BusChen must go…

…for the good of the ship…

…for the good of the planet.

Assuming one half of the 64 “I don’t recalls” was not the whole truth but rather a convenient was to not answer the question, would you agrre with Byron York on this one thing?

“Judging by his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee Thursday, there are three questions about the U.S. attorneys mess that Attorney General Alberto Gonzales wants answered: What did I know? When did I know it? And why did I fire those U.S. attorneys?” observed writer Byron York, no liberal he. “As the day dragged on, it became clear — painfully clear to anyone who supports Gonzales — that the attorney general didn’t know the answers.”

For the record, Gonzales hit what many believe to have been a record for “don’t recalling” by a Cabinet member appearing before an oversight hearing: 64. And that does not count the dozens of “do-not-remember” and “can’t-quite-recollect” variations.

But Gonzales will be worrying less about National Review than about Republicans on the Judiciary Committee. Sure, Democrats were tough on Gonzales, but many of the roughest critiques came from the Attorney General’s partisan “allies.” link

drei

Hola Christy y saludos a todos los perritos del lago de fuego!

mc @ 4

Hola Christy y saludos a todos los perritos del lago de fuego!

No debe ser Perros del Fuego del Lago?

mc at 4 — :)

Texas Betsy @ 5

mc @ 4

Hola Christy y saludos a todos los perritos del lago de fuego!

No debe ser Perros del Fuego del Lago?

You know, I went back and forth on that. My Spanish ain’t what it used to be. ;-)

York knows full well that Gonzo knows full well the answers to those three questions.
Agree with York, not me. Sorry.

mc @ 7

Texas Betsy @ 5

mc @ 4

Hola Christy y saludos a todos los perritos del lago de fuego!

No debe ser Perros del Fuego del Lago?

I was imagining firedogs. Like at a firehouse. In which case we’re perritos de los bomberos del lago

You know, I went back and forth on that. My Spanish ain’t what it used to be. ;-)

Thank you firedoglake for helping to inform the public on stories that are not covered.

One story from yesterday that has not receieved any mention in the main stream media distraction circus.

It also has to do with the Justice Department.
Interesting timing.

The BUSH Justice Department and the case of Luis Posada Carriles… an ex CIA asset, internationally wanted to stand trial for the bombing of Cubana flight 455 that killed 73 men, women, and children in 1976. The Director of the CIA and secrets ops at the time –> was George H. W. Bush.

Declassified National Security Documents.
Document 1: CIA, October 13, 1976, Report, “Traces on Persons Involved in 6 Oct 1976 Cubana Crash.”
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/N…../index.htm

On April 19, 2007 Luis Posada Carriles was freed from a New Mexico jail after he posted $250,000 bond and his family put up another $100,000. The ex CIA asset will be flown Miami pending his May 11 trial on “immigration fraud charges”.

–> We recall George W. Bush’s 2003 speech in which he said anyone who harbors or supports terrorists is as guilty as the terrorists themselves.

Just sitting here, waiting for today’s Friday news dump sweepstakes to hit the fan…

Christy Hardin Smith @ 11

Just sitting here, waiting for today’s Friday news dump sweepstakes to hit the fan…

I’m betting on Wolfowitz to be the entree on tonight’s menu. When CNBC and the financial talking heads are talking about his political scandal instead of the stock markets, you know the GOP folks in DC are listening.

Smiths at 10 — Actually, the Houston Chronicle had an article on that recently. See here for more.

well i am finally feeling well enough to get out of this house and go to the office for a few hours. see y’all this afternoon or evening.

Eventually Maine voters are likely to dump their gooper senators..and Specter is stinkin like last year’s garbage.. Sadly, when they go, it means the end of the moderate wing of the gooper party…like the last dodo birds.

Sometimes I think I’ve been fitted with a PCP implant and cannot get out of this surreal, bizzare drug-addled consciousness. The utter ineptitude of Gonzo yesterday (reflective of his boss, I guess) is just beyond belief. Infuriating that this clown is the top lawyer in the land.

rw at 15 — I dunno. The digust that I have heard from a number of GOP folks that I know has been growing and more angled toward taking their party back from the zealots of all shapes and sizes. No idea if there will be action to that effect — but the disharmony of late, aided by the fact that the zealots are losing them elections in a lot of places by overreaching on a lot of fronts? Music to my ears.

Ah, thanks for the Carole King. When I was in HS (Nixon/Ford Administrations) I won my first and only radio call-in contest to see her at the University of Minnesota. A great show (and a great date, if I remember).

OT: Just a friendly reminder for Mac users. There is a Security Update in Software Update.

A. “I think your credibility has been significantly impaired because of the panorama of responses you have made…”

B. “The best way to put this behind us is your resignation”

C: “Mr. Gonzales has presided over an unprecedented crippling of the Constitution’s time-honored checks and balances. He has brought the rule of law into disrepute, and debased honesty as the coin of the realm. He has engendered the suspicion that partisan politics trumps evenhanded law enforcement in the Department of Justice.”

1. Tom Coburn
2. Bruce Fein
3. Arlen Specter

Key: A:3 B:2 C:3

o/t

drive by from work X(

Vermont Senate approves Impeachment Resolution

afterdowningstreet.org

Of the many stories swirling around- I am most interested in the lapse of sanity evidenced by the pres yesterday in Ohio..

Looks as if he is feeling the stress of the hatred most of the country feels for him and it’s drivin him to the edge. Part of his statement sounded like a plea “Please don’t hate me- it hurts my feelings”. Presidents are very human- and this one may be more human than most- plenty of dark emotional spaces where things can crawl in to die and rot..

If he’s goin round the bend- don’t know if there enough drugs in Washington to keep him from bein a dangerous spectacle.

Christy Hardin Smith @
11

Just sitting here, waiting for today’s Friday news dump sweepstakes to hit the fan…

Any rumors?

time to start counting Republicans for impeachment votes. a few more weeks like this one ought to do the trick …….

the times they are a changin’.

when the water starts having that crimson tint, the sharks will appear.

given his impetus for payback, Senator Lott might go with the majority.

tw3k @ 19

OT: Just a friendly reminder for Mac users. There is a Security Update in Software Update.

thankee

Nitpick: It’s Matzzie

I got a letter last week from the moderate GOP in CA, which is trying to organize to take back party leadership in the state. Not being a member of that gang party myself, I passed it on to those who might have more interest. The letter specifically mentioned Prop85 as a reason for this movement.

LS at 23 — No rumors as yet that I can substantiate. But, for a bit of amusement, The Muck has started a GOP resignation roll call thread on Gonzales. It’s quite the read.

Redd,

There are a lot of moderate goopers in on the east coast- but it isn’t clear that they can win elections any more. The gooper brand stands for something other than what they espouse- so in a general election- the dems are trouncing em regularly.. Don’t know if there’s a strategy for saving that wing of the party. I can’t think of it.

Christy Hardin Smith @ 11

Just sitting here, waiting for today’s Friday news dump sweepstakes to hit the fan…

I think Abu will be on a flight to Texas when they announce his resignation this afternoon. The WH will use the weekend news cycle to capture the bandwdith: Who will be the next AG?

OK – must depart into freak April showers in Southern California. Have a great day, all!

Christy Hardin Smith @
17

rw at 15 — I dunno. The digust that I have heard from a number of GOP folks that I know has been growing and more angled toward taking their party back from the zealots of all shapes and sizes. No idea if there will be action to that effect — but the disharmony of late, aided by the fact that the zealots are losing them elections in a lot of places by overreaching on a lot of fronts? Music to my ears.

Oh, for the disharmony to result in two GOP tickets in the 2008 general election: theocrats vs. corporatists.

Giuliani/Romney vs Brownback/Musgrave

Yum.

…choose your constituents or George Bush…

Exactly right.

A moderate running on the gooper ticket is a lot like a line of baby care products carrying the “Smith and Wesson” brand. It doesn’t compute!

At Making Light there’s a comment (from someone with personal experience) that McCain may be in the initial stages of Alzheimer’s.

Don’t know if it’s today, but when Gonzo resigns the media will portray it as a “good thing for the Administration and the Republic Party going into ‘08…”

After the spectacle of Abu’s testimony yesterday and the deserving response, I can see a lot of goopers pouring the coal to a resignation drive.
Hell, he embarassed me.

Chimpy speaking live…. but I only see it on Fox.

Ms. Miers – If you are enjoying the Lake today, please consider the enormity of your position in the USA firings scandal – this is a poor way to make a statement FOR the Unitary Executive Theory.

The president may have gotten what he calls a ‘good’ performance from AG Gonzales, but what price Trust? What good is any governing apparatus without the Trust of the People?

The risk you run in blindly, ideologically, supporting the president here is that you can no longer be responsive to the will of the People when the two are in conflict.

It would be a mis-estimation, imvho, to not think that the final arbiter of power in our Country is the People – in the final analysis, our Loyalty as Citizens is to each other, and not to a figure above the Law.

Please look into your heart choose US.

P J Evans @ 34

At Making Light there’s a comment (from someone with personal experience) that McCain may be in the initial stages of Alzheimer’s.

Certainly I don’t wish that on anyone — but I wish it on America (again!) even less.

You’ve got ta figure that both of the Bushes (Bushi?) are bein heavily medicated now and have been for at least a couple of years. Eventually this will take a toll.

I just listened to Jane and John Amato om blogradio. It was excallent!
blogtalkradio.com sorry no link

OT Kyra Philips of CNN has started drinking the KoolAid. She says that she doesn’t understand how Harry Reid can make his comments…when was the last time he was in Iraq? Kyra has been in Iraq for a week and now she is an expert. Kyra should change her name to Pollyanna. I’ll believe Michael Ware over Kyra any day of the week.

radiofreewill @
38

Please look into your heart choose US.

she may be more responsive to the xoxoxoxo luv & kisses stuff she used to pen to shrub

Gonzo will resign- but not for a few months- the unitary executive decider CANNOT be seen as caving to opinion- even gooper opinion- so they’ll wait for the roar to die down a bit and then Gonzo will remember that there’s somethin REALLY important he needs ta do in Texas- like raise him some pigs.

Wonder how fixed Gonzo is financially–does he still need to root around in gooper troughs for a few years?

twolf1 @ 37

Chimpy speaking live…. but I only see it on Fox.

When will we see W’s public meltdown? After yesterday’s performance in Ohio, it’s not just wishful thinking anymore.

BTW, I don’t want to see George lose it-with all the crazies running around in the world (Cheney), it would most definitely not be a good thing.

twolf1 @
37

Chimpy speaking live…. but I only see it on Fox.

if a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears it, does it really fall?

radiofreewill @ 38

Ms. Miers – If you are enjoying the Lake today, please consider the enormity of your position in the USA firings scandal – this is a poor way to make a statement FOR the Unitary Executive Theory.

The president may have gotten what he calls a ‘good’ performance from AG Gonzales, but what price Trust? What good is any governing apparatus without the Trust of the People?

The risk you run in blindly, ideologically, supporting the president here is that you can no longer be responsive to the will of the People when the two are in conflict.

It would be a mis-estimation, imvho, to not think that the final arbiter of power in our Country is the People – in the final analysis, our Loyalty as Citizens is to each other, and not to a figure above the Law.

Please look into your heart choose US.

You know who owns Ms. Miers’ heart and it’s not US. For Republics like her, nothing comes before Bush and he is above the law.

Christy says:

And folks like Mitch McConnell and John Sununu and Susan Collins, among many others are about to face a very public choice: either choose your constituents or George Bush, but you no longer get to have it both ways.

As a native of the Bluegrass living away, I follow the happenings in KY through the Courier-Journal, Herald, and a couple of blogs. Mitch McConnell (Mr Chao) made his choice long ago and it was NOT his constitutients. He is so far in the tank to BushCo and Big Bidness in general it isn’t even close to being funny. And oh the irony with his wife as Department of Labor. Another fox guarding the hen house there.

radiofreewill @ 38

Ms. Miers – If you are enjoying the Lake today, please consider the enormity of your position in the USA firings scandal – this is a poor way to make a statement FOR the Unitary Executive Theory.

The president may have gotten what he calls a ‘good’ performance from AG Gonzales, but what price Trust? What good is any governing apparatus without the Trust of the People?

The risk you run in blindly, ideologically, supporting the president here is that you can no longer be responsive to the will of the People when the two are in conflict.

It would be a mis-estimation, imvho, to not think that the final arbiter of power in our Country is the People – in the final analysis, our Loyalty as Citizens is to each other, and not to a figure above the Law.

Please look into your heart choose US.

Miers back at Locke Liddell

Sirota has some history of the firm

Chimpy on Fox – makin progress in Iraq. American forces are getting to know the local culture of the residence and are gaining their trust. (possibly buying rugs too?)

I noticed a real right-wing slant on CNN’s morning show with new host John Roberts. He even defended Rush. I just turned it off..I get the feeling the RNC influence is hitting the airwaves right about now.

BobbyG @
16

Sometimes I think I’ve been fitted with a PCP implant and cannot get out of this surreal, bizzare drug-addled consciousness. The utter ineptitude of Gonzo yesterday (reflective of his boss, I guess) is just beyond belief. Infuriating that this clown is the top lawyer in the land.

Ever read any Philip K. Dick? Vonnegut is great, but Dick’s writings seem ever so much more apropos at the moment: ;)

http://www.philipkdick.com/works_novels.html

Should I give to DCCC or to individual candidates?

Would like your thoughts on this. Just got a fundraising call from DCCC and they want $, but when I said I would probably give to individual candidates this year instead, they said “oh, but your money goes further with DCCC because we support umpteem candidates, etc”

Is DCCC Rahm’s shop? (he’s my congresscritter)

We must be makin progress in Iraq- so many more people dyin- eventually we must win eh?

OT on the media — and rumors — and GW

I keep hearing that Laura is mad at George and goes to a hotel, one reason given – GW has fallen off the wagon. The latest from gossip Ted Casablanca

I’ve heard it several times, from several sources, one supposedly reporting about an incident at teh White House where he supposedly was drinking and called her a vile name, IN FRONT of reporters from the MSM!

Now, I don’t want to hear gossipy tidbits about the family life of the President of the USA that are not relevant to the President’s job of running the country or to national security.

But if GW is off the wagon, that is relevant — to the President’s job of running the country and to our national security. So, is this bogus or is the WH press corps covering for the prez?

Has anyone else been hearing these things around?

I’m always 100 comments behind. From the last thread: IANAL and just about any other net shorthand translated:

http://www.noslang.com/

Of course, I’b bet lucky Tiger users have a dashboard widget for same use.
——-
From Layton’s WaPo chat today:

Los Gatos, Calif.: Good Morning:

I had a questions and I know it was a good question, but I can’t remember what it was. The process that I went through to formulate the question was flawed and I apologize, but I do remember that I had a question, I have searched my memory and can’t recall the question.

Lyndsey Layton: Los Gatos,

I had an answer for you but in the 30 seconds it took me to hit the buttons here and post your question, I cannot recall what it was. I am likewise sorry for that fact, but I cannot offer a response that I cannot recall.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..id=topnews

Cute.

dakine01 @ 47

Christy says:

And folks like Mitch McConnell and John Sununu and Susan Collins, among many others are about to face a very public choice: either choose your constituents or George Bush, but you no longer get to have it both ways.

As a native of the Bluegrass living away, I follow the happenings in KY through the Courier-Journal, Herald, and a couple of blogs. Mitch McConnell (Mr Chao) made his choice long ago and it was NOT his constitutients. He is so far in the tank to BushCo and Big Bidness in general it isn’t even close to being funny. And oh the irony with his wife as Department of Labor. Another fox guarding the hen house there.

Only a likely election loss would make a Republic choose anything over Bush and even then it’s not a sure thing.

mc @ 45

… When will we see W’s public meltdown? After yesterday’s performance in Ohio, it’s not just wishful thinking anymore.

BTW, I don’t want to see George lose it-with all the crazies running around in the world (Cheney), it would most definitely not be a good thing.

Yeppers. Please George, hold yerself together until We The People can come for both you and Shooter, in one swell foop, with The Law.

Catching up on the stories today and CHS’ “verdict is in” post and reading the NYT editorial, a thought occurs to me.

Abu G. went through tough training to prepare, and you could tell yesterday when he had a version of events or a talking point to hold onto, and when he was stonewalling.

But where he got trapped was in a pretty simple place, in the basic question of who made the list and how the decision was made. Here he was working with a relatively factual version of events that he had limited involvement, and he “signed off” on the decision and takes responsibility for it, and he should have done a more thorough review and a gentler firing process.

One thing no one in Abu’s training camp factored in was Sampson’s testimony that he didn’t make the list, he didn’t start the process, he didn’t come up with the (political) targets.

So that by going to the committee and saying he doesn’t know and didn’t have that much to do with it, combined with Sampson’s statement, it becomes obvious that the whole thing began (and ended) with Rove and Miers and Goodling and the White House.

Heckuva job, Abu.

Has anyone else been hearing these things around?

That was on the front page of the national enquirer a year ago.

twolf1 @ 50

Chimpy on Fox – makin progress in Iraq. American forces are getting to know the local culture of the residence and are gaining their trust. (possibly buying rugs too?)

Is it safe enough for a Bush family member to serve there yet?

Would reporters hide the fact that they’ve seen the supposedly off the wagon president drunk? That would be the scoop of a lifetime- a career making story… I don’t think so.

Chimpy on Fox – blah blah blah, al qaeda bombs markets in iraq – it’s what they do. goal is to defeat the security operation by conducting spectacular attacks. Everything bad that happens in iraq is al qaeda’s fault. 9/11 9/11. iraqi’s must not give in to Al Q if they want a peaceful society. since we put more troops in, weapon stockpile discoveries have increased 50%.

Al Kamen has some great thoughts at “In the Loop” about possible successors to Wolfowitz being bandied around, like Robert Zoellick, and tosses in a couple of new ones for fun:

There’s Attorney General Alberto “Fredo” Gonzales, though he lacks banking experience and other requisites. After yesterday’s dreadful appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee, he might be looking for work — and the bank job doesn’t require Senate confirmation.

But what they truly need is an articulate, persuasive, intelligent leader, someone with many years of international banking experience — maybe who’s even run a bank; someone with substantial managerial experience and extraordinary political agility; someone who’s been very close to the Bush administration and the neocon crowd of which Wolfowitz is a charter member and who could bring a multicultural perspective to the organization.

Who would that be? Yes, of course, Ahmed Chalabi, the former deputy prime minister of Iraq! Sure, Chalabi had that little bad patch in Jordan, where he was convicted of embezzlement and fraud, but that’s old news, happened long before he sat, beaming, behind first lady Laura Bush at the 2004 State of the Union address. And those recent agent-of-Iran allegations are all unproven. . . .

There’s buzz that Wolfowitz thinks the storm has passed and it’s time to look forward. He is reported to have said that at a bank managers meeting Wednesday, prompting his own deputy, Graeme Wheeler, a widely respected former New Zealand treasury official and a bank veteran, to tell him to resign.

Sounds like there’s something contagious going around the GOP.

Elliott @ 54

OT on the media — and rumors — and GW

I keep hearing that Laura is mad at George and goes to a hotel, one reason given – GW has fallen off the wagon. The latest from gossip Ted Casablanca

I’ve heard it several times, from several sources, one supposedly reporting about an incident at teh White House where he supposedly was drinking and called her a vile name, IN FRONT of reporters from the MSM!

Now, I don’t want to hear gossipy tidbits about the family life of the President of the USA that are not relevant to the President’s job of running the country or to national security.

But if GW is off the wagon, that is relevant — to the President’s job of running the country and to our national security. So, is this bogus or is the WH press corps covering for the prez?

Has anyone else been hearing these things around?

Some of that is the old Mayflower story from Wayne Madsen. However, it might explain his marriage comments in his “strange” speech yesterday. It would not be the first time there were marital problems in the WH.

grape_crush @ 32

…choose your constituents or George Bush…

Exactly right.

yes, Christy’s exactly right
choose your constituents or George Bush, it can’t be both

rwcole @ 62

Would reporters hide the fact that they’ve seen the supposedly off the wagon president drunk? That would be the scoop of a lifetime- a career making story… I don’t think so.

He’s so managed that they may not see him really drunk.

Fox just broke away from bush to pick up the ANS story. Apparently they are waiting for Bush to slam Reid for saying the war is not winnable.

Christy Hardin Smith @ 11

Just sitting here, waiting for today’s Friday news dump sweepstakes to hit the fan…

It’s started:

A two-month spending bill to cover the costs of the Iraq war is “very likely” after President Bush vetoes the current Iraq spending bill, House Defense Appropriations Chairman John Murtha (D-Pa.) said Friday.

mc @ 45

When will we see W’s public meltdown? After yesterday’s performance in Ohio, it’s not just wishful thinking anymore.

But I think it’s a necessary evil (lesser evil?) here to have Georgie go into a full-on Captain Queeq-Colonel Jessup freak-out. It’s the only way that I see the Republicans getting enough political capital and face-saving cover to be able to break completely from the extortive influence of Bush and his Brain.

Reid’s “war is lost” comment is one of those nudges towards the edge, as is the steady drip-drip of the Oversight Committee’s and Judiciary Committees’ water torture. If Rover gets completely caught up in covering his backside, there will be no one keeping Bush on an even keel and propping him up, he’ll do a double-reverse Queeq with a full Jessep and the Republicans will run away screaming for help to stop the madness.

I just hope that pushing the red button on Iran is not part of that double-reverse Queeg.

powwow500 @ 52

Should I give to DCCC or to individual candidates?

Would like your thoughts on this. Just got a fundraising call from DCCC and they want $, but when I said I would probably give to individual candidates this year instead, they said “oh, but your money goes further with DCCC because we support umpteem candidates, etc”

Is DCCC Rahm’s shop? (he’s my congresscritter)

Rahm used to run the D-triple-C; now Chris Van Hollen runs it. If you want other people deciding where to spend your money (people whose ideas about candidates may not align with your own) sure.

I come to chat with Howie’s guests here on Saturdays and decide whether to give my money directly to candidates through progressive powerhouse BlueAmerica. ymmv

My guess, by the way, is that Clusterfuck has NEVER quit drinking. Rove needed a way to separate him from a lot of Dallas stories about his drunken behavior- so the fact that he found Jesus and gave up the juice fit the story line to a tee. There was no need, of course, to actually give up drinking- just public drinking.

rwcole @ 62

Would reporters hide the fact that they’ve seen the supposedly off the wagon president drunk? That would be the scoop of a lifetime- a career making story… I don’t think so.

That’s my first reaction, but the story is still buzzing –since last year according to rwcole

powwow — Building on what Teddy said at 72, Howie has been working on getting Van Hollen here for a chat as well at some point. When and if we get something firm, we’ll certainly let you all know. :)

Bustednuckles @ 59

Has anyone else been hearing these things around?

That was on the front page of the national enquirer a year ago.

Wayne Madsen features stuff like that sometimes as well.

Hold onto your hats, gang — we’re getting things moving, and we’re going to help shake up the status quo. Here’s to the folks inside the Beltway remembering they work for us, and not the other way around.

and here’s to FDL for leading the way!

a little OT:

Chairman Waxman informs former White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card that the Oversight Committee will meet on April 25 to consider a subpoena for Mr. Card’s testimony regarding the leak of Valerie Plame Wilson’s covert identity and White House security procedures unless Mr. Card agrees to appear before the Committee voluntarily

http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1261

Blub @ 43

radiofreewill @
38

Please look into your heart choose US.

she may be more responsive to the xoxoxoxo luv & kisses stuff she used to pen to shrub

Right on! It’s exactly what I thought of. Yuck. And then I thought of those puppy eyes Nancy used to give Ronnie. And then I thought of how, at that time, I couldn’t bare to watch Him on TV, but then I thought oh man, it’s Way Worse Now!
I’m hiding inside from this LA rain and trying to get the fire going. Literally and metaphorically. Keep having to move from the ‘puter to get down on my knees and blow.

TiredFed @ 76

a little OT:

Chairman Waxman informs former White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card that the Oversight Committee will meet on April 25 to consider a subpoena for Mr. Card’s testimony regarding the leak of Valerie Plame Wilson’s covert identity and White House security procedures unless Mr. Card agrees to appear before the Committee voluntarily

http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1261

ANZAC day

Chairman Waxman? Never OT ’round here. Go Henry!

tw3k @
19

OT: Just a friendly reminder for Mac users. There is a Security Update in Software Update.

T’anx. :})

Andrew Card knew when it was time ta get out of the madhouse- I mean White House.

Froomkin’s up, too!

Mae @ 42

OT Kyra Philips of CNN has started drinking the KoolAid. She says that she doesn’t understand how Harry Reid can make his comments…when was the last time he was in Iraq? Kyra has been in Iraq for a week and now she is an expert. Kyra should change her name to Pollyanna. I’ll believe Michael Ware over Kyra any day of the week.

My impression is that Kyra Phillips of the Cheney News Network has been drinking the KoolAid for a long time now.

“CNN hit rock bottom on Wednesday morning, when anchor Kyra Phillips interviewed Ali’s doctor in Kuwait, Dr Imad al- Najada explained that, although Ali told reporters he was grateful for his treatment, he also hopes no other ‘children in the war will suffer like what he suffered’. Phillips seemed shocked by Ali’s apparent inability to understand we were only trying to help him. ‘Doctor, does he understand why this war took place? Has he talked about Operation Iraqi Freedom and the meaning. Does he understand it?’”

Chimp’s got three Craigslist wantads to get filled:
1. warczar
2. AG
3, WorldBanker.

Re #3, from LLate Nite:

Ed*ard Teller @
54

The future of Paul Wolfowitz, the embattled President of the World Bank, was in further jeopardy last night after it emerged that the White House was drawing up a list of candidates to succeed him.

That’s what these guys think.

Rove is taking resumes from Recency U. grads only. Must NOT have taken any courses on economics. Comb licking photos are listed as required enclosure number 3.

wait til Marcy sees this:

After receiving a second response from the State Department, Rep. Waxman writes to Secretary Rice announcing a one-week postponement of the Committee’s consideration of a subpoena and asking her to schedule a voluntary appearance before the Committee prior to the Memorial Day recess.

and the response from an underling at State:

http://oversight.house.gov/doc…..172645.pdf

boy is she gonna have a field day!

The other thing about my post above about how Abu’s “truthiness” points straight at the White House, is the way his failure to answer the most basic question (I think Sen. Kennedy got this line started) needs to be tied as strongly as possible to the fact that the investigation has to continue as the highest of priorities for the committee, the senate, and the press.

The republic spin was in clear evidence (on NPR and elsewhere) yesterday with a lot of comments and questions about how there was no smoking gun and now it’s up to the President and his faithful Abu, so isn’t this all over as far as the committee and congress are concerned? Uh, no.

It’s not over until the emails are turned over and there’s testimony under oath from White House officials. But no, no, no it’s not over, and it’s not just about Abu and what a utter bumbling mediocrity he is.

rwcole @ 72

My guess, by the way, is that Clusterfuck has NEVER quit drinking. Rove needed a way to separate him from a lot of Dallas stories about his drunken behavior- so the fact that he found Jesus and gave up the juice fit the story line to a tee. There was no need, of course, to actually give up drinking- just public drinking.

I agree. The story was used to make Bush seem magically resolute in that he willed himself to stop drinking in a single day.

TiredFed @ 77

a little OT:

Chairman Waxman informs former White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card that the Oversight Committee will meet on April 25 to consider a subpoena for Mr. Card’s testimony regarding the leak of Valerie Plame Wilson’s covert identity and White House security procedures unless Mr. Card agrees to appear before the Committee voluntarily

http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1261

maybe Card’ll come over to the light side

rwcole @ 61

Would reporters hide the fact that they’ve seen the supposedly off the wagon president drunk? That would be the scoop of a lifetime- a career making story… I don’t think so.

Two answers:

– The reporters in the White House gaggle completely ignored and continue to ignore a moonlighting whore that tossed softball questions at the POTUS immediately following the war;

– E! reported that Miss Pickles was living elsewhere.

Both symptoms of a larger problem, which I think Bill Moyers will cover in his newly reborn Bill Moyers’ Journal soon. (Take that, you folks who said you wouldn’t give to PBS any longer…)

Bustednuckles @ 60

Has anyone else been hearing these things around?

That was on the front page of the national enquirer a year ago.

Re Bush:
The gossip in Europe is that he can’t keep his pants zipped and she is sick of it.

Christy Hardin Smith @ 11

Just sitting here, waiting for today’s Friday news dump sweepstakes to hit the fan…

sorry it took so long ;)

Elliott @
55

OT on the media — and rumors — and GW

I keep hearing that Laura is mad at George and goes to a hotel, one reason given – GW has fallen off the wagon. The latest from gossip Ted Casablanca

I’ve heard it several times, from several sources, one supposedly reporting about an incident at teh White House where he supposedly was drinking and called her a vile name, IN FRONT of reporters from the MSM!

Now, I don’t want to hear gossipy tidbits about the family life of the President of the USA that are not relevant to the President’s job of running the country or to national security.

But if GW is off the wagon, that is relevant — to the President’s job of running the country and to our national security. So, is this bogus or is the WH press corps covering for the prez?

Has anyone else been hearing these things around?

I posted the bit from Casablanca a couple of times, including earlier today. He pointed out that she prolly isn’t going in and out the front door

I’m only passing familiar /Queeg. I hope he wasn’t relieved by second in command. That analogy would be very grave for the nation.

Wiki recaps:

Maryk relieves the captain from duty on the grounds of mental illness.

Maybe Kucinich is correct. A VP under impeachment clouds would have trouble with that kind of maneuver. I’d hope.

egregious at 91 — Blergh. Now THAT is a mental image that I did not need today. *g*

there’s more:

Committee to Consider Four Subpoenas to Further Investigations
The Oversight Committee will hold a business meeting on Wednesday, April 25, at which four subpoenas for testimony and documents will be considered. The subpoenas under consideration are for:

The testimony of Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice regarding the fabricated claim that Iraq sought uranium from Niger and other issues;

The testimony of former White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card regarding the leak of Valerie Plame Wilson’s covert identity and White House security procedures;

RNC documents related to possible violations of the Presidential Records Act and the Hatch Act by White House officials;

Contacts between the White House and MZM, a federal contractor implicated in bribery charges.
___

came in an email from Henry. head on over to his website http://oversight.house.gov/ and sign up folks.

Mae @
42

OT Kyra Philips of CNN has started drinking the KoolAid. She says that she doesn’t understand how Harry Reid can make his comments…when was the last time he was in Iraq? Kyra has been in Iraq for a week and now she is an expert. Kyra should change her name to Pollyanna. I’ll believe Michael Ware over Kyra any day of the week.

Oh, I’m glad you brought this up. She really has had too much Koolaid, hasn’t she? “There are pockets of progress!”

I think it was TPM that was reporting that Susan Collins won’t support the withdrawal bill, but will offer her own bill on the subject. She’s trying to cover her ass on this, which I suspect means that she’ll vote with the country next time around.

Neil Bush has banking experience (Silverado Savings and Loan). He could replace Wolfowitz.

I guess Renzi learned his lesson from Doolittle: Leader Boehner doesn’t want to read about your FBI raid in the paper!

This is an AP story — the WaPo appears not to have devoted pixels or ink to it.

Blank Kludge @ 94

I’m only passing familiar /Queeg. I hope he wasn’t relieved by second in command. That analogy would be very grave for the nation.

Wiki recaps:

Maryk relieves the captain from duty on the grounds of mental illness.

Maybe Kucinich is correct. A VP under impeachment clouds would have trouble with that kind of maneuver. I’d hope.

it’s not like the VP is sane

Redshift at 98 — Funny how her own bill possibility cropped up after she started getting constituent pressure on this issue, isn’t it? ;-)

Thanks for this analysis – so the committee really does have to call Ms. Goodling, Mr. Rove and Ms. Miers, don’t they? Ms. Goodling might be a good start!

zhiv @ 59

But where he [Abu G] got trapped was in a pretty simple place, in the basic question of who made the list and how the decision was made. Here he was working with a relatively factual version of events that he had limited involvement, and he “signed off” on the decision and takes responsibility for it, and he should have done a more thorough review and a gentler firing process.

So that by going to the committee and saying he doesn’t know and didn’t have that much to do with it, combined with Sampson’s statement, it becomes obvious that the whole thing began (and ended) with Rove and Miers and Goodling and the White House.

Badwater @ 99

Neil Bush has banking experience (Silverado Savings and Loan). He could replace Wolfowitz.

don’t be silly, BushCo doesn’t believe in nepotism

Christy Hardin Smith @ 95

egregious at 91 — Blergh. Now THAT is a mental image that I did not need today. *g*

my first was the Merkel massage

Badwater @ 98

Neil Bush has banking experience (Silverado Savings and Loan). He could replace Wolfowitz.

We’ve lost so much world influence that the next WBPresident, while still “chosen” by our President, might be an Afghani. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but Chimpy has so alienated the WBankers with Wolfie that he’s casting a terribly wide net…

Sorry Christy!

grape_crush @ 69

Christy Hardin Smith @ 11

Just sitting here, waiting for today’s Friday news dump sweepstakes to hit the fan…

It’s started:

A two-month spending bill to cover the costs of the Iraq war is “very likely” after President Bush vetoes the current Iraq spending bill, House Defense Appropriations Chairman John Murtha (D-Pa.) said Friday.

Excellent! “We’ll see your ‘threaten to abandon troops and blame it on us’ and raise you a ‘keep having this debate every couple of months as public opinion trends our way’.”

Christy Hardin Smith @ 101

Redshift at 98 — Funny how her own bill possibility cropped up after she started getting constituent pressure on this issue, isn’t it? ;-)

I wonder if she’s had a heart-to-heart with Jane Harman about who she really works for.

Badwater @ 99

Neil Bush has banking experience (Silverado Savings and Loan). He could replace Wolfowitz.

Hee hee!

Elliott @
89

TiredFed @ 77

a little OT:

Chairman Waxman informs former White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card that the Oversight Committee will meet on April 25 to consider a subpoena for Mr. Card’s testimony regarding the leak of Valerie Plame Wilson’s covert identity and White House security procedures unless Mr. Card agrees to appear before the Committee voluntarily

http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1261

maybe Card’ll come over to the light side

Don’t hold your breath. He’s more of a BushCo I person, but stil loyal.

Rayne @70

But I think it’s a necessary evil (lesser evil?) here to have Georgie go into a full-on Captain Queeq-Colonel Jessup freak-out. It’s the only way that I see the Republicans getting enough political capital and face-saving cover to be able to break completely from the extortive influence of Bush and his Brain.

Reid’s “war is lost” comment is one of those nudges towards the edge, as is the steady drip-drip of the Oversight Committee’s and Judiciary Committees’ water torture.

My vote is that Speaker Pelosi’s maternal admonitions are THE most effective way of getting under his skin. Hits a very special nerve.

You’re right — I think a lot of us 70%ers are keeping a wary eye out for such a breakdown. Sadly, it may be what it takes to get him to hand over the keys.

Redshift @ 108

Excellent! “We’ll see your ‘threaten to abandon troops and blame it on us’ and raise you a ‘keep having this debate every couple of months as public opinion trends our way’.”

what Redshift said!!!

ifthethunderdontgetya @ 84
I never heard that! I’m at a loss for words.

The Whitehouse White House chart. It was the Bush Maladministration’s Alexander Butterfield moment, and I think Chairman Leahy knew it. Was he really surprised yesterday, do you think?

P J Evans @ 34

At Making Light there’s a comment (from someone with personal experience) that McCain may be in the initial stages of Alzheimer’s.

No other explanation if you ask my opinion. I’ve disliked him for a long time, but he’s really off his meds now. I also wonder if the VN imprisonment comes back to bite in old age. My Jewish sister-in-law who reads Der Aufbau, tells me that holocause survivors are much more susceptible to mental disease & suicide in their old age than is the population as a whole.

The Rice response to Waxman basically told him he’s an ignorant slut and to go Cheney himself – all figuratively speaking, of course.

Somebody take the gloves off!!

Bush yesterday: “There are jobs Americans aren’t doing. … If you’ve got a chicken factory, a chicken-plucking factory, or whatever you call them, you know what I’m talking about.”

Does that sound sober?

TiredFed @ 85

wait til Marcy sees this:

After receiving a second response from the State Department, Rep. Waxman writes to Secretary Rice announcing a one-week postponement of the Committee’s consideration of a subpoena and asking her to schedule a voluntary appearance before the Committee prior to the Memorial Day recess.

and the response from an underling at State:

http://oversight.house.gov/doc…..172645.pdf

boy is she gonna have a field day!

Check it out.

christy -

i had the honor of meeting tom matzzie (briefly a couple of times) last summer when i was in CT for ned lamont’s campaign.

there is something i’d like to ask tom – about the push poll moveon did just before the house vote on H.R.1591… i was so upset about that, that i even cancelled my membership with moveon. anyway, i’d dearly like to have a (polite and respectful) conversation about that with tom (if he is willing).

i would definately be very polite (and would be happy to compose my question before hand so you could talk a look and let me know if it was ok to post).

… i don’t want to step on anyone’s toes… and if you tell me that you don’t want me to raise the subject, i will abstain from the conversation.

there was a good (mostly respectful although impassioned) discussion here at the lake when it happened…. just to give you an idea about where i’m coming from on this.

ruh roh, Shaggy. Howdy Doody Putnam called for a Gonzales resignation today.

rwcole @ 44

Gonzo will resign- but not for a few months- the unitary executive decider CANNOT be seen as caving to opinion- even gooper opinion- so they’ll wait for the roar to die down a bit and then Gonzo will remember that there’s somethin REALLY important he needs ta do in Texas- like raise him some pigs.

Wonder how fixed Gonzo is financially–does he still need to root around in gooper troughs for a few years?

Lobbying few remaining R members of Congress after 08 election? Ooops. After yesterday, guess he doesn’t have any friends there!

Kyra sounds like she’s been drinking the Chimp’s gratitude koolaid — the American people need to hear how grateful the Iraqis are. Yeah, that’s the ticket, more hearts and flowers from Iraqis.

Historians may note that the day Card left the White House- the wheels began to fall off- and the curtain that hid all the ugliness from public view began to disolve.

P J Evans @ 34

At Making Light there’s a comment (from someone with personal experience) that McCain may be in the initial stages of Alzheimer’s.

Even if he’s not in the initial stages, he’s just too old now. Also, he lost his soul having sold it to the Bush family.

You know who owns Ms. Miers’ heart and it’s not US. For Republics like her, nothing comes before Bush and he is above the law.

Do Miers, Rice & Hughes do straws to see who gets to spend the night with W, or do they do scissors, paper, rock?

Nola Sue @ 112

My vote is that Speaker Pelosi’s maternal admonitions are THE most effective way of getting under his skin. Hits a very special nerve.

I hadn’t thought of it that way. My ex was like that, a certain tone of voice set him off — and it went back to his childhood. You could see the change come over him, his eyes would go dead!
scares me so much to think GW’s like that.

Redd, ygm at aol and FDL. nothing too exciting.

Christy Hardin Smith @ 121

ruh roh, Shaggy. Howdy Doody Putnam called for a Gonzales resignation today.

Gotta love that TPM headline: “Senior House GOPer…”

When I think “senior,” Putnam doesn’t spring to mind. I know he’s senior in leadership, but he’s hardly senior in the number of Gillette razors he’s gone through in his lifetime.

Do I heard Russ on this MoveOn ad?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9L3kEQXjrU
“We can’t afford another reckless president!”

Christy Hardin Smith @ 121

ruh roh, Shaggy. Howdy Doody Putnam called for a Gonzales resignation today.

Let me pick my chin up off the floor and think about this. Has Adam Putnam ever had an independent thought from Chimpy?

selise at 120 — I’m sure Tom would answer a question on that — but because we’re trying to do a mobilization on this in terms of contacting the politicians who need pressure on this at the moment, I’m worried that the entire conversation would become about that one push issue from several weeks ago and not about what needs to be done now. I don’t want to tell you not to ask it — but I do reserve the right to steer the conversation if it becomes all about the past and not about what needs to be done now, does that make sense? It’s absolutely a legitimate question — but we’re really trying to get the word out on the need to pressure these folks on this because I think it can make a huge political impact both now and leading into 2008 for several of them.

Damn, I was hoping this was a Status Quo video…

Elliott @ 55

OT on the media — and rumors — and GW

I keep hearing that Laura is mad at George and goes to a hotel, one reason given – GW has fallen off the wagon. The latest from gossip Ted Casablanca

I’ve heard it several times, from several sources, one supposedly reporting about an incident at teh White House where he supposedly was drinking and called her a vile name, IN FRONT of reporters from the MSM!

Now, I don’t want to hear gossipy tidbits about the family life of the President of the USA that are not relevant to the President’s job of running the country or to national security.

But if GW is off the wagon, that is relevant — to the President’s job of running the country and to our national security. So, is this bogus or is the WH press corps covering for the prez?

Has anyone else been hearing these things around?

Only place I’ve seen this is on waynemadsenreport & he’s a real tinfoilhat guy.

OT — oh damnitall, I was afraid of this.

RIM-Blackberry finally ‘fessing up to the reason for the crash — and I see a word I did NOT want to see in the explanation.

[sigh]

Could have been a black ops, kids.

eCAHNomics @ 134

Elliott @ 55

OT on the media — and rumors — and GW

I keep hearing that Laura is mad at George and goes to a hotel, one reason given – GW has fallen off the wagon. The latest from gossip Ted Casablanca

I’ve heard it several times, from several sources, one supposedly reporting about an incident at teh White House where he supposedly was drinking and called her a vile name, IN FRONT of reporters from the MSM!

Now, I don’t want to hear gossipy tidbits about the family life of the President of the USA that are not relevant to the President’s job of running the country or to national security.

But if GW is off the wagon, that is relevant — to the President’s job of running the country and to our national security. So, is this bogus or is the WH press corps covering for the prez?

Has anyone else been hearing these things around?

Only place I’ve seen this is on waynemadsenreport & he’s a real tinfoilhat guy.

Eonline gossip: http://www.eonline.com/gossip/…..8fe92ca139

Redshift @ 108

Excellent! “We’ll see your ‘threaten to abandon troops and blame it on us’ and raise you a ‘keep having this debate every couple of months as public opinion trends our way’.”

Erm…Meanwhile, in Iraq, another bomb exploded in a crowded…

Not that I’m opposed to trying to make some political hay out of Dubya’s asinine stand against bringing our troops home and handing control over to the Iraqis, but…I just don’t like pussy-footing around while people try to locate missing pieces of their families and friends.

Then again, since Dubya will never sign a bill that doesn’t respect his authorit-tai to prolong the occupation of Iraq until he’s out of office, I can’t really disagree with you.

Rayne @ 135

OT — oh damnitall, I was afraid of this.

RIM-Blackberry finally ‘fessing up to the reason for the crash — and I see a word I did NOT want to see in the explanation.

[sigh]

Could have been a black ops, kids.

That was my immediate thought, too!

Christy Hardin Smith @ 121

ruh roh, Shaggy. Howdy Doody Putnam called for a Gonzales resignation today.

we need more of these.

LS @ 119

TiredFed @ 85

wait til Marcy sees this:

After receiving a second response from the State Department, Rep. Waxman writes to Secretary Rice announcing a one-week postponement of the Committee’s consideration of a subpoena and asking her to schedule a voluntary appearance before the Committee prior to the Memorial Day recess.

and the response from an underling at State:

house.gov pdf

boy is she gonna have a field day!

Check it out.

I especially liked the part where it was suggested to Rep Waxman that if he was looking for answers from Dr. Rice, he should check out the transcript from a previous interview – With Gwen Ifil!!

Can’t see anything happening yet that seriously threatens Clusterfuck’s ability to keep the troops in Iraq. What’s goin on now is window dressing- important window dressing in terms of stimulating a much needed public dialogue- but window dressing. Nothin will change until a significant number of goopers are forced on board- and that won’t happen until after October. Until then, we’re gonna have more of the same.

Rayne @ 135

OT — oh damnitall, I was afraid of this.

RIM-Blackberry finally ‘fessing up to the reason for the crash — and I see a word I did NOT want to see in the explanation.

[sigh]

Could have been a black ops, kids.

You like that? A key communications subcontract for Congress itself is held by a company controlled by a foreign country.

It’s not over until the emails are turned over and there’s testimony under oath from White House officials. But no, no, no it’s not over, and it’s not just about Abu and what a utter bumbling mediocrity he is.

Is it just e-mails? Does the Immaculately Conceived List exist in physical form? I realise I should know but I tend to read some of this stuff VERY late (UK time) when my memory is not of the best. If it is in written form I would bet it’s on Word. If it’s on Word then, unless someone’s been very sophisticated,( and they haven’t been have they? then no matter how often it has been changed, the document will still identify when and where it was first created, at least to the level of the machine and probably including the name of the person whose password opened the machine. IANAT (I am not a tecchie) but isn’t that right? Of course a scanned image won’t show this.

Clusterfuck is “all in” with the surge. He’s not only sent additional troops- he’s fuckin with the time lines so that troops are bein sent earlier and brought home later than scheduled- this is a short term solution and it can’t last. Shows that he knows that 2007 is the very last chance to show that he’s winnin- if it goes past that- he loses the goopers in an election year and it’s all over.

Sounds like Chimpy went off-script privately with the Speaker at Wednesday’s meeting, and Perino is backpedalling:

According to two people who were at the meeting, the speaker said she told the president that she wanted to come back to the White House and give him an official briefing on the Syria trip and Bush quickly motioned for his staff to set up a meeting.

Bush spokeswoman Dana Perino, who was at the White House meeting Wednesday, took issue with Pelosi’s account of the conversation in the Cabinet Room, which came at the end of talks largely devoted to funding the Iraq war. Perino said that Pelosi started the conversation about the Syria trip and that she never heard Bush back off his criticism.

“I was there the whole time. I don’t recall him saying that,” Perino said. “I know that he is critical of the trip, and what he says in private is the same as in public.”

Speaker Pelosi has also called for a Gonzales resignation.

Rayne @ 135

OT — oh damnitall, I was afraid of this.

RIM-Blackberry finally ‘fessing up to the reason for the crash — and I see a word I did NOT want to see in the explanation.

[sigh]

Could have been a black ops, kids.

Rayne, What word?

Does anyone know if Clusterfuck has ever been asked whether or not HE approved canning the attorneys? I just can’t remember. If not- I don’t expect any press conferences soon. It should be the number one question asked.

Elliott @ 89

TiredFed @ 77

a little OT:

Chairman Waxman informs former White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card that the Oversight Committee will meet on April 25 to consider a subpoena for Mr. Card’s testimony regarding the leak of Valerie Plame Wilson’s covert identity and White House security procedures unless Mr. Card agrees to appear before the Committee voluntarily

http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1261

maybe Card’ll come over to the light side

You obviously didn’t see him on The Daily Show (last week?). He still’s on Kool-Ade for breakfast, lunch & dinner.

Rayne 135, Hmmmm

“The love so many BlackBerry users have for their devices will be a saving grace, said telecom analyst Jeffrey Kagan. “BlackBerry will take a hit, but it will probably come back because the users are almost rabid. Palm and other competitors should be up on the news. However, the bottom line is, after the next few weeks, we will all go back to trusting again. Until the next disaster.”

Christy Hardin Smith @ 132

selise at 120 — I’m sure Tom would answer a question on that — but because we’re trying to do a mobilization on this in terms of contacting the politicians who need pressure on this at the moment, I’m worried that the entire conversation would become about that one push issue from several weeks ago and not about what needs to be done now. I don’t want to tell you not to ask it — but I do reserve the right to steer the conversation if it becomes all about the past and not about what needs to be done now, does that make sense? It’s absolutely a legitimate question — but we’re really trying to get the word out on the need to pressure these folks on this because I think it can make a huge political impact both now and leading into 2008 for several of them.

thank you for the response.

what you say makes perfect sense… and i don’t want to derail the conversation (even if it wasn’t such an important one). that’s why i asked you before doing anything… i hope you know i have the hightest respect for your judgment.

i wish moveon had some other kind of feedback mechanism i could use… then i wouldn’t be so conflicted… but they don’t.

hmmmm… maybe if i posted the question at the very end of tom’s visit..?? i don’t know, not sure even that would work…. sigh.

well… i’ll give it some thought and if necessary continue this conversation off line (if you don’t mind)…

Elliott @ 89

TiredFed @ 77

a little OT:

Chairman Waxman informs former White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card that the Oversight Committee will meet on April 25 to consider a subpoena for Mr. Card’s testimony regarding the leak of Valerie Plame Wilson’s covert identity and White House security procedures unless Mr. Card agrees to appear before the Committee voluntarily

oversight.house.gov

maybe Card’ll come over to the light side

Or not: crooksandliars.com

OT – Brian Williams blogs at HuffPo about the VaTech killer media pimping. His mea culpa is being charitably dubbed “disingenuous” by some, but the pushback outrage is high.

Virtually lost in that week’s uproar over the Imus comments, the spokesman at the Duke lacrosse players press conference talked about “out of control” press.

Obviously they learned nothing. Heckuva job, NBC…and your cohorts.

MSM’s got a lot of beam removing to take care of before they be-yotch about blogger motes.

eCAHNomics @ 149

You obviously didn’t see him on The Daily Show (last week?). He still’s on Kool-Ade for breakfast, lunch & dinner.

I did, I should’ve added a winky-smiley at the end!

todo es mas sabrosa con Christy with lots of reverb.
Thanks for the inspiration, I call weekly to that foreign land behind the beltway.

selise @ 151

I completely agree w you that Moveon should have a meaningful mechanism for feedback. It’s unfortunate.

The Spin I’m In is up and Donita is kicking some musical ass today, gang. :) Happy Friday!

Betcha Chimp’s “I didn’t say that” denial behavior used to work with Babs and still works with Laura & The Wives. He’s flummoxed at this Pelosi person who holds him to account. It is absolutely foreign to him.

Nola Sue @ 156

selise @ 151

I completely agree w you that Moveon should have a meaningful mechanism for feedback. It’s unfortunate.

given the size of the membership… it may just be too difficult/expensive.

but somehow, if we want democratic systems to work, we’ve got to figure out better mechanisms… i don’t have the answers – just the questions. *g*

Chetnolian @ 143

Is it just e-mails? Does the Immaculately Conceived List exist in physical form? I realise I should know but I tend to read some of this stuff VERY late (UK time) when my memory is not of the best. If it is in written form I would bet it’s on Word. If it’s on Word then, unless someone’s been very sophisticated,( and they haven’t been have they? then no matter how often it has been changed, the document will still identify when and where it was first created, at least to the level of the machine and probably including the name of the person whose password opened the machine. IANAT (I am not a tecchie) but isn’t that right? Of course a scanned image won’t show this.

During the public hearing didn’t Sampson claim “the list” was in a file in his right hand desk drawer? Or is my memory totally out of whack?

rwcole @ 148

Does anyone know if Clusterfuck has ever been asked whether or not HE approved canning the attorneys? I just can’t remember. If not- I don’t expect any press conferences soon. It should be the number one question asked.

He can’t comment while an investigation is underway.

Elliott @
138

Rayne @ 135

OT — oh damnitall, I was afraid of this.

RIM-Blackberry finally ‘fessing up to the reason for the crash — and I see a word I did NOT want to see in the explanation.

[sigh]

Could have been a black ops, kids.

That was my immediate thought, too!

Whatever sabotage (or collusion) may happen at the Blackberry patch in Canada, I’m delighted that Blackberry is in a foreign nation.

The NSA is authorized to intecept signals crossing into the US over international borders.

Hi Rep Waxman’s staff! (waves)

please subpoena the NSA Blackberry intercepts for Rove and the other WH staff.

gonna hang around here in EPU land for a while. I’m not ready to relax just yet.

hey pups – now that we’re in epu land, would anyone like to know more about the databanks that hold your prescription and medical records…

the databanks Big Insurance and the Feds can search?

Rayne @ 135

OT — oh damnitall, I was afraid of this.

RIM-Blackberry finally ‘fessing up to the reason for the crash — and I see a word I did NOT want to see in the explanation.

[sigh]

Could have been a black ops, kids.

Please explain.

Kirk, I’m interested

From http://thinkprogress.org/ (Post at 8:27 a.m.)

Bush tells Pelosi Syria attacks were State Dept.’s fault.

“House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) told colleagues yesterday that she was incredulous after President Bush pulled her aside at the end of a meeting Wednesday and told her he did not criticize her recent trip to Syria. After all, Bush and other senior administration officials and top Republicans had slammed the speaker publicly for meeting in Damascus with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. But in a private meeting with Democratic lawmakers yesterday, Pelosi said Bush told her in an unsolicited comment that it was actually the State Department that criticized her.”

TeddySanFran @ 39

P J Evans @ 34

At Making Light there’s a comment (from someone with personal experience) that McCain may be in the initial stages of Alzheimer’s.

Certainly I don’t wish that on anyone — but I wish it on America (again!) even less.

One of our neighbors, a well regarded local physician, speculated his concern about McCain being afflicted with symptoms of instability/disassociation in the context of his inexplicable support/escalation of the Iraq war. I asked if it could just be presidential fever and he just shook his head and said he hoped so. It gave me considerable pause then as now.

1. Scott Horton (harpers.org) reports that Tony Blair’s name is being broadly floated in DC & European capitals as Wolfie replacement, despite WB prez being trasitionally U.S.

2. SecDef Gates looks like he’s switched parties:

Gates says US troop numbers will be drawn down failing political progress in Iraq by summer

I’m hangin here too- I don’t know anything about what they talk about on the music thread.

jinny @ 167

From http://thinkprogress.org/ (Post at 8:27 a.m.)

Bush tells Pelosi Syria attacks were State Dept.’s fault.

“House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) told colleagues yesterday that she was incredulous after President Bush pulled her aside at the end of a meeting Wednesday and told her he did not criticize her recent trip to Syria. After all, Bush and other senior administration officials and top Republicans had slammed the speaker publicly for meeting in Damascus with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. But in a private meeting with Democratic lawmakers yesterday, Pelosi said Bush told her in an unsolicited comment that it was actually the State Department that criticized her.”

That is really bizarre.

Bush tells Pelosi that he didn’t criticize her trip to Syria- after publicly criticizing her trip to Syria…RARO—He’s losin it- I mean he’s REALLY losing it.

Don’t be surprised to see his public appearances gettin cut short.

Maybe Bush was talking to his “estranged” wife during his Ohio breakdown. His complete ramble was strange but especially strange to hear him in such a public forum discuss Miz Laura being patient with him.

A different time with different players, but someone who knew said the FBI and media were mum about the Kennedy escapades they witnessed. I think I’m glad about the silence.

Question: There was a comment that Republicans can only put a 72 hour hold on a bill while Democrats can prolong it. Anyone have any information on that?

This was said by someone in one of the twelve offices called this morning.

“Gates says US troop numbers will be drawn down failing political progress in Iraq by summer”

Wasn’t that ALWAYS the plan- a temporary build up- a SURGE that will win the war….This ain’t new.

newspaperbrat @ 168

One of our neighbors, a well regarded local physician, speculated his concern about McCain being afflicted with symptoms of instability/disassociation in the context of his inexplicable support/escalation of the Iraq war. I asked if it could just be presidential fever and he just shook his head and said he hoped so. It gave me considerable pause then as now.

sometimes I wonder if he’s taking Wellbutrin or something. I’ve seen that make a couple people act as kooky as McCain’s acting. Of course, maybe it is a dementia.

With Alzheimer’s there’s sundowning, don’t suppose anyone knows if he’s weirder at the end of the day than in the beginning?

A long term thiamine deficiency can cause dementia when the person gets older (often seen in alcoholics)and he surely was not well nourished all those years he was a guest at the Hanoi Hilton. Or maybe his brain arteries are hardening?

Sally @ 173

Maybe Bush was talking to his “estranged” wife during his Ohio breakdown. His complete ramble was strange but especially strange to hear him in such a public forum discuss Miz Laura being patient with him.

A different time with different players, but someone who knew said the FBI and media were mum about the Kennedy escapades they witnessed. I think I’m glad about the silence.

The President who astounds me the most is FDR. That Whitehouse was a circus.

LS @ 171

jinny @ 167

From http://thinkprogress.org/ (Post at 8:27 a.m.)

Bush tells Pelosi Syria attacks were State Dept.’s fault.

“House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) told colleagues yesterday that she was incredulous after President Bush pulled her aside at the end of a meeting Wednesday and told her he did not criticize her recent trip to Syria. After all, Bush and other senior administration officials and top Republicans had slammed the speaker publicly for meeting in Damascus with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. But in a private meeting with Democratic lawmakers yesterday, Pelosi said Bush told her in an unsolicited comment that it was actually the State Department that criticized her.”

That is really bizarre.

yeah, I thought he was supposed to be the boss of the executive branch.

If the Bushi are not gettin along- the place is big enough to take up separate quarters without moving…Can’t believe that she’d actually go to a hotel- where word would be very likely to leak out. Better to plan a long trip somewhere- or go work on a remodel of the pig farm.

Boston1775 @ 166

Kirk, I’m interested

moi aussi

Hi Boston1775 and Tired Fed!

(TiredFed, so glad your son is home safely…)

Here’s a summary of a longer (!) comment some threads up….

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Who has your prescription / medical data?

Who do they sell it to?

Six huge issues here:

(1) Big Pharma buy your RX records from Big Pharmacy.

(2) How do I know? Big Pharma is repeatedly busted for bribing docs to overprescribe their megacorps’ wonder drug(s) of the year. Big Pharma monitors your prescriptions already – that’s how they know the bribed docs are living down to their end.

(3) Big Pharma / Big Pharmacy / Big Insurance have come together in various combinations to own most of the pharmaceutical distribution channnels. This centralization allows tracking of meds from manufacturer to patient.

And big healthcare keep your data.

(4) Big Insurance megacorps share all of our health records with each other.

HIPPA my ass.

Their “Interinsurer Data Bank” (IIRC) is Big Insurance’ clearing house for swapping all of our health care histories and data around the insurance companies.

5) IIRC, HIPAA has backdoors for law enforcement to grab your health records anyway….

6) Every person I know who understands this gets all of their mental health care out of pocket if they can possibly afford it.

Especially if they’d like to run for office some day.

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nerd notes:

The FDA oversees all medications, prescription and over-the-counter (OTC).

The DEA does not oversee all drugs. DEA only controls the drugs/substances DEA declares as having “abuse potential”.

The DEA divides the drugs with “abuse potential” in five schedules: I to V

The DEA always required “triplicates” for drugs in Schedule II (and III ? if IIRC).

Common but addictive benzodiazapines (val**m and cousins) and other “sedating” RX drugs could be prescribed (from Schedule IV) without a record going to the Feds.

New DEA laws do away with the triplicates, but now demand special tamper-proof RX forms for “controlled substances” (the ring : Schedules II-V).

And the Feds now track all the benzodiazapines and (scheduled) sedative/hypnotics.

However, antidepressant and antipsychotics aren’t “scheduled” drugs under DEA scrutiny.

The whole main cluster of regular ‘ol (non-”scheduled”) RX drugs is regulated by the FDA, and the FDA simply requires regular old prescriptions with no Federal record [in so far as I am aware].

Commercial data mining, however, allows the Feds to come to the server trough and root through our health and medication records along with Big Pharma and Big Insurance.

So although I do not have any reason to believe Federal agencies directly record all “non-scheduled” RX drugs prescribed, I do believe the commercial data mines allow law enforcement to do so as soon as our health info goes into the Interinsurer Data Banks.

I wonder who will be the Doris Kearns Goodwin of this president.

newspaperbrat @
168

TeddySanFran @ 39

P J Evans @ 34

At Making Light there’s a comment (from someone with personal experience) that McCain may be in the initial stages of Alzheimer’s.

Certainly I don’t wish that on anyone — but I wish it on America (again!) even less.

One of our neighbors, a well regarded local physician, speculated his concern about McCain being afflicted with symptoms of instability/disassociation in the context of his inexplicable support/escalation of the Iraq war. I asked if it could just be presidential fever and he just shook his head and said he hoped so. It gave me considerable pause then as now.

I think your neighbor is correct. As someone who has been involved with the caregiving of an Altzheimers suffering over a period of years I have thought for some time that McCain has the symptons. There’s a certain look about the face of Altzheimers sufferers which some in the medical profession call a “flat affect” and McCain has that. He’s also very testy and prone to flashes of anger.

Boston1775 @ 182

I wonder who will be the Doris Kearns Goodwin of this president.

perhaps you, 1775?

The official presidential historian?

Probably Karen Hughes.

It has to be someone who Clusterfuck trusts and who is willng to spend hundreds of hours with him listening to his asshole stories. She fits the bill.

Boston 1775 @ 177, yes, Clinton could have said that FDR, Ike, Bush 41, and Kennedy did it, too. I must have missed someone in the line-up. Men will be men. (Ducking)

rwcole @ 172

Bush tells Pelosi that he didn’t criticize her trip to Syria- after publicly criticizing her trip to Syria…RARO—He’s losin it- I mean he’s REALLY losing it.

Don’t be surprised to see his public appearances gettin cut short.

This is Pelosi telling his handlers “I’m not keeping the secret any more”

McCain with dementia? Could be- on the other hand- he’s never been very bright- and maybe people are just learning that.

Sally @ 173

Maybe Bush was talking to his “estranged” wife during his Ohio breakdown. His complete ramble was strange but especially strange to hear him in such a public forum discuss Miz Laura being patient with him.

A different time with different players, but someone who knew said the FBI and media were mum about the Kennedy escapades they witnessed. I think I’m glad about the silence.

Every time he talks about “the rug” I think he’s trying to get through to Laura. Betcha she’s stopped speaking to him again, and listening too. So he goes public with a tender moment, when he asked her to get him a new rug. Perhaps there have been some marital activities on the new rug that only he and she know about….

Seems to me that there are pretty concrete examples of mental dysfunction in GW..could be entering an interesting phase in American History.

kirk murphy—

I have heard that long lines across posts like this

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can cause problems for the margins, for your information.

Boston1775 @ 177

Sally @ 173

Maybe Bush was talking to his “estranged” wife during his Ohio breakdown. His complete ramble was strange but especially strange to hear him in such a public forum discuss Miz Laura being patient with him.

A different time with different players, but someone who knew said the FBI and media were mum about the Kennedy escapades they witnessed. I think I’m glad about the silence.

The President who astounds me the most is FDR. That Whitehouse was a circus.

FDR was an intellect. and he played his cabinet like it was a piano.

wow – thanks egregious.

sorry about that, mods.

He’s very proud of his rug..Thought the story was that HE picked it out. He’s been showing it to every visitor to the Oval Office since he set up shop there.. Fuckin weird!!

Teddy @ 189, if only that rug could talk. Or not?

FDR an intellect? Seems that I have heard contrary views.

just going over yesterday (quite a day wasnt it?). saw this early exchange and it struck me that this is how we are trained to deal with Congress; never volunteer info, give only a minimal answer to the precise question, not anything more. Leahy (and others) did very well to ask very specific questions about Rove. Keep it up guys. Next week ought to be fun.

226 carolyn urban says:

April 19th, 2007 at 7:06 am

Leahy: so when did Iglesias get put on the list?

Gonzo, not sure – I believe, btwn oct 17 and nov 15.

Leahy: uh huh. So you don’t know when?

Gonzo stutter.

Leahy: do you know why he was added?

Gonzo, I heard concerns from Domenici?

Leahy and who else?

Silence.

Leahy: Karl Rove?

Gonzo: I heard concerns form mr. Rove

Boston1775 @ 182

I wonder who will be the Doris Kearns Goodwin of this president.

Harriet Miers?
(sp?)

rwcole @ 179

If the Bushi are not gettin along- the place is big enough to take up separate quarters without moving…Can’t believe that she’d actually go to a hotel- where word would be very likely to leak out. Better to plan a long trip somewhere- or go work on a remodel of the pig farm.

These rumors have been floating around the tubes for quite some time and who could blame Laura if they are true. Where is Jeff Gannon when inquiring minds really want to know the true secrets of Shrub and Rover’s west wingnut occupation? Just sayin’ it would be oh so more interesting than Alec Baldwin’s leaked angry telephone message the MSM is obsessed with on our public airways today.

Boston1775 @ 182

I wonder who will be the Doris Kearns Goodwin of this president.

Why that would be Harriet Myers/Meyers, the noted former WH adviser don’t cha tink?

I think this is the Legal Times ref in Schumer’s presser after morning AGAG testimony. Very interesting stuff.
http://www.law.com/jsp/dc/PubA…..toriesMore

Elliot, I love to keep history in mind. I think that sorting through this presidency is going to take a team bigger than ever before.

So much is compromised from the start.

Sally, I do wonder why more wasn’t made of other Whitehouses.

Isn’t Karen Hughes busy winning the hearts and minds of the Iraquis? Come to think of it, didn’t Bush say today that a woman in a bombed neighborhood thanked the Americans for being there, wanted the Americans there?

Eventually we are going to learn the whole Gonzo story..

Why did General Crisco Oil leave the Attorney General’s job in the first place? What was he being asked to do that he refused to do ?(Ashcroft)..

What were the primary reasons for pickin Gonzo? Over the years he had shown the willingness to do ANYTHING he was told to do- no matter how creepy or illegal. So this is not a side story in the career of Alberto Gonzalez- it is a summary of his career.

The administration knew that with Gonzo in charge- they could get ANYTHING they wanted out of Justice- no opposition to illegal wiretaps, full compliance with turning the DOJ into an arm of the RNC- etc.

They sure as hell didn’t pick him for his management ability- he has none.

Gonzo should go to a nunnery. He is a disgrace.

Gonzales was sensitive about all the stories that he had lengthy preparations for his appearance yesterday. He was so anxious to hit back with “I always prepare” that he said it to the wrong guy and Specter held it against him to the bitter end. (Two egos in full view.) Wish we had had more of those moments when the AG let his prepped guard down.

rwcole @ 169

I’m hangin here too- I don’t know anything about what they talk about on the music thread.

I don’t want to discourage this thread, but I always check it out. It surprises me sometimes to see what the music thread brings in . . . like this story from the UK’s Daily Mail:

With a combined age of more than 3,000 years, they are not the most obvious rock ‘n’ rollers.

But these pensioners are causing a big s-s-sensation.

Brought together for a TV documentary, they have attracted a cult following after recording a version of The Who’s My Generation and are destined for chart stardom.

The group, who are 40 in number and call themselves The Zimmers, pulled in an audience of 20,000 within a couple days of posting their video on the websites YouTube and MySpace.

It’s a golden oldie conversation, and there’s a link to that Youtube at the top of the thread.

rwcole @ 202

Gonzo should go to a nunnery. He is a disgrace.

Perhaps he did. Didn’t see him out spinning this morning with Today, GMA, or the other AM shows.

Boston1775 @ 202

Elliot, I love to keep history in mind. I think that sorting through this presidency is going to take a team bigger than ever before.

So much is compromised from the start.

Sally, I do wonder why more wasn’t made of other Whitehouses.

Isn’t Karen Hughes busy winning the hearts and minds of the Iraquis? Come to think of it, didn’t Bush say today that a woman in a bombed neighborhood thanked the Americans for being there, wanted the Americans there?

can tell your love of history by your handle (screen name?). just finished David Hacket Fischer books on Paul Revere (5 stars) and Washington’s Crossing (3 1/2 stars). working thru one on Tom Paine (a bit dry but worth the effort). very glad to see a fellow patriot on these threads.

Kirk,
Do you know anyway of preserving our privacy?

Peterr

Havin to show his face at the office was probably a humiliation he couldn’t handle. He may have jumped into bed- assumed the prenatal position, and turned the electric blanket up to nine.

rwcole @ 208

Peterr

Havin to show his face at the office was probably a humiliation he couldn’t handle. He may have jumped into bed- assumed the prenatal position, and turned the electric blanket up to nine.

Or perhaps he took some comp time and made this into a long weekend — you know, since he had to work through the Easter break and all.

Not remembering is hard work.

Gooper operatives are undoubtedly calling every loyal gooper lawfirm in the nation to find one who will take Gonzo for a big pile of cash.

On the subject of Sunlight (A Lone Republican in the Sunshine)

now there are seven left who haven’t answered the question
Sunlight Foundation

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/042007H.shtml

“Of the 414 Iraq stories broadcast on NBC, ABC and CBS nightly news in the six months before the war, almost all could be traced back to sources solely in the White House, Pentagon or State Dept., Moyers tells Russert, who offers no coherent reply.”

Clusterfuck could always hire Gonzo for the job of setting up the Clusterfuck library- he and Harriet could work together again!

rwcole @ 211

Gooper operatives are undoubtedly calling every loyal gooper lawfirm in the nation to find one who will take Gonzo for a big pile of cash.

he could always get a job at Pepperdine U

TiredFed,

I envy you. I’m sure you know much more than I. But it’s the little I do know that is keeping me from losing it. This website is a part of the revolution needed to release the death grip of these perverted people.

Taxation without representation? This administration has set that up for my kid’s kids.

Elliott @ 212

On the subject of Sunlight (A Lone Republican in the Sunshine)

now there are seven left who haven’t answered the question
Sunlight Foundation

I posted my responses here. I got some definite answers.

Boston1775 @ 216

TiredFed,

I envy you. I’m sure you know much more than I. But it’s the little I do know that is keeping me from losing it. This website is a part of the revolution needed to release the death grip of these perverted people.

Taxation without representation? This administration has set that up for my kid’s kids.

agree completely about FDL. this is the place to be, see it happen and contribute like no other place I’ve seen. reading through history helps me remember that even odder things have happened before (though maybe not with the risks we live with today – one could argue that we are greater risk now than during the cold war).

One of the long term lessons of the Clusterfuck administration is the ease with which voters can be manipulated..We all knew it was possible- we had no idea that it was so easy- or that such cretins could do it.

here’s an omen for ya: last night while family and friends gathered at my house (my son and his girlfriend came home from Va Tech for a few days thank goodness), we were so busy talking and catching up that I burned the Texas Toast (I kid you not).

TiredFed @
218

Boston1775 @ 216

TiredFed,

I envy you. I’m sure you know much more than I. But it’s the little I do know that is keeping me from losing it. This website is a part of the revolution needed to release the death grip of these perverted people.

Taxation without representation? This administration has set that up for my kid’s kids.

agree completely about FDL. this is the place to be, see it happen and contribute like no other place I’ve seen. reading through history helps me remember that even odder things have happened before (though maybe not with the risks we live with today – one could argue that we are greater risk now than during the cold war).

I know that I find myself thinking that. We have finally found out what the German people went through. How could they let it happen? They must have been evil as well. How could they take care of their families while others were dying? I get sick about it. Then is now and we are they.

Why do psychologists prefer to use Bushies rather than rats in experiments?

There are some things rats won’t do!

good analogy, us and germans in Nazi Germany. but we’re not silent. we can tell someone. just keep telling everyone you know, even the ones you don’t think will listen. do it with a reasonable voice, reasonable language. but this has got to end. too much time left for them to do even more damage to this country and our standing in the world. this could even embolden the Chinese. my son was worried they might see this as an opportunity to take back Taiwan.

rwcole @ 222

Why do psychologists prefer to use Bushies rather than rats in experiments?

There are some things rats won’t do!

then I have a couple of experiments I’ve always wanted to try.

Boston1775 @ 221

. Then is now and we are they.

This is so obvious to me, I just don’t understand why everyone doesn’t see it.

Boston1775 -

For those fortunate enough .. pay for all outpatient mental health services in cash (with physicians who have ample samples).

For those without means/health coverage….many non-profit clinics treat patients and never know the patient has provided a “false*” name/identity.

[….for people who can afford their own care or have health coverage, don’t go to the non-profits just to hide identity - stealing health care from the poor is very bad karma.]

some people barter with physicians, local pharmacists, local med labs (in rural areas, esp).

people who use Medicare, Medi-cal, and private health insurers have their data stored every time they use their benefits. Inescapable.

The same megacorps that own Big Insurance own Big Finance.

Big Finance has pulled lines of credit from people with depression.

Only posible protection:

(1) All Americans get equal health insurance regardless of history. One price for all. “Pre-existing” conditions no longer matter in this system.

(2) Federal criminal law prohibits use of medical data for any non-medical commercial purpose (explicitly including banking/ auto insurance).

One Congress. Two laws. One veto override. How many months?

(*..medical ethics compel me to observe that honsety in the physician-patient relationship is of paramount importance. as the purpose of the relationship is the patients’ well-being, mere survival may lead a person to be less accurate in providing their identity than those ethics would prefer.)

I’m going to cry.
I have an old greenhouse with radishes and mesculin coming up. A tiny farm. It saves me.

DOW up 125! The market likes the gonzo hearings!

Thanks rw!

Boston1775, I hope your greenhouse brings you joy today!

that sounds lovely…

Thanks Kirk,
I heading out there now. I am pondering everything you’ve written. I’m thinking most about my son who got into some trouble on high school graduation week that landed him in court. He went to therapy. We used our insurance.

For his sake, sounds like it might be nice not to start a history.

TiredFed @ 223

good analogy, us and germans in Nazi Germany. but we’re not silent. we can tell someone. just keep telling everyone you know, even the ones you don’t think will listen. do it with a reasonable voice, reasonable language. but this has got to end. too much time left for them to do even more damage to this country and our standing in the world. this could even embolden the Chinese. my son was worried they might see this as an opportunity to take back Taiwan.

You’ve said it best. See you all later. This was a wonderful talk.