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(Photo of angel statue giving a thumbs down via R80o.)
Alberto Gonzales did not have the best day yesterday, did he? In fact, from where I sat watching the entire hearing from start to finish, it was difficult, combative and nasty -- and that was just when the Republican Senators were asking questions.
Although, frankly, there has been a fairly long string of bad days of late. There was that letter from several prominant libertarian conservatives calling on him to resign because he is an incompetent political shill who doesn't uphold the Constitution. Ouch. There is the letter from a number of DoJ employees to Congress detailing how politicized even the college intern program has become in terms of hiring -- not based on merit, but based on political affilation and activity -- including detailing where to find all the evidence thereon. Double ouch. There is the rising number of questions about the gutting of the civil rights division at the DoJ, and the politicization of the cases that are prosecuted so that they are skewed toward suppressing minority and poor voters' rights.
Former US Attorneys and Department of Justice lawyers are speaking out -- and it isn't pretty. Patrick M. Collins had a scathing op-ed earlier in the week in the Chicago Tribune.
A DOJ process that exalts partisan political loyalty over independence and fairness is a fundamentally flawed one. Political blinders are critical to a prosecutor because, without them, important decisions about how cases are investigated and prosecuted can be hijacked by improper considerations with tangible (even tragic) consequences. Naturally, this is most critical in political corruption cases, the legitimacy of which hinges on the political independence of the prosecutive team's work.In corruption cases, the potential for partisan shenanigans may arise in two different ways, each of which disserves the interests of justice. First, partisan prosecutors might ignore credible allegations of corruption because they fear embarrassing their political party or patron. Second, partisan prosecutors might pursue flimsy allegations for political purposes....
We have heard as a defense of the summary dismissal of eight U.S. attorneys that all U.S. attorneys "serve at the pleasure of the president." And that, of course, is true. But they must never serve only to please the president. U.S. attorneys serve the people of the United States. (emphasis mine)
I bring this up because Sen. Whitehouse used this so effectively in yesterday's hearing during his questioning of the Attorney General. (Whitehouse, I have to say, was very impressive in terms of his personal command of the situation -- having so recently been a USAtty in Rhode Island.) Alberto Gonzales either did not get this crucial point -- or he was being deliberately obtuse throughout the day yesterday in an effort to refuse to acknowledge that this was the very sin that he and his political appointee minions have attempted to foist on the Department of Justice at the behest of some as-yet-not-publicly-identified-by-the-AG political opportunists at the White House and the DoJ.
While Alberto Gonzales bears substantial responsibility for allowing himself to be used as a political tool in his position at the DoJ, he was not the only person who was acting in this way -- and, thus, should not be the only person who faces consequences for this perversion of the justice system. The actions taken, and their ever-widening consequences, are as offensive as they are wrong to anyone who has ever tried to uphold the standards of integrity and justice in enforcing the rule of law that any decent prosecutor should adhere to in the performance of their duties.
And it was appallingly clear yesterday -- in very stark terms -- just how little the Attorney General of the United States either knew or cared to answer with regard to specifics. Repeating a mantra over and over again that he was responsible is merely stating the obvious. And anyone who has any commitment at all to the notions of justice and honesty and integrity ought to be appalled by his performance.
Dana Milbank has a sketch of the Committee proceedings that includes some color commentary on the AG's demeanor that really brings home just how squirmy and weaselly the non-answer tap dance was yesterday:
The hearing was billed as Gonzales's chance to explain the contradictions, omissions and falsehoods in his response to the firings. But instead of contrition, the attorney general treated the committee to a mixture of arrogance, combativeness and amnesia. Even his would-be defenders on the Republican side were appalled....For much of the very long day, the attorney general responded like a child caught in a lie. He shifted his feet under the table, balled his hands into fists and occasionally pointed at his questioners. He defended his actions: "The decision stands." He denied responsibility: "This was a process that was ongoing that I did not have transparency into." He blamed the victims: "Poor judgment . . . poor management." He blamed his subordinates: "When there are attacks against the department, you're attacking the career professionals."
Mostly, though, he retreated to memory loss. He was asked about the firing of the Arkansas U.S. attorney. "I have no recollection about that." The Nevada prosecutor? "I just don't recall the reason." The western Michigan U.S. attorney? "I don't recall."
You know what is most offensive? That whole "if you criticize our many disgusting failures, you are criticizing the USAttys" malarky. You want offensive -- how about asking yourself how the USAttys feel having their integrity called into question now because the political stooges at the DoJ and the WH didn't have the decency or the foresight to realize that a hack firing job like this would bring all of the Rove's shop politicization efforts to the fore? How about the fact that decent, hard-working USAttys were fired not because they lacked competence in their jobs, but because they didn't kiss the ass of Rove enough to keep him happy? How about the fact that getting along with the political toadies was more important that following the evidence and making honest and decent decisions based on the facts and not the ramifications of the case for the political winds down the road?
And yes, if you are wondering, I am well and truly disgusted by this whole, sorry smarmfest of a saga.
As is the NYtimes, apparently, whose blistering editorial on the subject is a must read this morning. I have rarely if ever seen that level of fury and disgust on an editorial page -- and rarely have I seen a performance which deserved it more than yesterday's abysmal "I don't recall" fiasco.
More here, here, here and here. And for a glimpse into the delusional, bunker PR mentality of the loyal Bushies, try here.
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zed?
I gnu I’d be EPU!
The reality-based world is SO seven years ago…
mornin’ Redd. mad props for all your hard work yesterday! that was amazing. thanks so much for all you do (and hugs to Jane wherever she may be today).
Mornin’ Christy! Just to give you a little zen place, my mom sent me this link to a live video feed of an osprey nest on Long Island. Something to give you moments of zen…
TiredFed at 4 — Thanks much. I’m afraid my brain is a little fried today, but it was soooo worth it. And I’m glad everyone got a chuckle out of my “Texas Toast” graphic. Still cracks me up. *g*
morning’
What is interesting are the questions that did not get asked. Nina Totenberg was wondering about that yesterday.
…and now, back on topic, my fave Milbank grafs may have been these:
Take Gonzales’s tally along with that of his former chief of staff, who uttered the phrase “I don’t remember” 122 times before the same committee three weeks ago, and the Justice Department might want to consider handing out Ginkgo biloba in the employee cafeteria.
Did he take some of TRex’s snark pills this morning?
I think Prince Hamlet(read Bush) is ready for his final swordfight.
We know how this drama will end, but I feel sorry for the custodians that will have to clean up the set…it is pretty well destroyed.
“First, partisan prosecutors might ignore credible allegations of corruption because they fear embarrassing their political party or patron. Second, partisan prosecutors might pursue flimsy allegations for political purposes…”
Might? heck, this is exactly what this admin wants. They fired anyone who didn’t follow along.
Didn’t either Shumer or Leahy nearly come out of his chair and strangle Gonzo over that one? One of ‘em did: said it was as full of shit as the “if you oppose the war you don’t support the troops [and/or are a traitor]”
Christy! Pups! Great post, CHS. I agree that one of the biggest fireworks moments of yesterday was the Durbin Gonzo exchange. I could not believe it when Gonzo said that the Committee’s investigation was impugning the repretation of the USA’s. WTF? I loved Durbin’s reply - you are making the same point as those who say if you question the Prez’s war policy you are against the troops. The problem is, too many R’s agree with that B.S.
BTW, morning Gonzo testimony is up on C-SPAN as this first video entry. It includes the press gaggle that Schumer did at the end. You must persist through the C-SPAN announcer’s first attempt to draw it to a close.
Mauimom at 11 — Leahy did, I believe. He did a great job yesterday trying to maintain some level of order in a tough situation, I thought. Very well done.
yellowdogD @
1
zed = what? It is supposed to represent the letter z in Great Britain, Australia, and New Zealand, according to two dictionaries I consulted.
I am so glad the senator (I forget which one, darn) shut down his “you’re insulting the troops” line. He didn’t use it again after that. I was shouting that at my monitor already, it was so great to hear it said there. You know that was part of his prep, how could they not see that going badly?
NYT had a great point in that article: he had no problem remembering complaints from politicians, but couldn’t remember anything about actual performance.
I’m reminded of Orson Scott Card’s classic essay “How Software Companies Die”:
Only now it’s our government dying, and it’s not accidental.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 14
Christy — said above, props for all you FDL’ers do in getting this out. It’s Friday dump day. Please get Peanut into the dinosaur costume to improve chances for Abu’s resignation by cob.
anyone else notice that Gonzales mispronounced Bud Cummins’ name? He stuck a “g” in it: Cummings. Kind of speaks to the loop he’s in.
I also think that if we were to go over Gonzo’s testimony I bet we could come up with THE definitive list of “weasel words”. I’m sure it would merit an entry in Wikipedia.
Morning Christy, thanks for the liveblog yesterday. I wanted to see someone bang their shoe on the table, like Kruschev at the UN! Or better yet, flip the table over and tell Fredo “it’s go time!” In my dreams…
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 15
All hail Zod.
Short NYT:
We don’t yet know whether Mr. Gonzales is merely so incompetent that he should be fired immediately, or whether he is covering something up.
Short ET:
Do your fucking job, NYT, and maybe we’ll find out.
This is not a case of politicization of the DOJ; it is a case of criminalization. The whole affair is a criminal enterprise run out of “Rove’s shop.” The attempt (perhaps already successful) to turn the DOJ into the enforcement arm of the “permanent Republican majority” must be thwarted at every step. A series of hearings, or even the firing or resignation of Gonzales, is not enough, for without a wholesale housecleaning, opponents of the regime will be subject to arbitrary prosecution (or even incarceration without prosecution). The Maladministration has already shown us that it will use any and every extra-legal authority it has claimed in the GWOT for narrow partisan purposes–perhaps only for partisan purposes.
I’m with retirin in five about the peanut in the dinosaur suit. On the otherhand, I could easily see wanting the peanut to wear the dinosaur suit 24/7, and I’m not sure how much the parents would like it.
Great summation CHS! Thanks for the NYT ed link, and from it:
“We don’t yet know whether Mr. Gonzales is merely so incompetent that he should be fired immediately, or whether he is covering something up.”
This is the crux of the matter. But, either way Gonzales (and America) loses. Sad, sad, sad. We cannot let this happen again - never ever!
I think Dick Durbin did the best job of turning that argument around on Gonzo, that the Dems were not impugning the folks who did the work, Gonzo was.
Mauimom @
11
That was Schumer, but Leahy wasn’t far behind. It was almost as raucous as when all the former Marines in the damn House (including a few Republicans) rose up en masse to go after Jean Schmidt’s trashing of John Murtha, a guy who if he’d taken a slightly different career path would have been Commandant of the USMC.
Tear down this wall, President Bush!
EPU’d from below @193 but if anyone needs a morning laugh:
Mornin’ pups! Just getting here in a drive-by while perusing the news sites but seeing the post thought this might be pertinent:
Scarecrow posts:
_”The best thing about my family is my wife. She is a great first lady. I know that sounds not very objective, but that’s how I feel. And she’s also patient. Putting up with me requires a lot of patience.”
One of the gossip columnists at E! online, Ted Casablancas, had a bit in his column yesterday claiming that Stepford Laura is living at the Adam-Hays Hotel in DC. She’s supposed to have moved out because Commander Codpiece is off the wagon big-time.
(Hey, we can’t be serial all the time ya know!)
TiredFed @
4
Hear! Hear! Great work, Christy.
As for Jane, she’s probably on a long walk after a great, healthy breakfast.
If you back out your viewpoint to, say the spacestation, Gonzales appears to be nothing more than a vulnerable minority, real estate lawyer who got some good jobs because of his unbridled adoration and willingness to fulfill all the needs of a spoiled brat, elitest, reckless, control freak. Gonzo is one of child king W’s doting nannys - nothing more. If he ever had any dignity, George has used it and sucked it all out of him. If I was his wife, I’d be really pissed of at W, but apparently reports say she is pissed at everyone else instead.
‘Morning, Christy, excellent job yesterday, and thanks to Jane for sneaking in and picking up so seamlessly after 4:00 pm.
Let me say first that I’m not a lawyer, but I think it’s the lawyer-component in the Senate Judiciary Committee on both sides of the aisle that was disgusted by Abu’s testimony yesterday.
This whole thing broke open after McNulty’s testimony that the Gonzo 7 (Chiara hadn’t yet been connected) were fired for performance reasons. That was the first salvo against the integrity of attorneys, who by virtue of their profession must rely on integrity as a key asset; it thoroughly torqued off David Iglesias to hear this assassination. And this wasn’t just a defamation of their character — the kind against which attorneys regularly take action for clients — but the falseness of the claims. Carol Lam said she had no communications from DOJ-DC about immigration being a problem; if anything, DOJ-DC had defended her office’s performance, as the doc dump shows. This makes claims that her performance was poor not only defamatory but false. IANAL, but in the corporate world, this would be enough to start a wrongful discharge and/or defamation of character suit. The bulk of the members of the SJC are attorneys; they didn’t see just badmouthing by Abu G., but a gross breach of standards of professional conduct in their profession, along with the otherwise actionable damages, right under their noses, to their faces. It was completely unconscionable behavior, like watching a school-aged child having a full-body tantrum in the main aisle of the church during a wedding; it’s just not done or permitted, remove the child now. That’s why even the Republicans were unhappy with Abu; he was beyond the pale.
I haven’t seen any lawyers commenting on this component, yet — the gross lack of professional conduct — but I wonder if it’s also not most lawyers’ training in conduct that prevents them from pointing to this.
Political Value -
I still think there is much political value in keeping Gonzo in his chair. Think about:
Bush defending him for a few more months will cause even Joe Moderate Sixpack to question his mental state.
Impeachment “foreplay” can go on for months while more and more facts are delved into.
Pressure will build on his underlings to “flip” because they seem him still afloat.
Rove will continue to finger his fundie-bots, like Sampson, and keep feeding them more damning info to Rove’s own peril… More obvious leaks, etc. will have to be resorted to.
Maybe the guy ought to stay and be the “Poster Boy” of Our Benighted Emperor’s mentally deranged state.
I’m glad AGAG didn’t resign earlier. This is a prism through which the standard operating procedure of the entire Bush Administration can be seen. AGAG was on the hot seat, but don’t you just know that if GWB had to answer for his decisions (Iraq, Katrina, Abu Gharaib), his performance on the hot seat would mirror his AG’s.
Whole thing sounds like just another version of the 60 Grit Employment Agency being run in Iraq by Mr. Kate O’Beirne.
And Whitehouse was very impressive.
Other Pat @
19
At this juncture, Mr. Gonzales might not know whether he’s coming or going… *g*
yeah, so what now? On Matthews last night, even the Dem said there is no underlying crime… what about all those emails? PRA? Hatch Act? Obstruction?
Arrgghh!!
notjonathon @ 24
so true. must start this ASAP. We can count on getting rid of schedule C appointments, but not the Browniebots that get permanent jobs. God help us if that happens. I’ve been here for almost 30 years!
Conason is calling for a special prosecutor.
Go Joe!
salon.com link
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 15
Get to the fresh thread first, there is a ZERO as the comment number {changes to 1 on refresh}.
The ‘zed’ is ‘z’ for ‘zero’ … but I guess it should be ‘nil’.
Yeah loved those mantras: (whine)” when you are attacking me, you are attacking career prosecutors.” As Alicia Silverstone would say, “as if!”
Abu also used some of the same lame phrases and justifications that Sampson did (almost as much as the contradicted each other), like: “they served 4 years. The US attorneys have no guarantee of a job” or “(the decision) was the concensus of senior officials.” I almost forgot that Abu is a senior official during the testimony.
What might Whitehouse have been alluding to regarding the OPR investigating lawyers? Anyone?
LS @ 32
No offense, but DUHHH! This whole house of horrors has been built in this exact same pattern. The fake evangelical bullshit is simply the medium for controlling the fundie-bots.
What, exactly, is the difference between this and the Ayatollah’s, Madrassah’s and street level Mullah’s? What?
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 15
getting the zed is posting when there are zero comments. That’s zero with a zed.
Isn’t taking over all of the departments of a government for your personal political purposes misconduct?
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 37
I think he is staying. GW is one stubborn man, that tennis incident proves that. And besides, the purpose of a firewall is to give it’s life for you. GW will hold on to him until there is nothing but shreds left.
Ed*ard Teller @ 29
epu-d from last thread:
Puesto @ 163
This from Think Progress this morning:
The U.S. military is constructing a 3-mile-long concrete wall in Baghdad “to cut off one of the capital’s most restive Sunni Arab districts from the Shiite Muslim neighborhoods that surround it, raising concern about the further Balkanization of Iraq’s most populous and violent city.”
I assume lots of people are old enough to remember the Berlin Wall. Well, if there is any indication that we are in the middle of a civil war, and have two ideological extremes - Sunni and Shiite - who have hated each other for 1,300 years…
What, exactly, do we hope to accomplish that is in America’s best interests by sitting on a wall between two fanatical religious sects? What?
The 00s are all about walls. Wall in Baghdad (not the first BTW-all the blast walls that preceded it), wall in Palestine, wall that Saudi Arabia is building on border with Iraq, wall on U.S. border with Mexico. Unlike Berlin wall, these are all to keep people out. Now what does that reveal about the society we are living in?
As much as I loathe Abu, what’s with the Peanut Gallery? It was kinda fun but I thought it was also distracting and someday it could be a bunch of Rove’s Brownshirts doing the heckling. I’m convinced Karl has made some RNC e-mails so that next time some of his boys will be in the gallery..
over and over. Which senior officials? Their names? It was striking that he was unable or unwilling to pair a single name with compiling the list.
WRT the Republics on the Judiciary committee. Do y’all think that they came to the hearing expecting that Gonzo would be more credible, and were so shocked by his incompetence that they had to be critical of him? For example, do you think that Cornyn was planning to be supportive, and then changed his mind during the hearing, or do you think that he had decided to throw him under the bus from the start. Thanks, in advance, for your sage perspectives.
Not only was it outrageous BS for Gonzo to say that the committee was criticizing the USA professionals…
but Gonzo actually said he did not know who Patrick Collins was??!! Did anyone else catch that? I am certainly very aware of who Patrick Collins is and his prosecutorial record — How can the AG not know who he is??? Unbelieveable!
Rayne @ 33
IANAL so this may be a stupid comment, but these guys can’t seem to give anyone a straight answer to a yes or no question. It’s always couched. whats up with that? is that a class in law school?
Another year of the Bushista regime’s incompetence and blindly willful stupidities and people will forget where the term apparatchik originated.
[CHS notes: I am so editing this comment. For your own good.] OK Tnx, I can see why. Big whoops. /blush
TiredFed at 53 — Nah, it’s a class in political smarm school — it’s called “Plausible Deniability 101.” Except these were pretty much non-plausible dodges, so the AG mut have flunked the course.
LS @ 46
No, ask Bolton. Acording to him that is your right for stealing wining an election. Their line is “Doesn’t everyone do that?”
The shameless display of incompetence was astounding. (Leahy was overheard on the c-span mics saying: “This guy shouldn’t even be in charge of a lunch room!”)
But not just Gonzales’. Rove’s as well. Not only did he completely blow it for the rethugs in the last election (being wrong about every. single. thing.). He didn’t even have the brains to put the kabosh on this lame-brained USA firing scheme after the Dems gained control of congress.
Hubris emanating from his sealed Whitehouse bubble of an office.
And Schumer/Leahy/Conyers are not going to give up on the RNC emails. Schumer made that clear when talking to reporters at the end. Rover overreached and it will turn out to be a gift that will not stop giving.
I hope he hangs on till we get the RNC e-mails.
Mae @ 51
Hard to tell with people living in a bubble. But from those of us outside the bubble, Gonzo has never said anything intelligent, so testimony came out as expected. D questioners, for me, came out a bit above expectations.
Jane Hamsher @ 36
My former home state comes through. I remember visiting RI last May and seeing Chafee signs which said, basically, keep him even though he’s one of those fucktard republicans, cuz he’s a nice guy and you all really like him. So so glad that line didn’t work, so that Sheldon could take it to the (White) house!
(Sorry.)
Ed*ard Teller @ 29
remember that bridge that was destroyed on april 12th?
yeah. as bernhard writes, connect these dots:
maps, and more at the link.
Pat_AlexVA @ 35
it is clear from both Abu’s and Sampson’s testimony that this whole campaign originated and was run out of the White House. Let’s move on to Miers and Rove. More fun is in store.
Pat_AlexVA @ 59
And the other 750,000 Abramoff investigation documents that were suppressed by McCain’s committee.
O.K. Justifications. Chiara was fired for poor judgement (too many post-it notes?) McKay was fired for some sort of gaffe involving a letter. And Cummins? Oh well, Karl Rove’s boy need a job.
Jane Hamsher @ 36
{{{{Jane}}}} hope this day finds you well-rested and ready to go. could be more Friday afternoon docudumps! all the best.
IMO the White House “full confidence” routine gives Gonzo the cover he neeeds to be able to resign “for the good of the DOJ” and he’ll be gone by the end of the day.
Mutant Poodle @ 61
Why oh why are you sorry? Are you sorry that you popped the champagne and no one is there to share? I have no idea at all why you would be sorry. But if it is about the champagne I mention, how about an address and maybe I can help you out…
Other Pat @ 19
It’s overcompensation to overcome his poor-boy Texas roots. A lot of that crowd has never put a “g” on the end of any gerund or present participle in their entire lives.
But back to something I noticed yesterday: The Republicans kept going on and on about how the “other side” had yet to prove a political motive in the firings. They harped on that.
Whitehouse, like a good prosecutor, laid a good factual case for how politicized the department had become, but it was, surprisingly, Schumer and DiFi who kept circling in, near to landing the fatal blow, on why no one can prove a political motive: the Gonzales DOJ gang is passing the buck so much that the D’s can’t pull in the person who put the purge list together. Without that person, they can’t get at why the attorneys on it were there. So nobody knows who put the list together. It’s not Abu, it’s not Sampson, it’s not Mercer, it’s not McNulty. As Bay State Liberal put it yesterday, this purge list is the Immaculate List–it just appeared out of nowhere, as if by magic. DiFi said it best: Some human being(s) drafted this list. Who?
Schumer thinks it’s Rove and/or Meiers. He’s probably right. So where does he get the link proving it? Is this what Goodling knows? I don’t know. But the D’s are right to lean on her. She has the most to lose in all this.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 56
And speaking of smarm, can we please do something about Orrin “I oil my vocal chords every morning” Hatch? I was driving my sister to the airport when he was on, and I nearly drove off the road.
Ed*ard Teller @
23
Even shorter STTP:
I’ll take the odds on both!
dead last @ 9
Cleanup duty means that it’s finally over. It will be joyous.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 6
Tell me about it! I don’t think I’ve been at a party like that since about 1969. Maybe some Renzi juice could act as a Bloody Mary? :)
Thanks for all the hard work Christy & FDL’ers! It made a Superbowl party out of an otherwise boring Allstar game.
p.s. I knew we were off to a good start when I saw your Texas Toast graphic…just days before while at the market, I saw a mother & daughter racing down an aisle with 2 giant cartons of Texas Toast in their cart, and nothing else. I thought to myself “thats strange…never saw anyone buy that stuff before.” (true story)
lololol
I (prolly imperfectly) recall some of TRex’s outstanding snark from last nite… Abu “shouldn’t be in charge of running a bath much less the engines of justice for our country…” “Bush cronies are to regular cronies as nuclear detonations are to static cling…” can’t get much better schadenfreude than that… Tnx Trex…
Oh… can we get another Mea Culpa from “Nothing to see here” Carney?
Pat_AlexVA @ 68
Reflex with bad puns. No open and flattening champagne to speak of.
LS @ 64
Moveon.org is preparing to run videos in early GOP primary states based on McCain’s Bomb Iran! comments in front of a VFW meeting the other day.
I can just see any Gonzo replacement coming into his/her first day on the new job, getting an overview of what has been going on, and then FREAKING OUT.
Mornin’ Christy, Jane, and Firedogs
Schumer remarks on Indian Affairs Comm. docs
fyi- just finished going through what I had on tivo and didn’t hear it BUT - there’s a ‘gap’ (apparently mr cbl qualifies for a job with Abu!) we don’t have testimony immediately after lunchbreak and the aforementioned reference to Schumer’s remarks pointed to that timeframe
Mae @ 51
What’s really suprising is that Gonzo went through days of practice to get to this level of incompetence. He is a true Bushie.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @
15
“Zed” is “Z” everywhere where English is spoken, in French and German too: I do not know Italian, Spanish or Portuguese, but it looks as if the US might be alone on this one…… like putting the date round the wrong way and having light switches upside down……..
Other Pat @ 19
Oh, I noticed Abu’s tongue began to stick a little to his mouth. Click, click. I do that when I am nervous sometimes. Maybe that has to do with the mispronunciation.
Woodhall Hollow @ 58
And, really, if you think about it, keeping Gonzo in his chair keeps the Republicans from defending “Exec Privilege” or whatever, because Joe Sixpack can see clearly they would be defending an obvious idiot.
If Gonzo goes, then this could appear to be overplaying an overzealous hand.
EPU’d from last thread: I just sent the following as a letter to the editor of local papers and to various congresspeople. Feel free to borrow whatever you like:
CHS
Thanks for the live blogging. I read early in the afternoon, and immediately called Whitehouse’s office to thank them.
Then I read Coburn, was pleasantly surprised, and called his office to thank them. The guy thanked me, saying that most of the calls were going the other way. In keeping with the program of rewarding them when we catch them doing something right, it would be good to call that office and thank them. Point out that it is gratifying that Senator Coburn understands the importance of political independence in the US Attorney’s office, and that he understands that it is more important than his respect for the administration.
bilzim @ 67
(1) Locate Deity
(2) Moisten lips
(3) Locate ears of Deity
(4) Apply lips to ears.
carolyn urban @ 50
Sampson waddled his a$$ over to the WH every week. met with Miers, et al. this list got vetted every week. most of the top DOJ officials have already said they didnt contribute to the list one way or another. Next step: subpoena Miers and Rove.
When it comes to the character of the present AG, one incident, small to be sure perhaps, sticks in my mind. I am speaking of Mr. Gonzales’ scheme to get Bush out of serving on jury duty in Texas some years ago. The real motive of course was to prevent the public from being made aware of the prez’s DUI conviction. The reason for this action, as now many of us know, was to ensure the Bush-Gonzales-Rove quest for the presidency was safe from any threats. Sometimes, little things like this can say a whole lot about a person’s character. Some might argue this dirty little trick, was a harbinger of things to come.
LS @ 77
I doubt it..Abu’s replacement will have the same marching orders from Rove but will be even sneakier and more dangerous than Gonzales..
Somewhat OT, and sad on some levels, but also quite schadenfreudelicious:
“Nifong” has ceased to be a person’s name, and has become a word with a meaning. In a letter to the chancellor of LSU, the attorney for Dana “Pokey” Chatman, the former head women’s basketball coach at the school, said of the school’s investigation of charges that Chatman had become romantically involved with players, “I suggest that the decision making process applied in this case was created by someone who must have graduated from the Nifong school of decision making.”
It remains to be seen whether that allegation by Ms. Chatman’s attorney has a basis in fact. However, after yesterday’s hearing, abu Gonzo cannot justly claim to have been Nifonged.
bilzim @ 67
I don’t believe it. I think Bush will let him twist in the wind a bit longer. It’s called “loyalty”.
Any ideas who he would replace Gonzo with?
I thought the two most important exchanges yesterday were when DiFi made it clear that NO ONE at DoJ was responsible for making the list combined with Whitehouse’s brilliant illustration of the removal of any barriers between the WH and DoJ. Hence the WH must be running DoJ these days, since no one there is. Even though the WH wants to keep Abu in place to continue stonewalling Congress, the testimony yesterday makes the necessity of moving the investigation into the WH absolutely clear.
One of the more interesting parts of the hearing was when one of the rethug Senators (not Kyle, the other one) used his time to rake him over the coals about the lack of DOJ cooperation on other matters. A lot of it went over my head because I wasn’t familiar with all the issues, but I got the point as I watched Gonzales stutter and sweat even more (again, he wasn’t prepared to speak intelligably!).
Part of it had to do with the DOJ trying to prevent a federal prisoner from testifying before a Senate committee, “for the safety of the prisoner!” Unprecedented position on the part of the DOJ, as I understand it.
Rayne @ 33
There could also be a factor of having played along with some of the Bush agenda in the past. Like Iglesias. Guess what Digby dug out of the WaPo archives about him?
That’s only one case, but it could well be that this didn’t start with Abu. And if more of this stuff turns up from Ashcroft’s AG tenure…
Christy Hardin Smith @
56
CHS — my thoughts exactly. I’ve written Congressional testimony for my bosses, and “I don’t recall” was not a response that would ever have passed the first round of edits.
TiredFed @ 63
Yeah there were similiarities between Sammy and Abu. “Key phrases” and all. But why didn’t they coordinate better, so as not to contradict each other?
noen @ 90
My bet is Ted Olsen
Christy Hardin Smith @ 56
ah yes. a class given only at Republic-friendly or Fundiebot law schools. you are so right (as usual), Gonzo musta flunked!
LS @ 77
You mean sorta like Fred Fielding at the White House?
Jay @ 89
Wouldn’t the replacement have to be confirmed by Congress? I can’t see them confirming another patsy at this point, but who knows.
noen @ 91
Jeb’s not that busy and Harriet Mier’s still in DC.
LJ/Aquaria @ 69
It really sounds like a “Christmas tree” being passed around with a life of its own. No one who got it next, knew who put the last couple of ornaments on. That way there is no accountability on any one person.
This is the perfect mark of a Rovian strategy - Names appearing on a hit list in the dark of night so when everyone woke up in the morning there was another name.
“Hey, lookie! GOP Santa came last night!”
I posted this at late-late nite FDL, but it warrants being posted again:
April 20, 2007. I predicted weeks ago that today would be the beginning of the Iran War. I’ve never been this glad to be wrong in my life.
Ambling off to judge a band performance competition.
burnspbesq @ 90
takes its rightful place beside “weasel speech” and “schadenfreude nirvana” — a couple of FDL gems that I will take away and use whenever I can… :)
S.O.S. from MA @ 104
takes its rightful place beside “weasel speech” and “schadenfreude nirvana” — a couple of FDL gems that I will take away and use whenever I can… :)
Ole 60 grit and it’s, um, earlier incarnation are permanently etched in my memory banks.
If Abu G goes, I don’t think anyone from the
Bush Crime FamilyWhite House could possibly get confirmed by the Senate. Which leaves sitting Senators as possible candidates. The two with the closest ties are Hatch and Lieberman. The Senate would confirm either of them with a wink and a handshake.Mutant Poodle @ 76
making puns on FDL means you never have to say you’re sorry.
S.O.S. from MA @ 104
takes its rightful place beside “weasel speech” and “schadenfreude nirvana” — a couple of FDL gems that I will take away and use whenever I can… :)
That is a good one, innit? Alas, I cannot take credit as the originator. I’m sure I’ve read that multiple times in comments to TRex’s Late Night postings.
LS @ 78
and running out the door! hope there’s video.
SteveW @ 38
What’d you think of that David Rifkin character
Tweety had on? That guy is a real piece of work!
LS @ 100
Now! Stop that talk! It will be Ho’ Joe Lieberman. Rove and Bush have been working on this for a couple of months. Then Ho’ Joe’s replacement will be a Repug who will tip the balance of the Senate.
Careful what you wish for. Keep the guy in there so he is a “Poster Boy” for all the Boobs in this administration and makes the Emperor look like the maniac that he is.
Jay @ 96
I woulde hope he’d be unconfirmable.
masaccio @ 85
I wouldn’t bank on Coburn to go much further than “let’s put this behind us.” I think Coburn also said that he thought there was nothing political in the Abu’s personnel policies. He probably hopes sacrificing Abu, will keep Dems from probing further into the murky depths of the WH and the DoJ personnel pool.
It looks like Gonzales was missioned with two principal trajectories for yesterday’s hearing:
1 - I am performing my civil service role as the AG within the regs, so you can’t take administrative action against me.
2 - I am performing my political role as a member of the president’s team within privilege, so you can’t take political action against me.
Allthough Gonzo didn’t invoke privilege yesterday, it’s clear that his attorney’s had already defined the limits of his testimony with the committee.
Shorter Gonzo: Catch me if you can!
LJ/Aquaria @ 105
I missed that. Linky or confirmation, within the bounds of good taste, that it has something to do with Kate O’Bierne and plastic surgery? That’s all I’ve been able to reconstruct from later context… :)
Jay @ 88
You mean sorta like Addington replacing Libby, huh?
“Zed” is an old tradition here, weeks and weeks old.
Christy - Thank you again for yesterday.
Slightly OT - Groups like Move-On have a tool that can let you email select congress people without filling in every individual form. Does anyone here have anything similar?
There are several I’d like to send heartfelt thanks to. And I’d like the whole world to call Specter on the way he talks tough but wimps out. However, my life has been extremely nuts (I’m going through FDL withdrawal involuntarily). For now, I’m hoping that many other people are doing what I wish I could. But a tool like that would help me be more responsible.
Any thoughts?
From the NYTimes today:
In other words, Gonzo let the Senator fill in for him–as AG.
Gonzo put the burden of proof on Congress, but in doing so, he basically admitted it. What’s the next step? Subpeonas for the WH? Is there another big date like yesterday that we can look forward to?
Ms. Feinstein nailed it. “Who compiled the list?” No one in a leadership position will say, under oath, who compiled the list. Red Rover, Red Rover, send Karl right over!!!!!!
Don’t forget that Ted the Patriot lost his wife in the Pentagon attack and he still owes Karl for that..
Ted Olsen would be all 9/11 all the time, confirm him because his wife died on 9/11. Count on it.
S.O.S. from MA @ 115
I missed that. Linky or confirmation, within the bounds of good taste, that it has something to do with Kate O’Bierne and plastic surgery? That’s all I’ve been able to reconstruct from later context… :)
Er no. Let’s say that Ole 60 Grit won’t be wearing taffetta in Washington for the rest of her life. A hint: 60 grit is a type of sandpaper.
Jay @ 96
Oh, they could try it, but they know that would only be a temporary amusement. Perhaps they’d try it as a shiny object to distract us.
Ted Olsen will NEVER be AG if we can do anything about it. EVER.
A diarist at DailyKos posited the same question yesterday — who’d be the replacement. Many other equally disgusting options were named, as well as Olsen.
If the Bushies were smart, they’d go with former Senator Danforth, but take their sweet time introducing him and getting his confirmation completed. Danforth would win confirmation handily, but he might actually do a good job, too, and that wouldn’t do.
I wouldn’t count on it being within the bounds of good taste :)
Gonzo’s replacement will be a recess appointment, which will last until Bush leaves.
Biodun @ 119
This is how Bush would be if he were AG.
If only we could hear…
thinkprogress JPG
*h/t ThinkProgress
Puesto @ 110
Now that is truly frightening!
Graham’s cracker was to throw in the talking point that this was all about “personality conflicts” between DOJ and the ousted attorneys. This from the guy who goes to a war zone to buy rugs on the cheap–at taxpayers’ expense. McCain and Graham, the dynamic duo.
Rayne — Danforth is far too principled and independent for the White House to even consider. I’ll stand by a nomination of Hatch or Lieberman (for that “bipartisan good will”), and the knowledge that the collegiality of the Senate will demand confirmation.
Ah found a link to the original incarnation of Ole 60 grit. This is when FDL was on blogspot and used Haloscan. Ah, those were the days!
LS @ 32
No way! torture memo guy is part of the Texas chain gang.
GeorgeSimian @ 127
That is yet another reason that the senate cannot go on recess until January 20, 2009
Christy and all, a BIG HEARTY Thank You for all your hard work yesterday. Wow. What a day.
I don’t have C-SPAN3 and wondered how I’d find out what’s going on with Alberto. It was a given that MSM wouldn’t be on it (unlike OJ’s days in court).
You can’t hear me so here’s my sign of appreciation. Three cheers for the coverage and comments:
Hip hip. Hooray
Hip Hip. Hooray
Hip hip. Hoooorrrraaaaayyyy!
Puesto 111 - I have to agree with you, even if you said DUHHH to me earlier ;}
Another frightening prospect is that in the time between when Gonzo does go and the next AG who will run the shop? What kind of damage could Rove do?
Was I the only one who thought Gonzo was about to cry near the end? It was right before he tried to pass back the burden of proof.
DNC sued DOJ for documents yesterday per Kos:
kos link
GeorgeSimian @ 127
Ding ding ding. Can they actually do this with a cabinet secretary?
Puesto @ 111
No, I think Jodi Rell will have to replace HoJoe with a Democrat. (even though HoJoe is technically CT4Joe.)
BTW, y’all: It’s Ted Olson.
LS @ 100
no need to confirm. recess appointment (just like he’s done elsewhere). perfectly legal and nothing the Senate can do about it except stay in session until 2009!
Badwater @
101
Jeb doesn’t have a law degree.
OT
Another Repug gets a visit from the FBI.
Breaking: FBI Raids Rep. Renzi’s Family Business
rick_renzi.jpgRoll Call reports:
In a second blow to House Republicans this week, the FBI raided a business tied to the family of Rep. Rick Renzi (R-Ariz.) Thursday afternoon as part of an ongoing investigation into the three-term lawmaker.
snip
As a result of the raid, Renzi is stepping down from his seat on the House Intelligence Committee, according to a statement from his office obtained Thursday evening by Roll Call.
snip
rawstory link
hey. . .I didn’t know this - from Schumer’s office site
I think the time is right to have someone ask Kyle Sampson and Monica Goodling in a public forum ( and the other “senior officials at DOJ” who advised Mr. Gonzales about the USA’s ): “If given the choice between the laws of the land and the laws of God as you understand them, do you believe it is your duty to uphold the laws of God before upholding the laws of the land?”
Now I am certain this won’t happen, but since the emphasis is now placed on the ideological bent of the “senior officials” in question, I think they should be on record as to what ideology they assert.
It is not enough to let it go to inference or let it get buried by so-called jouranlists who would rather not think about it.
Again from the NYTimes:
In other words, he should have been doing his job.
my guess Asa Hutchinson
Stephen Parrish, CPA @
15
What do ya mean “supposed to”. Does. We were there first.
GeorgeSimian @
127
It will either be Ho’ Joe Lieberman, but with so much light being shined upon the cockroaches - Las Cucarachas! - It will someone with no visibility, name, or any background. Sort of like a friendly ghost - AG Ectoplasm… is his/her name.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 15
Nobody wants to be an alpha (fe)male.
Rut ro…
The impeachment drumbeat continues.
I have a feeling that we won’t be hearing from Gonzo for a long time. And that includes no resignation. He’ll have no comment on anything.
Democratic Senators would have better served the public had they done a better job coordinating their questions - and follow-up questions - and asked them more like Sen. Whitehouse. Schumer was good. Leahy, at times, fumbled; Sen. Feinstein did it frequently, often looking more like a frazzled secretary looking for her boss’ calendar. Her time in the footlights was not well used.
Even with those poor theatrics, Gonzales successfully came off like a cheap pimp explaining to an incredulous beat cop why his Caddy was parked in front of the mayor’s mansion. Even here, Gonzo did as he was told. He became more Bozo-ish than Bush, and took the flak intended for him. He will be amply rewarded.
If the Dems haven’t the time or votes for a double or triple impeachment, they need to document, document, document. They need to make clear who dumped those piles of manure. They need to make crystal clear that the trouble and expense of cleaning them up will be as high as the whopping mounds themselves.
This is per se obstruction of justice. Clearly!
scory @ 131
Hatch’s name came up, too, but we are a long ways done from the end of investigation, and Hatch may well find he has to either recuse himself or exit the Senate Judiciary Committee before all the dust settles if he played any role at all in getting that little tidbit planted in the PatAct revision that launched the war on the USA’s. Hatch should NEVER be AG, and the Republicans should know that right now. Hell, I don’t even think I could tolerate Hatch’s use as a bright shiny object for this purpose, knowing the role he’s played so far.
That was the other gnawing issue yesterday, the conflicts at least two of the Senators on the SJC have in this mess. Ask the FDL Gabbly crew, I went off on Cornyn yesterday. If the Abramoff scandal gets fully and deeply investigated, Cornyn is going to have some serious problems. He was part of a squeeze play on Native American tribes in Louisiana, working in concert with little Ralphie Reed; they were to apply pressure on gaming as part of a bad cop approach, while Abramoff played good cop as the tribes’ lobbyist. Cornyn also has some rather interesting relationships with people involved in Iraq rebuilding and DeLay’s iffy-to-illegal PAC’s. Knowing all this, I wondered how Cornyn would play it yesterday; would he throw Abu under the bus to try to put some distance between them, or would he try to make things all rosy so that there would be no incentive for certain DOJ folks to do any more poking.
I think he tried to play it both ways — but it still doesn’t matter.
I know we’re all on the same page about this, but I’m wondering about the rest of the country.
Isn’t it sickening that Bush continues to stand up to Gonzo, Wolfie and even Libby, who was convicted of crimes? And Brownie, Rummy, etc? When are they going to get it?
scory @ 132
haha. can you say John Tower? that would be quite a confirmation hearing (either Hatch or LIE-berman).
scory @ 106
You think a Democratic Congress would confirm Lieberman knowing that the CT governor would appoint a Repub to take his place?
Note to JoeLie: may you live in interesting times.
Interesting how the “in over his head” comment made it into the actual performance reviews as fact, rather than remaining as a complaint.
I actually don’t understand why Bush/Rovie haven’t scapegoated Gonzago yet….
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 144
Wonder if Regent U. has a 2-day, fiddy-dollar certificate program in Law, like that journalism program Jimmy-Jeff Guckert-Gannon took?
New thread from Christy Hardin Smith.
A Lone Republican In The Sunshine?
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 144
Sounds like he has all the qualifications he needs, he’s perfect.
This about sums it up for the Repug view on the Hill, a gun metaphor by anti-gun control lawmakers. From the NYTimes:
Christy,
Can you describe what yesterday was like for you? I have this vision of you setting up the DVD and sitting at the computer, typing madly away…220 comments? I just put up the thread.
Swearing… running over to the DVD…press pause…doing something to a server, whatever that is…
Just wonderin…
If Gonzo goes - RWTs can say you won, the bad guy’s gone. Then get someone worse in on a recess appointment who, without the spotlight on them, can do their nefarious acts in relative private. Those in power don’t want change, they just want to be to do whatever they want under the radar.
I’m afraid of greater evil (imagine that for a second). Obviously Gonzo is an incompetent boob who has actively dismanteled our democracy. In the real world he should be fired and prosecuted for his actions. But we’re not living in the real world. They’ve commandeered so much of our government that the rules clearly don’t apply.
I just don’t trust any of the people who would make those decisions.
oddmommy @ 162
Mr. and Mrs. Gonzo know too much, and she would be even more pissed off.
nevermind
EPU
GeorgeSimian @ 155
this is the “hunker down” period.
oddmommy @ 163
Loyalty is everything to Chimpy. I think Chimpy sticks with his Texas team. Dean on Olbermann last said that he thinks the preznit didn’t watch the hearing and doesn’t think there’s a problem.
noen @ 166
yeah, ya know, expecting the nation’s lawyers to have actual law degrees from actual law schools….soooo elitist
earlofhuntingdon @ 154
i found most of the hearing to be frustrating…. especially when obvious follow up question weren’t asked. it was almost as though there was a list of questions prepared… but frequently the senators didn’t seem to listen to the (non)answer and follow up. whitehouse was an excellent exception to this.
but gonzales was so very, very bad - he ended up making the senators look reasonable (even some of the Rs) to brilliant by comparison.
Puesto @ 151
I just don’t see Holy Joe signing up. He just sold what was left of his soul to get back in the Senate for 6 years; he’d lose any election in Connecticut for the foreseeable future, and he’d be out on his ass after 18 months working for a man that he knows, deep down, will be remembered as the Titanic of presidents. So I just think they’ll reanimate some Republican and throw him in.
Question is whether there’ll be enough pressure to make it a competent candidate, and not some ideological loon.
oddmommy @ 162
When Gonzales goes, DOJ protection goes. Because his replacement would have to be approved by a Democratic congress, someone who is honest and principled might need to be nominated.
And we can’t have that, now can we?
Boston1775 @ 168
and you can bet Redd is so glad the pnut likes preschool!
BTW, Iglesias is not happy with the modified apologies of yesterday. He was on the phone yesterday in a radio report saying, “Not good enough.”
He is totally pissed still.
Last weekend I ran into a formerly R judge who has now become a D. I said, “Wow.” He said it was because of the mockery of the justice department by this administration that led him to change. I said, “I bet there’s more in line behind you.”
This is somewhat OT, but I have to wonder about the linkage between scandals, specifically, the illegal wiretaps and surveillance conducted by the NSA and FBI, and their connection to the political prosecutions at DOJ. If someone’s phone calls or e-mails reveal they’re pushing back in any way against the Bush regime, do they go on a list to prosecuted for whatever the Bushies can trump up? I realize this probably hasn’t happened yet, but is it what they were planning?
TiredFed @ 178
Do you know if she was doing this all by herself?
mui @ 173
well, that’s what I was wondering about. I mean, we hear this “loyalty” schtick all the time…..but to believe it implies that Bush is actually capable of acting from SOME sort of moral principle other than pure self-interest, which seems, uh, questionable.
mui @ 173
Was Dean serious? If so, this is incredible because he has first hand experience watching a megalomaniac in death throws and desperation.
Fresh thread for everyone — and a request for a little help on finding the “lone Republican” who is afraid of sunshine.
GeorgeSimian @ 158
The rest of the country can’t find Iraq on a map. I doubt most people know who the current AG even is, though the name “Gonzales” might actually ring a bell.
A significant percentage of people in the US believe that the Earth is 6000 years old and that Global Warming is a hoax.
dalloway @ 180
This is classic Nixon. In fact. These are some of the desperate actions done by overzealous political hacks who are so brainwashed they do not see any distinction between their country and their party. And, their country/party has enemies who one has a patriotic duty to snuff out for the good of the VaterLand.
Fascism in fact.
Boston at 167 — Well, that’s awfully close to how things were for me, other than the fact that I had a remote beside me for the DVR which allowed me to hit pause without having to run back and forth. But other than that, the threads kept filling up so quickly and I kept having to pause to get a new one going — and I had built slugs ahead to get each one started, too, but not nearly enough of them because of the heavy comment load. So I spent all of lunch building more just to keep up.
Shrub doesn’t get high doing things right; he’d have dug himself to China by now. He gets his jollies by getting away with it.
It doesn’t matter what the “it” is, as long as he doesn’t have to pay or be accountable for it. That’s the prize. There is no such thing as “good government; I think to him that’s an FDR marketing fiction. This is all an elaborate game; there aren’t any real lives or pocket books or careers at stake. He rationalizes criticism away as “all politics”, the grand excuse for any behavior. It’s from his enemies, so there’s no substance. As if Mr. Bush ever had any.
Longtime lurker; first time poster.
I wanted to share the short version of what happened to me last summer, as a second year law student. I was hired to work at the US Attorney’s Officer as a law clerk–I’m older than the average student, I’ve worked in high tech for years, etc. The background investigation is conducted through DC, and I couldn’t get past it. There was literally nothing to stop them from giving me the green light to begin working. The AUSA who hired me was ready to pull his hair out, but there was nothing he could do. I never did work for them; after three months of waiting for clearance, I gave up and got a different job.
Now, it all makes sense. There is no telling what info they had on me. I’m a registered Democrat in a blue state, I helped my daughter found a Free Speech club at her middle school (on my resume), and I helped found a civil liberties club at my law school (also on my resume).
I won’t flatter myself by thinking that someone too high up had a hand in this, but I have no doubt now that the minions reviewing my paperwork had clear instructions about who to keep and who to reject.
Peace,
RV
Mutant Poodle @ 175
They won’t field Lieberman unless they are damned certain he won’t win — or perhaps they would do it as a bright shiny object, knowing Lieberman’s nomination would buy them time only.
The reason Lieberman won’t be AG is that he has been highly useful right where he is on committees, like the one that oversees DHS (and should have investigated Katrina response). If Lieberman became AG, the committee seats Ho Joe holds are given to much stronger Dems — and Repugs cannot have that.
I don’t think we have to worry about Abu’s successor, even though it’s fun to speculate.
Prosecutorial railroad tracks are getting layed into the White House for unlawful political influence.
Gonzo’s going to get mowed down or shoved aside because the great men and women that represent us believe the president is exercising ‘extra’-constitutional authority - boot-strapped by signing statements and executive orders - in bad faith.
The pressure is only going to get even more intense with each passing day.
In his testimony yesterday, Gonzo used the phrase ‘read into the program’ a couple of times - the OPR was ‘read into the program’ and the Office of the Inspector General was ‘read into the program.’
It’s not showing in the transcripts today, but I’m pretty sure I heard Leahy ask Gonzo: “The TSP is suspended, isn’t that right?” And Gonzo’s reply was: “That’s correct,” or something to that effect.
It sounds like Monica Goodling’s rumored ‘loyalty oath’ administering might have something to do with getting certain people/departments ‘read into the program’ of the TSP.
So, Bush’s ’save my ass’ plan is hide behind privilege with respect to the Terrorist Surveillance Program. He’s going to claim that Goodling, Gonzo, the RNC and EVERYONE else who has been ‘read into the program’ is protected under privilege because TSP is the President’s Program (remember how they pitched it?)
Look for the ‘loyal Bushies’ to crowd into the keep behind the walls of the TSP.
I didn’t see Whitehorse but I’ll accept he was dead-on the money in his questioning.
However I did see Russ Feingold.
The guy seems right out of the Gary Cooper mold. Am I missing something here? Is there some reason this no-nonsense guy isn’t attracting millions of people chanting ‘draft Feingold?’
Anyway maybe that’s off-topic.
The AG certainly seems to be from the ‘Heck of a job Brownie’ mold though doesn’t he?
LJ/Aquaria @ 124
Well of course, me being of the guy persuasion, me already knew it was sandpaper… pretty fine sandpaper to boot… And as for the rest of the hints, I’m getting warmer… Is it hot in here or what? :)
Boston1775 @ 181
no idea how the behind-the-scenes stuff works. moderators help out but I’m not one of the insiders so I dont really know. but Christy is remarkable, isnt she? she made up a post out of thin air in like 5 minutes based on a note I sent her.
noen @ 185
And Franklin Graham is a ‘man of God.’ (please pass the lime-green jello with shredded carrots please)…
Red_Viking @ 188
Thank you, thank you for sharing that, and please do comment frequently here at the Lake as we continue following the USA dismissals and more.
Christy, this one is worth front paging.
Welcome Red_Viking!
Hope to hear your views often.
Red_Viking @ 189
hope you delurk more often! we need folks like you with knowledge, real-life experience and a progressive view on things. welcome (I think I can say that, even though I’m not one of the Ladies of the Lake).
jayt @
161
Would a governor really be that partisan? After all, The Repukes couldn’t come up with a good candidate to go against HoJo(not thinking that Lamont would ever win the primary).
Red Viking, it seems you need to be a member of the Federalist Society to get a job with them these days (per Document Dump chart).
re: Schumer remarks on 750,000 Indian Affairs Comm. docs
To all,
I think I may have first posted the comment yesterday that’s feeding this part of the story.
For what it’s worth, when I posted, I was streaming the C-SPAN3 live feed through RealPlayer, in real time (so the comment by Schumer happened moments after the lunch break gavel). I was not paying attention to the video however, so I can’t describe the scene visually.
But I will stand by my post…during the lunch break press frenzy, crowd outbursts & background noise, a reporter asked Schumer something about document volume for Gonzo/USA Purge, and Schumer chuckled “wait until you see the Indian files”. (a bit quietly, as if turning his head to address just the questioner and not the entire gaggle.)
It was there, but I doubt I’d be able to extract & link to it in any practical way.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 192
I wish (wtr Feingold) but he has taken himself out. not sure why.
Rayne @ 190
I agree with you Rayne. Look how fast he dropped those inquiries into Katrina after election. HoJoe’s function is to present obstacles to the Dems. Mel Sembler needs his money’s worth.
And besides, Jodi Rell would probably have to appoint a Dem to replace him as per new CT legislation. Heh. You think CT Dems aren’t preparing?
dalloway @ 179
McClatchy has a copy of the Power Point chart showing permitted WH - DOJ communications, where over 400 WH staffers can talk with some 30 plus DOJ staffers about ANYTHING the DOJ is doing. My head is still spinning. That alone is legalized corruption and obstruction.
Raise your hands if you think Karl hasn’t tried to plunder that and all the illegally obtained data from the FBI and others. (What do the other WH - Investigative Agency charts look like?) Imagine the hard drives Mr. Rove’s shop has filled with it!
noen @
20
Christy, I’m not trying to impugn lawyers, though many should be impugned - but is there a course at law school, or even just Regent Law School, called something like Weasel Vocabulary 234? Or is it just that so many weasels go to law school and already know how to speak Weaselese?
just 1 comment:
great posts and comments… what can we (out here)do? I’m nearly exhausted writing people, spreading information…
S.O.S. from MA @
193
Well of course, me being of the guy persuasion, me already knew it was sandpaper… pretty fine sandpaper to boot… And as for the rest of the hints, I’m getting warmer… Is it hot in here or what? :)
You wouldn’t find that hot on Ole 60 grit. Jes sayin.’
Rayne @ 33
IANAL, but what about a class action suit against the Bush Administration? How many bodies do you need for one of those?
gritLJ/Aquaria @ 207
You wouldn’t find that hot on Ole 60 grit. Jes sayin.’
Grit is relative, of course. I spent a lot of years beginning at 60 and working our way to
1200 before two polishing compounds…..
Whenever people talk about True Grit and the John Wayne principle I think of the chimera of a movie script and that his real name was Marion!
Had the thought that if the Respected senators from Vermont and RI want to get a little deeper they might want to look into these:
Coaching before hearings - are nominees coached in how to lie when answering questions about setting aside their political etc views when making decisions in their jobs; are members of the committee coached as to what questions to ask or avoid asking
Political criteria for nominees - who does the selection and vettingof nominees, and are political considerations the primary consideration in selection of nominees for non-partisan positions
And then call as witnesses Roberts, Alito, Gonzo, Brownie, Hatch, Cornyn, and Specter. Just to make sure that we know what’s going on in our names.
I’d also like to know how Roberts, Alito, and Scalia would explain to a daughter or granddaughter that a medical procedure that could save her life is now illegal, if she were in the position of needing a late term abortion for medical reasons (which, AFAIK, is the only reason anyone has one that close to term).
Ticked off at this administration and what they’ve done? Oh yeah. (And I’d like to hear more about this prescription database system that even medical pros didn’t know existed until this week! Potential for misuse? Can we say h*ll yes?)
The article by Joe Conason in Slate, link posted above, is excellent. But it misses the point that Gonzo did exactly what was expected of him - yesterday and during his tenure at Justice. It misses that this stream of lies and evasions is exactly what we’ve heard from this administration about the war in Iraq, its falsely named “war on terror”, and the response to Katrina.
It is standard communications fare from this White House on every topic, from its use of “Free Speech Zones” that trample it, to Valerie Plame’s outing, to “Clear Skies”, to the purportedly widely spread benefits of Mr. Bush’s tax cuts.
These lies and distortions, this level of incompetence and filling of agencies with Lurita Doans, extraction industy lobbyists, and escapees from the Spanish Inquisition is the treatment Mr. Bush has given every federal agency.
Christy, having practiced as an attorney, your revulsion is well-justified. Just having worked for attorneys, I have been angered by Gonzalez’s utter contempt for the law.
And then to see Gonzalez completely flout the very principles of our justice system, the core of our justice system (habeas corpus) with such smugness (simply because at the time, he had the President’s backing) was just more than I could bear.
It is gratifying to see him being investigated now, but as you say, he has simply done the bidding of his masters, which is one reason he seems to suffer from chronic bouts of amnesia.
Like Tony Snow, he has served his masters well, to the best of his ability: obfuscate, obfuscate, and do so with arrogance (with all due respect to Mr. Snow). What else can one do? One has to remember who he is protecting and why. Although his performance was weak, I wonder what any other Attorney General who had allowed himself to be so completely compromised by this President would perform in such a environment. Perhaps with a bit more flair, but the substance would likely amount to just so much of the same dog piddle.
Great piece, and thank you.
The wheels are coming off, folks. The wheels are coming off.
Could Gonzales continue to be the AG if he was, for some reason, disbarred? i.e. mental incapacity…otherwise mentally irresponsible. Also, was there not talk about whether or not Bill Clinton should have been disbarred due to perjury? Does having “misspoke” mean anything close to perjury? Was Gonzales ever under oath when he “misspoke”? Would the standards of conduct that he would, or would not be in conformity with be those of Texas or D.C.?
TiredFed @ 202
As everyone here surely knows by now, I adore Feingold. I think he just has too much integrity and decency to run for Prez. He’s smart enough to see how the game is played and he’s not gonna lower his standards of decency to play along with mud-slinging BS. Would be nice if he could change the tone, but there are too many media harpies intent on making the Prez race a beauty & personality contest.
Feingold has too much substance. They can’t get their teeny, limited brains around substance and they believe substance doesn’t sell. 2012, mebbe? Perhaps the public will be sufficiently enlightened by then. Not placing any bets, though.
Milan River @ 213
I believe he “misspoke” at the Press Conference.
I don’t look for Gonzo to get his MoF this afternoon.
Bush is going to
get totally wasted at Crawfordtake the weekend to ponder his predicament.High drama is playing out.
theExile @ 204
Fans of the old Woodward and Bernstein remember the famous “non-denial denial”, the combative phrase that neither lies nor tells the truth. Mr. Nixon’s lawyers used it a lot.
The one thing lawyers are meant to learn is to use language precisely. A misplaced comma or too casual a phrase can mean the difference between inheriting the family pile or living on the streets.
I imagine some people become lawyers to help their neighbors, or to protect civil or workplace rights or the environment. Others, to fight crime or to promote world peace, to run a government or international institution.
Like medical doctors, I imagine some people become lawyers just to make a lot of money. Some by advancing the legitimate interests of corporations, by helping them buy or sell, raise funds, file disclosures, and plan their taxes.
More ambitious ones promote excess or criminality. For them, the law is toolkit, not something to revere or value as the lubrication that keeps conflict from overheating society.
Those are the lawyers Mr. Bush hires, promotes and protects. They help him avoid tax and any other laws he can’t be bothered with. They get him what he wants without cost or questions. Mr. Gonzales does that, which is why Mr. Bush will never let him go.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 195
Ahem. That needs to be lime green jello w/strips of bologna in it (per tv MASH).
Re: yesterday’s Gonzales testimony- LA Opinion here in L.A. thinks you should get gone, hijo de la flauta…
To all who’ve referenced 60 grit:
It is not the finer-end grade of sandpaper. Just the opposite. The number refers to the number of particles within an area on the paper (square inch, perhaps?). So the higher the number, the more particles have to fit in the same area, thus, the smaller the particles have to be. The smaller the particles, the finer the grit.
60 grit is what you’d use to sand dried clay off hard metal things that will go inside your walls, never to see the light of day. 60 grit will draw (and, in my multiple careless cases, has drawn) blood, instantly and copiously.
In short, it ain’t a compliment, it’s a warning. ;-)
Unfortunately, every aspect of this colossal, ongoing Bush crime spree is underscored by this admission from a former administration official: politics trumps policy at every level of this administration.
Does anyone know if Bush can take advantage of the “recess appointment” scam to sneak through a “new” AG? Or does that only apply to ambassadors?
‘Cause I think one thing that will give him pause is whom can he get through a confirmation hearing? OTOH, if he can sneak ‘em through, the House & Senate Dems better start coordinating their schedules: one can vacation while the other’s “in session,” then vice versa.
Again, Bush is getting a free ride on this. His shills get to say USA’s serve at the pleasure of the President while simultaneously saying the firing decision was made by lower level bureaucrats. These are not compatible claims.
BUSH FIRED THE US ATTORNEYS. Can we just keep repeating this until some reporter asks something like:
“Mr President, if the US Attorneys serve at your pleasure, isn’t it your decision, alone, to fire them? Will you please explain to the American people why you fired them and how justice is better served by cras politicization of prosecution decisions?”
Or something like that!
Welcome Red Viking!
Thanks for delurking and sharing your story.
Hope your account is widely re-posted and widely read.
P J Evans @
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(reposted from late nite fdl….)
Six huge issues here:
(1) Big Pharma buy your RX records from Big Pharmacy.
(2) How do I know? Big Pharma is repeatedly busted for bribing docs to overprescribe their megacorps’ wonder drug(s) of the year. Big Pharma monitors your prescriptions already - that’s how they know the bribed docs are living down to their end.
(3) Big Pharma / Big Pharmacy / Big Insurance have come together in various combinations to own most of the pharmaceutical distribution channnels. This centralization allows tracking of meds from manufacturer to patient.
And big healthcare keep your data.
(4) Big Insurance megacorps share all of our health records with each other.
HIPPA my ass.
Their “Interinsurer Data Bank” (IIRC) is Big Insurance’ clearing house for swapping all of our health care histories and data around the insurance companies.
5) IIRC, HIPAA has backdoors for law enforcement to grab your health records anyway….
6) Every person I know who understands this gets all of their mental health care out of pocket if they can possibly afford it.
Especially if they’d like to run for office some day.
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The universe of compounds the FDA recognizes as “drugs” has two galaxies: over the counter (OTC) and prescription (RX).
OTC drugs are ones you find on the drugstore shelves and take to the cash register.
RX drugs require a prescription.
The galaxy of RX drugs has a main cluster and a ring.
The main cluster are RX drugs that don’t get ya’ high (in DEA speak, they have “no abuse potential”).
The ring orbiting the main cluster are the RX drugs* that the DEA controls - these are the “get high” drugs.
The DEA divides the ring of drugs with “abuse potential” in five schedules: I to V
Schedule I, Daddy DEA tells us, has no use in medicine, and is totally banned.
examples: heroin (British hospitals literally can’t get enough for use in pain control there), cannabis…
Schedule II: Can use, but very restricted
examples: big bad opiates like Oxycontin or Morphine).
…all the way down to Schedule V: cough medicines you can buy OTC in much of the world.
[the DEA also tosses many synthetic chemicals and plants with intoxicating properties into these five schedules.
Cannabis is in schedule I (IIRC)….peyote cacti and psilocybin fungi are also “scheduled” I. (IIRC)
Nasssty repressive congress critters keep trying to “schedule” salvia divinorum.
But I digress.]
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Who gives a jump?
The DEA always required “triplicates” for drugs in Schedule II (and III ? if IIRC).
Common but addictive benzodiazapines (val**m and cousins) and other “sedating” RX drugs could be prescribed (from Schedule IV) without a record going to the Feds.
New DEA laws do away with the triplicates, but now demand special tamper-proof RX forms for “controlled substances” (the ring : Schedules II-V).
And the Feds now track all the benzodiazapines and (scheduled) sedative/hypnotics.
However, antidepressant and antipsychotics aren’t “scheduled” drugs under DEA scrutiny.
The whole main cluster of regular ‘ol (non-”scheduled”) RX drugs is regulated by the FDA, and the FDA simply requires regular old prescriptions with no Federal record [in so far as I am aware].
Commercial data mining, however, allows the Feds to come to the server trough and root through our health and medication records along with Big Pharma and Big Insurance.
So although I do not have any reason to believe Federal agencies directly record all “non-scheduled” RX drugs prescribed, I do believe the commercial data mines allow law enforcement to do so as soon as our health info goes into the Interinsurer Data Banks.
Your graphics here the other day were good. this guy is Texas Toast. Now, word was he spent almsoit all his time prepping for this. Word was he did so shitty at first in practice that they asked for an adjournment which Lahey was gracious enough to give. And with all rep, he still sucked. He could prep from now ’til the cows come home and there is no way he can reconcile his two main points -1) i believed the firings were justified and 2)i didn’t know shit.
Who’s the next victim after this bum?
Who’s the next AG?
Off topic from the important Rx data base info…however, one of the major divisions of the DOJ(Gonzales?)is the The Tax Division; counsel to the IRS. They prosecute those accused of fraud or delinquency in tax cases. Doesn’t the DOJ basically prosecute those cases it decides to prosecute? There is an idea out there that Gonzales is just a puppet for the EOP. Had any of the e-mail searches been done with names of Bush loyalists AND tax AND abatement, credit, reward, buddy, patriot, true American, or friend? Or, maybe, ’screw’, payback, teach them a lesson, or Texas justice?
He was in charge.
Any culture of partisan cheating at Justice is his responsibility to root out. That he didn’t may not exculpate his employees, but it should give lavish grounds for the excusal of those employees, especially when it’s been shown that firings were common, and whistleblowers were being persecuted instead of protected.
radiofreewill @
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I heard Gonzales come close to saying that the RNC emails that were about official gov’t business come under executive privilege. And all my peronal alarm bells went off. He started to say it and garbled it a bit, in his fried brain way, then some Sen. cut him off. I was hoping somebody would follow up. My listening conditions were chaotic; picked up bits and pieces of testimony, in and out of car, and from both live and later rebroadcast. So I’m sorry I can’t pinpoint when or which Sen.’s time it was. I think it was in the afternnon.
It sounded to me like Gonzales was letting slip something that is being talked about behind closed doors–that they may try to cover the most “smoking gun” of the RNC emails with exec. priv., and presume to pick and choose which is which. Typical Bushitism. Break the public records law by doing gov’t biz on a private Republican computers, then try to use THAT to your advantage.
Somebody upstream (radiofreewill) said Gonzo didn’t mention executive priv. But I think he did–on the RNC emails.
One other thing I picked up, that nobody else seems to have mentioned. When one of the good guys was questioning him about Iglesias being “an absentee landlord” (cuz of Military reserve service!), Gonzo came back, in a real high-pitched tiny dog yipping voice, “yeah, well, what about…what about when PATRICK FITZGERALD left his US Atty job for that OTHER prosecution…what about THAT? Huh? Huh?”
Or something to that effect. Real touchy on the Patrick Fitzgerald front.
Milan, you are too kind..
the pharm data base info is way off topic -
questions about Fredo’s reign sure seem on-topic to me…
The Democrats winning big in November 2006 has served as a wake-up call for many Republicans who thought that the magical thinking (and corrupt schemes) of Karl Rove would assure Republicans one-party control over our country for decades to come.
Some of these Republicans now realize that politicizing the Justice Department from top to bottom by corrupt individuals like Alberto Gonzales, and the equally corrupt graduates of Trinity University Law School, could lead to a voter backlash (like in November 2006) and assure Democratic control of the White House and the Justice Department starting in January 2009, at which time a Democratic president will fire all the crony, crooked Republican-appointed U.S. Attorneys, replacing them all with (hopefully) fair and impartial “rule of law” U.S. Attorneys.
Of course, after as much Republican corruption as evidenced over the years of the worst and most corrupt administration in U.S. history, any fair and impartial “rule of law” U.S. Attorney (like Carol Lam) will have plenty of opportunities to follow the “rule of law” and bring a whole lot of corrupt Republicans to justice.
Which has a whole bunch of corrupt Republicans either lawyering-up or making out-of-country travel plans (Halliburton?). They now realize, especially after the November 2006 election results, that a majority of patriotic and loyal U.S. citizens are fed up with Republican corruption, Republican greed and Republican lies, and the piper is getting ready to be paid…in full…under the “rule of law…as per our democratic, constitutional form of government.
Praise God and start passing out the subpoenaes.