Sweet Jane!!

Zed!!

Teddy!!

Home run!!

hey, JK’sC — how you doin?

Good thanks. Any idea on when we might hear of more fall out TeddySanFran @
5

hey, JK’sC — how you doin?

Any idea if there is more fallout coming? Does anyone think this guy is the only Bush Admin. official to use the service?

Teddy!

Oh, yeah, that’s it, that’s the ticket…

Tobias was engaged in a sex worker outreach program.

Ri-i-ight.

This kind of scandal could get ugly for both parties. Fingers crossed here.

Hey Teddy - did you see this last thread?

TheOtherWA @
116

A few hours ago, ABC radio news reported that not only the clients of the DC Madam were being looked at, but so were the employees. They claimed some were women with important jobs in DC.

This could get really interesting, if it’s true.

Joe Klein’s conscience @
6

Good thanks. Any idea on when we might hear of more fall out TeddySanFran @
5

hey, JK’sC — how you doin?

Any idea if there is more fallout coming? Does anyone think this guy is the only Bush Admin. official to use the service?

Surely there must be some Dems in her Rolodex too… I mean, is there any reason to hope that this thing is going to hurt only Repugs?

Prostitution doesn’t bother me. It’s the family values fanatics who preach about the evils of it, and go to church on Sunday, and later that night or some other time they might very well be found soliciting that I can’t take. It’s the hypocrisy and the liars who are revolting. Not the prostitutes.

Heidi Fleiss Goes to Washington. What fun! I’d suspect many other fish to be hauled up in the Rolodex net…perhaps both parties, perhaps both sexes.

Thanks for the great post, TeddySanFran.
(Love Waylan & Madame, BTW)

Oklahoma kiddo @ 12

Prostitution doesn’t bother me. It’s the family values fanatics who preach about the evils of it, and go to church on Sunday, and later that night or some other time they might very well be found soliciting that I can’t take. It’s the hypocrisy and the liars who are revolting. Not the prostitutes.

Gotcha. Tobias was cutting off funding for community-based programs around the world that were successfully reaching sex workers, always a front line in HIV prevention. Requiring US-funded organizations to pledge “no-contact” with sex workers while patronizing them, even if for massages (wink, wink) seems to exceed hypocrisy. We need a new word.

lolo!

Hi, just came in.

My scandals list is up to 163. Selise just updated it. It’s here:

http://www.netrootsmass.net/Hugh/Bush_list.html
And my 162:

162. Randall Tobias, US Director of Foreign Assistance and head of US Agency for International Development (USAID) with the rank of Deputy Secretary of State since March 29, 2006. Before this he was our first Global AIDS Coordinator (October 2003) where he criticized condom use and promoted abstinence only programs. As Director of Foreign Assistance, he continued to oversee the Global AIDS program. He resigned April 27, 2007 after it came out that he had been named as using a Washington escort service. I am not a prude about these things but I do see a problem between his personal activities and his public positions.

Just a drive-by comment: just what did these, uh, professional health care specialists, massage? His prostate?
Are we seeing the first administration heavily influenced by V**gra? Could that explain the excessive bellicosity (if your e****** lasts longer than 4 hours, call up the National Guard).
Oh yeah, MoDo as Joe Lieberman of pundits (thanks TPM). Heh.
Sending mental positrons to Jane.
Back to lurk mode, Hypatia

(Mod Note: Edited to allow to pass through spam filters which include prescription name drugs)

Suzanne @ 10

Hey Teddy - did you see this last thread?

TheOtherWA @
116

A few hours ago, ABC radio news reported that not only the clients of the DC Madam were being looked at, but so were the employees. They claimed some were women with important jobs in DC.

This could get really interesting, if it’s true.

This is sounding more and more like that storyline in West Wing where the character played by Rob Lowe dates one of these high-priced professionals. Did the WW team know a LOT about life inside the Beltway?

again i repeat from the last thread…..UN MITIGATED GALL!!!

So with all this frosting for Waxmans huge cake. I love cake.

SHEESE!!! it just goes on and on

Oklahoma kiddo @ 12

Prostitution doesn’t bother me. It’s the family values fanatics who preach about the evils of it, and go to church on Sunday, and later that night or some other time they might very well be found soliciting that I can’t take. It’s the hypocrisy and the liars who are revolting. Not the prostitutes.

Agree Kid..
I would add a general lack of class in DC all around…Either live up to the 18th century laws of the United States or repeal them or update them..Sometimes here in the bible belt you can cut the hypocracy with a butter knife.
8***************************8
What happens in DC stays in DC.

Nan @ 9

This kind of scandal could get ugly for both parties. Fingers crossed here.

The next name will let us know more about that, I betcha.

Since the first two (Mr Shock-and-Awe and the Deputy Secretary of State) are on the Bushie side, I would expect ABC to question an upstanding Democrat next, if there is one on the list. Or, they might strategize: leak Bushie-type names until some Democrat takes the bait and gets all sancitmonious, then drop the anvil on our side.

Yup, it’s scary, but I want these chips to fall where they may.

I can hear Madame saying it now (& ending it w/that cackling laugh), “Oh, honey, you don’t know the half of it. HAHAHAHAHA.”

Today’s GOP: It’s the Do-As-I-Say-Not-As-I-Do Party.

He was, erm, doing research, getting some hands on experience, really into his work, looking for the inside scoop, trying to stay on top of things, I mean keep abreast of them, well at least get to the bottom of them. IOW butter him up and call him toast.

Correct me if I am wrong, but reading between the lines and trying to think outside the box - was Tobias saying that the reason he used services from non-citizens was because there are some jobs that American’s won’t do?

Marie Roget @ 13

Heidi Fleiss Goes to Washington. What fun! I’d suspect many other fish to be hauled up in the Rolodex net…perhaps both parties, perhaps both sexes.

Thanks for the great post, TeddySanFran.
(Love Waylan & Madame, BTW)

Christy is a Graphics Goddess, in addition to her other very well-known talents around here. I am a lucky beneficiary, with the Pink Luggage yesterday and Madame today. It’s a particularly malevolent pic of Madame, no?

According to ccmask’s 1:42 pm comment in the previous thread, “I understand the madam has 46 pounds of phone records. There has to be more than Tobias in there….”

as a high profile former executive - i guess tobias figured this is SOP - so whats the big deal here…….. nothing to see here……..LMAO!!!

juslin @ 20

SHEESE!!! it just goes on and on

ABC is leaking one name every two weeks. This could be a long summer for Ms. Palfrey’s customers. And an entertaining one for us.

I read somewhere that Tobias has been trying to quit State for six months and Rice wouldn’t let him. Now I bet she wishes she had let him leave.

From dreamcatcher on the previous thread - I wanted to make sure folks saw this.

Tobias was head honcho at pharma giant Eli Lilly (yes, they make AIDS drugs) when he took over the job overseeing AIDS control.

It is so like Bush to give the job to someone who has a drug perspective on AIDS as opposed to preventing AIDS. It is no surprise then that he denied funds to groups that advocated use of condoms to prevent AIDS.

He had to resign because he has no credibility left as a moral spokesman for the religious right.

So what finally takes this man out is not his massive conflict of interest, but sex.

Hugh @ 25

He was, erm, doing research, getting some hands on experience, really into his work, looking for the inside scoop, trying to stay on top of things, I mean keep abreast of them, well at least get to the bottom of them. IOW butter him up and call him toast.

Tobias’s comment that he was “using Central Americans now” was particularly infuriating, in its dismissiveness and callous disregard of these women’s humanity. Once I calmed down about that, though, I started thinking, hmmmmm. Central America? Who in this Administration just took a demotion, to State, and has some Central American expertise? Mr. Blackbridge?

In this guy’s case it’s not JUST the hypocrisy –

it’s the hypocrisy that leads to the death of others!

Their sanctimony prevents humanitarian health groups from saving innumerable lives.

[God is not amused.

As a child I was frightened of the whole notion of Judgement Day. Not any more. My personal belief (which I do NOT push on others) in a Final Justice is a great, great comfort to me.

And at the same time I believe just as strongly, if not more so, that it is the duty of every human being, regardless of faith or lack thereof, to strive for the best human embodiment of Justice in THIS LIFE as is possible.]

juslin @ 29

as a high profile former executive - i guess tobias figured this is SOP - so whats the big deal here…….. nothing to see here……..LMAO!!!

I love Tom Lantos even more than I did before. From today’s WaPo:

The ambitious effort has been controversial on Capitol Hill, where Tobias’s style and performance have come under attack. At a hearing last month, Rep. Tom Lantos (D-Calif.), chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, accused Tobias of “tycoonitis,” which he described as “people who come from the top of the corporate ladder who consider congressional suggestions, requests for information and participation in decision-making as intruding on their turf.”

I wonder if Lilly makes a shot for “tycoonitis?” Bwahahahaha…..

Fern @ 32:

So what finally takes this man out is not his massive conflict of interest, but sex.

It’s just as Jon Stewart has painted it. They’d rather be seen as incompetent pinheads than as what they truly are: craven and corrupt.

A cat in every tree.

From TSF…

Tobias’s comment that he was “using Central Americans now” was particularly infuriating, in its dismissiveness and callous disregard of these women’s humanity. Once I calmed down about that, though, I started thinking, hmmmmm. Central America? Who in this Administration just took a demotion, to State, and has some Central American expertise? Mr. Blackbridge?

And USE is clearly the operative word here - thought i would point that out for the folks who don’t seem to have trouble with prostitution.

No sex - but plenty of rub & tug going on

Hugh @
26

He was, erm, doing research, getting some hands on experience, really into his work, looking for the inside scoop, trying to stay on top of things, I mean keep abreast of them, well at least get to the bottom of them. IOW butter him up and call him toast.

Or did he rub somebody the wrong way? :)

TSF@30
i fear i’m enjoying this wayyyyyyyyy too much i cant stop laughing….

Nola Sue @ 35

Fern @ 32:

So what finally takes this man out is not his massive conflict of interest, but sex.

It’s just as Jon Stewart has painted it. They’d rather be seen as incompetent pinheads than as what they truly are: craven and corrupt.

A cat in every tree.

“Incompetence” is their brand-saving comeback meme for 2016. Just like “The New Nixon,” they hope people will remember the GOP not for its amazing kleptocracy, but as bumblers.

So much sadness!!

“I’m sad today,” said one person close to Tobias. “The president loves him and Condi absolutely loves him.”

Could this be a blind WaPo quote from She Who Suffers With Our President?

But President Bush wouldn’t budge. He signed a 2003 National Security Presidential Directive saying prostitution “and related activities” were “inherently harmful and dehumanizing.”

“inherently harmful and dehumanizing”? Yeah, prostitution is inherently harmful and dehumanizing but torturing detainees is a-ok. Prostitution may not be desirable in human society for a number of reasons, but at least the ideal form of prostitution involves two consenting adults. Besides, the world’s oldest occupation isn’t going away any time soon so you might as well fund anti-AIDS initiatives.

Man, don’t you just love getting lessons in morality from the mass-murderer in chief?

Wasn’t President Bush going to restore honor and integrity in Washington?

They have butchered everything. Stay tuned for a Bush speech fron the renamed Offal Office.

f00bar jones @ 43

“inherently harmful and dehumanizing”? Yeah, prostitution is inherently harmful and dehumanizing but torturing detainees is a-ok. Prostitution may not be desirable in human society for a number of reasons, but at least the ideal form of prostitution involves two consenting adults. Besides, the world’s oldest occupation isn’t going away any time soon so you might as well fund anti-AIDS initiatives.

Man, don’t you just love getting lessons in morality from the mass-murderer in chief?

Well said - excellent comparison

does all this bring to mind the israeli ambassador who was recalled after being found bound and gagged? my mind is working overtime on this tobias story - i guess the “restraints” were too tight hehehehehe

BTW, the ABC Radio report was one of those brief stories at the top of the hour, but I haven’t heard it repeated. I was driving when I heard it this morning at 11am.

As for Tobias, of course he had to switch “escort” services. Palfrey was busted some time ago, and he found a new service to provide him with those women from Central America. What a pig. I feel bad for his wife.

Yikes! OT

We’re in the middle of a sudden massive dust storm with gale force winds.

Gotta go shut the blinds around the house — so that if a flying tree limb should hit it (and the accompanying glass shards) won’t land in the middle of the room.

BRB.

juslin @ 46

does all this bring to mind the israeli ambassador who was recalled after being found bound and gagged? my mind is working overtime on this tobias story - i guess the “restraints” were too tight hehehehehe

he’s fit to be tied.

any judges on the list? “judicial restraint”, hmmm…
W will only appoint strict constraintionist judges.

punaise on a roll

Mrs. K8 @ 48

Yikes! OT

We’re in the middle of a sudden massive dust storm with gale force winds.

Gotta go shut the blinds around the house — so that if a flying tree limb should hit it (and the accompanying glass shards) won’t land in the middle of the room.

BRB.

Be careful. It is a beautiful day here in So. CA.

So if we’re talking high end hookers in Washington, the clientele would be senior government officials, military, and politicians, judges, lawyers, and let’s not forget the media and lobbyists.

Re lobbyists, I wonder if there is any tie in with Dusty Foggo and hookergate.

Mrs. K8 @ 34

In this guy’s case it’s not JUST the hypocrisy –

it’s the hypocrisy that leads to the death of others!

Their sanctimony prevents humanitarian health groups from saving innumerable lives.

[God is not amused.

As a child I was frightened of the whole notion of Judgement Day. Not any more. My personal belief (which I do NOT push on others) in a Final Justice is a great, great comfort to me.

And at the same time I believe just as strongly, if not more so, that it is the duty of every human being, regardless of faith or lack thereof, to strive for the best human embodiment of Justice in THIS LIFE as is possible.]

*******************************************
I really like your attitude Mrs.K8.
*******************************************
If I may expound..It is not just our duty to be the best we can..It is our calling…
Yes, the animal side of man can drag us into war, hate, destruction and Lies.
The Beauty of Man and womankind is Love, Brotherhood, Art & Song & a Billion great things. In only 200 years there has been the miracle of America, The EU et. al.
In another 200 years we may shed the Sins of 20th Century mankind…
Well back to Basketball..Halftime is over..
Love..Hoosierhoops

punaise@48

kudos

Hugh @ 51

So if we’re talking high end hookers in Washington, the clientele would be senior government officials, military, and politicians, judges, lawyers, and let’s not forget the media and lobbyists.

Re lobbyists, I wonder if there is any tie in with Dusty Foggo and hookergate.

Still don’t have a clear sense of whether the Watergate/Cunningham sex workers were lady-hookers or boy-hookers, though. Ms. Palfrey has only mentioned employing women in her “sexual fantasy service” but who knows, maybe it will get more complex soon.

BTW, it’s next Friday’s 20/20 that MsPalfrey’s story is scheduled to air. Keep an eye on that, though, I wouldn’t be surprised to see last-minute changes.

Tobias’ program involved “outreach.”

And was this on govt time or personal time?

Probably he resigned to spend more time with family.

Mrs K8…. just came in from stacking up the patio furniture before I had to fish them out of the pool.

Have a good friend who lives in Brazil and it was quite a nasty political issue when Tobias insisted on the prostitution clause. It is one of the reasons that Brazil has been developing generic AIDS drugs…. They told Tobias and his Anti-AIDS funding to take a flying leap.

Another BushCo policy which leaves death and sadness in its wake.

TeddySanFran @ 14

Oklahoma kiddo @ 12

Prostitution doesn’t bother me. It’s the family values fanatics who preach about the evils of it, and go to church on Sunday, and later that night or some other time they might very well be found soliciting that I can’t take. It’s the hypocrisy and the liars who are revolting. Not the prostitutes.

Gotcha. Tobias was cutting off funding for community-based programs around the world that were successfully reaching sex workers, always a front line in HIV prevention. Requiring US-funded organizations to pledge “no-contact” with sex workers while patronizing them, even if for massages (wink, wink) seems to exceed hypocrisy. We need a new word.

A new word for doubleplus hypocrisy? We already have such a word.

Republican.

come on: “Dusty Foggo”? call me name-ist, but how did someone with that moniker get a security clearance, much less rise to such a high position in the CIA? It’s better suited to a dimestore harlequin romance novel / airport bookshop thriller.

Hugh @ 52

So if we’re talking high end hookers in Washington, the clientele would be senior government officials, military, and politicians, judges, lawyers, and let’s not forget the media and lobbyists.

Re lobbyists, I wonder if there is any tie in with Dusty Foggo and hookergate.

Good question. Wonder if anyone else has had that thought?

juslin, TSF… :~)

So, did Madame give all her info to ABC?
anyone know why ABC?

punaise @ 58

come on: “Dusty Foggo”? call me name-ist, but how did someone with that moniker get a security clearance, much less rise to such a high position in the CIA? It’s better suited to a dimestore harlequin romance novel / airport bookshop thriller.

sez Mr. Thumbtack. *g*

Is it evil of me to enjoy this? Please say no because I am really enjoying this.

My hope, Rove’s number is on the madame list! It would just make perfect sense.

Elliott @ 62

So, did Madame give all her info to ABC?
anyone know why ABC?

ABC paid her for the records.

Elliott @ 61

So, did Madame give all her info to ABC?
anyone know why ABC?

Don’t know, but it’s TalkingPointsMemo alumnus Justin Rood who is breaking this with Brian Ross.

Hugh @ 52

So if we’re talking high end hookers in Washington, the clientele would be senior government officials, military, and politicians, judges, lawyers, and let’s not forget the media and lobbyists.

Re lobbyists, I wonder if there is any tie in with Dusty Foggo and hookergate.

I recall one of those naughty old republican horndogs preferred male escorts. Where is former WH press corps ace Jeff Gannon when American needs his reportorial skills?

punaise @ 59

come on: “Dusty Foggo”? call me name-ist, but how did someone with that moniker get a security clearance, much less rise to such a high position in the CIA? It’s better suited to a dimestore harlequin romance novel / airport bookshop thriller.

At least you aren’t one of them submarine sammich-ists, punaise.

TeddySanFran @ 63

punaise @ 58

sez Mr. Thumbtack. *g*

well, there is that. thanks for avoiding the other translation: bedbug!

katymine @ 57

Mrs K8…. just came in from stacking up the patio furniture before I had to fish them out of the pool.

Have a good friend who lives in Brazil and it was quite a nasty political issue when Tobias insisted on the prostitution clause. It is one of the reasons that Brazil has been developing generic AIDS drugs…. They told Tobias and his Anti-AIDS funding to take a flying leap.

Another BushCo policy which leaves death and sadness in its wake.

[my bold]
Seems to be a fundy-mental requirement for every BushCo policy, doesn’t it?

Oklahoma kiddo @
12

Prostitution doesn’t bother me. It’s the family values fanatics who preach about the evils of it, and go to church on Sunday, and later that night or some other time they might very well be found soliciting that I can’t take. It’s the hypocrisy and the liars who are revolting. Not the prostitutes.

The sex part of prostitution doesn’t really bother me. The desperation of women (generally) whose lives have been destroyed by substance abuse (again, generally) to the point that they see no way out other than to turn tricks to survive - bothers me. I would imagine high price call girls have a short shelf life.

pwrlght @ 65

Elliott @ 62

So, did Madame give all her info to ABC?
anyone know why ABC?

ABC paid her for the records.

thanks!

punaise @
44

Wasn’t President Bush going to restore honor and integrity in Washington?

They have butchered everything. Stay tuned for a Bush speech fron the renamed Offal Office.

Developing story … in light of the upcoming list being trotted out by ABC, Bush will sign an executive order sanctioning adultery on Monday, April 30th, in the renamed “Oral Office”.
An excerpt from Bush’s speech, “… it was hard work, coming up with a new name for the place where I keep my sunburst rug. Someone suggested “Oval Orifice” but Karl Rove already had that one. heh heh “

ifthethunderdontgetya @
68

At least you aren’t one of them submarine sammich-ists, punaise.

“punaise on a roll” is Today’s Special… :~)

Guy was heard muttering- “If I’d tipped em more- I’d still be working”.

pwrlght @ 63

Is it evil of me to enjoy this? Please say no because I am really enjoying this.

My hope, Rove’s number is on the madame list! It would just make perfect sense.

I’m hoping for BigTime, Boehner & Blunt. Also Hastert.

TeddySanFran @ 66

Elliott @ 61

So, did Madame give all her info to ABC?
anyone know why ABC?

Don’t know, but it’s TalkingPointsMemo alumnus Justin Rood who is breaking this with Brian Ross.

Ahh. I was hoping TPM would get the records!

heh,
bedbug

AP - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton denounced President Bush on Saturday for his “Mission Accomplished” speech and said his conduct of the Iraq war was “one of the darkest blots on leadership we’ve ever had.”

TeddySanFran @ 76

pwrlght @ 63

Is it evil of me to enjoy this? Please say no because I am really enjoying this.

My hope, Rove’s number is on the madame list! It would just make perfect sense.

I’m hoping for BigTime, Boehner & Blunt. Also Hastert.

Christ, now I have the image of those four naked. Thanks a lot, blech!

Zee @ 71

Oklahoma kiddo @
12

Prostitution doesn’t bother me. It’s the family values fanatics who preach about the evils of it, and go to church on Sunday, and later that night or some other time they might very well be found soliciting that I can’t take. It’s the hypocrisy and the liars who are revolting. Not the prostitutes.

The sex part of prostitution doesn’t really bother me. The desperation of women (generally) whose lives have been destroyed by substance abuse (again, generally) to the point that they see no way out other than to turn tricks to survive - bothers me. I would imagine high price call girls have a short shelf life.

Many are also survivors of child sexual abuse.

good one, Petrocelli

“Ask the FoXXX at the White House”

Ambassador Randall L. Tobias
United States Global AIDS Coordinator:

The U.S. is also partnering with communities to find solutions to such issues as sexual coercion and exploitation of women and girls, as well as fighting sex trafficking and prostitution, while still serving victims of these activities.

pwrlght @ 80

TeddySanFran @ 76

pwrlght @ 63

I’m hoping for BigTime, Boehner & Blunt. Also Hastert.

Christ, now I have the image of those three naked. Thanks a lot, blech!

Hurry, think about puppies…apple pie…baby ducks…blue skies and fluffy clouds…

If this Administration comes tumbling down because of this scandal — and it might, depending on who’s on The Rolodex — the French will never, ever, ever stop laughing at us. Ever!

First Clinton, now this.

punaise @
82

good one, Petrocelli

I’m a slow starter … ;-)
It’s not delivery, it’s deliciosa

A Tale of Booty and the Beast

President Bush Names Randall Tobias to be Global AIDS Coordinator

President Bush: Randy is one of America’s most talented and respected executives. He was Vice Chairman of AT&T International and Chairman of ATT International, guiding the firm through immense organizational challenges. He went to head Eli Lilly and Company, one of our nation’s largest and most innovative pharmaceutical companies.

He is a highly regarded civic leader and philanthropist in his home state of Indiana. Throughout his career, Randy has shown the ability to manage complex organizations and to navigate government bureaucracies. He has earned a reputation as an executive of great energy, resourcefulness, good judgment and integrity.

As Global AIDS Coordinator, Randy will have the rank of Ambassador, and will report directly to Secretary of State Powell. He will coordinate all of our international HIV/AIDS activities for all of our government departments and agencies. He will oversee all resources of this program. And he will work with the faith-based and community groups to get the job done. He will report regularly to Congress on the progress and effectiveness of our efforts.

Randy Tobias has a mandate directly from me to get our AIDS initiative up and running as soon as possible. We’ll work quickly to get help to the people who need it most by purchasing low-cost, anti-retroviral medications and other drugs that are needed to save lives. We will set up a broad and efficient network to deliver drugs to the farthest reaches of Africa, even by motorcycle or bicycle.

Christ, now I have the image of those three naked. Thanks a lot, blech!

Zee @ 84

Hurry, think about puppies…apple pie…baby ducks…blue skies and fluffy clouds…

doesn’t work:

Cheney’s ‘taking care of’ the puppy and ducks
Hastert is stuffing his face with the pie
Boehner is working on his tan

TeddySanFran @ 85

If this Administration comes tumbling down because of this scandal — and it might, depending on who’s on The Rolodex — the French will never, ever, ever stop laughing at us. Ever!

First Clinton, now this.

Just the French, hmmm - I think more than the French are laughing at the US.

TeddySanFran @ 85

If this Administration comes tumbling down because of this scandal — and it might, depending on who’s on The Rolodex — the French will never, ever, ever stop laughing at us. Ever!

First Clinton, now this.

… zee franche haf nevvur stupped loffing att yew Ummericuns …

TeddySanFran @ 85

If this Administration comes tumbling down because of this scandal — and it might, depending on who’s on The Rolodex — the French will never, ever, ever stop laughing at us. Ever!

First Clinton, now this.

A Dubya Administration sex scandal? Someone alert Dave Broder…the White House his place has been trashed again. And it isn’t Dubya’s place!

punaise @ 88

Christ, now I have the image of those three naked. Thanks a lot, blech!

Zee @ 84

Hurry, think about puppies…apple pie…baby ducks…blue skies and fluffy clouds…

doesn’t work:

Cheney’s ‘taking care of’ the puppy and ducks
Hastert is stuffing his face with the pie
Boehner is working on his tan

Dang…that’s all I got.

He’s an AT&T former exec. What’s he know about that Co. colluding etc w/NSA wrt domestic surveillance?

Just something I’d want to know. Not drawing any conclusions, yet.

TeddySanFran @ 76

pwrlght @ 63

Is it evil of me to enjoy this? Please say no because I am really enjoying this.

My hope, Rove’s number is on the madame list! It would just make perfect sense.

I’m hoping for BigTime, Boehner & Blunt. Also Hastert.

Now you’re talking.

punaise @ 88

Christ, now I have the image of those three naked. Thanks a lot, blech!

Zee @ 84

Hurry, think about puppies…apple pie…baby ducks…blue skies and fluffy clouds…

doesn’t work:

Cheney’s ‘taking care of’ the puppy and ducks
Hastert is stuffing his face with the pie
Boehner is working on his tan

You’ll have to settle for a Chevrolet, then.

ifthethunderdontgetya @ 95

You’ll have to settle for a Chevrolet, then.

or a chevre au lait - some cult sacrifice thing involving goat in milk. right up their alley.

OT

Last night’s Bill Moyers Journal with Jon Stewart and Josh Marshall: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour.....watch.html

ENJOY!!!

Oklahoma kiddo @ 79

AP - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton denounced President Bush on Saturday for his “Mission Accomplished” speech and said his conduct of the Iraq war was “one of the darkest blots on leadership we’ve ever had.”

Cool…hope she goes a bit further. Was that during the debate?

Republican talking point #69 … (did you get that one, punaise?)
“We were helping these girls discover the American Dream. Our men should be congratulated for their hard work and dedickation.”

Oh hypocricy,

thy name is neocon!

(massage… sheesh!)

Tobias was Condi’s Deputy. This abstinence-promoting policy goes back to her office. Therefore, it’s perfectly reasonable and correct for Congressional investigators to pose the following question to her:

“Secretary Rice, since it is the administration’s policy to promote abstinence globally, could you describe your own personal decisions and choices on abstinence?”

You know, since that’s the policy she’s been promoting world-wide.

Clusterfuck says:

“I don’t AVOID women Karl- but I deny them my essence”.

POE

PeterK @ 98

Oklahoma kiddo @ 79

AP - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton denounced President Bush on Saturday for his “Mission Accomplished” speech and said his conduct of the Iraq war was “one of the darkest blots on leadership we’ve ever had.”

Cool…hope she goes a bit further. Was that during the debate?

Tuesday — likely the day The Veto-er gets out His Veto Pen — is the fourth anniversary of the Mission Accomplished flightsuit foolishness, according to Olbermann. I hope Dems hammer him for it. (Too much to hope TradMed will hammer him on their own)

When prostitution becomes illegal and punishable for both the giver, and the taker, things might change.

How many prostitutes who have accepted payment for services rendered went to jail, while those who paid for the services went scot free?

As things stand now, it is a travesty of justice.

So was Tobias in turn massaging the truth?

I hope Ken Starr’s name comes up on her list

Hugh @ 105

So was Tobias in turn massaging the truth?

I think it came to that

TeddySanFran @
14

Oklahoma kiddo @ 12

Prostitution doesn’t bother me. It’s the family values fanatics who preach about the evils of it, and go to church on Sunday, and later that night or some other time they might very well be found soliciting that I can’t take. It’s the hypocrisy and the liars who are revolting. Not the prostitutes.

Gotcha. Tobias was cutting off funding for community-based programs around the world that were successfully reaching sex workers, always a front line in HIV prevention. Requiring US-funded organizations to pledge “no-contact” with sex workers while patronizing them, even if for massages (wink, wink) seems to exceed hypocrisy. We need a new word.

A bit late to the thread due to dinner.

My $.02: The prostitutes are honest workers, along the preacher crowd.

Fern @ 81

You note that many prostitutes are victims of abuse. Yes, in fact it’s nearly 100%.

Abused people often feel they have no worth left, that sex is the only thing people want from them or value them for, and they view themselves the same way.

Breaks my heart.

Elliott @ 106

I hope Ken Starr’s name comes up on her list

Oh yes! — and Ted Olson, before 9/11, when his wife was still alive.