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Anyone who had the good fortune to catch Keith Olbermann's special comment last night lambasting Rudy Giuliani now has a pretty good idea why New Yorkers harbor a great dislike and distrust of the man. The segment also provided a birds-eye view of the major theme of the Giuliani candidacy: "9/11/24/7/365." Giuliani is a one-day candidate, waging a campaign of fear built on the rubble of the World Trade Center. He really has nothing else.
Two nights ago, during a campaign stop in New Hampshire, Giuliani tried to pummel a group of college students into quailing submission:
In his speech . . . , Mr. Giuliani called the fight against terrorism “the defining conflict of our time.” If a Democrat were elected president, he said, they would “wave the white flag” in Iraq, cut back on surveillance of terrorists, restrict the ability of law enforcement officials to gather intelligence and limit interrogation techniques, curtailing their effectiveness.
“Make no mistake about it, the Democrats want to put us back on defense,” he said.
In the end, he added, the United States would prevail regardless of who was in office, but if it was a Democrat, there would probably be greater loss of life before that victory was achieved.
In other words, Democrats would RESTORE OUR CIVIL RIGHTS, even if it means raining down death and destruction upon us all! Now that's terrifying! And so very typically Rudy. I'm a little surprised he didn't drag out Bernie Kerik as added incentive to behave ourselves. Or else.
Despite a loud, coordinated, angry Democratic response, Giuliani the Bully refused to back away from his completely unfounded allegations that a Democratic-controlled White House would invariably lead to the senseless deaths of countless innocent Americans.
''They do not seem to get the fact that there are people, terrorists in this world, really dangerous people that want to come here and kill us,'' Giuliani said on ''The Sean Hannity Show,'' according to a transcript distributed by his campaign. ''They want to take us back to not being as alert which to me will just extend this war much, much longer.''
This uttered by a man who had eight years to prepare for a terrorist attack, and who, as Wayne Barrett of the Village Voice pointed out last night on Countdown, never ONCE ran a skyscraper emergency drill, let alone ensured that firefighters had the proper emergency equipment. The man put the Emergency Command Center in the World Trade Center AFTER the first time it had been hit. Now that's planning ahead. BOO!
I understand that we are still over nine months out from Super Tuesday, but I was a Girl Scout (okay, only for 6 months) and I'm all about being prepared. I'd just as soon see this campaign cut down at the knees before it gains any more momentum, because Giuliani as President would be like Bush on methamphetamines. Just this morning, the latest Quinnipiac College poll showed up in my mailbox:
GIULIANI NOW LEADS CLINTON IN ALL THREE SWING STATES.
FLORIDA: Giuliani Up 49 – 41; Clinton, McCain Tied at 45;
OHIO: Giuliani Over Clinton 46 – 41; McCain at 44 to Clinton's 42.
PENNSYLVANIA: Giuliani Tops Clinton 47 – 43; McCain Up 45 – 43
I understand that polls are taken to be ignored, but you tell that to the mainstream media (yes, I'm looking at you, Tweety), who salivate at the very juicy, profitable storyline Rudy presents. If he can make it past the primaries without performing his patented spontaneous combustion (which, in itself, is always great fun to watch, like that NASCAR dude who crossed the finish line on his roof), he will be a threat.
Again, the New York Times:
Here in New Hampshire, Mr. Giuliani’s statements about the Democrats were greeted enthusiastically, suggesting how his approach may resonate among Republican primary voters skeptical of withdrawal timetables for Iraq and wary of criticism of the administration.
There is a mental disconnect in this country where a "smooth operator" like Newt Gingrich can serve divorce papers on his wife while she's lying on her hospital bed and still get reelected. (In fact, Gingrich is so confident of his abilities that he's waiting until the end of September before jumping into the race.) The faux morality of "for me, but not for thee" runs rampant in the Republican party. I think they would willingly embrace the authoritarian machismo of either Gingrich or Giuliani. Besides, they're always searching for the father figure who would keep them safe from the bogeyman at night.
So when I warn "Beware the bromides of Rudy," and people laugh and say, "oh, nobody will vote for Rudy because he's worn a dress and has three wives and we shouldn't pay any attention to him". . . well, I'm just going to point at Newt Gingrich and say, "Yes, and?" We can only hope that Giuliani winds up like the drummers in "This is Spinal Tap" — little green globules on the stools.
[P.S. I watched about 45 seconds of the "debate" - NOW will NBC fire Brian Williams?]
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zed!
woo-hoo!
first zed since the Libby trial…
(what a relief..thought the Zed master had abandoned me before I’d learned not to care….)
parallel play….
congrats kirk!
and hi watertiger!
He’s not my freakin’ mayor.
America has no mayor.
America needs no mayor.
OMG! That is now my favorite Rudy photo EVER!
sorry kirk teeheeeheeee
Does this mean I can start calling him Ghouliani?
TRex @ 8
Can we start calling him Mayor Mussolini?
IMO, the ‘defining conflict of our time’ is the rational world vs. the reigning kleptocracy and their useful tools, decades in creation.
Time for Rudy to take his place in the Great Whack-A-NeoCon-Mole game, now in progress.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 6
Great one huh? Almost looks like he’s saying “Whaddaya want fuh nuthin’?”
Thanks Loudonlib!
and lolo – congrats on your run of good zed fortune
(sticks more pins into wax keyboard)Hello, I’m normally a lurker, but just wanted to give you a heads-up that your link to the Keith Olbermann special comment is broken.
Rudy’s just trying to save money on his speechwriters. He got a bargain on Cheney’s speeches from last year. Either that or Cheney has taken over his brain.
Anybody
But
Hillary!!!
LoudounLib @ 11
Exactly
America’s Mayor wants to pick your brains…for lunch!
welcome ceeinbc!
are you Canadian?
Yeah the extreme right is going to eat that kind of shit up.
Ah, thanks! Will fix link.
Let’s call him Cheniali. Or Dick Guiliani.
America hasn’t had it’s dose of fear. Rudy’s just telling the people what they want to hear. Who’s going to pay for four more years of this “war on terror”?
Georgesimian @ 21
Dick Guiliani, definitely!
Guiliani says that America has so much Freedom, we can afford to lose some! We have Freedom to burn!
The link is fixed…I hope.
The tone deafness amazes me. How many people still think Saddam was involved with 9/11?
Christy, glad you like the shot. It was just yelling to be used. ;-)
So when I warn “Beware the bromides of Rudy,” and people laugh and say, “oh, nobody will vote for Rudy because he’s worn a dress and has three wives and we shouldn’t pay any attention to him”. . . well, I’m just going to point at Newt Gingrich and say, “Yes, and?”
Ah, but, see, Mayor Mussolini would be running against Newton Many-wives. These are two nasty, nasty men, unused to being challenged by men as nasty as themselves. They would go freakin’ ballistic on each other. Newt will run pictures of Mayor Mussolini in a dress 24/7 on the Spartanburg Fox station in the weeks before the South Carolina campaign, if that’s what it takes. Mark my words, Mayor Mussolini will not survive the onslaught of ads showing his face morphing into Hillary’s, while the Announcer Voice of DOOM intones, “Just another pro-choice, pro-gay new Yorker. Guiliani. Wrong for South Carolina. Wrong For America.”
As a New Yorker who has despised Rudy for decades I still say that he is dangerous, and gawd help us if he makes it past the primaries (which I don’t think will happen), but Rudy is ruthless. More musings here.
girl scouts, huh? will they acknowledge that?
Jack Nicholson look-a-like as the Joker.
Wait, cleter @
5
Barack Obama used the title “America’s Mayor” when trying to smack Rudy down over his statement about Dems wanting terrorists to win. Barack Obama needs a crash course in framing if he’s going to stay in the race and win.
Ghouliani looks like Dr. Doom, just paint his face green and give him cape.
BTW, what was with Brian Williams making the candidates raise their hands?
I literally turned the TV on, heard him castigating one of them for not raising his/her hand, promptly turned the TV off.
Rudy only has 9/11 to run on, (as opposed to his ex-wives, which he runs away from) so you can guarantee he will repeat it often.
You’re shittin’ me! Obama called him America’s mayor! What an ass!
punaise @ 27
Let’s just say I . . . elected to leave.
My lawyer advised me not to say any more.
Watertiger
You are so right. Rudy can’t be discounted. I dearly love my severely right winger brother but he shocked me silly by being 100% for Rudy.The only thing that gave him a tiny bit of pause was the fact that Rudy has a strained relationship with his kids. My bro’s a great Dad, so that bit sunk in a little
cleter @
9
Hey! Easy on the ethnic jibes…
I think Kerik’s the key to the downfall of America’s Mayor… as part of the general, ‘if you don’t let us pillage the treasury the terroristiacs will get us’ meme.
watertiger @ 34
that must have been the year of the snark-tainted cookies. just sayin’.
Rudy needs fear of 9/11 to win, either that or to rally the GOP’s base with moral outrage against an out group. If Rudy and the other Republican Presidential candidates can’t get traction with the war look for them to go after gay imigrants who want to marry. Newt is a master of this tactic if this is the only thing the Republicans have to run on assuming the war (McCain’s issue) stays unpopular then Newt will run.
jayt @
15
Amen.
And raise you a Holy Ghost.
Why aren’t the Dems screaming (at the top of their lungs):
Did the Repubs help New Orleans? and they had 5 days of warnings
Have the repubs put into place the equipment needed by first responders?
Have the repubs protected our borders? our ports?
Is our military as strong as it was in 2000?
Is the world less volatile?
Is FEMA as capable as it was in 2000?
I mean, where do they get off pretending they are better at keeping us safe. They are a disaster.
Never underestimate the evil of this man. I lived in NYC for twenty years, and so endured all 8 of Rudy Mussolini’s reign. He was exactly like Shrubbie except for one key detail: He is actually semi-competent. Evil plus competence = the end of the Republic as we knew it. BTW, Keith Olbermann was not exaggerating. Every word in his special comment was 100% accurate.
I relish a primary fight between Newton Many-wives and America’s Most Adulterous Mayor.
No way this guy gets elected..Oh, wait…
dammit !
I think Kerik’s the key to the downfall of America’s Mayor… as part of the general, ‘if you don’t let us pillage the treasury the terroristiacs will get us’ meme.
Kerik is definitely a liability for Giuliani, and the Democrats would be wise to keep making that connection.
What Treasury? Dick Cheney’s absconded with whatever was left.
kirk murphy @ 12
thanks, congrats to you too
naschkatze @ 28
i think more like Peter Boyle in young frankenstein
achhh! he looks like Skeletor! Scary! Maybe he should pick Chertoff as his running mate and scare everyone into voting for them. Or…Ted Olson. Shiver.
Actually, he kinda looks like a Munch figure or perhaps Klaus Kinski as Nosfertu.
I think Fred Thompson’s coming in, and will be the R candidate. The only D’s with a chance against him are Obama and maybe Edwards.
OTH, I liked Richardson’s specificity in his answers tonight – but he’s as unelectable as Kucinich.
(and I still think we gotta sneak Gravel into the Repub debates.)
I’m gonna be the devil’s advocate here because I think Rudy will be fun to run against in the general election, and entirely beatable, especially if our candidate has a Southern accent (which several of our candidates seem to have tonight in SC). If Rudy is so volatile and expressive, why shouldn’t we root for him to win the nomination? Who would be easier to beat? Besides, won’t his candidacy almost guarantee a potent third-party theocracy/forced-birth ticket?
Not trying to be difficult, just trying to understand the logic. I guess my question is: if not Rudy, who?
Ugh, Giuliani, a nasty human being. I say no more.
Think there might be more than a few NY Firefighters who might have soemthing to say about the Mayor. The issue of lung damage is only going to get worse over the years, we are just seeing the tip of that iceberg.
It’d be cool if the Republikan party split and we had two of them running against each other in the general.
Jane Hamsher @ 19
Amen. There was this surreal moment during the Florida recount debacle of 2000 where a bunch of Republican youth-thugs essentially stopped the recount in Miami-Dade by forming a mob inside the electoral offices, surrounding the poll workers and literally yelling at them to “shut it down.” Amazingly, the election officals gave in to this shit and announced they were unable to proceed. Worse, the rioters were not arrested or even really criticized. This really happened. Un-fucking-believable, I thought at the time. Too extreme and insane for anyone to seriously consider as a tactic? Wrong. It really is how that crowd operates — and will continue to operate unless they are called out on it, and receive the shit-kicking they so richly deserve.
TRex, we NYers have been calling him “Ghouliani” for years. Have at it.
(no ethnic slur intended)
Georgesimian @ 21
I want to commend Keith Olbermann for referring on MSNBC tonight to the “so-called war on terror.”
TeddySanFran @
49
Romney! Romney! Romney!
Can you imagine running against that loser?
watertiger @ 54
I was complaining about the Mussolini reference, not against “Ghouliani” which I think is brilliant, and completely deserved.
TeddySanFran @ 49
I’ve heard enough stupid CT republikans talking about Giuliani as if he were the man who revived NYC and should run for president, before 9/11, to be concerned.
That pic looks like he’s showing his wound from up on the cross. Cross dressing is a hard job.
TeddySanFran @
49
I think Edwards would beat the living crap out of Mayor Mussolini. Every time, in every debate, that the moderator refers to him as “Mayor,” he become a little less electable.
And I think you’re right–there would be a right-wing Nader who would siphon off some of the forced-birthers.
TeddySanFran @ 49
You may have a point. I can’t imagine Rudy winning. But what if they rig the election (again). Rudy really is a fascist. He also said, recently, that the pres should be able to arrest people w/o a warrant (or any of that messy due process). But, he promised that he wouldn’t do it often.
Actually it’s unconsitutional for someone who has received land or title from a foreign country to run for office, or be in office.
I got it.. Romney-Schwarzenegger, vs Giuliani/Lieberman ‘08!
The Repugs just aren’t going to win in 2008, whatever Guiliani says, because Bush has just begun to go down. He’s going to take a lot of Republicans with him, and maybe our country too.
Blub @ 57
What’s wrong with referring to him as Rudy Mussolini? They’re both fascists. It’s more alliterative than Mayor Hitler.
Schwarzegger can’t be Veep, since he can’t serve as Prez.
kirk murphy @ 18
Thanks, Kirk, and yes, I’m Canadian, but back to lurking & reading – can’t keep up with comments nowadays!
Rudy/Jeb
vs
Brownback/Musgrave
vs
AnyDem/AnyDem
Nice job Watertiger, Fooliani must be stopped now before the myths are allowed to take hold. Instead of responding the Dems are not weak, they should point out over and over who the Mayor was when the radios didn’t work, the command center was destroyed, and Bernie Kerik was banging Judith Regan while the cleanup workers breathed toxic dust.
Asshole has as much foreign policy experience as my Pomeranian. Keeping the world safe from Squeegee men!
Georgesimian @ 64
Giuliani is such a fascist, it’s good to make xtra sure that he doesn’t win.
cleter @
60
Really guys.. this reference is racist, offensive and unbecoming. Would we think it be acceptable if a German-American candidate become Reichsfuhrer Hitler, a Japanese one, Emperor Hirohito or a Chinese one, Mao? Let’s come up with a better way of insulting this loser, shall we?
Blub @ 63
Guiliani-Lieberman. Good. God. Almighty. The horror! That is the most repugnant ticket imaginable.
Giuliani cultivates the tough guy image hoping that nobody notices that he is a clueless ideologue and bully, you know like Bush.
TeddySanFran @ 66
Before or after shrub suspends the constitution?
doggone it…..I wanted to continue the epu’d thing about Kucinich/kos/abortion rights……but I think Rudy is the worst and most dangerous of the whole godawful bunch of ‘em……so now I’m, like, distracted…..
Twisted Martini @ 69
And keeping the world safe from modern art.
I’ve never cared much for Brian Williams- can’t stand the damned sunglass tan line for one thing- but he didn’t write the questions- he just read them.
oddmommy @ 75
Yes Rudy is an unconstitutional ticket, anyway you look at it.
Could someone post a link to the offending kos stuff.
Ruudee is the favorite right now- but how the hell is he gonna survive when the fundies find out who he really is? Can’t see it somehow- but who knows?
mui @
76
And scattering porn shops to every neighborhood with low rents, instead of centralized in the Times Square area. Can’t have Disneyworld Northeast all sexed up.
Blub @ 71
Dude, are you defending Mussolini? It’s unacceptable to compare fascists to each other? When did that happen?
Sorry…I ain’t buyin’ what they’re pushin’…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT4RGkX309o
Giuliani: Nobody can make you safer then me!
3000 Americans would beg to differ.
Anyone, it may be a moot point if we play this the right way. I think we need to employ a duel strategy of publicly harping on his heavy-handed civil liberties records Kerik/cronies publicly and, privately, encourage discussion of his record of not-being a social conservative, both with respect to his public positions (stem cells, abortion, etc) and his private life (serial adulterer). If the Christian right rethug base stays home, then the rethugs are finished.
Totally, totally, totally and way, way, way off topic, but does Keith’s hair look grayer than usual? Think he’s trying to project the Cronkite vibe?
I’m watching the Tillman/Lynch hearing on C-Span2. Unbelievable. The press is getting it’s ass waxed by waxman & friends. As right they should. The media are in pretty big trouble, I’d say. They are going to go full force Gop next election so that they aren’t brought into hearings too.
cleter @ 81
That PARTICULAR fascist is hardly the most offensive one out there in history and I can only presume is selected here only because of the ethnic correspondence. That’s racism.
Why Rudy Giuliani Can’t Stop Cashing in on 9/11: http://www.alternet.org/story/41443/
That picture makes Ghouliani look like Dracula.
If Guiliani could get elected to a higher office than mayor of New York, he would be in that office right now. Mayor of New York is a dead-end street. Just ask Governor Koch or President Lindsay.
To me, he looked like he was singing in that picture. So, I thought about it for awhile, and came up with the song. “As Long As He Needs Me” from Oliver, don’t you think? Rudy about Dubya, cue music:
He doesn’t act as tho’ he cares,
But deep inside I know he cares,
And this is why, I’m tied
Right by his side.
As long as he needs me
I know where I must be.
I’ll cling on steadfastly,
As long as he needs me.
As long as life is long,
I’ll love him, right or wrong;
And somehow I’ll be strong
As long as he needs me.
If you are lonely
Then you will know
When someone needs you
You love them so.
I won’t betray his trust,
Tho’ people say I must.
I’ve got to stay true, just
As Long As He Needs Me.
Helen @
85
I think it’s because the filters are adjusted so Tweety’s hair won’t look so orange. It seems to happen when they appear together.
I think it’s because the filters are adjusted so Tweety’s hair won’t look so orange. It seems to happen when they appear together.
Now if they could use that filter that makes Tweety’s head look smaller…
Rudy was head of the WTC building pre 9/11 right? Who did he hire for the security detail for the WTC?
watertiger @ 80
And scattering porn shops to every neighborhood with low rents, instead of centralized in the Times Square area. Can’t have Disneyworld Northeast all sexed up.
Acutally, I liked the old Times Square. I try to avoid the new Times Square, it makes me cry. I miss all the transgendered folks.
watertiger @ 93
And wipe the spit from his lips.
Kerik has mob connections, and his mentor and promoter, Rudy didn’t know? Mr. G looks none to clean to me.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 97
Kerik is not a wholesome guy. That’s for sure. And he was a disastor in Iraq if you read “Emerald City.”
Lou Costello @ 88
Great article Lou. A lot of sunlight on Rudy’s vampirism. How’s things? Did you see that Charlie won the DFA Grassroots All-Stars competition?
sooooooooooooper doooooooper
WaterTiger quotes Rudy:
What Rudy obviously cannot comprehend, is that is the way it should be. We, as the USA I grew up in, should NEVER be on the offense in these types of situations. We can impose defensive measure and be pro-active (a little security for the ports would be nice) in setting up the defense, but we should never ever ever be going first in anything but peace.
Blub @ 87
1. Italian is not a “race”
2. Is it racist for people to call Hillary “Hitlery?” Because I see that one a lot.
3. It’s alliterative. If his name was Rudy Smitler, I would jokingly call him Rudy Hitler. If his name was Rudy Rollins, I might refer to him as Rudy Stalin. Would that be too offensive?
4. Why is Ghouliani somehow less offensive?
5. Is it less racist to compare him to Count Chocula?
The Rude One is in trouble now. From teh AP:
ccmask @
94
There are so many things we can nail him on….
- proposing that NYC’s homeless be relocated to concentration camps on the city’s islands
- mass homeless clearance campaigns
- jackboot gentrification in the east village
- combining forces with thugs to undermine the local school boards
- numerous numerous other things
ccmask @ 94
No – it was the Port Authority of NY & NJ which, just a few weeks (months?) earlier sold it to Larry Silverstein. They had just hired John O’Neill (formerly of the FBI; read “The Looming Tower” by Lawrence Wright to get the scoop on John O’neill; he was one of the few who tried desperately to convince the feds of the Al Queda threat; he gave up and started his new job days before the towers fell) to get the scoop.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 97
rudy’s father as well. But we can never forget the names of Amadou Diallo and Abner Luima and all the other victims of “Guiliani Time”
I went to google to play a little and I typed Rudy’s name wrong. Here’s what google gave me:
From Google:
Did you mean: Rudy giuliani sucks
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Rudy giulliani sucks&btnG=Search
Here’s a little bit of history that the GOP and Giuliani don’t want anyone to remember:
-The first World Trade Center attack happened on February 26, 1993
-Giuliani was Mayor of NY from 1994-2001. So I think Rudy had 7 years to come up with a security plan for NY but he never did.
Typical of the GOP to brush their screw ups under the carpet and blame it on someone else.
cleter @ 102
Look.. I don’t want to argue this point anymore.. I find racial and ethnic jokes offensive, and I find attempts to nitpick around what constitutes such offensive humor to be even more offensive. If you can’t see the difference between this and making a Hitler reference about Hillary, then I don’t think this conversation is worth having. This conversation is over.
Is anyone watching MSNBC at the moment? Can anyone tell me what in the hell is wrong with Tucker Carlson’s lips? Cold sore? Weird lip balm? Somebody smacked him in the mouth? Any guesses?
Based upon a recommendation from Rudy to the prez, we almost had a mobster for Secretary of Homeland Security. Can you beat that?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 109
I smacked him Christy; (not that I would ever advocate violence here at FDL)
Giuliani’s comments went beyond fear mongering. They read more like a threat or promise. My question after hearing them was “Should we expect more Anthra# letters if you’re not elected, Rudy?”
Luckily, Olbermann was on duty.
ccmask @ 94
If you’re getting at the Marvin Bush connection…
OT, but Richardson is blowing it in after-interviews.
dakine01 @ 106
Patrick Dorismond.
Why can’t I edit? Anyway; me at 105 – John O’Neill was the security director at the WTC when the towers fell. The irony is overwhelming.
Helen @ 105
Don’t get me started on John O’Neill….He was forced to resign right before 9/11 from the CIA due to a lost briefcase in Tampa. I think it held the evacuation routes of all New York. He was a great guy. He had a very big funeral. I thing him and a Barbara Bodine had bad karma.
watertiger @ 114
Who, me? *crickets* Where is Marvin?
Raw Story is reporting that in tomorrows “Sun” there is a Rudy interview where he flips and now denounces civil unions.
Shorter Rudy: Democrats=al quaida
Christy Hardin Smith @ 110
He might be trying to grow a moustache, or maybe he put to much tan in the can near his lips and he is having an allergic reaction.
The O’Neill wrt NY is here, halfway down the page. http://home.earthlink.net/~sil…../id22.html
solai @ 120
Here ya go: Rudy’s opportunism shines like a beacon in the dark!
I have no idea what that means, other than the fact that because his opportunism is so obvious, the MSM will studiously ignore it.
itwasntme @
121
Cheney’s been doin’ that meme since 9/11… not to mention Delay the other day (Pelosi=Treason)
Helen @ 112
My question is this: Why are they broadcasting this as though it were the convention?
I appreciate they held a “debate.” But the music, the ad naseum commentary…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 110
As I don’t have cable, I’ll put on my best Dr. Frist goggles and diagnose anyway:
I see a very rare phenomonon in psychoneuroimmunology -
Fulminant oral herpes simplex…
resulting from total body T-cell evacuation.
Previously described when immune systems depart their hosts out of sheer embarassment.
Rudy is in my top 10 “Drink expensive cognac when I read their obituary” list.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 110
Maybe he got his lips too close to the TV when he was watching that Malkin video.
And now I’ve completely grosssed myself out…
Blub @ 108
Dude, you called me a racist. Pardon me if I’m offended.
Is it too racially insensitive to use the Italian term “fascist” on Rudy? Is “fascist” suddenly a racist anti-Italian slur? When did that happen?
If this next eection is stolen, America is really in big trouble. We get one more chance to knock them out.
kirk murphy @ 127
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 109
I think the problem is largely that the lips are attached to Tucker Carlson.
ccmask @ 94
Marvin Bush
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 128
*splutter*cough*choke*
BRILLIANT!!! LOL!
ccmask @ 131
And yet almost NO ONE at FDL understands the need to fight like the other side does.
The weakness I see on display daily from progressives sickens me. We need to FIGHT LIKE OUR LIVES DEPEND ON IT and sweep away into the dustbin of history, all who oppose us. TAKE NO PRISONERS.
I don’t understand why people here can’t see that.
Why yes, I HAVE read the Little Red book. :-D
Somebody get Andrea Mitchell of my fucking TV
MSNBC post-debate MSM commentary:
Andrea Mitchell: “desperate” not to blow each other up.
Tweety: Will Repubs hold up Kuchinich and Gravel and hold them up as “this is what we’re running against.”
Fineman: Republicans think tonight helps them frame the debate on Iraq.
Helen @ 137
Alan Greenspan is getting his Vitamin B shots. She had nowhere else to go.
Andrea Michell is fu*king your TV?
Get out of the house! Now! Run!
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 136
I agree. Just watching these Republicans (like Shays right now) squirmin g during this Tillman hearing is just sickening. Mary Tillman is a good role model for us.
Hm. On the local news, the big story is the weeping Vigin Mary statue in Orlando.
cleter @
130
OK, to be clear. I did not call you a racist. I said that the use of the name of an Italian dictator simply because it is ethnically similar to (in this case, alliterative with) the name of the Italian-American you are targeting in your slur, strikes me as racist.. or at least as racist as Imus’ comments a couple of weeks ago. That usage offends me, and I wanted to request that we stop doing it.
The word “fascist” has acquired connotations that go beyond Italy in the 1930s and is now in wide usage far beyond Italy or Italian-Americans. Thus, its use in respect of an American who espouses fascist views, is acceptable.
The use of “Mussolini” is acceptable in this context only if you promise me that you would’ve elected to use that particular name to refer to another rethug with fascist views as readily as you would have to this partiuclar one. I would be shocked if you would have.
cleter @ 140
Ewwww! Don’t load me up with mental images like that. Shit! I’m gonna have bad dreams tonight.
Tweety: She never appealed to any special courtesy for being a woman…
Duh. She’s running as a candidate, not a “woman.”
Scarborough: She only got “a little shrill” at the end.
Look, I’m not rooting for Hil as candidate, but lord. Now Chris is talking about Hil’s pealrs and Obama’s “pretty wife” and Edwards’ haircut and how “cosmetics are a part of this game.”
Let’s all just take a moment and remember that we are among friends and should treat each other accordingly.
The mods really don’t like to remove comments so let’s not make them.
Thanks.
GPB, are you off your meds? (and I mean that in a kidding way, I think the world of you)
We’re pretty damn active around here.
OT –
What Harry Reid really said was “And as long as we follow the President’s path in Iraq, the war is lost. But there is still a chance to change course – and we must change course.”
I agree that the war is lost (actually, never could be won with a force of 150k), but the media is quoting him out of context (again) and should be called on it.
Someone needs to put up a video of a fish flopping around on a boat deck every time the Giuliani campaign comes out with a statement:
As noted above:
In a major reversal from an earlier position, the political website of the New York Sun will report tomorrow that former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani now opposes civil unions between same sex partners.
An advanced copy of an article sent to RAW STORY shows that the New York Republican has backed off his earlier support for civil unions, prompted by the passage of a law in New Hampshire’s State Senate.
“In this specific case the law states same sex civil unions are the equivalent of marriage and recognizes same sex unions from outside states. This goes too far and Mayor Giuliani does not support it,” the Giuliani campaign said in a written response sent to the Sun’s Ryan Sager.
Always calculating down to the molecule, that Rudy. So what is “just far enough”?
Alliteration means things start with the same letter.
Kirk@127
Fun – nee!
Funny, I’ve called Bush Benito Bush, because that’s who he reminds me of most.
Except for how Benito could actually, you know, speak coherently in his native language.
cleter @ 142
Realty check. Thank you. I mean it.
mrsmarks @ 145
No they’re not. Haven’t they ever heard the phrase (sorry I have no attribution) “Politics is show business for ugly people”
LJ/Aquaria @ 151
Yeah, but could he play the bongos?
These boobs on MSNBC are making me gag.
TeddySanFran @
49
I did notice a little bit of an accent shift there sometimes.
watertiger @ 148
This is not flip-flopping. Only Democrats flip-flop. This is “articulating a more focused position.” It is also “moderating one’s views to suit the electorate.” Or “modulating a position to ensure alignment with voters’ wishes.”
But flip-flopping? Nope. IOKIYAR.
Thanks WaterTiger. I can never seem to remember Dorismond’s name. I knew there was a third person on the list but for whatever reason, it keeps escaping the mind. It may be because I was working in Manhatan when the other two happened so saw the names in the news all the time so that they seeped into the consciousness.
watertiger @ 148
flipflop
I think Benito was probably a better dancer. :)
Urban Pirate @
147
We’re active here…in a very polite “Oh, let’s not get them upset” kind of way.
We need to adopt the same vicious, underhanded, vile tactics the other side uses. We need to Swiftboat the repukes. As many times as necessary. We need to adopt the tactics of Karl Rove.
I’ve said many times, once we are firmly in power, with a veto-proof majority in both houses, once the repuke party is reduced to nothing but its southern strategy, we can raise the level of discourse. In the power struggle, we cannot have rules of engagement. We cannot take prisoners.
Only then will we be assured victory.
I just could not make myself listen to Tweety, tweet after the debate this evening.
KO needs to handle this stuff dammit.
Ahem. Do I detect alcohol on breath in this group? Several of you could get good paying jobs as comedy writers…
Zee @ 155
Is that boobs-a-lot?
itwasntme @ 163
Who? What? Not me!!
To heck with Hill’s pearls, and Obama’s wife: What about the knock-out red-head with Kuchenich?
dakine01 @ 158
that death exemplified Giuliani’s disdain for the little things like the right to NOT have your juvenile records unsealed and used against you to prove that it was okay for the cops to shoot you in the back.
itwasntme @ 163
One of Letterman’s writers hit me up to submit some material, via an online writers group. I was new to the toobz, so I thought he was full of shit. Blew him off. Found out he was legit.
There went my chance for fame and glory… :::Sigh:::
watertiger @
148
Il Duce has been misquoted. He supports same-sex onions. So long as they keep the peel on, he’s cool with that.
I need help. Will someone tell me to turn my TV off please?
Zee @ 170
I’ll tell you to chuck it out your window. Would that help?
itwasntme @ 166
Sorry, but I got a major twinkie vibe from her.
itwasntme @ 166
That’s his wife who, like, a week after meeting him agreed to marry him. Must be the Fitz allure. Smart is MEGA hot. Loo Hoo are you here? can you back me up?
LJ/Aquaria @ 160
Bush and the ‘Bot gettin’ their phreak on to the Senegalese beat yesterday in the Rose Garden was more disturbing to watch than Sanjaya destroying the Kinks’ “You Really Got Me”.
[shudder]
Any consensus on who won the debate tonight?
LJ/Aquaria@168
It’s never too late to sell yourself out to the Whore of Babylon, Hollywood.
Believe me, I know.
To save Democracy, we must destroy Democracy.
Or we could just use the rope the GOP has handed out in job lots and just lynch them using the scandals they provide day in and day out.
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US church leaders lobby Bush on global warming
Blub @ 175
There wasn’t enough content for any of them to win in my opinion.
dakine01 @ 164
Are you guys talking about the gaggle of funny gasbags… Or gargle of gaseous funbags?
Blub @ 175
No matter who wins, we all lose. -AVP
OT but since I failed to do so last thread, Marcy, thank you for the post on Waxman AND allowing us to hi-jack the thread for the debate. And BRAVA for your abilities to live blog and be both coherent and accurate. It Ain’t Easy as the song goes. :})
Phule @
177
If you choose to believe that’s what I’m saying, knock yourself out. If you want to keep losing, keep being “nice.”
ccmask @ 130
The Dems have to put considerable effort into insuring an honest election. So much to do, so little time. But you know Rove has figured out that he can’t win in ‘08, so I think his energy is going to figuring out a way to steal it. Let’s face it, his staying out of jail depends on it. He is desperate. All the repubs must be.
How did we come to the point where we’re worried about a fair election?
GPB, Karl Rove’s “way” is going to come to light, and as long as we all do our jobs keeping the light shining, the Pugs are going to pay dearly for this nonsense for a decade or more.
Now, what we do need to realize is that much of this fight is branding, and that people vote pug for the same reason they buy miracle whip or drink pepsi or root for the braves- it’s what they’ve always done. It’s what their parents did. It’s cultural and subliminal, not intellectual.
Branding is all about peeling away that loyalty and building loyalty with our “brand” – and frankly we suck at it, and the pugs have been masters of marketing for quite a while now. Too bad for them reality keeps stepping in and showing that their core beliefs/ideas are mostly shit.
Anyway – learn from GOP – sure. Copy Rove? No way.
itwasntme @ 166
When Dennis met Elizabeth.
watertiger @ 174
I thankfully denied myself both of those macabre spectacles. No, don’t provide the details. I’m sure my life is much better for the absence of those “delights.”
itwasntme @ 176
It is when you forgot the guy’s email addy!
@183
all we have to do is tell the truth, as often and loudly as possible
the r’s are liars
the r’s are thieves
the war is killing our kids and theirs
end the lying
end the thieving
end the war
vote D
and send the liars and the thieves to jail
Helen,
Keith’s hair was combed back more than it normally is. Looked grayer. Good for him, he doesn’t color it like most of the phonies.
Blub@175
I think Faux News will announce that Bush won tonight’s debate. It was a decisive affirmation of his “surge of corpses” strategery.
Nate @
180
Whichever works for you. Damn, I’m trying to type around my feline who has decided he wants to share the lap with the laptop. Not an easy task.
In those “debates” earlier, Sen. Clinton was still blaming Bush for her voting for ‘his’ war. The Senator just doesn’t get it. We are supposed to believe this is what passes for leadership?
Nate @ 180
I was talking about the Shadowstalker @ 191
He was very “presidential”.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 192
Did he use Jedi mind tricks on her? Did he drug her, perhaps? Or hynotize her? How did that work, exactly?
Helen@173
Kissenger said it: Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac. She must have brains to have hooked up with him, even tho she looks like a hair-tossing twit.
Loo Hoo @ 190
For some, too, when it starts going gray, it goes fast.
I’ve been lucky in this regard. I still only get an occasional strand, so I’m not puzzling over natural vs. dye job yet.
Mr. Giuliani would be Bush III. He is using the same bullying tactics. He supports the same unconstitutional, illegal searches, wire tapping, interrogations, imprisonments, wars. He would expand Mr. Bush’s fictional terrors and do as little to prepare for, avoid, or respond to real ones. He considers those “assets” that qualify him to be President. Don’t we want a qualified CEO this time, instead of the guy who cleans the office after hours?
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 183
Still sore about those 06 elections, huh.
mui @ 95
And scattering porn shops to every neighborhood with low rents, instead of centralized in the Times Square area. Can’t have Disneyworld Northeast all sexed up.
Acutally, I liked the old Times Square. I try to avoid the new Times Square, it makes me cry. I miss all the transgendered folks.
I’d never been to NYC or Times Square until last August. I’ll bet I missed a lot.
But I did LOVE NYC!
cleter @ 195
The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded.
Now THIS is funny
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl…..56,00.html
South Carolina has asked FOX NOISE polling to help decide who is qualified to participate in the state’s rethug debate.
Helen @ 137
She’ll get drunk and fall off on her own.
Phule @ 200
These aren’t the votes you’re looking for.
Zee @ 194
Yes. Very presidential.
Phule @
199
The 06 elections mean nothing if we don’t continue to build on that. As it is, our majority in the Senate is in name only, because Clusterfuck’s BFF Joe Lieberfuck votes with the Repukes, ALL THE TIME.
We need iron-clad majorities. We need for the next 20 to 30 years, what the repukes have had since 2001.
After 20-30 years, I don’t care, I’ll be dead and once I’m dead, y’all are on your own. But we need to have absolute power. Nothing else will do, if you don’t want to live in a Karl-Rove police state.
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 161
Are you for real? We don’t need to Swiftboat anyone…we have tons of truthy scandals, subpoenas, and unconstitutional conduct. We don’t have to make anything up.
I prefer turning their words against them. They say we want to “surrender” Iraq and we say “exactly! it wasn’t ours to begin with!”
They say “limit law enforcement” and we say “yes the constitutional laws we have are adequate for the job…”
They say “defense” and we say “yes, it’s the Dept of Defense, stupid”.
Hope this helps in the rhetoric department.
HA HA! Gulianni, the poor soul, just doesn’t know WTF he stands for.
Except be afraid, be very afraid…
LJ/Aquaria @
197
What hair I have is mostly gray but the first gray hair showed when I was sixteen so no biggie d. But then as I man I can say that.
OT LJ/Aquaria but are you getting any thunder rumbles? I seem to be hearing some from the south of me and just curious.
itwasntme @ 196
I respectfully disagree. Karl Rove has power. Is he hot? It’s the smarts.
GPB said
Sorry. Uh I don’t understand Bush-speak…
I love Keith more than I should admit, but ugh, Pat Buchanan and Bob Schrum? I’m turning off the teevee now.
“Fascist” is not an Italian word. “Fascimo”, “fascio” and “fasces” have Italian usages & Latin origins.
They all relate to a bundle of sticks, which appear on Benito’s legacy as well as throughout the U.S. Capital building and U.S. currency.
Now STOP it you two, or you’re going to be sent to bed without any muffins.
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 183
We need to adopt the tactics of Henry Waxman to send these F***ers to prison. The Republicans are all criminals and that is the club that can be used for the complete destruction of the Party. That is why we need a candidate who will pledge to restore the rule of law and will not shrink from the duty to prosecute all of these felons. The Republican Party will be a target rich environment. The question will be; where to draw the line. Five thousand felony trials seems about right to me.
It’s impossible to stay ahead of the curve with Rove. We didn’t know about the purged voter rolls till it was too late. We didn’t make sure Ohio voters didn’t have to stand in line for hours to vote till it was too late.
And we sure as hell didn’t do enough to investigate Diebold.
So, what’s planned for next year?
LJ/Aquarian@188
Aha! You’ve made the fatal mistake of deleting an email address! I guess it wasn’t meant to be after all.
Steve!
dakine01 @ 209
Huh. Haven’t noticed any. My house is pretty insulated, and I’m NW of you. Maybe it hasn’t gotten close enough to me yet. I’ll check outside (need a smoke, anyway). BRB
Gunga Djinn @ 212
Muffins? There are muffins?
I hear Bin Laden has a poster hanging in his complex of Rudy Giuliani in drag that has a caption: “We are supposed to be afraid of THIS man?”
-GSD
itwasntme @ 216
Of course I deleted it! I thought he was a pervert!
Then again… That wasn’t necessarily ruled out…
LJ/Aquaria @ 221
O’Reilly emailed you? (I’m a bad person…)
Did Tillman’s death occur during a time when we needed a “good war story”? Listening to this is making me look for my foil. I would love to read the emails from this point in time.
Helen@210
I hear you; thinking about KKKarl in that way makes me nauseous.
ccmask @ 223
It happened almost simultaneously with the Abu Garib story.
Steve @
214
I wish I could believe in Waxman, I wish I could believe the Justice Department was capable of doing the right thing but I just don’t believe it.
I know, I sound like a nut, but we have to stop being so damn polite. We just have to. [slump]
Is Rudy’s base made up of any of the firefighters or emergency workers? If not, what does that tell you?
Helen @ 173
Sorry, missed the aftermath, Helen.
ccmask @ 94
Wasn’t it Bernie K?
ccmask @ 227
HELLLLL, no!
LJ/Aquaria@221
Of course he was a pervert!
I’ve died many times about the chances I passed by to whore myself out. The line is long. You have to go back to the end every time.
Ding!
ccmask @ 226
I’m not entirely sure what Rudy’s base is. Stone-cold authoritarians, I believe. People who care more about having a Strong Man than they do about hot-button stuff like abortion. Whether that’ll get you through the early primaries is a good question. I suspect it won’t. I know actual SC primary voters who will NOT vote for Guiliani because he’s squishy on the social issues. And he’s a mayor. From New York.
watertiger @ 230
Ten how can he expect to run as NY’s mayor if the people who were there that day hate him? Oh, I forgot, because the media will bring it home for him. Geez. We really need to take our gloves off and get some shovels & start digging.
cleter @ 233
I think his base is Rove.
GPB@226
I hear you. I was in your space last night, and declined to watch the Moyers docu because of sh*t overload. Take a break, dearest, look at the trees and the birds for a day. Definitely no TV. FDL is cleansing, tho.
darkine:
Didn’t seen anything here, but the wind is picking up. Again, I’m NW of you, and a storm from the SE will hit me later, if at all.
Don’t the firefighters in NYC absolutely hate his guts?
itwasntme @ 231
Aw… Not all of ‘em are perverts. A lot of them. But not all!
If that much dirt is out in the open about Giuliani, what on earth is he still hiding?
The authoritarian voters don’t care what Rudy did with or to his ex-wives; they’ll forgive or ignore everything if he sends them to the promised land of Certainty.
But the other sixty plus percent of American voters can still think. And will be disgusted by the details of Rudy’s lies and outrageous life. But not if they don’t hear about them.
If comes down that Sen. Clinton is the nominee, I will vote for her. But… as things stand, it will be the unhappiest vote I’ve ever cast.
Blub @ 238
Everyone in NYC hates him.
At the link is a video of Rudy talking to Peter Jennings, about how he knew the south tower was going to collapse. Even though it has never before happened in the history of NY.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ar…..arning.htm
David Shuster for truthiness. Can’t wait until he writes his tell all. Hey David if your lurking, let us know we will have you over for a book salon.
Blub @ 238
Everyone within a 10 mile radius of NYC hates Rudy’s guts.
Except Judy and her tiara.
ccmask @ 234 says:
The FDNY unions have vowed to dog his a** across the country for how he treated them when the photo-ops had ended. They are NOT happy campers and on his side in any way shape or form.
I’m gonna be lurking diners and barbershops in NH for Doody Ghouliani so that I can call him a bald-headed, fear-mongering pudslice to his face.
-GSD
Blub @ 238
With a white-hot passion.
Loo Hoo @ 228
She is hot and sexy and British? Was that an accent?
Loo Hoo @ 228
Oh you don’t need to see her to answer the question. The question is: Why does Fitz give you the vapors? I think (just from my own experience, of course) it’s because he’s smart.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 240
I will be weeping in the voting booth, too, brother. No doubt the sub-standard optical reader in my Florida precinct will misread my tear-stained ballot. Mistakenly recording me as voting twice for Guiliani-Brownback…or the Unity ‘08 ticket of McCain-Lieberman.
Blub @
71
I dont see the problem. He has been “Benito” Guiliani to me since he was so named by the Daily Show, back when he was Mayor. Hes a fascist fskwit. There are two famous fascist fskwits in history and Guiliani, whatever other faults he has, is not malevoleant enough to be a Hitler.
As a NYer, I can perfectly see many of his fans excusing his authoritarian streak with, “But he got the trains to run on time!” (Ive actually heard, “But he got rid of the Squeeges!”)
cleter @ 251
me too. Run Al Run
Here’s a good question for Rudy on the campaign trail:
Hey, Rudy, who old you the WTC was going to collapse on 9/11?
LJ/Aquaria @
237
I was just hearing rumbles off to the south and knew it wasn’t planes. Just hope we don’t get another like the other night with hail and such. Kinda nasty for a while there.
Hi GPB :)
I’d love to see a flood of citizen False Claims (qui tam) actions drain the reichwing.
IANAL, but real attorneys here at the Lake pointed out the USA’s can’t move on current qui tam actions ’cause Alberto’s shop sits on ‘em.
Beyond that – and widespread non-violent civil disobedience – what other options do you identify?
Short of violence, of course.
This isn’t a rhetorical question. EarthFirst! is not limited to “polite”.
I am curious about other non-violent options for defending our Republic.
Watertiger,
Why were you a girl scout for only 6 months? Funny, I was only in for that amount of time too. In 6th grade, I was kicked out of the girl scouts for starting “The Beatnic Club” in Bemidji, Minnesota. My friends and I used to go down the street and meet with the musicians with bongo drums and sing the wonderful Folk Songs of the day.
Haven’t read comments, but am NYCer who is stronglu against Rudy for all of the obsiouvs reasons.
Here’s a suggestion. One of Rudy’s foreign policy advisors is for UN rep Bolton. How ’bout a series of R advisors & what they stand for?
Helen @ 250
There’s a line, Helen. Being smart is can definitely make a guy hot despite his looks. But I can think of a long list of really smart evil slugs who could NEVER be hot. There has to be a heart and soul in there. Cheney’s a smart man. There’s not a degree of hotness in his gelatinous body.
Loo Hoo @ 257
Hey, me too!! 7th grade. I preferred to hang out with the adults.
cleter @ 251
Don’t despair. We’ve got a lot of baseball left. And this time is different from the last time.
And I say this as one who was unaware of blogistan last time and REFUSED to watch any cable debates until just before the primaries. This is still where most Americans are today. For most of the voting public, there’s some noise about “front runners” and a lot of blank slate.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 241
OKK, I’m so happy to hear you say this. Hillary may not end up being my first choice, but I will support the dem candidate. You good man, OKK.
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @
226
I not optimistic either. I quess my point is that we don’t have to adopt the methods of the enemy to win because they are so fucking stupid. If the Republicans had only committed “political crimes” your methods would be needed. The fact that they are common criminals means we can take the high road. Any candidate who wants to work with the current Republicans is a non-starter; I think Obama is in that group.
cleter@251, Ghouliani/Brownback, isn’t that the same mold as Bush/Cheney, with the sole exception that Brownback wants to run for president? Enough already!!!
TRex is taking my dog’s name in vain upstairs
I have a female friend who thinks Guiliani has a wonderful smile, go figure.
Zee@259
Some people find evil hot…
Not me. Never. But that’s where “they” get them.
itwasntme @ 267
Bad, yeah. Evil, not for me.
itwasntme @ 267
I’d pay $5 if someone went on record saying Rove was hot. $10 if they got a tattoo of him somewhere on their body.
Loo Hoo @ 257
I never got a handle on the whole “authority” thing. ;-)
Zee, you bad baby!
itwasntme @ 231
I hear you, it.
My biggest miss was right after I’d completed a year long Human Sexuality Clinic training at UCLA.
Another clinician and I were invited to team up and submit replies…
…to questions the LA Weekly readers would have…
for the Weekly’s two new sex columnists.
My writing partner and I flaked on the Weekly’s editors….
mostly ’cause I was distracted….
sigh.
What a
ridegig that would have been…itwasntme @ 271
I guess that’s why my husband finds me hot.
Steve @
263
Well, any time you think we don’t need to adopt their tactics, go read some of this.
republicans are fundamentally dishonest people. they relate to any candidate that exudes their ‘I’m taking what I want and fuck everything else’ attitude.
.
Kirk@272
That’s a scream! Human sexuality Clinic! Honey, you could write a series and sell it today. LA Weekly my arse!
I won’t ask what distracted you. Youth. I know.
karen allen @ 266
You hang with the undead?
Karen Allen, you are a fearless woman.
Cool.
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itwasntme @ 276
I was really dumb then – a fellowship distracted me. The work sort.
Zee at 269
I saw a sucker yesterday with the vanity license plate “BUSHIE” on his minivan. How much is that worth?
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