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SEN. BROWNBACK QUESTIONS Cont'd: AG -- if you look at some of the documents, you can see that the Deputy AG agonized over Bogden. At the end of the day, we felt that it was the right decision. I regret that we didn't have a face to face meeting with him to confer about this. (CHS notes: And now we are talking about interal personnel policies and styles, which, last I checked, are the responsibility of the AG.) Brownback asks about Charlton of AZ, and asks AG to be concise. AG says that Charlton had issues with a particular death penalty case. AG says he made a decision about a particular case on May 15th about a particular case, and asked him to reconsider -- AG was miffed that he was asked to reconsider. Since Dec. 7, he has also learned that there was a question about implementing a policy on targets that was different from other areas of the country -- to do something unilaterally like that is questionable, but AG learned about this after the fact. Ryan? AG says he was not surprised to see him on the list -- poor management.
Chiara? I don't recall why we made the decision on her in December. I have since learned about poor judgment and management questions, we had to send someone out to mediate a dispute. Cummins? He was on a different track -- was asked to resign on June 14th. Was asked to resign because there was another well-qualified individual that the WH wanted to place there because he was well-qualified (read: Karl Rove's political crony pal.) Question of seeing if there might be a vacancy coming up and making certain that we had a well-qualified candidate for the job. McKay -- recall that it was a question of judgment. I have since learned that the way he pursued a particular project and that there was friction with the Deputy Attorney General, indiciation of poor judgment because he sent a letter about this project and had people sign on without knowing that it would cause friction. Questions about resources -- made the DoJ look bad to people outside the department. Brownback says he's glad to hear the factual basis.
SEN. LEAHY CLARIFICATION: On Cummings, you testified that you overlooked what had happened? Did you ever send a follow-up to that testimony? AG says he doesn't recall sending a correction or follow-up. Leahy says you know we leave the record open for you to correct. AG doesn't recall doing so.
SEN. KOHL QUESTIONS: Questions of politicization of prosecutions in WI. Prosecutions routed through Rove's office to Sampson. Was Biskupic ever on the list of USAs to be dismissed? I was never aware that he was on the list, but I am aware that he may have been on aproblem list -- Biskupic has said and issued a press release that he was not aware of being on a list. Kohl says if he was on the list, why was he taken off the list? AG says "This was a process that I did not have transparency into this." Kohl says could you get back to me as to why he was on the list and then taken off? AG says with all due respect, ask Sampson. I'll see if there is something I can do, but he doesn't want to compromise this investigation on this. (CHS notes: Essentially, you'll have to ask Sampson and Rove -- you know, Rove who is refusing to testify under oath at this point. Helpful.) I'm sure we can agree that the AG office is more important than the person that sits in it -- what is the rationale for you staying in the job, with the low morale at the DoJ and questions of the taint of politicization? AG responds that six weeks prior to the election, they took plea from former Rep. Ney -- looking at the best thing for the case, not politics. Politicization of the department is just not true -- when you raise questions, you are attacking the career prosecutors, and that's not right. (CHS: variation on the "if you question the President, you are unpatriotic" theme.) AG says that he looks back on his tenure at the department with pride -- we have done great things, and the department in general has not been mismanaged. The work of the department continues. Cases are still being invstigated, are still being prosecuted. I have instructed all the USAs that no cases should be sped up or slowed down because of the actions. Kohl says that he appreciates that, but that 2/3rds of the American public believes that politics played a role and have lost confidence in your leadership fo the DoJ. Kohl getting at the "putting the Department before yourself" question. AG says that he believes that he can continue to be effective, and the moment that he believes he can't continue, he will resign. AG says the notion that something improper happened here is simply not supported by the documents (CHS notes: that we have decided to give you to look at, but of course there are a whole lot more out there that no one as yet has.)
SEN. HATCH QUESTIONS: Do you make decisions at the DoJ based upon the polls? No, I don't. (CHS notes: Smarmy Orrin has shown up this morning. Quite the weaselly tone in his voice this morning.) Hatch says that lots of good things are done by the DoJ. Your actions back up your words - thanks so much for being such a cooperative fella. "I'm afraid that some do not want to go where the evidence tells us to go." It is one thing to conduct legitimate oversight of matters of substantial concern...Hatch going into the "criminalization of politics" theme. Were any of these attorneys asked to resign in rataliation for political reasons? I don't think so. Hatch says, so the answer is no. (CHS notes: We continue with Hatch's usual leading the witness method of walking the AG through the things that Hatch wants him to say.) AG says he really enjoys going to visit the USA offices and talk with the staff. Hatch moves through the "my busy job" meme. (CHS notes: I swear, if we start down the "my hard job makes me forget and lie" road, I'm going to lose it. This "pass the buck and take no responsibility for anything I ever do" malarky has got to stop.)
Ag says that he is accountable to the American people, and there should be accountability. The USAs should ahve independence on moving their individual cases forward. But that there should be accountability of them to the President with regard to the policies and priorities of the President. There are going to be local eneds and priorities, as well as national ones. USAs, as members of the President's team, they are subordinate to the President's priorities. Hatch says that the AG's description on firing rationales is "perfectly reasonable" that his involvement was limited. AG says that Sampson was coordinating, and that he (AG) interjected himself in the process only from time to time. (CHS: Interesting, Hatch appears to be now warming up the bus for Sampson, his prior staffer. They are worried about him, aren't they?)
SEN. FEINSTEIN QUESTIONS: Syas she has 3 questions to ask him. Whose idea was it to change the law in an amendment from your staff between Moschella and Tollman, to add in conference, an amendment to replace USAs without Senate confirmation? AG says he doesn't recall specifically the genesis of this. Looks like there was discussion about this going back to 2004. AG says that he approved of the amendment because he doesn't like the Judiciary approving who was on his staff. Feinstein says "so you approved of the way this was done?" AG says he's not saying that, he liked the back-door appointment ability though. Feinstein refers to Gonzales written statement and says "I did not make decisions about who should or should not..." -- seems to me that there is a big question about whether you are "the decider." Gonzales says that he did not make decisions to his knowledge about who should or should not be on the lists. After the work had been completed, he made the final decision to accept the list given to him by his staff. Battle made calls to USAs -- Gonzales says that he made a call to Sen. Kyl, and then cuts himself off with a wince.
Those evaluations would simply be one evaluation of performance in office. Mr. Mercer who was in charge of the performance review process -- the EARS reports -- AG says that he doesn't recall, there is a back and forth, turns out they are talking about Battle and not Mercer. Leahy steps in and says that he sent a letter to the AG prior to testimony notifying him that this would be an issue with regard to the transcript -- AG doesn't seem aware that he was notified, but thanks Leahy. Says that you can have a particular prosecutor who is doing well individually, but not well as a part of the team.
Feinstein says that Lam was ranked as one of the top 10 prosecutors in the country -- goes through substantial list of qualification and kudos for Lam from state and federal agencies and within the DoJ. Prosecutions for alien smuggling in the Southern district (letter from William Moschella to Feinstein) are rising sharply -- compares favorably to the number of prosecutions brought in 2005. Finally, no one in the DoJ communicated to Carol Lam that there was a problem with her handling of immigration cases -- if this is the reason for her firing, shouldn't someone at the DoJ have had the decency to contact her and discuss these problems? AG says that she was aware of these concerns because she had contact with members of Congress about this. (CHS notes: Rep. Issa, for one.) It was appropriate that we would ask for changes on gun and immigration prosecutions. Feinstein says, you mentioned House members -- bring your attention to e-mail that Lam met with Issa and Sesenbrenner -- youraide says that the meeting was cordial and constructive and that Lam handled it well. AG says there were questions about the gun and immigration performance issues and that's the reason why. A bit of stammering.
10 minute recess.
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JUSTICE!
First?
ZED???
Q: Mr Gonzales, are you a crook or a fool?
A: A fool! Definitely a fool!
V TECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MSNBC has this live, but they’ve just taken a break.
Gonzaies Perjury Count=28
Why did Kohl throw him a bone on why he should remain AG?
No, we’re not partisans, say Abu.
Abu trying to use Ney as “example.” Uh, the evidence was so fucking overwhelming. You’re attacking the career prosecutors.
Abu, you moron.
It’s about the kids and neighborhoods. Screw the constitution.
Abu trying to use career professionals to deflect. Saying that attacking him for politicizing dept is attack on career prosecutors. WTF? Voice inflection rising. Career folks not political and insult to them.
the hearing was briefly interrupted to allow the witness a chance to stretch his legs
And now suddenly any criticism we level against the Department of Justice is not a criticism of Gonzo but of career prosecutors? That is an interesting shift. And Bush’s appointees are now suddenly irrelevant? This is ridiculous.
Notice he’s wrapped himself in the career people, just as his boss warps himself in the troops.
Somebody, please ask him about the loyalty oaths for the career people, because it absolutely shreds AGAG’s argument.
Kohl should n ot be giving him this platform
Cases are being, er, swept under the rug, you putz.
Kohl using soft, reasonable tones to set him up. Lull before going in for kill.
LJ/Aquaria @
9
And he fired Lam.
He hasn’t given one good reason to keep him. Not one.
dakine01 @
11
Leaves an opening to talk about clearing out of career prosecutors and loyalty tests…
sen. kohl:
“. . . over half the american people
don’t have confidence in your work. . .
what is the rationale for
you to remain in this office. . .
. . .tainting prosecutions with politics?”
gonzales:
“i will do what’s best for the department. . .”
then resign.
He knows in his heart that he can continue to be effective!
Words fail
Oh boy. Here we go. “In my heart.” I don’t care about your black heart.
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We think you suck Abu
air sickness bags please
Leahy giving decorum lecture now.
Gregory Hines would laugh his ass off at this sorry attempt at tap dancing.
Gonzales… hyper ventilating..
“We have done great things..”
Then refers to himself in third person.
RESIGN NOW.
So now Gonzo’s destiny will only be shaped by his opinion of himself? He is not a sovereign. And why is someone not explaining this to him.
Open the Hatch.
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“The U.S. Attorney Scandal Documents.”
Hatch then DiFI then 10 min. break
Mod: Please take us out of typewriter font.
Hatch up.
Q: Do you run Justice based on polls?
Oh God. Hatch.
Yeah there’s so much accountability in the WH
Hatch the snake from behind the Mormon Curtain.
RevDeb @ 33
Oh Jeez, not Hatch. I think I’m gonna puke!
Hatch=waterboy
Hatch seen him do so many good things . . . . like voter intimidation perhaps?
hatch up. Do you use polls for decisions? Abu: No i don’t, use my best judgement.
Abu: doing my job, I make people unhappy.
Hatch: glad to see you here a month later. You want to help congress and US people understand what happened. some do not want to go where evidence takes us. Some on fishing expedition.
Hatch trying to deflect big time.
Is there a gabbly link?
Hatch wants Gonzo’s job. He should recuse himself.
Attacking a Dem for saying Abu wouldn’t be around for a week. Real classy, Hatch.
I hope remaining dems to a better job than kohl
HATCH- since Abu can’t testify coherently, Orin will do it. Question - which of these 2 owes the other dinner and a BJ after this is over?
Hatch leading with the boiler plate “This are what DoJ do.”
Certain segments of Americans fishing for things to back up foregone conclusions. I think he’s talking about us, folks.
Hatch conducting a FOX interview.
Hatch is a lapdog prick partison asshole, I lived in Utah, it’s a whole ‘nother world
Little civics lesson courtesy of Hatch.
Hatch giving his standard reach-around.
eCAHNomics @ 52
Oh that’s rich!
Do you love your mother ?
sen. hatch [ugh]:
. . .so, the answer is no. . .
hatch needs to tell him
what his answers are????
this is ajoke.
Hatch = turd polisher
Hatch is going to try, “he has too many employees to keep track of all these people.” Uh, the USA’s are the same as they typists in the department.
gonzo - bringing up v tech again. shameless
Gee Abu knows what departments make up the DoJ!
Geez, now AGAG brings in Blacksburg. Y’all are goin to have to watch this for me. I’m hangin’ it up.
If this is fishing we have a trophy hooked
just had to leave the room while Sen. Hatch was on.
Your a busy busy boy… Right ?
Tell us how wonderful you are, how you love Mom, apple pie and the flag, Abu.
Hatch: Boy, you’re real busy ain’t cha? All these important meetings and stoking you gotta do.
Important piece by KagroX on this at DKos.
Any Judiciary Committee staff reading this thread go take a look.
last 2 graphs:
I think accepting a plea from Ney (with no apparent quid pro per in terms of info on other associates) could be interpreted as giving a fellow Bu$hevik a break, rather than proscecuting to the fullest extent of the law. And when does all the “information” that Abramoff is supposedly providing come home to roost?
The current DOJ is entirely about covering up RePuke Crime and creating Dem crime, out of whole cloth if necessary, and eliminating Dem voters in swing states.
Goes to intelligence meetings. Oooh. I’m so impressed! What does Abu know about those that might prove interesting.
Gonzo: When I’m not fightin’ terrists, I’m battling gun massacrees and peeedofiles.
-GSD
I’m gonnna download all these threads and read em tonite at the teenager’s basketball practice. keep at it guys. this is more fun than a barrel of monkeys.
You really have no experience to justify your position do you? I don’t recall
Abu talking accountability now. They prosecutors are independent but we can’t have them doing things we don’t want.
PARSING ALERT!!!!
Hatch askes whether any of the USA were fired “in order to, OR IN RETALIATION FOR, either impedeing or improperly bringing a case”. I’ll tell you right now, that second part is not what Orrin wanted to ask. And instead of saying ‘no’ Abu says something to the effect that ‘that is not the reason that I had asked for the resignation”. Were I a Dem senator, I’d follow up by asking the question again and asking for a yes or no answer. I will be my bottom dollar that Gonzales can’t do it. He knows better. And he knows what happens to perjurers.
Ya Abu, yer so busy and important. Keep digging. That ploy worked SOOOOO well for Scooter… :)
No, Hatch, we understand that a political appointee can be impartial in discharging their duties.
Wow, he’s almost as busy as the VP’s COS!
No intelligence has ever been as brief as when Hatch and Gonzo are in an ntelligence Briefing together.
twolf1 @ 25
Ha ha then why are we watching Gonzales speak.
Seriously Hatch is outrageous. He tries to feed Gonzales the line that the firings were not motivated to shut down a case, but G. won’t bite.
anyone keeping score on “I don’t recall” and “nothing improper happened here?”
This is in response to the Pew Poll that said Fox News viewers didn’t know diddly.
Hatch is just bringing them up to speed.
…
Hatch “I like you, you’re NEAT!”
Gonzo “I like you too, you’re FUN!”
blah!
…
Gonzaies Perjury Count=36
Ah, now we get to the hard stroking of the reach around.
froggermarch @ 78
oh, but not nearly as busy as Cookies.
“I had in my mind”
That’s the phrase they have been coached to use over and over again. Sampson did too IIRC.
That’s fine … let Hatch and Gonzo have their little lovefest - nothing of any substance is coming out of this anyway. Other than Gonzo continually throwing Sampson under the bus he’s just rambling on and on. Mercifully, Hatch’s time is up.
Holy crap, Gonzalez went with “we support the troops”! Except, with “career professionals” instead of “troops”.
could they just forget to invite Sen. Kohl next time? too many softballs. too many unchallenged statements from Gone-zo.
Orrin Hatch, chief troll feeder.
-GSD
Is anyone doing an “I don’t recall” count?
I’ve lost track.
Why does Gonzo always say “in my mind” as though he had one?
Frankly, I think the questioning by the democrats so far has been pathetic. Hope it gets better.
nolo @
22
TiredFed @ 64
When the Repubs are up is a good time to do household chores (for those of us @ home). Scrubbing the toilet, cleaning dog poop in the back yard or disentangling the garbage disposal is particularly appropriate re Hatch,
…
They used to call this a 68
you do me and I owe you one
…
He relied on Sampson to gather the data and make a decision. I don’t do nuthin!
DiFi up.
Good.
Hatch is done.
Feinstein up.. 3 questions..
Gonzo: just because I delegated this task to Sampson doesn’t mean I abdicate responsiblity.
RevDeb @ 85
Yes. And for anyone else that might work, but you gotta have one to invoke it.
DiFi up now then 10 minute break.
DiFi: 3 questions. Let’s go back. Who’s idea to change the law and sneak that nasty provision into law without anyone knowing you were stealing our job?
LJ/Aquaria @ 84
These two don’t even need lube!!!
Wow… that was some love-fest between Hatch and Gonzeles, eh?
Grassley at a funeral?
“In my mind” Who else’s flippin’ mind would it be? I hate this type of speech
Feinstein: good question, but too long.
Also, you need a better hair colorist.
is Hatch over yet?
Tollman! Goodie!
RickinSF @ 90
That’s not his technique. “In my mind” is the mantra.
DIFi up
Whose idea was it to change the law on or about Nov. 15 2005 to add in conference without sharing with anyone on this committee to be able to appt. USA’s without confirmation>
Yay DiFi! Who decided to change the law about replacing USAs?
YEAH!!!
RickinSF @ 90
Could it be that you’ve been doing a shot everytime he’s said it? That could explain your loss…j/k
Feinstein: whose idea was it to change the law conveyed by your staff to Sen Specters staff an amendment, wo conveying to anyone here, an amendment giving you ability to appoint USAs
never mind.
DiFi: Honey, you need some highlights in there.
TiredFed @ 80
*hick* i yam
a shott each
.time
I’m down to the bottom of the bottle
Go DiFi!!
the decider! hahahaha!
“I don’t like the idea of the Senate choosing who serves on my staff”.
Holy shit!
RevDeb @ 68
another important one i hope the Judiciary Committee staff read… from anonymous liberal.
Shit happens—but I don’t seem to remember how shit happens—but whatever the shit was it wasn’t illegal.
-GSD
…
NPR and CNN carrying it live!
I guess
..
Diane says “Decider”
AWESOME
..
I have “I Love Lucy” from TV Land on silently. You have to try it!
DiFi: You essentially approved of the Tollman issue.
Abu: Has no recollection.
DiFi: WHATEVER.
Were you the decider or not?
Reads back his own words to him. Then his own testimony.
Abu: I don’t recall anything . I support senate confirmation but I supported law.
DiFi: I’m confused. Are you the decider? You say, I didn’t make decision but you say you rely on staff. Waht are you saying
Abu: what are you referring to . I’m clueless. You’re saying you decide but not decide.
It’s easier to follow if you replace “I have in my mind…” with “If I answer truthfully I will go to jail, so…”
Feinstein: I’m confused - were you really the decider on this list? Your written comments say I didn’t make decision.
Today you said 3 things - I accept recomendations of staff., I accept decisions of staff, I decided.
G: can I see what you’re reading from?
F: constant equivocation.
Did he just say he doesn’t want to go by the rule of law?
ROTFLMAO:
Gonzo: “Can I see the statement you’re referring to?”
DF: “Yeahh, it’s your written statement.”
Ooops.
Heh! Abu doesn’t even know what he wrote!
Gonzaies Perjury Count=40
This is what restoring honor and dignity to the Whitehouse looks like, eh George?
-GSD
ROFLMAO. This guy is a trip.
I’m gonna send Alberto some ginko biloba
dakine01 @ 123
Ding! There’s the squeeze he can’t get out of.
Feinstein should resign for her part in war profiteering.
A Senator who should resign asking an AG who should resign..questions
Feinstein “I am confused”
Senator Feinstein we are confused by your connection with profitting from the war.
Why did it take you so long to resign from your post?
Now he’s using the I don’t recall line.
He didn’t make decisions about who should resign?
Is he the AG or not?
Will someone be asking abu about his views on the scope of executive privilege?
Re: (CHS notes: Essentially, you’ll have to ask Sampson and Rove — you know, Rove who is refusing to testify under oath at this point. Helpful.)
Some senator should ask: Will you urge Rove to testify before us?
F–k!
Ask him what he ate for breakfast today.
I want to hear him remember anything!
This is a disgrace…
G: sampson updated on review. while being updated, I didn’t make decisions about who should or should not be on list. So when Sampson brought me final names, I decided to follow that recommendations.
I don’t recall exactly when I made decisions.
F: you made these decisions w/o looking at performance reports?
DiFi’s look is priceless. Like a mom hearing a great big whopper.
Now speaking very, very s l o w l y, as if he’s too stupid to understand jack shit.
dakine01 @ 101
What was the answer?
Gonzales is frantically trying to play the “I don’t recall” game, isn’t he?
Meanwhile, he’s essentially claiming that he was the decision maker but that he had no idea what his subordinates were doing or what he was deciding about.
heavy sigh from Abu
lovin this - Go DiFi!
Abu trying to set-up Sampson while DiFi uses the person who’s office Mercer has now.
F: Mercer was in charge of process.
G: no, mercer not in charge. I delegated to Sampson
Does anyone think that Bush’s sycophant is going to say “yes, our intent was to politicize the DOJ to insure one party rule in America”? The Committee needs to take the gloves off and go for this Party functionary’s jugular.
This is high comedy. Abu doesn’t know who does what in his dept.
Feinstein:
“WHO was the Decider?”
OK …Gonzales You made the decision.
AG: “I I I I I was …but
I dont recall that I made it THAT Day.”
RESIGN NOW
Shorter Gonzales: “Hommina-hommina-hommina-hommina…”
Abu is squirming like he has an itch in his butt hole, probably crabs left from Hatch!!
Bob Savage @
79
Hatch is a very bright man and a sharp and evil lawyer, but Karl Rove doesn’t want anyone smarter than himself in Bush’s inner circle. So it stands to reason that Gonzales is dumber than stale dogcrap.
Bluetoe @ 149
take the gloves off and whip out the claws
SCHWIIIIIIINGGG!!
I repeat…you should only get a limited number of “I don’t recall” and still be qualified to hhold hig office in any administration.
OH! Lehey nails him on the transcript!
DiFi: Did anybody involved in unprecendented group firing ever look at performance reports
Abu: I dunno. But they can be great performers but not doing their jobs. WTF?
Abu is hot for that transcript. Di snips back: let me ask question first.
‘I don’t recall knowing.’ Pluperfect Gonzales.
Feinstein’s getting to the surface of just who the fuck made the decisions to put people on Kyle’s Little List, which then went to Abu G for signoff.
‘Consensus’ is just fogging the process, by saying ‘people’ decided who to put on The List. Which fucking people? And who would Abu consider appropriate to have input and final sign-off?
Leahy: I sent you a letter referring to this, so you wouldn’t be surprised. HAH! BUSTED!
Tap Duncan @ 152
BAWAAWAAWAA! Do a shooter for me, wouldya?
Gonzo: “I need to see the document”
Leahy: “let it be noted, I sent you this stuff” [i.e., don’t try that crap here]
COLORADO BOB @ 14
Typical. The Bush team thinks that blame for their errors should be shifted as far down the totem pole as possible, but when people try to blame them, those they tried to scapegoat become human shields. If Gonzales was SecDef, he’d blame Lynndie England for Abu Ghraib, then say that criticism of the war was criticism of Lynndie England. Heads, they win; tails, we lose.
F: did anyone involved in unprecedented group firing ever look at performance reports before putting them on list?
G: put performance in context.
F: you said earlier: we could do much better wrt Lam. F. goes on to laud Lam’s record.
They were fired for poor performance but he doesn’t recall every looking at a performance report???
Why is this even continuing?
maybe if Herb Kohl took lessons from Diane F.
DiFi defense of Lam now. All her good actions and praise. Abu set-up to continue looking like an idiot. She’s hemming him in and will go for kill on Duke Cunnighma case, you betcha!
DiFi: You messed with my homegirl Lam.
Tap Duncan @ 153
Hatch tried sooooo hard to save Gonzo from himself, but the BushCo policy of not allowing anyone smarter than Unca Karl to directly serve Bush is finally coming around to bite them in their collective ass.
Oh, and in other news, John McCain is insane.
DiFi: Public corruption was 2nd priority behind terrorism. Doesn’t she know it’s only DEM corruption at #2? GOP corruption is at #87 - just behind jaywalking.
Carol Lam’s stellar record vs ???? why was she fired??? stumper of the day!
when I was deposed a couple of weeks ago my interrogator asked me nicely not to interrupt her off and on….. but I was not being rude nor aggressive…… I hope Feinstein slapps the rude, scared, defensive little shit!
Added to which —- “As far as I recall” and not remembering. i). He’s the AG, he is supposed to have a razor-sharp mind and remember everything!
ii). I thought they had been prwsctising him for weeks!
How come he does not recall!!!
good byeeeeee.
I agree, he should quit at lunch time (after a quiet single word from Leahy whispered in his ear, “Impeachment!).
“I misspoke”, “I don’t recall”, He’s not the Attorney General he’s the General Prevaricator.
Thanks to all for the live commentary.
al Qaeda ate my homework, too !!
UhClem @ 145
Again, I think that’s probably truthful. Karl’s shop and the DOJ Bushies ran around doing this, presented him with a piece of paper, he scribbled ‘ABU G xoxox’ on it, and that was it.
I’m sure that the US Attorneys are chuffed that their fates were decided by a handful of snot-nosed graduates of Waitin’ For The Rapture Bible College, who had a dozen assistant prosecutions between them.
Feinstein gets around to brass tax.
TiredFed @ 165
Kohl’s a WI corporation man. He’ll only go so far. DiFi…don’t know (other that the war profiteering)
DIFI Killing the Repug talking point that she (DIFI) wrote a letter that Lam stunk
Gonzo: Lam should have been a psychic.
-GSD
Abu claiming Lam aware of concerns. I don’t recall being aware when I asked for resignation. He’s talking in circles and saying nothing!
Ricky Riccardo’s getting slammed by Ethel
I wouldn’t be surprised if the GOP only covers CYA issues, and otherwise stonewalls, from here on out.
Nobody’s going to lash-up to the sinking Abu…
Abu: I don’t recall the answer letter to DIFI that said that Lam was great.
Abu’s basically reading the bullet points from the post hoc workup that Monica Goodling did on Lam.
Quit lippin’ the mic Alberto.
Senator Feinstein could you explain why it took you so long to resign from your obvious “conflict of interest” chairperson post of MILCON?
http://www.metroactive.com/met.....-0712.html
Lam was acutely aware of our concerns says Gonzo.
IIRC she testified that no one told her. yes?
DiFi demonstrates immigration reason was BS for firing a distinguished prosecutor like Carol Lam.
Abu made the decision to fire her. He “thinks” Lam was aware of problems.
Gonzaies Perjury Count=43
on carol lam “she’s gonna have a lotta fans” clearly one of his talking points
RevDeb @ 186
IIRC, YES!
F: On at length about Lam’s achievements. Letter says immigration not a top priority. In Aug I recieved a letter just prior to Lam’s firing - that said prosecutions for imm. are rising sharply - the letter goes on - this is in response to an inquiry I made - that all was well. And also, no one expressed concerns to Lam
G: yes, she’s distinguished. She’s was acutely aware that we had concerns. She had letters form members of congress. Wrt letter, I wasn’t aware of letter, I made decision to ask for her resignation. She (and the othres) did good work, but we wanted improvements for gun prosecutions and immigration pros.
(the gun thing is so opportunist. Craven.)
kdh22 @ 134
Is this the Attorney General, or is this Sgt. Schultz? I know nothing, nothing!
pseudonymous in nc @ 175
Heh heh heh… yeah, true. Sad and worthy of heads rolling, but true.
Yay: DiFi bringing up the support that Siedel provided Lam for her meeting with Issa and Tancredo, justifying her performance.
One part of the DOJ was overtly working to back her, another part was conspiring to sack her.
Good. Feinstein invalidates the argument that CongressMEN disapproved of Lam’s performance.
Feinstein just eviserated him on Lam.
Gives a list of Lam’s accomplishments. Then slams the door shut with; All is fine on the Western Front.
ABU: She’s a wonderful person, but……………..
This is embarassing.
“this was a very important border district.”
Sure was. The district was bordering on lawlessness thanks to Cunningham, Lewis and Doolittle.
*lights hookah*
*grins*
Oh god, recess then CORNYN, my esteemed (not so much) senator. Blech.
10 minute break.
Cornhole next after 10 minute recess.
KDH- I just exhaled, aahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!
Did you hear Abu on the mike, “This was about Lam.”
the bell rings and Abu limps to his corner!
You can tell when he switches into “I practiced this” mode
Abu is giving Blithering Idiots throughout the world a bad name.
The jig is up Abu/W/Shooter/Karl: after having only a fraction of your bullshit exposed, the American people have concluded that you have trashed the entire US government and that you cannot be trusted with anything of import to the US.
awful lot of jumping around wrt “it was Sampson” and “that’s why I decided”….
10-minute break for Gonzo to change his underwear and Hatch to refill his slime reservoir.
AG-Lam got letters from congress about her immigration record.
Yes, some of the signers were people she was investigating.
LIVE on CNN-the break is over, the cspan link is about 10 minutes delayed.
I’m gonna try to sober up during the break, it’s gonna be a long day
CNN now analyzing
Senators are “up to here” with his shenanigans.
COLORADO BOB @ 185
My mic tech would slap him in the back of his head.
break.
*fills hookah*
*grins*
sen. feinstein:
. . .re carol lam — her steelar record,
then on to the documents re investigating
republicans. . . did anyone ever talk to
her about immigration cases being sub-par
in her district?
january 2 — litany of meeting with issa. . .
cordial. . . then, what is the reason
for her dismissal?
Sorry, break isn’t over yet, but it will be very soon.
nolo @ 22
That would nolo @ 22
Hell only a third of the American people have any confidence in congress
snowbird42 @ 202
yup - his voice lowers and the delivery smooths out with few qualifications
My computer locked up for a bit there. Good thing for the break. Gives me a chance to see what I missed.
Oooh, Isn’t this fun? :)
Wouldn’t this be a good time for a new thread?
In other news:
The cheese finally slips off of McCain’s cracker.
-GSD
They need to pin him down on the WH involvement questioning.
They need to ask him if he communicated with the WH using the RNC email accounts.
They need to ask him if he possesses an RNC blackberry.
They need to ask him if Rove ever visited the DOJ.
Did anyone notice the outline of a box under his coat? I’m picturing Unka Karl sitting in a stinky van drinking cold coffee and farting
Just got back from taking the kid to school, so sorry if this has already been conveyed.
Pacifica Radio is broadcasting this hearing. In Los Angeles, it’s on KPFK. If you know someone who wants to follow along and doesn’t have other access, call them or e-mail them.
And…GO Diane! Good Questions! (and after yesterday’s personal rights setback, did we think she was going to be in a good mood today?)
on break ,”for the AMERICAN peons “(gonzo)
this is a joke he;s had weeks apon weaks and he still acting like he got no clue total bull shit
Now he keeps saying the document,, do show any thing. BUT where the E-Mail from the RNC sever?Could they show what really happen,,,,
kdh22 @ 176
sorry to be obtuse. DiFi lays out the record for the public. That’s what hearings are all about. No one should let these guys have a platform to spin their lies. She makes it so obvious that they fired Carol Lam for political reasons. Hope she goes further (unless she already did - I may have missed it) and details the lies about alien smuggling and this not being about Duke Cunningham and Co. The viewers need to hear the whole story.
29 times, according to Pacifica Radio, has Albo said “I don’t recall.”
I Do Not Recall= I am following orders
In my mind= It’s hard to get a man to think otherwise in this maladministration
This man is a travesty= I was only following orders
What a joke. Voltaire would have a field day with this fodder!
Some break time reading:
Gonzales to plead insanity at Senate hearing
I wonder if some Senator or other will ask Abu, if the fact that some of the congresscritters she was investigating for corruption were source of the complaints against this wonderful perosn carol lam?
Cornyn??
*hack* *cough* snort…giggle
GSD @ 218
What a grotesque fool, you don’t blow your nose in front of a crowd like that EWWWWWW
Now wasn’t that presidential?
They need to ask him how often he met with Goodling about WH directions and what was discussed.
If he keeps going the bonfire will be visible from outer space with the naked eye…
snowbird42 @ 203
You are so on target snowbird
snowbird42 @ 204
No kidding - if only they didn’t limit the Dems to 10 min for questions, Abu would be hyper-ventilating himself into a coma by now
What’s this they’re showing on CSPAN? Is this a rehash of his opening statement?
carolyn urban @ 192
CRAVEN, they’ll be puttin Abu’s pic right next to the definition
You’re a lying sack of crap, you’re a lying sack of crap, you’re a lying steaming , stinking, nasty, sack of liquid crap!!!
Anything on a new thread yet?
“You can’t do what he’s doing which is to accept the responsibility, but not the blame.”
She said she’s been speaking to both D and R Senators during the break and they all seem to be rather sad.
Female interviewer just saying this on NPR radio.
I’m watching on the Senate Judiciary site when I can:
http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearing.cfm?id=2632
Why in HELL isn’t this being broadcast on public radio so I could listen to it outside?
I can’t sit at computer today, have to work!
Thanks sooo much for the liveblogging FDL, I’d miss it ALL if not for this.
shorter Gonzales: “I am not a crook!”
And shorter Gonzales reworked to reflect his lack of recollection: “I am not a crook, am I?”
Come on Feinstein has some questions of integrity and honesty herself. I don’t care if she is a Democrat.
Profitting from a war and then sitting on as the chairperson of MILCON, is seriously questionable behaviour.
Senator Feinstein could you explain why it took you so long to resign from your obvious “conflict of interest” chairperson post of MILCON?
http://www.metroactive.com/met…..-0712.html
Oh God, the Rank Cornholio will probably be up next. Let me get my TP to throw at him.
TiredFed @ 221
I know very little about DiFi. I know even less about the husband and war connection, but lived in WI and learned about Herb and his family. What I’ve seen from DiFi so far, I’ve liked. Receptive to any info you might supply.
kathleen @ 240
It’s not about Feinstein, weird as she is. We’ll get to her later. We need her. For now.
jinny @ 237
Which is a dodge, of course. To accept responsibility, one must accept blame, and consequences. To pretend it can be otherwise is to prove oneself a fraud.
People talking in the background, telling Abu to resign.
Leahy lecture on decorum again. They’re B-A-C-K!
Leahy: “You men can’t fight like that in here! This is the WAR ROOM!!”
Cornyn starting his reach around now.
LJ/Aquaria @ 243
I completely disagree!
haha. I just noticed the graphic. I had that toast last night! hope it’s prophetic.
KestrelBrighteyes @ 238
See previous comments….broadcasting on Pacifica Radio.
LJ/Aquaria @ 245
Giving him a full Wolfowitz.
-GSD
Not to disagree with Leahy, but maybe if something had been done before this, passions wouldn’t be so high that people are hollering in a Senate hearing.
Cornholio: Trying to get impartial cred and throwing a softball by getting on Abu’s case about his “mistakes.” What would he do differently.
They’re back.
bill, not -bill @ 220
If he was a Cyranoid, he wouldn’t be this pathetic.
No Senator Lehey, Abu Gonzalez would like to have his opponents in the gallery restricted to a “free speech zone” in western Kentucky.
Abu” things I would have done differently? Had deputy more involved. Told sampson who to speak to but would have known who to speak to. Would not have taken two years. woulda/shoulda had face-to-face with all attys with DAG or me.
Hello Abu, I can’t stop thinking about last night!!!
Please don’t feed the trolls.
kathleen @ 249
Then you do, but what do you plan to do about her? She has the office now. Want to remove her? Do something about it.
another rehearsed answer spewing forth…
Gonzo: Coulda, shoulda, woulda. Three most useless words of English language.
Cornyn: What could you have done better?
Gonzales: I should have actually done my job.
asked what he would have done differently
answer: everything, I s*cked because I got caught and couldn’t pass the buck
LJ/Aquaria @ 253
You’re feeding a concern troll i believe…
In the golden days of Congressional hearings, it was members of Organized Crime who took the Fifth or mumbled repeatedly, “I don’t recall.” If I were Gonzales, I’d start worrying about other aspects of mob history repeating itself. I hear that Jerry Jones is building a new football stadium in Dallas….
What was the answer to DI FI’s patriot act questions?
Cornyn snaps on his rubber gloves and slathers on the Astro Glide in preparation.
-GSD
USA’s want to report to you because, duh, you’re the boss, Abu. Not some political hack in your office.
jayt @ 261
that’s for sure
no time to make link
Please Visit the Donations Links Upthread !!!
and of course, ah yes . . .the Clenis
Abu: A formal evaluation process is unfair to the Prez. Cuz if the review says the USA is doing a great job, the prez can’t fired him/her.
jon kyl, clinton fired 93 USAs. how original
Oooh… Cornholio said injecting. Freudian slip there?
but, but but President Clinton
Ah Cornhole with the reach around— no evidence. Preznit can do whatever he damn well pleases.
Cornhole - what about Clinton? Uh, is he still in office?
oh no he di’int
Clinton blah blah blah
GSD @ 268
I think he’d prefer not to use the rubber gloves
Anyone watching the news? What’s the (cough) consensus on how he’s doing?
GSD @ 252
That was code pink calling Feinstein “Mrs. America” and questioning her integrity”
Coryn - I’m struggling to understand - how pres Clinton replaced 93 attorneys in one fell swoop - so, if there’s no evidence, and i haven’t heard any, that these USAs weren’t replaced to interfere in ongoing investigations, then, whatsa problem?
Coryn - throwing McNulty under the bus
Cornyn asking if performance based rationale’s being injected? WHAT performance based rationales? THAT’s the damn problem, there ARE no rationales.
Abu: That’s the talking point for sure.
have not been watching the Republic side. anyone getting the feeling yet that they are throwing Gonzo under the bus?
Cornyn: Since Clinton did the same thing, and since nothing wrong happened here, may I take you out and buy you a daqueri, Mr. Gonzales?
I haven’t seen any evidence. Of course, I don’t read and keep my hands over my ears when something distyrbings is said…
Helen @ 281
Texans never sell out other Texans, but that’s obvious, right, Shrub?
Elliott @ 279
or the astro glide
I wonder where these two are gonna meet to frolic in the after glow!!
Abu talking about leadership and management skills as if he as any!
My audio is cutting out on CSPAN. Grrrr….
Ah. Abu: Should have defined performance. Uh…
kathleen @ 281
Your Feinstein obsession is rapidly pulling you off the topic of the thread.
“Performance related” now being defined out of existence.
Abu: not bad lawyer or bad manager just nor right person at this time.
That makes less sense than usual.
Fresh thread going here. Again a reminder — please try to slow up on the comments to help with the server and the liveblogging. Thanks.
Frank Probst @ 280
News? What news? There isn’t any news other than weird pics from VT.
needing to define preformance related?!!
Gonzo didn’t memorize his official answer very well. Cornyn’s worried that Gonzo may try to ad lib, so now he’s feeding him his line.
Tap Duncan @ 290
They like that little field of blue flowers that Bush and the Saudi King like to saunter through.
-GSD
Tap Duncan @ 290
lunch
Please please i hope that the next dem is a good questioner
Waiting for someone to ask AGAG about the columns on Kyle’s spreadsheet.
Npr pointed out that Gonzo drew his own line from Domenici to Iglesias.
Corny bringing up border patrol agents jailed now.
Helen @ 283
They want McNulty out before the A*P*C trial, cast some clouds
new thread
Cornyn: Since I don’t want to talk about the matter at hand, what about them thar illegal immigrants?
Capital J @
299
I wouldn’t be surprised if he started holding up cue cards.
GSD @
218
When you get a chance, pups, watch this video! McCain is TOAST! Fuck the VFW!
Link to new thread here
Tap Duncan @
52
i know that there are some parts of Utah that are beautiful. why are you there?
In repsonse to Fiengold’s question:
Gonzo: “I endeavor to be truthful.”
Gonzo is so full of truthiness and lies!!!
I wish the GOoPers on the committee would ask him the kind of questions they’d ask, say, Janet Reno, if she were before the committee.
kathleen, please, Feinstein is not the subject here. So put your ‘war crimes’ charges away. (It would be, in any case, her husband, and war profiteering, which is not at all the same thing. just saying, since you won’t be paying attention this time either.)
He did it! He just gave the Libby defense - I was SO busy I can’t remember the meeting.
Unbelievable - literally!
Abu’s gonna “institutionalize” better communications with the prosecutors?
Who does he think he is, George Bush?
questioning is not getting to the issues:
1. who gave ideas for policy (he doesn’t know)
2. why is information continuing to be withheld
3. why talk with karl rove at all about this stuff
4. why can’t remember just a few months ago on some things but remember clearly on other things
5. not about alberto gonzalez but the white house who is really behind this, like libby
isn’t it sad that we let the death of habeus corpus, the legitimization of torture, etc, pass unchecked, but we get him on this issue, and even here …
What has happened that Abu is being thrown under the bus…only thing that comes to mind is the idea floated last week by Dems to give Monica Goodling limited immunity…then made them really suffer by delaying any action on it. There may be a real fear if she lets go and burying Abu may be the only thing they can think of now to try to keep the path to their front door from being trampled.
Did Alberto just say that these hearings are not about Alberto Gonzales? And did the Senators just sit there like stumps? America, America…
Quzi.
I caught that, too.
How can one endeavourto be truthful?
either you are, or you ain’t.
gonzo has tells, as in you can tell when he is bluffing. the stuttering and i can’t recalls aside, notice that his best answers are always prefaced with (the arrogant comment), “that’s a good question …”
he is obviously a bush lackey, it’s just so sad that it will come as a longterm price, because we know that when democrats enter office habeus corpus will remain suspended, etc…