
(Photo from Baghdad today via Reuters.)
In response to Congressional passage of a supplemental funding bill that includes a timeline for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq, a spokesman for the Iraqi government complained to the Associated Press today:
"We see some negative signs in the decision because it sends wrong signals to some sides that might think of alternatives to the political process," Ali al-Dabbagh told The Associated Press.
. . . "Coalition forces gave lots of sacrifices and they should continue their mission, which is building Iraqi security forces to take over," al-Dabbagh said.
Um, although I'm sure the Bush administration appreciates your willingness to recite their talking points, Mr. al-Dabbagh, didn't they bother to inform you that the goal of "building Iraqi security forces" is no longer operative? And about that "political process" you're defending, here's an update from the Washington Post this morning:
U.S. military commanders say a key goal of the ongoing security offensive is to buy time for Iraq's leaders to reach political benchmarks that can unite its fractured coalition government and persuade insurgents to stop fighting.
. . . Ten weeks into the security plan, even as U.S. lawmakers propose timelines for a U.S. troop withdrawal, there has been little or no progress in achieving three key political benchmarks set by the Bush administration: new laws governing the sharing of Iraq's oil resources and allowing many former members of the banned Baath Party to return to their jobs, and amendments to Iraq's constitution. As divisions widen, a bitter, prolonged legislative struggle is hindering prospects for political reconciliation.
"They are all up in the air," said Ahmed Chalabi, a secular Shiite who is chairman of Iraq's Supreme National Commission for De-Baathification. "They are certainly not going to be produced in any timetable that is acceptable within the context of the current political climate in the United States."
Other benchmarks such as provincial elections, a political agreement on dismantling militias and a program for reconciliation announced last July also have not moved forward, Iraqi officials said.
. . . Even if compromises are reached on the three benchmarks, it is unlikely the final legislation will resemble anything close to the Bush administration's blueprint. Maliki's aides are already stressing that they cannot control how the divided 275-member parliament will react to the proposals.
"When the Americans give orders, people will be more against it," [Kurdish pol Mahmoud] Othman said. "That's what the Americans don't understand."
Allow me to explain what's going on here. Although the Iraqi government is happy to send out a spokesman to pay lip service to Dubya's desired spin, lip service is all the Bushites are going to get from them — the Shiite-dominated government doesn't want to share power, or give the U.S. an inside track to its oil, etc. So, much like Moqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army during the current would-be crackdown, the government is lying low and hoping to wait us out. That's the point of the Chalabi quote dismissing the possibility that any of the laws will meet Dubya's desired timetable.
But until we figure out the scam, they're happy to have our troops die protecting them from the Sunni insurgents.



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Swopa!
Did you get your jacket back from EW? I heard she loved wearing that leather…
zed, baby!
THE TROOPS
swopa!
Day late, dollar short!
Is that “Patriotic Union of Kurdistan” (?) graffitti in English on the walls?
Neil Young!
Jacqrat @
1
Yes, I did. And judging from all the poodle hair, it wasn’t EW who was wearing it…
brendan @
6
I assume so… I’m glad someone else caught it!
TROOPS
HOME
NOW
Dover Bitch @ 7
“I think I’d like to go
back home
And take it easy
There’s a woman that
I’d like to get to know
Living there
Everybody seems to wonder
What it’s like down here
I gotta get away
from this day-to-day
running around,
Everybody knows
this is nowhere.
Everybody, everybody knows
Everybody knows.
Every time I think about
back home
It’s cool and breezy
I wish that I could be there
right now
Just passing time.
Everybody seems to wonder
What it’s like down here
I gotta get away
from this day-to-day
running around,
Everybody knows
this is nowhere.
Everybody, everybody knows
Everybody knows.”
brendan @ 5
edit: Oh, nevermind. It didn’t come out the way I wanted it to.
Swopa and Dover Bitch have me digging through CD’s…)
Incidentally, just for Jane, here’s a passage from the AP story on the Senate vote:
The byline is Anne Flaherty, if you want to express your gratitude. ;)
The Iraqi message couldn’t be clearer. This administration is too stupid to live.
I feel kind of sorry for Patraeus. He, at least, knows that America isn’t going to wait around for them to “win” the war.
How can anybody believe anything Bush says anymore? Standing up for Gonzalez is killing any credibility he had left. He doesn’t even seem to be trying anymore.
By the way, did anyone see this…
http://www.topplebush.com/posters.shtml
Dover Bitch @
7
Crazy Horse!
Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, said Thursday that conditions in Iraq may get harder before they get easier and will require “an enormous commitment” over time by the United States.
Here’s one for Bush:
Don’t let it bring you down (to 28%)
It’s only castles burning (thanks to you)
Just find someone who’s turning (sign the goddamn bill)
And you will come around (back to 32%, but you’ll sleep better)
Swopa @
14
I think we might have to do that.
And let us not forget
R.I.P
Danny Whitten
David Briggs
I would compare Jane Hamsher to Helen Thomas. They both have the same kick ass souls with a commitment to truth and justice!
They both ask challenging questions and are committed to bringing the public the facts so that we can make decisions and prod our reps towards the light. Both committed to the publics “right to know”
Thank you Helen Thomas! Thank you Jane!
Helen would be a great guest at FDL. She is one of my heroes!
Wow, great to see some fellow rusties here.
Keep on RITFW!
Don’t forget to leave David Broder a message at the Washington Post. One inside the beltway pundit/hack at a time. Their time has come and gone.
Today Diane Rehm hosted a very informative show about the Iraqi blood for oil situation!
Worth the listen
http://wamu.org/programs/dr/
Richard Clarke and Flynt Leverett at the New America Foundation
http://www.newamerica.net/pres…..ew_america have been speaking truth to power for quite awhile
thanks for the link, Kathleen! You are so right about Leverett & Clark.
we need to listen for those who will speak truth to power.
Procuratio frutex delenda est
Tail Wags Dog.
McGovern on Cheney. McGovern was on Talk of the Nation for a few minutes Wednesday. Hey Jane and Christy McGovern would be a great guest of FDL
http://www.newamerica.net/pres…..ew_america
Aaaargh. Mitch McConnell on radio (NPR ATC, of course. will there be a Democrat interviewed after him?)
Started off saying about the funding bill – date is “same as surrender,”, no bill with a date is gonna be signed by the Pres, and yes, the pres supports Gonzales fully and so do I.
Screaming (quietly-don’t wanna scare tha animals).
Oklahoma kiddo @ 18
Six more months!
F.U. Petraeus!
Swopa @
14
YAy Anne, but the byline on the link is someone else…David Espo.
Omega… This is the end…
Bush had his Alpha
I guess it’s the people on the fringe of the Administration, like Patraeus, who are getting stuck between what they’re told to do and the real world. These are the people who are going to have to jump ship because the captain is a madman. They are the ones who will turn on the administration and help bring them down.
Essentially I agree. There are two narratives about Iraq that have almost nothing to do with each other.
Bush and Petraeus talk about declining sectarian violence except for spectacular car bombs and claim that the surge is beginning to work.
Iraqis look at the same events and say the Shia death squads have toned down their efforts allowing the Americans to beat up on the Sunnis. The Sunnis retaliate by hitting Shia neighborhoods with car bombs.
Bush and Cheney talk about political reconciliation but can only point to the glacial progress of the Petroleum law which promises sweetheart deals with Big Oil.
Iraqis look at the Petroleum law and see it a) as a law that was written by Americans in English and had to be translated into Arabic and b) as a means for those that have oil (the Shia and Kurds) to keep control of it. Reconciliation generally is seen as a disingenuous American ploy to weaken the Shia and is resisted accordingly.
You can go through pretty much anything that happens in Iraq and see these two separate narratives supposedly describing the same reality. See the problem?
kathleen @ 29
Linky no worky.
A’57 @ 27
“The (whole?) Bush administration must be destroyed?”
Boy that phrase of Cicero’s (it was Cicero, wasn’t it?) sure has proved adaptable over the milennia, hasn’t it? [g]
Phule @ 31
Is that “Freidman Unit” or something else?
Georgesimian @ 34
It’s tough to be a loyal soldier (a truly honorable profession) when your Commander in Chief is bug-fuck crazy.
kathleen @ 26
Link not found. Is it a specific article?
Georgesimian @ 34
To paraphrase Carl Saga, it ought to be happening every fifteen minutes.
MayDaze @ 38
Phule @ 31
Oklahoma kiddo @ 18
Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, said Thursday that conditions in Iraq may get harder before they get easier and will require “an enormous commitment” over time by the United States.
Six more months!
F.U. Petraeus!
Is that “Freidman Unit” or something else?
Isn’t it about how long the bill that Bush plans to veto allows for?
Hugh @ 35
I’m glad you noticed this too. It’s called talking out both sides of one’s mouth.
While we’re on the Neil rag, how about this from his greatest underappreciated album:
I’m a vampire, babe,
suckin’ blood
from the earth
I’m a vampire, baby,
suckin’ blood
from the earth.
Well, I’m a vampire, babe,
sell you
twenty barrels worth.
and
All the bushleague batters
Are left to die
on the diamond.
In the stands
the home crowd scatters
For the turnstiles,
For the turnstiles,
For the turnstiles
and
I never knew a man
could tell so many lies
He had a different story
for every set of eyes.
How can he remember
who he’s talkin’ to?
‘Cause I know it ain’t me,
and I hope it isn’t you.
tejanarusa @ 30
Iraq Forever, Fitches!
Because if we ever leave, the terrorists win.
A’57 @ 27
I love Latin… beautifully said
All Gaul is divided in three parts?
Mommybrain @
32
Isn’t that the guy that Murdoch rolled? You know, the guy who got his story rewritten in the NYPiss? Er, Post.
A’57 @ 27
Procuratio fruticis delenda est.
mc @ 39
Fixed!
MayDaze @ 38
It is exactly what you think it is.
Omnia Iraq est divisa in tres partes:
Kurds, Sunni and Shia
Pulling out of Iraq is a good start. An essential and critical beginning. But that will by no means assure peace. The U.S. government, no matter who wins in 2008, must have a top to bottom radical change in Middle East policy. Even then it’s going to take a mighty long time just to start to set things right.
tejanarusa @ 37
Not Cicero, Cato.
Hugh @ 48
The First Blog done in Latin.
tejanarusa @ 37
Marcius Porcius Cato (the Elder): Ceterum censeo, Carthago delenda est.
Never trust a Naked General?
A’57 @
15
Now say that, hands flapping, running back to your office while whining for Daddy…Chimpy doesn’t have Malaria, he’s channeling Rebecca Howe.
mc @ 39
“Lordy, lordy, won’t you listen to me?
The Captain cries, “Stand!” but it ain’t gonna be–
‘Cause we’re buggin’ out! Yes, we’re moving on…”
OT – Huckabee’s son arrested with handgun
Morris @ 44:
Neil’s On The Beach rocks! And the “bushleague batters” line has taken on new resonance in the past decade, hasn’t it? That reminds me, I need to get the Massey Hall CD… cheers!
A former president of the United States remains silent about his son and his son’s minions working to bring down our democracy.
tejanarusa @
30
That would be the Senior Senator from Big Bidness.
MayDaze @ 38
Friedman Unit (F.U.)
Latin, gay hookers, and Neil Young. What kind of blog is this anyway?
So interesting to see who in the MSM has touched, reported, whispered anything about the upcoming A*P*C Rosen espionage trial. Could not find anything that Micheal Iskikoff (who had his nose up the Clintons butts about the b.j.) or David Corn have written focused on this trial. We know Lou Dobbs, Keith Olbermann, Joe Scarborough have not touched the story. Chris Matthews (once whispered about a change in the trial for the I believe the fifth time) I don’t believe that Diane Rehms has touched the story.
Googled Seymour Hersch and the A trial, nothing came up. Does anyone know whether Seymour Hersch (another one of my journalist heroes, has written anything about the A*P*C espionage trial?) I would hate to think about him being a chicken shit when it comes to this investigation and trial
Will be oh so interesting as this trial approaches June 5 who in the mainstream will touch it. So far not much.
Sounds like today we retrieved Mark Pryor of Arkansas then, who voted against the supplemental bill the first time around.
I highly commend the floor speech Senator Tom Carper of Delaware gave about an hour ago regarding this bill. He quoted from the Constitution and clearly defended the role of the Legislative Branch in setting a new course for our involvement in Iraq, in line with the intentions of our Founders when they wrote the Constitution and established our government. From what little I know about Carper, this may have been the best speech (as to content) he’s ever given as a United States Senator. Bravo, Senator Carper – that’s what upholding your oath of office looks and sounds like. Thank you.
Likewise to Chuck Hagel and Gordon Smith who voted to pass this bill today: they both continued to stand up for their country, in the face of, and despite, undoubtedly heavy and spurious pressure from their political party to do otherwise. Thank you as well, from a grateful American citizen.
frutex -ticis m. [a shrub , bush]; as a term of reproach, [blockhead].
Today’s Raleigh News and Observer carried a column asking people around North Carolina what they think of a timetable for ending the war. An eighth-grader named Gary Anderson said the following: “I don’t think it’s never going to stop unless someone finds the courage to back down.”
http://www.newsobserver.com/701/story/567687.html
Brilliant. Exactly right.
I’d like to know why this 8th-grader is wiser than our ruling politicians. It takes courage, not cowardice, to back away from a losing and pointless battle.
mc and Georgesimian, I cannot see Petraeus helping bring down his commander-in-chief, no matter who he(she?) is. He’s a career officer and a good soldier and he’ll do his duty according to the book. And we do have whistle-lowers already who can’t talk or arenn’t being listened to — time to start letting these folks tell their stories.
Sally @ 61
There’s not time to talk now. There’s too much plunder to count.
Sally @
61
It’s Shakespeare time.
Has anyone noticed LIVING WITH WAR? http://www.neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/index.html
Bluetoe @ 24
Don’t forget to say Hi! to Akers, as well!
Bay State Librul @ 51
Mesopotamia est omnis divisa in partis tres; quarum unam incolunt Kurdi, aliam Sunni, tertiam qui ipsorum lingua Shiae, nostra Shi’ites appellantur.
If we are to prevent a world war, radical action is required.
“I never knew a man
could tell so many lies
He had a different story
for every set of eyes
How can he remember
who he’s talking to?
Cause I know it ain’t me,
and hope it isn’t you.”
NY, Ambulance Blues
Mommybrain @ 32
Whoa — I just reloaded the page, and it changed. It was listed as Anne Flaherty when I posted, but now it’s David Espo.
Hoc est verum et nihili nisi verum – This is the truth and nothing but the truth
Bush must be impeached.
mc @ 64
Welcome to
Balloon Juic-Firedoglake.Dan Whitworth @ 60
Always one of my favorites, for personal reasons, as well. Did you know it was partly written at a house Neil owned near Zuma beach at the very end of Sea Level Drive that once belonged to F. Scott Fitzgerald, and which burnt in the Malibu fire? What an amazing place that was full of history and ghosts. Then there’s “Motion Pictures”, as well, which still brings a tear to my eye as I was very fond of Carrie, who, difficult as she was beautiful, was a truly tragic figure in her way.
BREAKING:
McCain calls for immediate troop withdrawal:
http://americablog.blogspot.co…..mands.html
*wink
OT from Wonkette:
“The Sleuth: Hillary guest-blogged on Firedoglake. Hey, Hill, we could use some time off, wanna sit in for a day or two?”
Hugh @ 74
Well said
HotFlash @ 69
It doesn’t have to be him. I was just using him as an example. It’s all the people who have to turn the Bush/Cheney fantasy into reality. They’re going to get fed up.
Hugh @ 48
I’d like to say I knew that was wrong, but…I didn’t. Very nice catch, Hugh.
(one of the things I love about this blog and its commenters)
only slightly off-topic, here. . .
there is word, this evening, that the
white house spokes-peoples’ lack
of “truthiness” on the above, and
many many other scores, has prompted
our favorite, and famously-productive
oversight-maven, one rep. henry waxman,
to launch a NEW salvo of nasty-grams to
the heads of various federal agencies!
yes! the above link contains a plain-text
version of the letter sent to commerce
secretary carlos gutierrez:
“. . .To assist with the Committee’s continuing
investigation of this issue, I request that you provide
information about any briefing mentioning elections
or candidates provided to agency employees by
officials in the White House between January 20,
2001, and April 26, 2007. Please provide the dates,
times, attendees, and locations of these briefings,
as well as any communications and documents
relating to the briefings. Please provide these
materials to the Committee by May 18, 2007. . .”
a busy, busy bee, this waxman fella be. . .
he he!
and “buckle up, buttercup rove. . . it is
all closin’ in on ya’, now. . .”
Here is the link for Flynt Leverett at the New America Foundation
http://www.newamerica.net/publ….._iran_4550
Link for the article about McGovern on Cheney
http://www.latimes.com/news/op…..4076.story
mc @ 64
Young latin gay hookers kneel?
Flaherty here:
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Poli…..id=3081225
Hugh @ 74
Woo hoo! (of course, it helps that you lifted that straight out of Ceasar, IIRC, no?)
Sally @ 82
Nyah nyah, Jane rules.
mc @ 64
You got a problem with Latin?
I hope this thing tonight isn’t a small debate with a lot of people. Pre-debate coverage on at five CDT. MSNBC.
Hugh @ 74
Io! Io! [applause and whistling implied]
Nolo, Waxman is simply divine! My hero…..!
tejanarusa @ 90
You’ve still got to understand it to steal it.
From the AP Romney interview:
Romney don’t want Osama
Such a Defeatist!
mc @ 64
A *really* good one.
A’57 @ 67
LOL! I thought you were extrapolating that last definition – until I looked it up, and it’s right there in my Latin-English dictionary! wonder if the oracle of Delphi predicted this disaster 2 milennia ago?
Don’t forget — Petraeus was the only general Bush could find who would back the surge.
And now he’s saying “war without end.”
Pelosi and Reid should send the same damn bill back after the veto, and the second veto, and the third, until W’s head explodes.
AZ Matt @ 97
I’m holding my breath for the same outrage on the right as greeted Howard Dean
when he said that capturing Sadaam had not made the US safer.
From TP Muckraker:
Muckraker
OK — How many firepups delivered the Latin oration at their Harvard commencement??
nolo @ 86, I notice Waxman refers to those briefed as “agency employees” while the Republics refer to them as “political appointees.”
Georgesimian # 16: Thanks for that shopping link! I just order several anti-Bush items.
We need to ask the General under what conditions, if any would a serving U.S General ever criticize their Comander in Chief by telling him we had lost a war. Has this ever happened? Can we count on our Generals to give the President good advice can we count on them to tell the American People or do they only reserve that advice for private audiences with Bush? When the General gives Congress the “trust me ” answer. Then we bring up all the times all the other Generals before him have reassured Congress that the war was going well and that we needed more time. Then we ask him why should we trust you.
Don’t I remember a transfer of sovereignty at some point? Didn’t they tell us that the Iraqis are in charge? Time to end the occupation.
swoosh @
103
I got stoned and missed it.
*g*
kathleen @ 87
Then there’s Cheney’s favorite Latin quote:
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam.
To which, on may reply:
Antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus ventosissimis exponebantur ad necem.
swoosh @ 103
No Latin. No Harvard. No speech. Sorry.
I guess I’ve gotta learn me some Latin. I thought “procuratio frutex delenda est” was spanish for “it’s great to get fresh fruit from the local street market.”
Waxman is Kicking Butt again!!!!
Waxman Link
Kathleen at 65
Try putting these terms into the google:
hersh new yorker clawson
You’ll get lots of ‘in the ballpark’ hits, but may need to do a little sifting to get the info for which you are looking.
mc # 39: Re your last two lines: that would make a wonderful t-shirt caption!
Hugh at 96 (re Caesar quote)
True; touche, magister.
As to the Israel and Palestine: Freedom is a two way street. I’m thinking UN Security Council Resolution 242 here.
EU official: Aid to Palestinians will bypass unity government
By Reuters
European Union aid will bypass the Palestinian unity government until it recognizes Israel, renounces violence and abides by interim peace deals, the EU’s aid commissioner said on Thursday.
swoosh @ 103
No Harvard, no speech, just a Dad who liked to recite Latin at bedtime to his kids.
Sally @ 104
It makes NO difference. Once they are appointed they are not supposed to use their office, position, office equipment, facilities or their subordinate employees for political purposes.
NO Federal employee is permitted to do so, this IS an offense for which one can be fired.
This is made clear to each and every Federal employee, and we get a refresher course every year, with added emphasis on the Hatch Act during an election year.
The actions of these twerps infuriates me.
Swopa @
77
—————————
(Mommybrain:) YAy Anne, but the byline on the link is someone else…David Espo.
—————————
(Swopa:) Whoa — I just reloaded the page, and it changed. It was listed as Anne Flaherty when I posted, but now it’s David Espo.
—————————
And guess what… in the Espo-ized version of the story, the language is different:
All the more reason to commend Flaherty, IMO.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 18
But Petraeus is going right along with the lying. He and Bush are both asserting that “Progress has been made in reducing Sectarian violence”
But that’s an utter lie! Acoording to the front page of the Sacramento Bee (bravo McClatchy) this morning in banner headlines those numbers have been intentionally fudged by NOT COUNTING THE SUICIDE AND OTHER BOMBINGS AS SECTARIAN VIOLENCE!!!!
How can they justify this? It’s utterly clear that different religious sects are being specifically targeted!
In fact, wasn’t it Bush himself that asserted that the bombing of the Golden Mosque was an effort to foment sectarian conflict???
So in their obscene, desperate efforts to make the “surge” appear like it is “making progress” they have doctored the body counts.
Of course, when you have no more credibility left…why not go ahead and tell the largest lies possible so that the brain-dead followers will use them in their propoganda letters to the slavering media outlets (who will just print them up without any regard to factuality).
Somewhere in the midst of conversation on this article, or future articles, some ideas might be:
1. Exactly HOW incompetent are the Iraqis? Use 11/03 as a marker for training of soldiers. We’ve been training them for…3 1/2 years now? And the best they can show for it is manning checkpoints? Hell, I could train a dozen high school kids on manning checkpoints in FIFTEEN DAYS.
2. And they only do a MIMIMUM level of competence at manning checkpoints. Suicide bombers make it thru their lines all the time. Iranian weaponry flows thru their border checkpoints.
3. Currently, it’s very politically INCORRECT to castigate the “Iraqi soldier”. But there comes a time when you simply need to get up off your ass and “do it”. I’m not seeing that with the vaunted “Iraqi Security Forces”.
4. Why are they so incompetent? I don’t know. But their LACK of results speak for themselves. And I’m tired of excusing them.
5. Is it a middle-eastern mind problem? Hell no. Contrast with the Northern Alliance. Remember them? We trained them up into a fairly decent little fighting unit in several months time. But the Iraqis….I just don’t know.
Ghostman
I wonder what kind of questions will be asked at the debate tonite?
Bustednuckles @ 108
I got stoned,
And it rolled right by me!
I got stoned and I missed it
I got stoned and I missed it
I got stoned and it rolled right by!”
things come undone @ 106
I think the problem is that if you tell the emperor that we lost, you immediately have to fall on your sword.
Part of Waxman’s letter:
We need to ask the General why are we in Iraq if Ossama is in Pakistan. The General will say something about Al Queida being in Iraq, to which we reply but if we left Iraq wouldn’t Al Queida follow us there? George seems to think that if we leave Iraq Al Queida will follow us back to America. So why don’t we go to Pakistan watch Al Queida follow us there and leave the Iraq’s alone to sort out their mess.
Ghostman @ 122
Obviously, it suits their purposes to be “incompetent.” Therefore, it is not incompetence, but actually competence at something else, which we do not as yet understand.
Here’s how we were taught to decline the irregular verb ‘to be’ -
sum, es, est
summus, estes, sunt
break through the line
and block that punt!
Morris, perhaps they do not have the same objectives as the US?
Things come undone@123
Your logic is impeccable!
Radix malorum est stupidus
john in sacramento @
132
OT but did everyone hear that BlueAmerica’s own Charlie Brown won the Democracy for America (DFA) Grassroots All-Star competition?
Charlie Rules!
What a difference an election makes. Go Waxman! BTW, KO is on right now!!
HotFlash @ 130
Who wudda thunk? Probably they have objectives which are diametrical to ours and which they would rather not delineate openly. Who can blame them?
Nate, that’s never off-topic. Great news! And it was a close race, too. Lotsa good talent coming up.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 117
just reverse the names to see how stupid that sounds…
the USA aid will bypass the israeli elected government until it recognizes the palestinian right to a state, renounces violence and abides by interm peace deals.
Nate @ 133
Kewl!
Off topic
Funeral tomorrow for one of the Virginia Tech kids at my church. They are closing several streets in anticipation of a thousand people coming.
Why, the question on everyone’s mind. The hideous loss. Survivor’s guilt. Shock and horror for the family.
Why are innocent lives lost, a question I ask myself daily both in this country and in Russia. I imagine people in Iraq ask the same question.
We pray for the family.
Morris@128
“Obviously, it suits their purposes to be “incompetent.” Therefore, it is not incompetence, but actually competence at something else, which we do not as yet understand.”
Bingo!
Nate, I’m glad to hear that Charlie Brown won.
Now let’s help him win in ‘08.
Or better yet the upcoming special election.
Doesn’t someone have to set up a blog…
from the desk of Henry Waxman?
New thread from Phoenix Woman.
Not A Bug But A Feature
Phule @ 50
It is exactly what you think it is.
I was hoping as much!
“Friday on the Today show, Russert & Dan Bartlett will respong to the debate”, just fashed across the teevee screen.
john in sacramento @ 132
Vinculum delicatum!
And Morris – re your dad’s bedtime recitations – how cool! Was he of a generation who actually learned to speak Latin? One of my Latin teachers did; he used to drop by the local rectory to chat (in Latin of course) with the priest. But we weren’t taught to speak it.
Morris Sheppard @ 135
I realize, Morris, that we ‘understand’ another culture at our peril. They are not ‘just like us’. But, if the US came invading here to Toronto, I’d do anything I could to get them the fuck out. Anything.
When Bush talks about our Strategic Interests in the region and how we can’t give up. We have to ask Bush just how interested is he in Iraq, is the President willing to pay for even half the current cost of the war right now before he leaves office. After Bush gives a rambling non answer we reply if you can’t defend your own policies then its no wonder we are losing.
Ghostman @ 122
Good question…perhaps they ARE COMPETENT…at concealing that they are actually working WITH either the Sunni or Shiite militias. Let’s say you are a Sunni militia that wants to get a truck bomb inside a Shiite area. All one would have to do is avoid those checkpoints into that area manned by Shiites (easily known since your infiltrators have passed on that information beforehand). Even in mixed outfits a cell-phone call could simply say who was being assigned to check the beds of trucks that day and give an “alls clear”.
Similarly, death squads can easily pass through the other way when a Shiite-manned checkpoint exists.
The assumption is that these guys have any loyalty to the Iraqi Government or to US goals.
selise @ 137
Ah, yes. US aid to Israel. I figure we have to send them money so they can use it to bribe our, excuse me, make large campaign contributions to US politicians via a PAC.
I didn’t realize this was “Talk Like an Ancient Roman Senator” Day.
Ave, Hugh!
tejanarusa @ 146
My dad, was of a generation that considered knowing Latin the mark of an educated person. He was born in the Baltics, spoke Russian, German, Yiddish and Lithuanian as a child, came to America, learned English, French, Latin, Greek, and Italian and was orphaned at the age of 12 and put himself through college tutoring foreign languages.
cinnamonape and ghostman, if your scenario is true, and why not, apparently US skinheads are enlisting for the training, won’t walled ghettos be useful to them.
HotFlash @
147
I wish Bush would invade Canada, his enemies always seem to do better and grow more powerful, whereas his friends end up like Blair. *g*
- Also in Toronto.
Morris Sheppard @ 110
Shorter answer:
Fac morderis me, puer pinguis.
Motto of the Shrubbies
Canis meus id comedit
CTuttle @ 95
mine too — to be clear here, my
clownin’ around about his name,
and these very substantial, very
serious matters, is intended to
covey the glee — yes, glee! — i
feel, now that we, “the people“, are
FINALLY getting some traction, or
at least a few small wooden-stakes
into this vampire-cum-administration’s
corrupted ways-and-means. . .
Brisingamen @ 119
word. to. ya’. muthah. on. that.
Charley Rose’s “interview” with Bush last night was about as softball as possible. Charley is in a class now with Barbara Walters and Katie Couric for asking the “tough questions”.
Maybe he should have watched the Bill Moyers program earlier in the evening and realize that he’s now just one of those that don’t challenge the premises for the Iraq War.
Bush said this:
“The good news is that sectarian death is down in Baghdad, the bad news is that spectacular car bombs still go off, in a way that tends to shake the confidence of the Iraqi people that their government can protect them.”
And Rose didn’t even bother to point out that those bombs don’t just make a big “boom”…they are killing hundreds of people each week.
AND THEY ARE SECTARIAN KILLINGS!
Here was an ideal chance to challenge Bush on a fundamental LIE…done right on his show…and Rose didn’t even say.
“Aren’t those bombings killing hundreds per week? Aren’t they sectarian attacks? Are you including those victims in your numbers when you say “sectarian violence is down”?
Sally @ 104
spinnin’ it, all the time — 24 by 7.
I wonder how come 3 weeks is enough to train an American soldier and three years isn’t enough for an Iraqi soldier? Oh right, the oil.
AZ Matt @ 97
Billions like Bush Sr spent getting Noriega? What was that about? Romney also said that people change their minds, so you shouldn’t worry about the Repugs flip-flopping.
Just watching Moyers special. While I agree with what someone said earlier..nothing new! Although I had not been clear that Donahue had been hitting so hard and that is clearly why he was dropped. Many of us were in shock watching the Bush propaganda machine grab the MSM by the balls and shut them up.
To hear Hillary, Oprah, Kerry and so many more repeat the rhetoric is disturbing.
FDL see if she will come back on and answer for her war resolution vote!
Peterr @ 151
Maybe we could have a “Talk Like An Ancient Roman Pirate Day”!
HotFlash @ 153
Well if you think that the goal of these skinheads is to get blown up at crowded gates, then yep…that’d be quite useful.
But I really don’t think these walls are going to work in the slightest. If we can’t keep infiltrators out of the Iraqi military, then how are we going to prevent individuals from moving between areas. And explosives can be found WITHIN those areas, and can be shuttled across by tunnels the size of a small sewage pipe. I can’t see hoe the US will block off all the labyrinths of water and sewage plumbing, electrical conduits, and myriad other ways of getting small packages across.
This is Baghdad! Not some airport terminal.
Knight Ridder Strombel and Landay are the media heroes, but few were listening!
Throw out your New York Times start reading Knight Ridder!
O.T. but interesting insight by two upcoming young captains of cyberspace. They have set up two sites with the express purpose of tracing political donations that match to legislation purposed and passsed or pending. This allows constituents to see who is doing what for whom. These sites are: Opensecrets.org and Maplight.org . Both are non partisan. I applaud them their efforts. Snarkassandra might be impressed with the two young PUPS.
swoosh @ 100
The Dems should use this talking point “war without end” over and over and over again with the entrenched true believers. The Prez is addicted to war, troops, and money and needs to be cut off cold turkey.
“Rep. Senators, are you going to vote for war without end, again?”
Maybe you should Google “Anbar Salvation Council”.
That should update your static evaluation of Iraqis.
TJ’s Anti-Contrarian Blog @
169
Hi TJ’s blog,
I’ve never conversed with a blog before ;-) Are you like HAL 9000?
How ’bout you just come out and spill the beans on what you mean?
brisingamen & nolo, the designation “political appointees” will be the reason the republics say they did not violate the Hatch Act.
HotFlash @
150
And buy into our corporate media.
Set up
A*P*CShadow Government.Punish politicians.
Love the PUK graffiti on the walls.
Turkey is quietly partially mobilizing in the east to quell any insurrection or invasion if Kurdistan should be granted true autonomy.
This has been another chapter of Easily Forseeable Unforeseen Consequences.