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Anyone who had the good fortune to catch Keith Olbermann's special comment last night lambasting Rudy Giuliani now has a pretty good idea why New Yorkers harbor a great dislike and distrust of the man. The segment also provided a birds-eye view of the major theme of the Giuliani candidacy: "9/11/24/7/365." Giuliani is a one-day candidate, waging a campaign of fear built on the rubble of the World Trade Center. He really has nothing else.
Two nights ago, during a campaign stop in New Hampshire, Giuliani tried to pummel a group of college students into quailing submission:
In his speech . . . , Mr. Giuliani called the fight against terrorism “the defining conflict of our time.” If a Democrat were elected president, he said, they would “wave the white flag” in Iraq, cut back on surveillance of terrorists, restrict the ability of law enforcement officials to gather intelligence and limit interrogation techniques, curtailing their effectiveness.
“Make no mistake about it, the Democrats want to put us back on defense,” he said.
In the end, he added, the United States would prevail regardless of who was in office, but if it was a Democrat, there would probably be greater loss of life before that victory was achieved.
In other words, Democrats would RESTORE OUR CIVIL RIGHTS, even if it means raining down death and destruction upon us all! Now that's terrifying! And so very typically Rudy. I'm a little surprised he didn't drag out Bernie Kerik as added incentive to behave ourselves. Or else.
Despite a loud, coordinated, angry Democratic response, Giuliani the Bully refused to back away from his completely unfounded allegations that a Democratic-controlled White House would invariably lead to the senseless deaths of countless innocent Americans.
''They do not seem to get the fact that there are people, terrorists in this world, really dangerous people that want to come here and kill us,'' Giuliani said on ''The Sean Hannity Show,'' according to a transcript distributed by his campaign. ''They want to take us back to not being as alert which to me will just extend this war much, much longer.''
This uttered by a man who had eight years to prepare for a terrorist attack, and who, as Wayne Barrett of the Village Voice pointed out last night on Countdown, never ONCE ran a skyscraper emergency drill, let alone ensured that firefighters had the proper emergency equipment. The man put the Emergency Command Center in the World Trade Center AFTER the first time it had been hit. Now that's planning ahead. BOO!
I understand that we are still over nine months out from Super Tuesday, but I was a Girl Scout (okay, only for 6 months) and I'm all about being prepared. I'd just as soon see this campaign cut down at the knees before it gains any more momentum, because Giuliani as President would be like Bush on methamphetamines. Just this morning, the latest Quinnipiac College poll showed up in my mailbox:
GIULIANI NOW LEADS CLINTON IN ALL THREE SWING STATES.
FLORIDA: Giuliani Up 49 – 41; Clinton, McCain Tied at 45;
OHIO: Giuliani Over Clinton 46 – 41; McCain at 44 to Clinton's 42.
PENNSYLVANIA: Giuliani Tops Clinton 47 – 43; McCain Up 45 – 43
I understand that polls are taken to be ignored, but you tell that to the mainstream media (yes, I'm looking at you, Tweety), who salivate at the very juicy, profitable storyline Rudy presents. If he can make it past the primaries without performing his patented spontaneous combustion (which, in itself, is always great fun to watch, like that NASCAR dude who crossed the finish line on his roof), he will be a threat.
Again, the New York Times:
Here in New Hampshire, Mr. Giuliani’s statements about the Democrats were greeted enthusiastically, suggesting how his approach may resonate among Republican primary voters skeptical of withdrawal timetables for Iraq and wary of criticism of the administration.
There is a mental disconnect in this country where a "smooth operator" like Newt Gingrich can serve divorce papers on his wife while she's lying on her hospital bed and still get reelected. (In fact, Gingrich is so confident of his abilities that he's waiting until the end of September before jumping into the race.) The faux morality of "for me, but not for thee" runs rampant in the Republican party. I think they would willingly embrace the authoritarian machismo of either Gingrich or Giuliani. Besides, they're always searching for the father figure who would keep them safe from the bogeyman at night.
So when I warn "Beware the bromides of Rudy," and people laugh and say, "oh, nobody will vote for Rudy because he's worn a dress and has three wives and we shouldn't pay any attention to him". . . well, I'm just going to point at Newt Gingrich and say, "Yes, and?" We can only hope that Giuliani winds up like the drummers in "This is Spinal Tap" -- little green globules on the stools.
[P.S. I watched about 45 seconds of the "debate" - NOW will NBC fire Brian Williams?]
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zed!
woo-hoo!
first zed since the Libby trial…
(what a relief..thought the Zed master had abandoned me before I’d learned not to care….)
parallel play….
congrats kirk!
and hi watertiger!
He’s not my freakin’ mayor.
America has no mayor.
America needs no mayor.
OMG! That is now my favorite Rudy photo EVER!
sorry kirk teeheeeheeee
Does this mean I can start calling him Ghouliani?
TRex @ 8
Can we start calling him Mayor Mussolini?
IMO, the ‘defining conflict of our time’ is the rational world vs. the reigning kleptocracy and their useful tools, decades in creation.
Time for Rudy to take his place in the Great Whack-A-NeoCon-Mole game, now in progress.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 6
Great one huh? Almost looks like he’s saying “Whaddaya want fuh nuthin’?”
Thanks Loudonlib!
and lolo - congrats on your run of good zed fortune
(sticks more pins into wax keyboard)Hello, I’m normally a lurker, but just wanted to give you a heads-up that your link to the Keith Olbermann special comment is broken.
Rudy’s just trying to save money on his speechwriters. He got a bargain on Cheney’s speeches from last year. Either that or Cheney has taken over his brain.
Anybody
But
Hillary!!!
LoudounLib @ 11
Exactly
America’s Mayor wants to pick your brains…for lunch!
welcome ceeinbc!
are you Canadian?
Yeah the extreme right is going to eat that kind of shit up.
Ah, thanks! Will fix link.
Let’s call him Cheniali. Or Dick Guiliani.
America hasn’t had it’s dose of fear. Rudy’s just telling the people what they want to hear. Who’s going to pay for four more years of this “war on terror”?
Georgesimian @ 21
Dick Guiliani, definitely!
Guiliani says that America has so much Freedom, we can afford to lose some! We have Freedom to burn!
The link is fixed…I hope.
The tone deafness amazes me. How many people still think Saddam was involved with 9/11?
Christy, glad you like the shot. It was just yelling to be used. ;-)
So when I warn “Beware the bromides of Rudy,” and people laugh and say, “oh, nobody will vote for Rudy because he’s worn a dress and has three wives and we shouldn’t pay any attention to him”. . . well, I’m just going to point at Newt Gingrich and say, “Yes, and?”
Ah, but, see, Mayor Mussolini would be running against Newton Many-wives. These are two nasty, nasty men, unused to being challenged by men as nasty as themselves. They would go freakin’ ballistic on each other. Newt will run pictures of Mayor Mussolini in a dress 24/7 on the Spartanburg Fox station in the weeks before the South Carolina campaign, if that’s what it takes. Mark my words, Mayor Mussolini will not survive the onslaught of ads showing his face morphing into Hillary’s, while the Announcer Voice of DOOM intones, “Just another pro-choice, pro-gay new Yorker. Guiliani. Wrong for South Carolina. Wrong For America.”
As a New Yorker who has despised Rudy for decades I still say that he is dangerous, and gawd help us if he makes it past the primaries (which I don’t think will happen), but Rudy is ruthless. More musings here.
girl scouts, huh? will they acknowledge that?
Jack Nicholson look-a-like as the Joker.
Wait, cleter @
5
Barack Obama used the title “America’s Mayor” when trying to smack Rudy down over his statement about Dems wanting terrorists to win. Barack Obama needs a crash course in framing if he’s going to stay in the race and win.
Ghouliani looks like Dr. Doom, just paint his face green and give him cape.
BTW, what was with Brian Williams making the candidates raise their hands?
I literally turned the TV on, heard him castigating one of them for not raising his/her hand, promptly turned the TV off.
Rudy only has 9/11 to run on, (as opposed to his ex-wives, which he runs away from) so you can guarantee he will repeat it often.
You’re shittin’ me! Obama called him America’s mayor! What an ass!
punaise @ 27
Let’s just say I . . . elected to leave.
My lawyer advised me not to say any more.
Watertiger
You are so right. Rudy can’t be discounted. I dearly love my severely right winger brother but he shocked me silly by being 100% for Rudy.The only thing that gave him a tiny bit of pause was the fact that Rudy has a strained relationship with his kids. My bro’s a great Dad, so that bit sunk in a little
cleter @
9
Hey! Easy on the ethnic jibes…
I think Kerik’s the key to the downfall of America’s Mayor… as part of the general, ‘if you don’t let us pillage the treasury the terroristiacs will get us’ meme.
watertiger @ 34
that must have been the year of the snark-tainted cookies. just sayin’.
Rudy needs fear of 9/11 to win, either that or to rally the GOP’s base with moral outrage against an out group. If Rudy and the other Republican Presidential candidates can’t get traction with the war look for them to go after gay imigrants who want to marry. Newt is a master of this tactic if this is the only thing the Republicans have to run on assuming the war (McCain’s issue) stays unpopular then Newt will run.
jayt @
15
Amen.
And raise you a Holy Ghost.
Why aren’t the Dems screaming (at the top of their lungs):
Did the Repubs help New Orleans? and they had 5 days of warnings
Have the repubs put into place the equipment needed by first responders?
Have the repubs protected our borders? our ports?
Is our military as strong as it was in 2000?
Is the world less volatile?
Is FEMA as capable as it was in 2000?
I mean, where do they get off pretending they are better at keeping us safe. They are a disaster.
Never underestimate the evil of this man. I lived in NYC for twenty years, and so endured all 8 of Rudy Mussolini’s reign. He was exactly like Shrubbie except for one key detail: He is actually semi-competent. Evil plus competence = the end of the Republic as we knew it. BTW, Keith Olbermann was not exaggerating. Every word in his special comment was 100% accurate.
I relish a primary fight between Newton Many-wives and America’s Most Adulterous Mayor.
No way this guy gets elected..Oh, wait…
dammit !
I think Kerik’s the key to the downfall of America’s Mayor… as part of the general, ‘if you don’t let us pillage the treasury the terroristiacs will get us’ meme.
Kerik is definitely a liability for Giuliani, and the Democrats would be wise to keep making that connection.
What Treasury? Dick Cheney’s absconded with whatever was left.
kirk murphy @ 12
thanks, congrats to you too
naschkatze @ 28
i think more like Peter Boyle in young frankenstein
achhh! he looks like Skeletor! Scary! Maybe he should pick Chertoff as his running mate and scare everyone into voting for them. Or…Ted Olson. Shiver.
Actually, he kinda looks like a Munch figure or perhaps Klaus Kinski as Nosfertu.
I think Fred Thompson’s coming in, and will be the R candidate. The only D’s with a chance against him are Obama and maybe Edwards.
OTH, I liked Richardson’s specificity in his answers tonight - but he’s as unelectable as Kucinich.
(and I still think we gotta sneak Gravel into the Repub debates.)
I’m gonna be the devil’s advocate here because I think Rudy will be fun to run against in the general election, and entirely beatable, especially if our candidate has a Southern accent (which several of our candidates seem to have tonight in SC). If Rudy is so volatile and expressive, why shouldn’t we root for him to win the nomination? Who would be easier to beat? Besides, won’t his candidacy almost guarantee a potent third-party theocracy/forced-birth ticket?
Not trying to be difficult, just trying to understand the logic. I guess my question is: if not Rudy, who?
Ugh, Giuliani, a nasty human being. I say no more.
Think there might be more than a few NY Firefighters who might have soemthing to say about the Mayor. The issue of lung damage is only going to get worse over the years, we are just seeing the tip of that iceberg.
It’d be cool if the Republikan party split and we had two of them running against each other in the general.
Jane Hamsher @ 19
Amen. There was this surreal moment during the Florida recount debacle of 2000 where a bunch of Republican youth-thugs essentially stopped the recount in Miami-Dade by forming a mob inside the electoral offices, surrounding the poll workers and literally yelling at them to “shut it down.” Amazingly, the election officals gave in to this shit and announced they were unable to proceed. Worse, the rioters were not arrested or even really criticized. This really happened. Un-fucking-believable, I thought at the time. Too extreme and insane for anyone to seriously consider as a tactic? Wrong. It really is how that crowd operates — and will continue to operate unless they are called out on it, and receive the shit-kicking they so richly deserve.
TRex, we NYers have been calling him “Ghouliani” for years. Have at it.
(no ethnic slur intended)
Georgesimian @ 21
I want to commend Keith Olbermann for referring on MSNBC tonight to the “so-called war on terror.”
TeddySanFran @
49
Romney! Romney! Romney!
Can you imagine running against that loser?
watertiger @ 54
I was complaining about the Mussolini reference, not against “Ghouliani” which I think is brilliant, and completely deserved.
TeddySanFran @ 49
I’ve heard enough stupid CT republikans talking about Giuliani as if he were the man who revived NYC and should run for president, before 9/11, to be concerned.
That pic looks like he’s showing his wound from up on the cross. Cross dressing is a hard job.
TeddySanFran @
49
I think Edwards would beat the living crap out of Mayor Mussolini. Every time, in every debate, that the moderator refers to him as “Mayor,” he become a little less electable.
And I think you’re right–there would be a right-wing Nader who would siphon off some of the forced-birthers.
TeddySanFran @ 49
You may have a point. I can’t imagine Rudy winning. But what if they rig the election (again). Rudy really is a fascist. He also said, recently, that the pres should be able to arrest people w/o a warrant (or any of that messy due process). But, he promised that he wouldn’t do it often.
Actually it’s unconsitutional for someone who has received land or title from a foreign country to run for office, or be in office.
I got it.. Romney-Schwarzenegger, vs Giuliani/Lieberman ‘08!
The Repugs just aren’t going to win in 2008, whatever Guiliani says, because Bush has just begun to go down. He’s going to take a lot of Republicans with him, and maybe our country too.
Blub @ 57
What’s wrong with referring to him as Rudy Mussolini? They’re both fascists. It’s more alliterative than Mayor Hitler.
Schwarzegger can’t be Veep, since he can’t serve as Prez.
kirk murphy @ 18
Thanks, Kirk, and yes, I’m Canadian, but back to lurking & reading - can’t keep up with comments nowadays!
Rudy/Jeb
vs
Brownback/Musgrave
vs
AnyDem/AnyDem
Nice job Watertiger, Fooliani must be stopped now before the myths are allowed to take hold. Instead of responding the Dems are not weak, they should point out over and over who the Mayor was when the radios didn’t work, the command center was destroyed, and Bernie Kerik was banging Judith Regan while the cleanup workers breathed toxic dust.
Asshole has as much foreign policy experience as my Pomeranian. Keeping the world safe from Squeegee men!
Georgesimian @ 64
Giuliani is such a fascist, it’s good to make xtra sure that he doesn’t win.
cleter @
60
Really guys.. this reference is racist, offensive and unbecoming. Would we think it be acceptable if a German-American candidate become Reichsfuhrer Hitler, a Japanese one, Emperor Hirohito or a Chinese one, Mao? Let’s come up with a better way of insulting this loser, shall we?
Blub @ 63
Guiliani-Lieberman. Good. God. Almighty. The horror! That is the most repugnant ticket imaginable.
Giuliani cultivates the tough guy image hoping that nobody notices that he is a clueless ideologue and bully, you know like Bush.
TeddySanFran @ 66
Before or after shrub suspends the constitution?
doggone it…..I wanted to continue the epu’d thing about Kucinich/kos/abortion rights……but I think Rudy is the worst and most dangerous of the whole godawful bunch of ‘em……so now I’m, like, distracted…..
Twisted Martini @ 69
And keeping the world safe from modern art.
I’ve never cared much for Brian Williams- can’t stand the damned sunglass tan line for one thing- but he didn’t write the questions- he just read them.
oddmommy @ 75
Yes Rudy is an unconstitutional ticket, anyway you look at it.
Could someone post a link to the offending kos stuff.
Ruudee is the favorite right now- but how the hell is he gonna survive when the fundies find out who he really is? Can’t see it somehow- but who knows?
mui @
76
And scattering porn shops to every neighborhood with low rents, instead of centralized in the Times Square area. Can’t have Disneyworld Northeast all sexed up.
Blub @ 71
Dude, are you defending Mussolini? It’s unacceptable to compare fascists to each other? When did that happen?
Sorry…I ain’t buyin’ what they’re pushin’…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT4RGkX309o
Giuliani: Nobody can make you safer then me!
3000 Americans would beg to differ.
Anyone, it may be a moot point if we play this the right way. I think we need to employ a duel strategy of publicly harping on his heavy-handed civil liberties records Kerik/cronies publicly and, privately, encourage discussion of his record of not-being a social conservative, both with respect to his public positions (stem cells, abortion, etc) and his private life (serial adulterer). If the Christian right rethug base stays home, then the rethugs are finished.
Totally, totally, totally and way, way, way off topic, but does Keith’s hair look grayer than usual? Think he’s trying to project the Cronkite vibe?
I’m watching the Tillman/Lynch hearing on C-Span2. Unbelievable. The press is getting it’s ass waxed by waxman & friends. As right they should. The media are in pretty big trouble, I’d say. They are going to go full force Gop next election so that they aren’t brought into hearings too.
cleter @ 81
That PARTICULAR fascist is hardly the most offensive one out there in history and I can only presume is selected here only because of the ethnic correspondence. That’s racism.
Why Rudy Giuliani Can’t Stop Cashing in on 9/11: http://www.alternet.org/story/41443/
That picture makes Ghouliani look like Dracula.
If Guiliani could get elected to a higher office than mayor of New York, he would be in that office right now. Mayor of New York is a dead-end street. Just ask Governor Koch or President Lindsay.
To me, he looked like he was singing in that picture. So, I thought about it for awhile, and came up with the song. “As Long As He Needs Me” from Oliver, don’t you think? Rudy about Dubya, cue music:
He doesn’t act as tho’ he cares,
But deep inside I know he cares,
And this is why, I’m tied
Right by his side.
As long as he needs me
I know where I must be.
I’ll cling on steadfastly,
As long as he needs me.
As long as life is long,
I’ll love him, right or wrong;
And somehow I’ll be strong
As long as he needs me.
If you are lonely
Then you will know
When someone needs you
You love them so.
I won’t betray his trust,
Tho’ people say I must.
I’ve got to stay true, just
As Long As He Needs Me.
Helen @
85
I think it’s because the filters are adjusted so Tweety’s hair won’t look so orange. It seems to happen when they appear together.
I think it’s because the filters are adjusted so Tweety’s hair won’t look so orange. It seems to happen when they appear together.
Now if they could use that filter that makes Tweety’s head look smaller…
Rudy was head of the WTC building pre 9/11 right? Who did he hire for the security detail for the WTC?
watertiger @ 80
And scattering porn shops to every neighborhood with low rents, instead of centralized in the Times Square area. Can’t have Disneyworld Northeast all sexed up.
Acutally, I liked the old Times Square. I try to avoid the new Times Square, it makes me cry. I miss all the transgendered folks.
watertiger @ 93
And wipe the spit from his lips.
Kerik has mob connections, and his mentor and promoter, Rudy didn’t know? Mr. G looks none to clean to me.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 97
Kerik is not a wholesome guy. That’s for sure. And he was a disastor in Iraq if you read “Emerald City.”
Lou Costello @ 88
Great article Lou. A lot of sunlight on Rudy’s vampirism. How’s things? Did you see that Charlie won the DFA Grassroots All-Stars competition?
sooooooooooooper doooooooper
WaterTiger quotes Rudy:
What Rudy obviously cannot comprehend, is that is the way it should be. We, as the USA I grew up in, should NEVER be on the offense in these types of situations. We can impose defensive measure and be pro-active (a little security for the ports would be nice) in setting up the defense, but we should never ever ever be going first in anything but peace.
Blub @ 87
1. Italian is not a “race”
2. Is it racist for people to call Hillary “Hitlery?” Because I see that one a lot.
3. It’s alliterative. If his name was Rudy Smitler, I would jokingly call him Rudy Hitler. If his name was Rudy Rollins, I might refer to him as Rudy Stalin. Would that be too offensive?
4. Why is Ghouliani somehow less offensive?
5. Is it less racist to compare him to Count Chocula?
The Rude One is in trouble now. From teh AP:
ccmask @
94
There are so many things we can nail him on….
- proposing that NYC’s homeless be relocated to concentration camps on the city’s islands
- mass homeless clearance campaigns
- jackboot gentrification in the east village
- combining forces with thugs to undermine the local school boards
- numerous numerous other things
ccmask @ 94
No - it was the Port Authority of NY & NJ which, just a few weeks (months?) earlier sold it to Larry Silverstein. They had just hired John O’Neill (formerly of the FBI; read “The Looming Tower” by Lawrence Wright to get the scoop on John O’neill; he was one of the few who tried desperately to convince the feds of the Al Queda threat; he gave up and started his new job days before the towers fell) to get the scoop.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 97
rudy’s father as well. But we can never forget the names of Amadou Diallo and Abner Luima and all the other victims of “Guiliani Time”
I went to google to play a little and I typed Rudy’s name wrong. Here’s what google gave me:
From Google:
Did you mean: Rudy giuliani sucks
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Rudy giulliani sucks&btnG=Search
Here’s a little bit of history that the GOP and Giuliani don’t want anyone to remember:
-The first World Trade Center attack happened on February 26, 1993
-Giuliani was Mayor of NY from 1994-2001. So I think Rudy had 7 years to come up with a security plan for NY but he never did.
Typical of the GOP to brush their screw ups under the carpet and blame it on someone else.
cleter @ 102
Look.. I don’t want to argue this point anymore.. I find racial and ethnic jokes offensive, and I find attempts to nitpick around what constitutes such offensive humor to be even more offensive. If you can’t see the difference between this and making a Hitler reference about Hillary, then I don’t think this conversation is worth having. This conversation is over.
Is anyone watching MSNBC at the moment? Can anyone tell me what in the hell is wrong with Tucker Carlson’s lips? Cold sore? Weird lip balm? Somebody smacked him in the mouth? Any guesses?
Based upon a recommendation from Rudy to the prez, we almost had a mobster for Secretary of Homeland Security. Can you beat that?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 109
I smacked him Christy; (not that I would ever advocate violence here at FDL)
Giuliani’s comments went beyond fear mongering. They read more like a threat or promise. My question after hearing them was “Should we expect more Anthra# letters if you’re not elected, Rudy?”
Luckily, Olbermann was on duty.
ccmask @ 94
If you’re getting at the Marvin Bush connection…
OT, but Richardson is blowing it in after-interviews.
dakine01 @ 106
Patrick Dorismond.
Why can’t I edit? Anyway; me at 105 - John O’Neill was the security director at the WTC when the towers fell. The irony is overwhelming.
Helen @ 105