Sweet Jane!!

Zed!!

Teddy!!

Home run!!

hey, JK’sC — how you doin?

Good thanks. Any idea on when we might hear of more fall out TeddySanFran @
5

hey, JK’sC — how you doin?

Any idea if there is more fallout coming? Does anyone think this guy is the only Bush Admin. official to use the service?

Teddy!

Oh, yeah, that’s it, that’s the ticket…

Tobias was engaged in a sex worker outreach program.

Ri-i-ight.

This kind of scandal could get ugly for both parties. Fingers crossed here.

Hey Teddy – did you see this last thread?

TheOtherWA @
116

A few hours ago, ABC radio news reported that not only the clients of the DC Madam were being looked at, but so were the employees. They claimed some were women with important jobs in DC.

This could get really interesting, if it’s true.

Joe Klein’s conscience @
6

Good thanks. Any idea on when we might hear of more fall out TeddySanFran @
5

hey, JK’sC — how you doin?

Any idea if there is more fallout coming? Does anyone think this guy is the only Bush Admin. official to use the service?

Surely there must be some Dems in her Rolodex too… I mean, is there any reason to hope that this thing is going to hurt only Repugs?

Prostitution doesn’t bother me. It’s the family values fanatics who preach about the evils of it, and go to church on Sunday, and later that night or some other time they might very well be found soliciting that I can’t take. It’s the hypocrisy and the liars who are revolting. Not the prostitutes.

Heidi Fleiss Goes to Washington. What fun! I’d suspect many other fish to be hauled up in the Rolodex net…perhaps both parties, perhaps both sexes.

Thanks for the great post, TeddySanFran.
(Love Waylan & Madame, BTW)

Oklahoma kiddo @ 12

Prostitution doesn’t bother me. It’s the family values fanatics who preach about the evils of it, and go to church on Sunday, and later that night or some other time they might very well be found soliciting that I can’t take. It’s the hypocrisy and the liars who are revolting. Not the prostitutes.

Gotcha. Tobias was cutting off funding for community-based programs around the world that were successfully reaching sex workers, always a front line in HIV prevention. Requiring US-funded organizations to pledge “no-contact” with sex workers while patronizing them, even if for massages (wink, wink) seems to exceed hypocrisy. We need a new word.

lolo!

Hi, just came in.

My scandals list is up to 163. Selise just updated it. It’s here:

http://www.netrootsmass.net/Hugh/Bush_list.html
And my 162:

162. Randall Tobias, US Director of Foreign Assistance and head of US Agency for International Development (USAID) with the rank of Deputy Secretary of State since March 29, 2006. Before this he was our first Global AIDS Coordinator (October 2003) where he criticized condom use and promoted abstinence only programs. As Director of Foreign Assistance, he continued to oversee the Global AIDS program. He resigned April 27, 2007 after it came out that he had been named as using a Washington escort service. I am not a prude about these things but I do see a problem between his personal activities and his public positions.

Just a drive-by comment: just what did these, uh, professional health care specialists, massage? His prostate?
Are we seeing the first administration heavily influenced by V**gra? Could that explain the excessive bellicosity (if your e****** lasts longer than 4 hours, call up the National Guard).
Oh yeah, MoDo as Joe Lieberman of pundits (thanks TPM). Heh.
Sending mental positrons to Jane.
Back to lurk mode, Hypatia

(Mod Note: Edited to allow to pass through spam filters which include prescription name drugs)

Suzanne @ 10

Hey Teddy – did you see this last thread?

TheOtherWA @
116

A few hours ago, ABC radio news reported that not only the clients of the DC Madam were being looked at, but so were the employees. They claimed some were women with important jobs in DC.

This could get really interesting, if it’s true.

This is sounding more and more like that storyline in West Wing where the character played by Rob Lowe dates one of these high-priced professionals. Did the WW team know a LOT about life inside the Beltway?

again i repeat from the last thread…..UN MITIGATED GALL!!!

So with all this frosting for Waxmans huge cake. I love cake.

SHEESE!!! it just goes on and on

Oklahoma kiddo @ 12

Prostitution doesn’t bother me. It’s the family values fanatics who preach about the evils of it, and go to church on Sunday, and later that night or some other time they might very well be found soliciting that I can’t take. It’s the hypocrisy and the liars who are revolting. Not the prostitutes.

Agree Kid..
I would add a general lack of class in DC all around…Either live up to the 18th century laws of the United States or repeal them or update them..Sometimes here in the bible belt you can cut the hypocracy with a butter knife.
8***************************8
What happens in DC stays in DC.

Nan @ 9

This kind of scandal could get ugly for both parties. Fingers crossed here.

The next name will let us know more about that, I betcha.

Since the first two (Mr Shock-and-Awe and the Deputy Secretary of State) are on the Bushie side, I would expect ABC to question an upstanding Democrat next, if there is one on the list. Or, they might strategize: leak Bushie-type names until some Democrat takes the bait and gets all sancitmonious, then drop the anvil on our side.

Yup, it’s scary, but I want these chips to fall where they may.

I can hear Madame saying it now (& ending it w/that cackling laugh), “Oh, honey, you don’t know the half of it. HAHAHAHAHA.”

Today’s GOP: It’s the Do-As-I-Say-Not-As-I-Do Party.

He was, erm, doing research, getting some hands on experience, really into his work, looking for the inside scoop, trying to stay on top of things, I mean keep abreast of them, well at least get to the bottom of them. IOW butter him up and call him toast.

Correct me if I am wrong, but reading between the lines and trying to think outside the box – was Tobias saying that the reason he used services from non-citizens was because there are some jobs that American’s won’t do?

Marie Roget @ 13

Heidi Fleiss Goes to Washington. What fun! I’d suspect many other fish to be hauled up in the Rolodex net…perhaps both parties, perhaps both sexes.

Thanks for the great post, TeddySanFran.
(Love Waylan & Madame, BTW)

Christy is a Graphics Goddess, in addition to her other very well-known talents around here. I am a lucky beneficiary, with the Pink Luggage yesterday and Madame today. It’s a particularly malevolent pic of Madame, no?

According to ccmask’s 1:42 pm comment in the previous thread, “I understand the madam has 46 pounds of phone records. There has to be more than Tobias in there….”

as a high profile former executive – i guess tobias figured this is SOP – so whats the big deal here…….. nothing to see here……..LMAO!!!

juslin @ 20

SHEESE!!! it just goes on and on

ABC is leaking one name every two weeks. This could be a long summer for Ms. Palfrey’s customers. And an entertaining one for us.

I read somewhere that Tobias has been trying to quit State for six months and Rice wouldn’t let him. Now I bet she wishes she had let him leave.

From dreamcatcher on the previous thread – I wanted to make sure folks saw this.

Tobias was head honcho at pharma giant Eli Lilly (yes, they make AIDS drugs) when he took over the job overseeing AIDS control.

It is so like Bush to give the job to someone who has a drug perspective on AIDS as opposed to preventing AIDS. It is no surprise then that he denied funds to groups that advocated use of condoms to prevent AIDS.

He had to resign because he has no credibility left as a moral spokesman for the religious right.

So what finally takes this man out is not his massive conflict of interest, but sex.

Hugh @ 25

He was, erm, doing research, getting some hands on experience, really into his work, looking for the inside scoop, trying to stay on top of things, I mean keep abreast of them, well at least get to the bottom of them. IOW butter him up and call him toast.

Tobias’s comment that he was “using Central Americans now” was particularly infuriating, in its dismissiveness and callous disregard of these women’s humanity. Once I calmed down about that, though, I started thinking, hmmmmm. Central America? Who in this Administration just took a demotion, to State, and has some Central American expertise? Mr. Blackbridge?

In this guy’s case it’s not JUST the hypocrisy –

it’s the hypocrisy that leads to the death of others!

Their sanctimony prevents humanitarian health groups from saving innumerable lives.

[God is not amused.

As a child I was frightened of the whole notion of Judgement Day. Not any more. My personal belief (which I do NOT push on others) in a Final Justice is a great, great comfort to me.

And at the same time I believe just as strongly, if not more so, that it is the duty of every human being, regardless of faith or lack thereof, to strive for the best human embodiment of Justice in THIS LIFE as is possible.]

juslin @ 29

as a high profile former executive – i guess tobias figured this is SOP – so whats the big deal here…….. nothing to see here……..LMAO!!!

I love Tom Lantos even more than I did before. From today’s WaPo:

The ambitious effort has been controversial on Capitol Hill, where Tobias’s style and performance have come under attack. At a hearing last month, Rep. Tom Lantos (D-Calif.), chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, accused Tobias of “tycoonitis,” which he described as “people who come from the top of the corporate ladder who consider congressional suggestions, requests for information and participation in decision-making as intruding on their turf.”

I wonder if Lilly makes a shot for “tycoonitis?” Bwahahahaha…..

Fern @ 32:

So what finally takes this man out is not his massive conflict of interest, but sex.

It’s just as Jon Stewart has painted it. They’d rather be seen as incompetent pinheads than as what they truly are: craven and corrupt.

A cat in every tree.

From TSF…

Tobias’s comment that he was “using Central Americans now” was particularly infuriating, in its dismissiveness and callous disregard of these women’s humanity. Once I calmed down about that, though, I started thinking, hmmmmm. Central America? Who in this Administration just took a demotion, to State, and has some Central American expertise? Mr. Blackbridge?

And USE is clearly the operative word here – thought i would point that out for the folks who don’t seem to have trouble with prostitution.

No sex – but plenty of rub & tug going on

Hugh @
26

He was, erm, doing research, getting some hands on experience, really into his work, looking for the inside scoop, trying to stay on top of things, I mean keep abreast of them, well at least get to the bottom of them. IOW butter him up and call him toast.

Or did he rub somebody the wrong way? :)

TSF@30
i fear i’m enjoying this wayyyyyyyyy too much i cant stop laughing….

Nola Sue @ 35

Fern @ 32:

So what finally takes this man out is not his massive conflict of interest, but sex.

It’s just as Jon Stewart has painted it. They’d rather be seen as incompetent pinheads than as what they truly are: craven and corrupt.

A cat in every tree.

“Incompetence” is their brand-saving comeback meme for 2016. Just like “The New Nixon,” they hope people will remember the GOP not for its amazing kleptocracy, but as bumblers.

So much sadness!!

“I’m sad today,” said one person close to Tobias. “The president loves him and Condi absolutely loves him.”

Could this be a blind WaPo quote from She Who Suffers With Our President?

But President Bush wouldn’t budge. He signed a 2003 National Security Presidential Directive saying prostitution “and related activities” were “inherently harmful and dehumanizing.”

“inherently harmful and dehumanizing”? Yeah, prostitution is inherently harmful and dehumanizing but torturing detainees is a-ok. Prostitution may not be desirable in human society for a number of reasons, but at least the ideal form of prostitution involves two consenting adults. Besides, the world’s oldest occupation isn’t going away any time soon so you might as well fund anti-AIDS initiatives.

Man, don’t you just love getting lessons in morality from the mass-murderer in chief?

Wasn’t President Bush going to restore honor and integrity in Washington?

They have butchered everything. Stay tuned for a Bush speech fron the renamed Offal Office.

f00bar jones @ 43

“inherently harmful and dehumanizing”? Yeah, prostitution is inherently harmful and dehumanizing but torturing detainees is a-ok. Prostitution may not be desirable in human society for a number of reasons, but at least the ideal form of prostitution involves two consenting adults. Besides, the world’s oldest occupation isn’t going away any time soon so you might as well fund anti-AIDS initiatives.

Man, don’t you just love getting lessons in morality from the mass-murderer in chief?

Well said – excellent comparison

does all this bring to mind the israeli ambassador who was recalled after being found bound and gagged? my mind is working overtime on this tobias story – i guess the “restraints” were too tight hehehehehe

BTW, the ABC Radio report was one of those brief stories at the top of the hour, but I haven’t heard it repeated. I was driving when I heard it this morning at 11am.

As for Tobias, of course he had to switch “escort” services. Palfrey was busted some time ago, and he found a new service to provide him with those women from Central America. What a pig. I feel bad for his wife.

Yikes! OT

We’re in the middle of a sudden massive dust storm with gale force winds.

Gotta go shut the blinds around the house — so that if a flying tree limb should hit it (and the accompanying glass shards) won’t land in the middle of the room.

BRB.

juslin @ 46

does all this bring to mind the israeli ambassador who was recalled after being found bound and gagged? my mind is working overtime on this tobias story – i guess the “restraints” were too tight hehehehehe

he’s fit to be tied.

any judges on the list? “judicial restraint”, hmmm…
W will only appoint strict constraintionist judges.

punaise on a roll

Mrs. K8 @ 48

Yikes! OT

We’re in the middle of a sudden massive dust storm with gale force winds.

Gotta go shut the blinds around the house — so that if a flying tree limb should hit it (and the accompanying glass shards) won’t land in the middle of the room.

BRB.

Be careful. It is a beautiful day here in So. CA.

So if we’re talking high end hookers in Washington, the clientele would be senior government officials, military, and politicians, judges, lawyers, and let’s not forget the media and lobbyists.

Re lobbyists, I wonder if there is any tie in with Dusty Foggo and hookergate.

Mrs. K8 @ 34

In this guy’s case it’s not JUST the hypocrisy –

it’s the hypocrisy that leads to the death of others!

Their sanctimony prevents humanitarian health groups from saving innumerable lives.

[God is not amused.

As a child I was frightened of the whole notion of Judgement Day. Not any more. My personal belief (which I do NOT push on others) in a Final Justice is a great, great comfort to me.

And at the same time I believe just as strongly, if not more so, that it is the duty of every human being, regardless of faith or lack thereof, to strive for the best human embodiment of Justice in THIS LIFE as is possible.]

*******************************************
I really like your attitude Mrs.K8.
*******************************************
If I may expound..It is not just our duty to be the best we can..It is our calling…
Yes, the animal side of man can drag us into war, hate, destruction and Lies.
The Beauty of Man and womankind is Love, Brotherhood, Art & Song & a Billion great things. In only 200 years there has been the miracle of America, The EU et. al.
In another 200 years we may shed the Sins of 20th Century mankind…
Well back to Basketball..Halftime is over..
Love..Hoosierhoops

punaise@48

kudos

Hugh @ 51

So if we’re talking high end hookers in Washington, the clientele would be senior government officials, military, and politicians, judges, lawyers, and let’s not forget the media and lobbyists.

Re lobbyists, I wonder if there is any tie in with Dusty Foggo and hookergate.

Still don’t have a clear sense of whether the Watergate/Cunningham sex workers were lady-hookers or boy-hookers, though. Ms. Palfrey has only mentioned employing women in her “sexual fantasy service” but who knows, maybe it will get more complex soon.

BTW, it’s next Friday’s 20/20 that MsPalfrey’s story is scheduled to air. Keep an eye on that, though, I wouldn’t be surprised to see last-minute changes.

Tobias’ program involved “outreach.”

And was this on govt time or personal time?

Probably he resigned to spend more time with family.

Mrs K8…. just came in from stacking up the patio furniture before I had to fish them out of the pool.

Have a good friend who lives in Brazil and it was quite a nasty political issue when Tobias insisted on the prostitution clause. It is one of the reasons that Brazil has been developing generic AIDS drugs…. They told Tobias and his Anti-AIDS funding to take a flying leap.

Another BushCo policy which leaves death and sadness in its wake.

TeddySanFran @ 14

Oklahoma kiddo @ 12

Prostitution doesn’t bother me. It’s the family values fanatics who preach about the evils of it, and go to church on Sunday, and later that night or some other time they might very well be found soliciting that I can’t take. It’s the hypocrisy and the liars who are revolting. Not the prostitutes.

Gotcha. Tobias was cutting off funding for community-based programs around the world that were successfully reaching sex workers, always a front line in HIV prevention. Requiring US-funded organizations to pledge “no-contact” with sex workers while patronizing them, even if for massages (wink, wink) seems to exceed hypocrisy. We need a new word.

A new word for doubleplus hypocrisy? We already have such a word.

Republican.

come on: “Dusty Foggo”? call me name-ist, but how did someone with that moniker get a security clearance, much less rise to such a high position in the CIA? It’s better suited to a dimestore harlequin romance novel / airport bookshop thriller.

Hugh @ 52

So if we’re talking high end hookers in Washington, the clientele would be senior government officials, military, and politicians, judges, lawyers, and let’s not forget the media and lobbyists.

Re lobbyists, I wonder if there is any tie in with Dusty Foggo and hookergate.

Good question. Wonder if anyone else has had that thought?

juslin, TSF… :~)

So, did Madame give all her info to ABC?
anyone know why ABC?

punaise @ 58

come on: “Dusty Foggo”? call me name-ist, but how did someone with that moniker get a security clearance, much less rise to such a high position in the CIA? It’s better suited to a dimestore harlequin romance novel / airport bookshop thriller.

sez Mr. Thumbtack. *g*

Is it evil of me to enjoy this? Please say no because I am really enjoying this.

My hope, Rove’s number is on the madame list! It would just make perfect sense.

Elliott @ 62

So, did Madame give all her info to ABC?
anyone know why ABC?

ABC paid her for the records.

Elliott @ 61

So, did Madame give all her info to ABC?
anyone know why ABC?

Don’t know, but it’s TalkingPointsMemo alumnus Justin Rood who is breaking this with Brian Ross.

Hugh @ 52

So if we’re talking high end hookers in Washington, the clientele would be senior government officials, military, and politicians, judges, lawyers, and let’s not forget the media and lobbyists.

Re lobbyists, I wonder if there is any tie in with Dusty Foggo and hookergate.

I recall one of those naughty old republican horndogs preferred male escorts. Where is former WH press corps ace Jeff Gannon when American needs his reportorial skills?

punaise @ 59

come on: “Dusty Foggo”? call me name-ist, but how did someone with that moniker get a security clearance, much less rise to such a high position in the CIA? It’s better suited to a dimestore harlequin romance novel / airport bookshop thriller.

At least you aren’t one of them submarine sammich-ists, punaise.

TeddySanFran @ 63

punaise @ 58

sez Mr. Thumbtack. *g*

well, there is that. thanks for avoiding the other translation: bedbug!

katymine @ 57

Mrs K8…. just came in from stacking up the patio furniture before I had to fish them out of the pool.

Have a good friend who lives in Brazil and it was quite a nasty political issue when Tobias insisted on the prostitution clause. It is one of the reasons that Brazil has been developing generic AIDS drugs…. They told Tobias and his Anti-AIDS funding to take a flying leap.

Another BushCo policy which leaves death and sadness in its wake.

[my bold]
Seems to be a fundy-mental requirement for every BushCo policy, doesn’t it?

Oklahoma kiddo @
12

Prostitution doesn’t bother me. It’s the family values fanatics who preach about the evils of it, and go to church on Sunday, and later that night or some other time they might very well be found soliciting that I can’t take. It’s the hypocrisy and the liars who are revolting. Not the prostitutes.

The sex part of prostitution doesn’t really bother me. The desperation of women (generally) whose lives have been destroyed by substance abuse (again, generally) to the point that they see no way out other than to turn tricks to survive – bothers me. I would imagine high price call girls have a short shelf life.

pwrlght @ 65

Elliott @ 62

So, did Madame give all her info to ABC?
anyone know why ABC?

ABC paid her for the records.

thanks!

punaise @
44

Wasn’t President Bush going to restore honor and integrity in Washington?

They have butchered everything. Stay tuned for a Bush speech fron the renamed Offal Office.

Developing story … in light of the upcoming list being trotted out by ABC, Bush will sign an executive order sanctioning adultery on Monday, April 30th, in the renamed “Oral Office”.
An excerpt from Bush’s speech, “… it was hard work, coming up with a new name for the place where I keep my sunburst rug. Someone suggested “Oval Orifice” but Karl Rove already had that one. heh heh “

ifthethunderdontgetya @
68

At least you aren’t one of them submarine sammich-ists, punaise.

“punaise on a roll” is Today’s Special… :~)

Guy was heard muttering- “If I’d tipped em more- I’d still be working”.

pwrlght @ 63

Is it evil of me to enjoy this? Please say no because I am really enjoying this.

My hope, Rove’s number is on the madame list! It would just make perfect sense.

I’m hoping for BigTime, Boehner & Blunt. Also Hastert.

TeddySanFran @ 66

Elliott @ 61

So, did Madame give all her info to ABC?
anyone know why ABC?

Don’t know, but it’s TalkingPointsMemo alumnus Justin Rood who is breaking this with Brian Ross.

Ahh. I was hoping TPM would get the records!

heh,
bedbug

AP – Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton denounced President Bush on Saturday for his “Mission Accomplished” speech and said his conduct of the Iraq war was “one of the darkest blots on leadership we’ve ever had.”

TeddySanFran @ 76

pwrlght @ 63

Is it evil of me to enjoy this? Please say no because I am really enjoying this.

My hope, Rove’s number is on the madame list! It would just make perfect sense.

I’m hoping for BigTime, Boehner & Blunt. Also Hastert.

Christ, now I have the image of those four naked. Thanks a lot, blech!

Zee @ 71

Oklahoma kiddo @
12

Prostitution doesn’t bother me. It’s the family values fanatics who preach about the evils of it, and go to church on Sunday, and later that night or some other time they might very well be found soliciting that I can’t take. It’s the hypocrisy and the liars who are revolting. Not the prostitutes.

The sex part of prostitution doesn’t really bother me. The desperation of women (generally) whose lives have been destroyed by substance abuse (again, generally) to the point that they see no way out other than to turn tricks to survive – bothers me. I would imagine high price call girls have a short shelf life.

Many are also survivors of child sexual abuse.

good one, Petrocelli

“Ask the FoXXX at the White House”

Ambassador Randall L. Tobias
United States Global AIDS Coordinator:

The U.S. is also partnering with communities to find solutions to such issues as sexual coercion and exploitation of women and girls, as well as fighting sex trafficking and prostitution, while still serving victims of these activities.

pwrlght @ 80

TeddySanFran @ 76

pwrlght @ 63

Is it evil of me to enjoy this? Please say no because I am really enjoying this.

My hope, Rove’s number is on the madame list! It would just make perfect sense.

I’m hoping for BigTime, Boehner & Blunt. Also Hastert.

Christ, now I have the image of those three naked. Thanks a lot, blech!

Hurry, think about puppies…apple pie…baby ducks…blue skies and fluffy clouds…

If this Administration comes tumbling down because of this scandal — and it might, depending on who’s on The Rolodex — the French will never, ever, ever stop laughing at us. Ever!

First Clinton, now this.

punaise @
82

good one, Petrocelli

I’m a slow starter … ;-)
It’s not delivery, it’s deliciosa

A Tale of Booty and the Beast

President Bush Names Randall Tobias to be Global AIDS Coordinator

President Bush: Randy is one of America’s most talented and respected executives. He was Vice Chairman of AT&T International and Chairman of ATT International, guiding the firm through immense organizational challenges. He went to head Eli Lilly and Company, one of our nation’s largest and most innovative pharmaceutical companies.

He is a highly regarded civic leader and philanthropist in his home state of Indiana. Throughout his career, Randy has shown the ability to manage complex organizations and to navigate government bureaucracies. He has earned a reputation as an executive of great energy, resourcefulness, good judgment and integrity.

As Global AIDS Coordinator, Randy will have the rank of Ambassador, and will report directly to Secretary of State Powell. He will coordinate all of our international HIV/AIDS activities for all of our government departments and agencies. He will oversee all resources of this program. And he will work with the faith-based and community groups to get the job done. He will report regularly to Congress on the progress and effectiveness of our efforts.

Randy Tobias has a mandate directly from me to get our AIDS initiative up and running as soon as possible. We’ll work quickly to get help to the people who need it most by purchasing low-cost, anti-retroviral medications and other drugs that are needed to save lives. We will set up a broad and efficient network to deliver drugs to the farthest reaches of Africa, even by motorcycle or bicycle.

Christ, now I have the image of those three naked. Thanks a lot, blech!

Zee @ 84

Hurry, think about puppies…apple pie…baby ducks…blue skies and fluffy clouds…

doesn’t work:

Cheney’s ‘taking care of’ the puppy and ducks
Hastert is stuffing his face with the pie
Boehner is working on his tan

TeddySanFran @ 85

If this Administration comes tumbling down because of this scandal — and it might, depending on who’s on The Rolodex — the French will never, ever, ever stop laughing at us. Ever!

First Clinton, now this.

Just the French, hmmm – I think more than the French are laughing at the US.

TeddySanFran @ 85

If this Administration comes tumbling down because of this scandal — and it might, depending on who’s on The Rolodex — the French will never, ever, ever stop laughing at us. Ever!

First Clinton, now this.

… zee franche haf nevvur stupped loffing att yew Ummericuns …

TeddySanFran @ 85

If this Administration comes tumbling down because of this scandal — and it might, depending on who’s on The Rolodex — the French will never, ever, ever stop laughing at us. Ever!

First Clinton, now this.

A Dubya Administration sex scandal? Someone alert Dave Broder…the White House his place has been trashed again. And it isn’t Dubya’s place!

punaise @ 88

Christ, now I have the image of those three naked. Thanks a lot, blech!

Zee @ 84

Hurry, think about puppies…apple pie…baby ducks…blue skies and fluffy clouds…

doesn’t work:

Cheney’s ‘taking care of’ the puppy and ducks
Hastert is stuffing his face with the pie
Boehner is working on his tan

Dang…that’s all I got.

He’s an AT&T former exec. What’s he know about that Co. colluding etc w/NSA wrt domestic surveillance?

Just something I’d want to know. Not drawing any conclusions, yet.

TeddySanFran @ 76

pwrlght @ 63

Is it evil of me to enjoy this? Please say no because I am really enjoying this.

My hope, Rove’s number is on the madame list! It would just make perfect sense.

I’m hoping for BigTime, Boehner & Blunt. Also Hastert.

Now you’re talking.

punaise @ 88

Christ, now I have the image of those three naked. Thanks a lot, blech!

Zee @ 84

Hurry, think about puppies…apple pie…baby ducks…blue skies and fluffy clouds…

doesn’t work:

Cheney’s ‘taking care of’ the puppy and ducks
Hastert is stuffing his face with the pie
Boehner is working on his tan

You’ll have to settle for a Chevrolet, then.

ifthethunderdontgetya @ 95

You’ll have to settle for a Chevrolet, then.

or a chevre au lait – some cult sacrifice thing involving goat in milk. right up their alley.

OT

Last night’s Bill Moyers Journal with Jon Stewart and Josh Marshall: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour…..watch.html

ENJOY!!!

Oklahoma kiddo @ 79

AP – Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton denounced President Bush on Saturday for his “Mission Accomplished” speech and said his conduct of the Iraq war was “one of the darkest blots on leadership we’ve ever had.”

Cool…hope she goes a bit further. Was that during the debate?

Republican talking point #69 … (did you get that one, punaise?)
“We were helping these girls discover the American Dream. Our men should be congratulated for their hard work and dedickation.”

Oh hypocricy,

thy name is neocon!

(massage… sheesh!)

Tobias was Condi’s Deputy. This abstinence-promoting policy goes back to her office. Therefore, it’s perfectly reasonable and correct for Congressional investigators to pose the following question to her:

“Secretary Rice, since it is the administration’s policy to promote abstinence globally, could you describe your own personal decisions and choices on abstinence?”

You know, since that’s the policy she’s been promoting world-wide.

Clusterfuck says:

“I don’t AVOID women Karl- but I deny them my essence”.

POE

PeterK @ 98

Oklahoma kiddo @ 79

AP – Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton denounced President Bush on Saturday for his “Mission Accomplished” speech and said his conduct of the Iraq war was “one of the darkest blots on leadership we’ve ever had.”

Cool…hope she goes a bit further. Was that during the debate?

Tuesday — likely the day The Veto-er gets out His Veto Pen — is the fourth anniversary of the Mission Accomplished flightsuit foolishness, according to Olbermann. I hope Dems hammer him for it. (Too much to hope TradMed will hammer him on their own)

When prostitution becomes illegal and punishable for both the giver, and the taker, things might change.

How many prostitutes who have accepted payment for services rendered went to jail, while those who paid for the services went scot free?

As things stand now, it is a travesty of justice.

So was Tobias in turn massaging the truth?

I hope Ken Starr’s name comes up on her list

Hugh @ 105

So was Tobias in turn massaging the truth?

I think it came to that

TeddySanFran @
14

Oklahoma kiddo @ 12

Prostitution doesn’t bother me. It’s the family values fanatics who preach about the evils of it, and go to church on Sunday, and later that night or some other time they might very well be found soliciting that I can’t take. It’s the hypocrisy and the liars who are revolting. Not the prostitutes.

Gotcha. Tobias was cutting off funding for community-based programs around the world that were successfully reaching sex workers, always a front line in HIV prevention. Requiring US-funded organizations to pledge “no-contact” with sex workers while patronizing them, even if for massages (wink, wink) seems to exceed hypocrisy. We need a new word.

A bit late to the thread due to dinner.

My $.02: The prostitutes are honest workers, along the preacher crowd.

Fern @ 81

You note that many prostitutes are victims of abuse. Yes, in fact it’s nearly 100%.

Abused people often feel they have no worth left, that sex is the only thing people want from them or value them for, and they view themselves the same way.

Breaks my heart.

Elliott @ 106

I hope Ken Starr’s name comes up on her list

Oh yes! — and Ted Olson, before 9/11, when his wife was still alive.

punaise @
59

come on: “Dusty Foggo”? call me name-ist, but how did someone with that moniker get a security clearance, much less rise to such a high position in the CIA? It’s better suited to a dimestore harlequin romance novel / airport bookshop thriller.

Who was his immediate predecessor as the CIA’s executive director? And when did his immediate predecessor become the CIA’s executive director?

A Tale of Booty and the Beast

Bwahahahaaa
Hell, I’m laughing harder than ever at these asshats, the French will have to get in line. “Tycoonitis” and “Bargoyle” are quite amusing also. *wiping tears*

TeddySanFran @ 110

Elliott @ 106

I hope Ken Starr’s name comes up on her list

Oh yes! — and Ted Olson, before 9/11, when his wife was still alive.

oh yeah

I’m coming in late too, but I just have to add that I’m laughing right along with everyone else. It’s just so….righteous! More Schadenfreude to soothe the soul!

rwcole @ 102

Clusterfuck says:

“I don’t AVOID women Karl- but I deny them my essence”.

POE

Oh come on now, they’re gettin’ busy at the ol’ White House every day!

dakine01 @
108

TeddySanFran @
14

Oklahoma kiddo @ 12

Prostitution doesn’t bother me. It’s the family values fanatics who preach about the evils of it, and go to church on Sunday, and later that night or some other time they might very well be found soliciting that I can’t take. It’s the hypocrisy and the liars who are revolting. Not the prostitutes.

Gotcha. Tobias was cutting off funding for community-based programs around the world that were successfully reaching sex workers, always a front line in HIV prevention. Requiring US-funded organizations to pledge “no-contact” with sex workers while patronizing them, even if for massages (wink, wink) seems to exceed hypocrisy. We need a new word.

A bit late to the thread due to dinner.

My $.02: The prostitutes are honest workers, along the preacher crowd.

The prostitutes are much more honest than the preachers … at least the prostitutes will readily admit that they are F**KING you for money !!!

punaise there’s always – mom apple pie and ole glory lol

actually i think of sex whenever i think about the “never ending war”.

i usually start with the Lysistrata project though.

http://www.lysistrataproject.com/

pwrlght @
65

Elliott @ 62

So, did Madame give all her info to ABC?
anyone know why ABC?

ABC paid her for the records.

don’t think so. After the uproar over her announcement of an auction, her lawyers came back and said she was giving to a news org.

juslin @ 117

juslin, did you say “gl*ry h*le” ? !

link:

Palfrey had threatened to sell phone records that would identify 10,000 clients to pay for her criminal defense, but a federal judge ordered her not to release them. However, she gave them to ABC News before the order took effect.

TheraP @
109

Fern @ 81

You note that many prostitutes are victims of abuse. Yes, in fact it’s nearly 100%.

Abused people often feel they have no worth left, that sex is the only thing people want from them or value them for, and they view themselves the same way.

Breaks my heart.

These people deserve better treatment and rehabiliation to be sure.
However, there are some from affluent families, who ‘hook’ for fun and thrills. Some of them were on Oprah a while back and when these names come out, there will be lots of embarrassment through the aristocracy.

Shouldn’t there be a deck of cards for these guys. Just like the one of Iraq’s most wanted?

Elliott @ 120

juslin, did you say “gl*ry h*le” ? !

“the saints go marching in”

Petrocelli @ 122

TheraP @
109

Fern @ 81

You note that many prostitutes are victims of abuse. Yes, in fact it’s nearly 100%.

Abused people often feel they have no worth left, that sex is the only thing people want from them or value them for, and they view themselves the same way.

Breaks my heart.

These people deserve better treatment and rehabiliation to be sure.
However, there are some from affluent families, who ‘hook’ for fun and thrills. Some of them were on Oprah a while back and when these names come out, there will be lots of embarrassment through the aristocracy.

You’re not assuming that because they come from the aristocracy, they have not been sexually abused, are you?

dakine01@119

Better ABC than Gonzo I suppose but gang – can we trust ABC to release all the clients name publicly, sooner than later?

Petrocelli @ 122

TheraP @
109

Fern @ 81

You note that many prostitutes are victims of abuse. Yes, in fact it’s nearly 100%.

Abused people often feel they have no worth left, that sex is the only thing people want from them or value them for, and they view themselves the same way.

Breaks my heart.

These people deserve better treatment and rehabiliation to be sure.
However, there are some from affluent families, who ‘hook’ for fun and thrills. Some of them were on Oprah a while back and when these names come out, there will be lots of embarrassment through the aristocracy.

I wouldn’t assume that being a member of the aristocracy means you were never abused.

punaise @ 121

link:

Palfrey had threatened to sell phone records that would identify 10,000 clients to pay for her criminal defense, but a federal judge ordered her not to release them. However, she gave them to ABC News before the order took effect.

thanks punaise

punaise @ 124

Elliott @ 120

juslin, did you say “gl*ry h*le” ? !

“the saints go marching in”

hee hee hee ;-)

Slothrop @
127

Petrocelli @ 122

TheraP @
109
These people deserve better treatment and rehabiliation to be sure.
However, there are some from affluent families, who ‘hook’ for fun and thrills. Some of them were on Oprah a while back and when these names come out, there will be lots of embarrassment through the aristocracy.

I wouldn’t assume that being a member of the aristocracy means you were never abused.

Which is why I stated, “… some from affluent families, who ‘hook’ for fun and thrills”. They clearly said on Oprah, that they did it for thrills and did not think it was wrong. None of them were abused.

newspaperbrat @ 126

dakine01@119

Better ABC than Gonzo I suppose but gang – can we trust ABC to release all the clients name publicly, sooner than later?

nah.

pwrlght @ 80

TeddySanFran @ 76

pwrlght @ 63

Is it evil of me to enjoy this? Please say no because I am really enjoying this.

My hope, Rove’s number is on the madame list! It would just make perfect sense.

I’m hoping for BigTime, Boehner & Blunt. Also Hastert.

Christ, now I have the image of those four naked. Thanks a lot, blech!

There just has to be group sex involved in this, n’est pas?

newspaperbrat @
126

dakine01@119

Better ABC than Gonzo I suppose but gang – can we trust ABC to release all the clients name publicly, sooner than later?

As a branch of Disney? Prol’ly not. But since folks know they have the names AND the provider is still kicking around, they may not have much choice.

and here we go “round and round”…….. ROFL!!1

Given the poor quality of information on condom use in government-sponsored abstinence education programs, perhaps Tobias was just doing some first hand investigative research.

(When asked about this report, the HHS spokesperson had the nerve to say “As a general statement, I do want to note that our abstinence programs have been, and will continue to be, medically accurate, teaching young people about the healthier choices they can make in life.”)

eCAHNomics @ 132

There just has to be group sex involved in this, n’est pas?

I hear tell Mrs. Bolton had problems with her husband’s group interests

pwrlght @
64

Is it evil of me to enjoy this? Please say no because I am really enjoying this.

My hope, Rove’s number is on the madame list! It would just make perfect sense.

My sense of Rove is that he would not be on this madam’s list. Remember how he recoiled to the touch of one of the most beautiful women in America, Cheryl Crow?

amazingthe many metaphors we can c*m up with……..

Shez @ 112

A Tale of Booty and the Beast

Bwahahahaaa
Hell, I’m laughing harder than ever at these asshats, the French will have to get in line. “Tycoonitis” and “Bargoyle” are quite amusing also. *wiping tears*

Shez, ‘do the stars’ have anything to do with all this that is unfolding?

Elliott @
137

eCAHNomics @ 132

There just has to be group sex involved in this, n’est pas?

I hear tell Mrs. Bolton had problems with her husband’s group interests

Dusty, Porter, and the Dukestir anyone?

Peterr @ 136

Given the poor quality of information on condom use in government-sponsored abstinence education programs, perhaps Tobias was just doing some first hand investigative research.

(When asked about this report, the HHS spokesperson had the nerve to say “As a general statement, I do want to note that our abstinence programs have been, and will continue to be, medically accurate, teaching young people about the healthier choices they can make in life.”)

So, can we all agree that the question we want asked…no DEMAND asked…at the next press conference on this topic is, “Did Deputy Secretary of State Randall L. Tobias use a condom?”

dreamcatcher @ 137

pwrlght @
64

Is it evil of me to enjoy this? Please say no because I am really enjoying this.

My hope, Rove’s number is on the madame list! It would just make perfect sense.

My sense of Rove is that he would not be on this madam’s list. Remember how he recoiled to the touch of one of the most beautiful women in America, Cheryl Crow?

He’s faithful to Jeffy.

My fundamental Q: Is there something in the contracts of high ranking W admin officials that sez they must hang around until they are totally humiliated before they resign?

Peterr @ 136

…

(When asked about this report, the HHS spokesperson had the nerve to say “As a general statement, I do want to note that our abstinence programs have been, and will continue to be, medically accurate, teaching young people about the healthier choices they can make in life.”)

that’d be laugh out loud funny —- if those programs weren’t killing people.

juslin @ 139

amazingthe many metaphors we can c*m up with……..

we’re just banging them out on the keyboard

Well there are few absainers who use condoms- those who do are being EXTREMELY careful and don’t need much training.

Elliott @ 145

Peterr @ 136

…

(When asked about this report, the HHS spokesperson had the nerve to say “As a general statement, I do want to note that our abstinence programs have been, and will continue to be, medically accurate, teaching young people about the healthier choices they can make in life.”)

that’d be laugh out loud funny —- if those programs weren’t killing people.

And if Tobias wasn’t in charge of AIDS funds, which often come with “no-condom” provisions attached. The AIDS epidemic in Africa is a nightmare, and BushCo has stood in the way of turning the tide against the disease.

ifthethunderdontgetya @ 142

Peterr @ 136

Given the poor quality of information on condom use in government-sponsored abstinence education programs, perhaps Tobias was just doing some first hand investigative research.

(When asked about this report, the HHS spokesperson had the nerve to say “As a general statement, I do want to note that our abstinence programs have been, and will continue to be, medically accurate, teaching young people about the healthier choices they can make in life.”)

So, can we all agree that the question we want asked…no DEMAND asked…at the next press conference on this topic is, “Did Deputy Secretary of State Randall L. Tobias use a condom?”

ABSOLUTELY! I want to hear that question asked and answered! If he’s going to have sex outside of marriage…

The abstainers don’t give kids good alternatives- like melons.

Another day in BushCo’s America…. and another 100 of our fine military have died in Iraq this month….. Thats progress for ya

eCAHNomics @
143

My fundamental Q: Is there something in the contracts of high ranking W admin officials that sez they must hang around until they are totally humiliated before they resign?

To answer in a slightly offbeat way, the sports writer/author, Dan Jenkins came up with the “10 stages of drunkeness” in one of his books. One of the later stages was “Invincible.” Another was “bulletproof.”

They cannot in any way imagine that anything untoward could happen to them.

Peterr @ 135

Given the poor quality of information on condom use in government-sponsored abstinence education programs, perhaps Tobias was just doing some first hand investigative research.

(When asked about this report, the HHS spokesperson had the nerve to say “As a general statement, I do want to note that our abstinence programs have been, and will continue to be, medically accurate, teaching young people about the healthier choices they can make in life.”)

They say abstinence makes the heart grow fonder.

Shock and Awe indeed, Teddy! So we’re going to have either shock and awe or jolt and resign all the live long day!

Elliott @
145

juslin @ 139

amazingthe many metaphors we can c*m up with……..

we’re just banging them out on the keyboard

Puts a new meaning to hired hand, doesn’t it ?

Send a carload of melons to the White House.

ooooooooooooooo dreamcatcher – good one
the lake is the BEST!!!!

eCAHNomics @ 143

My fundamental Q: Is there something in the contracts of high ranking W admin officials that sez they must hang around until they are totally humiliated before they resign?

Yes. See Libby, Irve.

The logic of keeping Gonzo around (”there’s absolutely no evidence of wrongdoing”) means that anyone who leaves when there’s just smoke is admitting wrongdoing. Only wrongdoers leave.

Evildoers hang on until they are unmasked.

rwcole @ 150

The abstainers don’t give kids good alternatives- like melons.

what would the girls do with a melon?

eCAHNomics @ 144

My fundamental Q: Is there something in the contracts of high ranking W admin officials that sez they must hang around until they are totally humiliated before they resign?

Oh, not at all. Rummy hung around until the entire GOP was humiliated on election day.

Virginia farmer enters melon in county fair that looks just like Karl Rove.

Peterr @ 160

eCAHNomics @ 144

My fundamental Q: Is there something in the contracts of high ranking W admin officials that sez they must hang around until they are totally humiliated before they resign?

Oh, not at all. Rummy hung around until the entire GOP was humiliated on election day.

Isn’t he still hanging around the Pentagon?

Loo Hoo @ 154

Shock and Awe indeed, Teddy! So we’re going to have either shock and awe or jolt and resign all the live long day!

LooHoo – your “…all the live long day” planted a tune in my ancient brain but can’t recall other lyrics or title – can ya help this old brat out?

juslin @
156

ooooooooooooooo dreamcatcher – good one
the lake is the BEST!!!!

Hey juslin, this is better than yoga ;-)

rwcole @ 161

Virginia farmer enters melon in county fair that looks just like Karl Rove.

that must have been one butt-ugly melon!

I’ve read that he paid the two Central American girls $300. That’s CAFTA for you! There’s a good story lurking in here for Lou Dobbs.

“I’ve been working on the railroad- all the livelong day”.

and the hand plays on……. him…. me – him…. me

newspaperbrat @ 163

Loo Hoo @ 154

Shock and Awe indeed, Teddy! So we’re going to have either shock and awe or jolt and resign all the live long day!

LooHoo – your “…all the live long day” planted a tune in my ancient brain but can’t recall other lyrics or title – can ya help this old brat out?

I’ve been working on the railroad

Elliott @
164

rwcole @ 161

Virginia farmer enters melon in county fair that looks just like Karl Rove.

that must have been one butt-ugly melon!

Quite large too, when it was cut open, Gannon fell out !

Lookie here, Colin Powell loves him some Harlan.

(Copyright (c) 2003 Los Angeles Times)

The Pentagon’s plan for Baghdad is expected to incorporate a military doctrine known as “shock and awe,” under which thousands of bombs and missiles, nearly one every minute, will streak down on the Iraqi capital.

The doctrine was fathered by Harlan Ullman, a veteran military strategist whose 1996 book, “Shock and Awe: Achieving Rapid Dominance,” recommends “nearly incomprehensible levels of massive destruction” to achieve an “overwhelming level of shock and awe against an adversary on an immediate or sufficiently timely basis to paralyze its will to carry on.” The book cites the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki as successful examples.

Ullman and his co-authors say massive bombing paralyzes the enemy’s will, rendering it “totally impotent and vulnerable.” Remarks by Gen. Richard B. Myers, the Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman — advocating a “short conflict” that would “shock the system” — suggest that this doctrine is part of the war planning.

The shock-and-awe doctrine is not new, according to the book: “One recalls, from old photographs and movie or television screens, the comatose and glazed expressions of survivors of the great bombardments of World War I and the attendant horrors and death of trench warfare.”

Indeed, the authors journey back to the Chinese warrior- philosopher Sun Tzu, whose “Art of War” provides a lesson from the 5th century BC: the beheading of two concubines who had laughed at Sun Tzu, which shocked and awed the other concubines into silent submission.

In extreme cases, Ullman says, the use of shock and awe seeks to impose “the nonnuclear equivalent” of Hiroshima: “nearly incomprehensible levels of massive destruction directed at influencing society writ large.”

These ideas strike some as Strangelovean. But Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, a student of Ullman’s at the National War College, calls Ullman “one of the best and most provocative minds I have ever encountered.” And Donald H. Rumsfeld, more than a year before he became Defense secretary, said on CNN that he supported Ullman’s shock-and-awe doctrine.

The United Nations foresees tens of thousands of Iraqi casualties, up to 1.3 million refugees and half the population being without access to potable water. Yet American officials expect the shocked and awed Iraqis, with their “comatose and glazed expressions,” to welcome American soldiers as liberators.

Petrocelli @ 170

Elliott @
164

rwcole @ 161

Virginia farmer enters melon in county fair that looks just like Karl Rove.

that must have been one butt-ugly melon!

Quite large too, when it was cut open, Gannon fell out !

HA!

rwcole @ 167

“I’ve been working on the railroad- all the livelong day”.

Thanks, you’re a gentleman and a scholar.

newspaperbrat @ 162

Loo Hoo @ 154

Shock and Awe indeed, Teddy! So we’re going to have either shock and awe or jolt and resign all the live long day!

LooHoo – your “…all the live long day” planted a tune in my ancient brain but can’t recall other lyrics or title – can ya help this old brat out?

‘I’ve been working on the railroad…..All the live long day……Blah blah…’

TeddySanFran @ 157

eCAHNomics @ 143

My fundamental Q: Is there something in the contracts of high ranking W admin officials that sez they must hang around until they are totally humiliated before they resign?

Yes. See Libby, Irve.

The logic of keeping Gonzo around (”there’s absolutely no evidence of wrongdoing”) means that anyone who leaves when there’s just smoke is admitting wrongdoing. Only wrongdoers leave.

Evildoers hang on until they are unmasked.

More likely it’s a way to protect others in the admin–KKKarl or maybe Dim Sun himself. So long as Gonzo says nothing and W supports him.

Peterr:

And if Tobias wasn’t in charge of AIDS funds, which often come with “no-condom” provisions attached. The AIDS epidemic in Africa is a nightmare, and BushCo has stood in the way of turning the tide against the disease.

To clarify: Uganda’s ABC program (Abstinence, Be Faithful, use Condoms) was working until BushCo’s program arrived and wouldn’t fund anything but abstinence-only programs. Uganda is now going backwards, losing ground against the disease it had made great strides against.

BushCo isn’t just standing in the way of turning the tide against the disease; BushCo is an active ally of AIDS.

lolo,

I’ve been so busy all month, for once I don’t even know what phase of the moon it is! I was thinking this morning I need to go check up on the good astro/political blogs to see what they have to say but I’ve been here laughing too hard. As soon as I can I’ll report back…

Elliott @ 168

I’ve been working on the railroad

“someone’s in the kitchen with Dinah Dana” (Perino)

Seymour Hirsch wrote soon after the Iraqi invasion that the Israelis had approached Cheney and told him “You have ALREADY LOST this war- it’s only a matter of how much humiliation you are willing to endure.”..Quite a lot apparently.

Loo Hoo @ 153

Shock and Awe indeed, Teddy! So we’re going to have either shock and awe or jolt and resign all the live long day!

Shockin’ Odd.

Lou Costello @ 97

OT

Last night’s Bill Moyers Journal with Jon Stewart and Josh Marshall: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour…..watch.html

ENJOY!!!

Thanks, just watched this, it is great! Moyers for President!–Or at least journalist in chief. If only we had 50 more like him in the MSM. Or even a few…

petrocelli@163
mmm right now it truly is – this is sooooo good for my inner man – i havent had a laugh like this in ….. whatever – tho i feel awful for our country to have to go thru this fuckery

“Someone’s in the kitchen with DINAHHHHH–pluckin on the ol banjo”

(That’s what they used ta call it)

TeddySanFran @ 176

Peterr:

And if Tobias wasn’t in charge of AIDS funds, which often come with “no-condom” provisions attached. The AIDS epidemic in Africa is a nightmare, and BushCo has stood in the way of turning the tide against the disease.

To clarify: Uganda’s ABC program (Abstinence, Be Faithful, use Condoms) was working until BushCo’s program arrived and wouldn’t fund anything but abstinence-only programs. Uganda is now going backwards, losing ground against the disease it had made great strides against.

BushCo isn’t just standing in the way of turning the tide against the disease; BushCo is an active ally of AIDS.

So who benefits from the spread of AIDS? There has to be a reason for these policies.

punaise @ 178

Elliott @ 168

I’ve been working on the railroad

“someone’s in the kitchen with Dinah Dana” (Perino)

I hope it wasn’t a drunken sailor, what can you do with a drunken sailor?

TeddySanFran @ 176

Peterr:

And if Tobias wasn’t in charge of AIDS funds, which often come with “no-condom” provisions attached. The AIDS epidemic in Africa is a nightmare, and BushCo has stood in the way of turning the tide against the disease.

To clarify: Uganda’s ABC program (Abstinence, Be Faithful, use Condoms) was working until BushCo’s program arrived and wouldn’t fund anything but abstinence-only programs. Uganda is now going backwards, losing ground against the disease it had made great strides against.

BushCo isn’t just standing in the way of turning the tide against the disease; BushCo is an active ally of AIDS.

Thanks for the clarification. I knew the basic outline, but couldn’t recall the specifics off the top of my head.

TeddySanFran @
175

Peterr:

And if Tobias wasn’t in charge of AIDS funds, which often come with “no-condom” provisions attached. The AIDS epidemic in Africa is a nightmare, and BushCo has stood in the way of turning the tide against the disease.

To clarify: Uganda’s ABC program (Abstinence, Be Faithful, use Condoms) was working until BushCo’s program arrived and wouldn’t fund anything but abstinence-only programs. Uganda is now going backwards, losing ground against the disease it had made great strides against.

BushCo isn’t just standing in the way of turning the tide against the disease; BushCo is an active ally of AIDS.

I’ll be serious for a moment … what would be the result of Bush’s abstinence programs? More people contract HIV/AIDS, so more people need HIV/AIDS medicines, which his buddies in Big Pharma are only too ready to supply.
Yes folks, every one of Bush’s buddies is singing the same tune, “Let the good times roll !”

Shez @ 176

lolo,

I’ve been so busy all month, for once I don’t even know what phase of the moon it is! I was thinking this morning I need to go check up on the good astro/political blogs to see what they have to say but I’ve been here laughing too hard. As soon as I can I’ll report back…

Shez I haven’t seen you around lately so I figured you were busy. I am curious I feel something coming. Like a big tsunami of outings. Lots of sunshine.

lolo

newspaperbrat @ 172

rwcole @ 167

“I’ve been working on the railroad- all the livelong day”.

Thanks, you’re a gentleman and a scholar.

Isn’t also “The eyes of Texas are upon you?” (irony abounds.)

Fern @ 183

TeddySanFran @ 176

Peterr:

And if Tobias wasn’t in charge of AIDS funds, which often come with “no-condom” provisions attached. The AIDS epidemic in Africa is a nightmare, and BushCo has stood in the way of turning the tide against the disease.

To clarify: Uganda’s ABC program (Abstinence, Be Faithful, use Condoms) was working until BushCo’s program arrived and wouldn’t fund anything but abstinence-only programs. Uganda is now going backwards, losing ground against the disease it had made great strides against.

BushCo isn’t just standing in the way of turning the tide against the disease; BushCo is an active ally of AIDS.

So who benefits from the spread of AIDS? There has to be a reason for these policies.

genocide

Fern @ 183

TeddySanFran @ 176

Peterr:

And if Tobias wasn’t in charge of AIDS funds, which often come with “no-condom” provisions attached. The AIDS epidemic in Africa is a nightmare, and BushCo has stood in the way of turning the tide against the disease.

To clarify: Uganda’s ABC program (Abstinence, Be Faithful, use Condoms) was working until BushCo’s program arrived and wouldn’t fund anything but abstinence-only programs. Uganda is now going backwards, losing ground against the disease it had made great strides against.

BushCo isn’t just standing in the way of turning the tide against the disease; BushCo is an active ally of AIDS.

So who benefits from the spread of AIDS? There has to be a reason for these policies.

Companies that make AIDS drugs. Which often are the same companies that donate to Republicans.

TeddySanFran @
179

Loo Hoo @ 153

Shock and Awe indeed, Teddy! So we’re going to have either shock and awe or jolt and resign all the live long day!

Shockin’ Odd.

I still say they’re just screwin’ up while tryin’ to quote St Ronnie when he said “Aw, Shucks!”

Fern @ 184

So who benefits from the spread of AIDS? There has to be a reason for these policies.

My guess is that keeping people sick & dying is a way of making sure they don’t make trouble for the empire.

“Put him in the White House until he’s sober
Put him in the White House until he’s sober
Put him in the White House until he’s sober- EARLIE in the MORNING>

PeterK @
180

Lou Costello @ 97

OT

Last night’s Bill Moyers Journal with Jon Stewart and Josh Marshall: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour…..watch.html

ENJOY!!!

Thanks, just watched this, it is great! Moyers for President!–Or at least journalist in chief. If only we had 50 more like him in the MSM. Or even a few…

Imagine having a press secretary like Bill Moyers. Oh wait, we did. Never mind.

Fern @ 184

So who benefits from the spread of AIDS? There has to be a reason for these policies.

for some, AIDS is a deserved retribution.

juslin @ 181

petrocelli@163
mmm right now it truly is – this is sooooo good for my inner man – i havent had a laugh like this in ….. whatever – tho i feel awful for our country to have to go thru this fuckery

America has been through much fuckery with Reagan & Bush 41 as well. It surprises all your allies, how short your memories are, and how well the politicians seems to know this.

Fern:

So who benefits from the spread of AIDS? There has to be a reason for these policies.

Big Pharma makes no money from AIDS treatment drugs if a condom is used and transmission is prevented. The HIV virus must be passed on for a newly infected person to need treatment. Tobias was the Chief Executive of Eli Lilly before Shrub appointed him to the job he resigned yesterday.

PeterK @ 180

Lou Costello @ 97

OT

Last night’s Bill Moyers Journal with Jon Stewart and Josh Marshall: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour…..watch.html

ENJOY!!!

Thanks, just watched this, it is great! Moyers for President!–Or at least journalist in chief. If only we had 50 more like him in the MSM. Or even a few…

For some perspective – Jon Stewart on NOW 7/11/03: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour…..t_vid.html

rwcole @ 182

“Someone’s in the kitchen with DINAHHHHH–pluckin on the ol banjo”

(That’s what they used ta call it)

“she’ll be comin’ round the mountain when she comes. Toot! Toot!…”

rwcole @ 194

“Put him in the White House until he’s sober
Put him in the White House until he’s sober
Put him in the White House until he’s sober- EARLIE in the MORNING>

after we shave his belly with a rusty razor!

“for some, AIDS is a deserved retribution. “

Yeah- but they’re not the ones who get it.

patriotboy @ 123

Shouldn’t there be a deck of cards for these guys. Just like the one of Iraq’s most wanted?

Excellent idea.

Perfect for playing 3 card full monty (but no playing Pok-’er please!)

punaise @ 199

rwcole @ 182

“Someone’s in the kitchen with DINAHHHHH–pluckin on the ol banjo”

(That’s what they used ta call it)

“she’ll be comin’ round the mountain when she comes. Toot! Toot!…”

Slight correction:
“she’ll be comin’ round the mountain when she HE comes. Toot! Toot!..

Elliott @ 196

Fern @ 184

So who benefits from the spread of AIDS? There has to be a reason for these policies.

for some, AIDS is a deserved retribution.

let me restate this:
in some people’s minds, AIDS is a deserved retribution.

hey whats for dinner

TeddySanFran @ 197

Fern:

So who benefits from the spread of AIDS? There has to be a reason for these policies.

Big Pharma makes no money from AIDS treatment drugs if a condom is used and transmission is prevented. The HIV virus must be passed on for a newly infected person to need treatment. Tobias was the Chief Executive of Eli Lilly before Shrub appointed him to the job he resigned yesterday.

That’s a horrible accusation. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but jesus, that would be the sickest thing ever.

“Comin round the mountain
driving six white horses
when she comes”

And a partridge in a pear tree.

TeddySanFran @ 197

Fern:

So who benefits from the spread of AIDS? There has to be a reason for these policies.

Big Pharma makes no money from AIDS treatment drugs if a condom is used and transmission is prevented. The HIV virus must be passed on for a newly infected person to need treatment. Tobias was the Chief Executive of Eli Lilly before Shrub appointed him to the job he resigned yesterday.

They have to recoup all the money they have spent advertising hard on pills invested in developing treatments for HIV.

There is a strange editorial up at the NYT.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04…..9sun1.html

It decries the lack of oversight during the Republican controlled Congress and applauds all the new Democratic oversight. The part I find strange is that the NYT never mentions its own role in promoting much of the Bush agenda or its lack of investigation into the myriad scandals and disasters that festered under the noses of its reporters and those of the rest of the media.

This seems to be the new meme. Russert on the Moyers documentary mentioned it too. You see the media couldn’t look at any of this until the Democrats did. Apparently they couldn’t do their jobs until someone told them it was allowed.

lolo @ 205

hey whats for dinner

for self I pan-broiled a NY strip, corn on the cob and mixed fresh fruit salad.

Blank Kludge @
93

He’s an AT&T former exec. What’s he know about that Co. colluding etc w/NSA wrt domestic surveillance?

Just something I’d want to know. Not drawing any conclusions, yet.

Nada. He was long gone from AT&T to Lilly long before any of that stuff started. Tobias was my “boss” (about five levels up the org chart) when I worked at AT&T between college and law school, almost 30 years ago. Had a rep for being pretty nice but incredibly demanding.

Lilly’s not a great corporate citizen, either. It was one of the first companies to start hollowing out the U.S. corporate income tax base, way back in the 1960s, when it transferred the patents covering Darvon to a manufacturing subsidiary in Puerto Rico and started treating substantially all of the income from Darvon sales as having been earned outside the U.S.

TeddySanFran @ 198

Fern:

So who benefits from the spread of AIDS? There has to be a reason for these policies.

Big Pharma makes no money from AIDS treatment drugs if a condom is used and transmission is prevented. The HIV virus must be passed on for a newly infected person to need treatment. Tobias was the Chief Executive of Eli Lilly before Shrub appointed him to the job he resigned yesterday.

Teddy – any idea if he is still on the ATT Board – think someone mentioned such an affiliation early upthread.

Urban Pirate @ 207

TeddySanFran @ 197

Fern:

So who benefits from the spread of AIDS? There has to be a reason for these policies.

Big Pharma makes no money from AIDS treatment drugs if a condom is used and transmission is prevented. The HIV virus must be passed on for a newly infected person to need treatment. Tobias was the Chief Executive of Eli Lilly before Shrub appointed him to the job he resigned yesterday.

That’s a horrible accusation. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but jesus, that would be the sickest thing ever.

AIDS is almost completely preventable with condom use. Everyone know that. Draw your own conclusions.

dakine01 @ 204

punaise @ 199
rwcole @ 182

“Someone’s in the kitchen with DINAHHHHH–pluckin on the ol banjo”

(That’s what they used ta call it)

“she’ll be comin’ round the mountain when she comes. Toot! Toot!…”

Slight correction:
“she’ll be comin’ round the mountain when she HE comes. Toot! Toot!..

you are sooo bad

Elliott @
195

Fern @ 184

So who benefits from the spread of AIDS? There has to be a reason for these policies.

for some, AIDS is a deserved retribution.

Could you please elaborate on who deserves AIDS, … as retribution for what, etc?

PeteCO @ 209

TeddySanFran @ 197

Fern:

So who benefits from the spread of AIDS? There has to be a reason for these policies.

Big Pharma makes no money from AIDS treatment drugs if a condom is used and transmission is prevented. The HIV virus must be passed on for a newly infected person to need treatment. Tobias was the Chief Executive of Eli Lilly before Shrub appointed him to the job he resigned yesterday.

They have to recoup all the money they have spent advertising hard on pills invested in developing treatments for HIV.

But surely there are enough people already sick to provide an enormous market?

Elliot @ 214 says

you are sooo bad

Well, I’m trying. And sometimes I’m very trying but that’s another story.

buh-dap-bump.

Hugh @ 210

There is a strange editorial up at the NYT.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04…..9sun1.html

It decries the lack of oversight during the Republican controlled Congress and applauds all the new Democratic oversight. The part I find strange is that the NYT never mentions its own role in promoting much of the Bush agenda or its lack of investigation into the myriad scandals and disasters that festered under the noses of its reporters and those of the rest of the media.

This seems to be the new meme. Russert on the Moyers documentary mentioned it too. You see the media couldn’t look at any of this until the Democrats did. Apparently they couldn’t do their jobs until someone told them it was allowed.

Material for more Congressional oversight, when they get done with the admin: how the press helped lie us into war. Would love to see some publishers an producers on the stand, under oath.

dakine01 @ 211

lolo @ 205

hey whats for dinner

for self I pan-broiled a NY strip, corn on the cob and mixed fresh fruit salad.

ooo tasty!
remember back when corn on the cob was only available at the end of the summer, it tasted extra sweet then.

Too many in the government’s AIDS policymaking positions still view AIDS as a punishment for sin: “It’s a disease that hits gays, prostitutes, and fornicators of all kinds.”

This is not to say Big Pharma isn’t interested in this issue, but the ones driving the policy bus are the TheoCons, and they’re driving it right over a cliff.

The whirlwind from that policy is going to be one helluva storm. Career folks at the State Dept, CDC, and elsewhere understand this (as do many NGOs of the non-TheoCon variety), and they all shudder when they look at the mess the political appointees are creating.

TeddySanFran @
197

Fern:

So who benefits from the spread of AIDS? There has to be a reason for these policies.

Big Pharma makes no money from AIDS treatment drugs if a condom is used and transmission is prevented. The HIV virus must be passed on for a newly infected person to need treatment. Tobias was the Chief Executive of Eli Lilly before Shrub appointed him to the job he resigned yesterday.

Hey TSF, see my comments @186.
…sniff … I’m one with you, spiritually … and it only took 5 Scotches … sniff … I love you, man …

Abstinence makes the heart grow fodder, Dreamcatcher.

dakine01 @ 210

lolo @ 205

hey whats for dinner

for self I pan-broiled a NY strip, corn on the cob and mixed fresh fruit salad.

yum, I had wholewheatw/flax fettuccine with chicken and basil and olive oil. Oh and a braeburn apple.

eCAHNomics @ 218

Hugh @ 210

There is a strange editorial up at the NYT.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04…..9sun1.html

It decries the lack of oversight during the Republican controlled Congress and applauds all the new Democratic oversight. The part I find strange is that the NYT never mentions its own role in promoting much of the Bush agenda or its lack of investigation into the myriad scandals and disasters that festered under the noses of its reporters and those of the rest of the media.

This seems to be the new meme. Russert on the Moyers documentary mentioned it too. You see the media couldn’t look at any of this until the Democrats did. Apparently they couldn’t do their jobs until someone told them it was allowed.

Material for more Congressional oversight, when they get done with the admin: how the press helped lie us into war. Would love to see some publishers an producers on the stand, under oath.

The only problem with that is how it would be under a democratic administration when the corporate owned media re-discovers their jounalistic integrity.

Elliott @ 204

Elliott @ 196

Fern @ 184

So who benefits from the spread of AIDS? There has to be a reason for these policies.

for some, AIDS is a deserved retribution.

let me restate this:
in some people’s minds, AIDS is a deserved retribution.

Thanks for clearing that up, bro, I almost got sober with that first comment.

NINE (9) Servicemen killed in Iraq since Friday, 7 army and 2 marines.

HECKAVA JOB GEORGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dakine01 @ 217

Well, I’m trying. And sometimes I’m very trying but that’s another story.

buh-dap-bump.

“Thanks folks, he’ll be here all week.

hey whats for dinner

Try the veal.”

Fern @ 216

PeteCO @ 209

TeddySanFran @ 197

Fern:

So who benefits from the spread of AIDS? There has to be a reason for these policies.

Big Pharma makes no money from AIDS treatment drugs if a condom is used and transmission is prevented. The HIV virus must be passed on for a newly infected person to need treatment. Tobias was the Chief Executive of Eli Lilly before Shrub appointed him to the job he resigned yesterday.

They have to recoup all the money they have spent advertising hard on pills invested in developing treatments for HIV.

But surely there are enough people already sick to provide an enormous market?

Which is actually the bit I don’t get. The “market” (sick, but that’s how they see it) is predominantly in the third world, which can’t afford these drugs. Unless you loaned poor countries money to pay for them……

Yes, that’s cynical, but these days who knows?

Dinner?

Well I killed the old red rooster.

TSF@197
i believe you’re right – these fuckers only think in terms of they can be paid and stay paid – him resigning just paves the way to profit even more…..

UP:
Which is the more horrible accusation — that they are actively promoting genocide or that a corporation is acting to maximize profits? Considering that corporations are designed to maximize profits, and that they live for that purpose, accusing them of acting to maximize profits is accusing them of acting on their Prime Purpose.

I’m not saying the corporations want people to get AIDS and die. I’m saying people who get AIDS require treatment, which they sell. And which enables those with AIDS to live long lives, dependent upon regular, lifelong supplies of their medicine.

Given the choice between supplying a single condom and supplying a lifelong supply of livesaving AIDS medicine, a corporation would be foolish to want to provide the former. And if that corporation’s former leader can work for the government and wrap the policy in a Fundie Flag about Abstinence rather than the evil and mistrusted profit motive, so much the better.

Petrocelli @ 216

Elliott @
195

Fern @ 184

So who benefits from the spread of AIDS? There has to be a reason for these policies.

for some, AIDS is a deserved retribution.

Could you please elaborate on who deserves AIDS, … as retribution for what, etc?

Sorry, what I was trying to say was that some fundies think people who get AIDS are getting what they deserve for their sinful behavior. It’s what God wanted, it’s God’s plan.
NO ONE deserves to get AIDS, not even Tobias.

punaise @ 228

dakine01 @ 217

Well, I’m trying. And sometimes I’m very trying but that’s another story.

buh-dap-bump.

“Thanks folks, he’ll be here all week.

hey whats for dinner

Try the veal.”

I believe Guitar_Playing_Bastard said something this morning about slow-smoked beef brisket cooking all day over at his place in SillyValley . . .

dakine01 @ 225

The only problem with that is how it would be under a democratic administration when the corporate owned media re-discovers their jounalistic integrity.

You have the vast right-wing conspiracy under a D admin anyhow. Can you imagine how PO’d they’re going to be if they lose everything in 08? You can’t imagine the venom & bile they’ll be spewing.

Josh Marshall (TPM) on Bill Moyers last night. Background highlighting the USa/agAG story.
EXCELLENT: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour…..atch2.html

Loo Hoo @ 223

Abstinence makes the heart grow fodder, Dreamcatcher.

that’s a good one!

Peterr @ 233 says:

I believe Guitar_Playing_Bastard said something this morning about slow-smoked beef brisket cooking all day over at his place in SillyValley . . .

That he did along with a rack of ribs for tonight. The brisket was for sandwiches for the week – would take too long to get right and have for dinner tonight IIRC.

punaise @
227

dakine01 @ 217

Well, I’m trying. And sometimes I’m very trying but that’s another story.

buh-dap-bump.

“Thanks folks, he’ll be here all week.

hey whats for dinner

Try the veal.”

Sausage and dumplings, why do you ask?

burnspbesq – thanks for the AT&T info.

Elliott @ 184

punaise @ 178

Elliott @ 168

I’ve been working on the railroad

“someone’s in the kitchen with Dinah Dana” (Perino)

I hope it wasn’t a drunken sailor, what can you do with a drunken sailor?

Fe Fi Fiddily I O

Give a Texan a fifty gallon oil drum and a tree and he can smoke half a herd.

eCAHNomics @ 234

dakine01 @ 225

The only problem with that is how it would be under a democratic administration when the corporate owned media re-discovers their jounalistic integrity.

You have the vast right-wing conspiracy under a D admin anyhow. Can you imagine how PO’d they’re going to be if they lose everything in 08? You can’t imagine the venom & bile they’ll be spewing.

Agreed. Imagine how much it would expand if they actually got called to the principal’s office to account for their complicity before then. I just don’t want to push them into being even worse than they will be already. I think avoiding stirring up the hornet’s nest is the imagery I’m going for.

Peterr @ 234

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I believe Guitar_Playing_Bastard said something this morning about slow-smoked beef brisket cooking all day over at his place in SillyValley . . .

yummmm fall-apart beef!
I’m home alone tonight, so it’s grilled cheese and chocolate milk.

Let goopers investigate a bank an the money will disappear by Monday.

Let dems investigate a sex operation and the profits will disappear by monday.

Lou Costello @ 235

Josh Marshall (TPM) on Bill Moyers last night. Background highlighting the USa/agAG story.
EXCELLENT: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour…..atch2.html

I agree Lou, I watched this last night. Both Jon S. and Josh M. did an outstanding job. It’s not to be missed.

Peterr @
220

Too many in the government’s AIDS policymaking positions still view AIDS as a punishment for sin: “It’s a disease that hits gays, prostitutes, and fornicators of all kinds.”

This is not to say Big Pharma isn’t interested in this issue, but the ones driving the policy bus are the TheoCons, and they’re driving it right over a cliff.

The whirlwind from that policy is going to be one helluva storm. Career folks at the State Dept, CDC, and elsewhere understand this (as do many NGOs of the non-TheoCon variety), and they all shudder when they look at the mess the political appointees are creating.

Peterr, this goes back a ways.

LS @ 226

NINE (9) Servicemen killed in Iraq since Friday, 7 army and 2 marines.

HECKAVA JOB GEORGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

does anyone know the count for teh Bl*ckw*t*r?
(what an awful question but someone has to ask it)

Lou Costello @
198

PeterK @ 180

Lou Costello @ 97

OT

Last night’s Bill Moyers Journal with Jon Stewart and Josh Marshall:

link

ENJOY!!!

Thanks, just watched this, it is great! Moyers for President!–Or at least journalist in chief. If only we had 50 more like him in the MSM. Or even a few…

For some perspective – Jon Stewart on NOW 7/11/03: link

Thanx, I’ll watch that one when I have a few…

evening Firedogs! how y’all doin’

let’s remember two years ago when this same gang refused to sign a UN Convention on human trafficking as it sanctioned Kuwait and Saudi Arabia – citing both for sexual slavery including the enslavement of children

so I guess it’s only the paid sex workers who are “inherently harmful and dehumanizing”

ifthethunderdontgetya @ 247

Peterr @
220

Too many in the government’s AIDS policymaking positions still view AIDS as a punishment for sin: “It’s a disease that hits gays, prostitutes, and fornicators of all kinds.”

This is not to say Big Pharma isn’t interested in this issue, but the ones driving the policy bus are the TheoCons, and they’re driving it right over a cliff.

The whirlwind from that policy is going to be one helluva storm. Career folks at the State Dept, CDC, and elsewhere understand this (as do many NGOs of the non-TheoCon variety), and they all shudder when they look at the mess the political appointees are creating.

Peterr, this goes back a ways.

Oh yeah — and contrary to the opinion of many, it didn’t disappear when Reagan left office.

lolo @ 205

hey whats for dinner

Hi lolo! Steak and scalloped cheesy potatoes and salad.

LS @ 226

NINE (9) Servicemen killed in Iraq since Friday, 7 army and 2 marines.

HECKAVA JOB GEORGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I spent a couple of hours this afternoon participating in the A28 action.

http://network.a28.org/

With about 30 other people I stood at two of the busiest intersections in downtown Denver,holding signs, and got honked at. Repeatedly. By people of all ethnicities and economic classes. If anyone tells me there is no appetite in this country for impeachment, I call bullshit. The response was overwhelmingly positive.

Interestingly, the two locations were picked in part for their proximity to local tv stations and newspapers. No representatives of the media were there.

Go figure.

Shez @ 245

Lou Costello @ 235

Josh Marshall (TPM) on Bill Moyers last night. Background highlighting the USa/agAG story.
EXCELLENT: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour…..atch2.html

I agree Lou, I watched this last night. Both Jon S. and Josh M. did an outstanding job. It’s not to be missed.

Bookmark it! Use the transcript. MOYERS RULES!

BTW: Who ’slipped’ the provision into the PatAct that lets GWB/agAG appoint these USAs?

Teddy — great thread!

Now, it’s off to dinner here, too: burgers on the grill.

Bruce has started posting a roundup of the Take Back the Blog posts from today.

Peterr @ 220

Too many in the government’s AIDS policymaking positions still view AIDS as a punishment for sin: “It’s a disease that hits gays, prostitutes, and fornicators of all kinds.”

This is not to say Big Pharma isn’t interested in this issue, but the ones driving the policy bus are the TheoCons, and they’re driving it right over a cliff.

The whirlwind from that policy is going to be one helluva storm. Career folks at the State Dept, CDC, and elsewhere understand this (as do many NGOs of the non-TheoCon variety), and they all shudder when they look at the mess the political appointees are creating.

Claude Allen, he of Target-shoplifting fame, implemented HHS’s domestic terrorism of community-based AIDS/HIV prevention organizations, under Tommy Thompson’s leadership. Efforts to combat AIDS-fatigue; the new face of HIV; HIV as a “manageable” and therefore not-to-be-feared disease; and AIDS-as-a-Southern-African-American-womens-disease — these were all underway when BushCo attained power.

Immediately after BushCo’s installation, these efforts were challenged, and local organizations and health departments were subject to painfully expensive and timeconsuming audits without basis. The “second wave” of post-protease HIV infections which bloomed in this century is almost totally due to BushCo having distracted small agencies nationwide who were successful in communicating to hard-to-reach populations newly showing HIV clusters. HIV has morphed into the disease it is now in America due to active intervention by BushCo in agencies with policies and programs that were working.

This was justified at the time by saying that all programs needed an Abstinence component, a useless token for sexually active adults. Now, of course, we know that Abstinence-only programs fail America’s children as well.

BTW: Who ’slipped’ the provision into the PatAct that lets GWB/agAG appoint these USAs?

ooh, ooh, pick me ! pick me !

current USA Utah Brad Toleman while working for Specter and Hatch as a committee staffer – the language itself is said to come from Moschella

oven-crisped pollenta with grilled boneless chicken breast, marinated in Trader Joe’s Soy Vey.

Zesty teriyaki sauce with pineapple, ginger, garlic, and sesame seeds. Marinade, finishing sauce, or dipping sauce. Wonderful and zesty… Great for doing just about any grilling or panfrying of everything from meat and fish to vegetables….

TeddySanFran @ 231

UP:
Which is the more horrible accusation — that they are actively promoting genocide or that a corporation is acting to maximize profits? Considering that corporations are designed to maximize profits, and that they live for that purpose, accusing them of acting to maximize profits is accusing them of acting on their Prime Purpose.

I’m not saying the corporations want people to get AIDS and die. I’m saying people who get AIDS require treatment, which they sell. And which enables those with AIDS to live long lives, dependent upon regular, lifelong supplies of their medicine.

Given the choice between supplying a single condom and supplying a lifelong supply of livesaving AIDS medicine, a corporation would be foolish to want to provide the former. And if that corporation’s former leader can work for the government and wrap the policy in a Fundie Flag about Abstinence rather than the evil and mistrusted profit motive, so much the better.

What evil monster planned this whole thing out. Or was it a group of ghouls?

Lou Costello @ Shez @ 245
Lou Costello @ 235
Josh Marshall (TPM) on Bill Moyers last night. Background highlighting the USa/agAG story.
EXCELLENT: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour…..atch2.html

I agree Lou, I watched this last night. Both Jon S. and Josh M. did an outstanding job. It’s not to be missed.

Bookmark it! Use the transcript. MOYERS RULES!

BTW: Who ’slipped’ the provision into the PatAct that lets GWB/agAG appoint these USAs?

A couple of folks involved O’Neil as staffer of Arlen Specter and Sampson of DOJ ilk. Both of them have been through George Mason University and are Orins hatchlings.

Well hell- there’s plenty a money in condoms too- but ya need to sell em to “heavy users. Give me a billion or so heavy users and Bush as the procurer- and I could make a fair profit in the condom market. He don’t negotiate so good.

PeteCO @
252

LS @ 226

NINE (9) Servicemen killed in Iraq since Friday, 7 army and 2 marines.

HECKAVA JOB GEORGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I spent a couple of hours this afternoon participating in the A28 action.

http://network.a28.org/

With about 30 other people I stood at two of the busiest intersections in downtown Denver,holding signs, and got honked at. Repeatedly. By people of all ethnicities and economic classes. If anyone tells me there is no appetite in this country for impeachment, I call bullshit. The response was overwhelmingly positive.

Interestingly, the two locations were picked in part for their proximity to local tv stations and newspapers. No representatives of the media were there.

Go figure.

Time to followup with a letter to the editor, Pete. Tell today’s story, and ask them to poll on impeachment!

cbl @ 257

BTW: Who ’slipped’ the provision into the PatAct that lets GWB/agAG appoint these USAs?

ooh, ooh, pick me ! pick me !

current USA Utah Brad Toleman while working for Specter and Hatch as a committee staffer – the language itself is said to come from Moschella

Eureka Springs says

A couple of folks involved O’Neil as staffer of Arlen Specter and Sampson of DOJ ilk. Both of them have been through George Mason University and are Orins hatchlings.

Well what a nice little crowd. THX for the info. Any links? I’m just that kinda guy.

Peterr @
254

Teddy — great thread!

Now, it’s off to dinner here, too: burgers on the grill.

Thank you all for the wonderful discussion — Phoenix Woman is upstairs!

Teddy – thanks for a great afternoon post and comments!

bushco couldn’t care less about the dead and wounded on both sides in this war – just keep sending more and more to prove how resolute he is by golly – at this point he’s throwing a HUGE temper tantrum at the country’s expense – IMPEACH NOW!!!!

great post TSF!!! props to the lake all day ;o}

newspaperbrat @ 265

Teddy – thanks for a great afternoon post and comments!

Thanks to everybody who tuned in; maybe this will become a regular Saturday feature, if ABC’s 20/20 sticks to their schedule?

Patriot hatchlings links

TPM

Salon

Some of us have switched to the new thread.

Lou Costello — TPM-Muckraker has owned this story since they broke it. You might want to start there to find out more, and don’t miss emptywheel (Marcy T. Wheeler) at The Next Hurrah.

Eureka Springs @ 269

Patriot hatchlings links

TPM

Salon

TeddySanFran @ 271

Lou Costello — TPM-Muckraker has owned this story since they broke it. You might want to start there to find out more, and don’t miss emptywheel (Marcy T. Wheeler) at The Next Hurrah.

Thank you all. Now I’ve got some ‘homework’. *wink

What an affront to Madam comparing/implicating her in this sordid affair! [pun intended]
I’ve met Madam and she is not the type to kiss and tell.
She would just tell.
boy would she tell…

If anyone is still exploring the DC Madame, I posted something over in the new thread on why a Federal judge enjoined our Madame from releasing her client records.

Mrs. Tobias, care to tell us anything you know?

It might not be such a long shot that John Boehner’s name might come up in conjunction with the DC Madame. He’s known for that “secret” kind of behavior in Ohio. So why not DC where he’s even farther from the wife and family?

Well at least this wasn’t about male teenaged prostitutes. Right?

RIGHT?

Now we know why he was the AT&T VICE Chairman.

punaise @
121

link:

Palfrey had threatened to sell phone records that would identify 10,000 clients to pay for her criminal defense, but a federal judge ordered her not to release them. However, she gave them to ABC News before the order took effect.

10,000 ???

Holy cow!

Blank Kludge @
93

He’s an AT&T former exec. What’s he know about that Co. colluding etc w/NSA wrt domestic surveillance?

Just something I’d want to know. Not drawing any conclusions, yet.

And how ironic.. a former AT&T exec. who may have beein instrumental in facilitating the eavesdropping on untold numbers of innocent Americans is brought down by a cell phone bill.

Mwahahahahah!

Also, o/t, saw Bloch interviewed on CSPAN yesterday. He says he and only he has jurisdiction to investigate Hatch Act violations.

Also says political considerations had no role in his being appointed to his position. Oh and that that WH counsel Fielding is being very cooperative in the investigation.

Yep he’s our guy to restore law and order.

I’m sure Rove is just trembling knowing that Bloch is on his trail.

Guess I should have been posting my nuggest over here.

I unloaded several in the next thread. Gotta stop now.

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George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are “inherently harmful and dehumanizing,” but socio/psychopaths tend to be.

Mrs. K8 @ 34

In this guy’s case it’s not JUST the hypocrisy –

it’s the hypocrisy that leads to the death of others!

Their sanctimony prevents humanitarian health groups from saving innumerable lives.

[God is not amused.

As a child I was frightened of the whole notion of Judgement Day. Not any more. My personal belief (which I do NOT push on others) in a Final Justice is a great, great comfort to me.

And at the same time I believe just as strongly, if not more so, that it is the duty of every human being, regardless of faith or lack thereof, to strive for the best human embodiment of Justice in THIS LIFE as is possible.]

For some decades more and more theologians (the kind who actually try to make some kind of sense of the ancient documents about faith) have speculated that “hell” isn’t external, but internal, a matter of conscience that, unlike here, cannot be denied or avoided in the “afterlife”. Even a major catholic encyclical came out during the John Paul II era along this line. (disclaimer: my dad was/is such a theologian, altho not catholic. I am a “functional atheist” which to me means militant agnosticism (*i* don’t understand god and *neither do you*!)) My dad even had a saying he’d use in counciling people, “Hell may simply result from being in Heaven and not able to enjoy yourself!” Curiously enough, this almost *exactly* matches the actual text of the account of the rich man and lazarus parable. Hmmmm.

MarkH @ 279

punaise @
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link:

Palfrey had threatened to sell phone records that would identify 10,000 clients to pay for her criminal defense, but a federal judge ordered her not to release them. However, she gave them to ABC News before the order took effect.

10,000 ???

Holy cow!

dr. freud, line one. sex 1, any other motivation (common sense, self preservation, etc.) 0

Prof @ 274

If anyone is still exploring the DC Madame, I posted something over in the new thread on why a Federal judge enjoined our Madame from releasing her client records.

IIRC, she simply “gave” them to ABC just before that order came down. The court told abc to give them back and they did, BUT they made copies. the journalist in question is a lower tier one, but is essentially saying, “confidential sources, KMA!”. And rather than have a messy court action to try and get them back (since they are aleady in the wild as it were) which risks abc simply mass emailing them to every journo in town, the bushies have said nada.