
No one ever accused the Defense Department of having a highly developed sense of irony. But we should expect our military leaders to know their war history. Somehow, though, I don't remember this coming up during General David Petraeus' confirmation hearings on Capitol Hill:
"They've been doing it in Florida, and the old people seem to like it," joked the platoon's leader, Sgt. 1st Class Charles Schmitt, 37, as he watched his team create the public entrance to the new gated community. If there were ever a place that defied the tidy and tranquil image suggested by that term, it is Ghazaliyah.
If there were ever a place that defied the tidy and tranquil image? Well, certainly Poland and Germany defied the tidy and tranquil image, but military planners then didn't have the charming term we do nowadays:
BAGHDAD — The U.S. military is walling off at least 10 of Baghdad's most violent neighborhoods and using biometric technology to track some of their residents, creating what officers call "gated communities" in an attempt to carve out oases of safety in this war-ravaged city.
Perhaps the analogy to Poland and Germany is strained.
In some sealed-off areas, troops armed with biometric scanning devices will compile a neighborhood census by recording residents' fingerprints and eye patterns and will perhaps issue them special badges, military officials said.
Or maybe not so strained. SPECIAL BADGES? Where have SPECIAL BADGES been used before to compile a census in sealed-off areas? Oh, well, surely the Iraqi military thinks this is a good idea, or our military leaders would not have included it in their SURGE planning.
Many of the Iraqi soldiers nodded. But not Maj. Hathem Faek Salman, who fears the barriers are more likely to anger residents than shut out violence. "This is not a good plan," Salman, 40, had said before the meeting. "If my region were closed by these barriers, I would hate the army, because I would feel like I was in a big jail. . . . If you want to make the area secure and safe, it is not with barriers. We have to win the trust of the people."
What war is this Iraqi Major fighting, anyway? Not the war to win the trust of THIS fellow:
Abdullah rose, turned toward the blank white wall and sketched an invisible picture of the area with his hands. He pointed left, to Bakriyah. And a few feet right, to the checkpoint. "It will take two hours to get from here to here!" he said.
And what did our USArmy Lieutenant say to that?
Rae simply nodded and said, "Security is the key."
Has anyone yet asked WarHawk Joe Lieberman if he supports this particular part of General Petraeus' plan for the people of Baghdad? Does it remind RGJoe of any plan he's heard of before?
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Yeah Teddy!
Guess I’ll have to go downstairs.
BRB.
Can anyone name a place where walls have succeeded for anything other than the short term?
For some sad reason the phrase ‘Like shooting fish in a barrel ‘ comes to mind
Badwater @
3
No.
Another example of simple answers for simple questions. :})
Breaking – David Halberstam dies in a car crash. Just heard it on MSNBC.
Wikipedia:
“Plans to isolate the Jewish population of Warsaw and its nearby suburbs in a ghetto first circulated immediately after the German occupation of Poland in 1939. At the time, the German administration of the General Government had not been fully organized, and there were conflicting interests among the three major players: the civilian administration, the military, and the SS. Under these circumstances, the Jewish Council, or Judenrat, headed by Adam Czerniakw, was able to delay the establishment of the Ghetto by one year, mainly by appealing to the military to consider how Jews were a valuable labor resource. The Jewish were rounded up and just allocated a scrubby flat and given little food.”
Now people are going to move out of Disney’s “Celebration” to come to Bagdad——it’s nirvana in the desert!
All this and much much more for Cheneys oil. (Hey California, how is that 4.00 per gallon of gas working out for ya?)
We are an evil country for doing this.
The Israeli governmant has been attempting wall off the Palestinians for years.
A “special” census?
I’ll bet those in the ghetto felt oh so “special” to know they were on a list.
One deadly blunder after another.
OT – Tweety is being his usual a**hole self on Laurie David/Sheryl Crow v. KKKarl Rove.
dakine –
How so, if you don’t mind telling? Does Tweety think Rove was a veritable Miss Manners?
[I ain’t putting Tweety Bird on today. Only so much I can handle. Keith, on the other hand, goes on our set 20 minutes from now.]
Gee…..gated communities are the latest craze in California.
When we leave, as we must, these areas will become abbatoirs. It’s almost as if we are enabling the ethnic cleansing to come….
Here’s my letter to my Senators today:
Mrs. K8 @ 14
Me two. I refuse to watch him anymore (or buy their advertising products if I can help it).
Why doesn’t our government just put walls, etc. around the oil fields?
Eureka Springs @ 9
Not very well. We are paying more for everything we buy because the transportation costs are factored in. Cheney is an evil bastard who will most certainly occupy the brightest flame in hell.
LoudounLib @ 6
Oh crap. And to think, I was just about to compare the “gated communities” euphemism to “strategic hamlets”…one of the brain children of Halberstam’s best and brightest.
I’ve been noodling about the symbology of walls for awhile. Israel, Saudi Arabia on the border with Iraq, U.S. on southern border, to name just 3 of the many. I’ve finally figured it out in one word: FAILURE.
Walls have helped a lot in the Green Zone, haven’t they? (snark)
LoudounLib @ 6
That’s so sad.
I met him when he supported a candidate whose USSenate campaign I ran in Virginia. I picked Halberstam up at Dulles Airport and drove all the way to McLean with the seat-belt buzzer blaring, as he refused to buckle up. I thought of this long-ago incident (very unnerving for one who was raised to always buckle-up!) only ten days ago just after Jon Corzine’s crash.
How odd.
Badwater @ 3
Troy.
Of course, that was based on knowing all the Greeks were *outside* of the walls.
LS –
That’s right — we have to take care of our own blood pressure now.
Because if we DIDN’T we might have to rely on all those wonderful new drugs from Big Pharma, which have received the blessing of the FDA, that noble governmental institution which has nothing but our best interests at heart (not to mention the best interests of our pets!).
;-)
Mrs. K8 @
14
Nah, he was just playing the “what do these hollywood types think goes on at these dinners? How dare they bring up policy while table hopping. ”
FYI, Keith is also supposed to do something on the WHCA dinner.
Maybe we could send over our best grafitti artists. Spruce up the place a little.
Mrs. K8 @ 25
It’s for everyone’s own good dontcha know..
The Shiites welcome this advancement to make the coming genocide of the hated Sunni all that much more efficient.
Phule @ 29
Maliki is shia, and he said to dismantle it.
Dear Anonymous Mod of the Collusion thread: I spotted your note after the comments closed there, but want you to know that your helpful edits are not just satisfactory, they are very much appreciated. Thank you. The Rendon Group of John Walter Rendon, Jr., husband of Scooter Libby’s sister Sandra, deserves full credit for the taxpayer-financed manufactured fraud that is the “Iraqi National Congress,” and your edit of my error helped to make that clear.
Here’s an informative article by James Bamford about The Rendon Group and its “perception management” propaganda tactics that target the American people (and that helped lead us into the sickening fiasco that TeddySF dissects above):
http://www.commondreams.org/he…..118-10.htm
Why, what do you mean? I think this is great, and I personally can’t wait until Dear Leader comes into my neighborhood and I get my stinkin’ badge! I can see the billboards now: “Coming Soon to a Neighborhood near you! Complete safety against evildoers.”
I mean, who could complain about that, unless you’re an evildoer (as defined by…who again?)
Eureka Springs @ 9
It’s wonderful to participate directly in this year’s record oil company profits. Unlike Bush, I don’t have an MBA. However, it seems like when the price of oil goes up, the profits of the oil companies goes up. Somehow, their costs don’t change much. I can’t help feeling scammed. Real Mission Accomplished!
Mrs. K8 @ 25
But, but, but, if you’d just exercise those drugs wouldn’t be necessary there would be no high blood pressure.
Perhaps the analogy to Poland and Germany is strained.
are you hinting that we should get with the pogrom? didn’t think so.
As I think about it, MAYBE Hadrian’s Wall and the Great Wall of China served their designed purpose for a far amount of time. But those were both MUCH larger and longer walls than anything we have dealt with in the past two millenia.
If the walls don’t work, and they won’t, what then?
Oh, how horrible. Halberstam’s death was so like my story. A student was driving him after he spoke somewhere. My heart goes out to this young person.
My rant to my paper today about Pissy Boy:
__________
President Bush now excoriates “politicians in Washington who are substituting their own judgment for that of our generals in Iraq.”
Had the War President/Decider taken his own advice at the outset of his inexorably failing Iraq misadventure, things might have turned out favorably. The “politicians in Washington” comprising his own inner circle of invasion architects, however, had no problem in 2003 “substituting their own judgment for that of our generals.” The tragic and criminally incompetent net result is plain for all to see.
_
TeddySanFran @ 23
That is VERY sad. I don’t understand the reluctance of people to do a very simple thing which will prevent them from becoming victims of the horrible results of the laws of physics — like being jammed through a windshield or being thrown clear from a vehicle.
[The attitude in Europe is so very different different — none of that “well, it only effects ME” business. They say, it does TOO effect me — your being a paraplegic for the rest of your life effects MY insurance rates and health care taxes. We’re all in this together, is much more the attitude there.]
pow wow @ 31
Whaaatttt????? I give up. No, I do not. We are the ultimate target, I’m afraid. They are fighting us here, now.
Good people, sorry to intrude again. This link was just posted at Eschaton: thought you might need to read this as well. OMG!
http://www.thecoveherald.com/page3.html
Oklahoma kiddo @ 37
I’m not sure but I’d start with a real leader, not a cheerleader, as President.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 37
Bowling allies. Tweety said that we tried those during VN.
Other walls:
U.S. forts in Indian Country. Think Custer moving his troops out from his fort to protect the USA.
Mexican-USA border fence to stop migration from Mexico to USA and back.
Isreal-Palestine concrete border wall.
Wasn’t there a reichwing-planted story about a year ago, about the Iranians requiring “badges” for Jews in Tehran, for their protection? The wingnuts got all in a froth about it, and then it was debunked as a mistranslation, or something.
I wonder whether this new BADGES story has caught their attention.
DWD @ 42
OMG is right! That’s just crazy!
DWD @ 42
All purple hearts from the Vietnam war were made suspect thanks to the Republic’s campaign against John Kerry.
Walls is a bad idea. Is that really the best they could come up with?
I want a badge, and I want it to read:
“Hey, long, tall, Texan (not), you ain’t the law. We the People are the law”.
Yeah, “strategic hamlets” are all the rage.
Yer freedoms serve at the pleasure of the President, doncha know?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0P-…..mp;search=
DWD @ 42
Geebus…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 37
Another Friedman Unit.
Georgesimian @ 49
And did Petraeus talk about this part of the SURGE plan at his confirmation? I do not recall it being raised. This idea seems new and shiny (well, this APPLICATION of this idea seems new and shiny…)
Georgesimian @ 49
Have you forgotten? Republics are still in charge of the military.
Mrs K8 @ 40 says:
I’ve forgotten whose show it was but I remember a few years ago that Alan Dershowitz was debating the seat-belt and motorcycle helmet laws with someone and that was his point totally. As best I can remember, he was saying,”Fine. You don’t have to wear your seatbelt and/or helmet. So I’ll assume that you’re willing to pay the far higher insurance rates to cover the increased health care needs aafter you’re crippled in the accident.” Although I think the reality is, the lack of helmet pretty much assures it’s a closed casket in most cases.
Georgesimian @ 49
Next they will dig a moat….oh wait, too late.
Phule @ 57
Yes! Fill it with burning oil!
Are these walls mentioned in Petraeus’ wonderful counterinsurgency manual? Are they mentioned in Fred Kagan’s excellent American Enterprise Institute SURGE Plan? Are they part of the Iraq Study Group unanimity?
Are they just pulling ideas outta their ass?
Phule @ 57
Yeah! Whatever happened to the moat?
LS @
50
LS, LS is you da law?
LS @ 30
Maliki is a dead man walking. The Shiite Death Squads are already licking their chops.
Hmmmm. Walls and all this hi-tech stuff. Could this be coming soon to a theater near you? Probably, if Butcher Bush has his way.
Somewhat OT- Bill Moyers’ Buying the War on PBS this Wed. night:
Buying the War
From the Bill Moyers Journal’s preview:
How the administration marketed the war to the American people has been well covered, but critical questions remain: How and why did the press buy it, and what does it say about the role of journalists in helping the public sort out fact from propaganda?
Bummer. KO not on Countdown tonight.
dakine01 @ 61
I ride a big white horse…;}
How about we get them all Directv with Tivo? That would make a lot of them really happy. They could watch Iraqi Idol and their own version of 24 and just forget all about this silly war. And it would save us a lot of money and aggrevation. It’s probably cheaper than this wall idea, anyway.
9 U.S soldiers killed in IED atack on patrol base near tikrit.
Breaking banner on MSNBC TV, under Chimp’s blather: Nine US soldiers killed by IED in Tikrit.
Ick.
I had been determined to avoid Georgie today (again, in the interest of my health), and now Georgie is shown on Countdown. Aaargh.
LS @ 60 says:
And most of the folks here have no clue whatsoever where we’re coming from with this…
I swear, if I hear Shrub say “a artificial” one more time….
Georgesimian @ 67
Funny you should say that. I was in Haiti some years ago, and I was walking by a mud hut, on a muddy street, and I glanced over at the hut, and they were watching satellite TV!! I kid you not, their town didn’t even have telephone service.
Badwater @ 58
Lemmington VS. the
Ants!Iraqis!Talk, talk, talk. People die. Cut off the funding.
dakine01 @ 71
And most of the folks here have no clue whatsoever where we’re coming from with this…
It’s from the song, Long Tall Texan.
LoudounLib @ 72
every time he starts in murdering the English language, you can be extra sure you are receiving the supersized portion of bullshit.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 75
WORD!!
DO IT NOW!
dakine01 @ 71
And most of the folks here have no clue whatsoever where we’re coming from with this…
Kingsmen. 1965.
LS, to continue the theme:
LS LS is that yore horse?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 75
What, and give Republicans the chance to do this again?
The whole poisonous shrubbery needs to be uprooted out of this government lest it grow back again.
The legislative branch holds the purse strings. And we know it. Damn it!
LS @ 76
It’s from the song, Long Tall Texan.
I’m old enough to remember it well. Multiple versions even.
Bustednuckles @ 4
I suspect that’s precisely the point.
Terrific post, Teddy! Congratulations for being above of the fold! May there be many more such posts!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 82
And it will do little good to kill this illegal war if it allows the GOP to bullshit the public into another one.
It all has to go. Lock, stock and barrel.
Instead of walls, they should have one of those indoor water parks, like they have in Japan, with waves and everything. That would relieve a lot of the stress and be fun too. And I bet it would be cheaper than building these walls.
So what do these “SPECIAL BADGES” look like? Anything like this?
“Hegel remarks somewhere that history tends to repeat itself. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.”
– Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumiare of Louis Bonaparte (1852)
TeddySanFran @
23
Who is he?
So don’t fund the starting of unprovoked wars.
Or they could build underground tunnels and people could live in the tunnels and be safe from the chaos and murder above.
By Lyle Lovett:
Well I’m a long tall Texan
I wear a ten-gallon hat
(He rides from Texas wearing a ten-gallon hat)
Yes I’m a long tall Texan
I wear a ten-gallon hat
(He rides from Texas wearing a ten-gallon hat)
Well people look at me and they say
Is that your hat
(He rides from Texas wearing a ten-gallon hat)
Well I’m a long tall Texan
I ride a big white horse
(He rides from Texas on a big white horse)
Yes I’m a long tall Texan
I ride a big white horse
(He rides from Texas on a big white horse)
Well people look at me and they say
Is that your horse
(He rides from Texas on a big white horse)
Well I was walking down the street
With my shiny badge
My spurs jingling there at my feet
I seen a man a’coming
Coming with a gun and
I just can’t be beat
Yes I’m a long tall Texan
I enforce justice for the law
(He rides from Texas to enforce the law)
Well I’m a long tall Texan
I enforce justice for the law
(He rides from Texas to enforce the law)
Well people look at me and they say
Is you the law
(He rides from Texas to enforce the law)
Well I’m a long tall Texan
Yes I’m a long tall Texan
My snark was that Bush thinks he’s from Texas…and thinks he’s the law.
thanks, Kairos. It’s nice to be hear with you all right now, as I am a little shook up about this Halberstam story.
And this Alison person subbing for Keith is rather too flippant for my taste.
Rachel Maddow on Countdown now! Yay! Why doesn’t she get the Imus a.m. show instead of Smerconish?
Loo Hoo –
David Halberstam
Eureka Springs @
27
The best grafitti artists reside in Spain. They are unbelievable!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 18
Hey! What if they were to wall of the U.S. military someplace and leave the whole rest of the country for the Iraqis!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 89
And if wishes were fishes, we’d all eat free from the sea.
If you don’t destroy the infrastructure, it comes back sooner or later.
How about they give everyone their own body armor, so if they get bombed, they might live? You could probably buy everyone in Baghdad their own body armor for the price of one day of this stupid war. I know, I know, they haven’t even bought enough body armor for our own troops. Where did all that trillion dollars go?
Loo Hoo @ 94
You need some that can do Arabic grafiti.
Georgesimian @ 97
So instead of thousands of dead civilians, we get thousands of civilians with brain injuries missing their nose, eyes, arms, legs and what have you?
When they finish building these walls, are they going to report it as good news that they finally built something with all our trillion dollars that we spent on this war? Cause you know they don’t report any of that good news.
Dakine01 71,
D’Oh..;}
This is just TOO Funny!
Vietnam wrote all the idioms these idiots…
eg; “Military intelligence” – the Oxymoron of the decade – 1965-1975…
You can’t make this shit up! You can’t.
The really funny part is that these military geniuses see nothing wrong with these braniac ideas….
I like the idea of the next Dem President appointing Bill Clinton as sort of “U.S. Ambassador to the World”.
I just don’t want that President to be Hillary Clinton.
ABH
Wishes? Okaaay.
jayt @ 103
I can see that.
Think she just wants him out of the White House?
Georgesimian @
86
Well, if they could ever get the oil up & running, they could do shit like this with all the money!
Our friend Jeffrey Feldman is on the wall story as well:
A little late for that, I believe.
The good news coming out of Iraq today is that we just built some walls! No, not school walls. Just, you know, walls. We built these walls in the middle of the street, isn’t that awesome! It used to be that if you wanted to cross the street, you could just cross the street, but now, you have to go around a wall. And we didn’t even have to raise your taxes to build it, or paint it this wonderful grey color. And they said the surge wouldn’t work.
tbsa @ 68
No one from the Bush family was killed, wounded, inconvenienced, or even forced to remain sober so I doubt that this news holds much interest to Republics.
There is much better Democratic presidential timber that Hillary, or Obama.
Georgesimian @ 86
How about an indoor ski area? We could have put the whole country under glass with artificial snow for the cost of the war.
Long Tall Texan by Henry Strzelecki; first recorded by the Kingsmen way back in 1963. On the same album with “Louie Louie.”
Texas Betsy @ 98
Didn’t the Spaniards used to do Arabic once upon a time?
eCAHNomics @ 112
It would have been cheaper to pay the Iraqis to fight their own war. Probably more effective too.
eCAHNomics @ 112
But then how would the Bush family and all their cronies have made money on it?
DWD @
42
The president said he didn’t think he earned it!
Sicko.
Marie Roget @ 64
An update in the Moyers’ preview post @ No Quarter from SusanUnPC-
“NOTE: I’ve updated this below the fold with a very sharp review of “Buying The War.” PBS’s own Frontline and Newshour are criticized. Even Oprah! And there’s a list of those who refused to be interviewed.”
LoudounLib @
72
One of my grammer hot buttons too.
OT but I cannot help but notice how the VT story has been dropped like a hot potato across the networks today.
whew
Where are these US gated communities that have 12 foot high concrete walls?
Where are these US gated communities that have been imposed upon the residents?
Where are these US gated communities where the population is, in effect, imprisoned against their will “for their own good” behind 12 foot walls, in such a way that their ability to get from “here” to “there” is now impeded?
Please tell me where they are!
I really don’t believe they exist like that in the US!
Now if they could just build a wall around New Orleans…
/snark
http://www.bloggingneworleans.com/
I voted for the large Dog twice. But I’m weary of the Clintons.
Maybe those walled off Iraqi’s could get a job here:
http://www.thepalm.ae/
Loo Hoo @ 117
In 2004, Republics showed that no one ever earns purple hearts.
Speaking of walls, I was in Berlin the weekend before monetary union. Picked up my own pieces of the wall-not too big because & was in the middle of a business trip & would have to cart them to several more cities. It was really thrilling, being that close to history changing. Only to be reversed now. Never thought I’d see the day that the U.S. would sink so low.
When I first saw this idea of “gated communities” on HuffPo several months ago, I commented, “Gated communities my ass! More like concentration camps. Sounds like the beginnings of a Sunni cleansing effort to me.” For some reason, my comment went up and then promptly came down. In fact the story was taken off the site within an hour or so. All the other comments were harsh like mine and in the same vein.
It’s an f’ing shame what we have done to that country and its people. It’s no wonder the rest of the world hates us. Hopefully, soon we will be able to earn back some legitimacy.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 104
We’re in Iraq until Bush is removed from office or the Military mutinies.
Everything else is just looking for Ponies.
Are we all gonna be here Thursday at 7pm Eastern for some Democratic Debate live-blogging?
LS @
91
Actually by a gentleman named Henry Strzelecki
Recorded by The Kingmans, 1963, Beach Boys, and John Denver as well as Lyle.
Pushback coming from the New England Journal of Medicine:
U.S. Supreme Court Abortion Ruling Denounced in Medical Journal
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/…..p;refer=us
The thing you have to ask yourself about any wall as a defensive device is this: can it be supported??. If it is attacked, can it be backed up by a sufficient reserve of troops, quickly enough to matter?
Walls are like any other sort of defensive barricade: they are a force multiplier. If the quantity you’re multiplying isn’t sufficient after that multiplication is done, then your defensive strategy is bankrupt from the git-go.
Multiply zero by anything you please. The result will still be zero.
Remember the Bar-Lev forts along the Suez? Failures. The Israelis expected them to hold, apparently, without reinforcements close at hand.
Hadrian’s Wall cut right across England at a fairly narrow point. It was less than 75 miles long, and was supported both by a ready legionary reserve behind and intelligence elements forward. Luttwak discussed it in some detail in The Grand Strategy of the Roman Empire. It was quite successful.
The Great Wall of China was over 4000 miles long, an off-and-on project of several dynasties, and had a much more checkered operational history. But then, if you have the opportunity to study a fortification 4000 miles long, for generations, you WILL find an undefended weak point. Probably quite a few of them. Properly garrisoning a 4000 mile strategic fortification, dynasty in, dynasty out, isn’t going to be possible past the first internal war.
The Romans found this out on the Rhine-Danube frontier around AD 244. The hard way, of course.
The farce in Iraq has already met with resistance from Nuri al-Maliki, who is supposed to be the American puppet PM!! And as the the American ability to support the wall … well, one of the spoilsports here present has already mentioned the track record of the Green Zone. Need I say more?
From Bush’s speech…
“Those Democrats want our walls to fail! The majority of Americans understand the importance of walls. I have a wall around my ranch in Crawford and I love it. Keeps the protesters out. The Democrats are going to have to understand that if we do not build these walls, the terrorist are get us.”
Phule @ 115
Ahem. Where’s the profit for Halliburton & Blackwater in that? And how would we get our oil that happens to be under their soil if we let them fight it out?
eCAHNomics @ 126
Strikes me as particularly tragic, considering W’s supposed admiration for Saint President “Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall” Ray-gun.
Badwater @ 116
Halliburton could build it.
TeddySanFran @ 129
Working that day until 7, but I’ll be hurrying home just as fast as I can in DC traffic!
1,495 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Oklahoma kiddo and the Firepups:
“There is much better Democratic presidential timber that(sic) Hillary or Obama.”
Gore, Edwards, Richardson and my dog,Spot ta start with…as far as “timber” Obama’s too green (and I don’t trust ‘im) and Mrs. Clinton is too old and rotten.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T BET THE FIRST CARD YA SEE!!
Georgesimian @ 133
Oklahoma kiddo @ 123
Clinton fatigue, to paraphrase 41.
coming soon to a cimema near you:
The Walls of Others.
Perhaps hard questions will be asked during the up coming Demo prez debate.
Dakine01 130,
You’re right, I grabbed off a Lyle Lovett site. He recorded it but didn’t write it.
eCAHNomics @ 134
The same way they’ve always done it. Buy off the winners.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 142
But prol’ly not.
LS @ 143
I think there are actually more versions than were listed on the site I found on der google.
NorskeFlamethrower @ 138
;0)
dakine01 @ 146
Mr. LS played lead guitar on a version of it on Pauline Reese’s, “Too Texas”, and it just won Texas Music Awards Album of the Year.
I recall reading the Weekly Reader at McEachron Elementary School in Topeka in the early 1960’s, when the issue of building walls was clearly un-American and evil. And I’ve always believed it. “Something there is that does not love a wall” was how John Kennedy’s poet put it and that’s what I learned and believed and took to heart as a good American kid.
Now, this. I don’t even understand this country anymore. It’s beyond my comprehension as a citizen that it’s US that’s building the wall now.
1,495 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Firepup Patriots:
If you want to get out of Iraq before ‘09 and keep Mrs. Clinton from becomin’ President, then there is no alternative to impeachment…first Darth Cheney and then Clusterfuck. We also insure that we kill the fascist movement because a president Gore will make sure that special prosecutors finish the job Fitz and Carol Lam started.
KEEP THE FAITH AND HIT ‘EM AGAIN AND AGAIN UNTIL THEY CRAWL BACK UNDER THE BRIDGE (THEN BOMB THE BRIDGE)!!
dakine01 @ 145
This is worrisome. These so called debates don’t remind me of ‘real debates’. Like in the old days.
In Reno they have graffiti squads: little municipal work trucks that travel around with different colors of paint to match various walls, bridges, and signs. They cover the graffiti to help keep property values up. Lots of walls there protecting many different housing developments from McCarran Blvd traffic. Getting more and more gated communities, too.
Dana Milbank wants to feel sorry for Rove. On Olbermann.
From Bush’s speech…
“Democrats have to get their priorities straight. Building walls in Iraq will bring us closer to victory in Iraq. Fixing our public transportation system isn’t going to make us safer against 9/11 terrorists. Repairing our nations bridges isn’t going to get us where we need to be in Iraq. I’ve studied all the options, and the only option that gives us victory is building these walls in the middle of the street.”
Georgesimian @ 154
Okaaayyy….
Milan River @
152
A prime aspect of Giuliani as mayor was getting rid of graffiti. Given what I saw from the Amtrak trains, he wasn’t totally successful. Although he did get the subways cleaned up a bit.
Letterman’s bit looks like the best thing about the shindig the other night.
Step right up! Get yer Yellow Stars here!
If I may chime in..love the blog,
..If it takes gating Iraq..
..If it takes walling off the combatants..
Whatever..just do it and get our boys and girls home ASAP!!
Can america be anymore clear?
Pick a plan..( 5 years late ) do it and bring our brave soldiers home..
Say what you will..It’s that simple..
*** Hi Jane ****
From Pink Floyd’s ‘Another Brick in the Wall Part 2″ (Waters) 3:56
“Wrong, Do it again!”
“If you don’t eat yer meat, you can’t have any pudding. How can you
have any pudding if you don’t eat yer meat?”
“You! Yes, you!…behind the bikesheds, stand still laddy!”
—
(If you listen to the CD, the last line is spoken from a helicopter bullhorn.)
Walls enable the Oppressor to Control the Oppressed.
LoudounLib @ 157
That’s what I had read as well. Given the clip of Rich Little, it wassn’t that difficult to be the best.
“Repairing our nations bridges isn’t going to get us where we need to be in Iraq.”
So, I guess repairing a major city in the country you are responsible for, like, say, New Orleans, won’t get us there either. Oh yeah, now I understand..you make a lot of sense…(enter men with straight jackets)…
I guess the Pentagons new policy which does not train Iraqi troops is a bit more understandable since we will be treating them all as prisoners now.
I like the idea of the badges. Those who say “Badges? We don’t need no stinkin’ badges,” are just not getting with the program.
Myself, I prefer a modern design with a touch of authority, so as to let people know that they are official. How about a six pointed star like some sheriffs wear? Perhaps in yellow, a lovely optimistic color.
Yes, a yellow six pointed star. That would do it.
Hoosierhoops @ 159
BOO! Hoosiers YAY! Wildcats (KY fan here) :})
Morris Sheppard @ 164
Arm bands would surely be fashionable as well.
LS @ 166
Anything to set one off from the crowd.
Oklahoma kiddo @
75
Keep repeating this mantra OKK, it seems as though Congress is beginning to hear it.
conniptionfit @ 158
me, I’d like a Pink Triangle, please. Or now that GLBTs have reclaimed that, need there be a new symbol of repression?
Oh, wait, in an Islamic state we won’t need badges at all, just a ride to the gallows.
Oh, I get it, it was all a mistake. Bush hired Gates, because he thought that meant he was supposed to install walls and gates. Now, it is all becoming clear.
LS @ 162
I was quoting Bush.
How could I forget the armbands? Everybody loves an armband!
dakine01 @ 156
My son had a high school classmate who was a subway tunnel graffiti artist. Now this is an upper middle class guy who went to a fancy private school on the upper West Side. When his graffiti days were winding down, he took some cool photos of subway tunnels. He now, age 25, supports himself through his photo art & a side job or so.
Georgesimian @ 171
I know, that’s the snark, not at you, at Bush’s stupid statement :}
dakine01 @ 161
I read somewhere that Letterman sent a video clip, claiming he had a conflict: “yoga practice.” Also, it’s known that Rich Little was, like, eighth choice. Robin Williams (can you IMAGINE??) agent withdrew him, Billy Crystal’s fee would have precluded any scholarships (which is, I guess, part of the point of the entire evening), others were mentioned. Probably I got this from Froomkin or Milbank today….
LS @ 170
And Windows. Oh, no, that’s the other Gates.
9 US Killed, 20 US Wounded in Iraq IED attack near a Patrol Base in Diyala Province.
No link, yet.
TeddySanFran @ 0:
Tattoos & arm bands come to mind.
the good news is that Shia & Sunni have protested & shut it down, by way of al Maliki (per news tonight)
going back to read
Georgesimian @ 171
Now..Thats FUNNY!!
Hey Dakine01: KY has got game…we all do here in the midwest..( the Tar heel comments are brutal..For some reason Duke has been quiet. )
TeddySanFran @
176
Sorry, I don’t do Windows. I luvs me iBook.
TeddySanFran @ 129
yo
This business of building walls and isolating communities makes me look sideways at the bridge that was blown up in Baghdad. Who blew that up? and how exactly? And why?
This business about walling people in reminds me of when they were putting bags over peoples’ heads.
It’s the same kind of dehumanizing control at work.
This is not counter-insurgency. It is aggression and control. Pure and simple.
It’s going to turn the soldiers into prison guards. Wait and see!
And it will cause the population to mistrust us even more. How easy it will be for militia from either side to simply overpower the guards, and exterminate the population, which will have nowhere to flee.
Suppose someone blows up a chlorine-filled truck inside there? How are the people supposed to escape?
This whole idea sounds like it was cooked up by sadists.
Which brings me back to the bags over peoples’ heads.
And it makes my blood boil to think that this is being done in my name!!!!
dakine01 @ 180
Iraq Vista: Chimpeachment Edition
Morris Sheppard @ 172
Or bonnets?
My people are fond of bonnets.
I heard a report that Maliki had been overruled & walls were going up no matter what.
OT Open question, can anyone confirm?
Reid drawing line in sand; new draft moves start of pull-out up to Oct 2007; full pull-out March 2007?
correct, or did I hear wrong?
thanks
Loo Hoo @ 181
I’m much more interested in live-blogging McNulty on Friday. Any word about the TEEVEE or Committee closed circuit?
TeddySanFran @ 185
Those are some great chapeaus!
HoosierHoops @ 179 says:
As much as I love KY basketball, I mourned when Indiana went to multi classes for the state level, leaving KY as about the only single class state remaining. I understand somewhat why they did it but it was still a shame. KY dealt with it by putting in a mid-season small school tournament called the “All A” using the schools that played Class A football.
Even then, if they hadn’t made the movie Hoosiers, someone could have done a similar one from KY given some of the small schools out of the mountains who came down and won it all.
And BTW, it also pains me to say that the two greatest players in my eyes are both from Indiana. I’m sure you can guess.
Did you get an iRack to put it on?
Forgot the link @ 141
http://www.glumbert.com/media/irack
Gunga Djinn @ 187
Don’t know but I think I read that. I also heard that Murtha declared if first bill is veto’d, next will provide only 60 days funding, forcing them to keep coming back and having to vote again and again.
dakine01 @ 190
As much as I love KY basketball, I mourned when Indiana went to multi classes for the state level, leaving KY as about the only single class state remaining. I understand somewhat why they did it but it was still a shame. KY dealt with it by putting in a mid-season small school tournament called the “All A” using the schools that played Class A football.
Even then, if they hadn’t made the movie Hoosiers, someone could have done a similar one from KY given some of the small schools out of the mountains who came down and won it all.
And BTW, it also pains me to say that the two greatest players in my eyes are both from Indiana. I’m sure you can guess.
Illinois also has great history of High School Hoops, ever hear of the Cobden Appleknockers?
eCAHNomics @ 191
Ah, Nope. No iRacks anywhere around me. :})
eCAHN @ 186
What? More Bush HissyFit Diplomacy after the network news broke?
[sigh]
Fern @ 182
Oh, Fern, that’s “yesterday’s news!” Why are you dwelling in the past, dear? Let’s move forward and enjoy us some walls and some biometrics!!
You are absolutely right, of course, Fern.
We are never given any resolution of ANY of these events. Each is a one-day story. The same day as the bridge bombing was the Parliament cafeteria bombing. Has anyone told us who was responsible for that? I thought not.
Gunga Djinn @ 187
Full pull-out in March 2008, but otherwise you’ve got it right, my man.
LS @ 148
Congratulations!
TeddySanFran @
129
Hey TSF, I will be here providing you first do a blog using the title, “Tantric Impeachment”. I have been chuckling about this since early afternoon for many reasons. My extensive exposure to the various sciences of yoga affords me many images of these words put together. True genius !
There a many who think this was the real model for the film “Hoosiers”:
The year was 1964.
Lyndon B. Johnson was president, a Hershey’s candy bar sold for 5 cents and the Beatles topped the record charts.
In Illinois, a significant event was taking place that would capture the hearts and spirits of basketball fans for years to come.
The Cobden Appleknockers, a high school team from a town of only 900 people in Southern Illinois, was the name on every basketball fan’s lips.
The team had made it to the Illinois state basketball tournament, beating rivals that had more people in their high schools than Cobden had in its entire town.
Just to put this into perspective: This was before high schools were divided into classes based on school enrollment.
Dubbed “the Pride of Southern Illinois, ” “the People’s Choice” and “the Amazing Appleknockers” the boys reached the state tournament in March 1964. The team lost 50-45 to Pekin in the final game.
But a curious phenomenon happened over the years.
Chuck Neal, a player on the 1964 team who is now an airline pilot, regularly runs into people who remember the Cobden Appleknockers.
They’ll often refer to Cobden as “the tiny team that won the state tournament in 1964.”
“I used to correct people,” Neal said, “not anymore.”
TeddySanFran @ 197
I think the implication is that the bridge bombing is an inside job to further isolate various groups within the city.
dakine01 @ 180
Next, you’ll be demanding the President create more (Steve) Jobs.
I would like a Constitutional scholar to debate this premise. If Congress has the power to declare war, then the converse must be true that Congress has the power to declare peace. And doesn’t Congress have to ratify treaties? Seems obvious that Congress could declare peace, negotiate a peace, or withdraw from a war. Vote to withdraw authorization for war and declare peace…period.
FYI, Want to get in touch with your inner protest? American Experince on PBS is covering the Summer of love… good music too.
Conference bill:
This conference bill will require passage in the House and Senate, identically, before going to the Oval to meet The Veto-er.
eCAHNomics @ 186
The Palestinians have protested the building of walls, barbed, electric and razor fences for years. But what can you do? Arabs and Persians, etc., are something less than first class citizens. They need to be penned up or out, or whatever.
raven,
Don’t know them but we had a team from a little hamlet named Cuba of all names, in the fifties. Played most of their games on outdoor court and supposedly got uniforms and shoes when they went to the state tournament.
And then there was a fellow by the name of King Kelly Coleman who set all the scoring records. He wound up not going to college for very long but he was one of the top 3 players in the country his SR year in HS. Along with some fellow from Crispus Attucks in Indianapolis and some other guy from some place called Cabin Creek.
Listen-up Dana Perino, America loves Cheryl Crow, and if America could choose between Crow or Rove, Crow would win hands down, and we wouldn’t be in this stupid predicament.
PW is upstairs with a modest proposal.
(LL — Easter’s always fun in Dolores Park! Ain’t they wicked fierce rainments?)
LS @ 209
As many others have stated, ya gotta wonder about someone who doesn’t want to be touched by Sheryl Crow.
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YES! Thanx dakine. I’ll try to confirm my part, but if Murtha is saying similar, it may be true.
old timeline was non-binding March 2008, begin of phased withdrawal end of summer 2008.
thinking now that those are being moved up if Bush vetos.
loo hoo, 199
I just had to brag :}, I couldn’t help myself, hee, hee, hee.
Congress is making pretty clear to W that this may be the best deal he’ll get (if Levin would STFU, please!)
And I thought ghetto blasters were just annoying boom boxes. Feh. Gated communties my aunt Fanny.
dakine01 @ 208
Great stories! My dad and I used to go to every game back in the days when the entire sweet sixteen was played in Champaign. It started Thursday and ran until Saturday night complete with a third place game. Now it’s playen in Peoria and I’ve live in Georgia for 23 years. Down her I think they have 6 classes. I gave up on it when I hung up my officials stripes 15 years ago. Damn.
Wow, LS, that is cool! What a great community we have here, and what great spousal units we seem to have engaged!
eCAHNomics @ 202
Yup. I was a little cryptic, I guess.
radiofreewill @ 198
thank you!
I needed that today.
TeddySanFran @ 218
Check out some of the cuts on paulinereese.com. Mr. LS would be embarrassed if he knew I wrote this. Hee, hee…:p
raven @ 217
KY still has the single class but has moved games from Freedom Hall in Louisville to Rupp Arena. I don’t think they sell Rupp out but they still get over twenty thousand. And it’s not seeded. Teams play based on blind draw of the 16 regions early in the season. The Girl’s state tourney is played at Diddle Arena on campus of WKU and same set-up, both Wednesday through Saturday night. I think semis are still Saturday morning.
TeddySanFran @
215
I love them pre- empting Bush, the shoe is on the other foot.
dakine01 @ 222
raven @ 217
dakine01 @ 208
raven,
Don’t know them but we had a team from a littel hamlet named Cuba of all names, in the fifties. Played most of their games on outdoor court and supposedly got uniforms and shoes when they went to the state tournament.
And then there was a fellow by the name of King Kelly Coleman who set all the scoring records. He wound up not going to college for very long but he was one of the top 3 players in the country his SR year in HS. Along with some fellow from Crispus Attucks in Indianapolis and some other guy from some place called Cabin Creek.
Great stories! My dad and I used to go to every game back in the days when the entire sweet sixteen was played in Champaign. It started Thursday and ran until Saturday night complete with a third place game. Now it’s playen in Peoria and I’ve live in Georgia for 23 years. Down her I think they have 6 classes. I gave up on it when I hung up my officials stripes 15 years ago. Damn.
KY still has the single class but has moved games from Freedom Hall in Louisville to Rupp Arena. I don’t think they sell Rupp out but they still get over twenty thousand. And it’s not seeded. Teams play based on blind draw of the 16 regions early in the season. The Girl’s state tourney is played at Diddle Arena on campus of WKU and same set-up, both Wednesday through Saturday night. I think semis are still Saturday morning.
Last time I was in there was the last time a team will ever play a reigonal final on their own court. UK beat the Ville and we (the Illini) beat Maryland with Branch and Bias. Dickey Beal took four steps at mid-court, they didn’t call it and UK went on to play one of the most pitiful games in the history of the Final Four being outscored outscores UK 23-2 at the start of the second half. Not that I am bitter after all these years.
Zig repair by Mod
eCAHNomics #173
So, the upper middle class guy went legit…neat.
He knew his business- the coveted canvases of NY, and what might catch the eye of graffiti connoisseurs.
TSF!
Represent!
very, very late to thread….
Actually I suppose that the new walls were intended to divide the fire that’s been falling into the Green Zone with increasing frequency.;|
More seriously,
an American wall in Detroit.
Petrocelli @ 200
http://thumbsnap.com/v/NiVeWu9f.jpg
raven @ 201
Great story Raven.. And i agree with both you and Dankine..Class style high school basketball has been a disaster… regards
“They hate us for our freedom”
Once a lie. Now, the truth.
Lou # 228..
ROFL……
Teddy SanFran:
What is this “Poland and Germany” reference you’re making? I assume its to Nazi ghettoes, which were
1. Created by Germans
2. Were created in Poland and elsewhere, but not Germany (at least on any scale)
Sorry to sound like an aggrieved member of an ethnic interest group, but that’s what I am. Get your history straight, or at least write clearly, if you meant something else. Aside from exterminating the Jews, the Germans killed about 10% of Poland’s ethnic Poles and enslaved as many. Don’t add insult to injury.
Don’t be too alarmed, but this is what these authoritarian freaks have planned for us. Remember, the neo-con/corporatist consider Iraq their “Lab Of The Future”.
eCAHNomics @ 186
Flash
Clinton who chose Gore who chose Lieberman have proposed that instead of a moat around around Bagdad as proposed by Lieberman and later the wall around the sunni neighborhood as proposed by Lieberman that Gore, Clinton and Lieberman now agree that all shias and sunnis over five years old be required to wear electronic shock collars just like Bush’s dog so that Bagdad will be the first with electronic neighborhoods. Keeping them in and keeping them out. The new approach was approved as techonologically feasible by Haliburton and the first shipment of electronic collars is expected in Iraq by the end of next week, made of the most durable and uncuttable plastic available.