Harry Reid on March 27, 2007:
"In this chamber is Joe Lieberman and there isn't a senator I have more respect for than Joe Lieberman."
Today in the Hartford Courant:
Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman rebuked Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid on Friday, saying he strongly disagreed with Reid's assessment that the Iraq war is "lost."
"This is exactly the wrong time to question our strategy in Iraq," said Lieberman, "or that our new strategy has failed."
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Republicans immediately tore into Reid, and Friday, Lieberman, an independent who caucuses with Senate Democrats, joined the chorus.
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"Sen. Reid's statement is not based on military facts on the ground in Iraq and does not advance our cause there."
Harry Reid today:
In an effort to shift attention from this Administration’s failed polities – and I say that in the plural – the President and his allies have repeatedly questioned whether I and my fellow Democrats support our troops. No one wants us to succeed in Iraq more than the Democrats. We’ve proven that time and time again since this war started more than four years ago. We take a back seat to no one in supporting our troops, and we will never abandon our troops in a time of war."
Which allies do you mean, Harry? Maybe the Chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, who does the bidding of the Republicans who got him elected every time he keeps the committee from looking into those things that his counterpart in the House, Henry Waxman, is investigating?
Maybe someone should tell you the one about the snake, Harry.
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Fitz!
Loyalty goes only one way with Lieberman.
zed?
Jane!
My contempt for Lieberman knows no bounds. I wish Harry would strip him of that chairmanship. I know, they did it by name…still I can wish.
And I still want to know what he did with the $400,000
Let the pubs and the pubs in jowels-as-clothing tear into Reid for his statement all they like. It just keeps reinforcing for the public which side has a realistic view of the situation and which side is still trying to clap louder.
Since Senator Reid dared speak the truth, the war (occupation) in Iraq is lost, the Neocons immediately said he has turned his back on the troops. I say no. The Neocons (formerly republicans) have instead, turned their backs on the truth. Of course, they have never been interested in the truth anyway.
Do we need any more proof that Lieberman is a repub ???
Well, he can’t say he wasn’t warned.
BUTTERCHEEKS!!
Life is tough. There was a lot of heavy Democratic money behind Lieberman as well as heavy Rethug money. Whether Lamont would have won with more Senate support is doubtful, given the massive influx of rethug votes. Reid had to make a choice, and he took the risk-minimizing choice. The result is that we have Leahy, Shumer and Whitehouse pummelling the administration every chance they get. Waxman does double duty for Lieberman. I’m surprised Lieberman hasn’t tried to get immunity for all the crooks that got him elected. I guess it’s too soon.
As to Iraq, he’ll just have to get used to the big D. The American people apparently have accepted it.
OT. I’m not sure why this made me laugh, but here are the two top emailed stories now at the New York Times:
1. Pill That Eliminates the Period Gets Mixed Reviews
2. But What if You Get Hit by a Taxi?
The high quality work Big Hank Waxman is doing will really show up Holy Joe for the fraud he is.
Go Hank!
How’s that respect going for you now Harry? You could have supported Ned and saved all this heartburn. Personally, I think Harry screwed up. Once Harry saw the election results, he should have told Joe to pound sand. Looking at the ‘08 map, did Harry really think HoJo would defect only to rally be in the wilderness in ‘09 and after? I don’t like rehashing this, but Harry made his bed and now has to sleep in it.
Hi TRex. What radio show do you do? Is it streamed?
“Sen. Reid’s statement is not based on military facts on the ground in Iraq…”
Always glad to hear from General Lieberman on his astute assessment of the military situation. General Joe…why don’t you GO…go to Iraq and support our cause. Bring your wife and kids as well. We’re winning, right? What did you say, Joe? Oh, I see. That sound I heard was your ass puckering at the thought of picking up a rifle and dodging bullets.
Please go away, General Joe Benedict Arnold Lieberman.
Ghostman
Unlikely to occur, but I like the scenario where Domenici has to resign (due to USA-gate), to be replaced by a Democrat appointed by the Dem. NM gov. In the blink of an eye HoJo sleeps with fishes, politically speaking.
…’cuz I got a little problem with this contemptible little f*ck from CT.
(edited from AZ to NM)
I have a dream — that Pete Domenici will have to step down for his role in firing Iglesias, and then Bill Richardson appoints a Dem Senator, and then Harry and other Dems can tell Joe where to go
Whether Lamont would have won with more Senate support is doubtful, given the massive influx of rethug votes.
I’ve never understood this line of thinking. Would Schlesinger have won? If Lamont had no interference from the dem leaders running to support Joe (not to mention if they had actually, you know, supported him because he, um, did win the primary of the party) I think he would’ve had an excellent chance of winning.
I’m not trying to be confrontational but am I missing something in this determination that Lamont would have lost? To who??? Thanks.
Knut Wicksell @ 11
Look at who the CT Repubs had run against HoJo and Ned. But once Lamont won the primary, if all the big guns had gotten behind Lamont, he would have won. Harry and the rest of them made a bet and pushed. I wonder what harry thinks of it now. Someone should ask him what he’d do if he had to do it all over again.
Punaise – you and I posted the same thought at the same time, except it is Richardson of NM who will save us with a Dem appointee
bdu @ 6
AGREED!!
As bad as things look for Bush, it just seems you’re going to have to pry this war from their cold dead hands. They must be utterly, politically tone deaf. Either that, or they know something we don’t know. Like maybe: “Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran”
I’m guessing Joe was lip synching that while McCain was singing.
By October we should be down ta the nut cuttin in Iraq- and one of these Senators can apologize to the other for being flat assed wrong.
punaise @ 17
Surely you mean the Dem NM gov?
And then maybe we can nail the figurative hides of Cunningham and Renzi to the wall as decorations.
And my contempt for Lieberman is such that words fail me. I blame Boxer too.
In a counter-insurgency, the prize is the people. That is straight out of Petreaus’(SP?)
playbook. There is no way in the world we will ever win over the Iraqi population. Ergo, the war is lost! Read Tom Ricks’ Fiasco, if you haven’t yet. It is a real eye opener.
Texas Betsy @ 15
Go here with a non-Mozilla browser.
http://wuga.org
Click ‘Listen Online’ and it will open in iTunes.
I host a two-hour classical music show each Monday through Thursday from ten pm to midnight eastern time. I also do the weather and PSA’s and stuff during All Things Considered from five to seven pm on weekdays.
We’ve been in Iraq for four years- I’d say that five is about the limit- we did the Nam for ten- but that was before we knew about the Nam.
I just think if the DLC contingent had cut off Joe when he lost the primary we’d have Senator Lamont up on the Hill right now. The republican voters in CT were energized to a degree in the midst of the confusion and I think a lot of them would’ve just stayed home on election day. That’s my take on it.
Mae @ 18
Hey, I like that! Good thinkin, there!
I don’t think Harry is losing any sleep over what HoJo is doing or not doing. Harry and Hillary and Chuck and the rest of them knew damned well what they were doing to help Liarman get reelected.
So how is the CT press treating Liarman these days? Are any of the papers voicing any regret over rolling for Joe? Jane, you’re living there now. What are you seeing?
If it were not for Leahy, Waxman, Conyers and a few others, I’d write most of them off anyway. We have a long way to go to get a congress with any kind of real progressive values. I may not live to see the day.
I don’t lose any sleep over Lieberman. He’s become the one dimensional man. Once this fuckin war is over- so is he. No way he survives the death of his pet project.
Knut Wicksell @ 11
Some people tried to tell these idiots that going into Iraq was a no-win scenario from the get-go. Since we knew it was going to be a fiasco, defeat doesn’t even figure into the equation. Even the Republic party can’t define what victory would look like.
What hurts is the number of people killed, the wrecking of our government and our military, the rape of the Constitution, and the spendthrift behaviour of the Bush Maladministration. We’ll be paying for this for generations. GWB’s delusions of grandeur have an awful cost — and not all of that is money.
Jenny from the Blog @ 28
We really don’t have much to thank the DLC for. They may be the glamour puss Dem organization, but Dean does the grunt work and then gets no credit for trying to put the power back into grassroots.
Is there anything the DLC has done that can be construed as positive, that is, for average schmucks like us?
JFTB
Long time no see! Good to see your nom de blog here again.
Israeli General, Oded Tira, “We must turn to Hillary Clinton … for support to attack Iran.”
Lieberman won- we don’t like it- but all the monday morning quarterbacking and what iffing in the world won’t change it. In six years we get another chance.
NEW HAVEN, Conn. (AP) — A Hamden man who worked at a political polling company has been sentenced to five months in federal prison in a fraud case.
Forty-three-year-old Darryl Hylton had been accused of making up poll results. He was an employee of Guilford-based DataUSA, a company that conducted campaign polls for President Bush, Senator Joe Lieberman and other political candidates
http://wcbs880.com/pages/37290…..tId=427769
rwcole @ 36
In six years CT gets another chance. They made a choice and we all have to live with it.
A brief message to Shortride;
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Cozumel @ 37
I am SHOCKED! SHocked I tell you!
P J Evans @ 24
yes, Mae got it right – I had a little geography hiccup:
(edited from AZ to NM)
( ( ( ( REV DEB ) ) ) )
Please let me know when you come west again and give your mom and big hello from me. Does everyone know that Deb’s mom looks like Lauren Bacall? It’s true. :)
Polls done FOR a candidate are often scewed deliberately. That’s why no experienced political people ever pay a bit of attention to em.
I’m sorry to be off topic here, but is there anything in the whole country that this crowd of criminals hasn’t ruined?
“WASHINGTON –A federal investigator looking into allegations of conflict of interest and mismanagement in a $1 billion-a-year Education Department reading program said Friday he has made criminal referrals to the Justice Department.”
http://www.boston.com/news/nat…..ing_probe/
Just arrived. Maybe it would ease things by refering to the Iraq occupation as the American Reign of Terror in Iraq, bring the troups out NOW. No More Insanity, No More Bad Kharma
RevDeb @
30
I would wager that the New Haven Register is just pleased as punch at HoJo and his antics. The Courant probably not so much.
er, Lauren Bacall 20 years ago. *g*.
plainjane @
44
Is that program related to (I think) Neil Bush’s company? The one that ol’ Babs specified that her “Katrina” donation was to go to?
Jenny,
Coming to Portland in June, but other than that, no trips to LA planned any time soon. By the way, we found what I hear is a GREAT chocolate place in Santa Monica. My mom brought some to Jane in the hospital last Dec. Next time I come out there we’ll have to go and check it out.
plainjane @
44
Wow. Next post…
Deb, it’s a date!
RevDeb @ 49
Mmmm. Chocolate.
Jenny from the Blog @ 47
Very flattering, but mom is 81 and I wouldn’t quite describe her as you have.
plainjane @ 44
News of more malfeasance in the current Maladministration is never OT as far as I’m concerned. And wouldn’t you know, I think there’s even a Bush family connection in this one…
Reminder #425 of why we need to completely ignore the DSCC, the DLC and any other incumbency-protection racket in ‘08. I don’t care if they’re Dems or not – if they can’t lead, get them the fuck out of office. That goes for Madame Clinton as well.
Mandrake @
29
Yes!! But then Lieberman gets on the McCain/Lieberman ticket (which is the only thing worse than the McCain/Jeb Bush ticket, um, I think; on second thought, both ideas turn my stomach pretty much equally) and gets the top prize when McCain is sent home with the Reagan disease.
plainjane @ 44
Yes.
(Most of we the people).
The programs, policies, and regulations which once protected us?
Toast.
plainjane @
44
Reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw.
No Child Left a Dime.
Jane Hamsher @ 50
I wonder if the other Bush brother has any link to this. I vaguely remember him having something to do with educational software that Babs the mom “donated” money to pay for it for poor schools so she could both help the Bushkid and get a whopping big tax deduction.
Wouldn’t it be fun if there was a connection? But then again, the investigation would never have gone anywhere in this DOJ if there was.
punaise @ 17
Domenici is hypersensitive to needling & criticism. If it is true that the nightshades are being drawn on him (PJs in the office & all that), I think a concentrated verbal effort could send him into the twilight zone. Don’t know anyone who could effect this plan, though.
This was EPUd from the previous thread
We should try to get Them All to stop saying “War!” We are not at war, no matter how many fire fights the boys get into, we are Occupying Iraq, just like any other good little colonizer! The WAR was over when the Iraqi army was defeated Saddam had run, the statues down, and the Bremer boys sitting there saying “We’re in charge!”one, Bush, being a complete idiot, has chosen to occupy a country in which there is No One who wants him which means his Occupation will never succeed.
H Reid’s statement would have been a lot tougher if he had said as nicely as he could, “Listen Dufus, the WAR was over when you said ‘Mission Accomplished! You were right! Now, you pathetic Dickhead, you’ve lost the Occupation!”
GSD was saying Turkey might invade Kurdistan, whereas Bush is too greedy and stupid to cosy up to the Turks and offering them the whole shooting match, Shi’as, sunnis and Kurds. It would be difficult for Turkey to invade Kurdistan because both the Kurds and the Turks are quite pally with our Other Colony (Economic Division), Israel.
Surely the US has to defend against a foreign incursion into Kurdistan doesn’t it?
dakine01 @ 48
Oh, please, let it be so…
OT, but a friend is asking what “crimes” Gonzo is covering for. And I realized I don’t know the specific laws against WH fuckery of the DOJ. Can someone help me out?
ps: waving hi — this is my first post here (but I’ve been faithfully lurking and donating for the past few months).
MNVirginia @ 56
Yeah, but the problem is he gets sent home before that happens. (Talking to a GOoPer this morning, self-described as ‘moderate’, says he’d vote for Rudy. Has no clue what Rudy is actually like … but thinks ‘Hillary is a crook’ because of Whitewater.)
Texas Betsy @ 40
Well it’s good that the President doesn’t believe in the polls…oh wait, he doesn’t believe in the polls done by LEGITIMATE polling groups because “polls are contradictory… we’ve seen different numbers.”
what a rip-off
I followed the link to hear the old Oscar Brown Jr tune. :(
only got a watered down translation.
He also doesn’t believe in the most important polls of all, the VOTE, since he and his enablers have done all in their power to negate the voting laws and subvert democracy.
P J Evans @
64
I like your idea better than mine (send McCain home now). Oh dear, Whitewater? Poor soul doesn’t have a clue. Would he be OK with Gore?
BINGO!!
http://aggravated.blogspot.com…..it-is.html
Harry Reid frustrates me often, but his bull-dog tenacity keeps coming through.
It’s like watching a guy doing parkour in a viper pit while wearing leg irons. He’s got his limitations but he keeps heading in the right direction.
eyes of the world @ 63
Obstruction of Justice, Attempting to Subvert Federal Investigations, Lying to Congress Under Oath, Violations of the Presidential Records Acts and Gods only knows how many other crimes.
Sorry for the zig :{
Phule @ 71
Mendacious Douchebaggery
welcome eyes of the world!
good to see you
One very big crime was the Total Surveillance Plan (IIRC)
Hundreds (perhaps thousands) of criminal violations of Federal criminal law.
All felonies.
Bush owns the TSP.
All those TSP crimes?
They were ordered by Club Bush
Bush keeps trying a retroactive amnesty through FISA “reform”.
Sure.
Kept tying it to all manner of must-pass legislative vehicles in the gooper Congress.
Now the only way Bush’s
get-out-of-FISA-jailFISA “reform” bill will get to Congress is if Barney carries it there.cfeddy @
5
Maybe he’ll use it to get a chin installed.
When Joe Lie Ber Man goes to temple tonight he needs to talk to his Rabbi about getting a circumcison done on him, only this time he gets circumcised from the ears up to make him even more the perfect prick that he is.
Even teh thirty percenters will get this one.
Game over.
Phule @ 71
Except, are these not the kinds of crimes you commit to cover up/avoid consequences for something else? One or more Really Serious something elses. Otherwise why bother.
eCAHNomics @ 60
Unh, unh, never happen. Domenici isn’t going to respond to it. At the worst, he’ll take his slap on the wrist from the ethics committee and keep right on going. He’ll never voluntarily resign.
That’s my guess.
Bustednuckles @ 73
I’m sitting here laughing my head off, and my cats are looking at me like I’m crazy Remember the old SNL skit about Lord Douchebag?
Kirk 77, Here’s more on the Neil Bush program, I think it is British:
Link
Oh, this could do it. This is the sort of crime everyone can understand – and anyone who has kids will be right pissed off.
[Mod Note; Please only nest 2 or 3 quotes at a maximum. Any more may break the margins. Thank You.]
gettin’ jiggy with the ziggy: zig alert
eyes of the world @ 63
Greetings, friend-yet-unknown, one of the major crimes was firing 8 US Attorneys, some of whom were investigating various corrupt activities in which Republicans were participating. It’s called “obstructing justice” which is something you’re not supposed to do if you’re head of the Justice Department.
I especially love the Sun-Myung Moon/Bush family connection with this program – you can’t make this up. Being an ex-dirty hippie, the Moonies really scare me:
http://www.democrats.com/node/8331
eyes of the world @
63
1. Perjury
2. Obstruction of Justice
3. Making a false statement
Basically, I think the same charges that Libby was convicted of.
Bob in HI
This corruption is working out quite well for my family.
-Barbara Bush
Brisingamen @ 54
I was thinking the same thing. I believe Neil Bush is the head of a company that supplies software for this program? I do not have a link.
“Reading First” is tied in with some BIG Republican donors
“As a result of favoritism and conflicts of interest, the IG found, states were pressured to approve materials from only a handful of preferred publishers. Virtually all others were excluded from participating in the Reading First program, which has provided $4.8 billion in grants to states and school districts since 2002.
Rep. George Miller (D-Calif), the ranking Democrat on the House Education and Workforce Committee, charged that Reading First officials had “wasted taxpayer dollars on an inferior reading curriculum for kids that was developed by a company headed by a Bush friend and campaign contributor. Instead of putting children first, they chose to put their cronies first.” Miller asked the Justice Department to initiate a criminal investigation.
One beneficiary of Reading First has been SRA/McGraw-Hill, whose CEO, Harold McGraw, has been a major donor and fundraiser for Republican candidates, including George W. Bush. Another is Voyager Learning, headed until 2004 by Randy Best, a “Bush Pioneer” from Dallas who raised more than $100,000 for the Bush-Cheney ticket.
The IG report quoted extensively from emails by Chris Dougherty, director of Reading First, who made no effort to conceal his biases. In advising his staff to reject the application of one publisher, he wrote: “They are trying to crash our party and we need to beat the [expletive deleted] out of them in front of all the other would-be party crashers who are standing on the front lawn waiting to see how we welcome these dirtbags.”
In another message to Bush’s “Reading Czar,” Reid Lyon, Dougherty gloated about having “beaten Maine” –that is, forcing the state of Maine to switch to a favored publisher. “I like your style,” Lyon replied.”
Niel Bush’s software company is called “Insight!” and most of the money investeed in that came from Rev. Sun Myung Moon, via the Washington Times. I think I heard that Reading First outsourced a lot of their curriculum to Insight!
Nice Joe You Got There, Harry
Double-cross Joe, an albatross around the neck…
No wonder Bush was so “strange”…one of Beezelbubra Bush’s other spawn is in trouble.
GSD @ 87
Corruption has long been the Bush family business.
Mandrake @ 33: Howard Dean heads the DNC, not the DLC.
Building a 50-state strategy may involve a lot of grunt work, but it’s a big and important job and yay for Dean for doing it…for the DNC.
I doubt he’s ever given the DLC the time of day.
Fern @ 82
Except that BushCo now owns the Justice Dept. It was noted earlier that ’someone’ is stalling DeLay’s case. I’d love to see an indictment and trial, but I’ve been disappointed too many times already.
Would Neil be the Bush boy that was fond of hiring prostitutes while traveling?
Thanks folks. Mendacious Douchebaggery indeed!
Does the FISA stuff tie into the USA firings?
Like Fern @78, I was wondering if there was some underlying big one for which the others are cover-ups. But that’s a mighty fine list y’all have compiled, what a pack of thugs!
dakine01 @ 48
Yes you are correct here are some linkys:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/5/184242/4509
http://www.thecarpetbaggerrepo…../8542.html
But the poetry of Ted Kennedy being the Chair of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor & Pensions….
(www.help.senate.gov)
Think Kennedy will take this seriously? Heh.
Time for more popcorn!
TRex @
26
so that’s why you are the god of the late nite…
Ya know, for a family who is supposed to be so anti-government in so many ways, the BushCo does seem to spend a lot of time sucking on the public tit. Just saying…
Here is a nice little outline of the Bush siblings and their dealings:
http://www.populist.com/03.07.burns.html
Not only has BushCo. ruined every agency but it’s also become apparent that they have figured how to use them all to rob the American taxpayer.
Remember the line from Fahrenheit 911: “There’s a lot of money to be made here.” Well, they have raided the US Treasury.
And remember Bush’s line: “It’s our due.”
I should note that I’m suffering from flu right now and I’m downright cranky. But, really, I can’t take much more.
What publishing company does Babs Dearest hail from?
dakine01 @ 100
How does that delightfully apt little acronym go?
IOIYAR?
Sun-Myung Moon’s connections Jerry Falwell and to Liberty University (one of the places where all those DOJ recruits have been trained):
Link
TomInMaine @ 76
I admit, I had to laugh about this comment.
Nola Sue:
Close. IOKIYAR
I can’t get this link to work – if you can’t get it, google Sun-Myung Moon companies, and look for the Falwell Liberty University connection:
link
Probably I’m just naive, but I have never understood exactly WHY the major Democratic guns — senators in particular, did not stand with Lamont?? What could they possibly have thought they had to gain? There was no danger of losing the seat to the repugnicans…..
dakine01 @ 100
Along those lines:
The Conservative Nanny State: How the Wealthy Use the Government to Stay Rich and Get Richer
by Dean Baker
In his new book, economist Dean Baker debunks the myth that conservatives favor the market over government intervention. In fact, conservatives rely on a range of “nanny state” policies that ensure the rich get richer while leaving most Americans worse off. It’s time for the rules to change. Sound economic policy should harness the market in ways that produce desirable social outcomes – decent wages, good jobs and affordable health care. Dean Baker is co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research. You may also download this title for FREE at http://www.conservativenannystate.org.
LS @ 81
I found this earlier, but ls beat me to the lake with it.
If anyone wants to wade in the weeds early on this newest scandal, this article is jam-packed. Especially with lots of Texas fuckery. (She says, as a saddened former Texan.)
Anecdotal aside. I well remember the night GWB was inaugurated for his first gube term. Mr. Sue & I went to our favorite Austin interior Mexican restaurant and were startled by all these wealthy looking middle-aged couples in formal attire. Not at all typical, even for this nice place. Then it dawned on us that they were having dinner before the repub celebration. We mourned Ann then, too. And look what all’s been wrought. I knew it was a set-up then. But who could have known it could go this far….
oddmommy @ 109
Birds of a feather.
Sally @ 103
home is where the harpy is: Ran Dumb House
eCAHNomics @ 112
Yeah. I thought it was all a bit too scary for the other Establishment Dems. If this big populist, progressive wave could threaten Holy Joe, mightn’t their toes be at risk of getting damp, too?
Better to try to keep holding their fingers in the dike and protect their turf.
dakine01 @ 100
So true. And it works that way with less rich and powerful Repubs too. In the business world, so often the companies that bid for gov’t contracts are headed by people who claim to be anti-gov’t yet have no qualms about inflating costs to waste taxpayer money while doing the minimum amount of work they can get away with.
And they will eagerly misrepresent themselves to appear as a woman- or minority-owned business … and look for boondoggle multi-year projects where they don’t have to deliver to realistic goals/deadlines and the costs are likely soar as time passes. And they don’t even seem to notice when they rail against the taxes and bureaucracy that sustain their businesses.
oddmommy
Their reasoning was:
1) Lieberman was probably going to win.
2) If all the dems campaigned against him and he won- he’d be likely to cross the aisle and the goopers would retain the senate..
Turns out they were right about most of it- if their ass kissing kept the senate dem- then we’ll think it’s worth it- especially if another supreme court seat comes up.
Bush’s allies? Isn’t that Barney and Laura?
Jane’s new thread on the education scandal is up.
On the supposed hatred of the goopers for govt. Read “Wealth and Democracy” by Kevin Phillips and you will discover that most of the wealth in this nation was created by people manipulating the govt. The FIRST millionaires came from people who supplied the govt. in the revolutionary war and from currency speculators who bought up colonial currency for a penny on the dollar and then talked congress into honoring it at full value. It has always been thus.
The Pugs said that Reid was abandoning the troops “What will the troops think when they hear that the Democratic Speaker has said that the war is LOST!”
Well they might think that SOMEONE in Washington is SANE!
Apparently several Military Officials stated off the record yesterday that they Iraqi military was unable to hold even the smallest area after it had been “cleared” by the US forces. “We are not only going to have to “clear” these areas by ourselves, but hold them once they are cleared.” So much for Bush’s claims that the well-trained Iraqi military would help us take these areas…”The Iraqis aren’t participating, unless they are going in to an area held by the same sectarian background as that task force.”
In fact, US forces have stopped using “integrated” units, and have essentially stopped training Iraqi recruits.
So it’s actually well-known that the situation is worse on the ground, and that the surge strategy is failing.
“We’re gonna have to have another 100,000 troops at least”, said one commander.
Meanwhile, the American PUBLIC realizes that things are failing despite what the cheerleader in chief and his cronies are saying.
Even the normally pro-Bush Rassmussen reports say that Bush’s approval ratings are hitting rock-bottom at 36%…with only 16% saying he’s doing an excellent job. And over half the country says that Iraq will be lost, with only 33% saying we “might” win there.
link 1
link 2
Think Iraq is a bloody mess? Well it could get MUCH worse—Looks as if the Turks and the Kurds are about to get into it- followed by the Iranians and THEIR Kurds…
The Turks tried to tell Clusterfuck at the beginning that there was a significant risk that his invasion would cause a conflict with the Kurds that would cause a widening of the conflict- well “Hello” here it comes.
I can’t believe the idiocy of these cretins in the White House.
good points all, thank you.
But it is just so f******g tragic how he went from being this shunned paraiah for those brief, magical days last summer…..to this all-important majority holder with lipstick all over his ass….
eyes of the world @
115
I know. I saw it in operation frequently when working as contractor in the war machine.
odd
The good news is that he is unlikely to ever get elected again- and dems hold the senate..Politics is the process of salvaging the possible from the speculative.
Is this the same bush caught up in the savings and loan scandal years back?
yep- same one.
What bullying can do to a person.
http://www.rawstory.com/showou…..p;ito=1490
No excuses for the VT violence but if you dig deep enough sometimes there are reasons a person reaches this level of violent and criminal behaviour
http://www.edmontonsun.com/New…..68653.html
Since “Uncle Harry” is trying to be perceived as having grown a set – witness the “the war is lost” comment, how about a comment along the lines of this:
“It has become abundantly crystal clear that the Bush Administration has no strategy in Iraq beyond incessant happy talk about the war to its own, dwindling hand-picked audience. The vast majority of Americans have reached that realization; they have also recognized that the constant ‘Support the Troops’ refrain from the Bush White House and its supporters is little more than an adjunct to the happy talk about Iraq. It is trite to the point of staleness. It is cavernously hollow, and it is entirely useless as a weapon to pacify those of us who have recognized the need to end this bloodshed, stop the violence, and seek a multi-faceted solution to the ongoing crisis in that country.”
oddmommy @
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BigDog went on Larry King and said he wasn’t worried about Connecticut, since a Democrat would win either way.
NOTeasy @
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Yep. I agree. Good version by Paula West on Album “Come What May” as well.
I was at YearlyKos last year when Senator Reid was challenged about Lieberman who at that time before the primary was threatening to leave the Democratic party if he lost. Senator Reid seemed a bit hesitant about what to say, but finally replied that Lieberman had to realize that “actions have consequences.” Senator Reid repeated the same phrase to Jane Hamsher in a private interview.
However, at the critical time national Democrats bailed on Ned Lamont. Remember Barbara Boxer? She’s done some interesting things with her committee chairmanship, but can she be trusted to take a risk when the chips are down? Can Senator Reid? Hmmm?
National Dems may have thought of their support of Lieberman as practical, as supporting a friend, as who knows? To me and lots of ordinary voters like me it looked then, and looks now, like cowardice and ignoring the will of the voters expressed by the ballot.
Actions have consequences, Harry.
Actions have consequences.
oddmommy @
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Well, oddmommy, the points are interesting, but it is not only my opinion that Lamont could have won. The national Dems could have promoted his Republican opponent, who was no fool, thereby keeping more Republican votes away from Lieberman. They could have given more money and campaign help to Lamont sooner. They could have done lots of things that they didn’t do.
oddmommy, the unvarnished pornographic, f’en truth is that the national Dems did not expect to win the Senate. They weren’t too sure about the House. They were playing a safe loser’s game.
They still haven’t quite gotten the message that the American public is not only on their side, but far ahead of them, waiting impatiently for the Dems to catch up.
To propose bold solutions.
To lead, damnit.
The Reps are out of ideas and the country knows it. Control of the government is there for the taking if the Democrats will just grow a pair of gonads (either XX or XY) and grab it.
Lieberman is the Senator for Isreal. He cares nothing for the U.S. He backs everything Bush as long as their in War in the Middle East. He will turn his back on anyone that gets in the way of what he perceives is best for Isreal. Whether you are pro Isreal or not, Joe puts Isreal above America. Anyone that supports him must realize this. He will not do anything to buck this aggenda.
Harry Reid is the only reason that Lieberman is allowed to still chair the committees. Will Reid sing a different tune, after Lieberman stabs him in the back? It’s coming — I can feel it. And oh, does anybody know Lieberman’s Connecticut address?
[Modnote: we won’t print the home address of a public figure.]
Harry, the name you command is leader not follower, please try and act accordingly.
Glad to see Joe got it right. That makes one ‘D’ that knows of which he speaks.
God bless him.