
Of all the reactions and reactions to the reactions we have seen this week to the Virginia Tech shootings, the thing that has struck me the most forcibly is the number of people who have cynically seized upon the tragedy and, well, Brad from Sadly, No! said it best, I think:
Shorter Everybody On The Internet
- The senseless massacre at Virginia Tech basically confirms everything I’ve been saying all along.
Yes, each hour that passed since the first awful shots were fired has reliably brought us another wave of ideologues all frantically trying to seize the moral high ground by blunt trauma if necessary. Tomorrow morning marks a mere week since the horror began, but those seven days have been marked by a disgraceful amount of posturing, defensiveness, and shameless opportunism.
One of the few essays I've read that hasn't seemed to be viewing the event through an ideological prism was this by Cintra Wilson, author of A Massive Swelling (Celebrity as a Grotesque, Crippling Disease and Other Cultural Revelations). I have long admired Wilson's surgically incisive views on our culture and this piece on the Virginia Tech shooting boils the situation down to what I believe are its fundamentals.
Ms. Wilson?
Our society, via our mainstream media, rewards important people with attention. Positive or negative – doesn't matter which. Attention is the currency in a world with too many people – whoever arrests the news cycle long enough to make themselves the topic, wins.
Cho, the VA killer, wanted the world to stop and pay attention to him… and the world did exactly that. Even the president stopped what he was doing to attend to the tragedy.
Cho played the media perfectly: he knew what kind of chum he'd need to make a shark-frenzy… and the media went wild. Cho predicted this response – he knew how big he'd be in death: he was a big fan of the famous Columbine killings. Cho, between shootings, and presumably still adrenal, took a break from slaughtering innocents to send his extensively prepared press-package to NBC: his "multimedia manifesto," containing at least six days of video footage, and self-styled Taxi Driver-esque publicity shots.
Cho stuffed the equivalent of a sociopathic My Space page into an envelope, sent it to NBC…..and now he is, as planned….. #1, with a bullet. He knew exactly what material the media would eat up. He virtually You Tubed it, and got his crucifixion – just not in the way that sane people would want it.
And for a brief and heady moment, NBC gleefully luxuriated in its role. Cho's image was inescapable. I've seen multi-multi-million dollar publicity campaigns for movies, rock bands, and political parties that were far less effective. It seems that in the absence of hard cash, the Great Media Messaging Machine will accept blood as payment.
His material makes a point of mentioning Columbine killers Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, speaking of them as guides for his martyrdom. Cho saw himself as the Jesus Christ of disenfranchised young losers, doomed to commit an act of gruesome revenge that "we" forced him to enact. Islamist suicide martyrs are celebrated in their culture with such videos; it is a certain tragic rock-stardom reserved as the last hope of the truly invisible and powerless, in a global climate where attention is the measure of success. Some people will kill and die to have their voices heard, particularly in a cultural framework that guarantees a certain postmortem celebrity to persons who go out with a sufficient bang.
Wilson goes on to introduce us to the phenomena of "malignant narcissism" and "narcissisistic injury", the twin motivating factors of serial killers and mass murderers. From Wiki:
malignant narcissism as a syndrome characterized by a narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), antisocial features, paranoid traits, and ego-syntonic aggression. Some also may find an absence of conscience, a psychological need for power, and a sense of importance (grandiosity).
(snip)
According to Kernberg, the psychopaths' paranoid stance against external influences makes them unwilling to internalize even the values of the "aggressor", while malignant narcissists "have the capacity to admire powerful people, and can depend on sadistic and powerful but reliable parental images." Malignant narcissists, in contrast to psychopaths, are also said to be capable of developing "some identification with other powerful idealized figures as part of a cohesive 'gang' … which permits at least some loyalty and good object relations to be internalized."
Malignant narcissism is highlighted as a key area when it comes to the study of mass, sexual, and serial murder.
Back to Wilson:
Malignant narcissists seek a "narcissistic load" — their drug of choice — which is ATTENTION. Positive attention and negative attention are one and the same — attention is attention. People suffering from this disorder tend to blame others for their difficulties, fly into a "narcissistic rages," and seek revenge as their due. Attention is the drug, the victory, the raison d'etre — the narcissist simply needs to be the center of attention, and will get his fix by any means necessary.
Even if that means calling John Edwards a "faggot" at a national convention of your supposed peers. Or mocking a Parkinson's victim on national television. Or whatever fresh poo Michelle Malkin is smearing all over herself today before she goes running around the neighborhood screaming about the Global Jihad.
Whether we're talking about Cho's incoherent ravings about The Rich or Glenn Beck's and Bill O'Reilly's increasingly loony, incoherent ravings about The Left, the megalomania, bottomless need for attention and the feverish desire to punish one's supposed "enemies" (i.e., anyone who ever made the speaker feel powerless, small, or insignificant) is exactly the same. Why should we be the least bit surprised that shooting rampages are the end manifestation of a culture awash in hate and aggressive egotism?
Cho reached out in his videos, addressing many of his incoherent ramblings to future generations of disgruntled, schizophrenic losers who admire serial killers. Cho's brilliantly publicized rampage was his gift to future psychopaths, who will now have Cho as their new watermark, their new hero, their new rock star. As a student of killers, Cho probably knew exactly how many bodies he'd have to notch up to be the "biggest" killer in America. Future sociopaths will use his death-toll as a starting point.
The Virginia killer's "manifesto" — and the media's willingness to dote on it like a catechism – will be the reason for future killers to do what they already feel like doing: shoot everyone that makes them feel small. As the Columbine killers' impulses were fed by the rapt, prurient attentions devoted to previous serial killers, so Cho was emboldened by our worship of the Columbine killings.
(snip)
NBC must count itself as the invisible gunman in all copycat crimes resulting from the Virginia Tech massacre. They nailed Cho to the crucifix he so desperately wanted, and said, "Behold."
This is where Wilson and I diverge a bit. NBC's decision to publicize the material did not occur in a void. They are hardly the sole polluters in our highly toxic media environment.
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TRex!!!
TRex!!
Sorry I’m late. I was really fucking busy. Or vice versa.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what kind of fuckery this is.
Good work. Completely on the mark and utterly damning.
TRex @ 3
Oh sure. It’s all about you…
TRex @ 3
It was worth it for this.
TRex!
TRex @ 3
;-) We’re just glad to see you, no matter what you’ve been doing…
Evening, TRex.
Looks like a bunch of folks just gave up and headed for bed.
So, it’s just us freaks.
Here, let me get out the good drugs.
Sigh.
That’s just a joke, gang. This TRex is attempting to avoid extinction by eschewing all drugs and alcohol.
TRex @ 3
I hope it was vice versa. Good post! I can think of certain other people who have many traits of malignant narcissism.
Cho was an asshole, and somewhere his shriveled soul lies screaming, buried in pigshit for all eternity.
NBC showed all the sensitivity of a Port Authority toilet seat, and in a world less driven by sensationalist rubbernecking garbage their stock price would plummet as the world’s gorge rose with disgust.
To Hell with them both
So, back to this visa versa….
Actually, that was last night.
PeteDownUnder said to tell you goodnight, T. He’s in Palm Springs.
darkblack @ 12
Agreed. About the only thing I can say for Cho is that I feel badly for his family.
the shrill one, brilliant as usual:
“There are two ways to describe the confrontation between Congress and the Bush administration over funding for the Iraq surge. You can pretend that it’s a normal political dispute. Or you can see it for what it really is: a hostage situation, in which a beleaguered President Bush, barricaded in the White House, is threatening dire consequences for innocent bystanders — the troops — if his demands aren’t met.”
–Paul Krugman
Loo Hoo @ 11
Ya think?
peterboy @ 17
Nice to see some truth in editorializing…but then, Krugman is usually good for that.
peterboy @ 17
‘
Can I get a link to that?
I might add it in an update to the post.
it is behind the NYT subscriber wall. Tomorrow’s column. the lead.
TRex —- I came too late to participate.
:(
Back tomorrow.
SnarKassandra @ 22
Nuts! G’night, Cassie.
http://select.nytimes.com/2007…..an.html?hp
SnarKassandra @ 22
Looking at the comments about TRex’s Saturday evening, I probably wouldn’t be allowed to stay tonight anyway!
LOL
:)
TRex @ 10
Got any Advil?
The ultra ideologues, personified by Bush, never stopped fighting the culture wars of the ’60’s. Those engaged in the battles of that time are hip to this. The struggle will never stop. Those of us who are left over from those ‘wars’ are resigned to this. And if it’s a fight they want, well then, bring it on.
I’m playing while waiting for the rerun of The Riches — west coast.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 27
OKK, I like your style ;-)
Auntie Freak at your service ….
Greetings from north of the border !
Trex, don’t worry, not everyone’s gone to bed. Yet.
Malignant narcissists is the perfect description of these people.
Petrocelli @ 31
Greetings friend!
Texas Betsy @ 30
Uhhh, music freak here, also at your service.
(Note to TRex – can’t. stop. playing. Amy Winehouse!)
Texas Betsy @
33
Hi Betsy !!! Summer is nice, I hope it sticks around.
Petrocelli @ 31
Hello, Pet.
TRex @
3
Was it finger lickin’ good? *g*
Loo Hoo @ 36
Hey Loo Hoo, how’s it goin, eh?
Eureka Springs @
26
Those of us who live on painkillers appreciate what little humor you can carve out of drug use….
Who’s the artist? I like it.
Go here and you can hear a whole live gig from Amsterdam. Homegirl was en fuego that night.
Texas Betsy @ 30
Ah, so it’s safe now to discuss TRex’s afterglow. So spill ‘em, carnosaur: is this two ships passing in the night, or are you looking for drydock and overhaul?
Stupid bastards.
It was a tragedy, from start to finish. No one to hate and want to destroy. Just a tragedy, period.
TRex @ 41
OMG thanks!
Oklahoma kiddo @
27
Meanwhile they’re dragging the next few generations into it whether we want to or not. I lived a life with integration and i’m a child of the desegregation(and interracial marriages) laws before my time. A lot of GenX really sees things differently than these old chickenhawks that are so shrill about things we never understood as wrong. We literally grew up in a totally different culture instead of the old war they still fight.
It’s why i wonder what GenX will do when it eventually gets the white house, and how different it will be. There are still racial undertones but they aren’t quite as striking as this old culture war. Though from my end? I’m more worried about the class wars, and the total lack of help or wages for those of us in the job market. There’s literally almost no safety net for any of us now. No chance for savings and no chance to even start a nest egg unless we’re already rich.
I think i’ll stop rambling…*grins sheepishly*
Trex, thanks for putting the fine point on this phenomenon. We all knew it was coming before the bullets cooled. As soon as I heard what happened I changed the channel and it has not yet returned to a news channel for more than a few seconds because the same story is the ONLY story.
Frankly with the internet at hand I only watch CNN or MSNBC to remind myself just how truly horrible they are (with exception for the first half hour of KO, most of the time).
At least half of my life I have chosen not to own a television or keep one in a closet.
I really don’t know why people watch television news.. Don’t they know they have a choice? The main choice being to turn it off! I sure don’t understand why ratings spike for weeks on end when the media acts like this.
EvilDrPuma @ 42
Heh. A ship I stow away on from time to time. Not sure it’s seaworthy for a long voyage, or more importantly, not sure I’m all that interested in booking on for extended tour of duty.
But it was a lovely spin around the harbor, I gotta say.
Oklahoma kiddo @
27
They never got over being rejected by the cool people. The college republicans would take anyone. I was there, it’s true.
I’ve tried to stay away from the fear-porn that the news media have made of this story. We’re trying to keep our kids away from it too, but that’s pretty hard when so many of their classmates have the TV on in their homes as a matter of course.
This event is hyped up like it’s one of the most significant things to ever happen in the US. While I feel for the victims and their families, that’s just not true. About twice that many people through gun violence, every single day of the year (CDC data). Statistically, to achieve the goals of whatever changes we end up putting into place to prevent this kind of thing, it would be more effective if we could reduce the death rate from firearms by a tenth of a percent or so. And, as many have noted, just a single incident of this lethality would make for a good day in Iraq.
TRex, I think you’re on to something when you compare the publicity results to massive PR campaigns. The difference is, it’s clear who those benefit. Either the movie becomes a blockbuster, the candidate gets elected, or something. But here, the question is: cui bono?
I’ve been thinking about the differential in publicity between the anthrax and WTC attacks in September 2001. They were roughly comparable in the public mind back then, with the idea of anthrax being sent through the mail making people feel especially vulnerable even if they didn’t live near an obvious “terror target.” But, for reasons not fully clear, shortly after there was a near blackout of media attention on one, and a never-ending orgy of wallowing in the other. Heck, one presidential frontrunner has made it essentially the single issue in his campaign.
Cui bono, dudes? Cui fucking bono?
cho punked nbc
TRex an excellent post! Truly. And kudos to Ms Wilson. I agree that the press’s response to all this will only encourage the next teen, sitting on the fence between disturbed and killer, to jump headlong into infamy with a 9mm gun.
TRex @ 47
Gotcha. Well, at the least, it’ll keep you from getting too frustrated.
TheOtherWA @ 32
Yeah. I was also thinking, and I’m probably not the first, how this metaphor relates to “viral marketing,” which, not perhaps not coincidentally, comes down to pretty much just another way to get publicity results on a smaller budget than a full fledged PR campaign.
Markinsanfran @
43
Well, news is not to tell the truth, it’s to sell advertising.
I, like many Canadians, cannot fathom the many tragedies in America while the politicians and gun makers are not held responsible.
Instead of telling them to ban weapons, ask them WHAT THE HELL are they going to do to prevent this tragedy. Get them on record and keep pressuring them to change this.
It is a tall order, but what is the alternative?
Texas Betsy @ 51
Yes, it will…and God only knows how many shooters in the next few weeks or months who don’t duplicate the scale or the coverage of Cho’s carnage will be egged on by it. The media should be ashamed to be suckered so easily, and don’t you buy the “can’t leave it for the tabloids to screw up” excuse for a second. The tabloids are green with envy about the way the “mainstream” media handled this.
OMG, if you didn’t read TRex’s link, check wiki. Scroll down to diagnostic criteria. So scary!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N…..y_disorder
Trex,your insight is astounding.god knows what warped this poor fuck the way he became,but the culture,the media,was responsible for the “flash responce” that gave us images we all want brain bleach for
Yeah. I was also thinking, and I’m probably not the first, how this metaphor relates to “viral marketing,” which, not perhaps not coincidentally, comes down to pretty much just another way to get publicity results on a smaller budget than a full fledged PR campaign.
?Viral Marketing?
?Malignant narcissists?
OooOoOooOooooh…
Wait, wait.. joo are the pipples whom I have been channeling all day, eh?
so.
snuffy @ 39
So true. hahahahahah
Remember to be kind to the margins…
Loo Hoo @ 56
Sounds like a Preznint we know.
Loo Hoo @ 56
Who else does this describe?
?Advil?
(bathe, bathe)
I prefer Sangria, and maybe a leetle cat-nip (or “gato-neep”, een the vernacular).
so.
More Krugman tomorrow…
… Mr. Bush’s refusal to face up to the failure of his Iraq adventure, his apparent determination to spend the rest of his term in denial, has become a clear and present danger to national security.
hi good people ,poking my nose in from far away again(hope you forgive)but.
am still puzzled by the fact that your constitution says
the right to bear arms is because of the need to have a well regulated militia.
so,how come every one with a gun is not a member of the national guard?
lolo @ 50
lolo, I’ll try calling you tomorrow after work.
Trex,that is one of the scaryist things I have heard in while
aReader @ 64
!Seeng eet, shreel one!
!Viva Krugman!
TRex @ 10
Your Late Nite posts are my good drugs, nowadays..
aReader @ 64
GWB’s not-so-excellent Iraq adventure?
aReader @ 64
Good for him!
Too bad it is behind the firewall.
may,
I believe thees very rationale was cited often by members of the 90’s “Militia” movements.
Thees deed no go so well, no?
no.
I theenk joo weel see a resurgence of thees types of militias, eef a Democratista retakes the Whitehouse.
so.
!El Gato Negro! @ 58
Maureen Dowd is utter rubbish.
Can we get Maureen Dowd’s mouth sewn shut until after the 2008 elections?
TRex @ 75
And her fingers glued together. Don’t forget that.
TRex @ 75
Don’t you want to sew her fingers together as well?
EvilDrPuma @ 76
Great minds think alike!
Texas Betsy @ 77
Great minds think alike. And so do ours.
TRex @ 75
not a good idea.
because of martyr potential.
use duct tape.
I’m afraid your and Wilson’s take on this guy is just… Dumb. Before you pontificate on a subject about which you know nothing, do a little research on paranoid schizophrenia. Better yet, sit down for a few hours with a psychiatrist familiar with the problem.
Texas Betsy @ 78
Okay, stop that!!!!
EvilDrPuma @ 82
Stop!
:)
john in california @ 81
And you’ve just been so much more persuasive. By the way, my spouse is paranoid schizophrenic, and I don’t appreciate your generalizations.
may @ 80
this is a point to consider.
diminish the martyrness
may @ 65
If you want to get into constitutional law,there is the organised militia,of which most are busy getting their collective asses shot off{nat.guard}and the un-official militia,which is every person of military age,this causes lots of arguements,of which I dont want to go into{its late,Im tired,and horse has been beat to death many times}
If you look in the constitution….the un-organised miltia is every millitary age person…which should scare everyone.
and on that happy note g’night
Good reporting TRex. I am in total agreement.
I recommend Howard Zinn’s You can’t be Neutral on A Moving Train. It is autobiographical. Zinn is a champion of the people. If you haven’t seen the dvd, you should. Its very entertaining and informative.
I have a plan.
Let’s tell Maureen Dowd that Barney’s of Manhattan is having a SECRET CONTEST where the first customer to try on ONE MILLION PAIRS of shoes will get a free pair of Manolo Blakniks every month for the rest of their lives. It’s a SECRET, though, Maureen. The salespeople will deny it, but they’re counting every pair.
That should keep her busy for a while.
Petrocelli @ 54
Yep. It’s also to sell people on a corrupt political idealogy.
I spend a lot of time working in Canada. I like it there, even in the relatively boring place I work (Edmonton) :-)
TRex @ 88
Ha! Bright, shiny! ;-)
Evening Suzanne. I notice the first person you had to scold was my buddy. no no, lolo.
May, where do you live?
I’m very excited about a possible Tori Amos interview. Any new news about that, TRex?
ozLoo Hoo @ 91
oz
kristineIA @ 92
Nope. Nothing to report.
Oh, and SHHHHHHHHH!!!
It’s supposed to be a surprise!
Looked at the obits in the Post today and there were three beautiful, smiling young faces that grew up in or close to my northern virginia town. And info about their funerals.
That is when it really sank in.
I don’t care about the media vultures. We knew that already. I don’t care what was wrong with Cho, though I’m certainly prepared to agree he was one very sick kid. As far as I’m concerned, the ONLY thing that matters is:
HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET THOSE GUNS.
THAT is what could have prevented this tragedy. End of story. From now on, I have zero tolerance for “right to bear arms” bullshit of any stripe. Take your “arms” and shove em up your asses, assholes.
That said…..if responsible people want to own guns, fine. But they should be prepared to undergo one hell of a screening process. Like getting a “security clearance.” Is our so-called national security more important than protecting the lives of our children? What the f**k does “national security” mean — if not that??
LooHoo
I did not direct my comment at anyone – it was my usual evening reminder :)
john in california @ 81
Would you like to sit, or lie down on the couch?
Hi TRex and !El Gato Negro!
So I alert the advertisers to the violent rhetoric that the people at KSFO spew. They are shocked and appalled.
And of course their suggestion that violence is how problems should be solved has NO connection to what happened in Virginia.
Rush was already preemptive calling him a liberal, Debbie Stuffedful said called him a “Paki” then a commie.
I wonder. What did he listen to? Rap. Or right wing radio? Was he a right wing Christian? I don’t think he was a Muslim, but of course his religion is only important if he is a Christian. Now these are interesting questions that I would like the answers too.
Do you think that if they found out that he was a Muslim they would trumpet that on the right? You bet. Since they didn’t what did they do? Focus on the other killers who WERE Muslim.
I think he sounds like an Old Testament “Christian” you know the type that wants to punish the “other” and attacks abortion clinics.
Markinsanfran @ 89
Yep. It’s also to sell people on a corrupt political idealogy.
I spend a lot of time working in Canada. I like it there, even in the relatively boring place I work (Edmonton) :-)
You work in Edmonton and it did not drive you to maniacal behavior? You Sir, are a man of steel !
Oddmommy, great rant! Thanks, and hello from another NoVA resident.
Si, what she writes ees rubbish.
The funny theeng ees that the quote makes me theenk that she writes “well-intentioned” rubbish.
Regrettable, but still estupido.
so.
may @ 93
Hi May, have you been watching your Aussie team pulverize the competition at the World Cup?
LoudounLib @ 100
Back atcha, LL!
At least we have Jim Webb to be proud of…..
!El Gato Negro! @ 73
D’accord…an element of useful tools goes to play soldier and spout aryan claptrap in the woods when their paymasters have electile difficulty.
;>)
oddmommy @ 103
Yes!! I so heart Webb ;-)
MoDo is like the Pope. She runs around bitching about poverty, famine, disease, war and death AFTER she gets the guy elected who she KNEW was gonna bring it (on).
And here she is again. Slamming the Democrats. Again.
TRex @ 94
I’m so bad at surprises! Sorry, I’ll be quiet now. Quietly excited.
TRex @ 88
I hope she comes to YK07 this year; we should have a plan for that.
-
I was surprised that Brian Williams was given real estate at HuffPo to defend his network’s decision, and unhappy that he lied about the decision. They could never have aired the shooter’s pr0n if they hadn’t copied it; in his meticulous description of the process, Williams never mentioned when or why that decision was made, or by whom. The entire decision is completely opaque without that element.
wish you’d been around yesterday TRex….I had SUCH fine snark going about the Dowdager.
Not as good as being, er, busy, though.
So one thing that I was seeing before the shooting was talk about how weak and feminine non-neocons are. The British who didn’t attack and were humiliated (never mind they got back safely with no blood shed. Never mind that they were in the wrong place. American’s wouldn’t have been pussies! We would have killed millions to show they can’t bust us for violating their waters).
Now they are calling the students who didn’t rush the guy with the automatic weapons weak.
A neocon “Christian” called Andrew Longman was on Christian radio, talking about this. The show is Faith2Action with Janet Folger (there was a guest host, Ingrid Sleeder for this show).
Andrew brings up this “feminine response” a couple of times and how wrong it is. I’ve taped the relevant parts for you to listen to if you wish (about 6 minutes) ( link, Windows Media Audio format) the whole show is here: http://f2a.org/radio/2007-04-17.ram
Andrew Longman writes for World Net Daily and for The Christian WorldView Network
Here is his bizarre article on Jesus supporting guns. http://www.christianworldviewn……php/1885/
Wouldn’t it be interesting if they found out that there were women who rushed him?
This whole thing started with a guy who stalked women. Just how serious was that taken?
Their macho response to this is more guns. They are all Rambo and they won’t be like “those weak women” and wimp students when the nut comes. Because they have their guns. “We are all going to be heavily armed to protect the woman folk.”
hackworth @ 106
She’s Joke Line in an Azzedine Alaia silk suit.
EvilDrPuma @ 84
Now that I’ve had a minute to cool down slightly (and only slightly), I should clarify. The generalization I refer to is the association of paranoid schizophrenia with violent behavior, up to and including mass murder. Statistically, paranoid schizophrenics are no more violent than the general population, and quite a few are so terrified of the world they misperceive around them that they could hardly pose a threat to anybody. Referring to Cho as a paranoid schizophrenic while casting oneself as knowledgeable but not making note of this is the height of irresponsibility. Such misrepresentation causes real harm to real people, and this individual should be ashamed of himself.
Eureka Springs @ 46
I may be pilloried for this but I think I do know why people watch television news. It’s not because they’re drooling idiots, it’s because they’re busy. They have jobs and families, they have obligations and committments. They want to be informed, they want to know what’s going on, they just don’t have the time or the energy to chase after information on the internet.
Even reading blogs isn’t enough. Ideally, you’d need to read several blogs, and their comments and follow ALL the links. YOu could have read every FDL post for the past month and still not know that the first worst-of-the-worst Gitmo terrorist was recently sentenced to a 9 month term (though you’d know if you read the comments). That’s not FDL’s fault, no blog can cover everything. I’m not working right now and I don’t have children and I can’t keep up with everything. How’s somebody with, you know, a life, supposed to do it? So they watch TV news because
- it’s on at a convenient time
- they can do other things (eat, clean, iron) at the same time
- it’s short
Hola, Spocko.
?How goes the revolution?
?Have all the pet-bloggers been thoroughly organized?
?eh?
And now, good night.
Yeah, actually, the only person who called Cho a paranoid schizophrenic was that troll back there. I didn’t say it and I don’t see it in Cintra Wilson’s piece either.
EvilDrPuma @ 112
Thank you for doing a much better takedown of this “shaddup unless you got real ex-spurt credenshuls” troll than I was about to write.
Petrocelli @ 102
erm.sorry,vaguely follow Australian Rules(season just started)and international cricket.
Lara has stepped down,he did the Windies proud.
a bit of the swimming and womens netball.
the netball is the fastest most skilled game imo
they really go for it and it’s a no contact sport,tho some of the high ranking girls push the margins sometimes.i don’t follow much,am more of a gardener and bookworm.
Persiflage, exactly. Speaking only for myself, I work 12 hour shifts and I just don’t have time on my work days to watch much news (much less read blogs, surf the news sites, etc), so the 30 minute nightly news usually has to suffice in my world.
TRex…. I was at Trader Joes yesterday afternoon doing my weekly shopping and there was a guy outside with two small parrots…. One a lovely shade of the sunset yellow to orange was named….. TRex…… I was also told not to touch because he bites…..
Made me chuckle…. TRex in Phoenix disguised as a parrot….
g’nite EDP – sleep well
TRex @
116
Can you tell me why the MSM made a big deal of the guy being Asian/Korean? How long does someone have to live there to be an American?
I have a novel approach that may stem the awful tide, at least eventually of these American massacres: It’s called “gun control,” and it seems to work very well anywhere it is impemented. We’ve thrown out every other contitutional amendmenment in response to the emotional response known as “terror,” so why not the second amendment, especially since it doesn’t really state that anyone anywhere can own a gun, hand grenade, bazooka, or rocket launcher anyway? Silly me, I just thought I’d mention it for shits and giggles if nothing else.
TRex @ 75
I’m sure out there… Somewhere… There would be one of you… Who’d like… Or…. Rather likes… MoDo, (not Mulder) Likes MoDo enough to er… um… Y’know… Keep her sati… er (ahem)… Keep her … B-U-S-Y???
Willing to… (ahem)… Take one for the… Team??? Until… er… Say… January of 2.. 0…0…9???
I don’t think it’ll…er um er… Hurt THAT… much.
Whaddayasay?
Loo Hoo @ 66
Anytime LooHoo
oddmommy says
Now I know I’m repeating myself, but once again, I say that you need to talk to the people who design the messages for the “right to bear arms” bullshit.
The NRA spokespeople are the best in the world.
To contact an NRA spokesperson call them: Their PR firms is listed here: Here is the link to their results for NRA).
Shirley & Banister Public Affairs (http://www.sbpublicaffairs.com/)
703 739-5920
800 536-5920
info@sbpublicaffairs.com They are even in Virginia!
Ask for Diana Banister or Craig Shirley
(FYI: Diane is the one who does music for churches so if you are interested in the Christian angle to gun violence she probably is the one to talk to.)
Any PR is good PR! Right?
Oh and tape the call (ask for permission first)
I’m pretty sure that by the end of the call they will have won you over. They really are that good.
Gang, I’m going to go and grab some food. The cupboard is bare and I’m hungry.
Sausage and eggs, be very afraid. You too, hash browns.
persiflage: I agree. Most evenings I fix dinner around evening newscast time, and I always have the TV on….if it’s early enough, BBC news (which is a story in itself…..LOVE that polite contempt with which they inform what “the Americans” are up to)….but most often ABC or NBC (will NOT watch Katie Couric….THAT is where I draw the line)……and often end up bellowing obscenities at the television….prompting my brilliant daughter to inquire reasonably, “Uh…..Mom? So WHY are you watching this again?”
To which I can only respond, feebly, something along the lines of, “Because it is there……?”
Goodnight, EDP. Sleep well.
Don’t ignore the toast and jam, TRex.
TRex @
127
Where do you live … China? It’s not breakfast time anywhere in North America.
113persiflage
How’s somebody with, you know, a life, supposed to do it? So they watch TV news because
- it’s on at a convenient time
- they can do other things (eat, clean, iron) at the same time
- it’s short
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Contained herein are reasons why the right wing juggernaut has been so successful.
People earning less and working more have less time to learn, seek out and study the truth. With the Reagan removal of the Fairness Doctrine, Capitalists can promote the right wing agenda 24/7 on all media sources.
A concerted effort to destroy public education helps to insure a disinterested and incurious public. Earn less, work more and watch right wing propaganda on teevee.
Suzanne @ 130
A vegetable wouldn’t hurt every now and then.
hackworth @ 132
The hypocrisy in NBC’s airing of Cho’s manifesto is apalling and shocking. For the better part of a decade they have steadfastly refused to show on TV any fans at pro sporting events who run out onto the field in a display of stupidity. At least those fans can be entertaining. But no, they won’t put them on camera because they don’t want to give them any publicity or encourage anyone else to engage in the same behavior.
But THIS! Aha! Cho! Gotta show that now, don’t we?
Now when I say “they” don’t show rowdy fans making assholes out of themselves on TV, I don’t mean solely NBC. It’s all their kindred brethren in broadcasting. They developed some sort of unwritten rule not to show drunk and disorderly fans on the field disrupting a serious competitive sports event. “They” might not be NBC per se, but they all worship at the same altar.
It’s stark raving hypocrisy of the highest order. My theory is they felt they had to show Cho’s multimedia extravaganza before it was leaked to one of their competitors who would surely air it and deprive them, NBC, of their just due. It was mailed to them at 30 Rock, after all.
spocko:
I know they are in Virginia, I’ve driven past their infernal HQ any number of times.
And I WILL call…..gotta do something.
But……do you mean to say that they will try to convert ME into a 2nd amendment zealot, as well?? Heaven help us…I don’t think ANYBODY, sane or crazy, would wish that on the world.
Spocko,
Any chance you could repeat that info tomorrow when the phone lines are open? Good stuff and there’s a good (50%) chance I could forget.
Texas Betsy @
133
I think Therapods are omnivores. *g*
Just goes to show how screwed our mental heath system is in this country that someone who was obviously mentally ill was allowed to purchase a gun. Teachers brought this person to the attention of law enforcement officials and mental health officials yet no one intervened satisfactorily. It’s a crying shame to be sure but so are the senseless deaths occurring in Iraq every single day that no one in the media seems to give a rats ass about.
!El Gato Negro!
Oh we are working on it. Yesterday I gave the rest of the people commenting an !El Gato Negro! special pep talk and told them to donate to all the hard working pet bloggers.
You have taught me well, oh wise one!
Seriously, I give this story about two days until someone reveals it got into people food.
I’ve been trying to get some experts lined up to talk about the way the FDA has been hamstrung with their “voluntary” recalls that should be mandatory.
What should be interesting to watch will be Tuesday’s hearing where the CEO of ChemNutra will talk about what he knew and when he knew it. Timing is very important. How many lives were lost because the public was not informed until days or weeks after the corporations knew the truth?
Not revealing who received tainted gluten is unconscionable. Can you picture this happening?
This is unconceivable. Yet, when it comes to our pets this is what we get.
(Credit for quote goes to Nikki of Howl911.com
persiflage @
113
I totally agree with that, persiflage. We as a society are working much longer and harder for much less money – most families with kids have to have 2 working parents just to get by. The job no longer ends at 5 PM. We are being ground into the dirt; our money buys less and less, while we are bombarded with advertising that insists we need more and more.
We’re exhausted. In the 50s (that era of the highest corporate and wealth tax) a regular joe with a regular job could afford to own a house, a car, and support a wife and kids, vacations, medical care – on one salary! Nowadays, with both parters working late, working weekends, taking work home, all people have time or energy to do is turn on the TV for an hour or so before bed. And most people are not umbilically attached to a computer like we are (yes, you are – don’t deny it!) and have neither the time, the aptitude, or the inclination (especially people who spend all day on a computer) to scour the blogosphere for their news sources.
That’s why the responsibility of the media is so great, and it’s so shameful the way they have abdicated that responsibility (and privilege) of telling the truth to the American people.
Somewhere this week I read that Cho had Asperger syndrome which is a form of Autism, then add mental illness to this disease, it all makes sense.
Spocko – I saw somewhere a story about how that gluten had been put into hog food (racking my brain trying to remember the site) – I figure that is how it will enter our food chain – as product fed to animals we eat.
So much of the problem in this case is that you can’t just institutionalize people. It takes so much work and proof. Imagine being the social worker, and the potential for lawsuits. It’s crazyness. Until there are protections for the social workers/mental health professionals and the person referring the individual, there won’t be hospitalizations.
On the other hand, individuals have a right not to be institutionalized until and unless they truly are dangerous. All so complex.
Gun control is the only real answer.
I think what will follow in the MSM are stories of heroes of the VTech tragedy, who sacrificed their lives so that others may live.
Then the MSM will heap glowing praise on itself for bringing us such uplifting news.
Geraldo, wax that mustache. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED !!!
LoudounLib @ 119
Standing up to applaud a woman who works 12 hour shifts and STILL finds time to visit FDL. That’s a committment worth applauding!
LoudounLib @ 119
All the more reason why the nightly news should have some semblance of accuracy rather than trying to be, um, fair and balanced.
Gracias, Spocko.
Pipples like joo and Sr. Reyes keep one energized, to be certain.
I must away now, to hunt the elusive Sangria. The “call of the last”, she ees nearly upon us.
Hasta luego, perritos del fuego.
‘dios
Hasta luego, Gato. Manana, no?
Loo Hoo @ 144
exactly. That’s why all the woulda/coulda/shoulda stuff about the school, the psychiatric facility, and the local police is such red-herring bullshit.
There was an editorial in the NYT today by a young man who knew a similar psycho at Columbia that I found very compelling. That kid may have been as sick or sicker than Cho, but nobody was killed……and guess why? Because he couldn’t have gotten guns in NYC.
Loo Hoo @
144
Since every intelligent person knows that having guns will create more confusion and therefore violence, the only sensible solution is gun control. Canada, Western Europe, even Australia have gun control without restricting the ‘responsible’ use of guns.
!El Gato Negro! @ 148
Hasta manana!
L.S./M.F.T. @ 124
Take it from someone with whom she’s been flirtatious and coquette-ish over drinks — that’s a major ask. Up close, not so pretty.
oddmommy @ 150
Couldn’t get guns LEGALLY in NYC.
Teddy, up close her ugly on the inside was visible?
TPhilip:
And NBC had no way to know if they were the only recipient.
I look forward to chatting with you all again tomorrow, but I am starting to yawn ….
Buenas Noches
Bon Nuit
Laila Tov
and
Good Night
TeddySanFran @ 153
Sorry to go HeteroSexist on MoDo, but I gotta agree. My first impression upon seeing her @ yKos was “mook”. The girlie version of a mook. PedalPushers and flats – on a mook.
Texas Betsy @ 154
Correct, there is always the possibility of getting them illegally……but that’s a whole hell of a lot harder for a f******d up college kid that doesn’t have Soprano connections. That point too was made in the editorial.
Petrocelli @ 102
May might not have but I have. Sheesh, who knew Ireland was a cricketing giant?
Texas Betsy @ 62
Could we talk about ways GWB fits this criteria?
newtonusr @ 158
Please define “mook”.
g’nite, TBetsy
er….what’s a “mook”?
oddmommy @ 150
Cho wasn’t even be monitored by a doctor, that’s not bullshit. If the medical profession doesn’t look after these kind of people with the gun laws being what they are, experience has shown it’s only going to happen again.
Well, I missed the worst of the coverage, but here’s my quick summary of the worst IMO. Oddly enough, the wingnuts have for most part eschewed Korean-bashing after initially failing to make it stick with their base (I guess South Koreans just don’t rank highly enough on their hate lists), but what they have said are, well, wow:
- OhReally: we need more guvmint surveillance and spying to prevent this, and neighbors and fellow students have the right to be warned that a mental patient lives down the hall/around the corner, just like sex offenders
- Coultergeist: wants to turn VTech’s lecture halls into the OK Corrall by passing student concealed carry laws
- Limbaugh: it’s OUR fault (libruls). We promote hatred of the rich which we shoved down the throat of poor Cho.. basically, by irresponsibly dividing America, we murdered 33 people, including the mass murderer himself
- Schlussel: takes the cake. Can’t understand why she can’t blame this on Muslims. First tried to pin this on a hypothetical Pakistani shooter, then on AQ terrorists and then finally , yesterday or so, started citing a story she apparently made up that Muslim student groups at VTech applauded the shootings and denounced Muslims for mourning non-Muslims.
- white supremaciusts/VDare/other assorted scum: managed somehow to blame this on the Jews and their alleged control of the media (citing the ADL)
This this menagerie, who can fault MSNBC? Who ARE these people?
tbsa @ 139
John Dingell (D-Michigan, GM, NRA) promises a bill to close that loophole, where the state mental health records are not shared with the federal gun-purchase background-check system. This is to ensure that Carolyn Maloney (D-NY, DeadSpouseLIRR) doesn’t re-introduce her “”more draconian” gun control bill first.
The NRA’s not stupid; they’ll write the bill they want and give the Dems credit for passing it in the wake of this tragedy. But it will be the bill the NRA wants.
katymine @ 142
His middle school and high school classmates said they first heard him speak when NBC aired his tape.
Loo Hoo: Sure. You bet. And oddmommy. I really would love to hear what they have to say, would they try and convert you? Maybe. But anything that they do would be interesting. What would their strategy be? Hang up on you? I think they will listen very sympathetically and say of course they support all good gun laws.
–Possible NRA response.
(Then it is, “So what are you doing to ensure greater enforcement? Did you work to ensure the assault rifle ban didn’t get renewed? Yes or No? Answer the question. Don’t wait for the translator!”)
I’ll bet that they will say that it is a tragedy and that they had nothing to do with this. That it was a deranged individual who could have killed with a car or a bomb.
They worked to get a CCW law passed that failed. They will probably say that if their HAD been people with CCW permits who were trained this would not have happened. Or that it was the campus’ fault because they were a gun free zone which made them an easy target (Both of these are arguments I’ve heard)
It will be very interesting to find out how they deal with people.
Did you see the movie “Thank you for Smoking?”
Brilliant book, decent movie. But one thing that they do point out is that the mind of the person who is creating the messages is very very smart and facile. I really wonder how they will dismiss you, ignore you or just jolly you on.
They are so extremely good at what they do that I could never talk to them. They are good at “winning the conversation”. Good luck if you do call and let me know what happens.
Oh and they are also the PR firm for Grover Norquist’s Club for Growth. Mr. “Shrink government until you can drown it in the bathtub” Himself.
Mook:
Matt Dillon, as described by Cameron Diaz in “There’s Something About Mary”
Mook:
Paul Wolfowitz
Mook:
Manny, Moe & Jack
Loo Hoo @ 144
in the mid 1980’s(god i hated that decade)in the interest of so called rationalization,people who were slow or not normal in that they did not fit the socially correct picture,who lived and were protected (yes there were some abuses)by state institutions,were ejected into the street to fend for themselves.some ended up where i was living at the time,we did what we could to shelter them.they were helpless.
asylum is a word that means haven and some people do not have to be dangerous to need a place of shelter.i don’t mean locked up or incarcerated for they are not dangerous,but a place of safety from those who would exploit their vulnerability for profit or entertainment.
non-profit institutions with simple work and gardens may sound idealistic,though this is an area religious groups could really show the validity of their ideology.
Don’t forget Newt Gingrich and Wrong Way Malkin, who both blame it on liberals and the feminization of the ‘Murkan Male.
Because, ultimately, you see, it’s our fault. The gays.
Did I mention that? I’ll be making a speech tomorrow where I take “Full Responsibility” like a Bush official, which means moving my mouth and making noises followed by…nothing.
Suzanne @ 143
Stanislaus County (CA) hogfarm tests positive for melamine.
newtonusr @ 170
still unclear. pretend i am culturally illiterate.
Thank you, Teddy.
Suzanne @ 155
Clear as a bell.
Um…I think a mook is a person with one big eyebrow, a gold chain, bad breath, and an earnest desire to hump your leg. These specimens are particularly common in the northeastern united states where they are also known as Goombahs. At least, that is the impression I’m getting from the examples given.
47% of guns involved in NYC crimes come from Virginia. Bloomberg sent NYPD undercovers to Virginia to do bad buys, and sued the gunshops that made sales
Virginia’s response? They made it illegal. Not selling the guns; sending the undercovers from outta state.
TRex @ 177
Thanks! This time I am really logging off.
Texas Betsy @ 174
yeah. that’s just a tease.
Petrocelli @151
Since every intelligent person knows that having guns will create more confusion and therefore violence, the only sensible solution is gun control. Canada, Western Europe, even Australia have gun control without restricting the ‘responsible’ use of guns.
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Oi, enough of the ‘even Australia’, stuff
TeddySanFran says
Yep, that’s right. The tainted recalled pet food, that killed over 4,000 pets, was sold to feed pigs. The pigs were killed and shipped to a few places. Can we find out where? No. Not yet. Not until the news and weather with Sunny Storm. (aka., “let the companies know first so they can avoid bad publicity”. I do have some sympathy for that approach especially if they can get to the food fast and remove it, but how much time do they give them? 4hrs. 8? 24?)
Also some of the food made it to a rendering plant. We don’t know what happened to that.
(A side note, in college I had contact with some people who worked in a rendering plant. That is some of the nastiest work on the planet. The smell alone is horrific.)
TRex @ 172
Don’t forget the blame cast on the Brits when they put a woman (a mother of babes!!) in harm’s way in Iran. Any military that would allow women to serve in danger like that needed its value system overhauled, they said.
We are being set up for a Big Strong Daddy response to something bad. From that part of the world.
Texas Betsy @ 174
Mook
Mook
Mook
BTW, I’m the culturally illiterate one here.
TeddySanFran @ 178
Jeez. I grew up in NYC……to quote the great David Byrne, “HOW did I get here?”
TSF: can you describe your encounter with the Dowdager? I’m fascinated in the manner of an etymologist with a new species of cockroach…….
spocko @ 182
There was much explanation on the local teevee news that “the rendering plant sells to individuals, who are known, and being contacted. This food does not enter the normal distribution system.”
Forgive me if I do not believe.
mook
a contemptible, incompetent person.
An insignificant or contemptible person.
TRex @ 75
I’m thinking a ball-gag might be more her style. She might like it enough to keep it on.
TeddySanFran @
178
Please forgive me for not reading all the comments tonight – but I wanted to know if there was proof that VA law prohibits people who are declared “a danger to themselves and others” information being sent to the gun registry? Or is it a national law?
I would like links to proof – arguing with my sister on this one :) Those of you who know me know why this is important. Thanks in advance.
FDA knew of dangers to food
Right, and I’ve got your WMDs right here.
Heh. You mean you didn’t leave them in your other pants?
And here I thought you were just glad to see me.
Ahem.
Alright, that’s it for me. Good night, firedogs!
g’nite TRex. sleep well
Okay, I was saving mommybrain’s and the brainfamily’s seats with revdeb at YKos when I saw Her at the end of the drinks line. I walked up and chatted in a manly way. We talked for five minutes, and I purchased her white wine when we reached the server. (She was unhappy with the wine selection.)
Then, as I paid (and ordered my cocktailS, seeing that the line had greatly expanded in our wake) she did a silly eyelash-flapping, hair-brushing-aside, Strong-Male-engaging thing and thanked me. We stepped out of the line (me with drinks in hand) and I engaged The Lisp.
She turned around cold and spoke to the next available [straight] male.
Not that I expected a longer conversation for my $4.00, but I was in midsentence. My recollection is that she’d actually asked me a question and I was in mid-answer, but her finely honed -dar had alerted, and we were done talking. Perhaps she’d also decided I was completely D-List (true) and that I’d gotten my money’s worth.
Suzanne @ 190
Isn’t there proof that the CFO of one of the companies involved sold stock after he knew and before the public announcement? An SEC investigation might trap them just as tidily as any number of grieving pet owners (think Al Capone).
The FDA has been cutting way back on inspections for the last few years. They don’t care if you die because you pay for the food before you eat it.
Remember when the EPA assured the rescue workers in NYC that the air was safe, when they knew it wasn’t?
The agencies that were meant to protect us do not. FDA, EPA, FEMA, sound and fury signifying nothing.
We now live in YOYO world (you’re on your own).
jeez, teddy, i see what you mean about her ugly on the inside being clear as a bell. that was just rude of her and there is no excuse for rudeness. none.
Ah the D-List shun. Truly horrible. Happened to me one early in my life at a meeting. When the guy found out I wasn’t anyone (he thought I was at first) he physically turned his body away to exclude me from the circle of people talking.
I was so taken aback I didn’t know what to do. But the story has a bright ending. I walked to the side of the room and sat down. The woman there was also treated like a ‘nobody’ but she was exactly the woman I need to meet. She gave me a lead to my first job!
I’ll never forget being snubbed and when I’m in that position I always go out of my way to try and treat ‘d-listers’ with respect. Today’s d-lister is tomorrows b-lister!
Suzanne @
197
Dowd is a rude Noo Yokkah? You don’t see those vewy often.
TRex @ 75
Think she’ll show up at YKos2 again?
I hope she does – on the wrong weekend.
Suzanne @ 197
Maybe “mook” was poorly chosen, but…
I chatted with MoDo during and after Gov. Richardson’s little chat upstairs. Teddy’s description seems apt – the place was nothing but “D-listers, and she couldn’t wait to get a shower and back to her office down the hall from Freidman.
She had unkind words for the venue (The Riviera), which has admittedly, seen better days, but she seemed to be talking shit about the hotel because, and I’m paraphrasing, “Only this place would let this rabble meet here.”
Suzanne @ 201
heh heh..
Suzanne @ 197
she was on the prowl for a dirty dirty blogger and I did not meet her needs.
TeddySanFran says
April 22nd, 2007 at 11:21 pm
Yep. But they are in Canada traded on the Canadian stock exchange so the SEC analog will do the investigation. But to be fair, I don’t know the situation on that deal, often times they schedule sales at certain times just because they are so tied into any news any good or bad.
My guess is that he had scheduled a sale well in advance and as he said it was “an unfortunate coincidence” I did check the Canadian equivalent of Edgar for any unusual notices before this happened. I found one that seemed hinky, but without further proof couldn’t be sure.
Off to bed.
Hey I’m a rude New Yorker by birth!
TeddySanFran @ 206
Oy, I’ve never met one before. Hope to meet you a YK2, Teddy.
((((((((((Good night TRex))))))))))
TeddySanFran @
206
… if only she had known … *g*
(waving across monterey bay to npb)
Suzanne @ 210
Right back at cha Ms. Suzanne ;~)
Oh, I know Petrocelli! I have the highest regard for TSF. Who’s smarter?
Loo Hoo @
212
TSF, obviously.
Sorry, Petrocelli. I didn’t mean TSF was the smarter of you two! I don’t know you that well yet. I just know that TSF blows me away.
Loo Hoo @
214
Oh, I thought you meant who’s smarter, TSF or MoDo? *g*
FYI, he’s most probably smarter than me as well ;-)
Anyone know if there are any good hearings this week? Any scheduled document dumps or subpoenas due to be ignored?
Petrocelli @ 215
well, this is a silly argument. clearly TRex is smarter!
Yeah, but he’s a chicken at heart. *g*
I clearly come into this discussion as stupid!
I’m with Suzanne. What Waxman/Leahy goodies do we have this week?
Suzanne @ 216
Wish I knew – but I am oh so looking forward for the video of Karl wigging out like a frightened sociopathic troll when Cheryl Crow put her hand on him — “don’t touch me!” he shouted in a most repulsive fear laced screech….much like a deranged fish wife in a Dickens novel.
Loo Hoo @
219
Does anyone know when Condi & Card are supposed to appear? Did Waxman set a timeline for them?
Extended Krugman excerpts at Mark Thoma’s Economist’s View, per usual.
newspaperbrat @ 220
If Rove meets Dowd, who do you suppose will win the “brush off’ match?
SusanD @
196
Did you catch the story in NYT about America’s rising infant mortality rate (again)?
nytimes link
Infant mortality has long been the signal indicator of human development.. in shrub’s first term, we dropped to dead last in the industrialized world (tied with Latvia and vaguely worse than the rest of the Warsaw Pact I think). So it’s not like we could get any worse I guess….
Thanks shrub, for undeveloping America. The lsss-than-zero presidency.
Petrocelli @
221
http://oversight.house.gov/
Goodies! Candy! Popcorn.
Blub @
224
The rise in infant mortality rate is a tragedy as is the rise in autism. I have written to Bill Gates, asking him to highlight to the President, this grave and gathering danger to future generations, but so far, no response. If any of you know the Gates or any of America’s top philanthropists, please send them a note.
Woo Loo Hoo! Gives us all plenty of time on Monday to stock up our cupboards & fridge. Life is good!
g’nite firepups!
see you on the morrow, sweet dreams.
TeddySanFran @
228
g’nite TSF.
g’nite all.
Anne Holliday @
200
I don’t know the treatment she got lost time, but I can bet a lot of people will tell her what for this time. They’ll tell her kindly what they think of her most recent column. Ask her if she’ll write the same about Mitt. I bet Mitt spends just as much on grooming as John Edwards does. Or maybe they’ll ask MoDo if she thinks bat shit crazy(ie McCain) is sexy.
g’nite Teddy. sweet dreams
g’nite Petrocelli. sleep well.
Blub @
224
I never understood that. How can a country like America be bottom of the barrel in stuff like infant mortality?
Petrocelli @
226
Except that one is a mystery wrapped up in an enigma and the other one, infant mortality, is undisputably attributable to cuts by shrub and the rethugs to Federal entitlement programs and diminising opportunities for the poor to get pre-natal healthcare in general.
Joe Klein’s conscience @
233
It will shock you to know in how many instances America is at the bottom of the barrel, compared to other developed nations … even Australia *g*
Just kidding, Persiflage.
G’nite Suzanne.
Could the infiant mortaity rate issue be because the US is the only industrialised 1st world country in the world without some form of universal health care. Find this stageringly unbelievable.
Re the world cup cricket. Australia will go through to win undefeated. Yay!!!!!
That’s it for me tonight, folks. G’nite all.
Blub @ 234
Sorry, one last comment. Autism is not a ‘mystery wrapped in enigma’ any more than Iraq’s WMDs. There is good science on causes and treatments for autism, check out http://www.iahp.org., which is an American Institute and is acknowledged worldwide. Bush is contributing to the rise in autism by rolling back laws governing air and water pollution. RFK jr. has given some excellent talks on this.
Probably, coupled with the belief that universal healthcare goes against Jesus’ commandment (as interpreted by the rethugs) that the poor and brown among His flock just deserve to die.
Debbie(aussie) @
236
Debbie(aussie) @ 236
Darn it, my drowsiness went away as soon as you mentioned cricket ;-)
Their (your) only competition will be Sri Lanka. I don’t think S.A. or N.Z. can reach up to the level of the Aussies.
Right, now I’ll be flogged by the Pretoria and Kiwi fans ;-)
I disagree with much of what was said. Cho is quite different from the Columbine Killers and others like them. His behavior is better explained by Schizophrenia- a disease of the brain (with both biochemical and structural abnormalities)as opposed to a personality disorder, which may better describe some of the others mentioned e.g. Coulter, Limbaugh etc. Attempting to explain this type of thinking/ behavior, in those unfortunate individuals suffering with Schizophrenia has long ago been abandoned. His behavior is better understood as the result of a combination of paranoid delusions, perceptual abnormalities i.e. hallucinations and disorganized/incoherent thinking as the result of perturbations of brain function. Sometimes a pencil is a pencil.
Yes Petrocelli, good thing we are playing south Africa in the semi’s I think. Should be an excellent final.
Is somebody suggesting that Cho suffers from the same ailment as Limbaugh? I took the comments above to be more allegorical than anything else… well. Cho’s a murderously ill, and quite possibly, evil, psychopath. Limbaugh, Coulter et al are sane, AND evil… although it should be noted that they, thank God, have not yet been given the opportunity to kill anybody
Peace, Love, Dove. It just seems so elementary.
Debbie(aussie) @
242
I don’t know which I have enjoyed more … McGrath’s bowling, Hayden’s batting or Ponting’s invincible strategies. This looks like the best Aussie team of all time.
Debbie(aussie) @
236
The U.S. has universal healthcare. It’s called “the emergency room.” Unfortunately, it’s ineffective and expensive to operate.
It will shock you to know in how many instances America is at the bottom of the barrel, compared to other developed nations … even Australia *g*
Just kidding, Persiflage.
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You funny Petrocelli, you sure you’re Canadian?
Loo Hoo @
244
One of many great quotes from Glenn Doman of http://www.iahp.org goes something like this:
“Talking to those on death row, there seems to be one glaring similarity … none of them said that excess love drove them to crime.” (highlight mine).
persiflage @ 247
LOL
Suzanne – if you are still here you have fresh mail.
We’re in quite a situation here in America. It is most embarrassing that our people have allowed this to happen. I do have high hopes for 2008, but I also have a retreat in another country.
persiflage @
247
Do you guys think this is the best Aussie team ever? My dad talked of Bradman, Miller and Co., I remember the team of the ’70s, with the Chappels, Lillee, Thomson, etc. but this team is so dominant, physically and mentally, over all their opponents that I think it may very well be the best ever.
Petrocelli @ 249
And how does a Canadian develop a love of teh Cricket?
Loo Hoo @ 251
Bill Clinton once said, “There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be fixed with what is right with America.”
I think if the American people can be more active in their governance and not take their rights for granted, the country can make an incredible turnaround in 4 – 8 years.
OT – for any central CA coast pups still around tonight recent Book Salon author Jeffrey Feldman will be a guest of the Friends of the Stowitts Museum in Pacific Grove on the Monterey peninsula on Tuesday, May 8th from 5:30 PM to 7:3o PM for a book chat, signing and reception in the Ruth St. Denis gallery. Admission is free and guests are welcome to bring their own copies for author signing and his book will be available for sale on site.
If anyone wants to receive a personal invitation which guarantees preferred seating just drop me an email with your mailing address and your invitation will go out to you by the end of the new week. newspaperbratATgoogleDOTcom.
And now back to your reguarly scheduled Late Nite!
Loo Hoo @ 251
Good for you LooHoo – I wish I had a retreat figured out but I oh so appreciate your wise planning.
persiflage @ 253
We make the ‘lesser kids’ play it to hone their hockey skills. *g*
Would it surprise you to hear that most high schools in Toronto have a cricket team and that there are citywide tournaments?
The civility of the game is a major attraction for kids.
Do you guys think this is the best Aussie team ever? My dad talked of Bradman, Miller and Co., I remember the team of the ’70s, with the Chappels, Lillee, Thomson, etc. but this team is so dominant, physically and mentally, over all their opponents that I think it may very well be the best ever.
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That’s really hard to say because, while we’ve become stronger, the opposition hasn’t. I’d love to see a clash between this Aussie team and the West Indies of the 60s and 70s, now that would be a game to stay up until 4am for.
I totally agree with you, Petrocelli. I have no doubt that if we get the right people in office, it will turn around. It has just been so weird to see my country go so crazy, it’s surreal.
I know that most of my friends here at FDL do not like the idea of Hillary in 2008, but I think she may be just the ticket. Her ability to use Bill Clinton as the ambassador to the world is one of the many things we need right now.
Perhaps I’m a bit late or should not be participating in this debate at all. One meme does stand out about young people who turn into mass murderers the world over is that each and every one of them is inevitably characterised as “loners”. I keep asking has uncontrolled bullying in schoolyards from a very young age got anything to do with the intense social/human alienation that these people suffer? This happens to gay/lesbian/socio-ethnic minority young people even today and it used to be a lot worse when I went through school a long time ago. There is a lot of valid comments re our (Western culture), that rewards schoolyard bullies and the current POTUS/Rove regime comes to mind. ‘No Child Left Behind’ focuses too much on silly tests but does not have any concern about school managements’ responsibilities re coping with bullying, an inevitable characteristic of adolescents attempting to form peer cliques – not that different to what Rove has been masterminding with the Repug base, and preparing young people to create healthy communities. What Cho did is not forgiveable but he seems to have been bullied from junior school. Would he have turned out a different person if teachers took more responsibility in accommodating him as a valued member of the social milieu? I had been a a Head of Department in a senior High School (Years/Grades 11 & 12) and Senior Lecturer/ Asst Head of Dept in adult education preparing students to enter their Honours year for a BA in a previous incarnations. I am talking from experience of dealing with young people and also as a parent. I know how peer group acceptance/rejection has an effect on individuals running the gamut of this growing up ritual. Is it really civilised to be bullies? Where are the societal organisations to promote civility and a civic sense of being responsible members of a diverse pluralist society?
persiflage @
258
Yes, Sobers, Kanhai & Co. had some great matches with those Aussie teams. In all fairness, the Aussie team has improved so much in all avenues while the other teams lagged in improving their techniques; or like India, Pakistan, West Indies, the politicians choose the players.
I love the fact that when an Aussie gets injured, he has to earn his way back onto the team. Try telling Sachin Tendulkar that.
Petrocelli @257
We make the ‘lesser kids’ play it to hone their hockey skills. *g*
Would it surprise you to hear that most high schools in Toronto have a cricket team and that there are citywide tournaments?
The civility of the game is a major attraction for kids.
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Surprise me? No. Flabbergast me? Yes. Delight me? Shit, yeah. I was so disappointed when the captain of the Irish team gave a press conference. Instead of “Oh, yah, we got da luck of the little people on our side, begorrah” you hear “Yair, mate, …”
So TRex, I’m bowled over, because after a lot of cogitation, and reading a HuffPo article that said Cho should have been referred to the POLICE after he started stalking, not a shrink… I mean, after you read that, doesn’t it make sense?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..46327.html
After cogitating a couple days, I wrote a post at another blog that said this:
AND then I see this here quoting “Malignant narcissists” — which is from a book by Paul Levy, who wrote the book “The Madness of George W. Bush; A Reflection of Our Collective Psychosis”. I mean, I read an entire book contending that Bush (et al) are Malignant Narcissists…
and doesn’t that just come the full circle from my quote above?
PS There are quotes from Levy’s book on the Internet, articles that summarize his case. Worth reading.
PS bullying is not cricket
Loo Hoo @ 259
It’s fun talking about politics & cricket at the same time. I think any Democrat will use Clinton as a world ambassador. He & Jimmy Carter are great emissaries for America and are greatly respected worldwide, unlike the Bushes and Rep. nominees – Dole, etc.
sona @ 264
See, that’s why we love our game. Nobody’s ever going to say of something unfair “That’s just not boxing”
Petrocelli @ 31
Greetings from north of north of the border.
Loo Hoo @ 259
I understand your support of Hillary and once shared such enthusiasm. Her supporters must persuade her to bite the pride bullet and stand down on her support for the war, rid herself of the Rahm Emanuels and other DNC baggage and shake off the Republican taint she brought on herself.
Am holding out for relecting President Gore myself, and failing that John Edwards appeals to me but I will admit if Hillary somehow manages to succeed with the nomination I will vote and work for her election – just not with the joy and enthusiasm I have for Al Gore getting in the race and/or accepting a citizen draft to run and win again.
persiflage @ 262
The Irish gave a lesson to the other teams like India, Pakistan, England on how to play with heart … not just stuffing your team with spoilt millionaires.
Ed*ard Teller @ 267
Where do you live, friend?
Ed*ard Teller @ 267
Greetings from so far north of north of the border that I’m south of it.
Here’s a formula:
Malignant Narcissism
times
Government as a criminal enterprise
=
George W. Bush.
Petrocelli @ 270
On a quiet lake between Palmer and Wasilla Alaska, almost 50 miles north of Anchorage. The best cricket match I ever watched was between a team of Indian expats from Seattle and a Paki-Canadian team from Vancouver at Stanley Park. The highlight of the game was the asti spumante served during the break between innings by the hosting Pakis. I slept through the second half of the match. Where do you live?
Those guys truly play for love of the game … and the asti spumante lent a ’spiritual’ aspect, no doubt ;-)
FYI, before some ‘politically correct’ freak lashes you, “Paki” is as racially hurtful to brown people as the “N” word.
Cheers
I gotta go, been fun chatting Petrocelli, I await with both pleasure and a tinge of concern, for the rise of the fun-loving, world-beating (OK, world-scaring) Canadian cricket team!
newspaperbrat @ 268
Newspaperbrat,
I totally understand. Hillary has to figure out something acceptable with regard to the war. And quickly. If she were willing to do that,(plan for an end) and bite the bullet with friendly behavior with anyone connected to GWB,
she could have it locked up. The problem she has, is that she needs to decide where she stands. Once she decides, she needs to go after it full force,
That being said, if she doesn’t know where she stands, it’s too late. If she knows where she stands and won’t go public with it, it’s too late. It’s time for Hillary to go public. I would love to support her if she has the sense to support the USA.
persiflage @
275
As soon as we can convince the I.C.C. to cover the field with ice …
Finally, G’nite all.
Petrocelli @ 277
And issue players with skates, hey they could use different bats too, let’s call em sticks!
Petrocelli @ 274
This was 34 years ago, and that was what my friend, born in Lahore, called himself and his “mates.”
The Opinion section of Sunday’s LA Times had side-by-side articles the first of which was “Our zero-tolerance society,” http://www.latimes.com/news/op…..-rightrail
That was followed by “Wolfowitz walked into a trap” http://www.latimes.com/news/op…..-rightrail
People are being so mean to poor, embattled neocons these days. Have a heart, guys.
TeddySanFran @ 194
Y’know, I don’t think I’ve ever met a single famous person (not even the 15-minute variety), and if I’m really lucky, I never will. :)
OT
hi all. been mostly swamped w/ work – this is good. i check in. wanted to interject this into the mix. i hope some of y’all pick it up and spread it around. Those permanent bases need to be addressed, here’s a real good opportunity–
Matt Browner Hamlin on Huffington Post (& my left nutmeg):
“Senator Dodd and Governor Richardson are moving the discussion to where it needs to be. But this isn’t just about taking a more respectable, sensible position within the Democratic field. The discussion on permanent bases being held within the Democratic primary field will help determine how the country on whole thinks about what a withdrawal of American forces would look like. …
…When Democratic presidential candidates make the future of their campaigns about the smartest course of actions for ending American involvement in the quagmire in Iraq, they create cover for other Democrats to stand by them and do the same. This, in turn, will create an atmosphere where Congress feels empowered to do its job and legislate a withdrawal of American forces. Dodd and Richardson are showing real leadership here, exactly the kind that is requisite to end the war in Iraq and bring all of our troops home to the heroes welcome they deserve.” link
Call these guys & thank them & tell them to stand strong:
Senator Chris Dodd:(202) 224-2823
Governor Richardson:(505) 476-2200
petrocelli & persiflage
i’m a brit & an aussie from down under & i think shane warne, despite all his faux pas, is poetry in motion as a rare spin bowler – i’m somewhat ancient but too young for Sobers, Bradman et al but i also love Tendulkar’s batting when he gets going – aussies today have the killer instinct just right, money helps
i’m married to a canuck, a newfie, but had to come back – missed cricket too much and the sun and the sand and the surf, also my girls – but what i still miss most is football – countries that do not have the subtlety to play it like silk brocade call it soccer………….
there you go with reminiscences – cricket is great and you know what? the next to next generation of aussie cricketers is going to be very multicultural as aus really is whether or not howard admits it but then he’s going senile
ps I hope – he (howard) has to be a gonner – i’m working hard at it
Good morning, pups. Today Bob Herbert writes on the “Imus virus,” and Paul Krugman’s column is on the standoff over the supplemental funding bill.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
Coffee and tea are ready, and croissants. Have a good day, even if it is Monday.
john in california @
81
Absolutely. Anyone who has had any contact with paranoid schizophrenia would agree.
I would say that this post is a wonderful example of projection.
Marion in Savannah @
285
Thanks, Marion. Krugman is superb as usual.
It’s interesting how he says exactly what Pach said Saturday night but from an interestingly different perspective.
DrJ said it well:
I have a step-brother with a very similar (identical) form of schizophrenia. We have had several close calls in which the police were called in and he was forcibly jailed, then hospitalized and forced to take his meds.
However, our family was well educated about the illness and my step-brother lives in a community with pretty decent mental health services, and the police and the EMT know what is “up” with him. All of these factors were missing in Cho’s situation.
Add to that a general populations which is woefully ignorant about mental illness and jumps to conclusions like those in this post.
I really expect better of Firedoglake.
Suzanne @
72
Marion@285 has posted a link.
(Pls pardon OT… multiply EPU’d)
Feeling adventuresome? Interested in who else is in the FDL community, and where they are? Maybe get in touch with them via anonymous message?
Hope to see you on our unofficial FirePup Fan map. Pls don’t forget to pick the right pin for yourself, and to add a fun “shoutout” and maybe a pic. At this writing, there’re 346 of us with pins! :)
(… and now we return you to your normally-scheduled thread, in progress …)
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[Modnote: please post this no more than once a day, thanks]
Brilliant.
The use of the painting of Narcissus also genuis. This leads me to postulate (enlarging on what youj point to) that this is the bullet that Myspace dodged, but will get hit with one day. This mediocre soapbox, a point of condensation for our celebrity culture, Myspace becomes the perfect metaphor for this murderous rampage and it’s revelation about our current moment.
mornin’ pups,
S.O.S. – am enjoying the Frappr map – thanks!
interesting to see so many signed up over there but still not commenting here
Katymine@142:
I know this will be EPUd,but my son has Asperger’s Syndrome and I’ve known more than one kid who has AS via the school system. NONE of these kids are violent.They may get frustrated or upset,but find me a kid who doesn’t do drama sometimes. My son is affectionate and kind hearted,to the point other”normal”kids have targeted him and taken advantage of him. He wears a target,sadly,and he can’t help that. He wouldn’t be such a loner if one or two kids would reach out,but no one in a school of 1300 has bothered. He’s the bravest kid I know,he goes to that school every damned day knowing full well he’ll be teased,bullied and excluded. I think it says more about the”normal”people in my community(wealthy Metro Atlanta suburbs,very right wing megachurchy place)than it ever could about my son.
On the other hand,I do see how a world that labels kids like mine as “wierd”and excludes them from alot of things would lead to anger if the kid didn’t have parents who took the steps to understand him and help him. Which is demanding and frustrating for the parents,I know. Try doing it with no family support,friends who long since abandoned you and a spouse who is gone half of every month for his job. It’s not fun.
AS kids are not “autistic enough”alot of the time to get help they would get if they were more “severe” on the autism spectrum. Once they leave elementary school the services dry up pretty quick,so does community and medical help unless you want to go broke paying out of pocket.
Kids with Asperger’s have such a hard time as it is,I don’t think it’s wise for any lay person to try to diagnose someone’s mental health issues. Asperger’s is a physical problem too,it doesn’t go away with drugs or therapy or any combo of the two.
‘Morning, FirePups. Happy Monday! Here’s wishing for a week like last week: multiple resignations by Repugs from committees and at least one more senior administration official on the hot seat.
Woodhall Hollow @
28
Then take a role as a responsible advocate and educator here. People cannot be excellent at everything; many of us are excellent in the study of the law, technology, arts, etc., but may have gaps in knowledge about the nature and treatment of mental illness at any given time, depending on the FireDogLake commenters present. Keep in mind this thread and the comments in it were posted on a Sunday night — not exactly an optimum slot for FDL folks who are our experts in the subject matter in question.
S.O.S. from MA @ 290
Love the Frappr map; hope you’ll not mind if I don’t pin point my location since I have reasons to try and keep the pseudonym separate from the individual in real life. ;-)
EvilDrPuma @ 112
I wholeheartedly agree. Having worked in inpatient pyschiatry at VA hospitals for almost 20 years I can’t begin to count the number of paranoid schizophrenics I’ve dealt with. For the most part they are meek and terrified of the “real” world. In a state of acute pyschosis they are almost entirely incapable of planning, much less carrying out, such actions. That said, there are those who commit violent crimes but they are definitely in the minority. We had one patient who walked into his psychiatrist’s office and shot him between the eyes. That was the only such instance I have encountered in those 20 years. Many more schizophrenics commit suicide than do harm to others. Many believe schizophrenics to be violent because they see them in the acute pyschotic phase, when they are struggling with those trying to control their behaviour. We will probably never know what motivated Cho, but to diagnose via video is oh so Dr Frist.
I will say that this tragedy could have been avoided had (1) a functioning mental health system been in place in this country and (2) state and federal authorities devised a system to prevent gun sales to such individuals. As long as the NRA has leverage in Congress the carnage will continue. Handguns are not designed to shoot at tin cans. They are designed to kill people. And as a veteran of almost 4 years in Viet Nam, I have a little knowledge of that horror as well.
New thread from Scarecrow.
Tell Me How All This Ends—-II
anangryoldbroad @ 293
Under state law here (may be different from state to state), if a school asks for a diagnosis because of challenges in the classroom, it assumes responsibility for treatment and therapy. Consequently Asperger’s is “ignored” although it can be highly disruptive in a classroom, depending on the severity. Learned this after coaching an afterschool program with an Asperger’s child; more than half my attention was spent on the one child and the other half on the remaining 15 in the program. Very challenging to persons who are not trained in this area; the child was equally disruptive during school, and the school refused to do anything because of the liability and expense. It was compounded by the child’s parents who appeared to believe the behavior was normal…
AAOB, I also didn’t take katymine’s comments as a diagnosis, only as an acknowledgment that Asperger’s would complicate the situation. A child or adult that does not have the physical capacity to interact socially within norm in a school environment where there are many other highly-gifted technically-oriented individuals and a likely higher-than-average incidence of Asperger’s in the population may not be perceived as readily by others as having a problem with mental illness. Note that it was a non-technical instructor who ejected Cho from their class and not technical instructors.
Katymine @142 and Angryoldbroad @293
It does bear bringing it into the realm of Autism and Asperger’s.
This is complex stuff.
Angryoldbroad, you practically make the case in point that typically these kids are almost Down’s syndrome-like in their kindness — and lack of social agenda (and that your loving home has been a buffer to mitigate your son’s daily harassment).
AS kids can be straightforward in social interactions, while grasping complexities of concepts (think Autistic Savant). Regular people, imho, tend to be the exact opposite, Karl Rove is a good example. Convoluted to the nth degree in social relationships, while aggravatingly ignorant when it comes to understanding the details of the impact of his actions.
It’s a continuum. And we’ve yet to find a balance.
Shorter everyone on the Internet:
Look at what our DoD spending and agenda is doing to everything else (health care, mental health, education, elevation of the absurd)
Shorter Cho: I concur
This might be a little sick, but I suppose we should be glad that Cho won’t be around to run for president or more possibly to inherit Karl Rove’s job.
TeddySanFran @
153
Could you indulge your misogyny somewhere else?
Joel Mael
It hurts you to look at her? Sooo soorry about that. All womens appearance should be such that it pleases you.
These disagreeable women just need a good s…ing.
This bullshit is so old and disgusting. Can’t we let it go.
Joel Mael
Rayne @ 294
My apologies, my criticism was not directed at commentors, as from what I could tell they were simply following htge lead of the post author. And his post shows tremendous ignorance, not only about mental illness, but of psychology in general.
And I don’t see what difference it makes what time of day this was written. I saw it here when I came to read on a Monday morning.
I love what I read here at Firedoglake–and the community of commentators. But this post was so very far off the mark I had to say something.
Sona at #260 is right on target. I saw on tv from Mexico City a couple of days ago an interview, translated into Spanish, of a co-ed at VT tending a little memorial site to Cho – apparently there are four of them – and she was absolutely correct in what she said. Her main point was that forgiveness was premised not only on guilt, expresed or obvious, but on understanding, with understanding being perhaps the most important.
She said that the murderer who took his life was also part of the communal tragedy, and that his life also had had value. She spoke of the incident, apparently one of many, when the younger Cho was called on to read out loud in class, and when he stood mute, and finally attempted to read, the class hooted with laughter and invired him to return to China, until Cho fled from the room.
It is disturbing, at least to me, to see so many armchair diagnoses of mental pathologies which consciously or not ignore some of the reasons for aberrant behavior.
I am reminded of Kubrick’s “Full Metal Jacket” and the writings of James Baldwin and Malcolm X.
Yes, there are underlying causes which, in the case of minorities and immigrants who crack, as Cho did, that white America conveniently continues to ignore. Sometimes we truly reap what we sow.
See novelist/psychologist Jonathan Kellerman on today’s Wall Street Journal editorial page:
In the 1970’s, with the backing of psychologists RD Laing and Thomas Szaz, California led the nation in shutting its mental institutions. Liberals and libertarians agreet: The theory was that those schizophrenic patients needed to be ‘free’ and it was not fair to require meds to keep their demons under control.
California then saved money by putting the mentally ill on the streets where they no longer had modest treatment, safe beds and 3 meals a day — and refusing to fund the ‘alternative’ community mental health facilities. Schizophrenics did not choose to come in for their medications, and often self-medicated with alcohol or heroin. The outcome is denziens of mentally ill homeless, and people (probably like the Virginia Tech shooter) with serious mental illness who cannot be easily hospitalized or treated — even when their behavior is obviously inappropriate or might be dangerous.
Reconsider this policy now, suggests Kellerman. How do we protect peoples’ civil liberties, but provide the dignity of treatment and safe care for people who are seriously mentally ill, and may harm themselves or others.
Angryoldbroad.
You’re right, I agree with you (as another AS parent), but they’re gonna get a lynch mob up anyway. People enjoyed the Salem witch trials too.
There is not one shred of good statistical evidence that AS kids (or anyone else on the Autistic spectrum) are a risk for violent behavior, but the media are gonna sell it, and the schools are gonna buy it. You should see the number of people who jumped on me here when I sad something like this the other night. Wow. But then you’re another insider. And everyone knows we’re bad parents. Ignorance is bliss.
Cheers, it’s gonna get worse, even though it’s totally wrong. The mob needs someone to blame, and they don’t care who.
beentheredonethat from http://www.wrongplanet.net