
(Screen grab of Judy Miller on Hardball. Lovely build-up "Iraq Votes" logo you have going there — promoting something with the help of La Diva Judy?)
Watching the Bill Moyers' in-depth exploration of journalists and the run-up to the Iraq invasion was excruciating — and infuriating. I can remember watching so much of this unfold in real time, because I was pregnant with our miracle Peanut and on fairly strict bedrest. So I watched a lot of news — and Oprah, because I needed something to take the edge off every day. (Thank you, Oprah, for every cheery show you ever did.) At the time, I thought it might have been my pregnancy hormones skewing my perspective on the reporting, and poor Mr. ReddHedd would come home from work to me ranting about the lack of follow-up questions at briefings, the lack of substantive questions at Congressional hearings and the decided lack of fiduciary obligation to do their jobs that kept emanating out of the Beltway.
We were careening toward war with Iraq, and only a handful of people in the House and Senate were standing up and saying "Hold on a minute, let's think about this and really look at the evidence rather than be a rubber stamp." (Thank you Ted Kennedy, Russ Feingold, Robert Byrd, Carl Levin and so many others who did this. Thank you so much.)
But watching the Bill Moyers introspection on all of this brought it home all over again (H/T to Tom Shales of the WaPo):
Perhaps the truth shall eventually set you free, but first it might make you very, very depressed. Tonight's edition of "Bill Moyers Journal" on PBS is one of the most gripping and important pieces of broadcast journalism so far this year, but it's as disheartening as it is compelling.
It's always depressing to learn that you've been had, but incalculably more so when the deception has resulted in thousands of Americans dying in the Iraq war effort.
In this 90-minute report, called "Buying the War," Moyers and producer Kathleen Hughes use alarming evidence and an array of respected journalists to make the case that, in the rage that followed the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the media abandoned their role as watchdog and became a lapdog instead.
Exhibit A — the first event recalled in this report — is a news conference by President Bush on March 6, 2003, which Moyers says is two weeks before Bush "will order America to war." The press conference was a sham, with Bush calling only on "friendly" reporters who'd ask friendly questions. The corker was this scorching investigative query: "Mr. President, how is your faith guiding you?"
"At least a dozen times during this press conference," Moyers says, Bush would "invoke 9/11 and al-Qaeda to justify a preemptive attack on a country that has not attacked America." The link between al-Qaeda and Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was never proved and had to be taken on faith, Moyers recalls, as did the administration claim that Hussein had developed, was developing, or might soon develop weapons of mass destruction.
Moyers does not set out to attack anyone himself; instead he tries to find out why journalists — electronic and print — behaved in ways that are supposed to be anathema to a free press in a free nation. The show asks: Did the Bush administration benefit from having an effective collection of accomplished dupers — a contingent that Washington Post investigative reporter Walter Pincus calls "the marketing group" — or did the outrage of 9/11 made the press more vulnerable to being duped?..
Dissent was deemed not only unpatriotic, Donahue recalls, but — perhaps even worse — "not good for business." Most of Moyers's report involves serious, respected journalists who let themselves be swept up in war fever and who were manipulated by the administration sources who had cozied up to them. Instead of investigating administration claims about al-Qaeda and WMDs and such, cable news offered up hours and hours of talking-head television.
Former CNN president Walter Isaacson tells Moyers: "One of the great pressures we're facing in journalism now is, it's a lot cheaper to hire thumb-suckers and pundits and have talk shows on the air than actually have bureaus and reporters."…
Tim Russert, of NBC's "Meet the Press," looks intimidated by Moyers and somewhat unnerved by his questions, but at least he agreed to be interviewed. Among those who declined — and thus became a part of the story more than they already were — are Judith Miller of the New York Times, a reporter who became a relentless drumbeater for war; Times pundit William Safire, who'd predicted that Iraqis would welcome Americans as liberators when they marched into Baghdad; columnist Charles Krauthammer, another hawkish columnist who's usually anything but camera-shy; and Fox boss Roger Ailes.
William Kristol, a conservative columnist who, Moyers says, "led the march to Baghdad behind a battery of Washington microphones . . . has not responded to any of our requests for an interview, but he still shows up on TV as an expert, most often on Fox News."
I can remember being very confused as the Iraq War drums began to beat ever more loudly — because the evidence that we knew about publicly was altogether thin to nonexistent in substance. And yet the softball questions continued — from both the press and members of Congress who ought to have known better than to hype their political hide over their duty to the public — and no one embodied this public scam more than Judy Miller. Her over-the-top hyping of the WMD threats (which were, even at the time, unsubstantiated and knowingly so) were so creepy, because her on-air persona and her writing for the NYTimes was so absolute in its certainty.
Having done graduate work in security studies and had classes through the years with people who have actually looked at these issues for a living, I can honestly tell you that certainty of the evidence on something like this is a dead giveaway that someone is selling you a load of crap.
The White House Iraq Group did an excellent sales job. And the people that should have been the most skeptical fell for it hook, line, and sinker…because it was easier that way on their immediate personal connections, on their reputations, on their corporate bottom line. And on their immediate political aspirations, in the case of far too many elected representatives.
After watching the Moyers special last night, I was infuriated. This morning, sipping my first cup of coffee and trying to make some sense of it all, I'm still angry. So I'm going to watch it again later, with a pot of tea, and see if I can glean something beyond "the truth really, really hurts…all of us."
Digby wonders why it is that the NYTimes had no review of the Moyers special yesterday. I know why: J-U-D-Y. Meanwhile, things must be going even worse in Iraq than we thought, because they've trotted out another Lieberman op-ed to scold all of us for believing our lying eyes and all of our pals and relatives who are facing IEDs in Iraq. (Of course, it would help us all evaluate this mess if the Bush Administration weren't playing the numbers for their own benefit.)
PS — Yay, Jane — halfway through the chemo as of today. Woo hoo! Send some good thoughts Jane's way, gang.



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Morning Christy! Zed?
William Kristol on CSpan, why are they bringing out these neocons? We need to email them, neocons have did enough damage.
Good morning, Christy!
Good morning!1 Massive kudos to Bill Moyers for exposing the TV audience to the Neo-Cons and how the press rolled over.
Perhaps the truth shall eventually set you free, but first it might make you very, very depressed.
Wo, that fits so well with NZ Expat’s observations in the last thread about returning to the U.S.
Do you think Moyers has read Marcy’s book?
And lapdog, isn’t that Boehlert’s term?
How does war benefit Wm Kristol? What are his motives? We need to ask him. Is he making money from it?
Good morning!
Got to meet Howie Klein in person this weekend, and boy was it fun!
Morning Christy,
I feel exactly the same way that you do. This may sound crazy, but I was kind of relieved to be induced because of hypertension 10 days early so that my little one was born before the war started. The insanity was so palpable that all I wanted was for her to be born in a time of peace instead of war because I was so focussed on her and what kind of world I was bringing her into. We barely made it since she was born on 3/15. That may seem crazy to some, but the symbolism was important to me (and still is),
Then, while she was a newborn I watched the world unfold on CNN during all night nursing sessions in the glider. UGH. I want to be able to fix what these *($%ards have done and I want them to pay for ruining our country.
I really enjoyed making her watch ABU squirm while I fixed her hair last week. I got to explain it and tell her all about the bad guys in four year old terms. If she is ever with me and Judy is on TV I can’t imagine what I’ll say….oh yeah, “That’s a lady who lied and was part of the reason that thousands of soldiers have died. Isn’t that awful?”
To a four year old, lying is awful and death is unfathomable and endlessly sad at the same time. If only it were the same for this regime.
sunshine @
6
he’s on c-span right now, and they’re taking phone calls.
The truth is sexy.
The truth is heroic.
The truth is BACK!
Bill Moyers last night was just terrific.
For a while, now, I have thaought that when the history of this period is written, the absolute collapse of the free press as a check on power will be the big story, just as it was during the McCarthy era. I also truly believe that, just as we found out about Reagan’s Alzheimer’s AFTER he left office, we are going to find out about some, shall we say, ‘diversions’ in Bush’s behavior AFTER he’s gone. And of course we’ll get the excuse that the poobahs of press freedom felt that ‘in a time of war, the American Public just couldn’t handle’ whatever facts they’ve been hiding.
Mark my words. I’m old enough that I’ve seen this movie before.
It was exactly that desperation, that brought me to the internet looking for something, anything that would validate my perspective that this administration was controlling the media. I felt it, but couldn’t prove it, waves of information, and no follow up on anything that was anti war, the nagging feeling that people were going to die, for no good reason and that there was nothing I could do to stop it. A nightmare at the time. We went to war on my son’s birthday.
The good of it, was finding this sight and and the next hurrah, that helped me finally sleep at night, knowing that there were other people out there that felt the same way I did. It was such a relief to start being able to read facts that supported my assessments and fears.
It is unbelieveable to me, however, that we are so many years later still having the debate despite the very real facts that tell so many of us that we need to get out of there and that in fact the roman (american empire) might fall due to this administration’s rape of this country’s integrity and honor.
The amount of power that this administration was able to amass is staggering. I pray that we all learn the hard lesson that absolute power corrupts absolutely and that we never again lose the taste for the opposing point of view.
Thanks to this site and many others that have kept my sanity over these very hard last years…and thank God for the blessed Bill Moyers…I love that man!!
Dang. How many times did JudyJudyJudy write about going to war? Were all of them fed to her? This story needs to be told and retold in journalism classes from now on.
sunshine @
2
You can’t, of course, be a serious voice on Iraq unlesss you’ve been wrong about it from the beginning. Jeez.
Another hit and run this morning – off to start my day early – but I want to say thanks for this, best wishes to Jane, and let’s hear it for a press that someday stops cowering in fear and starts letting the chips fall where they may, instead of carrying them to a more popular location.
Hey g’morning all! I will deny myself the pleasure of reading CHS’s post until I watch my happily-for-me DVR’d recording of Moyers’s latest. Just can’t wait!
I’ve always respected him and devoured his every public word. A young cousin of mine is privileged to be one of his Producers (she started out after college as a fact-checker and was quickly promoted to Producer, and left PBS when Tomlinson canned Moyers. She even got into the IMDB with her latest project for him!) and she tells me that in person, Moyers is just as patriotic, decent and brilliant as he appears to be on screen.
P.S. Yesterday I was promoted to Grandpa Level for the first time. My daughter and her son are doing great. To Life — and a better time for our country! Sincerest thanx to FDL and its many denizens for your part in bringing that about. (((FDL))) (((CHS & Peanut))) (((Jane)))
btw, mornin’ Redd. Couldn’t hardly wait to see what you were gonna say today. More please.
“I don’t recall…” Kristol reply on Moyers’ interview request.
gonzo’s ghost
Hugs to Jane! And to Christy. You guys make this ol’ world a better, more joyful place.
And this morning Kristol’s on cspan according to a poster in the last thread…
And CNN’s talking about…Rosie.
Think we’ll see any discussion of this Moyers program on any of the MSM today? Not so much.
And I beg to differ with one point…this is not the most important story of this year for PBS. It is the most important of the millenium.
Hooray Jane!! Sending love and hopeful energy your way.
Did y’all see the Moyers segment about the scripted press conference, where Bush was given specific names to call on? Was that for real? David Gregory was in the audience. Was he called on? I think we should FOIA that list and ask each one of them if their questions were their own.
In talking to coworkers before the war (I work in a very conservative industry in a very conservative part of a very conservative state), I would try to point out the few articles that would get out (usually on page A23) that would refute the administrations case for war. That was always followed by charges of “the liberal media” being against the war from the start.
When I would then point to all the rah-rah articles, I got “if the liberal media is for it, then don’t you think maybe you’re wrong?”
Absolute insanity.
“I’d rather be mad with the truth than sane with lies.” anon quote
I am equally infuriated about the fact that the MSM has never put the Drum away. I was really pleased when Moyers took the time to point out that all the Faux experts who were completely wrong as well as being complicite in perpertrating this fraud are still regulars on the TEE VEE News shows!
I strongly recommend rthat anybody with some time to kill skim through the
many pages of reader comments on the Broder and Lieberman Op-Eds in today’s WaPo.
Hilarious.
TiredFed @ 20
Per Dan Froomkin yesterday, the list of reporters was a fact. However, Bill Moyers indicated that all of them were “friendlies,” and he (Dan) knew that at least some of the questions were challenging according to the transcript. That assertion from Moyers seemed to make Dan uncomfortable.
Congratulations to new Grandpa S.O.S.!!
Details please.
What can I say but…H.R. #333: http://alternet.org/blogs/video/#51028
Followed closely by…April 28th: http://www.a28.org/
HAVE A NICE WEEKEND!
((((Jane))))
((((Esten))))
Good Morning Christy and Firedogs,
Perhaps the truth shall eventually set you free, but first it might make you very, very depressed
which is why I haven’t watched it yet – I know I’ll need a couple hours to hike it, bird it, scream it off
S.O.S. – how about that grandbaby ?
Tired Fed – scripted press conference ? my first blog name was Bianca. . .why do you ask ???
((((((CHRISTY))))))
((((((JANE)))))))
I remember in the fall of ‘02, driving every weekday a 200-mile roundtrip, to help my daughter with her pre-eclampsia pregnancy. 13 weeks.
I remember driving north from Fargo on I-29 and beating my hand against the steering wheel hearing the authorization vote. Props to Senator Conrad.
I remember 3 weeks after our grandson was born-a tad early but healthy-we learned in one day my husband had both CLL and PAD.
I remember we watched “shock and awe” begin from the cancer infusion center.
I remember. And I will tell my grandchild.
I remember telling everyone;
“we have satellites that can count the hair on a mans arm, there is no way this country has weapons so powerfully and with enough range that it is a danger to our country and we don’t have hard proof to show it”
I don’t know if the people that knew the war was a marketing campaign not a threat drink different water, I don’t know if we breath different air but nobody that was against the war had any doubt the administration was lying to get us there
my dad said;
“the president is just rattling sabers to get what he wants, he won’t take us into war”
I said to all my friends that if this were indeed true, if the president was ‘rattling sabers” in a case strategy of “brinkmanship” then I would applaud his strategy since it was effective in getting inspections renewed
however I added the addendum that I did not believe the president was intelligent enough to have that purpose as his agenda
sadly, I was correct, my dad was disappointed, my Friends thought I was nuts and we had to go into Iraq, and here we are today
there is a clip somewhere and we really HAVE to find it
it’s a clip of the president saying;
“I know we have to find the wmds and there will be consequences if we don’t”
we need to find that clip and start spreading it around
William Kristol is doing everything in his power to invalidate Bill Moyers on Washington Journal. In fact, Kristol said he would debate him.
Christy, I posted a comment last night, where I ask for some legal help on an issue in my state. The aide to Rodney Alexander mentioned multiple times in the House Invetigative Subcommittee report on Mark Foley is running for LA Attorney General this fall. According to the report, he violated Clause 9 of Rule 23 of the House Rules, and he fabricated witnesses, authored paniced emails to Denny Hastert’s former aide when the media rediscovered the Foley scandal and he even mentioned the potential political fallout to the family of the page who was harassed by Foley. There are so many other violations of the law reported in that report, and I have not had my coffee yet. Here is the diary, and I would really appreciate any legal advice any of the experts can provide here. And there is also a sexual harassment case embroiled in all this.
http://www.dailykingfish.com/s…..diaryId=41
To give you a basic summary, Royal Alexander, Rodney Alexander’s (R-LA-05) former, and I emphasize former, Chief of Staff, to whom he is not related, did everything within his power to impede the investigation, and the House Subcommittee nailed him. Because there is so much corruption in Washington, this will not get attention, but this freak now wants to be state Attorney General? I guess I am asking for help. But rigorous legal analysis will also be appreciated, and I know I can get it from readers here.
Please advise, and thank you for what you do.
TiredFed @20
I’m less interested in David Gregory as a possible part of the script than I am Jimmy/Jeff Guckert/Gannon.
How emblematic, a veritable cancer smack in the middle of the White House press gaggle, and nobody, NOBODY in the corporate-owned media said a damned thing about it. There he is, an easily vetted fifty-dollar-two-day-journo-cert man-whore, soft-balling questions to the POTUS within mere feet of the same, tolerated by both the corporate media with whom he allegedly competes and by the Secret Service.
Moyers didn’t touch on this, had plenty to discuss without going here — but Jimmy/Jeff remains a symbol of everything that was and still is wrong with the corporate-owned media.
Only Jon Stewart addressed the issue of Jimmy/Jeff…equally emblematic.
I don’t know if a FOIA was ever filed asking about Jimmy/Jeff — but the deliberate avoidance of handing over sign-in/sign-out records at the White House had as much to do with this issue as it did Jack Abramoff. And I’d still like to know if Jimmy/Jeff was a plant by the White House, or if he was a plant of a foreign nation.
“Thank you Oprah, for every cheery show you ever did”? Including the endless paeans to the criminal Bush? Indeeed.
cbl. I take it the name wasnt a paean to Bianca Jagger. explain?
g’ morning, all… missed last night’s Moyers, much to my dismay…
the coffee is ready and Condi is going to defy Waxman’s subpoena.
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 32
he will refuse or only debate at fox or on his terms
kristol is a moron, he has been nothing but wrong yet fox marches him out as if he’s an expert
[warning, run on sentence about to unfold]
well, he’s an expert on failure but he’s a military moron and man I would love to see that debate…only moyers has to be aggresive in his claims and not defer to anything krystol makes believe he knows becuase krystol knows less then nothing about the prosecution of war or national security
If you get a chance, please pass on my best regards and hopes for well-being to Ms. Hamsher. In my clumsy way I can finally say I’m so sorry. I hope you get better.
Steve Gilliard is really sick too, and I haven’t been able to say anything about him either. It seems rude and obtrusive to barge in on their space and have some total stranger relate to something so personal and distressing.
I talked to my cousin MD about giving a kidney for Steve. It wouldn’t work and I didn’t know how to write it, so I haven’t done anything. I don’t know what to do for Mr. Gilliard except hope and pray he gets better every morning. Sometimes before Jane Hamsher, sometimes after.
Here I am again, precisely ten minutes in pre-dawn darkness before getting my ass in gear for one hell of a 11 hour day, hoping Jane gets better. I hardly know what to say, it’s so fucked up.
You ever need anything on the left coast bay area ca, Ms. Hamsher, just drop us a line. I think about you every morning, have a for a long time, and we’ve got your back. I apologize for being so rude for talking about it, but…you ever need anything, anything at all out here, please let me know.
I’m sorry I didn’t say anything before. We love you and care about you. Please get better. Please have a day of peace.
Good morning, Pups! A big hug to Jane. I just passed my two year survivor anniversary a few weeks ago. I hope that you are feeling well. Half-way through is a great thing. I’m thinking of you with love.
Too bad this program was not on network, where more folks would have had their eyes opened to the lies and distortions that many of us who watched, were already aware of. For me the jaw dropper was the casual admission by the EOC (?) of the WAPO, that they had dtopped “truth squading” the whitehouse sometime during the Reagan administration- abdicating that responsibility to the Democrats. WOW! That’s when it all happened. That is when they handed the Republicans the axe of partisanship to grind endlessly against Democrats who dared to point out their lies and hypocracy. It was juat easier than taking flack from thier readership and beltway blowhards. As casual as that… it blew me away.
finally got to the end of the post. well done Christy and many hugs to Jane. Have you tried candied ginger? My mom-in-law says it works wonders (she’s all done with her therapy for now).
Greetings all.
I’m an Aussie teaching in China and have been on the left of the political spectrum ever since my appearance in court in 1966 as a nervous conscientious objector defying the draft and I answered the magistrate’s, ‘have you anything to say?’ with ‘all wars will cease when men refuse to fight’. Of course, it was devastating to receive the later news that I had failed the medical – probably ‘not the army type’.
This current (mal)administration in Washington frightens the pants off me, as I eagerly await November 2008 for some relief. maybe that’s too far away and war with Iran will be a last throw of the dice for George the Smaller.
Now, back to the thread: I have read some good reviews about Bill Moyer’s Journal about The US media’s acquiescence to the WH pitch for War on Terror, War with Iraq (war on Liberals) and would like to know where I can download the video or at least a transcript. Any firepups with some help?
To close, I would just like to mention that this site is like a breath of fresh air from all the MSM tripe that, obviously, Bill Moyers is attempting to expose. Like many, I found FDL during the Libby trial.
It’s good to meet a few ‘fellow travellers’ in America. I was afraid that they’d all disappeared chasing ‘The American Dream’ or nightmare, as you please.
Leave you alone now.
Tired Fed,
just before Katrina – there was a press conference and the Chimp, from a list on the lectern, kept calling on ‘Bianca’ – and there was no Bianca . . . it was obvious to all that he didn’t have the right list of pre-selected willing meat puppets for that particular presser
CNN talkers Phillips and Ware this morning casually talked about the reason we went to war was to build that shining democracy in the middle east….
NOT.
runcible at 42 — Welcome — feel free to stop by any time. If you click thru on the Moyers link in the post, it takes you to the website for the show — and that has quite a few bits and pieces, although I don’t think a full transcript is as yet available. Hope that helps!
I did not do justice to the diary I mentioned in my previous diary. That man Royal Alexander should be investigated, and he needs to be investigated now. The proprietor of the blog at which I write, who is an LSU student, agrees that I have uncovered very damaging evidence, but all this was swept aside during the transition between Congresses and all the new problems we have discovered now that we have subpoena power. But this Royal Alexander essentially refused to disclose the Foley emails to the House Clerk, and he was misleading everyone about their contents. Just read the diary. It gets worse and worse, and I did not expect to find all this when reading the House Subcommittee Report, and the newspaper summaries of that report did it absolutely no justice.
Here is the link, and please, attorneys, please advise. Now I need my coffee, and I will remain on topic.
And yes, Bill Kristol is an idiot. He even called Moyers an apologist for the Vietnam War. Fox News at its best.
Jane–you are awesome. If I had half of what you had I’d be a very happy camper and consider myself very successful. Feel good sister.
Redd, I’m not so much angry (or at least not more angry, I’m pretty much mad as hell already and have been for about 6 years now), as I am elated that Bill Moyers finally was able to get the story out in something like MSM. I wish the rest of the folks in MSM had the guts to follow his lead, but at least someone besides Keith O, John S. and Bill Maher is hitting back. Wonder how long it will take to swiftboat Bill Moyers.
Hey, wait, runcible, don’t go…come back! We’d love to have you join in the conversation more often.
OldCoastie @ 36
‘Buying the War’ in 5 parts: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/watch.html
If MSM can’t bring itself to apologize for being the lemmings that marched us off to the Iraq war, they can make it up now, to a degree. If they just skim these progressive/liberal blogs, they will find plenty of facts to begin housecleaning this corrupt Bush Regime. The holier than thou reporter elites can restore the faith of the people by calling a lie a lie.
cbl @ 43
oh that’s hilarious. I just cant stand to watch or listen to him, so I missed that. recall the backdrop and the klieg lights.
Prairie Sunshine @ 44
Hey Prairie. I was so disappointed in Michael Ware this morning (I don’t expect much from Kyra.) In particular, he chimed in with Kayra that leaving Iraq would be a big disaster. But staying in Iraq is a big disaster. It seemed to me that Kyra and Ware were parroting Bush talking points. Arrgh
allan_in_upstate @ 24
Tnx Allan, I just added my two cents and I feel better. Sure hope those miserable cretins read the comments on their boli.
OldCoastie @ 36
woo hoo. next steps? I say she would look good in a size 2 orange jumpsuit.
I remember that Bianca press conference. Bianca Davie of Bloomberg News…another friendly.
snip
At the beginning of a press briefing at the Pentagon today, George W. Bush took a few relatively tough questions about Hurricane Rita, the administration’s failure to capture Osama bin Laden and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, what he’s going to cut to pay for Hurricane Katrina and why it’s taking so long to secure Iraq’s border with Syria. Just as it seemed that the president needed the breather that a friendly, Jeff Gannon-style query might provide, Bush called for a question from someone named Bianca.
There was silence.
“Nobody named Bianca?” Bush asked. “Well, sorry Bianca’s not here. I’ll be glad to answer her question.”
When another reporter — someone who wasn’t Bianca — offered to ask a question in her stead, Bush said he was “just trying to spread the joy around of asking a question.” A minute or two after that, a female reporter tried to put a question to the president.
“Are you Bianca?” Bush asked.
“No I’m not,” she said, “Anita — from Fox News.”
“OK,” Bush said. “I was looking for Bianca. I’m sorry.”
TiredFed @ 55
did you like that part about how she can’t testify because of a separation of powers? very clever!
Amen to all of the points by CHS. And furthermore, why is the canard that if a Democrat is elected president the US will be attacked again, recently repeated by Giuliani, left unchallenged by the MSM? What evidence supports this? And more obvious, when the MSM repeats such nonesense why can’t the report also include the obvious, that a Republican was in the Oval Office on 9/11, he ignored dozens of warnings, allowing the US to be attacked.
runcible-
PBS usually posts transcripts for its programs within 24 hours of broadcast – it should be posted here sometime today
Moyers transcript
equally compelling companion piece
Frontline: the dark side
suggest y’all read some of the bonus interviews in light of Tenet’s upcoming media splash
Watching the people who were right (KR, Kennedy), but drowned out by the megaphone (or truth bashers) – and the Oct 8th (leak, and then send 3 -4 people out to refrence the leak – dick, rice, rummy) bullshit was crazy. Then you could see that Oct. 8th was the day it was sealed for delivery. 3rd I think would be watching the dems position after the “public” “decision” (Oct 9, Kerry; Oct 10 H Clinton).
Jim at 58 — Olbermann had a great commentary on the Guiliani malarky. C&L has the video and it’s quite good.
Did my comment not register? No one is responding… I guess I have to be a blog celebrity to get a response. What is the point of even participating if no one pays attention?
First, my good thoughts go out to Jane.
I’ve taped the Moyers’ program and will watch it the first chance I have. I expect my frustration will exceed that of what I felt while the criminality was in the planning stages.
This morning McCain was warmongering on ABC. The MSM will give their American Idol every opportunity to do this as long as he draws a breath. Our country will not survive if another Republic president succeeds the failure we now have.
{{{{{paradox}}}}}
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 62
It’s 6am on the west coast where a lot of our readers are, and still coffee into brain time for many of the rest of us.
Ironically I was going to respond to your earlier comment except that I had gotten up to pour myself a second cup. Have mercy.
I think you’re onto something really big and strongly encourage you to keep at it.
Just got back from the WP comment page. David Broder is being skewered for his article comparing Harry Reid to Alberto Gonzales. You almost feel pity for Mr. Broder. Obviously, the beltway has cut off oxygen to his head.
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 62
i just didn’t have anything useful to say… sorry.
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 62
http://www.westegg.com/unmaint…..iends.html
ccmask @ 56
Which begs the question: After bloggers cracked open the Jimmy/Jeff story and his role within the Talon News-GOPUSA-CNSNews-Media Research network, who were the next plants? And by who, I mean what else do we know about them beyond their name — were they qualified to be in the White House press gaggle? Who put them on the “script”? What questions were asked and answered by the next plant(s)?
Not only did the corporate-owned media not perform its role as the Fourth Estate, but it subverted our democracy willfully by enabling propagandistic actions against the American public.
ccmask – kewl !
paradox -Welcome. many of us find ourselves in the same boat wrt Jane’s privacy – all snark aside, we really are a civil, well mannered bunch
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 62
Be careful what you wish for!
pointecoupee at 62 — Well, for one thing, a rude attitude isn’t exactly helpful. I was reading the information you linked up — because I thought informing myself on your perspective before answering the question so that my response was based on facts and other information rather than speculative junk might be more useful.
Try contacting local reporters with the information that you all have found, both print and television. Oftentimes if you can interest an investigative reporter in something like this, it can get more traction. I’d start with folks at the Times-Picayune — they’ve been doing some great investigative work on corruption issues in the area of late.
Also, try getting folks in your local Democratic groups or DFA or otherwise to write letters to the editor about this to push the story. Keep blogging about it, too — you’d be surprised how much traction you can get just by continuing to dig into information and presenting it, piece by piece, fact by fact. That’s how we started on the Plame investigation and look where that went. *g*
Could not stand to see that smug face of Bill Kristol on CSpan this AM – hell of a way to start the day. The woman that called to say the families have reached a breaking point, she slept with a phone under her pillow & her kids were afraid to answer the door, brought me to tears. To paraphrase Kristol’s reply, well war is hard.
OldCoastie @ 36
They didn’t show it in Georgia!
OldCoastie says
April 26th, 2007 at 5:57 am
TiredFed @ 55
OldCoastie @ 36
g’ morning, all… missed last night’s Moyers, much to my dismay…
the coffee is ready and Condi is going to defy Waxman’s subpoena.
woo hoo. next steps? I say she would look good in a size 2 orange jumpsuit.
did you like that part about how she can’t testify because of a separation of powers? very clever!
oh no she di’int! Does she forget who confirmed her and who can can her ass? Did she forget the little clause that says “all civil officers” can be impeached? Lying to Congress is a high crime in my book.
cbl @ 70
Ha!
The Kristols & rest of the extremists who have led this country off a cliff are soul suckers. They are gleefully sucking the soul right out of this country. Sick bastards.
The best thing that could happen is that they be vehemently ridiculed & thoroughly discredited until just naming any one of the culprits responsible for the mess we are in causes immediate derisive laughter. This time we can’t let the bad seeds go underground for a couple of decades & then resprout in another administration to invade & wipe out the native species which would be us, real americans.
That Malkin vid seems to be typical of wingnut “humor”. They don’t even have the sense or embarrassment to know how truly awful in every sense their productions are. The more trouble the adm & republic party is in the more hysterical & off the wall are the wingnut reactions. The more americans see these meltdowns, the better.
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 62
well, first of all, IANAL, but the best way to win friends is to be polite. I find the story intriguing, but see no link. Is it over at your site?
Tired Fed – seems that Condi is feeling that Waxman is being pester-y… she sez she already answered those questions and she just doesn’t feel like answering them again.
Wapoo article – down at the bottom of the 1st page.
There’s a simple explanation for the breakdown in the delivery of truth that led to the Iraq war and so many other failures of the Bush Administration:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
I said last night that when a journalist goes with the flow in a time of war, it is time for a career change. How can we believe any of these people? Evidently, it doesn’t matter because they are still selling the war daily. Their time is almost up.
When the hurricane hit Condi was shopping for a sandbag to match her shoes.
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 46
What Christy said at 72.
You also need to create a dedicated blog that follows this character; work with other progressive bloggers in your state to cross-link to each other and drive up traffic. If you know others who’d be willing to help, ask them to start a blog on the same topic and cross-link as well, to create more critical mass.
As others you’ve recruited through DFA, Progressive Dems of American, local Dem Party begin to write letters to the editor, feature them in your blog as well.
Don’t be afraid to use mixed media — it also helps. YouTube is your friend. Embed productions in your blog.
And try using humor; if you can’t, find somebody who is very much gifted in this area and ask them to try their hand at it. Use of humor was one of the most important aspects when taking on a certain former gubernatorial candidate in our state; he was already a laughingstock, but the humorous approach made it clear the man was not fit to be governor.
raven @
74
Too bad, Suxby Chumpbliss might have learned something.
-GSD
egregious @ 64
Hi pointecoupeedem, I am reading this but IANAL and I don’t see any of the lawyernames here just now. I’m thinking TeddySanFran might be able to help with this, he knows a lot abt Congressional procedure, but he’s Pacific time zone and won’t be up for a bit.
And, just to prove that I have been paying attention, you used to be louisianagirl. You had some dynamite and in-depth info on the LA by-election back in Nov(?) and we talked about you blogging it. Glad to see you blogging at Daily Kingfish — good post. This kind of thing keeps up we might just save this country ;)
Pls give the good folks here time to ingest some cafe and put some attention units on your question. It is not one I’ve seen come up before and may require a bit of research for even experts in the field.
Too bad, Suxby Chumpbliss might have learned something.
-GSD
Him and Barrow probably squashed it.
Perris@37
kristol is a moron, he has been nothing but wrong yet fox marches him out as if he’s an expert
No, he’s not a moron. This is all much more devious than that. The key part of their strategy was to get the war started by any means necessary so the money would start flowing to Haliburton, etc.
Then they could trot out the line “Forget how we got in Iraq, we’re there now” and more no bid contracts could be handed out.
Kristol and his buddies have the blood of hundreds of thousands of people on their hands including over 30,000 dead and wounded American soldiers.
These are horrible, horrible people, but thankfully because of Leahy, Waxman & Conyers the bill (certainly no pun intended) is coming due.
Last, and certainly not least, all the best to Jane. I can’t overstate how important this place has been to my sanity.
Please get well, and stay well. We need you!
TiredFed @
78
I do not believe I said anything impolite. And if I did, I have not had my coffee, so please do not blame me. http://www.dailykingfish.com/s…..diaryId=41
It is long, and it is my attempt to pick apart the report. I honestly did not think anything was there, but when I found what was in there, I freaked out. I was trying to refute Republican talking points on the guy, as all of us in LA know he was involved with Foley and with an unrelated sexual harassment case in Rodney alexander’s office, but what is in that subcommittee investigation report is huge. i know he voilated clause 9 of rule 23, although the committee last december let that fall through the filter, but because I am not an attorney, I do not know to what extent this man violated the law.
But that subcommittee report does nail Rodney Alexander’s office to the wall. But again, with all the other problems we have, I think we just accepted Foley’s resignation and a few election gains and moved on. The LA GOP, however, wants this man to be our state AG. It cannot happen.
I am irritable, as I spent seven hours working through this, and this is not my expertise. This is why I am seeking some kind of input from those who have dealt with this. The evidence is in my diary, as I transcribe large passages from the Subcommittee report, but I guess I do not know how to interpret from a legal perspective. But as an informed citizen with a rudimentary understanding of the law, I know he broke it.
Thanks for your patience with me.
ccmask @ 82
Do not even get me started.
From a diary at dailykos:
Watching C-Span this morning I saw WILLIAM kRISTOL try to defend his hopeless position.
But when confronted about the PBS special last night Kristol went on the defense claiming he did not watch the special, but seemed to know enough about the shows content to immediately begin berating Moyers.Kristol concluded his comments with repeated calls to debate Moyers LIVE on C-Span anytime. ALL I can say is :
BRING IT ON !!!
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..8331/30603
Some Americans weren’t fooled by these warmakers. Remember this beautiful line, delivered right in front of George W. Bush by Rev. Joseph Lowry.
We know now there were no weapons of mass destruction over there. [Standing Ovation] But Coretta knew and we know that there are weapons of misdirection right down here. Millions without health insurance. Poverty abounds. For war billions more but no more for the poor.
-GSD
Would encourage peeps to read Naomi Wolf’s Guardian article on the 10 Steps necessary to transform an open society to a closed society, i.e. democracy to fascism. So many Americans are blissfully unaware at what is being perpetrated on their country by these authoritarians in the government, media and business. Truly frightening.
OT and possibly repetitive but in a hurry to get out the door: just saw Ms. Akers column at the Washington Post, which included reference to Ms. Clinton’s posting at FDL yesterday. Wish I could link. I will acquire the skill asap.
HotFlash @ 85
Ah. That’s right.
pointecoupeedem, we’ve been through how to do this before, but in regards to the Nov.’06 election. Same instructions apply if you want more eyeballs to read up on this.
edit: Question to FirePups with law enforcement/legal background — does this sound like a qui tam?
Bluetoe @ 92
Got a link?
-GSD
HotFlash @ 85
Thanks. We have big, big problems down here. And I mean big. It is not pretty, and I sometimes wonder if I am just a drop in an ocean where a GOP wave is going to swamp us. And now they want a man who sexually harassed a staffer while giving Foley cover serving as our state AG. Do I am a reason to be just a bit confused and upset? Did someone turn the world upside down yesterday, or am I just warped?
Rayne @ 94
Sorry, but I do not know all the shibboleths, and I did not receive the secret manual.
No, the world has been turned upside down. Dig up the lyrics to Sympathy for the Devil. That was a one Rove’s guides.
-GSD
Morning all!!
this maybe so obvious it’s not worth mentioning, but at least in my area, the local PBS station always re-broadcasts stuff like the Moyers show; I missed last night too, but it’s airing again 4/28 at 1:30pm and 5/1 at 3:30am (if you’re in the NYC area, that is!) and I’ll be taping for sure!
so if you missed the 1st broadcast, check your local PBS outlet for re-broadcasts.
cheers, all
Rayne @
83
Thanks. I will pass all this on. The blog is two weeks old, and I did not expect to hit something this big. And the LA blogosphere is atomized, but I will try.
Diane @
73
Yes, war is hard, Bill. War is hell, which is why it should be avoided in favor of listening to UN inspectors.
It’s especially hard for armchair warriors like yourself who never had to fight in one. It was so hard to listen to all our bitching, wasn’t it, when you just knew how right you were on going to war w/Iraq.
Sorry, but watching Moyers last night brought it all back again- the endless marches & demonstrations (I particularly remember one in a drenching storm in downtown L.A., where Ron Kovic & others spoke so eloquently). That march wasn’t worth 1 min. on the evening news here, though there were easily 50,000 attending…
GSD, I love the Suxby Chumpbliss
sunshine @
6
Sunshine — Look up something called “A Clean Break – A Strategic Plan for the Realm”. It was written in 1996. You will be intrigued by the names, and all the others not named whom we now know stand with them. What Kristol thought he was achieving was the destruction of Iraq on behalf of Israel, a proxy war to remove a strategic threat. “They” probably could not conceive the possibility that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld et al could be so inept at managing the Occupation.
GSD @ 91
THX for the memories… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAPazgULt-k *Rev starts @ 1:50
GSD @ 95
Sorry about not including the link.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/…..57,00.html
Did anyone call?
-Tim Russert
sunshine @ 6
I’ve wondered this for some time. He wants, so badly, for us to attack Iran. Even when everyone is saying that we don’t have the troops etc. he still beats that drum.
I’ve decided that he wants to break the US Military and leave Blackwater with all the power. No proof of this, but what else could it be?
GSD — I have heard some rumbles that John Sununu’s folks are getting worried about his internal numbers in advance of the 2008 election — even though the state Dems have not identified anyone to run against him as yet. (Lots of speculation about Shaheen, but she hasn’t publicly bitten that I’ve heard.) You hearing anything like this on the ground up there? What I’m hearing is that his stance on Iraq and his ties to several Bush rubber stamp votes are really cutting into his base in a huge way and that they are contemplating an “I’m such an independent thinker” style campaign (modeled perhaps after the McCain run in 2004?!?). Anyway, just wondering if you or any other NH readers have heard anything on this?
Lou Costello @
68
Christy Hardin Smith @
72
Thanks. So instead of dealing with it all at once, which I did, and now I am irritable and a bit overwhlemed, just pick the report apart one passage by one passage, one day at a time. I will do that. And thank you for giving me some advice from the Plame experience. This is what I am after.
T-P is a mixed bag, but I will definitely try. There are other newspapers too. And I guess I can blog hop and alert others in the LA blogosphere. We have one, but as it is Louisiana, each one is a bit obsessive and somewhat solipsistic.
Thanks for this advice. You are right that I need to move section by section and very slowly, because when I happened upon all the findings in that report, and especially the subtle charge that he violated Clause 9, Rule 23, I literally flipped. In fact, I felt as if I uncovered something illegal. Again, I have never done this before, and I am ready to take advice from Big Bird or Thibodaux and Boudreaux.
Thanks again.
Rayne @
83
Humor. Are you referring to Brecht’s notion of Spass?
dougR @ 99
also, moyers has been podcasting audio (both “now” and “bill moyers jounal“)
i’m subscribed to both and last night’s show has already showed up in my itunes.
Solai @ 107
Kristol is not motivated by money per se but by ideology.
Good Morning,
Thanks Christy, great post. I’m sorry I missed the show, but I did hear Moyer’s on Fresh Air the other night. he used the word collusion several times regarding press (specifically NYT and Meet the Press) and it’s relationship with the administration, Terri Gross asked him if this might be to harsh a word, and he replied emphatically and unequivically – “NO”. I’m so glad he’s back on.
Two questions –
Did he address the issue of Bush’s claim that the weapons inspectors had not been allowed to do their job? I don’t remember when Bush first made this claim, but I do remember going apoplectic when he did. He just kept repeating it as though it were fact, and it has become part of the whole twisted narrative that sent us to war.
Also, on C& L this morning ther’e a video up of Jack Murtha discussing the Iraq Accountability Bill. It’s here if you haven’t seen it yet. He mentions that a Republican presidential candidate joked about putting an IED under someone’s desk. Does anyone know who that candidate is? Rat Bastard.
I was in London for the lead up to the war and I couldn’t believe that the country was going along with it. Nobody in England wanted the war. Nobody there believed the evidence. Bush kept saying they had WMD and they knew where, but when Hans Blix asked for a location, they said it was secret. They had the biggest anti-war demonstration ever in England.
And then I came back to America a week before the war and turned on the TV and then I understood. Except for 60 Minutes, which was fairly skeptical, every other outlet was for the war. They all had flags waving. You know. It was crazy. But I don’t know if it was just the media. Everyone went a little crazy after 9/11, but I think it was a large part because Bush and co stirred up fear for their own purposes instead of trying to heal and fix the real problems.
The fact that the country was so divided didn’t help, and was basically done by Bush and Rove.
Rayne @
94
Okay. Sorry. Please accept my apologies. I am a perfectionist, and I do not want to ruin this. Sorry if my irrational desire to attribute importance to this surfaced in a not so appealing manner. The apology is sincere, and I have no way of knowing if I can express with a regimented script on a pixelated screen.
Just getting to the Lake.
Hello Jane!
Much love.
To CHS at 61. KO nails it as usual.
I for one think the D’s SHOULD campaign on the issue of the R’s flat-footedness, especially in the upcoming debate on the supplemental budget and beyond.
OT
As a followup to the “bee colony collapse disorder” thread a while back, the SF Chronicle has a page one story this morning: UCSF Scientist Tracks Down Suspect in Honeybee Deaths.
Others think he’s wrong, but (as he says), what he’s found sure is interesting.
I was pregnant with my son (miracle baby too)at the same time. I too felt so alone — why wasn’t there more people and media questioning this insane idea of a pre-emptive strike!!! My hormones only made the mental anguish worse.
I only got to view the beginning of Moyers show because I was so tired last night — but I will catch it in a rerun. What I saw was excellent, but infuriating to watch also.
If anyone here is an Edwards fan, he has a petition online calling for Rove to be fired! He is going to announce this tomorrow at the first presidential debate. Please consider stopping by and sign his peitition. Here’s the link:
Fire Rove
And the antiwar kids (I am following Rayne’s advice), did Woolsey and McNulty offer explanations for their votes yesterday?
TiredFed @ 75
lol at the sista-girl impression, there o.c. . .
okay — so, in the covington & burling
failed stall-mail of yesterday to rep.
henry waxman, there were, as irony
would have it, ONE or TWO very useful
tidbits — i.e., the r.n.c. servers
have already been imaged. . .
now, my very strong hunch is that if there
was any shell-game afoot in the announcement
of steven j. bloch’s office of special counsel
hatch act investigation on monday, the game
was over before it got started. note that
it has been “several days” since stroz
friedberg l.l.c. began its imaging efforts. . .
morning christy — great post! — those days
leading to the war were maddening for us all,
i think. . . i too missed moyers, though. . .
During the period between August 2002 and the beginning of the Iraq War in late March 2003, the web was alive with warnings about the intentional disinformation being orchestrated out of the WHIG, Pentagon and wherever. All the Knight-Ridder articles were referenced at the site whatreallyhappened.com. The site commondreams.com kept me informed on the reality, almost in real time. Even though I was able to buy Scott Ritter’s book which told the true story, at Fred Meyers in October 2002, ALL the networks, including Moyers’s PBS, boycotted Ritter during the final four months before the war.
Before the war, the site counterpunch.com featured in-depth essays on the backgrounds of many of the main neo-cons, some of whom like Kristol and Krautheimer, we’re still having to endure – almost without question.
Moyers didn’t compare the amount of accurate information available to us from the foreign, especially British, press during the seven-month run-up, though he did take a couple of good examples from British TV – on the “Dodgy” Dossier.
The bottom line on Moyers’s show last night – An outstanding piece of journalism, three years too late.
Quzi at 119 — FYI, the Dem debate is this evening. Wouldn’t want you to miss it. :)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 123
Where? Please remind me.
. . .and wanting to outdaddy Daddy (gawd, that sounds disgustingly familiar)
not so fast on the whole country divided thing – I will always remember the figure 62% polled telling the Chimp he couldn’t go to Iraq without the UN – but we would all agree it headed downhill fast from there;)
OT, but would be interested in whether or not this definition fits Karl Rove as well as other Republicans? The quote is by Marcus Cicero
”A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.
An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the
traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys,
heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in
accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the
baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and
unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can
no longer resist. A murder[er] is less to fear.”
senate (cspan-2) will be debating the conference report of the iraq war/occupation supplemental funding bill this morning…. and then voting at (i think) about 12:30.
Quzi @
119
I am an Edwards supporter, in that he is my favorite TODAY, but do we have a report from the internal investigation, or is Edwards basing this on Iglesias and other scandals? This new investigation should be interesting. Or do you think Bush will quell it?
GSD @
95
Guardian Unlimited. Just Google it.
selise @ 127
Thanks. I missed the House yesterday, as I was a bit busy with something else. But I enjoy Senate debates more, although it is more and more resembling the House.
Anyone have a sense of whether Rice is likely to get away with blowing off the subpoena?
Christie:
You have a stronger stomach then I do. I watched the first few minutes of the show and was afraid I would get so angry that I would trash the TV.
I was a teen during McCarthy, but was well educated about him by my Dad. Like you I spent the run-up to the war as an unbelieving spectator with deja-vous about the non-presence of our Media. I do think that John Ashcroft is getting a free ride. His role in frightening the country was pivotal.
As far as the now blue-haired Gray Lady, the answer to its pro-war policy is spelled ISRAEL.But Isreal is the key to the mid-east.
I am not wild about Hillary but perhaps she is the best bet to having Bill get Camp David going again.
Hmm lets see… There are what 4 million Palestine refugees. Instead of spending 100 Bil in Iraq, what about giving each Palestinian $25k to relocate out of the mid-east.
This DVD – “Independent Media in a Time of War” is a great look into the failure of Corporate Media in the rush to war with Iraq.
Amy Goodman is the narrator.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 123
Thanks Christy — My brain is mush this morning — I forgot it was Thursday already!
Christy,
The numbers for the Republicans were atrocious in NH for the 2006 election. I think it was one of the worst routs in the country. The 2 congressional seats flipped, the Dem. Gov. won an astounding 73% of the vote. The NH statehouse gained 86 Democrats flipping the rule, the state senate flipped to the Democrats and the executive council too.
So on the surface the Republicans were really on the run. They have had scandals too. Most recently a Republican state rep. literally tried to assasinate the character of the man running for the state party chair. Ray Buckley was accused of being a pedophile and of possessing child porn. After an investigation by the state AG it was found to be groundless.
Not to mention the vote tampering back in 2002. The state GOP is in shambles.
But they still have a long history in the state and they are down but not out.
Sununu is really confounding. Like his dad, he’s smart, but some of his father’s arrogant qualities have been seeping into his actions lately. He also isn’t a total rubberstamp and has taken contrary positions to Bush on civil libery issues.
There are two candidates on the Dem’s side announced for his seat. A state sen. named Marchand and the wife of former Dem. congressman. I know little about him….Katrina Swett…Unfortunately for Katrina she’s been saying how much she likes Joe Lieberman…that is likely because she has political and family ties….here dad is congressman Tom Lantos, a former anti-Nazi fighter from Hungary who has very strong ties with Israel.
Everyone is waiting on Shaheen to run to see if she can beat Sununu without any Republican voter supression tactics engineered by Karl Rove’s office.
-GSD
dougR @ 99
Check you computer for STREAMS: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/watch.html *Watch on-demand!
the “It’s War!” montage from Gone With The Wind has always perfectly characterized TradMed’s role in Armagetiton for me
I hate watching Fox news with all their banners and talking points flashed across the screen (and their BS, of course).
Whenever I see the LIVE banner waving in the corner of the screen, I can’t help not reading it backwards all the time (EVIL)
Bluetoe @ 66
the thing I hate about Broder is that occasionally he emerges from his stupor and experiences a moment of lucidity — prompting me to not automatically disregard his column…..so that I end up being lured right back into the trap of reading blood-boiling bullsh*t and losing my breakfast.
Keep punching, Jane.
‘We will all be there to see the Chimpire fall’
GSD @ 135
It seems there is one kamikazee candidate each cycle. Landrieu in 2002, but she emerged from it, portobello mushroom bomb belt and all strapped to her waist as she was forced to vote on Bush’s Homeland Security Act the night before the runoff; Santorum in 2006; Sununu in 2008; but I am having a difficult time identifying the kamikazee candidate of 2004. Suggestions?
nolo @ 121
thanks hon. my feeble attempt at sistah talk comes from having 2 teenage daughters. hope our legal beagles here get a chance to rip Condi a new one. there’s no such thing as Executive Privilege for a lie (especially a treasonous one).
I think we are going to see more & more of these idiots running as (I). Also, I’ve had enough of whenever the Gop get in trouble, the media forgets to put an (R) next to their name and IIRC, there was a couple of diaries during the last election when they purposely put a (D) next to a Republican’s name.
Jane,
Lotsa love!
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 128
linky no workie for me
Darkblack: Can we get a photoshop of all of Bush’s handlers….
Colin Powell is also one of the true villains of our times. Instead of standing up, he took a slow ride and literally closed the deal.
Blood on his hands.
-GSD
James Guglielmino @ 131
depends on how hard Henry wants to push. there’s reputed to be an old jail cell in the basement of the Capitol bldg. hehe
Agh. Noron O’Donnell on MSNBC, quizzing Timmy “Pumpkinhead Cheney Tool” Russert and Mrs. Greenspan about tonight’s Democratic candidate debate in South Carolina.
I can’t even listen to these fools after last night’s Moyers’ program.
I know someone commented on Sununu, but did you see Collins’s response to the ads launched against her recently on YouTube? It is atrocious. Although I respected her at one point, that video put the nail in the coffin. I want to respect Snowe and Collins, but they have failed to vote on the right side of rationality these past few years. They were very different in the 1990s.
On Gannon/Guckert. I do hope that Waxman isn’t too occupied over the next year and a half to undertake an investigation of Mr. Jeff’s accounted time at the White House (entries noted in the record but not the exits). Maybe he’s just saving that juicy morsel for desert, or in case the White House gets too obstreperous wrt the subpoenas.
OT but hopefully topic for a new diary. Ms Rice seems to have verbally refused the subpoena. Will it be delivered by bailiff to her office down at Foggy Bottom? This one is going to the mat.
Pointy,
I think that 2004 was Arlen “Magic bullet” Specter. He had been challenged on the far right, a Club for Growth, Grover Norquist type and the Washington establishment pulled out all of the stops, including Bush and the rest to keep Arlen from getting tossed in the primary.
-GSD
Sorry I’m incompetent at finding things, but the piece yesterday (from the NYT?)about the USG attempting to further limit the access and activities of lawyers for the folks in GITMO is kind of big, don’t you think?
If you want to know why, I suspect, on the basis of excerpts, that Clive Stafford Smith’s new book “Bad Men; Guantanamo Bay and the Secret Prisons” might have something to do with it.
He makes clear that the MSM allows itself to be totally led so as to disguise what actually occurs there. Forgive me if, from outside the USA, I rather think this is more important than a few, generally Republican , lawyers unexpectedly having to make their way in the world of private practice!
Sorry, I know the USA story is important, and I have been transfixed by it, not least by the performances of Mr Gonzales,but you know what I mean.
o/t (just for a sec)
Christy – I asked you the other day about the sudden spate of Abramoff related activity of late -
both Josh and emptywheel weighed in yesterday – I’m with empty btw b/c of Alice Fisher BUT looking forward to hearing from you on this – and forgive me if you already have – am still catching up on my posts
emptywheel
and ye gawd! is there anything more fun to watch than Ms Wheeler on the weasel’s trail ?!?!?
Alls Norah O’Donnell has to do is laugh at one of her own jokes with that most loopy laugh in the world and I get queasy.
NBC is full of tools.
-GSD
pointecoupeedemocrat:
(I like your handle, BTW.) I’ve now read all your comments on this thread. You’re certainly on fire. That’s good. Passion counts. And so does patience. You’re also dogged. That’s good too. That means you’ll stay on something and will not give up that easily. Christy’s advice is sound.
Christy Hardin Smith @
108
Christy, I believe McCain groomed Sununu, and I would not be surprised if they were a joint ticket, however improbably a Senate/Presidential ticket may sound. I guess we should expect ads similar to those that aired in Jersey last cycle: a spectral McCain hovering over the shoulder of Sununu, as they both engage in the strange homoerotic ritual of relishing in McCain’s “straight talk.”
Ms. ET, to me, while I was watching the networks covering the opening of the bombing of Baghdad, back in March, 2003, “Why are you watching these people so avidly after telling me so often they’re all lying to us?”
Me – “It’s fascinating, watching us descend into a new realm…”
GSD @ 155
NBC is full of
toolsfools.Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution gives the U.S. House of Representatives “the sole Power of Impeachment.” Article II, Section 4 allows for the impeachment of “all civil Officers of the United States.” So far, only one cabinet member has been impeached. In 1876, Secretary of War William Worth Belknap was impeached for bribery. Belknap later resigned.
I love history. Can ya tell?
The “girl blogger” is leaving:
http://riverbendblog.blogspot……3645733275
“On the one hand, I know that leaving the country and starting a new life somewhere else- as yet unknown- is such a huge thing that it should dwarf every trivial concern. The funny thing is that it’s the trivial that seems to occupy our lives. We discuss whether to take photo albums or leave them behind. Can I bring along a stuffed animal I’ve had since the age of four? Is there room for E.’s guitar? What clothes do we take? Summer clothes? The winter clothes too? What about my books? What about the CDs, the baby pictures?
The problem is that we don’t even know if we’ll ever see this stuff again. We don’t know if whatever we leave, including the house, will be available when and if we come back. There are moments when the injustice of having to leave your country, simply because an imbecile got it into his head to invade it, is overwhelming. It is unfair that in order to survive and live normally, we have to leave our home and what remains of family and friends… And to what?
It’s difficult to decide which is more frightening- car bombs and militias, or having to leave everything you know and love, to some unspecified place for a future where nothing is certain.”
Please keep her and her family in your thoughts, as well as the millions of other Iraqis faced with such agonizing decisions.
Rayne @ 149
[From PBS last night when asked why the press ‘corpse’ rolled over to Bushco]
Biodun @ 156
I took notes from everyone’s comments, and I will follow Christy’s sage advice of digesting it passage by passage. Right now I am trying to get a handle on the state House races, which is a burden, given that there are 105 of them. But now I have another project once that one is concluded. Louisiana is a huge lacuna in the blogosphere, but I guess every state was at one point a huge gaping wound. Sometimes I get frustrated, as I wonder if I am my only audience. And writing at home alone with one’s cat never really helps. But I guess all of you have been there already.
so i see all that stuff and the SHAMEFUL staged faux press conference and I am so glad that I marched against this war.
How could so many journalists–of which I used to be one–abandon their roles? and Moyers does a masterful job by hiliting the Knight-Ridder journalists’ good work–and noting that what they found was there for all to find.
sadly, today I couldnt find or remember their names-including their bureau chief.
Patreus coming up on CNN for live presser…
and I’m off to work – have a good one, pups.
As I watched Bill Moyers’ show last night, I don’t think he went far enough.
1. It was mentioned, “this administration is just the slickest…(sic)” but he didn’t address the logical end game: what about the next administration? Side bar: this is why impeachment is necessary, even if they cannot complete it in time, AS AT THREAT to future administrations. GOP MUST be aware of this, with the DEMs almost surely getting the WH in 2008.
2. The spread of marketing from product sales to politics: it’s ok to sell my kids on a happy meal and a box of cereal, but it’s not ok to sell his parents on a president and a war? This is only going to get worse before it gets better, and it’s not going away by pretending it’s all the MSM’s fault.
3. MSM owned by corporations intent on following marketplace rules are simply not going to provide objective news. Their product is not going to sell when sensationalism is flying off the racks right next to it. The same goes for cable news, instead of the rack next to it, think flipping channels.
Public funding of news may be in order, through expansion of PBS. BBC is one of the best news outfits in the world, both in content and field staff. I’ve worked with BBC people, and they are top rate. Anyone who says private can do better needs only look at the BBC.
Bluetoe @ 126
Bush – Rove – Chee-knee. Fits ‘em to a T.
peterboy at 164 — you mean John Walcott, Jonathan Landay and Warren Strobel from Knight Ridder (among many, many others, btw)?
The Dem debate tonight in South Carolina will be carried live (of course) on MSNBC. Just turn on your TV at 6 PM ET and the yakking will have begun already.
Bugboy at 166 — Last night’s show was one of a multi-part series. The WH role in the selling and manipulation is a show all to itself.
thanks, Christy.
I looked at some of those faces in the WH press conference and wondered what happened to them.
worse than Laura, in my view.
Biodun @ 169
But for those of us who do not use TVs? I am serious, I only us the machine for films. Will any website or interest group stream it live? I will have to do some research before 5pmCST.
mc @
161
How sad but how inevitable! Whenever I hear some idiot talking about “ordinary Iraqis” being better off/pleased saddam has gone. etc. I think of Riverbend.
Peterr,
bees – ha! one of the firedogs mentioned that possibility when we were discussing it last week end – and it wasn’t even one of the resident entymologists! (waving to bugboy)
I was still in the military when Bush first came into office and even before the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were attacked, I knew we would be going to war. It just a matter of who and when.
peterboy @ 164
From Bill Moyers Journal Site:
“We apologize but due to your overwhelming response, Jonathan Landay, Warren Strobel and The Moyers Blog staff were unable to log in to the live chat. We will post answers as soon as we are able. Thank you for joining us on air and keep tuned to the Moyers Blog for more from Landay and Strobel.”
Public funding of news may be in order, through expansion of PBS. BBC is one of the best news outfits in the world, both in content and field staff. I’ve worked with BBC people, and they are top rate. Anyone who says private can do better needs only look at the BBC.
And how the Bushies hate it!!
Solai @ 107
I think it’s “failing forward,” the attempt to avoid admitting failure by making it part of a larger plan that’s still in progress. In the words of Billmon:
As Billmon also points out, this ploy rarely ends well.
In Boston last night there was a man on the radio station where I listen to the Red Sox, WRKO, called Michael Savage who was the direct opposite of moyers whom I watched when I got home. He made the Sainted J-U-D-Y seem utterly honest he lied so much. His focus was Haditha about which he ignored the known facts and made up new ones, but he delivered a ranting Limbaugh-like peroration about the origins of the invasion that Bush/Cheney would have loved. I am thinking of asking him how much they paid him for his lies.
The point is that they are still spewing out the lies all the way down to the bottom end — low rent radio.
TiredFed @ 10
Yeah! This is so right
Christy Hardin Smith @ 170
Friday nights on PBS, right Christy?
Chetnolian @ 173
Well, pretty soon W & his pickle bride will have to leave their home too.
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 172
Try CSpan.org. Check program info.
Chimpy’s genius (Betraeus) on CSpan3 live now
GSD @ 155
NBC is tanking in the ratings… they’re so 20th Century.
cbl @ 184
Oh, that is nice,
Biodun @ 183
Will do. And you know about Pointe Coupe Parish? Have you visited? It is a beautiful place. Feel free to write if you visit again. My neighbor and I will give you a crawfish boil you will never forget.
link to Moyers series:
Bill Moyers
Any more news on the gated communities in Baghdad? Are they still partitioning?
mc @ 161
I’ve been wondering for so long if that would happen eventually. My heart goes out to her.
That was quick. Buying the War entire show vid & transcript already up @ this site:
Buying the War
It didn’t quite get dark here last night. A little sliver of sunlight reflected off the upper atmosphere, far off to the north. It won’t get completely dark again here until the end of the first week of August. I’m hoping that by the time it gets dark again in Alaska, a whole lot of light will have been shown under all those GOP rocks we’re stumbling over every step of the way!
ccmask @ 189
Gated communities – Have you ever read JG Ballard’s “Running Wild?” A might portentous writer, Ballard.
The website for Bill Moyers Journal is a wonderful resource. Podcasts of each show will be available and also RSS feeds.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/watch.html
And in more (tangential) war news:
http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/2…..tm?cnn=yes
Gas, $4.00/gallon coming soon to a pump near you.
How’s that war working out for you, ExxonMobilChevronShell?
ExxonMobilChevronShell, “Just fine, thanks for all the
fishmoney!I have been against the war in Iraq from day one. And Judith Miller’s reporting leading up to it was dangerously wrong. However…
I think she was mistaken, not a conspirator. Years before she had written about Saddam’s (actual) WMD programs. They were destroyed in the Gulf War; Judy didn’t get it; and if you’re a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
She screwed up big time.
However, she also went to jail to protect her (probably despicable) source. She did her part for the First Amendment. So, I respect her…with all her flaws.
To Redshift and Solai
As I said way back — Kristol’s first loyalty is to Israel. Look up “A Clean Break – A Strategic Plan for the Realm” of 1996.
ccmask @ 189
Condos in the Baghdad gated communities aren’t doing very well on the time share market yet.
New thread from Pachacutec.
Roots Project Action: Fire Up The Engines
Fresh thread from Pach. Start your engines!
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 128
No interal report I am aware of. I think Edwards is basing it on all of the media reports, Congress’ judiciary investigations, emails, memos and Iglesias’ comments. IMHO there is enough smoking gun for me to fire his ass.
I cancelled our satellite service in May ‘03.
No regrets.
Ed*ard Teller @
158
My first thought was, “Well, America just committed suicide.”
GSD @
147
Couldn’t agree more.
John W @ 175
Is that because you were aware of PNAC and their writings? Or from being in the military?
Care to elaborate?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 170
Yeah, but I can see where this is going, get rid of Bush and the problem goes away? I don’t think so. We have a system that is the problem, Bush is only a symptom.
Not that the Democrats could ever lower themselves to the depravity that the Bush WH/GOP has done so to date, the point is that we all stared at our navels after Watergate and now we are about to do the same thing.
20 years will pass, someone will start passing the hat for the sales pitch that everyone is tired of the mean ole’ Gubmint spending “their” money and vote GOP back into power to cut taxes, pulling the plug on all the good works done by constructive government for the previous decades. And the world goes round and round. It happened in the Reagan administration too, or did you all forget?
We have to get off the merry-go-round. I hope Bill Moyers can see that.
Good morning, all.
Great post, Christy. I recorded the Moyers program so I can watch it tomorrow. I’m very eager to see what he found, and what people like Russert have to say for their gross negiligence of duty. Do they use the excuse “everyone else was colluding to help the admin make their point – why should we be the lone voice making waves and asking questions that actually mattered?”
I assume a lot of people will watch the debate tonight? I’ll have to tape it. I’m eager to see what all of the candidates have to say, and how they carry themselves in this early debate.
All the best to Jane.
The Bushites just can’t stop lying
“U.S. officials who say there has been a dramatic drop in sectarian violence in Iraq since President Bush began sending more American troops into Baghdad aren’t counting one of the main killers of Iraqi civilians.
“Car bombs and other explosive devices have killed thousands of Iraqis in the past three years, but the administration doesn’t include them in the casualty counts it has been citing as evidence that the surge of additional U.S. forces is beginning to defuse tensions between Shiite and Sunni Muslims.”
A couple of quick points that I haven’t seen in the comments thus far: Kudos to the Knight-Ridder (now McClatchy) reporters who were doing real reporting, even if it was being widely ignored. Second, the reporter who was on the ground with the weapons inspectors while Colin Powell was giving his U.N. dog-and-pony show. How dare the Iraqis put a roof on that building so our spy satellites couldn’t see in! Of course, we had inspectors UNDER the roof. Amazing.
new thread from Pach upstairs.
cbl @
59
Thanks for the welcome and the information.
I have just finished reading the transcript which leaves one feeling very uneasy. But as we know, wars and patriotism go hand in hand – the last vestige of the scoundrel. And boy, is George the Smaller a scoundrel, or what?
I really do have grave concerns for these troubled times, full of insecurity, turmoil, hate and distrust. Even my own crazed Prime Minister (John Howard) was described by a prominent opposition politician as Bush’s arse-licker. Why Australia is involved in the ME is explained by Howard as: aiding our friends ( US and The Coalition) in the ‘fight against terror’. It’s a bit like fighting flatulence. Yes, let’s have a fight against farts! Anyway, we have an election due before the end of 2007 and Howard should lose to Kevin Rudd of the Labor Party. maybe then we can start on the long road back to sanity, in Oz at least. Funny thing though; I did see report that Rudd met Rupert Murdoch in NYC the other day. Must be that Rupert has seen the very favourable poll numbers recently for Rudd and needs to hedge his bets, although Rudd was unable to mett with any administration ‘heavies’ in Washington. He was restricted to middle ranking bureaucrats and officials. Might be different when he is elected PM later this year, but Washington is still wary of Aussie lefties. They seem to have that annoying habit of telling it like it is and not standing on ceremony. you may recall the media furor when Paul Keating shepherded The Queen in Oz a few years back by placing a light hand on her bum while she was inspecting the guard of honor at the airport. Pandemonium there was…wonderful!
Stay cool
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 96
Gotta bounce, and probably epu’d so I will post this as a comment to pointecoupeedem’s post at Daily Kingfish as well. There is a qui tam info site here: http://www.quitam.com/
Signed up at Daily Kingfish, waiting for e-mail back w/login.
pointecoupeedemocrat:
I know about PointeCoupee Parish but haven’t visited. I have spent time in Noo Orleans and Baton Rouge both before and after Katrina. Will visit again soon and will give you a jingle. Also: I speak French fluently. Do you know French?
Cheers.
Sending my love and strength to Jane to finish her treatments with a flourish, and continue all her work to make the USA the place it should be.
Biodun @
212
Oui, je parles franais.
HotFlash @
211
thank you so much. this should be useful.
Great post! Saw it and much like you was revolted all over again. Only thing I would add is along with the aforementioned US troop loss and dismemberment are the hundreds of thousands of souls. This program is documentation of the greatest crime of the century. Strike up the band, in this case Supertramp.
I am more convinced than ever that Judy was involved in the anthrax scare. Can’t prove it. Don’t have evidence. Just let’s call it an educated hunch.
A joke for Jane:
A blonde, a brunette and a ReddHedd we shipwrecked on a deserted island. But they could see another island not too far away. After a few days when no help came, the ReddHedd decided she would try to swim the distance to the other island to get help.
So, she started swimming and swimming. At the half way point, she was got really tired. “Oh, I’ll never make it”, she thought. She gave up and drowned.
The brunette thought she could make it so she too started to swim to the next island. She swam and swam but at the halfway mark, she too got tired. “Oh, I’ll never make it.” she thought. She gave up and drowned.
When it became clear that no help was coming, the blonde also decided to swim to the other island. So, she started to swim and swim but at the halfway point, she became tired. “Oh, I’ll never make it.” she thought.
Then she turned around and swam back.
Keep swimming, Jane. You’re almost there.
Christy, I agree 115% that Moyer’s show last night was completely AWESOME. Like you, I felt that much, or almost all, was stuff I was aware of at the time (and I live in the backwoods of BC)and it bothered me that no one could see it. Those two Knight-Ridder reporters (I was reading K-R filings here in the sticks, which may be partly why I was so much better informed than people in downtown USA) captured the feeling repeatedly when they expressed their constant amazement at the way obvious “facts” seemed to be being ignored and occasional self doubts due to everyone else’s apparent different reality.
If America was a completely fascist state already, journalists like the two K-R guys would be jailed. In Amerika it is just as effective to just ignore them and control the main, biggest, media, and control them with the stick of regulation.
btw egregious, as to
“And lapdog, isn’t that Boehlert’s term?”
Boehlert was a prominent guest and interviewee on the show, unlike say Knee-pads Miller or Billy “I must be on” Kristol meth.
Where’s the edit comment link?!
thExile—
Yeah, Boehlert was great.
Christy Hardin Smith @
108
Jay Buckey is most likely to run against Sununu. He is a former astronaut, physician, Major in the Air Force Reserves (retired), engineer and Dartmouth Medical School Professor. Right now he is in the early stages of his exploratory committee, but is definitely a name to watch. For now check out his website and the very good climate change video he just distributed
http://www.buckey08.com/
http://www.buckey08.com/video.html
Christy Hardin Smith @ 108
I have written him a number of times. He toes the line with Bush, but vocally tries to get milage when he goes “rouge” (you know vote w/ Bush 99% of the time under the radar, but go on the radio, etc when he “defies” bush).
He is down with the war, and against minimum wage. Oh, and he voted against 10 million dollars for soldier/vet mental health funds. I can’t wait for 2008.
last comment is about Sununu and his positions, not those who may run against him.
funniest thing from the show was the “secret location” stuff Powell said to the UN. It claimed to be from sources including “intelligence sources”. Turned out they lifted it from some collage kids graduate thesis.
Oh, and he wanted them busted for plagarizm of his thesis.
Christy, I am with you completely on this issue. I was also glued to the media during the run-up to the invasion. I listened to the BBC, Npr, and many of mainstream news programs daily. I was in complete “shock and awe” at how smoothly the Bushadministrations warmonger machine moved swiftly with few challenges coming from the MSM.
On most of the MSM channels onecould hear Cheney, Bush, Wolfowitz, Rice, Rumsfeld etc
parroting the same “Iraq has WMD’s, the mushroom cloud, smoking gun etc.” Many Americans were convinced by the endless unchallenged claims being repeated about Iraq by the Bush administration.
Now on the other hand prior to the invasion NPR’s Diane Rehm and less so Talk of the Nation had a long list of experts, historians, Cia analyst and military analyst( General Zinni) letting us knowthat the pre-warintelligence was seriously questionable, and that it was a very bad idea to invade a country that had not attacked us. Some of those guest on the Rehms show included Zbigniew Brezinski, Scott Ritter, Ray McGovern etc. When I met Chris Matthews at the Libby trial I mentioned to him that he should have been listening to the Rehm show before the invasion and he and other mainstreamers would not have been so duped.
I was especially shocked when Iaea’s El Baradei told the world in early March of 2003 that the Niger Documents were absolutely false. The MSM barely gave this coverage and Cheney went on I believe Meet the Press and completely undermined El Baradei and Tim Russert did not challenge him.
The other issue that I found terribly upsetting was the lack of fair coverage before the invasion of who was attending the anti-invasion marches in Washington (Oct 2002, Jan 2003) and in New York City (Feb 2003). I attended these three marches prior to the invasion and audio taped close to a 1000 people over the age of 65. When one would look at the crowds the make up was diverse in age (not so much race). Many of the folks I audiotaped were asked about the make up of the crowds and all agreed that at least half of the crowd was over 40. The crowds were made up of WWII, Korean, Vietnam, Desert Strom Vets, families pushing baby strollers, and seniors in wheel chairs. Students, social workers, construction workers, teamsters, teachers etc.
Yet (and I was watching the coverage very closely) the MSM would show the footage of the 20 people there with black hoods over their heads over and over again. So that if you were at home in your living room or sitting at a VFW in Glouster Ohio watching the MSM and wondering if you were the only one with questions about the wisdom or validity of an invasion. All one would see on the MSM at these marches were the fringe. The coverage was inaccurate and terribly dishonest.
And now 650,ooo Iraqi people are dead (and counting), hundreds of thousands are injured, millions displaced. All for our(and Israels) need to access Iraqi oil. It is sick and shameful. How can we wonder for one second why people around the world fear and hate us!
GSD 135 -
Sununu is really confounding. Like his dad, he’s smart, but some of his father’s arrogant qualities have been seeping into his actions lately. He also isn’t a total rubberstamp and has taken contrary positions to Bush on civil libery issues. GSD knows his stuff and there are some differences, I am just saying none that matter. The guy is against the Fed Min wage for God’s sake.
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I have a (form-type) letter from his office that would say differnt when it really mattered. He blows his horn to try and score points with the general voters (that dont/cant pay much attention).
Party controlled state senate since something like 1902 until last year. Today is the vote on Civil Unions for same sex couples. It actually has pretty good support and is way down on the list of voter concerns – but is the kind of issue that puts lawn signs out for a few people (like when the arguemnt came up in Feb 2004). Actually was funny how there were lawn signs everywhere in suburban towns in NH for 2004 (war, moraliy, etc) – but in 2006 I drive out there and see almost zero lawn signs. In 2006 all those people dropped the R’s like a hot rancid potato.
Iron ranger “soul suckers” indeed!
Thanks Christy!
And JANE!!!
jinny, redX . . . we’re talking about Sununu on the next thread. Bring the comments upstairs!
Diane @ 73
Kristol is a psychopath! Arrogant, elitist and lacks empathy. He perpetrates lies and killing, and is a lilly white assed chicken hawk!
He belongs in jail not on the air!
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 157
A Senate squared joint ticket from the worst Senate (party in control, and one could argue the worst opposition party as well) is very unlikely.
Off-topic but what does it say about our leadership deficit in this country when TDS Stewart can deconstruct any of our leaders from either pary across them at a table in about 2 minutes maximum?
Boycott any books Judy Miller writes! And remember her endless lies and the New York Times willingness to print her lies unedited.
Judy “I was fucking right” Judy is drowning in the Iraqi people’s blood. She is so arrogant that she can not even come close to admitting it!
maunga @ 179
WEEI is the #1 rated sports channel in America (beats the NYY market). (That is many many people).
They lie and lie and lie.
You literaly can’t listen to the show at certain points if you are not a Republican. They even want one of them to run for the open Congress seat in MA. It is a bad taste if you need to commute from 8 – 8:30 as I think that is when they do the morning “news” now.
I have written to Teddy and others to at least take a look at this. Not that it is against the law, but is it an organized marketing to try and convert Dad and son to be in the Red nation (as oppposed to the Red Sox Nation).
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 193
No, I haven’t but I’ll add it to my wish list, thanks.
perris @ 37
Would really like to see/hear a debate between Kristol and Moyers. Moyers laser beam on truth would burn through the endless
lies that come out of Kristols mouth.
Ed*ard Teller @ 198
Must be the economy, stupid. :))
Do not ever forget that Judy Miller spewed unsubstantiated claims about WMD’s in Iraq in the New York Times that went unedited!
Boycott any books that Judy “I was fucking right” Miller writes! Who could trust anything that she writes!
Not seeing any of my comments coming up! What’s up?
Christy Hardin Smith @
61
ty for reminding me about keith last nite. i almost 4got about it as i became so caught up in the moyers special.
as someone who worked close to the wtc, had been to an office party @ windows on the world & parked in the lot where the bomb went off only weeks before it happened – i thought this was one of keith’s best “rants”. he spoke for me. his (almost spitting) anger at guiliani was mine too. as was his passion.
well done keith
Personally, I was not impressed with the Moyers program. He totally ignores the background at the time: the “no blood for oil” rallies all over the world, so many rational people pointing out the obvious. He lets the MSM get away with “we were just afraid not to toe the line” (e.g. Dan Rather), as though a lot more investigation had to be done to reveal the lies. They were obvious, in front of their eyes, and these people had to close their eyes in order to ignore the lies. So there!
I watched Moyer’s documentary last nighy also. It was morning before I could sleep because of anger and frustration. It is shamefull how McClatchey reporters were ignored and the lapdogs (Miller) were lapped up. And Christy, while watching Oprah, did you watch her minimize the only objection to her war mongering guests by a young black women. She was the only one in the room with either the forsight or nerve to question their phony facts.
GSD @
106
rofl – ya – that moment struck me pretty funny too last nite
[knowing I’m in EPU]
Moyer’s was great, but more of a re-cap than shocking revelations, to me at least.
I’d be interested to know how many viewers saw it (Nielsen numbers type stuff), and how many that did were awakened, shocked, angered, etc. by it.
From a flashback standpoint, it reminded me of watching the run-up in realtime, and the anger I felt at that time.
Those paying attention back then would have seen the manipulation of the U.N. and it’s inspectors, the piecewise fabrication of the intell case against Iraq & Saddam, and the development, reinforcement & neverending chant of the Saddam=911 ties.
Careful watchers could have even seen the military deployment underway in preparation for Shock & Awe, the technical inconsistencies of things like the Aluminum tubes & mobile bi*weapons labs, and the almost humourous evidence pouring in from Chalabi & Co..
But the clincher was always the body language from Bush, Cheney & the Gang. Right there, for everyone to see, for months & months, regardless of what the press was or wasn’t directly feeding us on page one.
Guess I’m just saying we all should have & could have seen it coming, had we been watching their eyes. But for it to have made a difference, we’d need Nielsen numbers for the SOTU in the 60%-70% range, which will never happen.
Good on Moyer’s, nonetheless. Never too late to send a warning shot across the bow of American apathy.
OT – Webb up on CSPAN2…
Christy Hardin Smith @
168
my new heros. so grateful to learn of their existence last nite… like the old “woodstein”. such a pity they were at knight ridder – rather then a big metro paper
Durangodave @
208
yes – that was quite a moment in the program. one i will continue to quote in the future.
Educated Plaintiff @ 245
I believe that at the time, The Philadelphia Inquirer was a Knight-Ridder paper. (Big enough?).
-MS
Michael in Park Slope @ 247
thanx for that info. i should have added; in those years i wasn’t reading newspapers from other cities online like i do now.
unfortunately/fortunately i was only reading my hometown paper – the nytimes. but i never fell for judy’s (& others) trash reporting.
One wonders if they’re setting up to sell the end of the war to the world as GW’s big big mistake – Oops, but y’know, he’s gone now…
portia.vz @
217
“Involved” in what sense? She certainly did her part in writing the book, Germs, which scared the shit out of a lot of people. From the editorial review at Amazon:
But there was also a series of Athrax attacks, some of them fatal. Are you “convinced” she was “involved” in those? I’d be most interested.
oops – i just realized its your hometown paper too. apologies
[Modnote: please don’t re-quote more than twice, thanks]
I had the same reaction to Moyer’s work last night and remember the feeling of futility at seeing the march to war. btw, Charles Krauthammer is the scariest looking person I have ever seen, one of those gut reactions that has no explainable reason. Anyway, I hope the march to war with Iran will be exposed at every step by we who had been so deceived once before. as *he* likes to say, *Fool me once* etc.
Does your “miracle peanut” have a name? Sorry, but you sound like Dr. Laura talking about her “munchkins”…
[CHS notes: yes, she does. But, as I used to put people in the penitentiary for a living, I try not to use it publicly. For obvious reasons. If you knew what I know first hand about kiddie porn, child sexual abuse, murder and other unsavory criminal acts, you’d be protective of your child, too. Especially if the people you put in jail for committing these crimes may, someday, be paroled. Thanks for asking. — CHS]
Amalfax @ 253
I kinda knew why you consistently referred to your daughter as the Peanut. I’ve always thought of it as her “screen name.” But your explanation wins kudos from me. Clear, concise exposition of the issue, as usual ReddHead.
Okay, at the risk of sounding very sophomoric and naive, when exactly did we become a nation of “leaders” who cannot speak extemporaneously at a press conference or in an interview? Without a doubt this malarkey started before Shrub came along, but his handlers have ratcheted up the application of this sevenfold.
The leadoff of Moyers’ excellent-but-depressing (jeez Rather, fall on your sword again if you must, but doggone it also tell us how you and your high level colleagues will lead a charge to fix this cr*p!) was the unapologetically scripted “Press Conference” mentioned in the article. It reminded me of a much earlier press conference when the President clumsily quipped into the open microphone “it’s scripted” and not a soul said anything about it. Russert’s snippet last night made it a point to get in “we ask the questions, we get to ask anything we want” with the gleam one might expect from the discoverer of the cure for melanoma. Good lord, spontaneity is a selling point? Jeez, Timmeh, that would be fine if just once in awhile you’d use your legal training and ask a couple of follow up questions – especially when you got the “Greeted as liberators” canned answer.
One would hope that people going on these shows would have to be prepared to answer anything, and not merely be given a list of questions to approve, go over and prepare with before appearing. That makes them less like leaders and far more like George Costanza.
Sadly the truth is that this “here’s the list before you go up” has sunk down to the lowest level imaginable. Having had the great good fortune to run for a local school board a couple of years ago, I received a “list” of cadged questtions from the organizer of a “candidates forum,” that I could use to prepare my responses. It meant the whole damn thing was a charade, and the feeling was not mitigated by the fact that all of the candidates received the same e-mailed list. If this kind of “Screw spontaneity, here’s where the arrows are gonna come from” is how we’re governing at the local level, we’re screwed, big time.
May the ‘Miracle Peanut’ never have to go through life wearing a top hat. Keep up the good work,CHS.
Wigwam @ 250
I don’t know if she was involved. Let’s just say that if I worked in Manhattan and I wanted to drop off anthrax laced letters off in Princeton and Trenton, I would hop on the subway to Penn Station, take the Northeast Corridor train to Trenton, mail my letter, get back on the train, get off at Princeton Junction, take the Princeton Shuttle to Princeton, visit friends I know there about an upcoming book, mail another letter, take train back and be in Manhattan in time for cocktails in a gorgeous glass.
Or, the Amtrak Acela train goes all the way from Manhattan to DC with a stop in Trenton.
So many possibilities for someone with a narcissistic personality disorder who fancies him/herself to be pretty important, working on a revolution with a bunch of neocons to remake the middle east and doing his/her part to create another Pearl Harbor.
Or, I could be dreaming…
BTW, the Acela train was taken out of service for several months after the anthrax attacks so Amtrak could fix the brakes. Riiiiiiighht.
Great milestone, Jane. Hang in there! We’re rooting for you!
72 Christy Hardin Smith says:
April 26th, 2007 at 6:05 am
pointecoupee at 62 — Well, for one thing, a rude attitude isn’t exactly helpful. I was reading the information you linked up — because I thought informing myself on your perspective before answering the question so that my response was based on facts and other information rather than speculative junk might be more useful.
Try contacting local reporters with the information that you all have found, both print and television. Oftentimes if you can interest an investigative reporter in something like this, it can get more traction. I’d start with folks at the Times-Picayune — they’ve been doing some great investigative work on corruption issues in the area of late.
Also, try getting folks in your local Democratic groups or DFA or otherwise to write letters to the editor about this to push the story. Keep blogging about it, too — you’d be surprised how much traction you can get just by continuing to dig into information and presenting it, piece by piece, fact by fact. That’s
I WOULD ADD:
If the former staffer, the female who was sexually harrassed, filed suit, get a copy of the lawsuit, it’s a public record, and distribute it to the media. This will give them more than just a he said/she said.
The BillO sexual harrassment story had legs because the lawsuit’s complaint got out and was filled with salacious details. You can do the same. Otherwise, get her to hold a press conference about how she feels that this guy wants to be the attorney general of the state.
I hate to be a pig but the TV media needs images and if she’s hot, they are more likely to give the story play: Big, Bad Congressman Pawed Cute Little Blonde….
In Chicago, we had a bartender get beat to shit by an off-duty cop on video. The bartender was a cute blonde woman so the video and the story ran for days. She did interviews for TV stations and everything.
I trust one realizes that there are no younger journalists with the power of Moyers to replace him. This is last gasp criticism. The foreseeable future is bereft of such quality. Who would do this, Russert? Brian Williams?
nellieh @
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“Minimize” doesn’t quite cover it. Oprah seemed downright indignant, denying any suggestion that she was helping to “propagandize” the war.
As if she couldn’t believe that she was being used as part of the Administration’s sophisticated perception management campaign…
To qoute Norman Lear’s favorite Justice Felex Frankfurter quote: “The highest office for a democracy the office of the people.” And to paraphrase Lear himself, “Absent an informed populace, democrary cannot survive.” A free media is essential for the survival of democratic societies.
That being said, I have searched the world over, reading English translations of media publications from Asia, East Asia, Eastern and Western Europe I have yet to find balanced, unbaised reporting.
Fifty percent of what journalists pass off on us as journalism today should be listed as a PAID ADVERTISEMENT, citing their sponsor. Twenty-five percent should be published under the heading of an OPINION COLUMN with the remaining twenty-five percent under their political affiliation.
I have found blogging to be a safer far safer bet than the corporate owned media. You know what you are getting.
Oh, stop it with the “we didn’t know” crap. They all knew that they were being lied to on a daily basis. The lies were blatant and certifiable the moment they were uttered. This WaPo guy is yet another gasbag faking a soccer injury, rolling all over the field, begging for the ref’s mercy. I am a proud member of the 9% fraternity-sorority of those who have opposed the Junta from day one, the same ones who were called traitors or worse, lost friendships and jobs, and had no choice but looking at ourselves in the mirror with our consciences turned on. Moyers was just way too nice, especially to Russet, the biggest gasbag of them all. Please don’t play nice to these bastards anymore. They are as guilty for this illegal war of aggression that has left the Geneva Conventions with more holes than a Swiss cheese as the Junta is. Let them look themselves in the mirror and wince in disgust.