forces, by an active duty Army Lt. Colonel (Paul Yingling) who has served in Iraq. It’s quite an essay, and I think offers very constructive criticism (in asking Congress to act) along with its insights and perspective from someone charged with executing our nebulous “mission” in Iraq:
Http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2007/05/2635198
Second, another take on the bee problem, this one from Ontario. This article in the Toronto Star has some good information in it about the possible cause of the bee problem in the Niagara region, and I wanted to highlight this hopeful sign:
http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/203818
DrDick @
109
You won’t hear it from Pelosi. I am sure because it is because she thinks of it as a conflict of interest. If they do infact hold impeachment hearings on the Decider .. do you really think people will let them get away with not impeaching Shooter at the same time? And of course Pelosi is in line after Shooter .. according to the Constitution.
Wordsmith at 117 — Yes — they haven’t announced who will get the regular slot. But I’d like to see Stephanie get some decent numbers, given the fact that they aren’t exactly looking at a lot of liberal hosts for that spot at the moment. FWIW, I’d love to see them give Taylor Marsh a try — she’d be awesome. She’s wonderful on camera and has a lot of radio experience — and she’s not afraid to ask tough questions, which would be awfully nice for a change.
DrDick @ 102
Anywhere near Rolling Dog Ranch? If you’ve never heard of it, google.
ruffian @ 99
The northern tip of NY-29, in the suburbs of Rochester.
Randy Kuhl is our congressman, unfortunately.
Good covergae of central and western New York politics can be found at Rochester Turning. (No affiliation, so I’m not blogwhoring!)
DrDick @ 120
I don’t see how people can stereotype … after all .. look at who the mayor of Salt Lake City is .. one of the best friends of progressives out there lately
Jenny from the Blog @ 121
Thanks….yeah – *sigh/
So, Tenet aims at Shooter, because he’s still playing politics and doesn’t want to aim at the Chimperer. This is not a book I am going to buy. Shame on Tenet.
On WaPo:
What a mess. “Could be executed?” Hello. No, they would be disappeared. Although I am sure ChimpyCo has never scrupled about this before.
I cannot describe the sadness I feel for all those who were cleared and who are now stateless thanks to ChimpCo.
Well, Pelosi is right it is and most certainly would be percieved as a conflict of interest for her to pursue impeachment. Can you imagine the howls of protest? I can. And good god that last thing I want is Cheney to replace Bush.
I want the truth, that’s all. I want every last crime exposed.
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Good Morning Christy and Firedogs,
well, it’s official, I am behind on the threads – and I missed Sharkbabe and MarkfromIreland ?!?!?
serious blerrgh X(
I wish to underscore Christy’s kudo’s to Melanie and the CREW folks – many of us aren’t aware or simply forgot – in their assault on democracy, WH instituted changes to FOIA in 03, making it even more difficult than ever before to get the 411 out of these bastids!
daughter cbl was in Europe for Katrina anniversary and told me about this – where ya been WaPo ?!?!?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 125
Ahh, Taylor Marsh. I see that Bill Press is in the same ‘network’ as Stephanie Miller. I just want something to counter the consistently constant drivel (or dribble). It gives the impression, especially where I am, that’s all there is. And – that simply cannot be because of I’m not part of “that.”
“I don’t see how people can stereotype … after all .. look at who the mayor of Salt Lake City is .. one of the best friends of progressives out there lately.”
We must remember that the red state/blue state thing is really bullshit for the most part. Urban vs. Rural usually is a greater indicator for political affiliation and attitudes. But even there it doesn’t really work.
Kuhl-to my shame-is my congresscritter also. Also an alum from my college-frat boy extradionaire.
MASSA!!!!
Boston1775 @ 117
Easier said than done. Spouse’s company is a microcosm of the dynamics, with only 100 people or less, part of a holding company of other such firms. The sales force goes where demand is; how does demand originate? They can’t make sales happen where there isn’t demand.
In the early 90’s, demand was primarily here in the U.S., with Big Three auto makers, Tier I through III suppliers, other heavy equipment manufacturers. In the space of decade, all that demand went overseas, and spouse’s company has no choice but to follow it or fold shop.
What we as Americans need to do is revisit the concept of domestic manufacturing as a national security issue, but that in turn is dependent on us seeing demand itself as a driver that influences national security. One critical component of demand that if changed could make our nation far more secure is our reliance on petroleum. We could completely renew our manufacturing base and our leadership as an economic power were we to dedicate ourselves nationally to the creation of a green economy.
(And I think Al Gore called for that as far back as 1992 in his book, Earth in Balance…)
landofthefree,
Squirrels rarely bother my stuff. Squirrels gotta eat, so I give ‘em nuts and they don’t eat my garden. One exception is sprouting beans — they *love* beansprouts. I put a mothball on the ground when I plant a bean, they don’t touch it. Once the plant is up and thriving they lose interest so I put the mothballs back in a jar and keep them for next year. Mothballs may be hazardous, though. I have read that cayenne pepper discourages squirrels but it didn’t work for me.
yellowdogD @ 126
Not too far from there actually. I live in Missoula and the local paper did a nice piece on Rolling Dog Ranch a while back. This is generally recognized as the “cultural capital” of Montana, with more vegans and enviromentalists per square inch than anywhere else in Montana (actually in most part of Montana, they think vegans are what is for lunch).
Those would be rather like the photos I post on my site such as the ones of the no less than six updated reports translated from Arabic we posted on “guides” yestreday. Photos like this one taken yesterday after the bombing in Al-Karbala:
Americans including Juan (who has never lived there) keep on telling me it’s a “sectarian civil war”
That as anyone who knows Irak will tell you is nonsense. Yes there are some about 5% of all attacks in irak that are sectarian in nature. But most – well in excess of 90% as the Pentagon has admitted in report after report after report – are against the American troops who have invaded Irak.
You get a lot attention paid to the attacks like al-Karbala, or the attack on the Imam Mousa Al Kadhim shrine in Kazhimiya (also yesterday) because as somebody who started out as a bomb disposal officer I can bitterly attest it’s waaaaay easier to kill civilians than it is to kill oldiers or even to kill the death squads masquerading as police that the green zone government put such stock in.
What Juan didn’t report is that American troops immediately surrounded the Iranian consulate (why????? – no way in HELL the Iranians would be involved with anything like that)
They also surrounded the (American installed and backed) governor’s house in al-Karbala to protect the (American installed and backed) governor from an outraged citizenry who were royally f*ck*ed *ff that this was the second bombing in the identical place using the identical method in two weeks.
This time the Americans didn’t open fire on the rescuers. Yes the Americans do do that with monotonous regularity. And I or one of my Iraki colleagues document it on my site whenever we can confirm it from at least two indpendent sources with equally monotonous regularity. Good thing for those American troops they didnt do it this time – unlike what they did the last big bombing 2 weeks ago in al-Karbala or the al-Sadriya bombing even more recently. Or the al-Shorja bombings or the al-Ula bombings come to that.
I know al-Karbala well and there’d have been a massacre and for once it wouldn’t have been U.S. or green zone government “troops” who’d be doing the massacring.
Civil war my bowdlerised hat. It’s a political war between those who are utterly determined to fight to kick you people out of a country where you have no right to be in the first place and where your troops and airforce have destroyed pretty much everything that made the place livable, and a collabo government and its supporters.
You people need to get over the Sunni Shia thing – it’s not particularly important, that it’s flared up at all is directly due to the deliberate actions of the U.S. government in fomenting it.
Bechtel: Did that report mention that the U.S. made generators are incompatible with the Iraki grid? Bet it didn’t.
Last point: Oklahoma Kiddo – if you think Turkey is a secular society you’ve never been there. The Middle East is Islamic – they don’t want a secular society. I suggest that everybody get used to that fact because until you do the killing will spread and spread and spread. It’s their home not anybody else’s and they don’t want western secualrist societies and why the hell would they? Secularism has always been imposed brutally and never for their benefit.
Wordsmith @
117
Try out. Like Smerconish last week. MSNBC trying to see who gets better ratings, wing-nuttery or libruls.
An impeachment move would be better if the momentum comes from the rank-and-file of the Congress. If the main impetus comes from Pelosi and Reid, it will be slammed as just politics. In other words, there has to be breadth at the bottom, giving the pro-impeachment forces (simple majority of the House) the numbers they need. With Kucinich and Murtha sounding out, there is movement there.
The adage says, “A good leader senses where the crowd is going, and gets in front of it.”
Here’s a summary from ABA Net.
ABANET on impeachment
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Re tulips and squirrels. I’ve read that a hot sauce and water mist may keep the critters from eating the flowers. I’ve also read that sprinkling hot pepper powder on the bulbs when planting will keep the squirrels from digging them up just as soon as they are planted. Hope this helps.
Wordsmith @ 133
Soooo looking forward to having a liberal on TV. Does anyone know how Smerconish did? Hope his ratings were horrid.
Impeach Cheney first.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 119
Hi CHS, I planted mountain laurels around my parents’ (weekend) house in West Virginia. The deer would eat every single leaf (and kill them) until I finally started putting chicken wire cylinders around them. (It took a couple years to figure out the problem, and the solution, since I wasn’t there that often.)
P.S. What’s caught my attention on the blogs? U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Tobias resigns to spend more time with his
familyhookers.dakine01 @ 140
Bingo. It’s all about ratings, that’s the bottom line
Bluetooth (#72)
They subscribe to Leader’s interpretation of the Constitution “it’s just a g..dam piece of paper”
a new theme is needed:
The President of the United States is just a guy (and soon, maybe, a woman). He’s not a king or a god. We need to remember that. The minute that guy disrespects his oath of office all bets are off. He’s FAIR GAME.
Impeachment is not a dirty word. It’s an important tool of government. It may or may not be possible to prove that George W. Bush has done anything criminal, although it certainly seems that he has. He has already proven that he is a serial bumbler and a terrible decision maker, and this is more than enough to impeach him and convict of of incompetence and therefore a danger to our nation.
It’s time for our national nightmare to end. If we don’t impeach Bush and Cheney the world will never forgive us and history will never let us forget what we failed to do.
shooogarp @ 134
Indeed. May I point out that our esteemed, and VERY progressive, governor and junior US Senator here in Montana are both working farmers? As to the issue of stereotyping, that is a normal part of human behavior. It helps us make the world (and people) more understandable and predictable. It becomes a problem when these stereotypes are inaccurate, serve as a basis for discrimination, or are resistant to change when confronted with contrary facts.
Cozumel @ 146
You are more generous than I. My take is that they are parading a bunch past but they will take the one they wanted all along. But they are able to say, “Look we tried a liberal, but the ratings just weren’t there.” Like declaring Hillary the ‘clear winner’ of the MSNBC debate.
If Tenet hammers home tonight that he and Cofer Black warned Condi of 911 “in the starkest possible terms” – in a meeting July 10, 2001 that went unreported to the 911 Commission – then she’ll be swinging like a Pinata sticking its tongue out at us for the week ahead – and her “asked and answered” objection will get tossed as an inadequate ‘gloss’ in the light of new facts.
She’s been running from any kind of accountability since she got rung-up on War Crimes charges – there’s no way she’s going to give any ‘new’ information, even if it means resisting the subpoena.
Unfortunately, it’s likely to take a genuine ’smoking gun’ memo or credible testimony from a witness – showing more than reasonable prior warning got ignored – to compel her to come forward and tell the Truth.
Waccamaw @ 7:55, you’re just going to have to come and visit the markets here with me someday. :)
Christy, thank you so much for all the time you take to provide so many wonderful links. I may not be able to provide insightful comment on them (things just move too fast here for me and my brain just doesn’t function these days as well as it used to!), but I do follow those links and I appreciate how much time it must take you to gather them for us.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 106
Marvin Bush (The Zeppo of Bush Brothers)
DrDick,
Love your governor, why isn’t he running for Prez?
CocoaBeach @ 153
Because we desperately need him here, thank you very much.
fahrender @
147
It doesn’t take a real crime to impeach. “Maladministration in high office” will do. But, if we are looking for real crimes, the violations of the Hatch Act seem to be very fertile ground — any email indicating that Bush condoned them would be a smoking gun.
markfromireland @ 138 – That’s very helpful and enlightening information. Thank you.
Bluetoe (#61)
Indeed he did and did you notice Bob Scheiffer’s response? He was incredulous at the thought of impeachment. Obviously he hasn’t been following the bouncing ball. And we wonder why the MSM has been such an abysmal failure.
the MSM is horrified that they might have to cover another impeachment. they would have to EAT DIRT. Can’t you imagine, Broder, Novakula, the Wapo Rethugs, Kate O’Bierne, Bill O’Reilly, etc ??
Wigwam @ 155
As several people have pointed out, the attorney firings alone would meet James Madison’s criteria for impeachment.
HotFlash says
This is where the get comes in. Who they can book for the show. Imus was never about Imus, it was his guests
Miller’s got good connections and should draw in some high powered guests
Cozumel @ 159
I loved the interviews Imus did. Okay, the ugly side of Imus was indeed awful. But, his interviews…..they were a news-junkie’s dream.
markfromireland @139
I don’t recall saying that “I” thought Turkey was secular.
Perhaps take a look at this:
http://english.aljazeera.net/N…..17FA6D.htm
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can someone answer me these questions three from way upthread
what’s an “okole”? I can sort of guess from the context, but wow, what a great word…..where did it come from?
what did happen between Lillian Hellman and Mary McCarthy? I’ve heard it mentioned b4 but don’t know the story.
Charlie Daniels does have some great tunes to his credit….”Uneasy Rider” one of my faves…..and did y’all know the fundies once tried to bust him for “The Devil Went Down to Georgia”?
(ok, that last wasn’t really a question, but I just HAD to quote that line from MP and the the Holy Grail…..
radiofreewill @ 150
Um, if that had happened, don’t you think Tenet should have mentioned it when he testified to the 9/11 Commission? He has ZERO credibility here. He was one of the key players in getting us stuck in Iraq. He is not some sort of whistleblower who got forced out of his job. He’s a disgraced shill who told the Administration what it wanted to hear, covered up for them, and got a Medal of Freedom for it. Years later, he’s realized that even the Medal of Freedom isn’t enough to salvage his reputation for the things he did. He’s STILL trying to paint Bush as a man who’s totally in charge but somehow not responsible for anything that happens. If he wants to be taken seriously–which he doesn’t; he just wants to make a few bucks off his book–he should start by giving the Medal of Freedom back. Then he should go to Congress and tell the truth, under oath.
(Dr. Dick: #109):
Personally, I’m waiting to hear from Pelosi ands Reid on the subject.
Murtha and Pelosi are pretty tight. Maybe some of it will rub off.
Pelosi will have to wait for a groundswell because of her previous statements, but if enough voices are added to the choir she will start humming the tune. Now where’s Aretha?
Not mentioned are the far more massive pro-government ones and if you say “we too are a secular nation” you’re saying Turkey is a secualr nation – some of the cities are most of the country isn’t.
fahrender @ 157
Schieiffer’s brother Tom is a BFF of Bush. I believe they were business partners. So, Murtha’s comment is as welcome to Bob Scheiffer as a bird dropping on a barbecued hamburger.
oddmommy @ 163
okole is Hawaiian for a**. FYI, puka is Hawaiian for hole so sometimes use okole puka when pertinent.
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yeah I know, it’s a craven ratings quest – but thank him today for his willingness to go against the Smerconish/Beck tide
I just read the post. Haven’t gone through the comments yet.
I saw the article on HP last night about Katrina and the effort by the rest of the world to help.
Everyday I am struck by the mean and confusing way Bushco operates. I am angry. I take action. My friends and neighbors take action. But I see little change on the horizon. What does it take to put impeachment back on the table? What should we do next?????
My elderly parents lost their home in New Orleans. They are no longer happy people. My mom says they are too old and don’t have time to get through the grief. They pretend to be contend living in Mississippi. My siblings are battling depression and a horrid sense of helplessness. To find out that money was turned down and help turned away when people were dying is the most shocking thing these ass**les have done second only to the thousands of Iraqi people killed. This is beyond imcompetence. This is the agressive destruction of our country.
When are these monsters going to be impeached and jailed??????????
Sorry, I am just too overwhelmed with so many scandals, so little bandwidth. Here is the linky to MARVIN and another
dakine01 @ 168
thank you. Now I’ll go find someone in today’s news to call an okole puka. Back in a millionth of a second.
@ C&L: Fired US Attorney David Iglesias on “Real Time” with Bill Maher
dakine01 @ 168
To add to our comparative scatology, [cepo] is Muskogee (Creek/Seminole) for the same thing. Generally given as [chepo fampe] (stinking a**] as the worst insult in the language.
noen @
122
Here in Canada the neocon movement seeks to privatize in areas which we have, with great effort, properly made social concerns. They want the control and they want the bucks. I speak of public education, socialized medicine, also our cultural institutions from arts councils to museums. A favourite way to accomplish this is to break it — cutting off funding to subsistence levels is a good method, but putting in catastrophic reporting requirements or unworkable administrative systems work well, too. We are pretty civilized here in Canada (ie, large proportion of our population lives in cities) so they are an obvious target. Rich in opportunities, too — they can tax.
Then they can say, look, it doesn’t work, we’ll have to let the private sector do it. Yeah, cities, they want to break the cities.
Some pix of what Louisiana and Mississippi STILL look like.
oddmommy @ 172 says:
Should be easy to find. There’s always a myriad of options available.
Texas Betsy @ 176
Unfortunately, you cannot expect people who do not believe in the public good to achieve it.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 162
Turkey *is* a secular nation with practicing muslims. What do you think an attaturkist is?
Kristol just will not give up! The harsh reality of hell on earth for the Iraqi people and the reality for American soldiers is unable to pierce his psychopathic bubble and babble. He could care less about any of these people.
Kristol and his radical pals want Iran and Syria so much they can taste the blood.
While I am not a military wife or mother,(but come from a military family) I have been able to get on with both Kristol and Frum on C-span and ask them why they have never served in the military? I have also asked them whether they have enoouraged their own children to serve on the front lines in the military and for their children to put their own lives on the line for their parents agenda in the middle east. They dance, they avoid, they attempt to turn the question around. They are lilly white assed chickenhawks!
Kristol, Frum, Cheney, Feith etc are the worst of the worst. willing to sacrifice others for their personal, financial and political agendas. They really belive they are the elite!
On Katrina remember when Castro offered to send 1000 Doctors? Bet that got under the Bush administrations skin.
At the Libby trial I was able to mention to Chris Matthews that he had said “Katrina had ripped the scab off of poverty and racism in the the U.S.” I mentioned to him that on his program the scab had been ripped off for about two weeks and then put back on. If Chris Matthews or some other mainstreamer would put their media spotlight on New Orleans every two weeks, the recovery would go much faster.
Come on Matthews rip the scab off again. Get down to New Orleans with your cameras, walk the streets and talk to the people there.
On NPR this morning they made it sound like it is all over for Wolfowitz! It’s about time for this warmonger to be called on the table!
Lou Costello @ 173
Bill Maher has really been hammering Bush lately. I wonder if Bush will try to remove him? If he really does want to move towards an authoritarian state, that would be his next move.
kathleen @ 180
But remember — they are pro-life!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 119
Woodchucks are particularly destructive in this area. Some things can be planted that deer won’t eat, but woodchucks are something else.
Mary McCurnin @ 170
very, very sorry for what happened to your family. Much as I despise these people, nothing they’ve done so far has directly hit me or my folks……so I can only imagine how you must feel.
Impeachment would be best. Criminal prosecution after they are out of office would be second. Third, the reality of their sicko fundie eternal hellfires….
shooogarp @
134
I know it is BS. That is why I pointed out that Rocky Anderson is the mayor of a city in a deeply red state. He’s been calling for impeachment for the past 6 months for cryin’ out loud. More to the point, one of the big reasons I dislike Bill and and his crew is that they did nothing to help build the party. Just look at what’s happened under the good Doctor as compared to Terry McAuliffe. The red state/blue state thing is just another media talking point creation. It makes for good yuk yuk’s for Tweety and Timmeh!!
mui @ 179
It is actually an aggressively secular nation, with laws limiting the public role of religion. It is, for instance, illegal for women to wear headscarves in public (government operated) buildings.
Please contact Bill Moyers and encourage him to do a present time documentary on how the MSM has allowed the “cakewalk in Iraq” liars to repeat unsubstantiated claims about Iran for the last three years.
Ask Moyers to do a show on Iran and the media. Why has the MSM allowed the claims about an “alleged” nuclear weapons program to go mostly unchallenged. (Chris Matthews has been consistently challenging these claims). The rest of the MSM allows the unsubstantiated claims to be repeated over and over again.
Polls report that 70% of Americans now believe that Iran posesses nuclear weapons instead of a nuclear energy program. This belief did not happen via osmosis.
Please contact Bill Moyers so that he does a show NOW on the media and Iran not in two years after the Bush administration pre-emptively attacks Iran! Moyers can help stop aN illegal, and immoral pre-emptive strike on Iran by digging for the truth instead of repeating the “cakewalk in Iraq” liars inflammatory rhetoric about Iran.
CONTACT MOYERS
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour…..dback.html
This is a great article and I agree with it to some degree. Moyers did not mention how much anti-invasion info was on the web, and did not show very much coverage of the anti-invasion marches( we know the MSM did not)
http://www.axisoflogic.com/art…..4430.shtml
HotFlash @ 175
How successful has Harper been? Have you guys been able to beat it back so far?
markfromireland, as angry and doctrinaire as ever.
Katrina story:
Before Katrina hit land, Bush & Co already saw it as an opportunity to funnel billions of contracts to their corrupt and incompent contributors. No way were they going to allow furrners with expertise and experience in.
What surprises me is they didn’t take more of the money and oil anyways.
Texas Betsy @ 183 says:
From conception through birth.
When the pundits are repeatedly WRONG……put them “ON NOTICE”!
Kathleen, WaPoop today has a front page Outlook piece on US neglect of Israel/Palestine, which you may want to check out. Should be in the online Poop.
dakine01 @ 192
From conception through birth.
Also from the point of brain death to expiration of all biological function.
Attaturk was a very devout Mus�lim why do you ask? No it isnt a secular nation. Go out into the provinces and you’ll find its anything but secualr. Go to the working class districts in the big cities and you’ll find the mosques are thronged and Dawaite movements flourishing. A large part of the middle class is and it’s they who are protesting. Most of the population voted overwhelmingly for an Islamist government. Most of the students in the universities describe themselves as Islamists. That is not a secular society or one that wants to be one either.
Some of its institutions are controlled by secularists is a more accurate description. Their control is slipping and they dont like it. Hence the protests.
DrDick @ 187
As one very prominent Turk told me, there are more laws to protect women in Turkey than in any other country, but they are not neccessarily enforced.
Except for maybe that headscarf thing, which is not neccessarily protecting anyone.
oddmommy @ 172
Here is a pronunciation guide:
okole = oh-KO-lay
puka = POO-kah
Usage example: Hoo, dat wahine (va-HEE-nay) get one sweet `okole!
Translation: That gal has a great tushy!
This shows that okole is not necessarily perjorative, just refers to the backside.
markfromirel�and @ 196
The same could be said of the US. What is important here is a secular legal and constitutional structure which has been in place since Attaturk and the Young Turks took over following WW I.
Mark, how about: Turkey is a constitutionally secular nation populated largely by devout Muslims.
-GSD
shooogarp @
134
I live in the South and both sides of my family have been Southern for more than 300 years. There is an aspect of Southern culture that is a stereotype but it also is real. A few months ago I drove through rural Miss. and Ala.; it was disturbing, not because of poverty but because of attitude.
HotFlash @
137
Mothballs are a big no-no if there are small children around. Toddlers will eat them in a heartbeat.
@ ThinkProgress: Murtha Floats Impeachment As ‘One Way To Influence The President’
Frank Probst @ 164
I agree completely about Tenet but also about Bush. In this case, it’s not just Tenet who does this but most of the media. They even at this late date continue to look past the fact that Bush is the worst President in our history and act like his approval ratings are high and his ideas reasonable.
Take Bush’s threat to veto the supplemental for example. That Democrats are doing what most Americans want, that Bush’s JARs are in the crapper, are seldom mentioned or only in passing. There is no hard hitting questioning of the wisdom of Bush’s decision. Instead we get stories of how it is the Democrats who have to watch out.
Yesterday some of us stood on the main street here in Athens OHio with our Impeach Cheney and Bush signs.(we had Nixon and Laura Bush mask on). We had many OHio Univ students (lots of white guys who were drunk in the middle of the day) walk by and say they were for Bush. We had many interesting dialogues but one fellow asked what has Cheney done? I mentioned 650,ooo Iraqi dead and 2 million refugees. He responded “the Iraqi’s aren’t people anyway”.
Over the course of the invasion I have heard many comments like this from guys that I refer to as “meatheads”, and white women wearing crosses around their necks who have said things like “go nuke them all”. I could not help myself and said to this arrogant white kid “I bet you go to church on Sunday too!” He said “yes I do”
It is this type of attitude that is frightening and there are plenty of scary folks who think like this. Every African American student that walked by gave us a thumbs up, a nod or some affirmation that they agreed with us.
How can we wonder why people around the world fear us.? The Bush administrations arrogant attitude has fueled this ugly and terrifying thinking. This “onward Judeo-Christian killer” mentality. Scary times
Steve @ 201
Going back to my earlier post, many (perhaps most) stereotypes derive from some degree of observed reality. Unfortunately, they (intentionally) oversimplify and gloss over variability.
In the C&L clip, Lisa Schiffern really tries to get her talking point out there and is promptly refuted. This needs to happen a lot more.
markfromirel�and @ 196
Why are you assuming you know more Mark. What do you know about some of our backgrounds? Of the many Turks I have known, not one (ok maybe one) was a practicing Muslim, or they are “ostensibly” Muslim. Most were confessed attaturkists and proud of it. This country has many practicing Christians, still if the governement is run by secular priciples, it is by definition secular. Furthermore Attaturk was not a devout Muslim. He was revealed to be a Free Mason, and was known to say that all religion should be swept out to sea, or something like that.
Thanks dreamcatcher! As they say, “Howzit, Bra?”
Folks you can split hairs as much as you like :-) The majority of Turks do not want a secular society. The secular institutions that people point to in the west so admiringly are maintained only by massive force and brutality which was how they were imposed in the first place. That control is now slipping not least because large chunks of the officer corps and the polcie are Islamists.
And I’m assuming I know more mui because I’ve spent my entire adult life actually living in the middle east. Which isn’t a reasonable assumption to make about most Americans or Irish either for that matter :-)
All I am saying is that what people in the west see hear read is filtered through a heavily secuarist and tiny minority of the population and that that is true of the entire region. Trying to graft secularism onto a society that is fundamentally non-secular is a mugs game and will never work.
Frank at 164
Granted, Tenet is looking tool-like and yappy-happy over the case for War. I, too, think he has no credibility.
However, the July 10th meeting, two months before 911, between Condi, Tenet and Black is a fact. Likewise, the meeting wasn’t reported to the 911 Commission.
Check it out:
nytimes.com link
If Condi was warned “in the starkest possible terms” on July 10th, and the meeting wasn’t reported to the 911 Commission, then how can her move to quash the subpoena based on “asked and answered” irrelevance be true?
She’s treating her July 10th meeting like Gonzo treats his November 27th meeting – it’s a complete haze and she just can’t see into it or remember anything…but she’s answered all the questions that have been put to her!
Lou Costello @ 203
Murtha is playing a smart game here. He won’t say that impeachment is on the table, just that is one way of influencing a sitting prez. But we all know that the pressure is still there.
Fresh thread, up and ready for the reading.
Beautiful photo Christy. Reminds me of the Sand Dunes in southern Colorado. Worth a trip to, while going from one hot spring to the next in Colorado.
In southeastern Ohio we have been blessed with plenty of rain, so that grass and trees are emerald green with redbuds and dogwood in full bloom up against the green. The woods are filled with spring beuties, dutchman’s britches, trillium, black and blue cohosh, phlox, violets, jack in the pulpit, ginseng, may apple, blood root, golebseal and oh so many Appalachian treasures blooming.
*poof*
kathleen @ 204
In Denver the 30%’ers were actually more like 8%. I don’t recall seeing any Hispanic or African-American who didn’t give us the thumbs up. The only people I saw giving us the finger were embittered-looking middle aged white guys in old cars. The people in the expensive cars mostly gave us the thumbs-up; some refused to catch our eyes and stared straight ahead as they waited for the light to change.
markfromirel�and @ 210
First of all, I keep hearing the military is still largely Attaturkist. I don’t get what you mean by “thronging” mosques. To tell you the truth I am a little offended. Like those swarms of Muslims all united in some kind of mind warp. Are you able to acknowledge the gradations and degrees of difference in practice, observance, etc.?
markfromireland @ 210
Thanks for the insights!
dakine01 @ 209
Hey, dakine, howzit!! (giving the shaka sign). It’s a cool day here in Queens, but spring is finally here. Nevah tho’t I would throw some pidgin in a high-tone place like FDL, but this is one big o’hana (extended family to the others), so I guess its copacetic (not Hawaiian but we used it often).
PeteCO @ 216
ONe of our signs said 650,ooo dead Iraqis, 2 million Iraqi refugees! DO YOU CARE?
As people drove by many big trucks with one person in them, people either looked at us with blank stares or looked away. I think if I were from another country and I saw people drawing blanks, yelling out “Iraqi’s are not people anyway” or ” go nuke them all”. It would confirm once and for all why you should fear Americans. The Bush administration has done their very best to dehumanize Muslim populations.
I have talked with quite a few soldiers returning from Iraq who are from southeastern Ohio. When you are patient enough you can find out that they are not proud of how they have knocked down doors in Iraq or how they have treated the Iraqi people. I think the Iraqi people have been incredibly mistreated by some of our soldiers, and many of our soldiers are going to be reluctant to talk about this honestly!
dreamcatcher @
219
I had four great years as a haole GI on Oahu. Educational in many ways as where I first experienced the subtle discrimination that a lot of folks have lived all their lives but still loved it. Perpetual summer makes a lot of stuff tolerable.
I lived in Aiea for the last 2 years above Pearl CC, looking out towards Pearl Harbor. Could see from Diamond Head to the Wailae(sp?) Mts from the lania. Fourth of July and New Years, I could usually sit there and watch at least six fire works displays!
Rayne said:
Easier said than done. Spouse’s company is a microcosm of the dynamics, with only 100 people or less, part of a holding company of other such firms. The sales force goes where demand is; how does demand originate? They can’t make sales happen where there isn’t demand.
In the early 90’s, demand was primarily here in the U.S., with Big Three auto makers, Tier I through III suppliers, other heavy equipment manufacturers. In the space of decade, all that demand went overseas, and spouse’s company has no choice but to follow it or fold shop.
What we as Americans need to do is revisit the concept of domestic manufacturing as a national security issue, but that in turn is dependent on us seeing demand itself as a driver that influences national security. One critical component of demand that if changed could make our nation far more secure is our reliance on petroleum. We could completely renew our manufacturing base and our leadership as an economic power were we to dedicate ourselves nationally to the creation of a green economy.
(And I think Al Gore called for that as far back as 1992 in his book, Earth in Balance…)
Rayne,
Exactly true. I began to write about what it will take for us to get to a point where we are willing to go to the expense and the down years necessary for the USA to re-enter the manufacturing economy. We’ve been so busy going in the opposite direction.
Going overseas is necessary. The kids in business schools are learning all of the ways to do this.
My nephew, in the Columbia MBA program, is trying to see other ways.
I want to be optimistic. I can’t help being concerned that it has all gone too far. I agree that going green has the vitality needed to inspire US retooling.
bg @
13
Woohoo!!! That sent chills racing up my arms :)
markfromireland @ 210
You assume wrong. And I might point out that quality of observation is also important.
Thank you, Christy.
dakine, 221:
New thread upstairs, so I guess it is ok to chat. I can see you have a lot of nostalgia for the Islands, despite some experience of intolerance. Had you stayed you would be almost a kama’aina by now, and you would be feeling very much at home. I think ha’oles who treat the locals with respect can expect to receive it in kind. Not all do, though, and too many still flaunt their relative prosperity, esp. newcomers from Canada and Europe, arriving in hordes and buying up premium property while locals struggle (with 2 or more jobs) to make ends meet.
It’s tough living in Paradise!
I’m having a ‘follow the money’ moment. These high priced escorts charged 275/hr with a minimum of 1/1/2 hours.
Even well-to-do guys must have to watch the pocketbook and explain to the wife where the $$ goes.
So who paid the bills? Lobbyists?
‘Like ordering pizza’ indeed.
dreamcatcher @
70
I’m a bit doubtful about what she’s reported. She asserts that in eleven years her “firm” only had about $2 million in revenues, that her escorts charged between $200-$300/evening, and that she had thousands of clients and hundreds of escorts. Something doesn’t add up here. Do the numbers.
Let’s say that she has 2000 clients who only had ONE “referral”. 2000 X $200 = $4 million. And that’s assuming that the clients never were repeat customers at her lowest pay rate. So she’s eithere exagerrating the size of her business or lied to the IRS.
Maybe her statements to the IRS were that SHE made $2 million over 11 years. Not the total revenues. I wonder what her “commission %” was off those $200-$300 fees…and whether that included “extras” (tips/roses).
I have to say that on the whole it’s working out very well for them. We’ve not been able to beat much back. Sometimes it looks like progress but they just fall back and change fronts. They are persistent and mobile. As my mom used to say, it’s like the fat lady and the girdle — you push it in one place and it pops out in another.
First, you should understand that this has been going on here for a long time. Canada has danced to America’s tune for decades — you may or may not know about Deifenbacher and the Avro Arrow, but the current Assault by Global Neocons goes back to Mulroney days on the national front. Here in Ontario we count from Mike Harris. A lot of the damage is being done by what I call time-bombs, policies and procedures which were set in place years ago that will bring down an institution over time. Our Ontario hospitals have been infected this way, ditto arts funding and our museums have been turned into peep-shows, most of the collections mothballed and the gallery space switched to revenue production — read fast-food franchises.
Our toughest fighter is Maude Barlow and her Council of Canadians.
Let’s see, past couple a weeks: ‘Canada to buy tanks‘ — why do we need tanks? Our water is pretty close to being privatized, and that is *HUGE*, bigger than oil. City of Toronto going broke, or not, depending on who you listen to. Me, I see a lot of businesses closing because of ppty tax hikes. Too many vacant stores in my ‘hood.
Much of this happened under Conservative govts, but the Liberals campaign on fixing/repealing but somehow when they get in nothing changes. This is why I get so mad when Howard Dean cozies up to the Liberals here — they are *not* progressive in any way, they are same as the DLC is except maybe more corrupt. If that is possible.
A huge problem in Canada is that although we are generally a ‘kinder, gentler place’ we are by the same token used to trusting our government. For instance, nearly all of my friends and acquaintances here still think that Cdn Forces are peacekeepers, and the media obliges with pics of our troops handing out candy and schoolbooks. Only in the ads are we getting the truth: “Fight with the Canadian Forces”. Click on the video and look at all those *guns*. They are actively recruiting folks who want to shoot some butt.
We have no infrastructure here for reporting on or fighting our government. There is no equiv to FDL here, and wiki articles are few and primitive. We do rate branch offices of AEI, though, our very own Fraser Institute, and an LGF surrogate called Small Dead Animals (no link to them!).
Georgesimian @
112
If she can write about it in a book, she can testify about it before Congress! She sort of stripped away any claims that this syuffed is protected by Executive Privelege in that one statement.
Even more interesting. If she DOES write about it, and it is material that she denied Congress she could be cited for contempt of Congress.
This one caught my eye — check out the last topic on the McGlaughlin group — they’re talking about the Pentagon sanctioning Wiccan symbols for the complimentary headstones they provide. Pretty disgusting display by Tony Blankley, Pat Buchanan, and the British Guy, all making jokes about Wiccans threatening to Hex the Pentagon if they weren’t recognized, ‘witch hunt’ jokes, and the like. I’m not a PC guy, but for a group of folks who say they support the military and are mostly fundamentalists, this sort of scorn coming from them toward around 1800 of our serving men and women is galling.
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I saw the photo and thought the figure was walking down not up.
Don’t know if any of the following has been covered above, but I am late coming to the thread and was impressed with this article:
Tomgram: Scahill, A Democratic Sell-out on Bush’s Mercenaries
Let’s be clear about what it is — when it comes to “withdrawal” from Iraq — that the President will veto this Wednesday. Section 1904(b) of the supplemental appropriations bill for the Pentagon, H.R. 1591, passed by the House and Senate, mandates that the Secretary of Defense “commence the redeployment of the Armed Forces from Iraq not later than October 1, 2007, with a goal of completing such redeployment within 180 days.” If you’ve been listening to network TV news shows or reading your local newspaper with less than an eagle eye, you might well be under the impression that — just as the phrasing above seems to indicate — a Democratic-controlled Congress has just passed a bill that mandates a full-scale American withdrawal from Iraq. (Reporters and commentators regularly speak of the Democrats’ insistence that “American troops be withdrawn from Iraq.”) But that’s only until you start reading the exceptions embedded in the bill.
Here are the main ones. According to H.R. 1591, the Secretary of Defense is allowed to keep U.S. forces in Iraq for the following purposes:
1. “Protecting American diplomatic facilities and American citizens, including members of the United States Armed Forces”: This doesn’t sound like much, but don’t be fooled. As a start, of course, there would have to be forces guarding the new American embassy in Baghdad (known to Iraqis as “George W’s Palace”). When completed, it will be the largest embassy in the known universe with untold thousands of employees; then there would need to be forces to protect the heavily fortified citadel of the Green Zone (aka “the International Zone”) which protects the embassy and other key U.S. facilities. Add to these troops to guard the network of gigantic, multibillion dollar U.S. bases in Iraq like Balad Air Base (with air traffic volume that rivals Chicago’s O’Hare) and whatever smaller outposts might be maintained. We’re talking about a sizable force here.
2. “Training and equipping members of the Iraqi Security Forces”: By later this year, U.S. advisors and trainers for the Iraqi military, part of a program the Pentagon is now ramping up, should reach the 10,000-20,000 range (many of whom — see above — would undoubtedly need “guarding”).
3. “Engaging in targeted special actions limited in duration and scope to killing or capturing members of al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations with global reach”: This is a loophole of loopholes that could add up to almost anything as, in a pinch, all sorts of Sunni oppositional forces could be labeled “al-Qaeda.”
An Institute for Policy Studies analysis suggests that the “protection forces” and advisors alone could add up to 40,000-60,000 troops. None of this, of course, includes U.S. Navy or Air Force units stationed outside Iraq but engaged in actions in, or support for actions in, that country.
Another way of thinking about the Democratic withdrawal proposals (to be vetoed this week by the President) is that they represent a program to remove only U.S. “combat brigades,” adding up to perhaps half of all U.S. forces, with a giant al-Qaeda loophole for their return. None of this would deal with the heavily armed and fortified U.S. permanent bases in Iraq or the air war that would almost certainly escalate if only part of the American expeditionary forces were withdrawn (and the rest potentially left more vulnerable).
No less strikingly, in an era in which the “privatizing” of state functions is the rage, the enormous mercenary forces of private “security” companies like Blackwater USA, now fighting a shadow war alongside U.S. troops in Iraq, would be untouched. On this striking point Jeremy Scahill has much to say — and he should know. He’s the author of the surprise national bestseller, Blackwater: The Rise of the World’s Most Powerful Mercenary Army, which will shake you to your combat boots when it comes to the nature of the mercenary age — sorry, the age of “private security contractors” — that we’ve now entered. No personal library that claims to make sense of our messy, bloody planet should be without his book. Tom
I detest the hypocrisy of the Democrats and their attempting to pass themselves off as the righteous ones. Who knew that their
bills would include such heinous exceptions and loopholes.
At one point I read/heard???? something to the effect that a lot of the proposed allocation has nothing to do with Iraq coverage but actually fund forward development costs for new systems, etc. passed off as essential costs for “protecting the troops”. Haven’t found a cite for that alleged reality, but I suspect it to be very true. Certainly consistent with Bush’s lies about everything he does, but certainly so about his war.
Peace, let there be peace and honesty and integrity on earth and let it remain with us and begin with the BushCo insane asylum, but I won’t hold my breath for that dream.
Late to the thread but I love that photo too. A lot of people don’t know it but, there are sand dunes exactly like this in the USA, in the Great Sand Dunes National Park in southern Colorado, right up against the San Juan range of the Rockies. Spectacular views and very impressive dunes, hundreds of feet high, miles long and really tough to climb.