(I realize that the juxtaposition of Bach's Air On A G String and the name Karl Rove seem like an odd combination. But this video was sent to me by a reader who plays with this group, and I thought it was a fantastic combination of a lovely Bach piece and the universe around us. Kind of makes you feel insignificant, doesn't it?)
I sit here this morning watching Rep. Waxman's Government Oversight committee haggle over subpoenas and oversight of the use of backdoor e-mail addresses through the RNC and otherwise by folks in Karl Rove's WH political office. And I'm awaiting news on whether Monica Goodling will or will not be given immunity and subpoenaed to testify with regard to her involvement as a bridge between the DoJ and the WH political operatives. Quite a bit of buzz in the air regarding the OSC investigation of Karl Rove's political shop in the WH -- some skeptical, some hopeful, some puzzled. Scarecrow had a fantastic background piece on it this morning, and Eli hit this last night as well, nailing the essential question of whitewash or reality. I've been pulling out all the research that I can find on Scott J. Bloch, and being generous in describing it, it is decidedly mixed and, in some places, troubling.
But I keep coming back to this question in my mind, and it is something that has to have occurred to Karl Rove and his personal political minions as well: at what point does Rove's utility as chief political "strategist" (read: expert on screwing political opponents, close to and over the ethics line, on any given day) get outpaced by his even-higher-profile utility to others in the GOP as the chief target of a corruption probe which would then be held up as an example of the GOP's willingness to police their own?
I don't ask this as a theoretical construct, but as a practical question. The headlines of late have been grim on the Republican corruption and lawbreaking front: Abramoff, DeLay, Ney, Safavian, Libby, Cunningham, Doolittle, Wilkes, Lewis...it just goes on and on. Rove's loyalty has been and continues to be, first and foremost, to pushing forward "his" candidates, whatever the cost to anyone else in the party -- because Rove's reputation is built on his candidates being the top dogs. And more than anything, he wants to win -- whatever it takes to get there. But you do not do this without having it come at the expense of others, and that adds up to a whole lot of resentment building up over the years as you wield your power for your own good. Rove doesn't just do that with Democratic opponents, he has also built quite a reputation for doing it with Republicans that he saw as weak or disobedient.
Everything that I have been able to ascertain about Mr. Bloch, the head of the OSC, is that he is a Republican party man in terms of philosophy and actions consistent therewith -- and that there are any number of questions about prior decisions in pushing investigations forward or not (H/T to Sam Graham-Felsen at alternet), burying information or not (H/T Michael Froomkin), using his position to advance certain issues or not (H/T Daniel Schulman at Mother Jones -- don't miss the article illustration.) -- all of this points to serving a particular agenda.
But is that Karl's agenda or his own? It seems to me that an ambitious man who reads the GOP tea leaves and realizes that the wind is no longer filling the "loyal Bushies" flaccid sails on the ship of state might begin to question just which way his reputation might better be made: protecting Karl Rove's behind or as the savior of the modern Republican party who made an example of a formerly all-powerful political smarm merchant to return the outward (if not true inward) appearance of integrity.
In other words, the man who returned an issue of electability to the party on the back of Karl Rove, whose strategies are not working out so well at the moment and whose day in the sun appears to be setting rapidly -- and whose build-up of resentful chits among the Beltway establishment has grown louder and louder in terms of people being willing to now speak up about the once great and powerful Rove.
Witness this from David Ignatius:
If you want to hear despair in Washington these days, talk to Republicans. The Democrats are exulting in their newfound political power and are eager to profit from Bush's difficulties. But Republicans voice the bitterness and frustration of people chained to the hull of a sinking ship.I spoke with a half-dozen prominent GOP operatives this past week, most of them high-level officials in the Reagan and Bush I and Bush II administrations, and I heard the same devastating critique: This White House is isolated and ineffective; the country has stopped listening to President Bush, just as it once tuned out the hapless Jimmy Carter; the president's misplaced sense of personal loyalty is hurting his party and the nation.
"This is the most incompetent White House I've seen since I came to Washington," said one GOP senator. "The White House legislative liaison team is incompetent, pitiful, embarrassing. My colleagues can't even tell you who the White House Senate liaison is. There is rank incompetence throughout the government. It's the weakest Cabinet I've seen." And remember, this is a Republican talking.
A prominent conservative complains: "With this White House, there is loyalty not to an idea, but to a person. When Republicans talked about someone in the Reagan administration being 'loyal,' they didn't mean to Ronald Reagan but to the conservative movement." Bush's stubborn defense of Gonzales offends these Republicans, who see the president defiantly clinging to an official who has lost public confidence, just as he did for too long with former defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld....
The current White House chief of staff, Josh Bolten, needs to mount a similar salvage mission, argue several prominent Republicans. They question whether he's politically adept enough. But most of all, they question whether Bolten or anyone else can break through Bush's tight, tough shell and tell him the truth. What's starting to crack isn't the obdurate Bush, but the country.
The reason that Bolten cannot launch the desperately needed rescue scrubbing of the White House is twofold: Karl Rove and Dick Cheney. The party cannot remove Dick Cheney -- but Rove? That is another question entirely. I am not certain that they have the nerve to do it -- not by a longshot -- but I have begun to hear rumbles, and people that I know in Washington have begun to hear them, too. The blame for all of this failure has to rest somewhere.
But then again -- the longer you stall investigations by Congress into real wrongdoing, and the more excuse folks in the Administration have to say "I cannot comment due to an ongoing OSC investigation.", the more time you buy to run out the clock until George Bush is out of office. And there may be value in banking on people being so relieved to be rid of him at that point that they don't care to push investigations forward any longer. But it is a huge gamble -- the smarmy taint of Bush and Cheney and Rove has rubbed off on the entire Republican party, and how long those outside the inner circle will stand for that is a looming question at the moment.
These people have invested their public reputations in George W. Bush, so while they may distance themselves from him in small ways, there is not the fortitude for a wholesale repudiation just yet in a public way. Dick Cheney still wields a lot of power, publicly and behind the scenes, and he has placed tentacles everywhere in the Beltway to ensure that he gets the information that he needs on everyone when he needs it.
Karl Rove was similarly situated, but the cracks in his political apparatus have begun to show. Kyle Sampson is talking to Congress to save his own behind. Many of the most loyal political minions have started looking beyond their government salaries to more lucrative jobs in the private sector -- which are hard to come by with the spectre of a federal investigation looming overhead -- and so they have also begun to talk, quietly and in most cases anonymously, but in a White House where keeping your mouth shut was a badge of necessity for keeping your job, it is no longer as much of a threat with less than two years to go and a steadily ticking clock.
Washington in the Bush era has resembled nothing so much as a very tangled web, interwoven with threads of loyalty and personal enrichment and cronyism to a degree that even the most hardened politicos did not think possible. It has been stunning to watch, actually, and even more stunning to think that the "loyal Bushies" have been able to get away with it for this long. But this self-dealing regime rested on the foundation of a complicit, rubber stamping Republican Congress. The 2006 election changed that dynamic, and the fingerpointing game in Washington is a old and very intricate one -- and one at which a number of the long-term Washington hands are expert.
I keep asking myself to which camp Bloch will ultimately be loyal: the Rovian loyalty bunch, the George Bush personality cult, the Republican party reputation is bigger than any one person group, or to his own potential reputation as a "giant slayer" and party loyalist who saved them all from the fetid stench of corruption before the next election cycle. The interesting tidbit, as Scarecrow pointed out this morning, is that fired USAtty and Republican David Iglesias may have been the initiator of this Hatch Act investigation by the OSC. (ThinkProgress has some transcripts of this discussion on Hardball.) It will be interesting, indeed, to see how this plays out.
As for Rove, is he tightening his hold on the strings of the complex web he has woven over the last six years, drawing some threads more tightly to him than others to strengthen its bonds overall? Or is he at long last losing that grip on the overall weave, and scrambling to keep its integrity holding at the center while threads snap off at the sides? And, if so, how long will it be in that scenario until he is left dangling by a string?
If we have learned nothing the last few years, it ought to have been to never underestimate Rove's ability to throw someone else under the bus to save his own skin. But, with an inner circle growing ever smaller by the day -- how many folks are left?
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Christy!
Sweet Jane!!!!!
Well, darn it — am having trouble with the video.
Christy!!
Nolo’s got the goodies for us regarding immunity and a subpoena for Monica Goodling:
nolo @ 258
Christy Hardin Smith @ 3
are you on the committee website? working fine here.
Thanks for this, Christy. I, too, have been watching Waxman this morning as he jousts with absurd Repub parliamentary whining. Too bad more folks can’t witness the Republicans demonstrate their party-above-country mantra in action.
It’s all the same thing. The Dems are trying a hurry-up offense, and the Rs, under Rove’s pure-evil gamesmanship, are trying to run out the clock.
To abuse the football analogy a little more, we have to act like a good home crowd: make a lot of noise to interfere with their play calling.
It’s been working, and it looks like we’ve got momentum, both in terms of scandals dropping and in public opinion.
And FDL is the best-ever pep squad! Gooooo, team! (With a little end-zone dance of my own for the first!)
btw, mornin’ Redd. will be here for a few more minutes. fascinating stuff, oversight.
To add to the mix, Steven D over at BooMan has a piece up about the shared servers of the RNC & the Ohio State 2004 elections. I’m beginning to think that as busy as Rove has been, maybe all 5 million of those emails were his!
boomantribune
You want a glimpse of Scott Bloch? Check out this link at Mother Jones: motherjones link
Okay gang — I have the video link fixed at the top of the post. If you refresh your whole screen, you’ll be able to see the correct video ready to play.
Christy: ” It seems to me that an ambitious man who reads the GOP tea leaves and realizes that the wind is no longer filling the “loyal Bushies” flaccid sails on the ship of state might begin to question just which way his reputation might better be made: protecting Karl Rove’s behind or as the savior of the modern Republican party who made an example of a formerly all-powerful political smarm merchant to return the outward (if not true inward) appearance of integrity.”
This goes along with Perris’s comments in Scarecrow’s post. You would think the GOP would want to save itself by showing its independence from the neocons. Unfortunately, all the evidence of the past 6 years points to them desperately hoping to avoid a showdown with Rove.
I am of the belief that most (GOP’ers working in our govt) believe it will hit their party harder to actually confront the demons within their party so are hoping they will simply melt away in 2 years and be forgotten. I don’t see a savior in their party with the cojones to do it. They will bluster and obfuscate for 2 more years, get their asses handed to them in 08, then regroup imo.
Davis: In the draft of the subpoena they ask for the total # of emails to or from an official email account, it is already preserved and beyond our perview.
northpith at 10 — Yes, it’s a great article. I already linked it above in the piece — it has a great illustration, too. *g*
“It seems to me that an ambitious man who reads the GOP tea leaves and realizes that the wind is no longer filling the “loyal Bushies” flaccid sails on the ship of state might begin to question just which way his reputation might better be made: protecting Karl Rove’s behind or as the savior of the modern Republican party who made an example of a formerly all-powerful political smarm merchant to return the outward (if not true inward) appearance of integrity.”
ah well, a lad can dream.
Davis is a dope. The records HAVENT BEEN PRESERVED! That’s why Henry wants to subpoena the RNC emails.
Shays - there are so many huge issues we should debate: Iraq for example. I hope that sometime soon we can get back to regular order. We’re getting off track
Getting Rove into court is absolutely imperative.
Shays has the nerve to raise “our troops” like we should be paying attention to the war and not this issue.
Helen @ 17
Shays is a concern troll and nothing more.
Henry: Oh Tom they’re preserved? The reason we’re here is that we don’t know if they are preserved. We do know that 5,000,000 are missing at this point.
Davis: Under the law they are in the system. There is no ebidence that this has been circumvented.
It’s a nice piece, Christy, but isn’t there more at stake here than simple politics? Isn’t Rove really defending himself against having to defend himself in a criminal trial? With that much at stake, and the law having been broken before, Rove has much more political power than you’re saying. Look at Alberto Gonzalez who has exactly as much political power as George Bush chooses to give him. And he’s not going anywhere.
Christy, as you say, there is at least some chance that Bloch and others will see the need to salvage whatever reputation they can. They are going to need jobs in a couple of years, and “toadying syncophant” doesn’t look that good on a resume - unless you’re lining up for wingnut welfare!
jeebus. Davis just doesn’t listen. Henry pointed out that the 5 million emails werent preserved! They arent Presidential records. They arent even govt. records. They belong to the RNC.
…And I was having a bad morning until I read this. I’m reminded of Gall’s Law as I watch this unfold. When a complex system fails, it fails utterly and irreversably. I think this is what we are seeing take place, the more they try to fix it, the more it unravels.
Excellent Rahm Emanual speech at Brookings today. TPM cafe has a copy here.
tpmcafe.com link
WBetween Christy and Rahm, this afternoon may not turn out to be so bad after all.
The big difference in loyalty to BushCo Industries during the next two years probably has to do with rank. Loyal minions at the senior level can look forward to think tank appointments, law firm offers, and so forth. Mid-level minions, OTOH, can look forward to appointments with US attorneys, plea bargain offers, and bail hearings.
The midlevel minions are getting very nervous. I’m willing to bet that they’ve been watching the Waxman, Leahy, and Conyers hearings quite closely, and they can’t be terribly comforted by what they are seeing.
Christy,
Gotta admit the previous video was a bit on point as well. Who but KKKarl could epitomize “White and Nerdy?”
Henry: I’m not sure they’re all preserved.
Davis: PRA
Henry: Point of order please.
Mica: I was ruled against, but I continue to insist on appealing the ruling of the chair.
Waxman doesn’t need this…
Just do it!
The Repugs are flaming arsholes…
Mica droning on and on about Clinton.
ayahtollah of rockandrolla @ 25
huh?
I love you Henry.
Bay State Librul @ 29
No, let ‘em ramble on with their B*llSh*t. It shows them as the idiot a**es they are.
what MayDaze @ 23
what is truly needed is that they are ambitious folk who can see how to use this to their advantage in a postbush/rove g.o.p.
ambitious folk are not generally in short supply in d.c. — which offers us this false hope. and sometimes, a false hope is better than no hope at all..
Quit playing nice…
Time is of the essence…
PLeeeeeze give Monica immunity…
Mica: This is pointed in a political partisan way if the DNC is not also subpoenaed.
henry: If you have evidence of wrong-doing in Congress you should report it to the ethics comm.
Mica: I have no hard evidence; it’s just a guess
Mica: CLINTON did it too
dakine at 27 — I have to say, that “White and Nerdy” video cracks me up. But I was in more of a Bach mood this morning and thought everyone would appreciate a listen — especially given that one of our readers is playing in the group. :)
i always say — “if ain’t baroque
[the lovely bach, above], don’t fix it!”
jaw-slacking images of our place
in the grand[er] scheme, as well. . .
now, back to the micro-cosmic. . .
. . .i’ll have a MASH-UP youtube video
of this two-ring circus — waxman’s,
and conyers’ meetings of this morning,
at my site, later this afternoon. . .
it will likely be frenetic — back-and-
forth — between the two hearing
windows, on my lap-top. . .
now, any suggestions for a soundtrack?
“shock the monkey“?
do tell.
Bay State Librul @ 35
Conyers already did. This is a hearing about subpoenas to get RNC emails and Condi Rice testimony re: Niger docs.
Waxman hearing, cont’d
Goopers using favorite retort against attempts at Justice - “subpoena too broad, a fishing expedition.”
Waxman shoots down Mica’s inference that ‘wrongdoing’ has occured, tells him to bring observations of criminal misconduct up to the Congress (ie - not here, not now.)
Chair rules on point of order (DNC e-mail amendment): Not Germaine (appeal to be voted on after voting on subpoena.)
I guess Rosie is leaving the view due to contract reasons. You know the shitbag wingnuts are gonna say that their actions caused her to leave and there gonna be in major gloat mode. GRRR!
And major ups to Jane and Christy for getting Big John!
Christy (and Jane),
Thanks for prodding Kerry on oversight on the previous thread. I really hope he was serious, because there’s lots to clean up in the politicization of the govt’s scientific community.
Henry: chair will rule on point of order. Parlimentarian says tha the amendment is not germain.
Appeal of the rule.
Davis: This is within the purview. The problem is the notice we got.
Henry: If you want to know what happened at the DNC - between 1997 and 2001 this committe issued a boatload of info requests to the DNC - we got everything
Ahhh, Bach!
rat bastahd @ 12
Allus be somebody wantin’ to be boss man. It’s like tomcats and warlords — young ones challenge the old ones when they start getting weak. Eventually one of the young ones wins, and rules the turf until he starts getting creaky and one of his sons trashes his ass. We’d better be ready with a strong dose of democracy or we will see a repeat or The Bush/Rove Regime, but I would expect more force and less finesse.
Please, please, Nancy and Harry.
1.) Fix the voting, we have three Friedmans to do that or we will be (permanently* screwed,
2.) Keep the Internet free. That “Save the Children from Porn” malarky will take over our tubes.
3.) Stop the War.
So what’s the news, did the timetable come out?
And Henry pulls the SMACK-DOWN on the but but but Clinton and the DNC did it! Y-E-S!
Waxman is spanking the Republicans.
TiredFed @ 39
Thanks, Makes my day. I am elated
I could have done without that so soon after waking up.
Shorter Waxman—Well, you guys asked for every scrap of paper from the DNC back to their kindergarten art papers.
Reads the details of Republican demands for documents. Ugly.
Whoever said Henry was letting them bitch and moan just to make ‘em look silly later totally called it.
I can feel that smack all the way here in MN.
Henry citing all the stuff they got from Clinton. Lots of it bullshit requests. ANd they answered anyway. After all that was received there was no evidence that there was any wrongdoing by the DNC or Clinton WH. So if ya want the info - we have it. feel free to look at it again.
Dan Burton, a Brownshirt from Indiana, wants to say something.
Rove has the ‘goods’ and Bush knows it. And Bush is also very aware that his henchman is ruthless, which makes Bush afraid of the possible results of throwing Karl from the train. I think it’s called tacit, implied, or covert blackmail.
Bluetoe @ 53
Hey, my Congressman! (hanging head in shame)
Burton: Over 100 people took fifth or fled country? WTF is he Talkin’ about? Is he pullin’ this shit straight from his imaginaiton? JEEBUS!
Peterr @ 26
The big difference in loyalty to BushCo Industries during the next two years probably has to do with rank. Loyal minions at the senior level can look forward to think tank appointments, law firm offers, and so forth. Mid-level minions, OTOH, can look forward to appointments with US attorneys, plea bargain offers, and bail hearings.
speaking of which, anybody else think, after his performance in the hearings last week, that gonzales is even of minimal use by the corporations or consulting groups he might otherwise assume will employ him? because he really seemed to me to become the radioactive man.
Communists?! WTF?
Burton: Our subpeonas were necessary - not so much yours.
Helen @ 17
The republic party should have been worrying about Iraq years ago when they were in charge. The absurdity of everything they do and say is really showing how off the hook and unhinged they have become.
I have a nagging suspicion that the OSC investigation is just a preemptive strike against any future calls for tighter investigations on Hatch Act violations, before Congress decides to do their own investigation.
Burton: then-ranking member Waxman was trying to protect “the DemoCRAT party.”
Imbecile.
Waxman detailing RNCs non-compliance with records requests (it’s a lot.)
DNC, otoh, has provided over 600,000 docs - everything that was asked for without objection by the other side. Shorter Waxman: You bozos already have the DNC e-mails!
Burton (R) (former chairman under R majority) claiming he had to unilaterally issue over a 1,000 subpoenas without discussion because people were fleeing the Country to avoid testifying.
This is back-dating CYA by Burton - not germaine to the current issue on the table.
Burton is talking about the Clinton Administration. How pathetic are these a..holes? Traitors all.
[edited by mod]
Burton is SUCH an arrogant asshole!
Twisted Martini @ 44
is that a M*A*S*H reference?
Burton: Marc rich giving money to WH? Drug dealer giving money to Clinton’s brother. WTF??
dmg @ 66
Yes!
Henry: Second matter: Subpoena to RNC re: Power Point presentation and other similar briefings
CHS:
If we have learned nothing the last few years, it ought to have been to never underestimate Rove’s ability to throw someone else under the bus to save his own skin. But, with an inner circle growing ever smaller by the day — how many folks are left?
Hanging by a String Theory:
Every time I see someone thrown under the bus, it reminds me of the Black Hole feeding on the bright Quasar encircling it. One by one, stars fall into a Spinning Black Hole. Recall that Black Holes are collapsed stars….
In an attempt at Unified Theory, Hawking has theorized that Black Holes may eventually evaporate, emitting Hawking Radiation in the process. Calls to mind the law of diminishing returns…
On a metaphysical level, for the time being (until my understanding evolves yet again) I make the following analogy:
Black Hole:Hawking Radiation::Bushies:Snark
Shorter MetaPhysics:
Daily Show, Colbert, FDL; all Educative, all with the transformative power of Humor.
Occam’s Razor:
Laughter is the best medicine.
yers in galactic nerdiness
(((FDL)))
TS
My own post at 63
correction - ‘you already have the DNC e-mails.’
[Fixed by mod. No extra charge.]
waxman — r.n.c. e-mail
subpoena motion finally made.
Waxman - describing the Doan briefing
Bay State Librul @ 29
He’s like a cat toying with a mouse. I say let him have his moment in the sun. He’s earned it!
WRT Iglesias. I believe someone downthread mentioned that he did not turn in the phone calls from Dominici and Wilson right away.
It is not really an excuse, and perhaps he also had a sense that it would do no good to turn them in, but I think it was not until after he was fired that he really came to grips with the idea that his FRIENDS (D and W) were in fact trying to pressure him, that they had turned on him, and his loyalty to them (particularly Pete) was misplaced.
Pete had given him the job, he considered that first. It was later that all the pieces began to fall together for him.
Another aspect of this is that Alan Weh, the head of the NM Republican party, admitted proudly, in print, that he called Rove and/or saw him at a lunch meeting and demanded that Iglesias be fired.
These people feel so fully entitled. I think this is what has really gotton to Iglesias, who by all accounts, is a straight shooter. Maybe an actual Christian.
That is why he is going after it. Because all of the political tampering goes against everything he believes about the justice system.
There are a lot of people in the legal practice to believe in justice. And some of them are also Republicans, or were.
It’s really quite simple. The Republican Party took a page from history on how the NSDAP undermined the governmental institutions of the Weimar Republic to serve their Party and establish a dictatorship. The Republicans have tried the same strategy in the U.S.. They are traitors and deserve to be seen as such.
Waxman: Karl Rove has been giving similar presentation during the entire 6 years
just popping in and out, I don’t know if anyone saw this yet, from think progress
I think Monica Goodling is holding the keys to the kingdom. I think if they get her to testify under oath with a transcript, and have her describe the process between the information flow between the White House counsel, White House and the Justice Department, I believe the picture becomes a lot clearer.
in my humble opinion she’s gonna be up the dirty creak cuz she ain’t gonna talk anyway
man oh man the lake is gonna get me fired for sure, I have a jones and I can’t get enough cowbell at the lake
Oklahoma kiddo @
18
I agree, but there has to be some way to ensure he will tell the truth. I don’t believe just a subpoena will do it. They have no respect for the rule of law.
Pigman does need to plant his butt in court. Under oath. With cameras. But I don’t know how you make him tell the truth. When liars lie constantly - truth loses meaning. Their lies become their truth.
dakine01 @ 68
heh heh. i’ve still got it.
Question about Monica Goodling immunity: Does the Judiciary Committee know what her testimony will be and what they will be getting in exchange for immunity? Thanks!
Waxman moving on to the second issue:
Re: Rove powerpoint presentation to GSA.
Hatch Act violations (inappropriate political influence inside the gov) seem to have been going on for the last six years by J Scott Jennings using RNC e-mails.
WH has offered to compromise by using ’search terms.’ No dice.
This a narrow subpoena, I urge approval.
Discussion.
perris @ 78
Absolutely. She’s seems to be a “purist”, and will firewall to the end.
Issa, another goosestepper.
I imagine Karl is feeling the pressure these days - not just because he is taking my tax $$ to work for the GOP, but because there’s a very real chance he’ll soon be be blamed for the collapse of the modern Republican Party.
Perhaps that’s why he felt threatened by a 120 lb woman at the WH Correspondents dinner…
I really hate to see foul, arrogant hatchet wielders like Monica Goodling escape justice, although I understand the need to get the big fish. I guess we just have to hope for karma to get her. I’m hoping if she turns into a rat fink to save her hide she’s not going to have the lucrative GOP welfare opportunities she was hoping for.
Provacative Piece.
I read the Ignatius op/ed this morning and found it interesting.
We are reaching the point in this administration where interests are rapidly diverging. The most obvious fork in the road is between gooper congressional members and the White House. The President is hoping that history will remember him more kindly than he deserves- that means that he will try to burnish is “Truman” style image of “doin what’s right no matter what the climate” and keep throwin the dice in Ira
Issa Asshole is proposing an amendment on the limiting to language on RNC for ppt presentation to GSA. Trying to limit to only GSA?
…and wow - NPR played a clip of McCain on the Daily Show - when Stewart told him that the audience was on America’s side because they were patriots. Yowza!
peony @ 81
I have to believe that her attorneys have had to offer a “taste” in the old ways of putting it to get her off the hook.
Monica Goodling is a true believer and will protect her Leader and Party. The Christainists, not unlike the Jihadists, feel that lying is perfectly acceptable if it helps their cause.
Goodling just given immunity???????? Is that confirmed? Wow….BIG news item if true.
Ms. Smith….an article on this, perhaps?
Ghostman
Bluetoe @ 64
you know what sucks? going to a family dinner earlier this month and hearing these words from my brother: “9/11 wasn’t Bush’s fault! 9/11 was CLINTON’S fault!”
and what’s worse, his son, now in his early 20’s chime in triumphantly, “and there hasn’t been a terrorist attack in the states SINCE 9/11!”
when i refused to get into a debate about these statements with them, my brother called me “arrogant.”
help me, spock.
I think it goes like this: you “investigate” and get a little something to prosecute on, something for which a slap on the wrist would be appropriatee, and in the process, you are able to carefully cover-up and move effectively disappear all the really dirty and corrupt stuff the investigation would unearth.
Davis: we need a narrow subpoena - this is a fishing expodition.
Waxman: what do you want limited
Davis: “GSA initials;” This is something that a computer can search on and will give all docs with GSA in it. Can’t send that to GSA.
I can see Issa trying to talk himself out of crap his whole life
dmg @ 93
Well, there was an anthrax attack.
Issa wanting to do things on the cheap to save RNC money! Not that they weren’t trying to bankrupt DNC or anything.
Zee @ 79
Per “Bush’s Brain” (Moore & Slater), Rover has a history of getting his facts wrong under oath. It’s prolly that old problem of keeping all your stories straight when you ain’t tellin’ the truth.
It’s hard to fathom the lengths they’d go to to keep him off the oath-bound hotseat.
However — fantasizing here — exactly who would want leading the inquiry when he is in that spot? Waxman, who’s earned it? Whitehouse, cuz he’s so good? Kerry, doing a Fox on him, because karma’s a bitch? Hmmmm….
I want to believe that the OSC investigation will be on the up and up but I’ve got more than a motherlode of suspician that it won’t be. First anyone in this administration, obsure office or not, who has risen to the level high enough to conduct it is more likely than not of being a political hack. Aside from Fitz have we seen anybody in this play with character?
Gooper amendment: limit subpoena to narrower discovery language to avoid overly burdensome requests. Give us 90 days to produce.
Davis (R) - We can’t afford ($$$) to comply with this subpoena. You’re driving us into debt.
Waxman says this point is germane to consider.
Discussion
On the point of Iglesias, he himself said he was going to be the good party man and go quietly into the night until they besmirched him by saying he was fired for incompetence. That’s when he decided to go public. As far as I’m concerned nobody in the GOP has any honor, they all lack an ethical compass. For modern Republicans it’s always party before everything else.
dmg @ 66
“That’s highly significant!”
I’m thinking Issa wants to contain the subpoena to JUST GSA, rather than investigating it in other agencies. Shoot it down Van Hollen, SHOOT IT DOWN!
Guys and Gals: I’ve got a meeting. If it’s still going on when I’m done, I’ll pick up again.
dmg @ 93
Your brother, sad to say, would have been a sucker for the NSDAP in Germany. Let’s face it, in America there are many who when you scratch the surface are what make the rise of fascism possible.
Mutant Poodle @ 97
Well, there was an anthrax attack.
and the administration’s been all over solving that one
dmg @ 66
Ding Ding Ding! Tell ‘em what they’ve won!