
(Photo of dinosaur avec hot pink baggage, long blonde wig and matching feather boa via halliew.)
Lieberman mouthpiece Dangerstein, concern troll extraordinaire, claims that Senator Clinton "invite[d] scorn and hypocrisy" by appearing at FireDogLake for a chat about pay equity:
Gerstein said he understands the Clinton camp wanting to reach out to lots of potential voters, especially women. But given that Clinton, "under the microscope to a much higher degree of scrutiny," Gerstein said, "I don't think this was necessarily a good idea for her." He suggested that Clinton's decision was particularly politically dangerous in light of the senator's vocal criticism of Don Imus after the shock jock's racially demeaning comments about the Rutgers women's basketball players. Clinton could have chosen a blogger with "less baggage," Gerstein said.
But, wait. Didn't Danger say just weeks ago that if Imus lost his show, it would be bad for Democrats? Digby reminds us:
I can hardly believe it. McJoan catches Joe Lieberman's advisor, the civility commissar Dan Gerstein, defending Imus out of a grave concern for the ramifications to the Democratic party.
"This is a real bind for Democrats," said Dan Gerstein, an advisor to one of Imus' favorite regulars, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.). "Talk radio has become primarily the province of the right, and the blogosphere is largely the province of the left. If Imus loses his microphone, there aren't many other venues like it around."
Dangerstein's right, of course! The American airwaves are sadly empty, now that Lieberman can no longer appear on the baggage-free venue that was Imus:
Lieberman worries, on the Senate floor, that the increasing vulgarity of network TV "is lowering the standards of what we accept on television, particularly in what used to be family programing hours." But he's talking out of both sides of his mouth. This week's moments of supposed humor on Imus, broadcast at an hour when children are rising for school, included a reference to Attorney General Janet Reno in crotchless pantyhose, an interview with Screw Magazine's Al Goldstein and a drunken woman saying "s—" over the air. Teehee. Lieberman is alarmed that some child watching an 8 p.m. TV show might hear the word "hooters." Yet he legitimizes, by his regular presence, a radio show that will fill the child's ears with far more vulgarity, sly racist jokes, gay-baiting and all-around bad taste than the child is ever likely to hear on TV.
Evaluating where any candidate should appear, especially in the rough-and-tumble blogosphere, can be a difficult choice. Like you, I was delighted that Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton accepted Jane Hamsher's invitation to come to the Lake to talk about gender pay equity on Equal Pay Day. And I hope our Democratic Presidential candidates won't start listening to Dangerstein about blog-venues and where to appear. Because, when it comes to baggage, Dangerstein's got an American Tourister matched set. UPDATES:
1. Garance Franke-Rute wonders if Dangerstein is a masochist, and she includes advice on how he can avoid scratching his blog war itch, unless it's too late for that.
And the worst part is that every time he goes after them they fire back with such a volley that I can’t imagine the exchanges do anything but make his Google cache more polluted.
2. Glenn Greenwald challenges Akers on both her sourcing and her attribution:
What much of this is about is a rank, transparent effort to make liberal blogs radioactive to candidates. Journalists like Akers are threatened by the fact that candidates can communicate directly with large numbers of voters without having to go through Washington Post reporters. So they manufacture blog "controversies" by seeking out completely unrepresentative aberrations like Dan Gerstein and pretend that their individual comments are representative of large factions. In reality, people like Gerstein are totally irrelevant figures who represent literally nobody (except, in Gerstein's case, non-Democrat Joe Lieberman). Any stories about alleged "blog controversies" that rely upon Dan Gerstein as a key source are inherently unreliable and worthless. Dan Gerstein hates blogs. That is his identity. It is how he attracts attention. Whenever he criticizes blogs, it is not a story. It does not signify anything other than this.
Glenn also accurately characterizes the Clinton thread, at least the thread I saw happen in real-time:
Clinton then participated in the comment section of the post, responding to questions and comments from FDL's bloggers and readers.
3. "Danny" at National Journal cherry-picks comments from FDL's Clinton thread to support his contention that commentary somehow differed from any Guest Appearance or BookSalon thread where on-topic is the rule:
Critical readers seemed most annoyed by the fact that Firedoglake limited the questions asked of Clinton to the equal pay topic she chose to discuss.
(This one's worth a click if only for a peek at the self-appointed evaluator of who should appear on what blogs. Is somebody still bitter about not being invited to Harlem for lunch?)
Although she won't blame Clinton for Hamsher's blackface disgrace, Althouse criticized Clinton's decision to blog at Hamsher's site. "Firedoglake is a hardcore place, and Clinton doesn't belong there," Althouse said. She also scoffed at the suggestion that Clinton guest-blogged. "The blog is publishing a press release."
4. Just in case you thought MaryAnn Akers was an edgy blogger unconnected to the DeeCee journamilzm clique, BigHeadRob reminds us that she's a RollCall alum betrothed to Michael Isikoff.
– So, to recap: time for yet another Blogger Ethics Panel focused on what blogs are worthy of candidate appearances. Panelists: MaryAnn Akers, "Danny," Altmouse, and that anonymous Clinton backer with the raised eyebrows. Dangerstein can moderate.
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Can’t we get rid of this meddlesome consultant?
Zed!
Ha. Zed!
TEDDY SF!!!
Christy, that pic is the very illustration of “Shock and Odd”
Oh hi, LJ. Nice zed you have there.
Hi Teddy, seems like old times, ragging on Dangerstein. He’s such a target.
Teddy at 5 — I just knew you’d love the photo choice. *g*
Wait till you see my Alphas, honey. ;)
Can you tell that the conversation downstairs was starting to devolve into S-E-X?
Ooh, Scandalous! Bad bloggers! Bad! We’re so incivil!
That picture… TRex, was that you when you went undercover to get those shots of Ghouliani in drag? You sly thing!
A pity. She looks kinda cute in the photo at WaPo. Bit girly for me, though….
Who was that crazy Democrat who spoke at the Repug convention in 2004? That old guy who was a Democrat only in name?
TRex @ 4
Hi TRex —- Is that your boa?
Georgesimian @ 11
Zel Miller?
Georgesimian at 11 — You mean Zell Miller, former Senator from Georgia?
Georgesimian @ 11
Ya mean DINO Zell Miller?
I want to know: Must WaPoO “bloggers” adhere to WaPo journamalizm standards, like calling the subject of your article? Or, do blogging rules apply, where the WaPoO poster responds to commenters who pose legitimate questions about the post? Or, do editors review the threaded comments from readers, as they would a Letter to the Editor requesting a correction?
Or do no rules apply?
If only the WaPo had a reader representative or a public editor, these mysteries could be addressed….
Hi TRex and gang,
I thank you all for tolerating such a babe-in-the-woods late adopter of political bloghopping as myself…so my ignorance will be quite glaring. Here’s goes:
I caught your stalker thingie late last night, so late I thought “Dangerstein” was one of those cute FDL nicknames like “Tweety”. Is that really his name? It’s so super-villain sounding. Like Goodling is ironic.
Texas Betsy @
12
Good heavens no. I’m a manly pouf.
Christy Hardin Smith @
14
Former governor, actually. He was a really good governor, but a few years ago he had a series of strokes and now he’s an arch conservative.
Go figure.
TeddySanFran @
16
The only WaPoo blogger obliged to follow any rules is Froomkin as he’s an “opinion columnist” who says nasty things about Republics. Others, not so much.
do-si-do:
Used to be, Dan Gerstein’s name (and that is his name) required brackets like this [], since the New York Times was obliged to update, with two [paragraphs], a story originally sourced to him during the Summer of Lamont. I’ve dropped the brackets, but his name’s so lovely without punctuation I run it all together.
TRex @ 19
He’s both former Senator and former Governor. Governor first.
luv luv luv the photo of TRex, but something is missing:
Where is Ned the Fighting Koi?
I am s crazy for Ned
Mmmmmm, dripping with irony and satire!
I’m very impressed!
Rock on Teddy!
LJ/Aquaria @
8
Figures I’d miss that! What thread?
OfT:
Harry Reid would like your signature on his Emergency Petition to Stop The Veto.
I’m trying to figure out how it’s bad for a comment thread to stay on topic during a discussion with a politician invited to discuss that issue.
Someone help me out here…
Wow, I’ve never been described as “hardcore”, and didn’t even realize I was hanging out in a “hardcore” place.
I guess I should get out of my “pajamas”, change into leather chaps and a dog collar, and grab a whip. I didn’t realize I was commenting in a hardcore, far left wing place where censorship is king!
So glad to finally have made it to the hardcore. This softcore liberalism was killing me.
Oh, and TSF, Dangerstein may have a lot of baggage, but I seriously doubt he actually has a matched set. More like a oddball collection from KMart or wherever it was on sale at the moment.
Twisted Martini @ 24
It was just getting started. Then this thread opened up. I did get to mention that I wouldn’t be having sex in the dark with this guy. Which I wouldn’t. Mm. Love me some Araporn…
TeddySanFran @ 21
Oh god, and I thought I was good at decoding vanity plates. Thanks Teddy!
LJ/Aquaria @ 27
There were other threads going where people could discuss other topics, yes?
do-si-do @ 16
Hi do-si-do,
He’s actually Dan Gerstein, but who can resist? And he is forever doijng stupid things that make him look silly. No, he keeps doing stupid things because he *is* silly. But the Super Bad Secret Agent name “Dangerstein” is partuclarly cute on him. To read is to snicker.
Matching set of garbage bags maybe…
This just in…
Hardcore USA’s gonna pow-wow.
Morris Sheppard @ 28
Nah, he’d be buying the cheap knockoff Louis Vuitton crap from the back of a truck. We had a lot of his types down on the border that used to buy up that stuff down in Mexico.
I did get a great Chanel rip-off down there, though. $10, and it was just like the one that costs $2K at Neiman’s. And I mean, just like it!
Heh. They’re screaming about blogs, and FDL, and Important Mainstream Political Leaders appearing here. And having to fuss and fight and throw fits about it.
Maybe it’s just living at the beach, but I love it when the tide shifts…
Hi Hotflash,
thanks…yeah, bad superagent. did you catch the video of Hasselhoff singing “Secret Agent Man” right here on FDL a few days back? LMAO.
marksb @ 37
Amen.
TeddySanFran @
26
Done and thanks for posting linky.
marksb @ 36
I think they’re jealous because Hillary doesn’t sit down that long with them to discuss anything. They’re supposed to get all the juicy stuff and filter it for our consumption. Why, if we get our info direct from a candidate, rather through the MSM, then—then—then the MSM would become–IRRELEVANT. :::MSM clutches pearls, faints. Then realizes the bloggers kicked the sofa out of the way so that they fall on their smug asses.::::
dakine01 @ 40
Do you think a petition wil have any effect at all?
If you like that, you’ll LOVE China!!
TeddySanFran @ 25
Just wondering, why is he asking us to do this? Maybe I’m just lazy, but I thought we told our reps what we want, which I have done, and they represent us, according to the Constitution and all. Other than getting Harry a huge e-mail list, what is a petition addressed to Pres Bush going to accomplish? Like George will read it? Petitions are not how things are done here, we have a legislature.
To me it seem like the toy steering wheel they put in shopping carts so the little kids can pretend they’re driving while mom pushes. Helping Mommy!
So Tenet is ripping the Bush administration.
“George J. Tenet, the former director of central intelligence, has lashed out against Vice President Dick Cheney and other Bush administration officials in a new book, saying they pushed the country to war in Iraq without ever conducting a “serious debate” about whether Saddam Hussein posed an imminent threat to the United States.”
And where were you when it counted Mr. Tenet? I don’t recall you resigning in protest. You rank up there with Colin Powell in terms of principles. Going to send your medal back? Your’s is one book that will not be appearing in my coffee table. Nor in the bathroom.
From Texas Betsy:
“Do you think a petition wil have any effect at all?”
No!
This is Stupid Answers to Stupid Questions, volume 48902
Texas Betsy @ 42 asks:
Pro’lly not, but it still let’s us AND them know that there are those of us out here who do care and are paying attention.
do-si-do @ 38
THANK you so much for confirming my vague recognition of Hasselhoff. WHen I saw it I kinda recognized him and said to meself, said I: “Hm. Well if that IS him, then indeed this is most funny.” Silly me. I feel so much better now.
OT: Where are other FirePups? – check out this earlier post to see (and join?) an unofficial map. At this writing, there’s 415 pins! :)
dakine01 @ 47
Pro’lly not, but it still let’s us AND them know that there are those of us out here who do care and are paying attention.
Eggs actly!
HotFlash @ 44
One outcome is he can go to Senators like Cornyn and Hutchison and tell’em “See, these are YOUR constituients saying they agree with me. How come you can’t do what YOUR voters want?” They still won’t pay any attention but it puts ‘em on a bit of notice that they’d better come up with some decent rationales and not the same ol’ gibberish
Morris @ 42.
I’m inclined to buy the real thing, if I really want it (and can afford it), rather than buying knockoffs. For instance, I would never, ever, buy knockoff Pradas. Or a knockoff Chanel suit. But my mom had taken me shopping for my birthday down in Mexico. That little purse was one of the few things that caught my eye, so she bought it for me. I didn’t even know the real thing cost so much until I saw it at Neiman’s later.
Oh dear I’ve been trying so hard to eliminate reptilian Lieberman and Dangerstein from my vocabulary and delicate eyes and ears.
OT – am nearly finished my second reading of recent FDL book salon author Jeffrey Feldman’s fine book FRAMING THE DEBATE. It is truly essential and compelling reading.
For central California Monterey Bay firepups I am proud to announce Jeffrey will be a guest of the Friends of the Stowitts Museum in Pacific Grove on Tuesday, May 8th from 5:30 to 7:30. Admission is free and a reception will follow his presentation. Copies will be available for sale or guests are welcome to bring their own for an author’s signing. Seating is limited and reservations suggested by telephone 831-655-4488 or email the Friends at infoATstowittsDOTorg.
HotFlash @ 44
If you have a Republic Rep, you must know that the Party comes before all else always. You would have an easier time getting a North Korean General to criticise Kim Jong-Il.
AP – President Bush warned Congress Friday that he will continue vetoing war spending bills as long as they contain a timetable for the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq.
Texas Betsy @ 31
There were and we did.
I’m hardcore?? What’s that quote from I’m not ready to make nice?
Still giggling.
Texas Betsy @ 32
Those not chatting w/HRC were on the previous thread, me included. I’ve got no desire to ask her anything.
Kind of taking offense @ the “hardcore” description of FDL. If they want really want hardcore, I can start using my extensive scatalogical vocab I normally keep in check here…
[Mod: they should see the stuff we don’t print]
SOS in MA:
“OT: Where are other FirePups? – check out this earlier post to see (and join?) an unofficial map. At this writing, there’s 415 pins! :) “
I’ve posted my pin…thanks for doing this, it’s a pretty interesting map!
LJ/Aquaria
Left a final note in re: tech school life in my day, in EPU land below .
Hillary Clinton shines in Democratic candidates’ debate
Hillary Clinton emerged as the clear winner from the first debate between the Democratic candidates in the 2008 presidential race – ahead of her main rival Barack Obama – according to those present in the audience.
From today’s Guardian.
Darkine @ 49
Do you ever get the feeling, being here in Texas, that you don’t have any representation in the Senate? It seems like we have to live vicariously through other state’s Senators.
LJ/Aquaria @ 61
I feel that way ALL THE TIME!
I have not changed my opinion of Senator Clinton.
OT and EPU’d, but regardless …
From today’s WaPo’s Capitol Briefing blog:
LJ/Aquaria @ 61
There’s enough of Teddy Kennedy to go around…so please enjoy!
From your Commonwealth fellow Fire Dog.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 54
Great. Then let’s make him do just that.
Make the Pugs vote again and again for endless war without timetables, and make Bush huff and Puff and veto.
The Polls arent going to get any better for him, and the Pugs up for election will get pounded in the ass in ‘08.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 60
I only saw the 2nd half of the debate, but that was not my impression.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 63
Oh, we all know you LOVE her. You have an unwholsome crush on her. Admit it. Her triangulation is HOT!
dakine01 @ 47
Pro’lly not, but it still let’s us AND them know that there are those of us out here who do care and are paying attention.
The petition is going to Bush, not Congress.
I fired off notes to my rep and senators today asking them to vote to over-ride the veto.
Urban Pirate @ 66
Wow! This site is HardCore!
Given the level of passion from the readers of FDL WRT to Hillary, I give her lotsa credit for wading into the Lake. She had to have known how it might have turned out. Conversely, I thought the dirty fucking hippies hanging out here were extremely, ahem, civil.
But now I find out that FDL is a hardcore site! I thought my filters were s’posed to take care of that. *g*
(Well, I guess we do talk about, gasp, breasts once in awhile.)
meep! @ 64
Woo hoo – ya think CSpan might cover this or is that too much to hope for?
Mmmmm. Breasts.
LJ/Aquaria @ 61
That’s why when some of the cr*p starts, I get on the phone to senators in other states where I’ve lived and talk to their people. When the first rumblings about subpoenas from judiciary for Sampson, Goodling, and Abu were coming out, I called Cornyn’s office but also called Kennedy, Shumer, Sessions, Durbin, and others. I have lived in all those states and had no problem stating that I had lived there and still had friends and acquaintances there. Implication is, even though I’m no longer a constitutient, I still talk to those who are.
Every little bit helps.
I don’t think this is an appropriate topic for this blog.
meep! @ 64
Fellow pups can help me out here, but HRC was in pretty good company here at the Lake:
Amb Joe Wilson
John Dean
Howie’s Blue America candidates both before and after election
I’m sure there are more I missed or forgot
Pachacutec @ 75
Which topic? Breasts? Texas senators? Something else?
Brisingamen @ 69
The petition is going to Bush, not Congress.
I fired off notes to my rep and senators today asking them to vote to over-ride the veto.
Harry ain’t dumb. Petition may be going to Bush but I’d bet there will be info gathered about zip code distributions and analysis done on it.
HAHAHAHA! I love it!
Texas senator breasts? Ew.
Dick Cavett on “When the Press Broke Down.”
http://cavett.blogs.nytimes.com/
petedownunder @ 77
John Kerry this week or last.
I think Imus’s firing might actually be bad for Democrats. Talk radio is a farce and the more right wing blowhards that spout off at the mouth the more ultra-conservatives resemble the nutbags that they are.
I missed John Kerry. How was that?
Urban Pirate @ 73
Now you’ve done it!
You’ve gone and upset Ms. Althouse again. That’s just wrong.
To dispel the notion that FDL is hardcore, I resolve to use exclamations like “heavens to betsy,” “jeepers,” and when I’m really, really mad, “FUDGE!”
mc @ 87
Please don’t take my name in vain!
Atikar @ 64
Mmm, thanks. I had a most delicious crush on Teddy through my teen years. ;)
mc @ 87
That’s just fucked up.
Badwater @ 52
I have a very Repub congresswoman, Candace Miller, a most loyal Bushie indeed, and two Dem senators. They all know where I stand because I tell ‘em frequently. If pols can’t read polls I don’t see how a petition that is obviously *not* a representative sample would sway them. GWB won’t read it. So, is Harry wasting *my* time (OJ, only a tiny bit) or his (OK, it’s his staff who are doing it)?
I don’t think this can possibly help, except to make a warm-fuzzy feeling. Like joining hands and saying we believe in fairies. No offense to fairies.
[Got that right. The Margin Faerie]
mc @ 87
Gosh!
cleter @ 85
How about thinking of it as John Kerry missed you.
Thomas @ 84
Which in turn drives drives normal people away in droves. Not too many people want to be associated with that kind of crazy.
Dakine: I answered you back downstairs.
Sen. Chris Dodd, also a Presidential candidate, has also had two separate chats here. And Howie’s list of Blue America candidates is extensive. If I may say, Ms. Akers did little to no research on the blog — as for the “on topic” griping, we did that with Dodd as well and with ever other guest we’ve ever had. It was not new — it’s either that or a free-for-al and I, for one, prefer a conversation with a guest to a pie fight where I learn nothing.
Texas Betsy @ 88
Ah, damn, I already fucked up.
Pachacutec @ 75
* snork! *
Where have I heard that before, polite demurs about appropriate topics for FDL?
Gerstein: “Talk radio has become primarily the province of the right, and the blogosphere is largely the province of the left.”
I’ve heard enough of this nonsense about the Left controlling the blogosphere.
Prepare to release the Blogonators!
[LOL]
cleter @ 81
Hey I am the one who has to take your future president bra shopping this weekend!
Morris Sheppard @ 92
I hate to quote myself but I like Pach’s response better.
Akers is a longtime transmitter of GOP Talking Points. One of Greenwald’s commenters caught her on Tucker Carlson’s show spewing garbage against Pelosi.
Texas Betsy @ 61
I get that too, and I have two Dem senators. One actually responds to my letters as if he has read them, the other sends a form letter that is a stock answer that shows the no one in her office actually read what I wrote. But at least she mostly votes Dem.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 95
That’s why I’m wondering what the problem was with that. These harpies complain when we’re shooting the bull rather than staying on topic, but when we stay on topic we’re…what? Keeping them from coming in and saying, “Die, Hitlery!” every other post?
Morris Sheppard @ 86
Funny that she got her little jab in re: Clinton as well.
Malkin, Atlas, Althouse, and DANGERSTEIN! – god it’s good fun to debate them.
Texas Betsy @ 100
The future Director of the CDC recommends Target.
At least that’s the consensus after bra shopping with her.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 45
Won’t be in my house either. Opportunistic turncoat. But the value of a nice medal-of-freedom ex-CIA director slamming the Bush/Cheney gang is huge. Mainstream media will have him on their gabfests, his book will be center display at Borders (and sell well), and one more nail will be set in the coffin of public opinion. We can keep hating him, but we can use him as well. Drip. Drip. Drip.
LJ/Aquaria @ 95
I saw that. DAY-uhm, y’all really did have a mess. We had a lot of females in squadron but none of that kind of cr*p going on. I think I had already done my time and gotten out by then so that’s why hadn’t heard of it.
Although come to think of if, I was working on some AF projects in the mid-late 80s with some of folks from the regular AF side of Keesler (7th ACCS), and some of them may have mentioned something one day but it didn’t register.
Texas Betsy @ 100
I think she has till 2033 to pick the one to wear to her inauguration.
TeddySF: Petition signed, message sent; thanks!
OT/EPU’d: egregious, thanks very much for the link to Comey’s farewell speech a couple of threads back. Wow.
LJ/Aquaria @ 89
When my brother and I had to clean out my late mother’s house we found in her albums an entire homage to the Kennedy Brothers. She had (when she was about 15 years old) clipped every news article she could find from the Cleveland Plain Dealer as well as pics from Life Mag and others. She also had little notes about how wonderful life would be when these war hero/hunky guys came into power.
I still sort of tear up every time I bring that book out to look thru.
petedownunder @ 109
She is on her own for shopping by then!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 96
We so easily hi-jack threads that you have to enforce SOME discipline, just as a courtesy for the visitor. Or they won’t bother to return and see our smiling faces again and again. ;})
Althouse thinks FDL is hardcore?
Get a grip honey.
I have to hold myself back constantly here.
I have been coming here a while now and can gage about how far the limits are and act accordingly.
Believe me when I tell you that this is some of my best behavior.
That poor thing would faint dead away if I let it rip.
jane_jericho, You’re welcome. Wasn’t that an inspiring speech? And so many hints about the corruption and decay at DoJ.
Charging the faithful remnant to stand firm.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 95
There’s on-topic and there’s on-topic. Mr Dean took all questions so far as I could see, and it wasn’t hardly a pie fight. So do the Blue America candidates. Wasn’t here for Mr. Edwards. We mostly stay relevant just because we want to know. The constraint to pay equity did seem a bit more narrow than the usual ’stay on topic’.
Texas Betsy @ 100
Good Heavens! Land O’ Goshen!
Bustednuckles @ 114
Last night’s Late Night got a tiny bit racy. Entirely not my fault, right Peterr?
Texas Betsy @ 118
I was a witness: you were not entirely innocent either as I recall…
Texas Betsy @
100
After seeing the Moyers thing the other evening, I’ve pointed out a couple of times that Cassie is half the age of Peter Beinart and twice as smart and ethical. May her wisdom keep growing to match her maturity…
HotFlash at 116 — If you had any idea of the disgusting filth that gets moderated when we have guests sometimes, you’d have a much better understanding of why we stick to “on topic.” Some day if we have a guest who doesn’t mind, or maybe some day in just a regular old post, I’ll tell the moderators to take a holiday and turn off all the filters and you all can see just how much work goes into keeping the threads clean and conversational.
[Mod: shudder]
Phoenix Woman is upstairs.
What’s On My Mind
Texas Betsy @ 118
I think it went to hell about the time TRex started blowing kisses. Also, I used theword “pantlessness.” Oh, and Betsy dropped the F bomb.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 121
You seriously, absolutely are the best!
Changing the world, Mrs. Smith. :)
Texas Betsy @ 83
Elizabeth Edwards, KO
Christy Hardin Smith @ 121
Thank you mods!
Christy at 121,
that would be most interesting.
Give a guy a heads up first so I can get my goggles and swim fins.
*g*
Christy Hardin Smith @ 121
Having seen some of the posts on other left blogs, I can just imagine.
oh god, I think I just channelled Harriet Miers.
(((mods!)))
Atikar @ 110
Aw. How adorable!
Those Kennedy guys had a ton of charisma, and an unnatural market cornered on looks. My mom was another Kennedy fangirl, although not quite as far gone as your Mom, since she was of voting age when JFK ran for President (barely!). The Kennedy hunk factor never really left her, though. Not too long ago, she showed me a picture of JFK, Jr. running on a beach in swim trunks, and said to me, “What an incredible man… Why did someone that beautiful have to die? Couldn’t somebody ugly have died instead?” Half of me was appalled that she thought only ugly people needed to die. The other half was laughing her ass off for being such a lech.
Morris Sheppard @ 92
I guess this means no more late night shiteous fuckery ??
Heavens to betsy is good, as is heavens to murgatroid (remember cartoon lion Snaggletooth ?)
My old man’s personal favorite- Well, I’ll be a blue nosed gopher.
And absolutely, thank you, hardworking Mods :)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 121
Christy and Jane, thank you. It’s why I like it here.
LJ/Aquaria @
131
My mother shook JFK’s hand at a campaign rally at the airport in LEX., KY in ‘60 and did not wash her hand for a week solid.
petedownunder @ 119
and what happened to Dr Evil? Not a word from him last night…..Oh Aunt Betsy?
Texas Betsy @ 42
Probably not, but I signed it anyway. I really despise this war.
dakine & Aquaria,
Sorry I didn’t answer you earlier-had to step out for a minute. Answered you re: Keesler AFB back downthread.
lolo @ 135
He is fine but has no internet access. My son joined us for dinner.
I fLJ/Aquaria @ 61
I feel like that too up here in Alaska
Christy Hardin Smith @ 120
OK, OK! I wouldn’t do *anything*, ever to annoy the mods! (except sometimes I forget about zigs). There there, Lurking Mod, it’s OK. But it did seem that the regulars were warned harder than usual to be on their *very* best behaviour and it seemed a little like, um, well we complain about reporters only asking nice questions and it’s not like she’s not running for president of the USA or anything. Just sayin’. So if I took it too literally, that’s why.
Why sign? Because Harry is a good fighter and now is the time to KO BusChen. Harry must deliver the Verdict [of removal] as the Senate Majority Leader. That should happen around September if we keep up the pressure…(imho)
Ahgoo @ 138
That Gravel guy seemed pretty damned, er, darned OK. He’s one of yours, no?
neokneme @ 141
And I have told Harry that I support impeachment of Bush and Cheney and most everybody on down. Maybe we can get get volume rates. But a petition to GWB seems like a wasted shot.
dakine01 and LJ/Aquaria:
My mother never got to see JFK, but we visited the West Side Market in Cleveland the day Teddy came on a campaign stop. We all were able to shake his hand and tell him he had our support. He even signed my brother’s Mad Magazine (we were like 10 and 13).
Atikar @ 147
Best I can do with Teddy is having watched him and Kerry march in a parade when I lived in Waltham, MA. I had Tip O’Neill and Joe Kennedy as my congress critters in those long ago days.
MSNBC goes “hard left” next week with Stepahnie Miller. You can listen to Stephanie Miller online, http://krxa540.com/listen. She is funny but she does have a potty mouth sometimes.
dakine01 @ 148
I voted for both Tip and Joe whilst living in Allston.
Okay, sorry for the triple comments there. Computer went screwy, had to reboot, then connection got screwed up and didn’t see the post. Mods, could you delete me @140 and 145? thanks, and sorry.
Atikar @ 58
me too! thx. I chose an American flag to upload because a. I’m American and b. it’s not a white one and c. I like to confuse people who rely on stereotypes like Dangerstein. I am lovin that name. I hear soundtrack music “stings” whenever I read it now. “Dangerstein is on the loose again…” Dunh, dunh, dunh, dunnnnnnn.
dakine01 @ 133
Heh. That is so goofy. I was at a rally like that for Clinton in ‘92. Let’s say that the lookover he gave of me, and the handshake I got compared to the other people in the crowd, made a lot of folks near me realize those womanizing rumors may be true. He wasn’t vulgar or anything, but…
re Akers: She’s never been down to the press room? My mother had stories about the guys at the newspaper (and later on in the oil field) trying to make her break down in tears. They’d stand just within earshot and use the worst language they knew. (That was in the 40s.)
HotFlash – This may be lost since a new thread is going but yes Mike Gravel is a former Alaskan Senator and former Alaskan Representative. This is from way, way back pre-pipeline days (I’m not sure of the exact dates) but Alaska was just a new state.
Feeling like this is Texas is b/c since pipeline days Alaska is in so many ways just like Texas including Ted Stevens, Frank-I-Have-a-Jet Murkowski and Don Young, congressman for far too long!
Christy and TRex,
In that photo, you are showing evidence of dangerous Canadian influences.
The Royal Tyrell Museum is in Alberta, Canada!!!
No wonder our therapod thinks such outrageous things. He’s been influenced by Canadians. Or perhaps he is a Canadian!!
Bustednuckles @ 114
I know. They say it like it’s a bad thing.
Christy Hardin Smith @
14
T-Rex is Cretaceous…Zell Miller is absolutely PRE-CAMBRIAN. He swims with the bacterial mats!
I think Akers has a HRC complex. Here’s another article from 2006 wrt HRC on Huffington.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..24007.html
Pachacutec @
90
FU D. GErstein!
Ahgoo @ 154
Hmm, anything happening on the FBI investigation yet? Corrupt Bastards hats, I think it was.
Sister Mary Evangela, OP, when really, really mad, would say nertz.
Boy, the Rove-admiring and Likudnik neocon-saluting followers who dwell in D.C. sure do love to hate.
Mrs. Michael Isikoff proves how far Jane’s FDL has come, and how much it now threatens the haters, when the power-serving newspaper at the corrupt center of our federal government starts publicly aiming its wrathful bile in FDL’s direction. Ms. Akers could never even imagine summoning such faux concern and censure for those who instigated and are cheerleading the savage and brutal occupation of an Arab nation; a nation that posed no threat to ours except perhaps the “threat” of asking us to pay for the oil those Arabs own and we covet.
Yet a momentary glimpse of a very short-lived (because quickly withdrawn with apologies) sardonic graphic image on a blog Akers and her powerful friends presumably never read (if their delicate sensibilities are to be taken at face value) is cause for special mention, months after the fact, in the midst of the ongoing horrors we are inflicting on Iraq; horrors that her newspaper’s editors and owners can’t even be bothered to mention, never mind condemn. In short, if the Washington Post is against it, it means it’s worth supporting, and vice versa. Hitler’s hate seems to have passed from many of his targets and their descendants now living in Israel, through America, onto the Arab people as a whole.
When are those in power ever going to learn to stop responding to hate from the powerful with hateful actions directed at those least able to retaliate, just to try to “get even” and thereby pass the buck of hate on down the line? The people in power today are the sort of people who kick the dog (Iraq) instead of confronting the source of hate (Saudi Arabia et al) face to face, and refusing to stand for it or to respond in kind, as soon as it makes itself known (long before 9/11).
FireDogLake doesn’t kick dogs; it confronts and questions the powerful sources of hate face to face. And the dog-kickers, like all secret cowards, hate seeing such decent, courageous (and increasingly visible) behavior challenging their craven cowering to power, however hateful the power may be. The dog-kickers also know that this new sort of power, represented by FDL and other ordinary American citizen-driven blogs, is not a hateful power, and is therefore seemingly safer for the dog-kickers to kick, than would be the hateful power represented by the Rove or Neocon or Wall Street Mobs, whom the dog-kickers choose to worship and obey as a pathetic and desperate result of their own feelings of inferiority and quaking fear of questioning the powerful.
Damn fine post Pow Wow.
Sad it’s in the EPU zone.
Thanks, Bustednuckles. [Better late than never; I wanted to get this one right.]
Bustednuckles @
161
Yep.
Pow wow, I read it after work. Agree. Fine.
Hey, pow wow, that was just swell. Summed up the courtier culture exquisitely. Thanks for posting that.
Hi, I’m circling back too and was happy to see you Powwow. So cool.
Indeed, FDL has been annointed as an Official Threat to the status quo.
Three cheers for sunlight. woof woof woof!
It is just sad you had her here. No one will ever convince me that Clinton is good for us nor that she is anything less than an inside the beltway and corporate pol.
I wish she would just go away and let us retire the dynasty thing and the Bush clinton era of shame.
vwcat @ 167
People should have the opportunity to make that determination for themselves. Jane offered that opportunity to us.
Thanks for all the kind words. My pleasure (and the least FDL deserves), Teddy.