
Everyone has their favorite moment from the Bill Moyers documentary last night, this was mine:
BILL MOYERS: Critics point to September eight, 2002 and to your show in particular, as the classic case of how the press and the government became inseparable.
Someone in the administration plants a dramatic story in the NEW YORK TIMES And then the Vice President comes on your show and points to the NEW YORK TIMES. It’s a circular, self-confirming leak.
TIM RUSSERT: I don’t know how Judith Miller and Michael Gordon reported that story, who their sources were. It was a front-page story of the NEW YORK TIMES. When Secretary Rice and Vice President Cheney and others came up that Sunday morning on all the Sunday shows, they did exactly that.
TIM RUSSERT: What my concern was, is that there were concerns expressed by other government officials. And to this day, I wish my phone had rung, or I had access to them.
BILL MOYERS: Bob Simon didn’t wait for the phone to ring.
BILL MOYERS: When you said a moment ago when we started talking to people who knew about aluminum tubes. What people-who were you talking to?
BOB SIMON: We were talking to people – to scientists – to scientists and to researchers and to people who had been investigating Iraq from the start.
BILL MOYERS: Would these people have been available to any reporter who called or were they exclusive sources for 60 minutes?
BOB SIMON: No, I think that many of them would have been available to any reporter who called.
After sitting in the Libby trial with jaw-dropping incredulity as Russert admitted he’d spilled his guts to the FBI when they first contacted him and then later refused to testify claiming he was protecting his source, and then listening to him say that all conversations were off the record unless otherwise specified, I thought we’d reached some sort of nadir in terms of Russert’s flat-out ignorance of basic journalistic principles. I was wrong.
What kind of a journalist sits around and waits for people to call him? Well, journalists don’t do that, but then again he’s the guy Cathie Martin said could be counted upon to let the OVP “control message.” I think “political operative,” “shill” and “wanker” are all probably more apt.
It’s astonishing that he’s still allowed to host perhaps the most influential of all the Sunday morning political talk shows, and yet, he is.
If you haven’t seen the documentary you can watch it here. As Glenn Greenwald says, there aren’t a whole lot of revelations in it, but to watch it all unfold chronologically in context is quite sobering. The story of how the administration’s case for war was bogus was there — the Knight Ridder reporters didn’t have trouble uncovering it — and yet our media elites continue to shrug their shoulders and say “how were we supposed to know?”
Eric Boehlert was great, and even though I thought the question that Moyers was asking Peter Beinert was kind of jive Beinart still managed to make an ass of himself. If you haven’t seen it, it’s highly, highly recommended.
Update: John Casper points us to this rather astonishing moment in Chris Cillizza’s recent ComPost chat:
New York: The Fourth Estate check/balance function Halberstam and the best journalists of his generation fulfilled are exactly those that have been so fundamentally abandoned, repudiated and scorned by our nation’s most prominent and influential media stars. Why do you think the Halberstams of yesteryear appear to have morphed into the “off-the-record” Russerts of today?
Chris Cillizza: I disagree with the premise. While there is no question that David Halberstam’s work was groundbreaking and is credited by many with creating a sense that the White House wasn’t shooting straight with the American people, I think modern journalists are doing their very best to emulate that sort of reporting.
And, frankly, Tim Russert is one of the best examples (I believe) of that kind of accountability journalism. I can’t count the number of politicians I have watched squirm and sweat when Russet uttered the words “Let me put something up on the screen for you and our viewers.”
Tim Russert is like David Halberstram? I have to say, this is one of the more remarkable analogies I’ve ever heard. Can you say “audition?” I thought you could.
Update 2: Digby wonders why “they” didn’t call Timmeh, either. Just not very hard.



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Jane!
The most annoying part of the program, for me, were the backpedaling media figures like Timmeh who tried to claim they HAD been skeptical of the Bush Administration, no, really they had! Grr…
Shorter Timmeh: “It’s the Democrats fault for being a minority.”
Jon Stewart’s going to be on Bill Moyers’ show tomorrow night. Must-see TV!
Me First?
Phoenix Woman @ 4
I hope he brings up Gannon.
Maybe Russert’s phone has no “send” button, to keep him from running up the phone bills.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com…..raise.html Clinton’s Guest Blogging Venue Raises Some Eyebrows
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s (D-N.Y.) first guest blog posting (that is, on a blog other than her own) is raising a few eyebrows in Democratic political circles.
Jane did you see this?
Lou Costello @
4
Yeah that bit was quite mystifying.
Hi Jane and Pups! Timmeh is totally shameless.
Ding ding ding ding!!! Jane, that was definitely the most irritating moment for me–the dog got scared I screeched at the screen so loud. What a complete lazy ass whiner.
Timmeh, WTF is wrong with this statement?
Do your F*CKIN’JOB, you IdioTool.
lolo @
9
A less controversial venue!! Bah Humbug
Froomkin’s lede today is on the benchmarks laid out by Bush for the surge in Iraq, the failure of anyone to have met the benchmarks thus far, and the inexplicable silence in the Washington Press Corps with regard to these failures.
As Moyers said, Russert is not alone — he just gives a great (negative) example of what passes for journalism in much of DC.
As soon as I saw the Russert segment, I was immediately reminded of Milquetoast Matt Cooper’s appearance on Monday’s The Daily Show.
Anybody else see the similarities ?
snowbird42 @
14
You just know the Clinton campaign staff is high-fiving each other over this — “Yeah, edgy, risk-taking Hillary! Keep talking about it!”
“What kind of journalist waits for ..calls?”
The kind that uses gop talking points faxed on a regular basis as demonstated in lazy assgooper journal101 taught exclusively at the
Jack Welch School of Corporate Fawning
The thing that gave me the complete creeps about Moyers’ show was that it brought back that whole feeling of great unease we both felt during that time. We KNEW we were being spun. We KNEW we were being lied to. But there was no way to get info at that time other than the BBC or other foreign news sources. We basically turned off the TV and radio for months, which about killed me. Then, I discovered blogs. Crisis averted.
Are others able to see the program through the PBS link? It won’t do anything for me — and I do have Windows Media 9. Just goes nowhere.
I hope it appears somewhere in Real Player or something.
Thanks Jane.
It reminded of some crap I read from the Compost’s Chris Cillizza in a chat on Tuesday:
Why would Tim Russert bother to pick up the phone and reach out to a source. After all, he’s TIM RUSSERT, celebrity. He doesn’t go to people, they come to him. Pumkin Head has blood on his hands for being the compliant and lazy spokesmodel that he is. America will be a better country when Tim is sent packing. Cheney’s bitch indeed.
I have not watched the Moyers special yet, I will.
One of the most telling Russert (weasel moments) was several months ago, when Cheney was on Meet the Press again and again. Cheney was going on and on about Iran’s nuclear weapons program (the unchallenged and unproven claims being endlessly repeated by the “cakewalk in Iraq” liars). When Cheney was done with his unsubstantiated claims. Russert did not simply ask “where is the hard evidence to back up your claims” Russert asked Cheney “how can we stop them”.
Russert has obviously learned nothing from the disastrous job that he and his cronies did in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq!
Russert is a prime example of why I no longer watch any of those larger than life talking brains on Sunday morning. Who needs it.
Moyers, and the progressive bloggers aka thinkers, giving the much-deserved smackdown to the stale POPs [political operative press] of Washington.
Great post, Jane! Your commentary on Russert, Begala on gasbag
Broder/RoverBrover, Josh on Andrea “I’ve never met a fact I couldn’t manipulate to make the Repukes look less pathetic” Mitchell.The founding fathers thought the free press was so important they gave it first place. Too bad the MSM in the beltway think it’s last… or least?
MSM, we’re lookin’ at you. Yeah, you. And we shall overcome.
Only slightly OT, but speaking of irresponsible members of the NBC media team, did you catch the latest Andrea Mitchell, “I’ll just make up a poll and then broadcast my fabrication?” Josh Marshall caught her today saying that polls show that Nancy Pelosi is just as unpopular as Denny Hastert was right before the 2006 election. The reality is that Denny was at 22% favorable and Nancy is at 44% favorable. Mrs. Greenspan strikes again.
Now I get it. I could have been a great reporter but my phone didn’t ring.
Oh, the humanity!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 24
I would rather pull up a chair with Chrisy or sleep in.
lolo @ 9
Linky no work……try this: http://blog.washingtonpost.com…..raise.html
Oklahoma kiddo @ 24
I’ve got better things to do on Sunday morning.
;)
Tim @ 16
yes.
Unfortunately, Pumpkinhead remains a figure of great reverence among the upcoming journo class, like Peter Baker at the WaPo:
I don’t remember the “sitting and waiting for a call” part of All the President’s Men. If young journos admire the Russert way (passively awaiting calls, everything off the record when speaking to a newsmaker, no followup questions, ever) then newspapers are truly a dying breed.
There will only be The Daily Show, Colbert, and the bloggers.
lolo @
9
Well, let’s see which is worse:
A controversial graphic online for one hour, removed, followed by an immediate acknowledgment of responsibility
OR
Managing Editor Bob Woodward covering up from his editor in the Scooter Libby case to preserve his elite insider access, which he used to cheerlead the war. http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..dward-one/
Feel free to post your own WaPo outrage. Anything from Fred Hiatt (who’s so bad that one of his own columnists, Colbert King reamed him out — though not explicitly by name, alas — in his farewell column last week), or maybe some excerpts from Bill Moyers’ report last night?
Y’know, it’s really not poor Timmy Potato’s fault. When he was taking that “learn journalism at home” correspondence course, he accidentally opened up the wrong textbook — and instead of reading a chapter on how good journalists question what they’re told and seek out the truth, he read about how baby birds blindly open their beaks and wait for someone to drop in some regurgitated worms.
And to this day, he’s never realized his mistake.
TeddySanFran @ 32
And that will be a good thing. I look forward to it.
Tim Russert has zero credibility … case in point
Russert’s role in the 2000 election
That doesn’t even count Timmeh’s famous interview of the Shrub with all the soft lighting back in 04, where he basically asked such hard hitting questions as “What’s your favorite color? What’s your favorite number? Are you a dog person or a cat person?”
Freakin’ jocksniffer!!!
TeddySanFran @ 32
and KO.
yes, KO rulez
Digby pulls both triggers on this very subject.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/
iirc, ADM (Archer Daniels Midland) is a major sponsor of Meet The Press. Wonder what they have to say about sponsoring streaming lies?
OT, working on a very exhaustive biography on A. Hitler and came across something quite relavent as to how the Nazi’s “managed”. Often times direct orders were not given but underlings knew what the higher ups expected of them and they then did what was necessary to promote the Party’s interests. Not unlike Roves politicalization efforts. The underlings don’t have to be told what to do. They know what is expected.
Complete non sequitur…
I was listening to KCRW online and just heard a song that sent chills up my spine: 16 Words, by Margo Guryan. You might be able to guess which 16 words… (Hints: uranium, Iraq)
Check it out on YouTube.
Timmeh your phone is ringing…
Madness, Madness, Madness
If those two Knight/Ridder/McClatchy guys ever get some traction, there’s your new Woodward/Bernstein (1970’s version) dynamic.
Readers of the WaPo blog citing Hillary’s “controversial” appearance should note that it appears that the blogger (Mary Ann Akers) took a phone call from Dan Gerstein, but appears not to have lifted a phone to call Jane. Just showing that she, too, appears to be aspiring to the standards already established.
I thought the most telling part of Moyer’s piece was when Walter Pincus admitted that the “journalists” stopped fact-checking Raygun in the early eighties – because they were getting complaints about being “mean” to him!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 24
Yes, and this is a good opportunity to thank the posters here who do watch the Talking Heads and then report for the rest of us. In fact, kudos to all who do the heavy lifting here so that others can just basically lurk — like me — and yet still be well informed.
TeddySanFran @
38
Hey TSF, did you see McCain on TDS?
Bluetoe#41, you’re exactly right.It’s very difficult to see the difference between a pre-arranged conspiracy versus like-minded individuals acting in concert.
This IS why the MSM rolled over for war:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..ckquot-98/
*Cartoons say the darndest things.
Given the adulation both Cillizza and Baker ladled onto Timmeh during their WaPoO chatz this week, I presume they knew what Moyers had locked and loaded. Were NBC a newsgathering and reporting entity, Moyers’ reporting, coming on top of the Cathie Martin testimony, would end Timmeh’s career.
Clearly Tim put the word out that his knob would need polishing — watch the Beltway Boyzengrlls make it shine this week.
And Andrea Mitchell? She’s just drunk, alla time.
Bustednuckles @
39
Yep, we talked after the show. Sent us both into orbit.
Does anyone have a transcript of the Mar 6 2003 press conf Moyers opens the show with? This turkey from CBS is claiming that
It would be really nice to really look at what questions and what follow-up there were.
Russert didn’t just not call anybody, he didn’t bother to read anything other than what was sent to him by Rove. All that information was available. I’m sure a lot of Firedog readers were those people who actually combed through the internet and other sources to find the truth. I live in freakin’ Montana and I knew Rove’s propoganda was a bunch of lies and I knew why! Hell I’ve got a full time job, 2 kids, and I still knew what was going on. Isn’t Pumpkin Head’s JOB to know facts? Really, how do any of these Dickheads keep their jobs? If I was wrong EVERY fucking day on my job, my ass’d be out on the street. There is simply no accountability.
I’ve emailed and phoned NBC countless times complaining about Russert’s bias and journalistic laziness. I suppose if enough people do it, targeting advertisers as well, perhaps Russert can be sent into retirement.
Did you catch the contrast to KO’s ending comment last night and Scarborough’s beginning with Rosie…
From the important to the trivial…
Jack
I saw the show last night, too. Bill Moyers is a public treasure.
Timmeh is not a journalist. He’s a Media Personality Talk Show Host. That’s his job.
Maybe its too much to expect him to be a journalist, too, but at least he ought to have someone at the top level of his staff, that he talks with every day, whose main responsibility is as an investigative Journalist. He ought to be relying on that person to coach him before every MTP with Questions To Ask. He ought to be thinking of MTP as being more like 60 Minutes, and less like Bowling for Dollars.
Bob in HI
martha @
19
I have lived and traveled in the Middle East (I even went to Iraq as a tourist once!). And I knew that there was (as Simon pointed out) that there was NO WAY in hell that Saddam would ever have anything to do with Al Qaeda or any other Islamic fundamentalist group.
One just has to know a tiny bit of history of the emnity between the Ba’athists and the Islamic brotherhood. The current Syrian President Assad’s father launched a wholesale slaughter of Islamicists in the 80s. There have been similar well-documented purges in Iraq.
What really pissed me off is that none of the Dems in Congress seemed to have a clue about any of this. I’m sure that there were plenty of careerists at State and the CIA who could’ve educated them on this point if someone had bothered to inquire.
It is also worth noting that both Syria and Iran made overtures to “help” the US in 2001, after 9-11. Classic Middle Eastern the enemy of my enemy is my fried diplomacy…
Morris Sheppard @
27
Morris, ding!
Petrocelli @ 48
Yeah, what a kidder!! IED jokes are so funny! Jon Stewart fell outta love on the air that nite.
Hello Russert pick up your phone and provide the American people with balanced and accurate information. Or we will continue to go to the Internet to get our info. You could have had Un weapons inspector Scott Ritter or Un’’s IAEA El Baradei. Diane Rehms was one MSMer who provided a wide scope before the invasion! Russert and other MSM outlets had Cheney, Rice, Bush, Rumsfeld, Kristol, Wolfowitz on their programs endlessly parroting the same WMD horseshit.
You MSM folks should have been listening to her show before the invasion. You might have heard other opinions from an endless list of retired Military, Cia analyst, historians, and UN weapons inspectors!
The MSM provided the American people with tunnel vision straight down the neo-cons false intelligence stovepipe. Which lead to the pre-emptive and illegal invasion of Iraq and the unnecesary deaths and injuries of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people and American soldiers!
Russert is swimming in blood with the Bush administration!
OT – I’d like to see Saint McCain say this to Cindy and the other families that have lost somebody:
SSSSSHHHHHHH!
Digby has uncoverd the secret recipe for the infamous “Coctail Weenie” that has caused so much brain damage in our press.
As a special treat just for Hullabaloo readers, my spies on the ground were able to discover the secret appetizer recipe Hitchens served at that fabulous Vanity Fair soiree at his condo. Shhhh. Don’t share it with anybody who isn’t somebody:
Drunken Cocktail Weenies
Ingredients:
1 cup ketchup
1/2 cup chili sauce
3 cups bourbon
1/4 cup onion — finely chopped
1/2 cup sugar (or grape jelly)
1 teaspoon Louisiana Hot Sauce
1 pound “Li’l Polksas” or Cocktail Franks
Directions:
Combine all ingredients except franks and one cup bourbon in saucepan and heat on medium heat until almost boiling. Drink remaining bourbon. Lower heat; simmer uncovered 5 minutes. Add franks; simmer 8-10 minutes until heated through. Serve hot in chafing dish.
Mmm-mmm-mmm.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/
Sorry Jane, I couldn’t resist,/blogwh*ring.
Ugh – OT but Ugh. Replay of this morning’s CNN interview with Kyra and Michael Ware. First of all, is Kyra sleeping with Petraeus? And why is Michael Ware sounding so Kyra-like?
Does Russert have a photo scrap-book with pictures of most of the main players in DC engaged in indiscrete acts with farm animals or something?
It’s a groupthink truism that he is as tough as nails. Tough? For God’s sake Gwenn Ifill made him look like a rube just by staring him down about his Imus asshattery.
In reference to his stint on the Moyers piece.
As I said late last night, he was sweating like Flounder on pledge night.
-GSD
Based on their comments during the Libby trial, I think Dan Froomkin and the folks at Editor and Publisher might disagree with DanGer stein’s and Mary Ann Aker’s characterization of FDL and Jane.
Jane, I agree. The moment with Timmy was my No. 1, too.
and Timmy looks like a pumpkin, yes, but to me he looks like the overripe beefeater tomato he is.
Eureka Springs @
40
Oh, geez, they probably write the script.
Bob Schacht @ 57
But he is also NBC’s Washington Bureau Chief, whatever that means. It probably means his mindset dictates all NBC coverage of DeeCee.
Perhaps Russert might want to put up his phone number on a graphic next Sunday morning, so that he won’t miss so much in the future.
And it sure laid out the case against Mockingbird Safire, too.
TeddySanFran @
60
I loved McCain channeling Rumsfeld in that flurry of asking/answering his own questions. Coming after the Bush V Bush debate, it was especially comical and showed how far McCain has gone … out of his mind.
Mae @ 65
3-way pillow talk?
Lou Costello @ 29
The “sleuth” is obviously an idiot comparing Jane Hamsher to Jeff Gannon..silly!
TiredFed @ 74
TiredFed – you crack me up!
Prairie Sunshine @ 25
Nit: No they didnt. The first congress approved 12 amendments to the constitution. The first two didnt pass. (OK, well one of the two did pass some 200 years later.) The remaining ten became the Bill of Rights. But the First Amendment was proposed as the third.
lolo @
28
I can usually find a movie somewhere on the cable box that’s better than trying to stomach Timmeh.
McCain has bombs on his brain. Last week it was his ghoulish quips about bombing Iran. This week it is even more ghoulsh quips about IED’s killing American’s who aren’t in the rightwing tank of warmongers.
The man is disturbed. He’ll be launching missiles from the inaugural podium.
-GSD
Russert is no more a journalist than Cheney is a saint or GWB a Rhodes Scholar. He’s a fricken’ Talk Show Host!!
Yeah, I was struck by that moment, too. Ms. Redshift happened to be out of the room at that point, and when she came back and asked what she’d missed, I said “Tim Russert is showing what a tool he is again.”
My other most appalling bit was this:
Yeah, Peter, you and your pals had no control over what the argument was about, it just happened, right? Another tool.
Bustednuckles @ 64
2 cups bourbon for the cook that explains it
Russert needs to be replaced, for MTP’s sake, or MTP should be gone.
Time to go, Tim, go write that book Colbert alluded to @ last yrs. WH Correspondents Dinner…
Pickled weenies for the press!
GR fan @ 78
oooh. a history buff. got any nits about impeachment, like why don’t we use it more often and what the FFs put it in the Constitution for? my sense is impeachment = You’re fired! Just a way to clean house once in a while. I’m sure Madison or Hamilton had a few choice words to say.
GSD @
79
I was on Late nite last night, hoping you and TSF would be there satirizing McCain, but it was not to be … or did I leave too soon?
“Tim Russert is like David Halberstram?”
He may very well be, Jane.
From Warren Hinckle’s “If You Have a Lemon, Make Lemonade: An Essential Memoir of a Lunatic Decade” (NY: G.P. Putnam’s Sons, 1974), pp.162-163…
“What critical reporting there was about Vietnam dealt with questions of the efficiency or practicality of the means of American policy but did not question its ends. It is a measure of the level of press criticism of America’s great Vietnam misadventure that David Halberstam was awarded the Pulitzer Prize in 1964 for calling Madame Nhu a bitch. Halberstam, long the war’s most celebrated critic, chastised the corrupt Nhu family and poked the wind machines of the General’s public relations machinery while still accepting the basic ideological tenets of American policy. In an Esquire interview in 1964 Halberstam worried that ‘this pretty little country will be lost.’ In his earlier book, The Making of a Quagmire, said Halberstam the war critic: ‘The lesson to be learned from Vietnam is that we must get in earlier, be shrewder and force the other side to practice the self-deception.’
I would not nitpick Halberstam were it not for his recent and nauseating criticisms of those liberal Establishment types who made America’s Vietnam policy – that they were the victims of some weepy, ill-defined hubris that kept them from seeing the fatal flaw in the whole undertaking – that the formulates in his trendy best seller, The Best and the Brightest, which must rank as one of the great bullshit books of all time. Halberstam adroitly skips over the fact that the American press establishment had its own best and brightest in Vietnam (not the least of them Halberstam) during those years of folly – a decade of electronic, plugged-in and satellited reporting that exhibited the same arrogance or, if we must, hubris of the ideology of the men whom Halberstam now so artfully brushes with the vanishing cream of tragedy.”
Eureka Springs @
40
What lies? What Timmeh says is what ADM wants to have be the truth. Guarantee that they have no problems whatsoever with anything Timmeh does and they would have extreme heartburn with Moyers or Stewart or Colbert or Olberman. I.E., individuals who actually practice journalism, even if from a comedic perspective.
kathleen @ 84
Pickled weenies are the press!
Will Congress launch a hearing into the complicity of MSM in selling this war?
Peter Beinart reminded me of a South Park character, but I couldn’t figure out which one. Of course, Gwen Ifill doesn’t watch South Park:
(Jane, ygm.)
Petro,
It’s all a blur.
Life during Bush’s wartime.
-GSD
MayDaze @
46
Because he was a “nice old man” even if a bit senile and suffering early stage Alzheimers.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 24
I, like some other bloggers here (luv u) are going to church on Sunday ams., Sometimes tape them, depending on if I’m UP singing or preaching — and have the timne to set the tape, but.. the point being, we all do what we can — in context.
The old “Know What You’re Facing” agenda applies. So,… Timmeh falls somewhere between those who care to follow the story (guys at Knight-Ridder) and (well, I guess the Rest Of Them), ‘cuase he DID face theMoyers! I’m just saying…I know it sucks, but there is a difference.
There is! Preaching to the choir is easy. (no offense meant…but???)
My brain has recently been trying to wrap around the thought of HOW DO WE PREACH outside the bos?
I love being a part of the firedog community — it reminds me of Vonnegut’s Lonesome No More idea. And I enjoy being able to live-blog hearing results. And I love the link-driven information, but..
I’m not sure. How to speak to the other side?
(working in my garden today. it’s a great way to put my hands in the dirt AND listen to hearings/votes/etc.)
From Moyers special ~ While showing video like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPg7uv0JPEA
The only difference between the MSM and Jeff Gannon is the hourly rate!
TeddySanFran @ 60
I read that his response to complaints about that were that the complainers needed to get a life. Just as he responded to those who complained about his “bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran” shtick.
Oh My Effing Dog.
To even momentarily equate Russert with Halberstam is downright criminal.
Tell me again, why does Cillizza — or Russert for that matter — still have a job?
They should be wearing orange vests picking up litter on the highway.
So does Pumpkinhead’s marriage make him an Orth-odonist?
dakine01 @ 95
McCain To Murtha: ‘Lighten Up And Get A Life’
well, well, well…..Is the women who wrote about Hillary the same as this woman:
Mary Ann Akers, Pretty in Pink?
Thursday October 12th, 2006 4:47 PM by Big
Mary Ann Akers, that superb gossip over at Roll Call, recently got engaged to journalist Michael Isikoff, co-author of the new book Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq. So, of course, we had to ask her all about the wedding and if she would, in fact, be wearing white.
http://www.bigheadrob.com/2006…..y-in-pink/
I have to say, my favorite bit was Beinart’s defensive, squirming, subject-changing bullshit. You could actually see him withering under Moyers’ gaze.
As i watched the bloviating ponce, I kept clenching my fists to fight back the overwhelming urge to drive to DC, [Mod Note; Please, no suggestions of violence towards public figures.]
The bush regime wants total control of the news. When they cannot have that, they create confusion. They obfuscate, make things way more complex than they are. If things seem confusing enough, people often give up trying to get at the truth. And that’s when propaganda takes over.
Before the war they were successful at sowing lies and somehow making the truth seem anti-American. Now they simply want to obfuscate and confuse everyone – and make these crazy pronouncements as if they can simplify things and sooth you, lull you into a state of mass hypnosis.
And many people choose the trancelike state of swallowing propaganda over digging for the truth.
It’s not just the press. It’s the people too.
GSD @
91
Thanks GSD, that is still so relevant, it makes me wonder when we as a society will evolve to our higher potential.
brendancalling @ 101
Yeah, he really is a smarmy ass…
Bluetoe @ 41
Esp. when their brainwashing is reinforced with powerpoint presentations and a corpse is left in the cubicle next to them…
I’m surprised MaryAnn didn’t mention the sandpaper theory wrt Ms. Hamsher.
MayDaze @ 90
oft an apt description!
Phoenix Woman @ 33
Wednesday on Ken Rudins Polical Junkie segment on NPR’s Talk of the Nation he referred to Colbert’s whitehouse truth telling last year as “mean spirited”.
Hello Ken! Colbert ripped into the Bush administration’s lies and into the MSM’s complicity in the run-up to the invasion with a searing super heroes weapon. THE TRUTH.
The public really enjoyed watching not only Bush squirm but the MSM was doing some butt scooching during Colberts drilling!
Maybe you are unable to recognize THE TRUTH!
Too bad you media types can’t take it!
As Frank Zappa might say, “Timmeh, I’m sorry you have a head like a potato”.
By the way, some of this stuff *was* out there for all to see, as per the Knight-Ridder reporters on Moyers. Case in point: aluminum tubes had been discredited by U.S.D.O.E. as not for centrifuges but likely conventional rocket casings.
Props still to Moyers, Bob Simon, K-R reporters.
Just saying, Bush/Cheney made it happen. They sold it to the public. They used the credibility of the U.S. Government & the WH to drown-out the facts and snooker the public.
Something to consider at, say, sentencing hearings.
IMHO, the problem will never be solved as long as corps. like GE and Disney own our news outlets. Stopping that has to be step 1. Then I think an honest press will be possible. But as it stands right now these corps. are only going to allow info that helps them retain money and power.
OfT:
Exciting news from the very brave LATimes Sports Reporter Mike Penner:
707!
Gunga Djinn @ 108
you say potato, and I say tomahto! ;)
brendancalling @ 101
I said last night that young Cassie, who is fifteen, is half Beinart’s age and twice as smart. Beinart showed himself to be nothing but a fool and a tool. Kinda fit right in with Timmeh and Cillizza (or however the name is spelled).
Well Jane and Dogs,
Here’s what would convince me to let Russert go. (I entered the lake defending him.)
I am skeptical that NOBODY called.
NOBODY tried to talk with NBC reporters, which would be relayed up the chain? NOBODY called the station when completely false information stood without challenge? How is that a true statement?
I don’t know the answer to this, but was it expected of Ted Kennedy to call Tim Russert? I was aware of Kennedy’s position because he was my senator.
How do people arrange appearances on Meet the Press? Invitations? Or do they call?
I’m rambling, but I’m trying to work out something here. I guess it’s this: Am I truly to believe that no one contacted NBC News about their concerns?
If anyone tried to get on Meet the Press, I would be interested in hearing about it.
I agree with the characterization that much of our national media are functioning as part of the federal Executive Branch today, as is obvious from the way “journalists” are presently deployed and overseen by their corporate for-profit employers. To me this is a given, and an ongoing and extremely grave threat to our democracy.
FYI:
Scott Bloch of the U.S. Office of Special Counsel (he of the “wide-ranging” WH/Rove/e-mail/Hatch Act investigation) will be the guest in the 8:00 AM EDT hour Friday of C-SPAN’s Washington Journal.
Gunga Djinn @ 108
we’ll make sure they remember
dakine01 @ 95 says
I read that his response to complaints about that were that the complainers needed to get a life. Just as he responded to those who complained about his “bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran” shtick.
McCain wants to take on Murtha … good luck to him. All soldiers deserve respect, but in a fight between a Marine and a Navy Pilot, I’ll take the Marine, especially when this Navy pilot is bereft of his senses.
TeddySanFran @ 38
Ko never touches the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Has failed to mention anything at all about the upcoming A*P*C trial. Matthews has whispered a few things. Olbermann may go left on some issues but like so many either does not talk about this conflict or just goes right (wrong) on this issue!
Yes. I caughMayDaze @ 46
Yes, I caught that, too. I think that was the defining moment. There was no interest at all in questioning Reagan; it might have been a hangover from the Nixon episode, it might have been his teflon, and it might well have been dirty politics. Whatever it was, it set the standard. As you all recall, there wasn’t any real investigative reporting on Clinton either. They just took the thug swill and drowned in it.
Senator Sherrod Brown (outed the II Phased Dewine) on C-span.
Sherrod dances with the light!
TeddySanFran @ 111
Saw that earlier (can’t remember who posted the link). Knowing what some “female sportswriters” have been through and still have to deal with, I can only imagine what Christine will have to deal with as a “transexual sportswriter.” The courage in that column is something else. Great story — thanks TSF (and whoever posted the earlier link)!
Boston1775 @ 114
nobody called my eye
If you can get a chance, slide on over to Americablog. Aravosis has some Youtube links of McCain calling for the immediate withdrawl of troops from Haiti and Somalia from the 1990’s.
Pathetic.
He’s emboldening the terrists……..
-GSD
Knut Wicksell @ 121
Wasn’t it during Reagan’s administration that the laws changed about big corporations could own media outlets? And consolidation of media outlets were allowed to happen?
3-9-2003: Press the Meat-Powell & Russert
MR. RUSSERT: Your testimony before the United Nations has now been directly challenged by members at the United Nations. This is what the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei, said, that, “In recent months, the administration and Britain have alleged Iraq illegally sought high-strength aluminum tubes for a centrifuge-based uranium enrichment program and had sough uranium from Niger.” He said experts had concluded the tubes were for a rocket engine program, as Iraq had said, and that documents used to allege the connection between Iraq and Niger were fabricated. Overall, he concluded there is no evidence that Iraq has revived a nuclear weapons program.
Mr. ElBaradei saying that you and the President misled the world on the aluminum tubes and that the documents, in terms of Niger and Iraq, were fabricated. Those are very serious charges.
SECRETARY POWELL: Well, with respect to the aluminum tubes, we still believe the case is out. The CIA has done a great deal of analysis on those tubes. They are not persuaded they were just for rockets. And, in fact, another nation this week, a European nation, came forward with some additional information that still, I think, leaves it an open question as to what the purpose of those tubes was.
snip
Then, Timmeh drops the subject.
http://www.state.gov/secretary…../18472.htm
Knut Wicksell @ 119
Exactly. The end of true journalism and the beginning of “he said, she said” tripe.
Petrocelli @ 90
They should! The MSM did not do their jobs and provide the American public with accurate information and shine their spotlight on the claims being made. Most of them failed the American public!
I bet Dean Broder has a sour-puss on right now.
-GSD
Elliott @
120
Phil Donahue’s bit about single conservatives=OK but needing two conservatives for any one liberal. Timmeh didn’t go hunting liberals/anti-war folks cuz he didn’t want to give a voice and face to theim.
OT ~ I just saw a flag-draped coffin on TV…oh wait…it’s just that Blue Angels pilot:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..d-in-iraq/
Blessing to him and his family.
If I went on the teevee and pushed my product and it ended up costing over 100,000 deaths, you can bet your bottom dollar there would be a hearing.
Swopa @ 34
Come on now, Swopa. You left out the other part of the quote which gestures at the other alternative, getting access to them. And surely it’s true, isn’t it, that one important source of news and reporting is when a source unknown to you reaches out to you, no?
And in fact there’s another part of the interview where Russert talks about talking with mid- and low-level folks in order to prepare to confront the high-profile policymakers on his spectacle on Sunday. Likewise, Russert is one of the few TV journalists I know who evidently – it’s clear from what he says – reads really good and hard-hitting investigative journalism produced in not necessarily the most prominent venues.
So, for instance, as far as I can tell, he’s the only MSM journalist and certainly the only TV journalist to pick up on Waas’ reporting on and confront Cheney with his own role in directing Libby and participating in the declassification of otherwise classified information.
Hey Jane,
Maybe YOU ought to give Russert a call, and see if he’d like to have you on his show. You could fill him in on the stuff he hasn’t been hearing about through his phone.
He’d probably really appreciate it, so that he doesn’t get blindsided by Moyers again.
Elliot,
Thanks for the much needed edit.
Boston
cathy @ 124
IIRC, that happened on Clinton’s watch – or, at least the biggest change in that direction came about 1996 or so, when media ownership consolidation was allowed.
GSD @ 130
yeah, that Bush Rebound has taken Broder’s boy to 28!
GSD @ 123
I noticed McCain (and his pal Lindsey) could not even put his vote where his mouth is on todays war spending bill.
ccmask @ 132
Or you might just be Big Tobacco.
dakine01 @ 129
he understood what the program was
cathy @
124
Reagan & Bush41 did much to push America to a fascist state, and got so much accolades for doing so that Bush43 dusted off their playbook, got their ‘team leaders’ on board and set sail on the same mission. It is no small feat, that Americans have gotten wind of this and are working at reversing the damage, you all deserve a pat on the back. Keep fighting the good fight.
tpmmuckraker has something about Andrea Mitchell making stuff up again. I can’t get it to load. Any idea what she said now?
pow wow @ 114
oh boy can’t wait..pass the popcorn er..no butter.
Lou: Here is a place you can see a beautiful essay wrt American soldier funerals…after taps a new page opens and hit play.
http://inmotion.magnumphotos.c…..fruit.aspx
ccmask @ 100
This is very interesting to me. During the Libby trial I was sitting behind David Corn and Isikoff. I over heard Iskikoff ask Corn don’t these bloggers and others attending the trial “have lives”. He was obviously annoyed by the new and needed “blogger journalist”.
So now his fiance “the sleuth” insults Jane by comparing her to Jeff Gannon! I guess that opens the door to comparing Mary Ann Akers to Joan Rivers.
yeah, what’s up with OldWarLord McCain and BoyWonder Lindsey not voting, anyway?
GSD @ 78
Don’t hurt me, but I feel sorry for McCain. He had a chance in 2000. I think what we are watching sadly is the shriveling soul of a once very good man who sold out. It really does affect the mind. Either that or the trip to the market incurred some flashbacks. I feel sorry for him. Someone should gently escort him to the couch and get him a drink of water and give him a hug. Tell him it’s ok to sit this one out.
Peterr @ 133
Jane, I’ll be your secretary and make the call for you. Just give me the word.
Maybe we should all call Timmeh and tell him the truth.
Lou Costello @ 138
smart alleck :)
Solai @ 140
it’s up above somewhere
Peterr @ 133
have Jane on the show!? she’s a WOMAN! ♀
why does he hate women? ♀♀♀
do-si-do @ 146
If you want to feel sorry for someone, you are wasting your time on McCain. Help a vet.
Timmeh doesn’t have enough balls to have Jane & Christy on. Never.
OT – But holy mother, any article entitled, “Robert Novak is Right* and Monica is on Her Way” must be read and scrutinized for cooties, don’t you think? Excerpt:
Buttercheeks Gonzo will be face down on the pavement wearing the grill marks from a Blue-Bird very soon, don’t you think?
Oh, and the handprints of a pasty slug-like creature firmly pressed into the middle of his back…
I was informed by an NBC employee that the 3 letters had a specific meaning on the east coast of the country.
Nepotism
Before
Competence
They still have jobs because the Sunday talking heads are simply a form of wingnut welfare. I’d say they’re going the way of the dinosaurs, but might offend TRex.
I’d like to see an accurate ratings number for them.
TeddySanFran @ 142
If you don’t vote, you can make excuses about why and then claim that you’d have voted the way that now shows you in the best light. There’s a campaign on, after all.
lolo @ 142
Yeah, well, no butter flavoring, anyway.
Maybe we can get Helen to live-blog, if it’s not too early for her?
do-si-do @ 145
McCain served his country by putting his own ass on the line. This is more than many Republicans can say for themselves. I felt horrible for him when he was broad sided by the Republican party (Rove) and then licked his wounds( I am sure this was nothing compared to being a prisoner of war) and stayed in the game. He has obviously lost it by trying to tell the world that Iraq was safe and then singing BOmb Bomb Iran. Lost it
do-si-do @
146
I had thought the same of McCain earlier, but know I believe that he was masquerading all along, and will say/do anything to get elected.
I am glad that he did not win in 2000, the damage would have been far greater because he elicits more respect than Bush and everyone would find it harder to doubt St. McCain.
Che Pasa @
96
If that’s the case, here’s some more crime:
David Halberstam, New York Times, Friday, 4 October 1963, pp.1 & 4:
(quote on)
Lodge And C.I.A. Differ on Policy
…At the moment, some sources say, there is a growing effort to make the C.I.A. the scapegoat for the unhappy events of the last six weeks. When Government forces raided Buddhist pagodas on Aug. 21 the C.I.A. seemed confused about what was going on. There followed the demand by Washington that Ngo Dinh Nhu and his wife be pushed out of the Government, defiance of that demand by Ngo Dinh Diem, and Washington’s decision to go along with the regime.
Some persistent enemies of the intelligence agency are accused of using recent events as an opportunity to voice their bitterness against the agency.
Many persons in Saigon contend that in general intelligence operatives here are at the highest caliber, and say they have played vital roles in some of the most successful programs of the complicated counter-insurgency machinery.
(quote off)
Halberstam was a cheerleader for the CIA’s policies in Vietnam — policies which ran counter to those of President Kennedy’s.
http://tinyurl.com/2pcqcv
Halberstam later became a critic of the Vietnam War; and Timmeh the Lapdog may yet try to cover his tracks.
Seriously I think 175 firedogs should call Timmeh. Each firepup could read one page of Anatomy Of Deceit to him.
Playing catchup again….
John Casper 21 wrt WaPo Fixer’s chat and defense of Russert. Romano today – same thing. I think maybe yesterday with Baker, too.
Circling wagons?
do-si-do @ 146
I kind of feel the same way. Listening to his stump speech where he says “I may not be the youngest candidate, but I’m the most experienced,” came off as, just, pathetic. The line is supposed to be a joke, a dig at Obama and Edwards, and a reference to his supposed stature in the GOP.
But face it, John, you’re from a generation whose time has passed. Sit this one out. Give Bush’s mess to the Democrats-you certainly can’t clean it up.
kathleen @ 156
McCain has dishonored his own service by sucking up to Bush.
Eureka Springs @ 162
1-800-pumpkin
Blank Kludge @ 165
Unquestionably — the word is out to the younger journamilzm set in DeeCee: defend the Punkinhead from Moyers!
TeddySanFran @ 60
John Murtha who finished off the House debate last night lit into a certain unnamed politician twice for making jokes about IEDs. Hmmmm, I wonder whom he had in mind?
Hugh @ 168
Murtha Slams McCain Over ‘Outrageous’ IED Joke
Timmeh is a natural result. He is the eventuality of Moorcock’s “Dreaming City” anology that is our current society.
If someone brought up Matt Stoller last month for this increadible piece, I appologize for being late to the scene but it probably deserves a revisit, again and again. It reads like the first time I read a Burroughs’s novel, naked and raw, and it eats your lunch!
And, thus we get Timmeh and the rest of the Nantucket dreamers rather than a real working media to keep the authoritarian system in check.
May I just say that Jane has been in fine form this past week or so.
Eureka Springs @ 162
Nice concept, but I think that might qualify as enabling the lazy sonuvabeeyatch.
I’d rather prepare a nice graphic post card, a telephone on the front side, a typed message on the back consisting of instructions on how to make a f*cking domestic phone call.
And then 20,000 FirePups each mail him a post card…
Timmeh was my favorite too. I liked the bit where he said the problem was not the press abrogating its responsibility to question and investigate but that we did not have an opposition party to challenge the administration. So, in other words, stenography and parroting words really are the only functions of the press.
Petrocelli @ 160
Agreed. I was really worried about McCain, with his “maverick” rep and all, until he revealed himself to be a total tool, so completely that even the independents could see it.
Rayne @ 172
Excellent idea!
Rayne @ 172
Excellent idea. ‘Cept make it 571,029 firepups: http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=st…..iredoglake
twolf1 @ 166
Two great points!
twolf1 @ 166
twolf, you dog!
Elliott – I’m game. *s* His invitation for a phone call should not be ignored, imo.
David Broder compared Harry Reid’s saying the war is lost to Alberto Gonzales’ cluelessness.
Can we please inaugurate some media awards? If we do, I think one of the categories should be for crazy bitter old coot. I have someone in mind.
Does anyone know how guests are booked on Meet the Press?
Boston1775 @ 181
Not by telephone.
bear with me…I’m trying to learn how to unnest quotes and earn a biscuit…
Yeah, I think he’s being used, being made to feel like he’s one of the “cool kids” now that he’s learning Rove Code. Or something. “Hey, McCain, go defend the war and we’ll help you win class president.” “Really? Ok.”
Putting one’s ass on the line still counts for something with me. I was on a trip to WDC and some kids were laughing as we approached the Changing of the Guard ceremony in Arlington. I hissed these very words to them.
You have a point, Petrocelli, about military sainthood. I’m vulnerable to this myself.
What do shrinks call it when men without war service compensate by becoming really hawkish? Bush/Cheney/ and my rapid Repub all fall into this category. It’s really sickening.
I hope someone can present themselves in 2008 and protect and preserve our Constitution vs. wrapping themselves in the flag.
5.71 k post cards with the flag stamp upside-down.
Mack @ 172
You may indeed.
Boston1775 @ 181
Carrier pigeon or pony express, I’m not sure.
Boston1775 @
181
Jack Welch spins his golf-buddies Rolodex and stops it with a champagne and cavier covered finger three or four times to get a nice fair and balanced roster.
-GSD
twolf1 @ 179
They choose from their Rolodex with 12 names in it.
Faster than me, GSD.
Timeh looks really haggard these days. Someone should take some tweezers to the almost uni-brow look. Everytime I see his face, I think of a cartoon character.
Boston1775 @ 178
out of the OVP.
harriett @ 190
I think the Libby trial took a lot outta Tim. Personally and professionally. As it should have done.
Boston1775 @ 182
UPS*
Unpleasant Phone Solicitation.
Rayne @ 174
instructions on how to make telephone call, check
pic of telephone, check
Mailing address, check
Print and mail — woo hoo! 52 cents well spent.
lolo @ 142
selise @ 191
Mary Matlin does the booking.
kathleen @ 144
Isikoff had a “life” during Whitewater and Monicagate. It consisted of copying down leaks from Ken Starr and speed-editing them into Newsweek articles.
And as for Akers re: Gannon, it seemed as much an attempt to dump Gannon/Guckert in the Democrats’ lap (so to speak) as an attempt at humor. She really must think her readers are idiots. From the comments that have been left, they’re not.
I lost all respect for McCain when he took the beating from the Swiftboaters, then went on to lick Bush’s boots.
Had he wanted to really be the straight talk maverick, he would have distanced himself from Bush thereafter.
Sadly he, like so many Repubs in supporting Bush hooked his wagon to the wrong star. Its coming back to haunt him.
With all the crazy stuff he has pulled lately, I do question whether he as gone off the deep end. It just isn’t rational.
My favorite moment thus far: Johnathan S. Landay (Knight-Ridder) is talking about generally believing the story that Iraq probably had WMD, and then doing a month’s-worth of research into it. Cheney appears on TV and says “We now know that Saddam has resumed his efforts to aquire nuclear weapons.” And Landay says, “I got on the phone WITH SOMEBODY WHO WATCHED PROLIFERATION AS THEIR JOB, [who] said the Vice President is lying.” [emphasis added]
Gotta wonder who that proliferation expert was, dontcha? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm…
oops
MayDaze @
46
And they weren’t very damned mean to begin with. The majority of them fawned over him, from day one. I wasn’t sure at any press conference that some MSM toady wouldn’t tear off clothes and scream “Take me now!” That’s how bad it was. They were all making eyes at that old pervert that didn’t belong in a bad French romantic farce.
Boston1775 @ 181
I understand it’s all done on Blackberries. :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/n…..217893837/
R.I.P. Bobby Boris Pickett.
-GSD
retirin’ in five @
184
That may be a little too obscure a ref for Timmeh. (If ya don’t know, upside down flag is symbol of distress.)
harriett @ 190
That’s cuz he IS a cartoon character.
Eureka Springs @
40
You’re kidding, right? ADM is one of the biggest corporate welfare whores, ever. The total of their tax breaks and subsidies is higher than several social programs combined.
LJ/Aquaria @ 197
What was worse was they continued to propagate the myth of the Great Communicator despite this.
TSF @ 145
They both voted. The missing were Enzi and Johnson. Johnson has a valid doctor’s excuse. Don’t know about Enzi’s reason.
Hugh @ 206
That’s why we on the other side called him the Great Prevaricator.
Good times, good times…
Since we were discussing environmental health issues with Kerry this might be of interest. Another Fox-in-the-Henhouse:
From the
Stop Michael Broody websitePresident Bush has nominated Michael Baroody – one of Corporate America’s leading anti-consumer henchmen – to head the Consumer Products Safety Commission (CPSC) – our top government agency protecting millions of Americans from injury and death from unsafe products.
For the past 13 years, Michael Baroody has served as Executive Vice President at the National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) – a K Street lobbying behemoth devoted to helping big manufacturers evade accountability for their wrongdoing.
The CPSC protects American consumers from deadly or harmful products – ranging from flammable children’s pajamas to collapsing cribs. Now, a leader in the fight against the CPSC has been nominated by President Bush to head this important agency.
During his tenure at NAM, Michael Baroody:
Fought to allow a higher level of arsenic in drinking water: NAM claimed that negligent manufacturers would feel a pinch in their profits if forced to prevent their waste products from poisoning local communities.
Arsenic is often found downstream from negligent chemical producers and users that knowingly try to bypass EPA Regulations – thus endangering all communities downstream. A deadly poison, even in the smallest amounts, it causes shock, vascular disease and a plethora of cancers in the body.
GSD @ 202
oh man, that’s sad
RIP indeed
Thanks Hotflash!
LJ Aquaria, All the more reason they should be challenged, imo.
LJ/Aquaria @ 205
Especially since ethanol is actually bad for the environment.
Boston1775 @ 181
Best damn question I ever asked. Funny people. Funny, funny people.
Now, here it is again. It never occurred to me that people would call and ask to be on in order to provide a counter argument. Is Russert seriously saying that it’s up to us?
Eureka Springs @
211
I wish you luck. They don’t have any shame. None. That’s why I don’t shop at Super Target.
Eureka Springs @ 179
I’m in!
kathleen @ 144
Talk about Tools, I see Liarman’s Gerstein has something to say. “The” Sleuth should worry about how she is being used. Who was that young blogger hired by the Washingtonpost who had a history of vile racist posts which were in part exposed here on FDL? Then after that, somebody plants a story with Drudge, Malkin, and subsequent numerous troll posts on Huffingtonpost, the story gets spun away from Liarman using Clinton to get black votes. I hope Hillary sees what kind of friend she has with Liarman and Liarman’s former staff. It appears the Washington Post still needs help in finding a blogger with integrity. And please if they are going to call themselves Sleuths investigate rather than pass along some organizational grudge as news.
Dakine01 — I’ve been deliberately doing my stamps this way for a number of years. And I know — tinfoil hat on — there are many thousands like me. A Ghandi-ish passive resistance-ish thing, or at least I like to think so.
P J Evans @ 207
If we are talking about today’s vote on the supplemental, Graham, McCain, and Johnson were not voting.
http://www.senate.gov/legislat…..vote=00147
Richard Clarke KICKS serious ass (via Americablog):
“Yet in the fantasyland of illogic in which the President dwells, shaped by slogans devised by spin doctors, America can “win” in Iraq. Then, we are to believe, the terrorists will be so demoralized that they will recant their beliefs and cease their terrorist ways.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/opi…..o_sle.html
Hugh, the list I saw had Graham and McCain as ‘nay’ and Enzi as not voting.
Rayne @ 172
postcards come with the added benefit of no anthrax suspicion, remember, NBCs Tom Brokaw got one of those warning cards.
I think I’ll use a local postcard, that way he can see where America’s coming from.
What is this Republican obession with WINning anyways.
Remember how well it worked for Gerry Ford?
mc @ 219
retirin’ in five @ 217
Put ‘em on any way you like as long as you put ‘em on the bottom/top edge on the side with your address. We don’t care. Just pay us.
–A message from your resident postal worker
Hey, it’s only $0.84 to make and mail a custom postcard on line.
Very tempted to set up an account…found a very nifty pic of a telephone to use for this purpose…
Swopa is upstairs, fyi.
P J Evans @ 207
WaPo votes database sez Graham and McCain were Not Voting.
P J Evans @ 217
i think that was the vote on the original senate bill (not the conference report version).
today was the senate vote on the conference report.
LJ/Aquaria @ 225
Well, — tinfoil hat again — I’ve always wondered whether some directive might be handed down some day that says ‘don’t deliver the mail from the unpatriotic sob’s that won’t properly post the flag on the mail’.
mc @ 219
I always ask the local nutters what it is we’re going to “win” in Iraq. Takes a while, but if you’re patient, you can get them to see that the Bushies don’t have any real goals there. Except the oil.
Cliff Varnell @ 160
Those are some wide and long tracks. Going to be impossible to cover these days!
Rayne @ 172
I almost missed this one — LOL. I really like this idea. And we all need to sign ourselves as FirePups…
Call me crazy, but I think I am going to send Timmeh a postcard!
As always FDL makes me think. With this thread about the media sychophants to the administration, I was thinkin on Dylan Thomas:
retirin’ in five @ 228
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Man, you are soooo funny!
We’re lucky if people know to put addresses on their letters.
Tim Russert hasn’t been a reporter for a long time. He’s trading on his Buffalo routes as an average guy who made it to the top and keeps earning his keep every day. Humbug. He’s a multi-millionaire Metro Man; he acts like a medieval pope who has decided he can dispense with all those prayers and celibacy.
For a law school graduate, he wasn’t very quick on his feet in responding to the obvious questions from Moyers. The line that implied critical thinking was only something the Democrats had to do was pure Rove. No wonder Dickie Poo thinks he’s soooo easy to handle.
Rayne @ 224
excellent
P J Evans @ 220
Enzi and Johnson are the not voting on the Senate version of the supplemental passed on March 29. House and Senate went into conference and produced a report (bill) which was passed today.
http://www.senate.gov/legislat…..vote=00126
LJ/Aquaria @ 228
Richard Clarke and Flynt Leverett at the New America Foundation
http://www.newamerica.net/pres…..ew_america have been speaking truth to power for quite awhile
LJ/Aquaria @ 229
Bush is using the troops/war to shield his unconstitutional crimes in the US. Commander in chief, matter of national security and all that. He really needs a trip behind that woodshed. I blame the parents.
Quzi @ 231
It’s gonna rayne down on Timmeh!
“We’re lucky if people know to put addresses on their letters.”
Yeah. Good point.
Seriously, hon, don’t worry about it. 90% of all the letters we process are done by machines. Nobody looks at ‘em. We don’t have time to look. You’re okay. Honestly.
“How were they supposed to know?” Well, the same way I did know…… Use your head. Saddam was a leader who didn’t even control 2/3 of his own country. Kurds and no fly zones in the north, and no fly zones in the south. He has been under and embargo for years. And in spite of all this, he managed to develope nukular capability? Plus a delivery system for that capability? Hell, back in the first Gulf “War” he could barely manage to lob a few scud missiles into Israel and most of those just started brush fires. Wouldn’t a resonably intelligent journalist question how all this could have come about?
Quzi @ 231
How about some pink slip postcards for Abu, too?
I would like to compare Jane Hamsher to Helen Thomas. They both have the same kick ass souls with a commitment to truth and justice!
They both ask challenging questions and are committed to bringing the public the facts so that we can make decisions and prod our reps towards the light. Both committed to the publics “right to know”
Thank you Helen Thomas! Thank you Jane!
do-si-do @ 238
I’m talking about Iraq itself–what’s the goal. The nutters never know what’s up there. It’s enough to convince them that there’s no there there. The rest is too much for them to process until a later date.
kathleen @ 237
thanks for the link, Kathleen! You are so right about Leverett & Clark.
we need to listen for those who will speak truth to power.
Your post is right on, as usual. I think the statement from Cillizza is revealing. He equates making public figures “squirm” with doing good journalism.
Asking someone a question that s/he has a hard time answering in public and on-the-fly is not the same thing as finding out the truth, but I think that’s one of the directions journalism has gone, especially for the talk-show hosts. Making the powerful person look uncomfortable is the goal; it’s what provides entertainment value.
Notice also that this view (i.e., Cillizza’s) of what makes good journalism is what lets the Right complain of “liberal bias” simply because a reporter asks a Republican a hard question, or argue that using untruths to defame a Democrat is simply a case of turnabout-is-fair-play. The spectacle of conflict is what journalism is about.
Yes Elliot…
It’s gonna rayne down on Timmeh!
do si do — I like your pink slip idea too.
LJ/Aquaria @ 243
I’ve been paranoid for no reason? (Story of my life.)
McGovern on Cheney. McGovern was on Talk of the Nation for a few minutes Wednesday. Hey Jane and Christy McGovern would be a great guest of FDL
http://www.newamerica.net/pres…..ew_america
LJ/Aquaria @ 245
ITA. And when I read your post I was/am so inspired to do same. I have been gnashing my teeth for ANYONE on ANY forum to state the goals in Iraq. That’s what makes the MadTV I-Rack so funny (unfortunately).
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.”
Kathleen: Nice link, but I don’t exactly have a computer handy when I’m debating these fools. It’s at work, and we peons don’t have Internet access. The only computer I see all night is the one that tells a multimillion dollar machine how to process the mail.
LJ/Aquaria @ 241
Hi Postal Worker LJ/Aquaria! I appreciate all that my mail carrier does to bring me my mail. Too bad you have to deliver all what goes straight into the recycling bin, tho.
But you always bring the birthday cards!
Well, it’s good practice.
Hope everyone has had the opportunity to leave a comment at the Washington Post concerning their dinosaur, David Broder. So far there are over 34 pages of entries with at least 95% critical of the washed up beltway hack. Send him your regards. It’s fun.
Hugh @ 236
Okay, now I get it. (I bet Johnson wishes he were there.)
I’m sending Timmeh a regular postcard, “Greetings from Here!” and then “Get Busy, Buster.”
and I’m using the common buckeye butterfly postcard stamp, so my thoughts will flutter into his office.
Bluetoe @ 255
I think Mary Ann needs the same FDL courtesy, I just left my courtesy post!
Jeff@132
Defjeff, is that you again? Whoever you are, your grammar has improved.
retirin’ in five @ 248
To give you an idea of how low the chances are that I’ll see your letter? For one typical city zone, we usually process 30-50K letterpieces, every single day. That’s just the letters. Some zones have even more mail than that, but that’s about the average for most of them. Your letter is the proverbial needle in a haystack. It would have to poke me somehow to get my (or the machine’s) attention–an unusual size or shape, leaking/powdery, getting caught in a mechanical jam, flying out of the machine (I’ve been beaned so many times…). Even then, I toss it into a tray for somebody else to process. And they only care if you have a stamp at all (bonus if you do), and if you have a legible address. Your carrier is too busy trying to get through his route to care.
Besides, we have lots of postal employees who think it’s fun to put stamps on sideways and the like.
Elliott @ 252
If it’s any consolation, I hate processing a lot of it. It pays the bills, but honestly… Capitol One could BURN as far as I’m concerned. And those stupid local coupon companies. I dread seeing them.
Ya gotta ove blogs though. For years, the newspapers were able to pick a couple of opinions out of a hat to print each day. You can imagine how many derogatory ones they must have thrown away for years, before blogs. Must have been nice picking the ones that helped “move” your story. Ah well, those days are gone.
Will probably get epu’d but kinda interesting to note……
Rerun of Tillman/Lynch hearing playing on C-Span1. Am almost positive one of the people sitting behind Gimble is Andrew Cockburn (author of Rumsfield). Wonder what he’s working on relative to subject matter.
twolf1 @ 169
Oh, boy twolf. I just got home and saw Murtha. Thanks for this link.
So interesting to see who in the MSM has touched, reported, whispered anything about the upcoming A*P*C Rosen espionage trial. Could not find anything that Micheal Iskikoff (who had his nose up the Clintons butts about the b.j.) or David Corn have written focused on this trial. We know Lou Dobbs, Keith Olbermann, Joe Scarborough have not touched the story. Chris Matthews (once whispered about a change in the trial for the I believe the fifth time) I don’t believe that Diane Rehms has touched the story.
Googled Seymour Hersch and the A trial, nothing came up. Does anyone know whether Seymour Hersch (another one of my journalist heroes, has written anything about the A*P*C espionage trial?) I would hate to think about him being a chicken shit when it comes to this investigation and trial
Will be oh so interesting as this trial approaches June 5 who in the mainstream will touch it. So far not much.
Mydaze at 46 — I was writing for the Los Angeles Herald Examiner in the 80s. EVERYBODY knew that Ronnie’s brain had turned to raspberry junket but NOBODY wanted to say it. The assassination attempt was greeted with …. relief. At last they would have a legit excuse for keeping their distance (insert refrain from “Don’t Cry For Me Argentina”)
I rather like Mrs. Timmeh. She plays a featured role in The Cockettes documentary. Why she’s married to that L7 I have no idea. Met her at the Los Angeles Times Book Fair a couple years back where we did a panel together. I go every year.
I trust many Firedoggies will attend it this weekend. Wouldn’t miss Gore Vidal for the world!I’ll be wearing my “BUSH LIES!” T-shirt, as usual.
Meanwhile. . .
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And Russert pulled his “I’m just a blue-collar guy from Buffalo” schtick again.
I’d really like to know if he even remembers the last time he grossed less than $100K for the year. Or for that matter, the last time he grossed less than $100K for the month.
From the Cameron Crowe film, ALMOST FAMOUS:
“He was never a PERSON. He was a JOURNALIST.”
Adapted for Tim Russert:
“He was never a JOURNALIST. He was an INTERVIEWER.”
Jeff @
132
I’ll plead no contest to the rest of your comment, since I didn’t watch the Moyers special, nor do I watch Meet the Press.
But regarding the above, I can say with a high degree of confidence (albeit no proof) that “… or I had access to them” was a bit of improvised ass-covering, appended after the words “I wish my phone had rung” came out of his mouth and he realized how awful that sounded.
If you want to listen to Moyer’s talk about this, and other things like Fox New’s nefarious doings, go to i-tunes and listen to it on NPR’s Fresh Air’s Monday show. Its worth it.
We should take this as a lesson not as history. Moyers: “Contrary opinions weren’t very popular in Washington”.
Good on Moyers. When O’Reilly hates you (as he does Moyers and Olbermann), it should be taken as a compliment
“Men don’t change; they simply reveal themselves.”
Russert IS NOT a journalist and effectively said so to Moyers. He waits to be informed, spun and lied to. Rinse, lather, repeat. He started as a political operative and remains one to this day in the pay of GE. Case closed. He does have a big head, though.
I was also not impressed with Peter Beinart.
Has he always been like this? I didn’t appreciate his stance before the invasion, nor his rationalization then.
And the explanation now, for Peter’s position then and now, wears thinner each time I hear it.
What gives?
And Fred Kagan. His credentials are? Yet, there he was, back on the Lehrer Report–though I should be nice. He fit on that show like the next pea in the pod.
My favorite part was clips of Hillary Clinton and John Kerry offering thoughts about the wisdom of going to war in Iraq.
I can’t count the number of Democratic politicians I have watched squirm and sweat when Russet uttered the words “Let me put something up on the screen for you and our viewers.”
There, I fixed his typo.
Okay, way EPU’d, but things must not be going too well at the WaPost.
Did you notice in Moyers report that Howie Kurtz and Walter Pincus did not have flat screen computer consoles on their desks, but still are using the old CRT displays. Seems the whole newsroom has not got a technology upgrade in awhile. Must be budget cuts.
pow wow @ 115
PEER article today says that WH has asked for his resignation twice; their (?)investigation of his misdeeds about to be wrapped up.
lots of speculation this week on his validity as an investigator. The article cites numersous ways that he can not because he doesn’t have the authority. Saw the reference on Buzz Flash.
Bill Moyers finally being back on the air is turning FAUX News “pundits & thumbsuckers” into raving, rabid, foaming at the mouth rants.
My God, they’re threatening by a journalist on PUBLIC TV? They must really be desperate!
Its interesting Rosie O’Donnell got yanked from The View, after her hosting of some swank Luncheon where she did the unpardonable: made comments embarrassing to FOX News power, The Dark Lord, the Sith: Rupert Murdock; & has the guts to criticize the Iraq War, etc.
During Vietnam War, Baby Boomers should recall that “Smothers Brothers” comedy show, was yanked off the air, because they said some stuff against that Godawful mess.
Halberstam, who criticized the Vietnam War & has criticized the Iraq War, dies in a car crash. Hmmmm.
It’s dangerous to speak Truth to Power in the Land of the Free? Press!
“Halberstam, who criticized the Vietnam War & has criticized the Iraq War, dies in a car crash. Hmmmm.”
He wasn’t all that, it seems:
http://dennisperrin.blogspot.c…..redux.html
If Imus can be fired for making a joke, an insensitive joke, but non the less a joke, shouldn’t NBC fire Russert for aiding and abetting war criminals. E-mail NBC and the companies who run ads on Meet the Press.
Finally! Bill Moyers in his “Buying the War” has exposed Tim Russert and his ilk for what they are…enablers for a very “Drunken Neocon
Liars”. Those of us who disagreed with this warring administration were gifted with fore-
sight to read through the lies. Selecting a president in 2000 was shot with suspicions of
distrust however, being in the “in group” is just too much fun and who cares about the troops and the civilians killed or maimed.
Florence Murphy @ 282