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		<title>By: ccmask</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/27/is-our-electorate-learning-and-the-post-im-not-smart-enough-to-write/#comment-656457</link>
		<dc:creator>ccmask</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The reason Rudy was in the streets that day is because he put the emergency operations in an area where he shouldn’t have put it.  I wonder if any other 911 survivors are running for president?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason Rudy was in the streets that day is because he put the emergency operations in an area where he shouldn’t have put it.  I wonder if any other 911 survivors are running for president?</p>
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		<title>By: harriett</title>
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		<dc:creator>harriett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The elections gave me hope, yet if there truly is a ’sea of change’, then why the hell is Ruttin’ Rudee winning in recent polls??? For America’s sake, sheeple, COME TO YOUR SENSES!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The elections gave me hope, yet if there truly is a ’sea of change’, then why the hell is Ruttin’ Rudee winning in recent polls??? For America’s sake, sheeple, COME TO YOUR SENSES!</p>
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		<title>By: Bugboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bugboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 15:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No, it is NOT just GOP and the Media, it is the whole cult of deception that comes with the Sales Pitch.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just like the Tobacco Industry is paying for its transgressions of half a century ago, I see the advertising industry at some point paying its dues for the damage it has done to society.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The time is now that we start recognizing it for what it is: exploitation of the human urge.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it is NOT just GOP and the Media, it is the whole cult of deception that comes with the Sales Pitch.  </p>
<p>Just like the Tobacco Industry is paying for its transgressions of half a century ago, I see the advertising industry at some point paying its dues for the damage it has done to society.  </p>
<p>The time is now that we start recognizing it for what it is: exploitation of the human urge.</p>
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		<title>By: ccmask</title>
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		<dc:creator>ccmask</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Watt4Bob said “A moment after we throw BushCo out, they’ll be on TV blaming the Democrats for the lousy economy, the same economy that BushCo left in shambles. The lousy economy that’s been papered over with Phony numbers.”&lt;br /&gt;
snip&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And Bush will be in Paraguay.  Thsi story has been updated to include more info–seen here in a diary at dailykos:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ressurecting the Bush (Huge) Land-Acquisiton-in-Paraguay Story&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/28/2544/07385&quot;&gt;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/28/2544/07385&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watt4Bob said “A moment after we throw BushCo out, they’ll be on TV blaming the Democrats for the lousy economy, the same economy that BushCo left in shambles. The lousy economy that’s been papered over with Phony numbers.”<br />
snip</p>
<p>And Bush will be in Paraguay.  Thsi story has been updated to include more info–seen here in a diary at dailykos:</p>
<p>Ressurecting the Bush (Huge) Land-Acquisiton-in-Paraguay Story<br />
<a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/28/2544/07385">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/28/2544/07385</a></p>
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		<title>By: Watt4Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Watt4Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 14:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The trouble is, after we finally wise up, we’re still left with a gutted economy. We may be getting control of our country back, but the pirates that have been in control have stolen every last cent, they’ve sold our productive capacity so we are left to dig ourselves out of this mess with what we can earn working at Wal Mart or McDonalds?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A moment after we throw BushCo out, they’ll be on TV blaming the Democrats for the lousy economy, the same economy that BushCo left in shambles. The lousy economy that’s been papered over with Phony numbers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Phony Balance of Trade, Unemployment, and Inflation numbers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The National Debt. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Amount of tax benefits given to the rich by post-dating thefts from Social Security Trust Fund. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bonus’s paid to CEOs of large corporations to drive their domestic operations into the ground prior to moving the jobs overseas, as opposed to say, the amounts owed to workers pension funds as stipulated in Contracts. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;If the corporations were making enough profit to cover extravagant bonuses for management people, what is the explanation for missing payments for contractual obligations? Contractual obligations, the result of agreements that were not secret?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The market value of the oil that the Oil Companies knew lay ‘undiscovered’ beneath the Iraqi desert. The Oil that they considered a corporate asset, (and our nation’s Strategic Petroleum Reserve, by the way.) as opposed to say, the Iraqi people’s natural resources&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The amounts paid to the Defense Department to ensure that no possible source of fear goes unassesed. The amounts required to protect us from those boogies.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The amounts paid for professional Intelligence gathering, Intelligence that our Chief Executive ignored.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The amounts paid to assemble Intelligence that is more to their liking.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The $10 Billion they say they lost in the sand.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Amounts paid to Blackwater mercenaries, how many we will never know. (Amounts four or five times the pay received by Our Troops.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;How would you feel if you were carrying a rifle through the streets of Baghdad for $20K a year, while there were guys with black t-shirts everywhere you looked, making $90K a year, and they could just go home if they wanted.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Amount paid to Blackwater employees to protect us from poor black people in New Orleans, who might afterall decide to steal some of the $8 Billion worth of Blue Tarps our fearless leader, and his buddys say they provided for us. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Untold amounts paid to Blackwater bosses, (A tiny handful of people you can bet.) as stipulated by the conditions of no-bid contracts, the details of which, you will never, ever know. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then there are the amounts that will evaporate into thin air in the next couple of years, the amount of wealth that will disappear over-night when all the lies are finally found insufficient to cover even the interest on the balance due.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When the leaders of our Pirate Nation finally run us onto the rocks and we maybe, suddenly discover that we’ve had enough of them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When all of this finally dawns on us.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When the proverbial shit hits the fan, the Sheriff will throw you down your own front steps at the behest of your Landlord or your Banker. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When the proverbial shit hits the fan, your current Health Care Provider will pay a very rude woman to scrape the scabs off your knees with a dull knife, so as to amplify your DNA, and file a Patent Claim on your Unique Genetic Identity, just in case there’s any marketable data in there. (Identity theft.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When the proverbial shit hits the fan, the Credit Union that owns your car will split your last Electronic-Deposit with the Bank just before the Al-Quieda Virus erases all your bank records.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is only one small glimmer of light in all this gloom. One glimpse of a silver lining.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;After the proverbial shit has hit the fan, I will gladly tell Michelle Malkin how happy I am to see her again, and that no, I do not want fries with that cheeseburger.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m going to savor that moment,…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;… but it won’t change the fact that BushCo is setting us up for kill, we’re likely going to get control our bankrupt country for a couple of years, just long enough for everything to fall completely apart, and for the lie factory to convince the sheep that it is all the liberal chickenshit tax and spend Democrats fault.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wish I could be more confident that we won’t believe them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trouble is, after we finally wise up, we’re still left with a gutted economy. We may be getting control of our country back, but the pirates that have been in control have stolen every last cent, they’ve sold our productive capacity so we are left to dig ourselves out of this mess with what we can earn working at Wal Mart or McDonalds?</p>
<p>A moment after we throw BushCo out, they’ll be on TV blaming the Democrats for the lousy economy, the same economy that BushCo left in shambles. The lousy economy that’s been papered over with Phony numbers.</p>
<p>Phony Balance of Trade, Unemployment, and Inflation numbers.</p>
<p>The National Debt. </p>
<p>Amount of tax benefits given to the rich by post-dating thefts from Social Security Trust Fund. </p>
<p>Bonus’s paid to CEOs of large corporations to drive their domestic operations into the ground prior to moving the jobs overseas, as opposed to say, the amounts owed to workers pension funds as stipulated in Contracts. </p>
<p><em>If the corporations were making enough profit to cover extravagant bonuses for management people, what is the explanation for missing payments for contractual obligations? Contractual obligations, the result of agreements that were not secret?</em></p>
<p>The market value of the oil that the Oil Companies knew lay ‘undiscovered’ beneath the Iraqi desert. The Oil that they considered a corporate asset, (and our nation’s Strategic Petroleum Reserve, by the way.) as opposed to say, the Iraqi people’s natural resources</p>
<p>The amounts paid to the Defense Department to ensure that no possible source of fear goes unassesed. The amounts required to protect us from those boogies.</p>
<p>The amounts paid for professional Intelligence gathering, Intelligence that our Chief Executive ignored.</p>
<p>The amounts paid to assemble Intelligence that is more to their liking.</p>
<p>The $10 Billion they say they lost in the sand.</p>
<p>Amounts paid to Blackwater mercenaries, how many we will never know. (Amounts four or five times the pay received by Our Troops.)</p>
<p><em>How would you feel if you were carrying a rifle through the streets of Baghdad for $20K a year, while there were guys with black t-shirts everywhere you looked, making $90K a year, and they could just go home if they wanted.</em></p>
<p>Amount paid to Blackwater employees to protect us from poor black people in New Orleans, who might afterall decide to steal some of the $8 Billion worth of Blue Tarps our fearless leader, and his buddys say they provided for us. </p>
<p>Untold amounts paid to Blackwater bosses, (A tiny handful of people you can bet.) as stipulated by the conditions of no-bid contracts, the details of which, you will never, ever know. </p>
<p>Then there are the amounts that will evaporate into thin air in the next couple of years, the amount of wealth that will disappear over-night when all the lies are finally found insufficient to cover even the interest on the balance due.</p>
<p>When the leaders of our Pirate Nation finally run us onto the rocks and we maybe, suddenly discover that we’ve had enough of them.</p>
<p>When all of this finally dawns on us.</p>
<p>When the proverbial shit hits the fan, the Sheriff will throw you down your own front steps at the behest of your Landlord or your Banker. </p>
<p>When the proverbial shit hits the fan, your current Health Care Provider will pay a very rude woman to scrape the scabs off your knees with a dull knife, so as to amplify your DNA, and file a Patent Claim on your Unique Genetic Identity, just in case there’s any marketable data in there. (Identity theft.)</p>
<p>When the proverbial shit hits the fan, the Credit Union that owns your car will split your last Electronic-Deposit with the Bank just before the Al-Quieda Virus erases all your bank records.</p>
<p>There is only one small glimmer of light in all this gloom. One glimpse of a silver lining.</p>
<p><b>After the proverbial shit has hit the fan, I will gladly tell Michelle Malkin how happy I am to see her again, and that no, I do not want fries with that cheeseburger.</b></p>
<p>I’m going to savor that moment,…</p>
<p><b>… but it won’t change the fact that BushCo is setting us up for kill, we’re likely going to get control our bankrupt country for a couple of years, just long enough for everything to fall completely apart, and for the lie factory to convince the sheep that it is all the liberal chickenshit tax and spend Democrats fault.</b></p>
<p>I wish I could be more confident that we won’t believe them.</p>
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		<title>By: GordonM</title>
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		<dc:creator>GordonM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;W/o reading other comments.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Undeniable effects: TPM / FDL on USA scandal&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;More hidden: the Dem’s taking a harder line on Iraq&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;W/o going any further: the liberal blogosphere has changed the world directly and tangibly for the better (pat yourselves on the back - OK, that’s enough, get back to work ;-).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Would the world be changing w/o blogs? Yes, but much, much more slowly. Stewart / Colbert would have more effect, but less ammo. The Nation might have larger circulation. There might be another Olberman (business people love money more than ideology). But I suspect 2006 would have been “better” but not a victory.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>W/o reading other comments.</p>
<p>Undeniable effects: TPM / FDL on USA scandal</p>
<p>More hidden: the Dem’s taking a harder line on Iraq</p>
<p>W/o going any further: the liberal blogosphere has changed the world directly and tangibly for the better (pat yourselves on the back &#8211; OK, that’s enough, get back to work ;-).</p>
<p>Would the world be changing w/o blogs? Yes, but much, much more slowly. Stewart / Colbert would have more effect, but less ammo. The Nation might have larger circulation. There might be another Olberman (business people love money more than ideology). But I suspect 2006 would have been “better” but not a victory.</p>
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		<title>By: dcnataro</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcnataro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The answer to your questions at the end is&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer to your questions at the end is</p>
<p>No.</p>
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		<title>By: Bluetoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bluetoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-656156&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Voodoo Chile @ 330 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Just remember that it only took 6 years after Richard Nixon for Republicans to regain dominance.  Same thing will happen now.  In a few years, Americans will remember how much they hate homosexual, and how much they love Jesus and war.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This time it’s going to be different because some Republicans are going to end up at the War Crimes Tribunal at the Hague, many more will end up in Federal prisons and there is even the possibility that one or two may actually be executed for treason.    In that case the Republican Party will be so dishonored and tarnished in the mind of the people that in all likelihood they will go the way of the Whig Party.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-656156"><em>Voodoo Chile @ 330 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Just remember that it only took 6 years after Richard Nixon for Republicans to regain dominance.  Same thing will happen now.  In a few years, Americans will remember how much they hate homosexual, and how much they love Jesus and war.</p>
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<p>This time it’s going to be different because some Republicans are going to end up at the War Crimes Tribunal at the Hague, many more will end up in Federal prisons and there is even the possibility that one or two may actually be executed for treason.    In that case the Republican Party will be so dishonored and tarnished in the mind of the people that in all likelihood they will go the way of the Whig Party.</p>
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		<title>By: ccmask</title>
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		<dc:creator>ccmask</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-656153&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Beel @ 329 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I get tired of hearing one of the minor premises of this post–that had Gore won bigger, he would “really” have won.  Let’s start essays like this (here in the reality based community) with the truth–the fascis…err…GOP STOLE the presidential election in 2000.  The implications for the mentality of our citizens and our press–that this could happen–are dire.  But it’s what happened.  Gore won the election.  Then it was stolen.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Actualy, it was a first for our nation that the Supreme Court got to decide who the next president of the country would be.  Does this mean that a precedent has been set?  How come our founding fathers were so smart?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-656153"><em>Beel @ 329 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I get tired of hearing one of the minor premises of this post–that had Gore won bigger, he would “really” have won.  Let’s start essays like this (here in the reality based community) with the truth–the fascis…err…GOP STOLE the presidential election in 2000.  The implications for the mentality of our citizens and our press–that this could happen–are dire.  But it’s what happened.  Gore won the election.  Then it was stolen.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Actualy, it was a first for our nation that the Supreme Court got to decide who the next president of the country would be.  Does this mean that a precedent has been set?  How come our founding fathers were so smart?</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FDL is a breath of fresh air.  Watching MSM and then reading FDL is like being in two different countries.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m probably more conservative than some of the authors and posters here but I love the fact that this blog is telling the truth and exposing the lies and incredible arrogance of the Bush administration. Their able accomplices the media have to own a share of this as well.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They have inflicted so much pain on this country. The worst thing is that they don’t care. As long as they get what they want, the rest of us don’t matter. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I live in Kentucky home of one of the worst, Mitch McConnell.  I am definitely going to work as hard as I can to rid our state of him.  An uphill battle to be sure but not totally impossible.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks to FDL, I feel a sense of empowerment that was previously missing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FDL is a breath of fresh air.  Watching MSM and then reading FDL is like being in two different countries.  </p>
<p>I’m probably more conservative than some of the authors and posters here but I love the fact that this blog is telling the truth and exposing the lies and incredible arrogance of the Bush administration. Their able accomplices the media have to own a share of this as well.</p>
<p>They have inflicted so much pain on this country. The worst thing is that they don’t care. As long as they get what they want, the rest of us don’t matter. </p>
<p>I live in Kentucky home of one of the worst, Mitch McConnell.  I am definitely going to work as hard as I can to rid our state of him.  An uphill battle to be sure but not totally impossible.</p>
<p>Thanks to FDL, I feel a sense of empowerment that was previously missing.</p>
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