[FDL is pleased to welcome Tom Matzzie of MoveOn.org to chat with us about the work that MoveOn.org is doing with Americans United For Change to force elected officials to listen to the will of the majority of their constituents who want out of Iraq -- or go on record as supporting George Bush over the people who sent them to Washington. This is a powerful political message, and we are thrilled to be able to chat with Tom about it today. As always with guests of FDL, please stay on topic and be polite -- any off-topic discussion should be taken to the prior thread. Welcome, Tom! -- CHS]
Politics is a lot of theater and posturing and public relations mastery. At least, that is what the spinmeisters within the Beltway would like us to think, because it allows their clients to have an "everybody does it" or a "that's just politics" attitude and excuse about every problem that we face in America today…and then they never have to face up to the challenges and the hard work required to solve those problems.
The honest truth is that these political decisions impact all of us. And the lack of decisions and lack of critical thinking, or taking the "rubber stamp" road as Republicans have done the last six years and counting as "yes" votes for any plan the Bush Administration has put forth, no matter how idiotic or destined for failure it may have been — that is exactly how we have gotten into the abysmal mess that we are in today in America.
Thankfully, the folks at MoveOn.org and Americans United For Change have been asking much needed questions about elected officials whose actions in propping up the failing Bush Administration policies in Iraq are directly contradictory of the wishes of the majority of voters who put them in office. And, if I may say so, it is well past time that we started asking these critical questions rather than just shrugging and saying, "Well, that's politics."
The American public, our troops and their families deserve a lot better than what theyhave been getting. And we want to help our elected representatives understand just that.
America's reputation as an honest broker in foreign policy matters has been decimated by the poor choices that the Bush Administration has made. And those failures have been enabled for far too long by rubber stamping Republicans in Congress who have continued to try and have it both ways: criticizing the failures in Iraq when they are back home at public meetings while voting each and every time to allow the Bush Administration to keep on failing without any consequences for their poor decisionmaking. Those consequences are costly — in lives and in tax dollars. Here's an estimate of what could have been done with West Virginia's share of the money (That is my home state — you can check the numbers for your state here. H/T to C&L for the link to this.):
364,579 People with Health Care or
25,336 Elementary School Teachers or
187,624 Head Start Places for Children or
530,327 Children with Health Care or
17,621 Affordable Housing Units or
111 New Elementary Schools or
299,057 Scholarships for University Students or
25,336 Music and Arts Teachers or
37,980 Public Safety Officers or
1,094,581 Homes with Renewable Electricity
The fact is that for every day we stay in Iraq, there are trade-offs in terms of policy choices and costs that have to be made. And Congress must stand up and discuss, publicly and honestly, not only what these costs are, but why they are willing to continue the mess in Iraq at the cost of all of these other governmental programs — especially where a majority of constituents do not support their voting record.
As Rep. Henry Waxman said today in the hearing in his committee doing oversight on the Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman pentagon media fiascos, "the bare minimum that we owe our soldiers and their families is the truth." Absolutely right.
And, beyond that, the Bush Administration and every other elected official on the Hill, regardless of party affiliation, owes it to the American public to not only look at the truth squarely and without the shading of rose-colored glasses — but they also owe it to their constituents to listen to all of their voices. Collectively. And to provide full and complete accounting for their decisions regarding the support or lack thereof for any ongoing military action.
Congress must provide continuous and ongoing oversight for military action — because they have the power of the purse and the obligation to ensure accountability for the decisions made by a Commander in Chief whose ideas about unilateral Presidential action tell him that he is answerable to no one. (Kind of flies in the face of that whole inconvenient Revolutionary War and Founding Fathers Constitutional drafting arguments, doesn't it?)
But the folks at MoveOn.org and Americans United For Change need our help. Political action requires not just ads on television, but direct action by constituents whose elected representatives have decided that the needs of the folks who elected them can just be ignored with no political consequences whatsoever.
They could not be more wrong.
What we are asking today is that we all stand up and say enough. That these elected officials who think they can do whatever they want for political expediency without anyone in their districts or their states noticing get a big wake-up call. And that the voice of a majority of Americans be heard. Loud and clear.
Tom Matzzie, whose political experience is substantial and very valuable, has agreed to hang out with us and chat about what all of us can do to make certain that our elected officials — ALL of our elected officials — understand that they must listen to their constituents about Iraq. The time for ignoring the will of the American people has long since passed. And if they think there are no consequences for choosing the needs of George Bush over the people who elected them to Congress, they can think again.
Help us get these folks on the record: your constituents or George Bush — you choose. This is especially important for Republicans who have, up until now, gotten a pass for mouthing all the moderate words on camera and in constituent meetings — but whose voting records say "rubber stamp Republican" when it counts.
Members of Congress already on the spot with this campaign include:
– Rep. Mary Bono (CA) (more here)
– Rep. Timothy Johnson (IL) (more here)
– Rep. Heather Wilson (NM) (more here)
– Rep. Randy Kuhl (NY) (more here and here)
– Rep. Dean Heller (NV) (more here and here)
– Rep. Jim Walsh (NY) (more here)
– Sen. Susan Collins (ME) (more here and here and here)
– Sen. John Sununu (NH) (more here)
– Sen. Mitch McConnell (KY) (more here)
If your Representative or Senator is not already on the list, but you think they should be, let us know who and why in the comments. This is just the first step — there is a lot more to come with this. The folks within the Beltway far too often dismiss the voices of those of us outside the Washington power hierarchy. They are about to find out just how big a mistake that is. (And you thought the 2006 election results were a wake-up call…)
Some things that you can do to help: write a letter to your elected representative and ask them if they represent the will of their constituents or George Bush — and then report what they answer so we can all know. Or fax them and do the same. Call their office – in DC or a local constituent services office – and leave a message about this. Better yet, schedule an appointment with your elected official or one of their staffers to talk about this face to face. Write a letter to the editor. Call a local talk radio show. Start a local politics blog — and report the answers that you receive there as well. Get your Roots Project group together in your area and set up a group meeting. There are a LOT of things we can all do — and I'd like us to spend some time talking about your ideas for this inthe comments today.
Citizenship is something that we do — and it is time that we all stood up and let these folks know that we expect them to do the same. And with that, I welcome Tom Matzzie to FDL and open the floor for your questions and comments.
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Christy!
Tom,
Loved the Town Hall event. It made the presidential candidates face actual citizens asking tougher, better informed questions than journalists do.
My suggestion–as part of this effort, can you think about targeting not merely swing state senators, but all 21 senators up in 08. I think they’re all potentially vulnerable and can be forced to cast an override. We’re working on a version of this in the Gotham City Council.
Good luck with this, IAC. It’s a great idea.
Welcome, Tom!
Welcome Tom — can’t wait to get this discussion going. This is a pragmatic step that we have needed to take for a long time — and I can’t thank you all and AUFC for getting this going. Great work!
There seem to be some Republicans whose butts are in the ringer right now, Doolittle and Renzi. It would be a good time to go after them.
Thanks Mr. Mattzie for the great job you’re doing at moveon.org and for coming on here to join the discussion!
My question is, why are you restricting your attention to Republican candidates? Many Democrats are in favor of continuing to occupy Iraq, most notably perhaps Hillary Clinton, but there are many others. Why not use your efforts to encourage wavering Democratic senators and representatives to support a pull-out?
George Voinovich – OH He originally was a politician known for being able to bring divergent interests to consensus. He was not known to be a lock-step Bush supporter. He needs to be held to account.
Thanks Christy. I’m happy to be here today and look forward to talking with folks.
Tom,
MoveOn has great tools for emailing congress without going through all the individual forms. Can those tools be shared with FDL so we can put together emails to thank all of the people on Waxman’s and Leahy’s committees?
DrenchedOtter @ 5
We spend a lot of time working to do exactly that. Sometimes it isn’t as visible as our work targeting Republicans but we’re there pushing all the time. MoveOn members do their advocacy work in good faith–meaning regardless of party they hold people’s feet to the fire.
Better get the head of the New Mexico mafia on that list–he’s up for reelection in 2008.
I don’t know if the NM Dems have even thought about running someone substantial against him, but his time should be up.
I believe it essentially important to keep the pressure on those elected from my party, the Democratic Party, to do the right thing.
TJ @ 8
Well, the tools we have are all custom-built for MoveOn members. They take a lot of work from four talented web developers to keep them up and running. But there are some inexpensive tools available commercially.
What a great idea. I love the framing “who are you loyal to? the people who elected you or GW?
Very neat
Oh well, being from CT I’d say put Lieberman on the list of course. The reasons are obvious. And after watching Chris Shays at the Pat Tillman/Lynch hearing, I especially think he deserves a spot.
Would you be willing to put together some thank you campaigns on behalf of FDL?
montag @ 10
Ha, I think you mean Pete Domenici. I think he is very vulnerable on the AG scandal but also Iraq. New Mexico votes 50-50 Dem-GOP. It is an inexpensive state to run a campaign in too. He should be challenged and we can beat him.
welcome tom!
that’s a great ad, very powerful.
jayackroyd @ 1
Interesting idea. Thanks for the compliment on the town hall.
lhp at 13 — I know — I love the framing on this. It’s such a great way to put them on the spot and make them really sit back and think about this. And to make the public sit back and think as well. We’ve needed this type of campaign for a long time — and I’m so thrilled that we can help with it today.
re: Cheney
follow-up exam on blood clot, improving, good progress, etc.
Tom thank so much for being here today. I love this campaign, it’s so smart, so strategic, so in-your-face.
We really appreciate you coming here to talk about it today.
Should we bother with Heather Wilson? I think she and Domenici should just resign after revelations about their phone calls to Iglesias.
selise at 17 — There are ads linkd up for each Representative or Senator named in the post. All of them are very well done, Tom. Kudos.
I am in support of cutting off funding for the Iraq War. Talk, talk, talk. Won’t get the job done. Congress holds the purse strings and we know it.
AP – President Bush, standing firmly against a timetable for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq, said Tuesday that he will veto the latest war spending bill taking shape in Congress.
mui @
23
New Mexico is a state trending more and more Democratic. We should keep pushing there.
Just a reminder to keep the discussion on topic in this thread. Any off topic discussions should be taken to the prior thread. Thanks!
How to write all your congressmen at once:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot…..ogger.html
Please go after Republic Congressman Gary Miller (R-CA 42nd). He has to be among the most corrupt and unethical members.
Senator Specter should be added to the list of rubber stampers. He talks tough, but NEVER delivers.
mui @
15
Chris Shays gets away with a lot. He mouths the right words on some important issues but on key things like Iraq he has been voting 100% with George W. Bush.
mui at 23 — It isn’t just a question of Dominici and Wilson, though. Pressuring them also puts pressure on races across the board in the state and the elected representatives who will be running in them. Targeting one person in one district has spillover value for other districts close by…and that has a lot of value. Especially in a state like New Mexico which has been trending more and more Democratic the last few years.
Mike Ferguson, NJ-7, should be on your list. This is someone who was right on board with George Bush’s Social Security Phase Out plan in 2005; now he’s trying to reposition himself as a moderate. Even got profiled in the NYT as (gag) a Northeaster Republican who is taking advantage of the change in House leadership to show his “moderate stripes”.
Mike also has the dubious honor of receiving the most dollars from the Tom Delay slush fund, $45,000 IIRC.
Talk to Nathan Rudy of http://www.DumpMike.com.
What’s MoveOn’s position on Al Gore? Do you think he’ll run, and if so, are you actively working on supporting his (potential) campaign?
Thanks for what you do.
-MS
mui @ 23
Neither will. They’ll be hardnosed on this. If the ethics committees slap them, it won’t be that hard. They won’t resign over this.
Wilson is much more vulnerable in this than ol’ Pete, though, and if Patricia Madrid runs against her again, Wilson will be in real trouble.
Did anyone at moveon.org’s inception think they would see the day when this statement would be uttered, “Who do you choose, America or the President?”
Also, are you affiliated with any group(s) in Canada? The wingnuts are actively growing their base up here, esp. since we allow gay marriages and have de- criminalized marijuana use.
scarlet p. @ 28
Scarlett, can you check back on the last thread? I’m going to post back there because I can’t find anything to accomplish that at that link. Thanks
Tom, Chris Shays is certifiable too and people are beginning to realize that, but Lieberman lied and lied all through election season, saying there was no one who wanted the troops home more than him, that Lamont was lying about his Social Security record and so on. And there was that grandstanding on Katrina. Now Lieberman has dropped the investigation. The local press does not pick up on this as often as they should. People in CT hate the war but they have been deluded into thinking Liberman is a Democrat. I think we badly need some counterspin in the state of CT.
djinn @
33
Mike Ferguson is a top target for our Iraq campaign. He has been standing with Bush instead of his constituents for too long.
djinn @ 33
Let me second that: progressive Democrat Linda Stender has already announced that she’ll run against Ferguson in 2008. I did some volunteering for her campaign last year and would love to see Ferguson’s feet held to the fire for his votes, which are out of step with much of his district.
montag @ 11
The same can be said of Heather Wilson. Both Wilson and Domenici are knee-deep in the whole US Attorney scandal because of the pressure thay put on USA David Iglesias prior to the 2006 elections.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 32
O.K. I’m not too hard to convince.
Letters to the editor in newspapers are an important mechanism for participation. Politicians pay very close attention to these letters. If you want to take the pulse of the country, one very good way is to read these letters. Write letters to the editor. Depending on circulation, you might reach hundreds of thousands of people at one time.
welcome Tom. longtime MoveOn member here. keep up the good fight. oh, and see if you can get Al to run! Go Hokies!
DrenchedOtter @ 5
it’s hard to know who are the dem senators who don’t want to vote for a mandatory end of the iraq war – since, as far as i know, this hasn’t been put to a vote in the senate (in the senate version of the bill the withdrawal timeline was only a goal – not a requirement to be completed by a certain date).
in house – we have a better idea which dems to target – the blue dogs who voted against HR1591 (not the out of iraq caucus who thought the bill didn’t go far enough).
but i agree – it’s important to target appropriate democrats as well as republicans (and they ought to be even more ashamed of siding with bush over their citizens).
I have responded to all of the MoveOn.org calls for writing our congresspersons regarding this, and have received very good responses from both of my Senators (Durbin and Obama), but not so much as a peep from the newly elected Peter Roskam.
Representative Roskam seems to be secure in the fact that DuPage County (6th District, IL) is unwaveringly Republican, and will vote party line unless someone can shake him from his complacency. I’d suggest his name for the list.
Tom Matzzie @ 26
I would also add that Steve Pearce ought to be gone after, hammer and tongs. His only strong support is in the southeast of the state. Dems have someone who looks promising that intends to run in the primary against Al Kissling, who made a very poor showing in November.
Pearce is a certified wacko, and a smart candidate should be able to draw that out of him. He’s signed on to every nutball tax cut scheme under consideration, and he’s done virtually nothing in the way of introducing legislation beneficial to the state. His big advantage is money–he consistently out-finances the competition.
1,496 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Matzzie:
With regard to the New Mexico senate race, how about gettin’ to Richardson and havin’ him take aim on Dominici’s sorry ass and leave the suicide candidacy for the presidency?
Richardson would overwhelm any Rethug candidate even if Dominici runs (which I don’t think will happen).
Thank you for your courageous work…I like your approach to fighting fascism…
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, ALL THEY GOT IS OUR MONEY!!
There are some people who seem to think that G W Bush is just an incompetent moron who has promulgated a foreign policy disaster in Iraq and that’s it. This is wrong. G W is not incompetent. This is intentional. As things stood before the war, Iraq sat on the planet’s second, maybe first, largest fields of oil. And, Iraq was not in any mood to deal with Western oil companies. In fact they were being shut out of lucrative long term exploration and delivery contracts. That could not be allowed to happen where the rich Western oil outfits did not participate and the oil pumped would be used to benefit Iraqis as was built into their Constitution, Saddam Hussein notwithstanding. Now the US is in charge, has ensured the cancellation of the prior arrangements, has rewritten the Iraqi constitution to move away from a socialist style government to a so-called modern economy which is now all about privatization (read allowing foreign interests to come in and dominate the oil party). The US is in the process of waging economic war on Iraq now that the official war has stopped and our troops are enforcing the changing of the laws with the help of some pliable Iraqi politicians. Bush has absolutely no intention of pulling out of Iraq until the US has a firm long term grip on Iraq’s oil resources. This is why the US has established four permanent military bases in Iraq. This President is not stupid and he is not incompetent. He is dangerous. Make no mistake here.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 23
thank you for telling me to watch the other ads… they’re really brilliant.
selise at 49 — You’re welcome. I watched them all over the past week or so in preparation for today’s chat. And I have to say that they are very well done — and worth the watching. Each of them is tailored specifically to the particular elected official — very, very well done.
Has Moveon been pushing the theme that Bush’s promised veto of the supplemental is what will deny funding to the troops? Or that 46 Republican Senators and 198 Republican Representatives, in voting against the supplemental, are already on record as opposing funding the troops? Why do Republicans hate our troops?
I was just listening to CSPAN where Bush once again was hitting the meme that Democrats are micromanaging the war and going against the decisions of the generals. Bush chose the strategy and then chose the generals to implement it. Now he hides behind the generals and claims
histheir strategy shouldn’t be criticized.It’s about Bush not the generals. It’s about 4 years of failure and not this latest new strategy in a long line of failed strategies.
tom -
i live in MA and my senators and representative seem pretty much on board with ending the iraq war/occupation.
what can i do to support this mobilization?
mui @
38
CT Dems know very well that LIEberman is not a member of the Democratic Party – look at the Affaire on Friday night last – he was totally dissed by scheduling it when he won’t come, and then leaving him out totally when they welcomed every dem party member past present and all the way down the higherarchy – but left old Rape Gurney Joe out completely.
see sbgypsy
ahhhhhh…..
breathe deeply of this beautiful, fresh, fragrant air of truth from George McGovern:
latimes link
Hugh @ 50
i think it should be 197 republicans representatives – ron paul’s “no” vote war an anti-war vote.
SB_Gypsy @ 54
Yes, but you must admit there are many including the press that are in a state of denial. Yes, we won the primary. But the general election was tough, because Lieberman was such a convincing liar and his incumbency was so entrenched.
It’s not even worth writing to him about Iraq. I think he just throws our letters, emails, etc. out. On top of that he published one of Lamont’s letters during the campaign. He ran a corrupt campaignn and if we had a real U.S. attorney, he’d be investigated for slush funding by now.
Thanks so much for joining us today, Tom. These are great ads and you guys have consistently done great work targeting districts and polling to move the issues forward.
But Tom, Please put Chris Shays on the list. It may have a boomerang effect on Lieberman, since the two have forged an alliance.
Sewmouse at 46 — It is the “I don’t have to respond to you, voter” attitude that some elected representatives have that absolutely infuriates me. It is one of the big reasons that we got the Roots Project up and running, because too many of our readers got that reaction from the people they send to Washington to represent their interests. It is high time that these folks remember that they work for us.
Hey Tom
Thanks for visiting. Wanted to say thanks too for Tim Johnson being on your list. Although IL is considered blue, mainly because of Chicago and So IL, we lefties in the middle of the state have a continuous battle with the faithful righties. It’s an every day thing, but most of us enjoy the joust.
So is Texas a lost cause since re-districting?
selise @ 44
One place to start is the vote on the Kerry-Feingold amendment last year, which would have required a pull-out from Iraq in 2007:
senate.gov link
Many Democratic senators voted against the amendment, including Biden, Byrd, Clinton, Dodd, Feinstein, Levin, Menendez, Obama, and Reid.
I understand positions may have changed since then, but it seems to me we shouldn’t be giving Senators a pass just because they are Democrats. If anything, we should hold them more accountable because they are now in the majority.
Thanks Mr. Matzzie for your reply earlier.
Tom,
I loved the tools that Move-on offered at the end of the campaign to let voters in uncompetitive districts call into other districts to help get out the vote. Making the calls wasn’t fun, but it’s a retail business, and we need to compete with the operation that the Republicans are doing.
Might Move-on move on to a very targeted absentee ballot operation much earlier in the campaign? Here in California, the Republicans have turned this into an art form.
selise @
53
That is a good question. Everything you do makes a difference. It is one big system and if you push on one place it makes a difference on the whole system. Kennedy and Kerry are true progressive heroes. We should thank them for that and push them to stand up and fight. Also, you can get involved around election time in phone banks or as a donor. Finally, New Hampshire is right next door!
Tom, speaking of IL, has Denny Hastert been considered at all? He was softened up quite a bit more than anyone expected, even after the Foley mess, last time around. And I keep hearing rumors that he’s contemplating early retirement. I’d sure like to help push that along, and maybe a little pressure would do the trick.
I know you guys have limited resources and you have to concentrate them on elected officials on the cusp (and as I recall, media buys in Hastert’s district are quite expensive, so YMMV on that one) — but I’d love to help push him toward other pastures.
I cannot agree more with that last, and I was very disappointed that he was not investigated for that slush fund. Thing is, he’s so old I cannot see him running again. He won’t listen to anything we say, we can’t make him, he’s drunk the Koolaid.
mui @ 59
Shays is a top target of the Iraq campaign. We’ll get him one way or another.
Tom Matzzie and Moveon,
thank you, thank you, for all you do – (our family phone banked for Ned through y’all) – the Founders would be so proud of what you are doing
my congressman John Carter TX 31, was handpicked by DeLay hisself, back when the county was bright red – it’s a lot more purple now (we’re loaded with young families, first time homeowners) you wouldn’t believe the so called blog on his site – I half expected to see ‘commie’ and ‘manifest destiny ‘
the only reason I would ask AUFC to tackle this clueless git is he is selective in who he communicates with in the district – there are virtual townhalls (via phone hook up) and only those on RNC mailing lists are asked to participate
thanks to a principled Republican friend, I have every intention of crashing that party next time ;)
TJ @
30
I hear you on Specter. I grew up in Pennsylvania. Specter isn’t reasonable when the chips are on the line. I mean, people are losing their lives in Iraq, senator!
cbl @ 69
Things are changing in Texas too! Look at the gains Democrats made in the Texas legislature last year. I have faith. Texas will return.
Tom Matzzie @ 70
Oh but he looks like a statesman when he peers over those glasses and lectures someone. Isn’t that enough? ****sarcasm****
Pachacutec @ 58
Thanks Pach. I just want to clarify that the ads are being done by Americans United for Change. That is a group that evolved out of the campaign to beat Bush on Social Security privatization. It is a collaboration between some unions, MoveOn, USAction and others.
Hi Tom,
I am happy to say that my pennies contributed to these ads. I am a moveon member since the beginning. It’s important that we put our money where our mouths — and esp. our hearts — are. I also participate in the letter-writing and other campaigns, besides doing my own personal chiding — and thanking — the people in Congress.
But any thanks are owed to all of you at moveon — bec you help us with Strength-In-Numbers.
And,
While we’re at it, could Move-on perhaps offer their members a 50 state fund so that we could guarantee resources to all of the candidates running for Congress, rather than just the ones in the closer races as the DNCC does? There are real patriots out there, and I’d like to be able to support all of the ones who step up in the districts where they are given no chance.
Tom Matzzie @ 71
That would be a great legacy for the Bush/Rove era.
kdh22 @ 61
I hear you on Johnson. He represents a university town, criminy! We shouldn’t let him get away voting with Bush on Iraq.
DrenchedOtter @ 61
good idea. maybe reid-feingold this year will be a good test?
Can you add Senator Kit Bond – MO to the list? He’s one of the torture 9 and always votes Bush’s way. We just elected Claire McClaskill (D) to the senate and it looks like MO is trending more blue.
Bill Maher once suggested that we follow Great Britain and ban TV ads. This would dramatically decrease the amount of money needed for a campaign. Thoughts?
Aeolus @ 75
MoveOn members worked in 57 races last year. That is far selise @ 78
My view is that we need to be for anything and pretty much everything that moves the ball forward. Our task is to build a political coalition broad enough to topple a wall of Bush and GOP opposition to ending the war. That means we’ll need people who used to support the war to join our team. So, I’m for any bill that moves us forward.
Sorry Tom
Some of us are wrapped up in the Tillman/Lynch hearings. Just more fuel for the fire about these lying sonofabitches,
Tom, thanks for coming by the lake from all us pups. :})
But could you or George Soros hurry up and send me my check for being in your thrall? I’m needin’ some money or a job down here!!!
Just sayin’…
Thank you Tom! Keep up the fight for the truth!
Solai @ 80
I hadn’t thought about it much before. What are your thoughts? I will say that the first thing we need is public financing of elections. Period.
selise @ 56
A 197 it is then. So why do 46 Republican Senators and 197 Republican Representatives hate our troops and vote to cut off funds to them?
let’s be more clear because if these people actually still think they need to back the president for thier own self preservation then they are morons
so it needs to be proposed as so;
Your Constituents Or George Bush, your political future or retirement
Solai @ 80
Either ban them or DEMAND that the broadcast channels provide each candidate a certain number of NATIONAL AUDIENCE & PRIME TIME campaign minutes for free.
Thank you for initiating real and practical change. The Tillman/Lynch hearing today highlights the disgusting disregard the administration has for those of us who are not their base. They see us as commodities, not constituents.
I’m very grateful for all you do. I’ve participated in MoveOn events and will continue to.
I am a huge Move on fan. I just did my first event and believe that Move on will continue to make the difference.
Please come back here often.
Thanks for being here, Tom. Do appeciate your efforts and MoveOn.Org. Thank God for strong, intelligent, courageous people.
It’s unfortunate that we are all torn between so many important issues.
Keep the faith!
Public financing of elections? Yes. Making cntributions from lobbyists illegal? Yes.
perris @ 87
I would add:
Your Troops Or George Bush? You Choose.
Chee-knee live on CNN…surrounded by Senate lunch crowd. Pushing back against Sens. Reid and Feingold. Reading script. Florid and short of breath.
[Don’t let ‘em kid you…we know ’bout clots round here…this guy’s in tough shape.]
Sen Reid said…Sen Reid said…yadda-yadda.
Desperation stench fills the air. Reaching Fredo territory for repetition…
BTW, as a native of Kentucky, it’s good to know you’re trying to take down Mitch McConnel, R-Big Bidness. He sold out his constitutients pretty much the first day he took office. And oh, the irony for him to be married to the Secretary of Labor given all his anti-labor acts.
Tom Matzzie @ 85
Anything and everything that makes our legislators less susceptible to corporate influence is a plus.
(excuse any typos…I’m at work)
Solai @ 80
It might be possible to push something like this for broadcast TV since they are using the public airwaves. I would guess this would not hold up for cable media w/o a constitutional amendment. However, at least for now, if broadcast TV is not part of the picture that is a huge piece of the market.
Tom Matzzie @ 63
i also live very close to CT (and had the honor of meeting you a few times this summer while volunteering for ned lamont (at sullivans, in the sheriden lobby…).
…. this is a great campaign, and i’d love to be able to help (in a boots on the ground kind of way, i don’t have the big bucks).
Tom,
Any chance that Elizabeth Dole, my NC MIA Senator, or her accomplice Richard Burr will be put on your list of targets?
Liddy Dole only graces NC with her presence when fundraising.
Tom Matzzie @ 85
Tom, I’m quite relieved, yet surprised to hear you say this. I hope you & Moveon will do more on this issue.
I was disappointed in an effort in the past year or so to assess the priorities of your members (of which I’m a longtimer), but the nature of an issue-popularity contest led to, I believe, a watered down type of Top 3 list (or so). Rather than leading a meaningful and guided discussion, the vote led to a weird collection of individual issues to percolate to the top, while some key strategic questions filtered to the middle or bottom.
I’d encourage Moveon to better facilitate or moderate these kinds of efforts in the future.
Also, please consider adding a meaningful mechanism for your members to offer feedback.
Loving criticism aside, thanks for everything you have done and continue to do. (And thank George for us, too!)
Thx to FDL for having moveon and Tom on today. As a resident of the state of Louisiana, I am awash in a sea of red theocracy. I am very concerned about the ability to keep Senator Mary Landreiu in our next election cycle. Our state is now 7 of 9 R in Congress and Vitter is our other US Senator (Bush sycophant). Any suggestions?
Tom, just want to thank you so much for being here to chat with us about this today. Very helpful, very pragmatic — and very much a step in the right direction in terms of applying pressure where it truly needs to be applied. Thanks so much!
I just want to thank you, Mr. Mattzie, and Media Matters for the invaluable work you do in exposing the numerous lies in both the right wing media and mainstream media alike. Many of us have become so disgusted with the spinelessness of the msm that we have completely turned it off/tuned it out and so we appreciate SO much your dedicated monitoring of media distortions and informing us of same so that we may register our protest of same with these various media outlets when appropriate.
Thank you again for this vital service!
Hey folks, I have to run to a few meetings but I’ll keep checking back and responding to comments.
ooh, pick me! pick me!
your Senator is toast! her own party has blamed her for November – she wont be back, one way or another
Solai @ 80
This would be such an improvement.
I’m glad you’ve got McConnell on the list and I’d love to see VoteVets be able to use more than one of the amazing 1 1/2 minute clips they have for ads. Bc of McConnell – I especially love to see Horne’s clip get used.
This was great. CBS out foxed by MoveOn.
Care to comment?
Censored at the Super Bowl
You won’t see MoveOn.org’s ad during Sunday’s big game. But you will see it everywhere else
Jan. 30 – Kickoff isn’t until Sunday, but across the broad expanses of the Internet, the Super Bowl is already a hotly contested game. It’s not the Patriots-Panthers matchup that’s causing controversy. Instead, the great struggle of this year’s Super Bowl is being waged over a short advertisement—a 30-second spot with few words, none of them spoken aloud. It’s an ad underwritten by the grass-roots political organization Moveon.org criticizing the ballooning budget deficit under George W. Bush. Thanks to CBS, the network that refuses to air it during this year’s Super Bowl broadcast, it is an ad that no one will see.
The MoveOn saga shows how in the current polarized political climate, getting censored can be the best publicity there is.
CBS says it was well within its rights to turn down the ad. In a statement, the network said it based its MoveOn decision on a “decades-old” policy of preventing “those with means to produce and purchase network advertising from having undue influence on ‘controversial issues of public importance’.”
I concur that this sort of ad campaign targeting Members of Congress as a direct result of their actions, as opposed to their words, in our federal legislature is extremely helpful and in these ads, very well done. [That opening explosion scene from the Fahrenheit 9/11 Iraq footage is being put to very good use here.]
Something I’ve noticed, in reading comments from the Limbaugh Brigades in places like Montana (about Senator Tester), is that the notion of ‘doing what they’re told’ (by boogeymen like Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi) seems to be a favored smear and accusation against Democrats in places with less access to factual information. I’m not sure of the source of power of this particular ridicule, but it gives me an idea as to a possible counter-attack that might really register in ‘less informed’ parts of the country, where these ads may run. A commenter at DailyKos said something the other day that struck me, and that ties right into my idea, so I’ll suggest the gist of the wording that registered with me in case it’s of value:
This initiative to put these rascals on record is worthwhile and necessary. Thanks for all your work.
Solai @ 80
In a blue sky world, I like the idea, not only would it decrease the money needed, but would also require more personal appearances to get the necessary exposure to be elected.
However, and this applies to any changes to the manner of elections, Im concerned that it would run afoul of 1st Amendment issues. To avoid that, it would probably have to be rather narrowly tailored. If it is narrowly tailored, it will likely leave loopholes for groups not directly affiliated with a candidate to run ads on their behalf.
Don’t know if this has been posted, but many from FDL might want to know about this:
Please note that this “Special Counsel” is not Patrick Fitzgerald, but the “independent” office within the DOJ. We need to keep our eyes on this.
Sorry, this is a drive-by; I haven’t had time to review all the comments.
Bob in HI
Tom Matzzie @
85
That’s one of the great things about MoveOn, Tom. You guys are very responsive to what your membership thinks and never allow yourselves to get isolated in some hermetically sealed beltway petri dish. You really are a model for how other interest groups should function — but don’t.
Very late with a a suggestion for the list.
Senator Mark Pryor (Disaster-AR) Who voted against the recent bill with his only stated reason being that we need to keep these things secret.
Jane Hamsher @ 113
Not thinking of anyone specifically, are you, Jane?
That should be (with typo in #109 corrected):
[The first sentence would be spoken in a tone of censure or mockery.]
Tom Matzzie @ 73
Right; I was sloppy. You guys have done some awesome ads, though, which is what I meant, like red hands.
(Pls pardon OT… multiply EPU’d)
[Modnote: Christy has asked us to stay on topic, thanks]
OT ~ Senator ‘Anonymous Holder’ Judd Gregg: sunlight link
Thank you Tom, MoveOn and the FDLers for all the dedicated work.
Lou Costello @
118
I called it the other day (trying not to break arm patting self on back). I said to look at Dudd Gregg as he’s willing to be a go-to dirty work guy.
OHHHHH…Now I get IT.
It stands for this coming
Saturday April 28th:
http://www.a28.org/
*See you there…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 20
Sorry for the drive by, had to leave for a meeting.
I think this is a perfect way to use the netroots and with the leadership on the framing and message, well….
This is just great.
I just got back and haven’t read the whole thread yet, so if someone said this already I appologize, but would it not be worthwhile to put this question to all ogf them?
It gives the legislators who are on the right side of this issue a chance to say so loud an clear and get the credit for it.
helps get things to the all important tiping point
Tom Matzzie @ 102
tom,
i have to go soon too, but will check back later in case you get a chance to respond.
there’s something i hope you can clear up for me… it’s about the push poll moveon did just before the house vote on H.R.1591… i was so upset about that (and how it might have been used to whip anti-war representatives), that i, with great sadness and after many years, cancelled my moveon membership.
here’s a bit of background – link.
while there’s several things i didn’t like about it, in the final analysis it was the push-poll that went to far for me. i don’t think it was necessarily intentional… but whatever the intention, i really need to know that in the future moveon will be much more careful in designing polls to measure (and not influence) members views (including letting us know what you intend to do with the results).
if you can reassure me on this point, then i can go sign up with moveon again (which i would like to be able to do – if i can feel ok about it).
i was a little unsure about bringing this issue up here (i don’t want to distract from the topic at hand – which is why i waited until the end)… but, after talking with my moveon district person this weekend (at a local city council campaign planning event) i thought it was worth it to ask. i don’t know if there are other people interested in this issue… if you think not, and would like to respond off-line, my email is at speakeasy dot net.
thanks being here today and thanks for considering my concern.
What should be done? General Petraeus needs to occupy Wassington with his troops, remove this administration, and bring some sanity back. The present commander in chief has lost credibilty and doesn’t act like he has one bit of leadership ability left.
Lou Costello @
119
From Christy’s thread the other day, my comment # 52. Not to brag or anything. (snicker snicker) :})
JF @
115
Now that you mention it…
How about putting Lamar Alexander on that list. I haven’t seen him do a darn thing since he’s been my senator except rubber stamp and………
dakine01 @ 125
I lost a ‘C’note! fdl comment link
Let me nominate Adam Putnam R-FL, for the list. This guy is trying to take over the DeLay wing of the R’s, and needs to be defeated.
angry_cyclone @ 128
is he still alive? who knew?
RonD @
130
Isn’t he the squirt with freckles that looks and sounds like he’s sixteen?
1,496 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Matazzi:
I repeat my question above…has anyone at “Move On” discussed the idea of gettin’ to Richardson about announcin’ for the senate. This would begin ta clear the field for a consolidated anti-Clinton movement and seal up New Mexico for a Democratic pick-up. I think if Richardson announced ol’ demon Dominici would get his butt outta the race in a hurry.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…DON’T TAKE ANY SHIT FROM ANY OF ‘EM!!
montag @ 132
Mr. Howdy Dowdy
montag @ 131
“and it’s 1, 2, 3,
what are we fighting for?
don’tdo ask me, Idon’tdo give a damnnext one up is A. Putnam”
punaise @ 135
He definitely deserves to be wearin’ a uniform. Camo, or stripes, or a work shirt with his name on it, makes no difference to me.
New thread from Jane—
If The Shoe Fits
test
Thank you, Tom! I’m thrilled that Mary Bono is on this list, and thanks FDL for the link to Sherry Greenburg’s post at CA Majority Report.
If the media playing field is leveled, Bono is out in 2008. We still fall behind in registration, but voter registration and precinct organizing is our main agenda for 2007 at Democrats of the Desert.
AND Howie Klein graciously agreed to talk netroots to our club here in the Palm Springs area on May 16th. The CA-45 is definitely in play.
A driveby:
Not only must there be ONLY public funding for political campaigns
and the requirement that all media cary equal access for ALL candidates
The length of time must be curtailed to not more than 45 days before an election with the 5 days prior to the election, campaign free. The present perpetual campaigning is INSANE.
selise @
124
Just in case Tom comes back, I’m interested in his response to this, too. I was upset by this tactic, which seemed manipulative.
Bob in HI
Add Minnesota senator Norm Coleman to the list of prospective targets. He desperately needs to go. For a wannabe moderate he’s appallingly in lockstep with the administration.
I’m all in favor of banning the TV advertising.
Just to avoid free speech problems, I suggest allowing them to speak for a half-hour (televised) in the week before the election.
There would still be news coverage, but I suggest reinstating the fairness doctrine, and limiting ownership of media to one per city would be a good idea.
I think limiting the campaign season to 45 days before the election is a brilliant idea.
Is this list comprised of people who are currently running for their lives, er… seats?
If not, why aren’t Joe Lieberman, Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barak Obama on this list?
I mean, I know we’re supposed to be targeting Republicans, but those three most certainly need to go on record as representing themselves or their constituents.
Please consider targeting Rep. Shelley Moore Capito (WV-02). Her particularly offensive stances this session include votes against EFCA and the vote against the Iraq surge resolution.
In both cases she made particularly outlandish claims about her position that were at odds with how she actually voted. She continually tries to bolster her moderate reputation (one popular in this area) while still providing strong partisan GOP cover whenever required.
[ All of this is documented in more detail at West Virginia Blue - http://www.wvablue.com/ ].
A final reason why WV-02 is a good investment this cycle: it looks increasingly likely we’ll have a strong challenger (State Sen. John Unger).
Thinking Southerner @
101
In the timeless words of Mother Jones, “Don’t Mourn, Organize.”
cbl @
105
I think that Elizabeth Dole is very weak as a candidate and very vulnerable. North Carolina has changed a lot and has a strong populist streak that can swing things either way.
Jane Hamsher @
113
Thanks Jane. It is a constant process and for those of us on staff almost a vocation to be facilitators for members.
selise @
124
I hear your concerns. I think the best way to respond would be to encourage you to read a Q&A with Wes Boyd and Joan Blades our founders on Alternet.
http://www.alternet.org/stories/49935/
angry_cyclone @
128
I think Lamar Alexander is looking for the country club bar in the Senate. He might as well be a potted plant he has been so quiet.
RonD @
130
There are 2 GOP reps who are so obnoxious I think it might be just fine to leave them in Congress. One is Adam Putnam and the other is Patrick McHenry. They kinda remind me of the really annoying kid who wanted to be on Student Council in High School more than anything else.
Bob, the best answer is at this link.
http://www.alternet.org/stories/49935/?page=2
Bob Schacht @
141
NorskeFlamethrower @
133
Last I checked he is running for president. Not my place to speak for folks as to whether he should switch. I’ll say we could sure use somebody with Richardson’s position on Iraq in the Senate. (every single troop out by end of 2007)
I also think Domenici could be beaten easier than people think.
soyinkafan @
139
Last cycle MoveOn picked some races that everybody else ignored. A bunch of those places went Democratic. I think CA-45 is one of those with a strong candidate. Palm Spring is a cheap media market and the district is about 50-50 Dem-GOP in a presidential election year. This one is up for grabs in my book. In this case the targeting was legislative–Bono had said some things we thought made her a potential flip-flopper. Sure enough, she said some critical things when the ads landed.