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		<title>By: anothergreenbus</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/20/frenzy/#comment-639115</link>
		<dc:creator>anothergreenbus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 01:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t really care what NBC’s motives were for showing the video of the killer. I doubt they were wholesome. But, I think the net result is good. This killer is “Mr. America” even if he wasn’t a citizen. America should look in the mirror and take full appraisal of what we are becoming–torturers, rage addicts, gun lusting macho men. Listen to the hate-masturbators in the rightwing media. Watch the movies that glorify disconnected violence. Play the video games of remorseless killing. This is what we have become. This is the rightwing manifestation of maleness carried to its logical conclusion by a psychotic young man. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s better to look at the truth even if it very painful. Where are the real American men who will stand up for civil society?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t really care what NBC’s motives were for showing the video of the killer. I doubt they were wholesome. But, I think the net result is good. This killer is “Mr. America” even if he wasn’t a citizen. America should look in the mirror and take full appraisal of what we are becoming–torturers, rage addicts, gun lusting macho men. Listen to the hate-masturbators in the rightwing media. Watch the movies that glorify disconnected violence. Play the video games of remorseless killing. This is what we have become. This is the rightwing manifestation of maleness carried to its logical conclusion by a psychotic young man. </p>
<p>It’s better to look at the truth even if it very painful. Where are the real American men who will stand up for civil society?</p>
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		<title>By: Everythingseemssoneat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/20/frenzy/#comment-639024</link>
		<dc:creator>Everythingseemssoneat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Gullible, Mind Controlled, Amerigeeks fooled again.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gullible, Mind Controlled, Amerigeeks fooled again.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/20/frenzy/#comment-638959</link>
		<dc:creator>Rusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I come from the TV industry.  Twenty plus years of it…  and I can tell you that there was only one consideration on NBC’s mind once it received those materials from the killer.  Ratings!  The proof of that lies in the way they waited until the 630pm Nightly Newscast to air them.  Doing so gave them a huge opportunity to serve themselves in at least three key financial ways.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;First of all they new that with the hype all afternoon, that they would get a huge ratings boost for the NBC Nightly News (outside of their Primetime programs, the next biggest money maker for the network), second by first exposing the materials on their Nighly News they could then pass the videos on to their sister network, MSNBC, and play them to death all night long to give that network a shot in the arm.  Thirdly, the network not only competes for ratings which turn into instant cash, it also competes for strong local television station affiliates in every market in the U.S.  Holding this material until the evening network news helped every local affiliate gain ratings and a stronger audience lead into their access (7-8pm) local programs  The NBC network wins, the MSNBC cable network wins, and NBC’s local affiliates win.  None of that would have been true by first airing the killers videos at any other time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If NBC was truly just interested in delivering important news to the public, it would have delivered it earlier, and would have shared it with the other major networks to do so at the same time.  NBC wanted the exclusive, and waited until it would generate the most revenue.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s not about journalism, it’s about the ratings race, and the millions they generate.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I come from the TV industry.  Twenty plus years of it…  and I can tell you that there was only one consideration on NBC’s mind once it received those materials from the killer.  Ratings!  The proof of that lies in the way they waited until the 630pm Nightly Newscast to air them.  Doing so gave them a huge opportunity to serve themselves in at least three key financial ways.  </p>
<p>First of all they new that with the hype all afternoon, that they would get a huge ratings boost for the NBC Nightly News (outside of their Primetime programs, the next biggest money maker for the network), second by first exposing the materials on their Nighly News they could then pass the videos on to their sister network, MSNBC, and play them to death all night long to give that network a shot in the arm.  Thirdly, the network not only competes for ratings which turn into instant cash, it also competes for strong local television station affiliates in every market in the U.S.  Holding this material until the evening network news helped every local affiliate gain ratings and a stronger audience lead into their access (7-8pm) local programs  The NBC network wins, the MSNBC cable network wins, and NBC’s local affiliates win.  None of that would have been true by first airing the killers videos at any other time.</p>
<p>If NBC was truly just interested in delivering important news to the public, it would have delivered it earlier, and would have shared it with the other major networks to do so at the same time.  NBC wanted the exclusive, and waited until it would generate the most revenue.  </p>
<p>It’s not about journalism, it’s about the ratings race, and the millions they generate.</p>
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		<title>By: Japandrew</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/20/frenzy/#comment-638954</link>
		<dc:creator>Japandrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Natural Born Killers was an antiviolence film. The violence was stylized in strange and interesting ways, but this did not make it alluring. It was set up so that viewers always got to know the victims, even for a few seconds, as ordinary, real people. The net effect was antiviolence. The proof, for me, was in the reaction of the friend I went to see it with. A fan of Rambo-style blow them all away cinematic violence, he left NBK disturbed and upset.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Natural Born Killers was an antiviolence film. The violence was stylized in strange and interesting ways, but this did not make it alluring. It was set up so that viewers always got to know the victims, even for a few seconds, as ordinary, real people. The net effect was antiviolence. The proof, for me, was in the reaction of the friend I went to see it with. A fan of Rambo-style blow them all away cinematic violence, he left NBK disturbed and upset.</p>
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		<title>By: TribeScribe</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/20/frenzy/#comment-638873</link>
		<dc:creator>TribeScribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-638774&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Tlazolteotl @&lt;br /&gt;
                216              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I don’t know…with all due respect to the families of the victims (and I include Cho’s family here as well)…maybe it wasn’t such a bad thing for people to see that, though he may have been mentally ill, Cho was also a &lt;em&gt;mean little f*cker. &lt;/em&gt; Why else would someone go on such a rampage?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;imho, the verdict is still out on how much of this is “him” and how much of this is him mirroring back what the world looked like to him, or what a “tough guy, that no one would mess with” should look like.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;one characteristic of autism (that is extreme in autistics but shows up more like a filtered “monkey see monkey do” in most others) is echolalia — high functioning autistics describe themselves as acting like a “recorder”&lt;br /&gt;
when it comes to trying to speak.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you ever take a gander at the vids again,&lt;br /&gt;
do it this time as if you are *him*, looking at the world.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Think of him as a kid, with very little filtering, on playback.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now are you getting a (more complete) picture?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-638774"><em>Tlazolteotl @<br />
                216              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I don’t know…with all due respect to the families of the victims (and I include Cho’s family here as well)…maybe it wasn’t such a bad thing for people to see that, though he may have been mentally ill, Cho was also a <em>mean little f*cker. </em> Why else would someone go on such a rampage?</p>
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<p>imho, the verdict is still out on how much of this is “him” and how much of this is him mirroring back what the world looked like to him, or what a “tough guy, that no one would mess with” should look like.</p>
<p>one characteristic of autism (that is extreme in autistics but shows up more like a filtered “monkey see monkey do” in most others) is echolalia — high functioning autistics describe themselves as acting like a “recorder”<br />
when it comes to trying to speak.</p>
<p>If you ever take a gander at the vids again,<br />
do it this time as if you are *him*, looking at the world.  </p>
<p>Think of him as a kid, with very little filtering, on playback.</p>
<p>Now are you getting a (more complete) picture?</p>
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		<title>By: Jacqrat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/20/frenzy/#comment-638850</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacqrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-638725&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;VJB @ 207&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Sorry–it has appeared @ 176. Sorry for the alarmism.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;FWIW, I believe the reason your comment got stuck in the filters was the last sentence.  Better to use * liberally when posting words that spam-filters are on the lookout for, e.g., “P*nis” and “P*rn”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-638725"><em>VJB @ 207</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Sorry–it has appeared @ 176. Sorry for the alarmism.</p>
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<p>FWIW, I believe the reason your comment got stuck in the filters was the last sentence.  Better to use * liberally when posting words that spam-filters are on the lookout for, e.g., “P*nis” and “P*rn”.</p>
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		<title>By: TribeScribe</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/20/frenzy/#comment-638846</link>
		<dc:creator>TribeScribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Speaking of MSM brilliance.  Alex, I’ll take furrin surnames for $1000….&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Caught this gaffe when the dorm room name tag was shown (”Joseph and Seung-Hui”) and when they id’d his sis (S. Cho).  Nice catch, (finally) MSNBC.  Pulaski Co. officials, not so much.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“The gunman’s name was given as Cho Seung-Hui by police earlier this week, with the surname first, as is common among many Korean families, but the Cho family statement rendered his name as Seung-Hui Cho, with the surname last in the American fashion. NBC News and MSNBC.com are adopting that rendering.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Speaking of MSM brilliance.  Alex, I’ll take furrin surnames for $1000….</em></p>
<p>Caught this gaffe when the dorm room name tag was shown (”Joseph and Seung-Hui”) and when they id’d his sis (S. Cho).  Nice catch, (finally) MSNBC.  Pulaski Co. officials, not so much.</p>
<p>“The gunman’s name was given as Cho Seung-Hui by police earlier this week, with the surname first, as is common among many Korean families, but the Cho family statement rendered his name as Seung-Hui Cho, with the surname last in the American fashion. NBC News and MSNBC.com are adopting that rendering.”</p>
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		<title>By: oldtree</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/20/frenzy/#comment-638829</link>
		<dc:creator>oldtree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;the “nooz” has had a chance to wring blood from a stone for the last several days.  have any of the newsies cried about the dirty laundry?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this is the most sickening thing I have seen this week.  how many hundreds died in iraq?   pretty much all assassinated,  but much larger caliber bullets and explosives,  beheadings.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but for those bastions of the 5th estate, nothing comes close to the lingering death of a cheerleader here, a professor there, a hero, a tragedy.   off the microphone you hear;  “tired as hell of hearing anna nicole this and that,  now we got something great”   this death march will go on for ever if they can figure out how.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;joke of the future;&lt;br /&gt;
“why is the news so violent?”   “because that’s what they pay for”&lt;br /&gt;
it used to be the other way around.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the “nooz” has had a chance to wring blood from a stone for the last several days.  have any of the newsies cried about the dirty laundry?</p>
<p>this is the most sickening thing I have seen this week.  how many hundreds died in iraq?   pretty much all assassinated,  but much larger caliber bullets and explosives,  beheadings.</p>
<p>but for those bastions of the 5th estate, nothing comes close to the lingering death of a cheerleader here, a professor there, a hero, a tragedy.   off the microphone you hear;  “tired as hell of hearing anna nicole this and that,  now we got something great”   this death march will go on for ever if they can figure out how.  </p>
<p>joke of the future;<br />
“why is the news so violent?”   “because that’s what they pay for”<br />
it used to be the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: kirk murphy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/20/frenzy/#comment-638782</link>
		<dc:creator>kirk murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This fine spring day seems to bring new friends to the Lake.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Welcome!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And so many strongly support MSNBC’s murder meltdown.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Odd to find so many people strongly defending MSM here…..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hmm.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m sure it’s merely a random fluctuation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This fine spring day seems to bring new friends to the Lake.</p>
<p>Welcome!</p>
<p>And so many strongly support MSNBC’s murder meltdown.</p>
<p>Odd to find so many people strongly defending MSM here…..</p>
<p>Hmm.</p>
<p>I’m sure it’s merely a random fluctuation.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlazolteotl</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/20/frenzy/#comment-638774</link>
		<dc:creator>Tlazolteotl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t know…with all due respect to the families of the victims (and I include Cho’s family here as well)…maybe it wasn’t such a bad thing for people to see that, though he may have been mentally ill, Cho was also a mean little f*cker.  Why else would someone go on such a rampage?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know…with all due respect to the families of the victims (and I include Cho’s family here as well)…maybe it wasn’t such a bad thing for people to see that, though he may have been mentally ill, Cho was also a mean little f*cker.  Why else would someone go on such a rampage?</p>
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