
(Australian crested pigeons, courtesy of BioCity. )
At first, I was just a political junkie. But now, I think I'm turning into an oversight junkie. After six years of doing whatever they wanted with no consequences, the Bush administration finally faces a reckoning. New investigations of BushCo. crimes appear almost as frequently as the crimes themselves did, and I am loving it. The past couple of days have been especially good, with a pair of investigations I was really happy about.
The first is Waxman's pursuit of the lax White House security revealed in his CIA Leak hearing. If you thought Knodell's testimony about the lack of an investigation of the leak was damning, check out Waxman's letter to Andy Card:
On March 16, 2007, the Oversight Committee held a hearing to examine the disclosure by White House officials of the covert status of CIA Officer Valerie Plame Wilson. At this hearing, the current Chief Security Officer at the White House, James Knodell, testified that the White House Security Office (1) did not conduct any internal investigation to identify the source of the leak, (2) did not initiate corrective actions to prevent future security breaches, and (3) did not consider administrative sanctions or reprimands for the officials involved. The failure of the White House to take these actions appears to be a violation of Executive Order 12958, which establishes minimum requirements for safeguarding classified information and responding to breaches.
Following the hearing, my staff heard from multiple current and former security officials who work or worked at the White House Security Office. These security officials described a systemic breakdown in security procedures at the White House. The statements of of these officials, if true, indicate that the security lapses that characterized the White House response to the leak of Ms. Wilson’s identity were not an isolated occurrence, but part of a pattern of disregard for the basic requirements for protecting our national security secrets.
The full letter has a lot more detail, but basically the White House Security Office:
1) Blew off security breaches reported by the Secret Service, including leaving ultra-mega-top-secret materials unattended in a hotel room.
2) Barred the Information Security Office from performing the security inspections (which it is authorized to do under Executive Order 12958).
3) Violated mandatory security protocols, and looked the other way when WH staff did the same.
In other words, the White House Security Office's title was about as meaningful as "Clear Skies," "Healthy Forests," or "Mission Accomplished." It's especially ironic for a White House so utterly obsessed with secrecy. But then, there's state secrets, and then there's political secrets… and political trumps state every day in the Bush White House.
Which brings me to Investigation Number 2:
Most of the time, an obscure federal investigative unit known as the Office of Special Counsel confines itself to monitoring the activities of relatively low-level government employees, stepping in with reprimands and other routine administrative actions for such offenses as discriminating against military personnel or engaging in prohibited political activities.
But the Office of Special Counsel is preparing to jump into one of the most sensitive and potentially explosive issues in Washington, launching a broad investigation into key elements of the White House political operations that for more than six years have been headed by chief strategist Karl Rove.
The new investigation, which will examine the firing of at least one U.S. attorney, missing White House e-mails, and White House efforts to keep presidential appointees attuned to Republican political priorities, could create a substantial new problem for the Bush White House.
First, the inquiry comes from inside the administration, not from Democrats in Congress. Second, unlike the splintered inquiries being pressed on Capitol Hill, it is expected to be a unified investigation covering many facets of the political operation in which Rove played a leading part.
In other words, the central theme of the investigation is the Bush administration's deliberate blurring obliteration of the line between governance and politics. The paragraph I bolded is particularly significant, as the Bushies will not be able to squawk "partisan witch hunt!", and the investigation will be examining the entire elephant in the room, not just bits and pieces of it. On the other hand, it could be just another Republican ratfuck, but I can't really see Waxman being fooled or put off by a phony investigation. The media has a similar conflict, where they must balance their insitutional desire to whitewash Republican misdeeds against their need to retain a minimum level of credibility.
Late update from Think Progress: It looks like it was a complaint by David Iglesias that got the OSC ball rolling. Lots of other juicy stuff at that link, too.
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The President says there is no civil war in Iraq. This is pathological.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 0
He also says Gonzo did a great job testifying to the Judiciary Committee.
Zed
Bloch is a Bush political appointee.
His job, therefore, is to protect Karl Rove at all costs, while giving the appearance of conducting an investigation. His job is _not_ to find the truth or to prosecute Republicans.
Remember the Pat Roberts investigation?
Like that.
joel hanes @ 3
I think Waxman and Conyers and Leahy can smell a whitewash a mile away. The problem with the Pat Roberts analogy is that the Democrats were completely powerless to investigate back then. Now they’re not.
“First, the inquiry comes from inside the administration, not from Democrats in Congress.”
I read this as White House hostages having to to investigate themselves as the Democrats are utterly useless.
It’s a ratfuck. How could it not be?
“The US Office of Special Counsel (OSC) is a free-standing agency which should not be confused with the US DOJ Office of Special Counsel.”
Which is precisely why it has been chosen for this particular un-natural act with a rodent.
“The OSC is headed by a presidential appointee with a five-year term named Scott J. Bloch.”
Who will gladly couple with said rodent to please his boss, Mr Rove.
Waxman & Co need to jump their shit on this one immediately.
The only good thing to come out of all these investigations is that the Chicken in Chief and his lapdog Rover will spend a lot of time fretting about what will be found out. Will either one of them go to jail, not hardly. Let’s investigate and then investigate the investigation till we have worn out these immoral leach’s!!
Everythingseemssoneat @ 5
Heh. The Democrats are shaky when it comes to stuff like legislation and nominees, but they’ve been looking pretty good on investigations, where they don’t need the same kind of unity.
Fineman (Newsweek) appeared on Olberman thinks it might be to throw off other investigations, can’t impose any harsh penalties etc. But why then is Ingless(sp?) the initiator of this investigation? Guess we will have to wait and see.
Everythingseemssoneat @ 6
how so?
From Truthout Rove Investigator Himself Under Investigation
Cute
Clearly, it is “don’t let your guard down” time. It stinks, plain and simple. It is just like them to lead us to believe that the person we have defended, Iglisias, is responsible for their investigation. Everything they do is “turn it around”, so we have to counter that.
It’s “opposites day”, every day, in Bush’s world.
I think the *best* the administration can hope for out of the OSC investigation is another one of those “improper and unethical but not illegal” findings, like with the Office Of Special Plans. But even that would mean an awful lot of embarrassing dirty laundry would get aired.
And again, if Henry thinks he’s being played, he’ll take matters into his own hands.
Pigeons, Meet Roost.
“Roost rock reggae, this a reggae music
Hey mister Waxman, sure sounds good to me
I can’t refuse it, what to be got to be
Feel like dancing, dance cause we are free
Feel like dancing, come dance with me”
Eli @ 15
Does it all get to be public?
LS @ 12
Iglesias’s loyalty would have to be pretty superhuman to still be enabling the Bushies at this point. Maybe Bloch suckered him, but I really don’t think Iglesias is playing a game here.
Petrocelli @ 14
BushCo mantra: I know you understand what you think I said but I don’t think you understand what I meant to say.
Or another way:
If ya can’t dazzle ‘em with your brilliance, baffle ‘em with your b*llsh*t.
Eli @ 15
Looks like another attempt at running the clock out, to me.
punaise @ 16
LOL!
PeteCO @ 19
There’s a lot of clock left.
Eli- I think Waxman is doing his job.
Eli @ 18
I didn’t mean that. I meant basically the opposite of that. Iglesias is now their enemy, and they are going to up the ante using him. Does that make sense?
eli, a great read
LS @ 23
Well, the thing is, it’s not the Bushies saying that Iglesias kicked off the OSC investigation, it’s *Iglesias*. So Iglesias is in for some character assassination pretty damn soon.
CNN article on osc
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITI…..index.html
Thanks, perris! I was going for misleading labels… and trying to conserve space.
Eli @ 22
I dunno, look how long it was from when Fitz was appointed to look into PlameGate, to Libby being indicted, and then long it was before he went to trial and was convicted.
More than 18 months, I think.
In other words, the White House Security Office’s title was about as meaningful as “Clear Skies,” “Healthy Forests,” or “Mission Accomplished.”.
Nah, I see the White House Security Office name fits quite appropriately, it certainly secured and protected the release of the names of the real White House leakers just fine…Pigboy, Cheney, and Junyah are thankful for their service and security at the WH.
At first, I was just a political junkie. But now, I think I’m turning into an oversight junkie
Oh Gawd, baby, me too. I watch the committee sites every day; change my work calendar to live-blog, am driving my friends nuts with new news. I am stuck, stuck, stuck
Eli @ 28
Bottomline is: Whatever framing term BushCo puts on anything, intepret it as being the exact opposite and save yourself the aggravation.
Actually, there’s a very simple, easy way to tell whether Bloch’s investigation is legit.
If the Republicans start sliming him as some kind of out-of-control Ahab, he’s legit. If they speak respectfully of his decency and integrity, then the fix is in.
Then again, maybe they know that we know this…
dakine01 @ 31
Yep. Whenever they say anything that sounds like it might be reasonable, I immediately look for the catch or the loophole.
I do think Bloch is a ringer. I recall that almost as soon as he took over the office, he started to fuck with people, and summarily dismissed about 1000 pending whistleblower claims to clear the caseload–and he bragged about bringing efficiency to the understaffed office in doing so.
This guy is a not-nearly-as-clever version of Rove. And, as people start digging into his background, they’re going to find that he’s probably got a resume a lot like Monica Goodling’s.
Helen @ 31
My brother won’t let me stay home from school to see the hearings and the re-broadcasts are often after i go to bed. :( :(
Talk about pigeons and roosts. Today’s testimony of Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman’s mother and brother before Rep. Henry Waxman was totally damning of the current regime. Anyone who sees even part of that is a freakin fool if they do not realize the criminality of the people we are now dealing with. This was a saddening and enraging day, one of many before it, and there will be many more to come.
Before finally, as former Senator George McGovern predicted today, both Bush and Cheney are driven from office in disgrace, before the end of 2008.
Hasten that day!
Did Iglesias initiate the investigation? Or did he file a complaint/go on record, to which the Office of Special Council replied “Oh, yes, that…we are already looking into it.”?
Me thinks Iglesias could not have given them a better opening. Had they launched on their own, outcries of fox/henhouse would have shut it down before lunch.
1. If this investigation gets underway, can Rove refuse to testify before Congress on 5th Amendment grounds? (a criminal investigation is underway, therefore, Congress, I cannot say anything)
2. If the counsel gets his hands on all the emails….can he refuse to turn them over to Congress on grounds that same are all part of his “on-going investigation”?
Ghostman
Full Spectrum Resistance
S.O.S. from MA @ 37
Nancy for Prez!
PeteCo @ 29 says:
More than 18 months, I think.
I always go back to H2Ogate. We’re at a comparable point of investigations as the Senate Select Committee hearings and have 18 months of daily/weekly revelations to go. There’s a whole lot of investigationing and oversighting that can uncover unsightly information during that time.
Even Rubert Murdoch is jumping ship.
From down under:
Ghostman @ 38
I would not be surprised to see them try, but I’m not sure if that would hold up in court.
Any lawyers in the house?
Eli @ 18
What no one seems to be thinking about is that the complaints against Bloch indicate that he is a religious freak and as such he might have no desire to lie and cover up for anyone. Just a suspicion, right or wrong, at this time who knows?
Kairos – thanks for that link !
was wondering why that office specifically – thinking it was where certain Departments and Agencies went for Hatch Act issues
as the article mentioned, it is also charged with protecting whistleblowers from retaliation –
I don’t believe Mr. Bloch
Helen @ 31
Me too – me too.
SnarKassandra @ 41
I’ll drink to that!
Bob in Arkansas, USA @ 44
Well, the Regent grads are all religious freaks, so that probably doesn’t prove anything…
The whitewash begins. Bloch will muddy the waters, and provide a dissenting voice to the he-said-she-said media, who will eat it up.
For details, see: http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..193513/839
Bob in Arkansas, USA @ 45
Monica is a religious freak
Eli @ 33
Yeah, and then Spectre will demand answers, and won’t get any, and that will be just fine.
Same old, same old.
Bob in Arkansas, USA @ 45
I have a bridge to sell you in Iraq, slightly used.
Eli @ 44
IANAL, but they could probably compel his testimony through giving him a limited immunity. But that would most likely sink a criminal case as it did with Ollie North during Iran/Contra. Congress gave him the limited immunity for his testimony then his convictions were overturned on grounds related to the testimony.
I would imagine the e-maisl would be different story that Congress could demand Bloch to turn over.
Eli @ 49
I believe one M. Goodling is a Regent grad, no?
PeteCO @ 52
No. I think things are starting to get better.
New meaning to Bloching an investigation.
RonD @ 40
Fixed your link.
OT on stolen elections
http://www.tompaine.com/articl…..xposed.php
dakine01 @ 53
What if they went after Jennings or Miers instead?
like I said, I do not trust Mr Bloch
who else but Emptywheel
added emptywheel goodness -
Thanks-enthusiasm sometimes trumps experience.
Eli @ 60
You mean for immunity? Cuz – No immunity for Rove, NO.
Helen @ 62
Yes. Get them to testify *against* Rove.
Umm, not sure about this, but Iglesias only has a couple of choices here. He can file civil suit, which would take a lot of time to resolve, and not necessarily get at the underlying issues.
His other option is to make a whistleblower claim. It seems he’s done exactly this. In that case, his only option as a whistleblower, is to file his claim at the Office of Special Counsel. In the latter instance, he has no choice but to deal with Bloch and that office. And, there’s no guarantee that Bloch is going to do anything other than slow-walk this case. Iglesias’ only option if Bloch does that is to withdraw his claim and go back to civil court.
Waxman should simply proceed with the investigation that’s already begun.
Eli @ 60
Again, just guessing but if focus kept on KKKarl’s mis-deeds rather than theirs, it should be doable.
Kinda like with Monica Goodling getting immunity. Her testimony before Congress could probably be used to get Abu, Sampson, KKKarl, et al. Since she’s a small fish relatively speaking, use her to catch the bigger.
The problem with how they did Ollie was the courts ruled that his immunized testimony to Congress HAD to have tainted the criminal case against him, ergo it was tossed.
Bob in Arkansas, USA @ 45
One of the funniest things I have read here or anywhere in a long, long time. And your name isn’t even TRex. Bravo!
ot to H.Clinton thread
i recommended this book it is particularly relevant to that thread.
it is a closely written analysis of political
economics called
‘Counting for Nothing’
what men value and what women are worth
by Marilyn Waring
pub Allen& Unwin New Zealand Limited
1988
ISBN 0 86861 571 4
there is an eleven page bibliography
(including 2 pages from United Nations reports and surveys)
nine pages of footnotes
three appendices
the preface by Gloria Steinen abbr begins
close one eye-and look at the room you are in,
note what you see in front of you,test your peripheral vision.this is the world before this book.
now open both eyes -and look at the same scene.
note the new depth in front of you,the rounded reality of two peripheries and the feeling of wholeness that cones from perceiving in balance.
the is the world after this book.
Marilyn Waring was a member of the New Zealand parliament.
i hope i’m not being too pushy here but this is a forum that is open to ideas in dire need of dissemination.and this book is a doozy
as an aside,if i comment on a thread and leave,i can’t get back.so if i don’t answer,you are not being ignored,it’s just that i’ve been locked out.
Yeah, after watching a CNN interview w the LA Times reporter today, my first reaction was that Rove himself directed Bloch to initiate the investigation.
Another stalling tactic.
Not that Waxman will fall for it, but it could potentially run a few more minutes off this clock.
They’re capable of anything. Sometimes, I wonder how many times in a day I’ve just shaken my head in disbelief & disgust.
(But reading Waxman’s letter re No-tell’s office perked me up a bit!)
dakine01 @ 42
I always go back to H2Ogate. We’re at a comparable point of investigations as the Senate Select Committee hearings and have 18 months of daily/weekly revelations to go. There’s a whole lot of investigationing and oversighting that can uncover unsightly information during that time.
That’s a good point, and I hope you’re right. A week is a long time in politics. This kind of thing seems to move with glacial slowness, and I’m getting really impatient, is all. When the Republican congressional caucus finally admits to itself what a liability Junior will be in 08, maybe things will pick up a bit. Same thing happened to Thatcher, in the end. Taken down by her own party.
Those were the days.
NorskeFlamethrower @
3
What does Zed mean, please.
Nola Sue @ 69
Yeah, quite the letter writer, our Henry.
montag @ 65
Iglesias has credibility with the Congress due to his status as a fired USA under questionable circumstances. He has a media pulpit that can force Bloch’s hand. And as a Naval reserve officer who was fired at least partly for being in duty with the reserves, he has a case through other employment avenues.
montag @ 65
Actually I believe his suit is that he was wrongly discharged because of his participation in the reserves, which was one of the original reasons given.
Loo Hoo @ 71
‘Z’ for ZERO, the first comment # on a new thread.
I don’t think the Republicans will turn on their own in any great numbers-they are all compromised. To paraphrase,”they must all hang together, or they will all hang separately.”
Eli @ 60
I read somewhere they were terrified of Miers being put on the stand, because she actually is Church Lady, and couldn’t perjure and obfuscate with the ease of say…Gonzales, or Rove.
dakine01 @ 73
I agree. I have the utmost confidence in Iglesias. He is pissed, but he is smart, and he’s not gonna let the pissed get in the way of the smart. Like Fitz – he was getting his ass handed to him by the wingnuts and he just went on his merry way, ignored it, got his conviction, and went back to his “day job”
Iglesias is also a conservative, Christian Republican. He signed his letter of resignation with a scriptural reference. (Typo’d, per his exchange with Timmeh. I can try to find the link if anyone’s interested.)
Point being, he’s a hard one for Karl’s Kidz to beat up on.
The thing that is alarming me is the reporting that it is a wide ranging investigation, which means it encompasses elections, DOJ, Plame, etc. Clearly, this is an attempted cover-up occurring right before our eyes. Can’t we just say stop, because the investigation itself is a form of obstruction of justice? How can this be? I’m so frustrated. I refuse to accept that these people get away with this. That’s it. I’m having a shot of tequila – right now.
I guess a question that I have is, what would we consider a positive outcome here? Obviously, some kind of criminal punishment against Rove would be ideal, with termination the second-best option.
But another kind of positive outcome would be the further poisoning of the, ahem, good name of the Republican Party. If the OSC “clears” Rove, but everyone knows it’s a whitewash, then it actually achieves the exact opposite result politically.
Even the idea of a Bush appointee *conducting* such an investigation gives the politicization-of-government narrative greater weight (and, ironically, a Bush appointee declaring that “all is well”) does so even more.
cbl @ 61
Thanks for the emptywheel link, cbl. Waxman completely trumps Bloch for potential to dig to the bottom of the USA firings, no doubt.
Hail Mary Law School ??
PeteCo @ 70 says:
Those were the days.
That was the thing about H2Ogate; there seemed to be revelations all the time but nothing big until the final “smoking gun” of the tapes where it was conclusive that Nixon obstructed justice and was involved in the cover-up of the break-in. But each revelation was another brick in the wall building around him (see early Doonesbury).
Even without the smoking gun, there were a fair percentage of the House Republicans who were going on record as favoring the Articles of Impeachment. Not a majority but still significant amount. The actual trial would have been close but once the final tapes came out with out redactions or anything, it was all over but the signature on the resignation papers.
realworld @ 74
Okay. But, since he’s not a career civil servant, and can’t avail himself of the arbitration process via that avenue, a wrongful discharge claim would be handled by… the Office of Special Counsel, once again.
I guess I’m suggesting that speculation of Rove “assigning” Bloch to the case is probably specious. Iglesias, barring civil suit, has only one avenue to relief, and that’s through Bloch’s office.
And, my guess is that Bloch’s going to do whatever he can to protect the WH politically. With any luck, he’ll get his ass handed to him in the process.
I just hope Waxman’t bite is as strong as his bark. The boy king seems to be stonewalling. Lets hope this whole huge house of cards has made a mistake somewhere that will bring it down after someone says “Well, no, sir, I know because I heard it on a tape.”
Marie Roget @ 82
sponsored by the Domino’s Pizza guy
Helen @
31
Helen, thank you so much.
Eli @
33
Or if they try to stop Waxman’s investigation by saying there’s an “ongoing internal investigation” so they can’t respond.
Eli @ 81;
“I guess a question that I have is, what would we consider a positive outcome here? Obviously, some kind of criminal punishment against Rove would be ideal, with termination the second-best option.”
Depends what you mean by “termination” ;)
Just imagine for a moment if they succeeded in getting the permanent RAPEthePUBLICifyouCAN majority of Newt and Delay.
TeddySanFran @ 87
I’m hoping a lawyer can help out on this one, but I suspect that they can only use that on the media. Then again, maybe that’s all they want…
Eli @ 81
Let OSC do their “investigation” but keep a jaundiced eye on them. And let Waxman, Conyers, Leahy, Kennedy (on the No child stuff) and all the other committee chairs do their jobs. Waxman has to do double duty since we know Joe LIEberman isn’t going to move a muscle. But all the other chairs can make him irrelevant.
Lou Costello @ 89
We sure as hell wouldn’t be having this conversation.
dakine01 @
42
I always go back to H2Ogate. We’re at a comparable point of investigations as the Senate Select Committee hearings and have 18 months of daily/weekly revelations to go. There’s a whole lot of investigationing and oversighting that can uncover unsightly information during that time.
Aren’t we operating faster, though, with teh internets and teh 24/7 newscycle?
Lou Costello @ 90
AAAAHHHHH!!
I feel better now.
dakine01 @ 91
Works for me. It’ll be interesting to see if they do try to use their own investigation to block the congressional ones, and how that battle plays out.
Loo Hoo @ 87
You’re welcome!! I actually find live-blogging difficult but a blast of fun. Am trying to find out if McNulty is actually testifying on Friday and if so, if it’ll be broadcast, cuz I am there!!
Pete at 89, pun aside. Termination would be to see Chaney standing in the well of the house, followed by Bush, and a whole bunch of criminal prosecutions. Pelosi won’t pardon them….at least I’d hope she wouldn’t.
Eli @ 91
Maybe they think that’s all they need. I…….don’t……think…….so……..anymore.
TeddySanFran @ 88
Again, IANAL, only an old political junkie but as a term even The Chimpenfuhrer should know “That dog don’t hunt.” I’m not an expert but I’d guess Bloch as an OSC would be comparable to the civil side of DoJ, not criminal.
Bloch, a former Lawrence lawyer, graduated from Kansas University’s law school in 1986
oh and he’s a childish dick . . .
cancels Employee of the Year award ceremony when he finds how the awardee will be joining some hippies for a news conference after the luncheon
My suspicion, probably shared by pretty much everyone here is that they’re opening the investigation just to provide political cover. David Iglesias’ complaint provides a nice ‘clean’ reason to do so, and Bloch’s expressed desire to “try to deal with this” [the growing controversy] is a desire to contain the fall-out.
By having their own ‘investigation’ now, and coming up with ‘answers’ as quickly as possible, when later investigations are held, the Rs can claim (1) old news, nothing to see here, move on; and (2) the new inquiries are partisan witch-hunts because we already *had* an investigation into this. [And, hey, wasn’t part 2 of the 9/11 report due out a week or so ago? Anyone know what the status of that is?]
LS @ 98
I always find myself wondering, do they not realize how much trouble they’re in, or do they know something that we don’t?
They were pretty confident about those 2006 elections…
cbl @ 101
Shoot me now.
dakine01 @
42
I always go back to H2Ogate. We’re at a comparable point of investigations as the Senate Select Committee hearings and have 18 months of daily/weekly revelations to go. There’s a whole lot of investigationing and oversighting that can uncover unsightly information during that time.
Oh, but gawd Dakine, as you know Watergate was a simple case of burglary and cover-up. This is war crimes.
meep! @ 101
I think Pat Roberts’ dog ate it.
Where’s this fit in? From herehttp://politics.slashdot.org/p…..35213.shtml:
Everything cited is linked at the original link above.
TeddySanFran @ 94
Aren’t we operating faster, though, with teh internets and teh 24/7 newscycle?
The investigations are not appreciably faster. It’s just that “we da people” are finding it much faster and it’s getting out to all the world the same day rather than dribs and drabs. CSpan does help with that.
Eli @ 44
My understanding (from TPM, I think) is that the OSC investigation isn’t a criminal investigation — they can throw people out of their government jobs for Hatch Act violations, but it’s not a criminal penalty. This would make the usual “ongoing investigation” canard even weaker than usual.
However, I think it’s fairly likely they’ll try to use this to tie up the evidence. However, we have this technology called “copying” that works for both paper and electronic evidence, and I somehow doubt that any investigations into related non-GOP crimes get stalled because only one investigator can have the evidence at a time.
Dakaine at 105 It might be a hell of a lot more than that! And someplace, somewhere, someone’s gonna slip.
In a hotel room in a foreign country, if I remember correctly.
Nola Sue @
79
And if David Kuo was telling the truth, Iglesias may be one of those Christians Rove mocked. And he might know it.
Redsift at 111. Oh, pooh! Those documents were probably just a tip for the maid.
Eli @ 103
Joking aside (me). They know EXACTLY how much trouble they are in. The problem is, they will resort to anything for self-preservation. The GOOD thing is, the ratio of intelligence in opposition to their tactics, is NOT in their favor, and that will be their downfall. Fasten our seatbelts for a very bumpy ride.
Hi beloved and long-suffering mods..
clean-up (?) @ 10 AM in Gated aisle.
I ssuspect Renzi will be preoccupied for awhile.
Loo Hoo @ 105 says:
You take what you can get. Most of us (speaking generationally) thought the Trickster and Kissinger had more than a few war crimes on their records (extending the war into Cambodia amongst others). So he was brought down because of a “third-rate burglary.” What ever works.
Eli @ 96
Ok, how bout one of the lawyers on here tell us if this investigation by OSC which does not have any enforcement power that I could see when I checked, could block an investigation by congress!
cynic @ 110
that’s the thing about conspiracies like whaat Rover has been running. Way too mnay stupid people involved and no way to keep them all quiet.
That’s like saying Al Capone was a famous tax cheat.
OT – Larry King just said that John McCain is gonna “officially announce his bid for the presidency tomorrow.” Huh? he didn’t do that yet? This loooong road to the white house is pissing me off. Hey Cassie – if you are still here, you should prolly announce now for 2032.
Bloch, a Kansas lawyer who was deputy director and counsel at the Justice Department’s Task Force for Faith-based and Community Initiatives, was appointed by President Bush to be Special Counsel
kirk murphy @ 115
Sorry *blushes in embarassment*
If any department has the power to block an investigation by Congress 1) That law should be changed, 2) they should find themselves facing a severe funding shortage at the next appropriations hearing.
Bob in Arkansas, USA @ 117
I also don’t see how they can apply “executive privilege” to RNC mailservers, but they’re gonna try it anyway.
Redshift @ 111
Yup. Luv to know what foreign country….
Helen @ 121
I know one kid who already did announce for 2032. He blogs with us. LOL
Helen @ 121
Good idea. Since no one’s going to be changing the campaign finance laws anytime soon, it might give Cassie a leg up on financing that campaign. :)
Except there’s that sticky point about not being eligible for office until the age of thirty-five. Might have to wait for 2027. (By then, everyone will be running five-year campaigns….)
Mother Jones had a lovely article on Mr. Bloch in the May/June print issue. It’s also here:
Office of Special Counsel’s War on Whistle Blowers
Eli @ 106
Or it was left out with the other stuff as the maid-tip. (Thanks, cynic; I like that image.)
Just noticed that Shrub’s father is on Charlie Rose in an hour talking about the Iraq war. Have to decide whether my stomach can handle the spin …
[That’s actually one thing I can say about Junior’s ability to change my mind: I intensely disliked Reagan and hated Bush I. While my opinion of them remains unchanged — and especially in the groundwork they laid for the current administration — comparatively they don’t seem as bad these days as I thought they were then. Things could’ve been much worse than I ever nightmared.]
TeddySanFran @ 126
Big Hank knows, and that’s good enough for me.
Meep!#130,
I agree with you-I worked like a fiend against both of them, blissfully ignorant of how bad it could be.
Folks, I gots me some thunder boomers rolling in fairly close by so going into both machine and cerebral shut down. C’Ya in the A & M.
AZ Matt @ 116
That’s another step, after giving up his seat on House Intel Committee. It sounds like pre-indictment to me. Nice to know 11/7 ended the culture of corruption, but not the hangover….
G’night, dakine!
Anna Perenna – thanks so much for the Mother Jones link ! and welcome to the Lake
anyone have e mail addy for emptywheel ? and could you e mail it to me at
thehippieswererightatyahoo.com
According to the info at the link, this is what
the OSC can and cannot do.
I don’t think they can interfere with the Congressional investigations.
IANAL. just my ho
“Smartest Guys in the Room(ENRON) is on PBS in Texas NOW! I don’t know if it’s on PBS anywhere else…
LS @
138
Philly too!!
A28.ORG: Nationwide Impeachment Protests
This Saturday ~ April 28, 2007
http://www.a28.org/actions.shtml
Find a gathering in your neck of the woods. Over 100 and counting…
The investigations are fun- but there are getting to be so many of em that I doubt if most people are paying any attention- and no one goes ta jail- so that validates that they aren’t important.
Dems may need to start picking their shots or we’re gonna get investigation drain.
Mr. Bush knows little about governing and has less interest. Mr. Rove only knows how to campaign and villify, which made him rich and could make him wealthy. Mr. Cheney just wants power, and is able to manipulate the one and conspire with the other in order to get it.
These men have inverted the normal “campaigning in order to govern” into “campaigning instead of governing”. For good measure, they’ve turned the entire federal govt into an instrument of that campaign.
That allows them to rationalize that they aren’t lying when they conflate their campaign “puffery” with the everyday facts normal people rely on to govern the world’s most complex and powerful government.
Of course they’re lying. But to Shrub, it’s “just politics” so it doesn’t count. Like getting in and out of Ivy League schools, the TANG, his DUI(s), his failed businesses, and the governorship of Texas. He’ll do anything as long as it doesn’t require reading and he has his afternoons free to work out.
A Bloch OSC investigation will be a laffer.
Iglesias had no place else, really, other than his individual suit, to file his Hatch related complaint, bc OSC is the office that deals with Hatch complaints.
POGO (Project on Govt Oversight) has had lots of info on OSC and Bloch, starting pretty much right after he was appointed. Bloch started with W in Justice Department’s Task Force for Faith-based and Community Initiatives. Back in 2005, a complaint by current and ex OSC employees was referred to the Office of WH Counsel for action.
So Bloch is now going to be investigating the actions of Miers, Gonzales, etc.? Uh, yuhhuh.
Maybe when he gets around to dealing with the Hatch complaint he never addressed re: Condi having violated the Hatch act, flying around in gov aircraft campaigning for Bush.
Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised if Bloch used to have his own RNC email account when he was the Faith-based and community initiatives task force.
Here’s a golden oldie re: Bloch.
http://www.alternet.org/rights/22000/
His hires did their stints at Heritage Foundation and Family Research Council
He hired his son’s boarding school headmaster as a “consultant.”
Eli @ 106
Or his dog accidentally deleted it.
Some say that the White House started the internal investigation so that it could refuse to comment on or co-operate with congressional investigations. Beats me!
It is to retch.
If Bloch is a Kansas boy, then is he a protege of Roberts–or Brownback? Sounds like a Brownback sort of guy to me. Has he ever worked for Brownback’s office?
hey, earl at 142 — that last paragraph was a masterful summary of shrub’s life. mebbe we can put it on his tombstone in paraguay?
PBS in Cen FL has “Frontline” on global warming. Terrifying.
LS @ 138
It was supposed to be on in Maryland too, but when I tuned in, I got Shrub. Didn’t bother sticking around to see what that was about. [Y’know, tivo comes with that thing that will automatically record things it thinks you’ll like. Why can’t it come with a channel-surf setting that will automatically skip over channels currently airing material you don’t ever want to see?]
rwcole @ 141
From today’s Froomkin about Bush supporting Abu “But here’s the official explanation: ‘Dan Bartlett, the White House counselor, said in an interview that as far as the White House was concerned, the public was not paying much attention to the debate over Mr. Gonzales and there was a disconnect between what he termed Washington’s fascination withthe issue and the public’s interest in it.”
I first thought this was wishful thinking, but is it?
From the 2005 article linked in 143, and tieing Eli’s investigation # 1 and investigation #2 together, where would whistleblowers worried about security breaches go? To Bloch at OSC.
It’s a small world after all …
All I can say is that if the OSC starts an obvious whitewash of the WH, the public outcry will rival the firestorm after the Sat. Nite Massacre and the inquiry will suddenly acquire teeth. If this means a wholesale replacement of its personnel by real investigators, I pray that the country insists on that.
OK, so call me a cockeyed optimist…
Hi Mary4 — if the lawyers who wouldn’t move or resign didn’t sign their no-talk severance agreements, maybe Henry Our Hero should get them in front of the Committee to testify right now? Nothing like a little pre-emptive credibility chipping-away-at.
Bloch is the W appointee who’s spent his time re-writing the Fed regs to eliminate anti-gay discrimination rules, no? (Have not followed everyone’s links here, perhaps it’s mentioned therein.)
Bob in Arkansas, USA @ 118
is there a legal equivalent of spray-painting the Congressional windshield?
S.O.S. from MA @ 152
That’s what I’m hoping. It really doesn’t look good when your government investigation of whether you’ve overly politicized government… turns out to be overly politicized.
kirk murphy @ 155
Stonewall gray. Executive privilege… force it into the courts and run out the clock. DC appeals controlled by Silberman and Batelle.
S.O.S. from MA @ 153
No, I won’t.
There’s no shame in selecting a future tipping point, just because all previously predicted tipping points have failed to come to pass.
montag@65
IMO, this is why we have to get behind Iglesias, Republican-American, on this issue. He is taking the heat for all Americans on this and we should give him all props.
I’m really anxious to hear what other progressives think about this, since it seems to me we must get his back on this investigation as much as we can.
Helen @ 151
Sadly, I think Gonzales is going to be around for a while. I keep thinking back to something someone said just after Rumsfeld was fired: that every day, Bush would wake up and ask himself ‘will anything be better today if Rumsfeld goes?’ The answer was always ‘no, not really’. I think Bush is thinking the same way about Gonzales: will anything be better if he goes? No, not really, so why bother. It’s like he’s a little kid, unable to see more than a day in advance — but I guess that’s why he’s got Rove.
[Given the calculus Bush was reportedly doing on Rumsfeld, I’d love to know why the day *after* the election was the day he decided that things would be better with Rumsfeld gone. I mean, the damage had already been done … ]
A few weeks ago, Rahm Emanuel annouced a major speech to be given about Bush administration. He said it would relate USAPurge scandal to Katrina, and would be a major event at a neutral, non-partisan location.
Well, I guess it will be tomorrow at Brookings Institution:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/el…..ment_can_d
Quoting article:
His aides are billing the speech as a broad and far-reaching indictment of the GOP and the Bush administration that seeks to find a common thread in all the GOP scandals from the Attorney Purge to the Katrina failure to the mendacity that brought us the Iraq war.
That common thread: On every conceivable policy front, the administration and the GOP have placed party before country, and government has become politicized to its core. Rather than casting the administration’s manifold failings as simply the result of incompetence, Emanuel will argue that they’re really driven by nothing more than all-pervasive partisanship — the imperative of putting party before country, always, without fail.
“There is a common denominator,” Emanuel will say. “Instead of promoting solutions to our nation’s broad challenges, the Bush Administration used all the levers of power to promote their party and its narrow interests…Nothing was free from political influence.”
Teddy – yes, that’s him the alternet link(deriving from Berenstein/Boston Phoenix) is primarily about Bloch’s anti-gay issues, but adds in a general flavor of the willingness to also dismiss and close any Republican damaging investigations, while at the same time leaping to the fray against Democrats – all while purging his office. And it’s from early 2005. He’s had two more years since then.
This is far more criminal than Watergate. We’re talking about 600,000 people dead. Watergate was a simple burglary and cover-up. This is war crimes.
O/T and (eech) Bush interview on Charlies Rose right now. Asked about a Plan B, Georgie says: “Plan B is to make Plan A work.”
You may shower now.
Loo Hoo @ 163
Yeah, that is the big difference.
So, if we could get Mary appointed Chief Justice (not in this administration, obviously), would that make her Mary, Queen Of SCOTUS?
mrsmarks @ 163
That’s *much* better than his “Plan A will work because it has to” strategy.
Mary4 @ 162
Do I detect a future TSF post on this fellow? *s*
mrsmarks @ 164
Sounds like Georgie’s even been falling off his stationary bike recently….
Anna Perenna @
129
Thanks for the MoJo link, Anna Perenna. The whole article is an eye opener, but Page 4 is really a jolt- Six current whistleblowers & their fates…
mrsmarks @ 164
Is that anything like the clip from Letterman when Shrub talks about the right hand knowing what the left hand is doing, all the while waving the opposite hands?
For Eli
*g*
meep:
Because, in his tortured explanation today in front of his heliocopter, the Merkan people voted for a change. And since the Merkan people voted for a change, W picked a plan the Merkan people opposed — the SURGE, also opposed by Rummy (?) and his Generals.
Therefore, any attempts to mess with his SURGE are just politicians trying to tell the Generals to run the war based on what the Merkan people say in polls. And he won’t run a war based on what the politicians say the Merkan people want, just because the Merkan people want them (him) to.
LoudounLib @ 170
“It’s like your other right hand not knowing what your other left hand is doing.”
LS @ 138
On IFilm at Nate’s GITF:
http://getintheirface.blogspot…..ntary.html
Eli @ 174
Kinda defines Shrub’s whole life, doesn’t it?
Loo Hoo @ 163
There were lotsa Vietnamese, Cambodians, and Americans who died as a result of Watergate, if you connect the dots.
Do y’all watch Bill Maher?
Eli @ 167: “That’s *much* better than his “Plan A will work because it has to” strategy.”
Yeah, great thinking. If failure is not an option, then shouldn’t they have actually planned to avoid it?
Bill Moyers on Tavis Smiley now, talking about MSM buying into rationale for the war and the relationship between MSM and the WH.
Eli @ 166
channelling punaise
montag @ 176
And how does he do that without opposable thumbs? *g*
TeddySanFran @ 179
You never saw me at Eschaton…
Rudy’s gonna save us all from another 9/11, the way he stopped it the first time.
The last part of that senetence is no longer operative.
-GSD
Eureka Springs @ 168
Unless it’s in the WaPo, don’t count on that lazy bugger writing a post about anything.
Eli @
44
IMHLO
(1) yes, but he could do that anyway. And that would be, like their last resort…..WAY down the list after nuking Iran so everybody forgets about all this.
(2) FUCK, no.
Or, stated less colorfully, the fact that they were turned over to the OSC investigation would be absolutely no reason they could be withheld from Congress.
Ya know, if I was looking for a lawyer, it would not inspire confidence to see a diploma from the “Ave Maria Law School” on the wall. Do they specialize in Hail Mary defenses?
Veritas78 @ 185
Hey, how long did Dubya have *Gonzo* as his lawyer? The standards don’t seem all that high…
TeddySanFran @ 173: “Therefore, any attempts to mess with his SURGE are just politicians trying to tell the Generals to run the war based on what the Merkan people say in polls. And he won’t run a war based on what the politicians say the Merkan people want, just because the Merkan people want them (him) to.”
My brain just melted on the multi-directional thinking there, which means it’s probably correct …
I really think of David Iglesias as a boy scout – and per Mary upthread, OSC is the only avenue for Hatch relief – BUT in my last hour of reading about Mr Bloch – am now wondering if Iglesias filed the complaint just to throw some sunlight on this necrotic little duchy
Imagine: being the punaise of Eschaton! *g*
(Whenever I go over to see Atrios, there are about 600-jillion comments on the current thread. Are they Evelyn Wood addicts, or does no one read anyone else’s comments?)
montag @ 157
montag, i admire your succinct analyses. even when they depress me. ;)
the Federalist Society has apparently seized control of the Executive and critical areas of the Judiciary.
In all seriousness…..
1) Can the Federalist Society (or analagous entities) be prosecuted under RICO?
2) Can Federal jurists associated with such an entity be impeached for that association?
GSD @ 183
707!!!!!
Eli @ 174
Believe it or not, he is remarkably articulate and self-assured in his answers. Speaking in full sentences to boot. Gotta think he was given every question — in order — in advance.
TeddySanFran @ 189
I would usually only jump into a thread if it was fresh. If not, then I usually wouldn’t spend too much time trying to get caught up – just hopeless to try.
I have much the same approach here, actually…
Veritas78 @ 186
And that is why Monica Goodling of Ava Maria Law School chose Mr. Dowd, of Emory University, as her lawyer. She is religious, but not stupid.
Re earl @ 142 and aReader @ 161:
Picking up on your themes and Emanuel’s ‘party before country’ speech, a new DCCC political ad against Doolittle is linked by Howie at downwithtyranny, and the use of ‘mug shots’ of these guys (with only graphics and a score) is very effective, I think. There are so many more who could be added to that roll call of crime and sleaze in our country right now (in both politics and business):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..gspot.com/
Apparently, per TPM, one line that Emanuel will use tomorrow will accuse the Republicans of practicing ‘Ask what your government can do for our party’ (as opposed to JFK’s ‘Ask not what your country can do for you’). Very nice. [Though I might suggest it be modified to “Ask what our government can do for your political party.”] “Party before country” really gets them where they live.
SnarKassandra @
178
I did last Friday … needed lots of red wine to get through John & Amy playing, “I’m crazier than you!”
TSF,
I just read little bit on that diary. Rudy is basically talking to the authoritarians and he’s showing his far right/law-and-order cards.
Rudy wants to make the trains run on time. Yes, that is a reference to Mussolini.
-GSD
184 – well, from WaPo
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01725.html
And I think WaPo did the article on Bloch’s “dress for success” missive to his employees.
meep! @ 188
I know!
Are we supposed to forget W is a politician? Kinda like when he talks about “folks here in Washington”
Give it up, W.
If Americans were a carton of eggs, you couldn’t make an omlette outta those who agree with you.
If Americans were a sixpack, you couldn’t get drunk on those who agree with you.
If Americans were a dimebag, you couldn’t roll a joint outta those who agree with you.
Can they Rums-fire themselves? Like I said elsewhere, at least Nixon resigned.
Petrocelli @ 197
Is he a progressive? He didn’t have good counter arguments on abortion or on Gonzo. I can’t figure him out.
Bush, Rove and Cheney are amoral. They are the worst men ever to have disgraced the Whitehouse. Bar none….none…none…..
-GSD
Snarkassandra,
Bill Maher is sort of a contrarian. He likes to take unpopular stances for the sake of arguing in lots of instances.
He falls into the libertarian left on some issues. Moderate Republican on others. Always very secular on religious matters.
But he is witty even though he doesn’t seem to do a lot of research on topics he discusses.
I still do enjoy him.
-GSD
GSD @ 204
Why is he allowed to swear on TV?
MelodyMaker @ 201
They seem to think they have fired us.
Oh yeah – they have.
Silly me.
[For a second there, I forgot about Ohio and Florida]
yeah. Maher pisses me off when he talks way too generally about Muslims.
Snarky-C:
Bill Maher might be a progressive, but he is also a sexist. Mostly, he’s a comedian who likes his ratings. He’s an anti-establishmentarian. He’s very good at going on other people’s shows (Olbermann, Stewart, et al.) and being a boring guest.
Also, he *dated* Ann Coulter.
GSD @ 203
My understanding of Maher (which is, admittedly, mostly secondhand) is that he’s kind of a sexist asshole, but one who really, *really* hates George W. Bush.
SnarKassandra @
202
May your precious eyes never read his tripe on National Review. Just because his accent sounds intellectual (like that twit, Hitchens of Vanity Fare), he seems to fool people into thinking he is smart.
The way he (and Bill Maher) criticized the British Seamen who were captured by Iran, was pitiful.
Maybe “hates” isn’t the right word, but he sure as hell thinks Dubya’s a worthless idiot.
kirk murphy @ 206
Ooh. where did I read that. TPM?
kirk murphy @ 191
Depresses me, too. No shit.
1) If there’s a prosecutor out there who could put that case together, he/she would have to be Einstein reincarnated. For RICO to be invoked, I think, there has to be an underlying crime. Proving that on the part of the organization would be near-impossible.
2) Again, I don’t think anyone could do it. If we start impeaching people for their judicial philosophy, might as well pack it all in and start over (and I don’t think we’re ready for anarchy with all these fuckin’ guns around).
These guys like power, so it’s not quite like proving they took a bribe. It’s all perfectly legal. And with a Congress like we’ve had, who’s going to impeach any of them for, say, judicial misconduct (failure to recuse on the part of Scalia and Thomas in 2000, for example).
The real problem here is that the real power elite among the right wing have a mafia-like sense of omerta. They don’t talk. About what they do, or about each other, and they lie, for what they believe are good reasons. The singlemost common attribute between Watergate, Iran-Contra and the current crop of crooks is their belief that the end (absolute power) justify the means–always. All else follows from that.
Yeah, I know. Depressing. The only hope is still an educated public. Jefferson was dead nuts about that one.
It appears obvious that federal whistleblowers absolutely need some non-Executive Branch protections to be enacted by Congress. This OSC route is a pathetic and wholly inadequate safeguard for those public servants with a conscience, it’s clear. I don’t know the details of the latest whistleblower package to pass the House, but this process needs serious overhaul, with some creative thinking behind it. [Unless we want to leave it up to the 54,000 “reporters” (who want to be exempted from testifying to federal grand juries) to protect the whistleblowers by keeping their identities secret. To me, however, that reporter shield law approach to the whistleblower crisis means jumping from the frying pan into the fire.]
Snarky-C: good Maher (there’s swearing)
Hey Everybody!
Interesting article on Bush and war.
http://suzieqq.wordpress.com/2…..ur-troops/
Snarkassandra @ 202
Sorry, you were asking about Maher, … Bill is a Libertarian, which I guess means, “… criticize everyone whenever possible and say “Bong” many times to show how cool you are …” *g*
I really like Bill actually, if for no other reason than he stirs up debate.
Yikes. I hate to go O/T again, but have to give a nod to tonight’s earlier thread, “The Harpy Redux,” having just checked in to the NYT’s opinion pieces for tomorrow and found MoDo with her blades aimed at another woman.
Target: Michelle Obama.
Here’s the lead:
And so on.
Way OT, but after a long awful day…those pigies are sure sweet, with their little orange feet.
o/t kinda
Josh/TPM finds link btw Renzi and USA Scandal
TPM
Re: party before country
Recall John DiIulio and his incredible comments way back in 2000:
“There is no precedent in any modern White House for what is going on in this one: a complete lack of a policy apparatus,” says DiIulio. “What you’ve got is everything—and I mean everything—being run by the political arm. It’s the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis.”
…
DiIulio defines the Mayberry Machiavellis as political staff, Karl Rove and his people, “who consistently talked and acted as if the height of political sophistication consisted in reducing every issue to its simplest black-and-white terms for public consumption, then steering legislative initiatives or policy proposals as far right as possible. These folks have their predecessors in previous administrations (left and right, Democrat and Republican), but in the Bush administration, they were particularly unfettered.”
Here’s the entire Ron Suskind article:
http://www.ronsuskind.com/news…..00032.html
Clusterfuck’s continuous speeches and interviews about Iraq are hopeless and he knows it. He just does it to let goopers know that he hasn’t given up- but the last person to be convinced by one of his speeches was put into a straitjacket in a mental institution years ago.
People are no longer open to being convinced on this fuckin war- they’re either fer it- cause they wanna dance with the war that brung em- or they’re sane and they hate it.
pow wow @ 213
It should be obvious that the recourse for executive branch whistleblowers should be *outside* the executive branch. Or, failing that, very carefully guarded against partisan influence.
TeddySanFran @ 208
Ding Ding Ding – I think he’s a pretty huge sexist, too. And he did *date* Ann Coulter, but he talks about her so funnily that he does make me laugh. All in all, given that everyone and his/her mother spins, he’s pretty straight forward.
LooHoo, line 1. LooHoo?
Helen @ 224
Is he gay? How can he date Coulter?
Bill Screwed Annie? For real? No wonder he’s always in a bad mood.
McCain is going to be on TDS with Jon Stewart. The tide is turning, the crowd booed when Jon announced McCain will be on later.
TeddySF @ 200: “I know! Are we supposed to forget W is a politician? Kinda like when he talks about “folks here in Washington”.”
Unfortunately, the 33percenters love his mumble-y speech, mangled words and scatter-shot phrasing. They think it shows that he’s a down-home boy.
“Give it up, W. If Americans were a carton of eggs, you couldn’t make an omlette outta those who agree with you.”
Well, there *are* (unfortunately), all those 33percenters out there. I often wonder if these are the folks that I just never seem to meet — y’know, the ones who think the Sun revolves around the Earth, and that you have to change your money and go through Customs when travelling to Hawaii and New Mexico …
Ugh!! Shrub Senior on Charlie Rose and I think I just answered the ‘can my stomach handle it’ question. Shrub’s voice is nails on a blackboard to me (I have gotten *incredibly* good at the mute button over the years), and daddy’s voice is too similar to junior’s. Guess I’ll have to switch over to the
police blotterlocal news.rwcole @ 226
Maybe it was, like, an experiment or something.
rwcole @ 227
Well, the word was “date.” That might just mean they got drunk together.
Don’t recall mention of dinner and a movie.
GSD @ 203
Probably EPU-ville here, but bravo GSD.
Eli @
26
It may be the first gauge measuring whether this investigation is real or not.
Kinda like screwin a box a rocks- sharp ones.
SnarKassandra @
225
And the “snark of the night” award goes to …(drum roll) … C-A-S-S-I-E
late night is on!!!!!!
Eli: “My understanding of Maher (which is, admittedly, mostly secondhand) is that he’s kind of a sexist asshole, but one who really, *really* hates George W. Bush.”
And, according to TeddySF, he also hates himself (*Coulter*? **Coulter**??!!)
Balrog @ 232
Iglesias getting smeared is going to be a given. The question is whether *Bloch* will.
Ding Ding Ding – I think he’s a pretty huge sexist, too. And he did *date* Ann Coulter, but he talks about her so funnily that he does make me laugh. All in all, given that everyone and his/her mother spins, he’s pretty straight forward.
Is he gay? How can he date Coulter?
And the “snark of the night” award goes to …(drum roll) … C-A-S-S-I-E
Thank you, thank you!!
excellent.
i offer what little i know,
or might be willing to guess
is going on — as to the bloch/
rove matter here.
montag @ 231
Yeah – he describes their *date* which I will not do her cuzza Cassie; but it’s damn funny.
Maybe Bill is angry allatime because he still needs to use mercurochrome on his wee-wee from the encounter..
SnarKassandra @
205
His show is on HBO, a premium cable channel. They can say whatever the heck they want.
-GSD
OT – Jon Stewart is showing a debate between “First Term Bush” and “Second Term Bush” Pretty funny, and sad all at the same time
Helen @ 241
No tv, so, haven’t had the opportunity to hear that. Does it fall into the category of Maher claiming he was just collecting comedy material, or was this just Maher kissing and telling? *shudder*
montag @ 245
I’ll tell you when I am leaving.
Re: Bill Maher, Mrs. Balrog and I try really hard to laugh at his monologues. But most often we just can’t.
Contrast with Stewart and Colbert, in which we laugh no matter what.
I believe it has a lot to do with delivery. Johnny Carson was a master at making people laugh at even dud jokes due to his ability to work the audience. Maher doesn’t have it.
That, and his writers are lame 90% of the time.
montag @ 245
Kissin’ and Tellin’. It was so off the cuff, I laughed till I cried.
Balrog @ 247
There is a Mrs. Balrog?????
SnarKassandra @ 248
I bet she’s really hot.
SnarKassandra @ 249
Once again, and within a matter of 5 minutes of winning her first, Cassie wins her second snark award.
Anyone know what the ‘career staff’ situation at the OSC is like after Bloch’s manipulations? The L.A. Times is reporting various criticisms of the OSC investigation as a whitewash. “A spokesman waved away the complaints, saying agency staffers have already begun to form an internal task force, led in part by career staff”.
Eli @ 250
Eli gets honorable mention, but only because of timing!!
Trex is upstairs..
Everyone knew it but me.
Helen are you my fan club???
These are today’s topics on my/our blog if you’re interested:
# Mexico City Legalizes Early-Term Abortion!
# Lethal Injection is Torture, Study Shows
# Equal Pay Day
# Gay rights stances by Democratic frontrunners
# Democrats challenge Bush on Iraq Bill
# Obama’s Foreign Policy
# Remote Diagnosis (BY CASSIE)
# College Students are (Still) Getting Left Behind, and They’re Getting Sold
SnarKassandra @ 255
Cassie – for real, I wish that when I was your age I was as smart and assertive as you – and I was your age a LONG time ago. You are going far, darling, trust me. Just keep on doing what you’re doing
GSD @ 243
This is the Internet. You can say frick. Maher is funny sometimes like Russert is evocative sometimes.
Actually, if you reverse the two, … nevermind/
SnarKassandra @
255
We all support you and your family, sweetie.
This bit of discouraging news on Investigation #2″
The problem is whether Bush appointee Scott J. Bloch, who heads the Office of Special Counsel,
will conduct a real investigation, or a white-wash.
I haven’t read all the way through the comments, so this is something of a drive-by, but I did check the thread and no one has mentioned Leopold yet.
Sorry, gotta run; will check back later.
Bob in HI
Sorry I’m late to the party, Eli, great post! What I hadn’t noticed in the thread, was the fact that OSC is Not, I repeat, Not an investigatory entity for Criminal investigations!!! It can only recommend Administrative actions! My apologies to anyone who has mentioned this up-thread, but, I felt it must be mentioned!!! It’s still Waxman’s ball of wax(snark!)!!!
I am in the camp that believes Bloch is an instrument of cover-up and a Rove tool. I also believe whatever evidence he will be given to make public (like RNC email) will be placed out of reach by Congressional investigation.
It is time for Rove to be taken down, but Bloch is not the one who will star in “Taming of the Shrewd.”
Do you really believe a far right guy like Bloch is going to get the goods on Rove? This is the first blush of an official whitewash.
Bloch’s “investigation” is a typical cover-up similar to the Schlesinger investigation on abu Ghraib, or the SEVEN investigations so far on the death of Pat Tillman. It’s only utility is in identifying which issues for which the Bush administration feels a desperate need to cover up.