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This is a live video from March of this year.
Frankly, I hope Dolly Parton lives forever.
Hat tip to Jessica for putting me in the mood to get my Dolly on!
Lyrics below the fold.
Little Sparrow
Little sparrow, little sparrow
Precious fragile little thing
Little sparrow, little sparrow
Flies so high and feels no pain
All ye maidens heed my warning
Never trust the hearts of men
They will crush you like a sparrow
Leaving you to never mend
They will vow to always love you
Swear no love but yours will do
Then they'll leave you for another
Break your little heart in two
Chorus:
Little sparrow, little sparrow
Precious fragile little thing
Little sparrow, little sparrow
Flies so high and feels no pain
If I were a little sparrow
O'er these mountains I would fly
I would find him, I would find him
Look into his lying eyes
I would flutter all around him
On my little sparrow wings
I would ask him, I would ask him
Why he let me love in vain
I am not a little sparrow
I am just the broken dream
Of a cold false-hearted lover
And his evil cunning scheme
Chorus
All ye maidens fair and tender
Never trust the hearts of men
They will crush you like a sparrow
Leaving you to never mend
Little sparrow, little sparrow
Oh the sorrow never ends
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TRex!!
Sweet Jane !!!!!!!
ZED !!!
Petrocelli @
3
Drat !!!
Is anyone watching Bill Moyers’ show?
What has happened is much worse than I feared.
Woohooo!!! 3 toppers in the past 2 days!
Why am I still awake?
Hey, Trex…
Call me if you’re still in the mood to talk. I didn’t call you back because I wasn’t sure you’d still be awake.
-yer brudge
dmoore @ 5
What time zone are you in? I saw it a few hours ago already. The one advantage of being on the east coast.
dmoore @
5
I missed it. Is there going to be another showing this week and/or next?
What a beautiful song. Thanks TRex!
Dolly fan here :)
patrick rex @
7
Hey Patrick, how go the recordings?
Dolly is awesome. She recently said when she has sex with her husband she either thinks of Keith Urban or a “hot,young, woman” while making love. She also admitted to a British newspaper her first crush was on a Tennessee prostitute.
Im tivoing moyers..
Moyers called rather out for crying on letterman.
Speaking of Moyers’ show, which I didn’t get to watch yet…did I hear someone say he listed the people who did not agree to be interviewed? Anybody know how many were on the list, and if it’s posted somewhere outside the actual show?
Actually, I prefer Lucinda Williams and Tammy Wynette, but Dolly has a beautiful voice.
Suzanne I need to get to bed earlier than usual. Is it currently to early for joke?
CD @ 15
Yes he did. Said Bill Safire, Judith Miller, and I don’t remember who else.
CD @ 15
He did indeed.
So what’s next…does the Senate now vote on the Committee compromise? If THAT passes it goes to Bush, who vetos.
I see the next step being a short-term temporary funding bill…requiring Bush to have to come back again and again to obtain funding. Maybe no actual deadlines in this bill, be there would be de facto recognition that if things didn’t change considerably to real success then more and more Senators and Reps would defect from the War camp.
Frankly I hope that funding is also tied to a reversal of the Bush tax cuts to his wealthy cronies to start making these folks PAY THEIR SHARE for the war. Make the war profiteers pay a surtax as well!
Damn, Aunt Betsy. You have the fastest fingers on the net.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 8
Howdy everyone! Just stopping by and pulling a Truman Burbank, cuz I have to split right away. But thanks for the Dolly-ness: I think she’s way underrated. And I remember seeing her on Jon Stewart – she was very bright and is musically top notch.
And now, good afternoon, good eveining, and good night.
Petrocelli @ 12
I was not at the same studio as the B’s tonight, since I had a mix to finish at another studio. I got halfway through it and the phone rang and I ended up talking to this old friend for about an hour, then realized I was tired and my ears were tired, so I came home.
Back in with the B’s this weekend since they need a drum tech for a few more days.
Where’s Steveaudio lately?
DrDick @ 21
And I only use 7 of them!
TRex, that reminded me of a cartoon I saw years ago, wherein Dolly is gazing into a full length mirror and replies; ‘Is that what my feet look like!’, vah-vah-voom!!!!
Okay folk’s – for those not in an area where you could see the program or want a transcript here]s everything right on Bill Moyers’ web site!
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.html
CD @ 15
I’ve taped it and will make that list when I replay. Go to PBS.com for more info.
cinnamonape @ 27
Or you can read Cassie’s review, quoting one of the FDLers.
CD @ 15
That’s right; Bill Krystal, Bill O, etal, in essence the neocon KoolAid Addicts, I haven’t seen it yet, wrong time zone, but read about!
CD @ 15
Yes he did and I would be interested in that list too. I think it included Roger Ailes and Judith Miller.
“Buying the War” just finishing up here on the left coast.
refused to be interviewed: fox news’ roger ailes because he didn’t want to scoop himself on his pending book, judy judy judy citing ‘legal reasons’, charles krauthammer just because, and billboy kristol.
Good night all, cya soon.
Texas Betsy @ 29
Aunt Betsy, that girl is a national treasure. She and you are both really lucky to have each other. Keep on doing what you are doing, because it is obviously so right.
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 33
Sleep well
g’nite fini – sleep well
FiniFiniTOOBZ! @ 33
G’Nite Fini!
I am currently on IM with a former student of mine who is helping me with a SPanish translation of a page 12 document I created. I often help him with his English assignments via IM. Very cool.
dmoore @ 5
The broadcast of Moyers’s special ended here in Alaska about three minutes ago. A few observations:
1. Elegant understatement. Moyers’s style isn’t flamboyent. I wish he’d found a way to ask a few more probing questions to at least a couple of the enablers, but their absences, along with his statements about their unwillingness to participate, speak for themselves.
2. He should have covered the banning of Scott Ritter by all media, including PBS. He mentioned Ritter as an aside when covering the banning of Donahue.
3. Every article he brought up which criticized the war was covered by three websites which I read back then – almost in realtime: whatreallyhappened.com, counterpunch.com and commondreams.com. I’m sure others were on it too.
4. No wonder O’Reilly called Moyers “despicable” on his radio show yesterday.
CD @
15
He listed more than I could ever hope for…nailed officials right and “left” and the interviews with the Scripts Howard reporters were devastating to the silent media whores – bravo Moyers!
newspaperbrat @ 40
Oh it was a great program!
Hey ET – how’s the great north’s spring this evening? PBS has been kicking arse lately what with Moyers and Frontline’s political report on politics and global warming last night.
yes, kudos to Moyers. excellent but infuriating program!
punaise @ 43
Perhaps it will change the opinions of some Americans. I’d love to see that program broadcast in journalism schools.
I didn’t watch our dear Moyers on purpose. Sh*t overload. I’ll catch it when I have the nerve. Thanks, TRex for Dolly, she was perfect for me tonight.
Her song brought to mind a thread I followed from here to somewhere about women having fear of men all the time, the ones they don’t know that can hurt them, and being wary every danged day. Some men on that thread didn’t believe it was this way (as every woman can attest that it is.) Dolly brought to mind that women are a kind of minority, even today, and that broken hearted love songs by women are often more than that – when you get left with a child or two on your own.
cinnamonape @
20
can’t do that — not paying for the war is part of the plan. After all, it’s a permanent hose siphoning money out of our economy, sending it over seas, and landing it in their pockets.
Texas Betsy @ 44
I wonder if the Kool-Aid drinkers have infiltrated THOSE as well?
Or perhaps they are only hiring now from places like Oral Roberts, Liberty and Pepperdine Universities…or that place where Gannon got his phony degree!
What is wrong with Pepperdine?
Time for me to be getting some sleep. Lovely visiting with all y’all!
Texas Betsy @ 48
Other than the fact that they are notoriously conservative, they really do not belong with the others.
Buying The War
Transcript
BILL MOYERS: It’s true, so many of the advocates and apologists for the war are still flourishing in the media…
Judith Miller
Thomas Friedman
Bill Safire
Charles Krauthammer
Roger Ailes
William Kristol
Michael Gerson
Friday, saturday and sunday are looking to be some very volatile days what with Mars conjunct Uranus and square Jupiter. the Bushies versus the Congress, this time a showdown as neither will back down.
g’nite TB – wishing you a good nights sleep
Texas Betsy @ 48
Kenneth Starr is the dean, and it is a conservative nest.
Texas Betsy @ 49
G’nite, Aunt Betsy! I think it is time for me to retire as well. Have a thesis defense and my seminar tomorrow.
Hey, spidey, was wondering when you were going show up and give us an update. So this weekend is a bad one for the bushies?
DrDick @ 55
And I need to work on the schedules of 26 transfer students!
Texas Betsy @ 48
Ken Starr is Dean, go figure!!!
hey Suzi, see you’re putting the babies to bed!
Texas Betsy @ 48
Kenneth Starr for starters but I’m too sad to dwell any longer on wingnuts. (
punaise @ 54
But OMG the view from that campus is spectacular. I can’t imagine how anybody does anything there but stare at the ocean.
i wouldn’t call ‘em babies, spidey :) glad to see you back at the lake.
Punaise, ya beat me to the punchline!
Night night Betsy – sweet sleep. )
newspaperbrat @ 64
Thanks NPB! And thanks for the lovely care package!
Let’s just say nobody will win this round because it ends up being a standoff but get your popcorn ready anyway for a good fight.
Not to mention in our personal bubbles things could get a little strange…anyone notice the tension building and tempers flaring a bit? People going off and doing stuff they don’t usually do?
CTuttle @ 63
straight out of my mile wide and one inch deep knowledge base!
punaise @ 67
But, that way, you’ll never be accused of wading too deeply into the big muddy. :)
punaise @ 67
Inch deep, my, my! Cocky aren’t we!
spiderpaws @ 66
I Love this war!
uh, wait…I hate this fucking war!!!
{{{{spiderpaws}}}}
hiya spiderpaws!!!
CTuttle @ 69
busted: I rounded up.
Touche!
…and people will be easily offended and run off and do something over the top in a really emotional fashion….forget any meeting of the minds
CD @
15
Safire, Miller, Perle, Kristol, Krauthammer, others
re Powell: a unique kind of liar
re Oprah: Wow, did you see that choke? Did her devoted followers see it?
spidey, sounds like it will be a time for us to be using our wise minds. thanks for the heads up.
i just scannned the comments quickly so maybe i missed it but, nobody seems to have mentioned *Edith Piaf, the french singer of the ’40s. she was known as “the little sparrow.” wonder if dolly ws referring to her?
* she of “La Vie En Rose”
add Friedman to list of did-not-responds
Spiderpaw, I believe you’re prophetic, in that, it is stalemate, but, the getting is grand!!!
spiderpaws @
66
Yep. I think that there is a critical mass point being reached. John Stewart was touching upon it, as was Keith Olbermann.
The nation is in the process of getting rid of an abusive spouse….Bush.
-GSD
P.S. Pickles Bush telling the world that she and Chimpy suffer the most is galling too.
…and Gonzales…this could be the bye bye weekend, his aspects are terrible and I looked ahead to May for him and it seems as if he will be having a transforming experience, a bit of a change.
Gunga Djinn @ 75
I am a devotee of Oprah but do not follow her show or read her books. She was duped and no one knows it better than Oprah, me thinks.
DrDick @
50
For instance, they hired Ken Starr as the Dean of the law school.
Oops! I see that half a dozen other have already pointed this out. So, how does one erase an comment?
…big emotional shopping, hide your cards
juslin here -a bit tired now so i was lurking about – still have moyers’ program on my mind…looking to his journal on friday – expect it to be awesome as well
ET, an observation on music appreciation.
On succeeding weekends we saw two vastly different performances:
1. Dave Brubeck (with quartet and big band)
2. The Netherlands Bach Society performing Bach’s Mass in B Minor (chorale plus orchestra)
Both shows were excellent. I was struck by the difference in conventions for audience appreciation of individual performances. In live jazz, just about every solo is immediately acknowledged with applause during the piece. In the classical setting, however, a still silence follows a highlighted moment (vocal or instrumental). At the end of a piece, on cue from the conductor it seems, the audience breaks into applause.
FWIW.
spiderpaws @ 81
I wouldn’t stick a fork in this one yet! I think the Shrub still has use for his sorry carcass, if not to absorb all the flak!!!
Spidey, may I email you a question?
TRex: go right ahead
TRexxx, once again you’re putting in a late one!
spiderpaws @ 66
That would make a weird sort of sense as i lost my temper for the first time in months tonight at work. I had a very irritating customer attempting to pull a scam that i caught. Unfortunately we had to let the bint get away with it. Management had to take over and of course–the patient won. It was over front end merch, not the perscription(thankfully). We lost money, but i followed the book even when i was biting my tongue.
A showdown sounds like it might be fun to watch. XD
OT but..I am really bummed out by Rosie’s leaving The View. She was a great voice for our side. Hence, the rabid attacks from the right. Talk about witty and liberal! It was Tivo must for me. Bette than KO… if you can believe that?
Here’s a nice analysis of the incredible shrinking pundick, Dean David Broder.
-GSD
How can anyone not love Dolly?
Gen. JC Christian, patriot @ 94
Oh, General. I just love you.
In a completely manly, heterosexual way, of course.
Attention! General, Sir.
re Rosie: “When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in confederacy against him.”
jonathon swift
Dolly’s a class act, TRex. An extraordinary voice i remember all through my childhood in the 80s. Lovely choice for tonight too. I’m glad she’s still around to bite back with her wit along with that gift of song of hers.
alice b @92
that makes 2 of us… i became a view watcher when she became the moderator? for the show – so refreshing to hear an opinion that wasnt allowed anywhere else – a loss that will not be replaced – now they’ll get a person who’ll not rock the proverbial boat….and i’ll say good night to the lake now
Oprah was duped? How so? Like much of the public? Seemed almost complicite by her reaction, IMO.
other news OT
World Bank in revolt, scandal expands, Wolfie tampered with Global Climate Change Policy & Planned Parenthood Policy, Euro Parliment calls for his resignation. via ThinkProgress
Bush covering-up Iraq casualties to show surge success, burrying deaths by explosives, roadside bombs. ditto TP
McCain bails from Bush, Iraq, GOP Right. via NYT
Abramoff scandal re-expanding
Leahy re-calls Gonzo
tommorrow is gonna be wild.
too much sugar, my teeth are hurting
:)
later!
Dean Broder is getting his chappy old ass handed to him the comments section.
I think a lot of people watched Moyer’s are revisting the crime the was foisted upon two nations by the Bushniks.
-GSD
Dolly is amazing.
Moyers tonight = must see TV.
Watching Russert twitch, gulp and vibrate with nervousness when on the spot was pleasing.
GSD @ 101
As I mentioned in the prior thread, just remark that he’s starting to sound like Walter Duranty. That, he will recognize, and truly be offended by. And, perhaps, chastened, but only a bit. :)
Poor Russert, he looked like Flounder on pledge night.
-GSD
If Broder was bitter about the mean bloggers before today…he’s gonna be really in rough shape after reading the posts.
CTuttle @ 87
Flak Jacket Gonzo appears so stunned – shell shocked not unlike George & Laura today when they lined up with the African drummers before the music got them doing their respective notions dancin to da beat. Shrub was especially creepy and almost stuck his fingers in one of the musician’s eyes doing the Decider in Chief version of the Snoopy dance. Painful to witness the most dangerous President of my lifetime displaying his frat boy cheerleader zoned completely out of his right mind.
GSD @ 104
That’s funny!
And, actually, the line that’s really appropriate to Timmeh’s relationship with the White House: “Gee, Flounder, you fucked up–you trusted us.”
Texas Betsy @
48
Wingnut Central. Starr is dean of the law school. Need I say more?
Spiderpaws, did you know Gonzo met with Pryor today? Pryor stated afterwards, that he didn’t apologize, nor couldn’t recall his prior conversations with him(Dec.15th)!!!
CTuttle @ 108
Maybe Laura’s not the only one staggering around in a X*n*x haze….
Maybe Gonzales will have a lady liberty moment this weekend. Balancing, on one hand, fill in the i don’t recalls, on the other, signing his resignation.
Spinsterina @ 102
I found it quite delicious to watch him squirm and defend and sweat.
Montaq, how true! However, Gonzo’s memory is in serious relapse! How did he pass Senate confirmation, anyone recall???
…have stayed off the news today what with being completely taken up with animal rescue, a really busy, somewhat discouraging day on that front and to add politics to it would have been the nail in my coffin…so no, I didn’t know Gonzo spoke to Pryor
Stop me if you’ve heard this one before: Mark Prior is out for the season, and it’s still April.
It must reallllly suck to be a Cubs fan.
Stunning about the Gonzo meeting with Prior. Prior doesn’t strike me as a real ball buster either.
70% of us are so done with these prevaricating, mendacious pudwipes.
-GSD
CTuttle @ 112
Republican amnesia.
any directions to the Broder bash, please?
(can’t find it)
Maybe it is the much talked about Bush Derangement Syndrome.
-GSD
Must be a side effect of the kool-aid.
GSD @ 118
Let’s hope it’s highly contagious. :)
Very convienent amnesia, I might add, thank god Leahey and Waxman are calling the bluff!!!
Suzanne @ 119
LOL!!!
Jim Jones Effect.
-GSD
Here’s the Broder clubbing.
Hard times in Bush World, the Kool-Aid only comes in one flavor now. Vinegar and water.
-GSD
CTuttle @
112
I read in the comments over at a tpm site that he has Gonzalheimer’s…
…can you imagine them all running around trying to cover up their lies and fraud and not even remembering half the shit they actually did? “oooh, did I say that? whoa!”
Ed*ard Teller @ 125
TOO MUCH!!! LOL!!!!!
GSD @ 123
Just scanning the first few pages, they really are giving him a drubbing, aren’t they?
spiderpaws @ 126
You know, entirely too much BS, no way to keep stories straight!!! You know, my Mama use to say….
spiderpaws @ 126
that sounds more like the effects of purple haze, not x*n*x haze.
Phew! Somebody open a window. That Broder column is pretty ripe.
Good night, little sparrows. Sleep tight.
Suzanne @ 130
Bah, dey dupes, bah, dey dupes, bah, dey dupes….
Montaq, I post on WaPo on occasion, usually to give Hiatt an earful, I think I’ll jump on that bandwagon!!!!
Night TRex – you are a national treasure!
AHHH, the party was just warming up!!! Nite Y’all, sweet dreams and don’t let the bed bugs bite!!!!
Bah, dey dupes, bah, dey dupes, bah, dey dupes….
I was blonde as a child and sometimes it catches up with me. This is one of those moments. Zoom – right over my head
Suzanne @ 136
Lead-in to “Purple Haze,” phonetically rendered as commentary. Or something.
…and they get so discouraged they say “fuck it!” and fire one up.
(s’what I’d do ; )
Thanks, I was thinking that perhaps that was it but then I really don’t remember much of those years :)
TRex, you are already tucking your quilts up over your zigzag spine, but i must thank you for Dolly tonight. When we clone her, we’ll clone you, too. XO
GSD @ 124
Sorry, vinegar and water makes me think of the sop offered to Christ on the cross. Please, please don’t tell me you think these liars are being punished for OUR sins.
Okay, something weird is going on here… My posts are getting a time stamp of 12:05, and I’m posting them nearly twenty minutes later!
mutzali @ 141
Try being more contemporary in your evaluation. Vinegar and water also makes a nice douche….
…just for the record, women don’t douche anymore…vineger – eeew!
…well, off to gaze skyward, the night is still young!
spiderpaws @ 144
Who’s talking about women? :)
The subject was Republicans….
also useful for cleaning windows to allow the sunshine in
Suzanne @ 146
Say it, brothers and sisters… Amen!
Suzanne @ 146
Let the Sunshine in!!!!
spiderpaws @ 138
Pass the deuchy ‘pon the lefthand side…, I’ve got some killas here!!!!
Hey, where did everybody go?
thanks GSD @ 123
Mr. Broder’s head gonna be a throbbin in the mornin, like a jug of cheap Tequila. Longin for the days when the newspaper didn’t talk back to you.
:P
Gunga Djinn @ 151
Well, in the old days, letters to the editor were mostly from cranks. I have a feeling that a good part of the old school crowd at the WaPoo think the same of the bloggers, and electronic commentary.
But, Broder got owned on this one. :)
CTuttle @
150
I think the system may be hiccuping. I’ve had four posts go into 142, at 12:05, and I didn’t post until 12: 20 or so.
LJ/Aquaria @ 153
Maybe, I had to step up for about 15 mins!
LJ, there was the mac hiccup on the last thread that gave some commenters the grey box, a known hiccup. I’m not aware of any other problems tonight.
LJ/Aquaria @ 153
I’m watching Moyers now, recording it onto dvr, it is making my blood boil!!! My time zone is HST!
Ah yes, but in the old days, the Letters-to-the-Editor inbox was next to the circular file.
Now, the Editor’s chair is next to it.
;)
Later!
CTuttle @ 156
HST? Would that be Gonzo Journalism Standard Time? :)
Suzanne @ 155
None noted with my IBM clone!!!
montag @ 158
Hawaiian Standard Time!
Night all your fine firepups – a pleasure as always. Sweet dreams all.
CTuttle @ 160
HST=Hunter S. Thompson, too. :)
Yes, I know HST, though. Spent two years (one-half a lifetime, or so it seemed) at Schofield Barracks….
Montaq, Gonzo has left Vegas, God rest his soul, speaking of which, most of the 25th ID is currently deployed to Iraq!!! When were you in the Isles?
CTuttle @ 163
Circa 1968-70.
Ahhh, Nam days, did you go? I’m a twenty year vet, however, ‘85-’05!
Time for me to head out, folks. G’nite all.
Nite, Suzie!!
“Sigh No More, Ladies…”
(From “Much Ado about Nothing”)
Sigh no more, ladies, sigh nor more;
Men were deceivers ever;
One foot in sea and one on shore,
To one thing constant never;
Then sigh not so,
But let them go,
And be you blithe and bonny;
Converting all your sounds of woe
Into. Hey nonny, nonny.
Sing no more ditties, sing no mo,
Or dumps so dull and heavy;
The fraud of men was ever so,
Since summer first was leavy.
Then sigh not so,
But let them go,
And be you blithe and bonny,
Converting all your sounds of woe
Into. Hey, nonny, nonny.
CTuttle @ 165
Almost. When I arrived in Feb., `68, I was assigned to a unit which was supposed to train to go to Vietnam in Sept., `68 as a separate inf. brigade. No training, no decent food, nothing but brown-shoe Army BS for five months. Then, in July, the unit was disbanded (our unit strength, somehow, was 800 officers and 400 enlisted by that time), and they dumped us all in a barracks on the other side of Schofield, told us not to go anywhere from 8-5.
First set of orders for Vietnam came down after about a week. A spec4 in personnel I knew said, “kin ah see those?” Special orders. “You can’t ship personnel on those.” Idiot sergeant said, “why not?” He told him they have to be general orders to ship personnel. Sergeant goes away confused, but goes away.
A few days later, he’s back, with general orders. Same personnel clerk asks, “kin ah see those?” Sergeant is really suspicious, but he hands them over. “No leave on these. These are no good.” Sergeant asks why. “It’s law. Can’t ship personnel to a war zone without a minimum of seven days’ leave to get one’s affairs in order.” Sergeant leaves.
About a week later, the sergeant comes back, saying, “I got all you fuckers now–you’re going to `nam.” Had a set of orders for everyone, with seven days’ leave, everything in order. Three days later, he was back with cancellations and new orders. I had thirty days’ leave and was to report to Okinawa (which is where they sent everyone they didn’t know what to do with, in the hope it would bore them so badly they would volunteer for Vietnam).
Eighteen hours before I went home, those orders were cancelled, and they dumped me in Schofield garrison. It wasn’t until the mid-`80s, when PBS broadcast that seventeen-part series on Vietnam that I figured out that we were part of Westmoreland’s 200,000-odd man contingency force that Johnson cancelled when he gave up running in 1968.
Greetings, montag and anyone else here. I arrived at this thread late due to a bit of insomnia and lurked my way through it. Seeing things had pretty much wound down, I went over to look at the Broder brouhaha. I’m going back there to laugh myself to sleep. Great stuff.
neurophius @ 170
Yeah, if Broder reads any of it, it’s going to seem like people are sticking pins in their voodoo dolls of him….
I hear Broder likes to go and pontificate, er, lecture to college journalism classes. If he thinks he’s so great, I’d like to see him take that column with him and invite the students to tear it apart. It wouldn’t be pretty.
neurophius @ 172
Umm, given journalism school today (where journalmalism and PR courses of study are intertwined), they probably wouldn’t notice.
Hate to say it, but the Woodstein model is hopelessly compromised today, right from the start.
Sy Hersh doesn’t get too many invitations to journalism schools, but David Broder does.
So it goes.
montag @
169
You cherries still awake?
raven @ 174
Cherries? If you weren’t a regular, I’d take exception to that.
War, generally, is stupid. That war was particularly so. I don’t feel badly for not aiding in the killing of millions of civilians.
I was then a pacifist (embodying a belief that unnecessary war can be avoided) and still am.
Fuck cherries.
montag @
175
Ha, so you are awake! Just rattlin your cage. Course you know there is a collective guilt we all share. I just loved your story of the cluster fuck at Schofield. I know a guy here that was with the brigade of the 25th that didn’t go and he never got over it. Stayed in the guard for years.
raven @ 176
No, you weren’t rattling my cage. You were pissin’ on me, just like the man’s been pissin’ on you, and you think it’s rainin’.
[Modnote: this sentence deleted by moderator. Cool down, or take a break from writing for now.]
Good morning, pups. It’s Bobo and Herbert in the NYT today. Bobo’s nattering on about Obama’s foreign policy and Herbert says only lunatics would believe more guns in more homes is good for America’s children.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
Coffee and tea are ready, and toasted Thomas’ English muffins. Have a grand day.
Mornin.
No sleep for the weary here. I’ll take some Lady Grey tea for a chilly, gray morning. What fresh news will today bring?
egregious, as I revisit my former haunts and renew acquaintance, I’m struck by the joylessness of so many I meet. These are good people, but the life spark seems so buried. At first, I thought I was over-reacting to a return to the US, but my unease is growing, not dissipating. There seems to be a profound soul-sickness. Or weariness. The emotional impact of fear and lying on a whole society is perceptible.
montag @
177
Sorry pal, something got lost in translation. I wasn’t tryinng to give you a hard time.
Mornin’ all!
Raven—hope you don’t let montag get on your nerves. He was probably upset about something else imho.
Rice signals rejection of House subpoena
NZexpat—Good to hear your voice and your impressions. Please do continue giving us your view on the difference between when you left and now. We have observed it slowly, but you are like the visiting relative who sees how much the kids have grown.
NZ Expat, now in KS @ 181
Wow. Wow. Wow.
CSPAN caller just now is alluding to exaclty the same thing.
Suzanne @
155
That gray box is a Firefox for Mac issue.
egregious @ 184
Well, it I meant no harm but something triggered the dude. I normally don’t piss anyone off until 8am.
Blank Kludge @ 187
eeewwwwww… Bill Kristol is on
Ooooh, love Dolly! Thanks, T.
And love Meteorblades over at dailyKos this a.m. Check out his commentary on Moyers. Possibly the most important program PBS has done this millennium:
[my bold]
I’m not even sure it is a change. It seems more like a condition that one doesn’t recognize when one is in it.
This blog celebrates so much and that is a healthy antidote for the fear, the anger, and the weariness. Just to read that someone went to a Bach mass opens my memory to beauty. Even though my musical tastes tend to differ from many, just the attention to music here is powerful in its healing (just seeing E Teller post reminds me of the richness of his life in music and in community and that inspires me).
The encouragement given to one another here is also one way (and a vital way) to combat the darkness. So, the community I feel here offsets the weirdness I feel out in the town. And to be fair, it is the end of the semester in a college town.
twolf1 @ 190
Yes. How dare he appropriate my initials?!!
Plus, Broderalla is like outta the closet now ain’t he, after so much denying he’s a Bushie/cheerleader?
And his lede alludes to my cousin, or something:
H
Plus, the WaPo gives Joey2Face aka Jozo aka Sen Chair Homeland Sec aka CT’s junior member – more inches to spew fear and loathing.
Lotta balls a few hrs after Moyers (I didn’t see it).
raven @ 182
getting an early start, Raven?
mornin’ all.
egregious @ 184
No. I’m not upset about something else.
From Broder’s comments section at the Poost today:
Broder, you dessicated, flaky old prune, how dare you presume to speak for Democrats? Harrys more than right and we have his back, so STFU.
By sales | Apr 26, 2007 7:43:32 AM
-GSD
Acckk
It’s Bill Kristol! He’s talking pretty fast, he’s got a lot of ground to cover. Is he getting time and a half for this special assignment? or is he a desperate volunteer?
and man hasn’t he aged over the course of this war? That really stood out in last night’s Moyer’s
Montag—I’m sorry if I misunderstood.
NZ Expat, now in KS @
181
America is very, very sick.
-GSD
egregious @ 199
Yes, you misunderstood. It’s not your fault.
GSD @ 200
but we’re working on a cure!
Elliott @ 202
Subpoenacillin.
twolf1 @ 203
YES! I like that, Subpoeanacillan!
excellent
I don’t expect an apology from Raven. I do expect the mods to stay the fuck away from something they do not understand.
It was 5am and I read your story about Schofield. I had a humorous bent ot it and I said cherry in that light. How do you know what I knew when I went in on my 17th birthday in 1966? I didn’t know diddly shit about anything. When I came home I did everything in my power to stop the war and keep others from going. I went to Vietnam after 13 months in Korea because I couldn’t put up with the “brown shoe” Army at Ft Lewis. You can try to bully me but it won’t work.
GSD @ 197
Heres a Washington political riddle where you fill in the blanks: As Alberto Gonzales is to the Republicans, Dave Broder is to the Washington Post.
By ifthethunderdontgetya | Apr 26, 2007 7:55:09 AM | Request Removal
P.S. Holy Joe Liarman is at it again, too.
Dubya at his finest…
NZ Expat, now in KS @ 181
NZExPat,
Yes, that and a sort of desperate fragility. I am in Canada and the ‘American mood’ is very apparent when I visit. My father was a journalist for over 50 years. He is now retired to golf, travelling with his ladyfriend, dinner dances and charity work. He refuses to discuss the war or politics in any form. WHen I asked him how he could ignore what is happening, he told me that if he paid attention to it he’d go crazy. That was the last words we have had on that topic. A whole lot of unhappy people there, whistling in the dark.
twolf1 @ 203
LOL!
Did anyone else catch Timmeh Pumpkinhead’s comment
on Moyers’ special last night?
“I wish my phone had rung.”
Here’s a thought, put down the donuts and cocktail weenies, wipe your hands and make some calls yourself!
Exhibit A for what’s wrong with beltway media.
Kristol is confronted by a fdl like caller!
and as she asks her very direct question with references to Moyer’s, he acts like he’s studiously writing down her points
New thread from Christy.
Truth Hurts
Eighteen hours before I went home, those orders were cancelled, and they dumped me in Schofield garrison. It wasn’t until the mid-`80s, when PBS broadcast that seventeen-part series on Vietnam that I figured out that we were part of Westmoreland’s 200,000-odd man contingency force that Johnson cancelled when he gave up running in 1968.
I am acrimonious that you insult me because I didn’t find a way to kill people who did not harm me in any way.
So, you were going to go when ordered but you didn’t “find a way to”? Then you jump my ass
“for going to kill people that didn’t do a fuckin’ thing to you, and I knew, before I ever enlisted, that they didn’t do anything to us.”
New thread…
Ah, get off work, come home, fire up the Lake…and get me some Dolly!
Thank you, Trex!
Only time I’ve seen her was at Hardly Strictly Bluegrass in ‘05…I usually can’t stand performers who talk a lot between songs but Dolly can say anything she pleases and I’ll eat it with a spoon…
raven @ 205
I’m not bullying. You know what “cherry” means in this context. Goddammit, man, I know what you mean, even if others don’t. You aren’t fooling me. Your mouth was moving a lot faster than your brain. Might as well admit it.
Apologize for that or forever convince me you’re a war whore.
You want to defend the indefensible. In that, you’re like the Bushies. Who’s side are you on?
I killed no one. I came from a military family, and yet, I knew that the war was wrong. I did whatever I could do not to kill anyone. Two days before my enlistment, I had an address in my pocket for people who could get me to Canada, if I decided to do that.
I did not avail myself of that opportunity. Had I done so, I would have been disowned by my family. I gave myself to the military, but,I did the best I could not to hurt anyone.
“Cherry?”
That’s insulting, and you know it.
Christy’s upstairs with coffee and Moyers and some good news re Jane.
Cease fire. Please.
– D. H. Lawrence
See you upstairs, FirePups.
STTP in Ohio @ 210
Exactly! That was soo revealing! One of many notable moments last night
and speaking of cocktail weenies, Hitchens actually served them at his Washington Correspondents Dinner after-party:
Hitchen’s gala party
good. new thread. it’s getting hot in here.
montag @ 216
I’ll start with aplogizing. I know no one else gives a shit about this but I really don’t care what I convince you of. I faced exactly what you did. I knew I couldn;t hack 116 months of bullshit at Lewis so it was the Nam or Canada. I couldn’t do Canada because of my family so I swindled my way into a unit that was shipping. I have a lot of vets friends and we tease each other all the time with “lifer”, “cherry”, “remf”, “leg”, “jarhead”, “dogface” and a hundred other bullshit expressions that outsiders don’t get. So, I apologize for hitting a nerve. I know what the context was and if I wanted to insult you I’d be a lot fucking more direct than that.
And Rayne I apologize to you for dragging you into this.
Thank you, raven. Save your fire for the enemy, we have a long ways to go and it’s a target-rich environment.
raven @ 221
That’s enough. Thanks.
montag @ 224
Back at ya bro.
montag @ 224
hey montag, email me at markann at hotmail dot com if you want to, I want to clear something up.
Doesn’t look like too many have watched the video upstairs. Awesome. I love the spare Southern melodies and things like the shape-note hymns. And to think I once shrugged her off as a bimbo. My profound apologies to you, Dolly.