
(Polaroid snapshot via williac.)
This could not be more wrong:
It is enough to make some reporters bristle. "Some of them seem to want us to hate the people we cover," said Ken Herman, a White House correspondent for Cox Newspapers and an association board member. "They don’t seem to understand that you can have a professional relationship with them where you don’t hate them, and you can sometimes talk to them, and maybe have dinner with them."
As an attorney, the dichotomy between your professional stance and your personal friendship can become blurred as well, outside the courtroom, because you see the same folks around the courthouse, you get to know how their kids are doing in college and how their wife's chemo is going and so on. As time goes on, you become friends with even the most bitter of professional rivals. You can't help it — it is human nature. But you do not, for a second, give the other counsel a pass within the courtroom or during negotiations or anything else simply because you know them. Why? Because it would be unprofessional as hell — you do your job, to the fullest extent possible, and with as much intensity and dedication to your client's position as you can muster. Otherwise, you are committing professional malpractice.
And, with all due respect to Mr. Herman who has been around the journalistic block for a while now: far too many journalists have been committing journalistic malpractice. And they need to face that fact.
The reason blogs and plain old average folks (let's call them subscribers or readers or consumers of your journalistic product, shall we?) are pissed off? Because, as your clients, their needs took a backseat to your own personal need to maintain a happy relationship with your new pals at the Bush White House and in the GOP leadership in Congress. So the tough questions got shoved to the side for far too long and the relationship building became of paramount interest – which served the Bush Administration interests, but left the public out in the cold. It is what the Bushies encouraged because it served their purposes to have a docile media pool who was afraid to ask anything remotely difficult for fear of being shut out of the briefing room. And you fell for it, hook, line and stinker.
You allowed the Bush Administration to dictate the terms of access and of how you should or should not do your job, all the while forgetting that you are the one in the relationship who buys ink by the barrel and thus actually hold the power of digging at the truth at your fingertips.
There is a reason that Dan Froomkin had to write out a primer for basic journalistic principles on the Neiman site not too long ago: because far too many journalists inside the Beltway were so busy trying to keep their jobs, they had forgotten how to DO their jobs. (Apologies to Aaron Sorkin and Rob Reiner for stealing an American President line, but it was too perfect a fit.) Maybe the idea that a "recovering reporter" reader had is the way to go — rotate journalists in and out of the Beltway, so they are not constantly steeped in the weird "go along to get along" attitude that permeates so much of the atmosphere there.
You want to know what we want? We want you to do your jobs. It is that simple.
Your whole job, not just the bit that makes you look good on camera or gets you a byline whether or not you've reported the whole story. Take a page from Charlie Savage's book: the man just won a Pulitzer for refusing to back down on a story that needed to be dug into, and that few if any journalists bothered to pick up on even after his reporting kept uncovering more and more egregious behavior. In a situation which cried out for oversight and answers, the ball was well and truly dropped — except by Charlie who was deservedly rewarded for doing his job. Why not take his example and run with it for a while? How about that as a step in the right direction?
And while we are at it, try listening to Jay Rosen (who was also quoted in the NYTimes article with Herman): the false equivalency given to factually inaccurate crap has got to stop. If the public official with whom you are speaking is trying to sell you a load of bullshit, it is okay to call it manure. In fact, it is accurate to do so. As Jay says, too many journalists over the past few years have "lapsed into a phony kind of balance." If the facts do not support it, you aren't doing yourself any favors by pretending that both sides of an argument are equal. That is not balance, it is just phony.
There are any number of journalists who did not fall into this trap — but far too many did, and still do, and it is incumbent upon each of them to ask themselves whether or not this applies to their own work. Your audience expects you to do your job, to follow the story wherever it leads, even if that makes things uncomfortable. Fewer quail wings, more meaty investigative reporting. What do you say?
(And while I'm on the Pulitzer kick, huge kudos to Brent Blackledge (via Attytood) who also understands that public corruption is bad and that the facts — all the facts –need to be exposed to a heap of sunlight. Good on ya!)
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Whatta ya know? ZED?
first?
zed? And I even read the post
fourth!
dang…oh well! Morning Christy!
But not quickly enough, apparently.
“(Apologies to Rob Reiner for stealing an American President line, but it was too perfect a fit.)”
Aaron Sorkin wrote The American President. Rob Reiner directed. Crediting Reiner for the dialog … it’s a little like quoting you, but crediting your web designer instead.
Obviously OT and a nit, but what’s wrong with properly crediting the writer for writing?
With kind regards,
Dog, etc.
searching for home
Good Morning everyone
Mornin’ Christy! Great post. Just FYI, Reiner directed American President, Aaron Sorkin wrote it…
We need legislation to change the MSM. We need the fairness doctrine. And we need to prevent companies like GE from owning TV networks that broadcast news.
You said it…
Nothing drives me more crazy that this…
The other side of this is that the neoCons have declared msm to be Left-wing and now choose to ignore everything they say. In other words, because the facts that the msm puts out there doesn’t agree with their crazy arguments, it must not be the facts, so they ignore it, and they preach as much to their base.
The BBC are called “lefties” by the neoCons because they asked tough questions about the war in Iraq. In other words, they called Perle and Cheney and Rummy and even Powell on their lies. They were just asking questions, and when they got spin back, they kept asking the same question. These guys would just get mad and tell the BBC that they were out to get them. You can hear the African dictators on the BBC following the same argument these days, to the letter.
Morning Christy!
“Fewer quail wings…” LUV IT!
oh, nicele done, Christy!!!!
Oops — misremembered and was thinking it was Reiner who wrote it. Should have remembered it was Sorkin. Updated above, thanks.
of course, if I weren’t so busy stuffing a bagel in my mouth, I would’ve typed “nicely” correctly.
*sigh*
watertiger—
We always think you type nicely :)
Can someone give me the low down on Senate activities? At work, no access.
I’m wondering why this took so long to happen. You know that bit about power corrupting & all.
Tangentially related, and an ironic unintended consequence of women’s lib, is this list of sizzlingest DC couples: http://www.washingtonmonthly.c…..chart.html
Apropos of this, the premiere episode tonight of the new Bill Moyers series is “Buying the War: How Did the Mainstream Press Get It So Wrong?” Should be very interesting.
OT
I am trying get the House Judiciary committee
because:
but seems like nothing is happening. Any ideas?
egr — did I see from downstairs that you’re in London? green with envy…pls give London my regards!
Morning, Christy.
From the NYTimes link above:
Beltway MSM was completely blindsided by Colbert’s roast, and for weeks afterward, was still trying to comprehend it, and in a few instances, misinterpreted it.
Yes, this “relationship” (if you want to call it that) between Beltway politicans and MSM is too cozy.
AAAH just started at the House Judiciary
Good morning from L.A.
Excellent post, CHS.
OT- CNN, MSNBC, etc. are wall-to-wall covering the VT shootings from every possible angle this a.m.; been watching it for several hrs. now. I can’t believe they’re missing another huge killing spree- 4x as many killed.
Oh wait, that one happened in Baghdad…
LoudounLib @ 21
There’s a man here with several corgis wanting to know how to contact Christy for dogsitting.
So, which is it, LoudounLib or LondonLib?
OT, but thought it needed to be mentioned.
And the beat goes on in Iraq this morning:
More than 80 killed in market bombing today
Schrodinger’s Cat is a thought experiment used in physics that demonstrates how the very process of observation can impact dramatically a situation and outcomes. Theoretically, a live cat is put into a sealed box through which the observer cannot detect by their 5 senses the condition of the cat.
Is the cat alive? is the cat dead? Is it possible the cat is both alive and dead? There’s only one way to tell definitively, and that’s opening the box, ending the experiment and reviving the cat or finding the dead one, utterly disrupting all outcomes.
But that’s what reporting does; it opens the box. Just doing that much affects the disposition of the matter being observed; if this is all it takes, merely opening the box on a story to affect outcome, why in God’s name do reporters insist on becoming further entangled in the story by deliberately inveigling themselves in relationships of any kind with their subjects? Why would they not consciously seek to remain separate and attached, doing the least amount to disturb what they are observing and reporting?
Makes no sense to me at all.
But perhaps I wouldn’t trust Turdblossom not to poison the quail wings, either.
When is Judy Miller going to get her Pulitzer Prize taken away from her for reporting on WMD that were not there! That would make more than a few reporters take journalist ethics seriously.
SCOTUS just upheld congressional ban on partial birth abortion.
Nice post Redd. Why the journalists can’t seem to understand your simple (but not simplistic) point, I’ll never know. Today, if a reporter alluded that the earth was round, s/he would feel duty-bound to print the contrary opinion of a flat-earth society rep. Are reporters now so unsure of what the facts are that it is no longer possible for them to uncover and report facts?
OT-Christy, explain something to me. The bill to allow the U.S. to negotiate for lower prescription drugs was just rejected because they couldn’t get the 60 votes required.
Why isn’t a simple majority enough?
Sorry to do this .. I have been one to HATE these no-comment comments … but:
GREAT work! Great article.
eCAHNomics @ 29
OhCrap. So it begins… more likely, continues.
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EmbraceYourInnerCrone @ 26
157
nomolos @ 20
conyers is LIVE NOW,
a real-video feed — talking on
goodling — to vote in a moment.
running down representations to congress,
via paul mcnulty — “inaccurate. . .”
I reread some of Ken Herman’s recent articles, and now my head hurts badly. They’re chock full of “he said, she said” goodness. Worse, there’s no depth of analysis. Why, for example, is Leahy so upset about lost emails? Why is McCain attacking Democrats. Why is Perino’s revelation that “we screwed up” such a big deal? Kenny never gets around to telling his readers.
In the old days I’d read an article “crafted” by somebody like Herman and then do some additional research to figure out what was really happening. Today I cut out the middle man and go right to the blogosphere. Any given firedoglake entry contains as much “news” and far more thoughtful analysis.
No wonder papers are dying.
You rock, Christy! Great post!
And folks, here’s the real problem:
Is this assclown one of the guys who got the ‘doggie bag’ from Mr. Pigboy Rove? What planet to these morons live on?
Oh….yeah, Planet Access.
Well, one thing we do know. Readership and viewership of the corporatist media is headed down. While readership of Left Blogistan is headed up.
Maybe this blockhead can figure out what that means.
But I tend to doubt it.
It has ever been thus.
During H2Ogate, the National press corp couldn’t be bothered with covering the “third-rate burglary.” I don’t remember all the pundits names from that era, but I’m thinking the Alsops were pretty representative and I recall them being fairly negative about Woodward and Bernstein’s writing and reporting.
Notice, it took a reporter for the Boston Globe to win the Pulitzer this year.
conyers proposing immunity
under 18 UCS 6005:
“subpoena to issue under compulsion. . .”
use immunity — wow.
one week deferral on
the step of granting immunity. . .
agreed to by conyers. . .
so, next wed., 25 april 2007.
rep. sanchez on now:
“shifting explanations. . .
evidence that usa’s may have
been fired for their role in
investigating republican corruption. . .”
christy,
your post is EXACTLY right. what happens in washington, the biggest of all company towns, is that journalists FORGET who they are supposed to be writing for.
they think they are writing for their washington colleagues or their sources. they actually forget they are writing for people who do not live or work within the same limited bubble these folks spend their careers in.
thus you get situations where reporters shrug off items like the failure, years ago, to point out newt gingrich’s own troubled mariage history while the speaker was wailing on about family values and clinton morals. “that’s out there,” they sniffed. “everybody knows that.”
except of course, not everybody did. just within the bubble.
this occurs repeatedly — when bill frist was point person on capitol hill for the medicaid “reform” plan, reporters failed to mention that his brother and father were the top executives of a healthcare company that had been fines hundreds of millions of dollars for medicaid fraud. “that’s out there. everyone knows that.”
or even as recently as the libby case — “everyone knows valerie plame was at the c.i.a.” — a lie, of course, but a lie told because the explanation it tried to masquerade as was supposedly good enough to offer as an excuse.
any time you hear that excuse, yuo know one thing: some reporter isn’t doing his or her job.
nolo—I observe that you frequently apologize for being off topic. But imho you are bringing us totally on topic material, and thank you for that.
And prodigious too…keep up the good work.
ms. goodling’s testimony
will be essential — i hope
the republicans will support. . .
getting to the truth. . .
end of rep. sanchez.
solai @ 31
Not Christy but it’s a “filibuster” and requires 60 votes to “break.” Due to revised rules from a couple of decades ago, filibusters no longer require 67 votes to break but also no longer require the pertinent senators to stand up and talk about anything and everything for hours on end. Which is why Strom Thurmond still holds the “record” for filibuster at something over twenty plus hours straight iirc.
Rayne
Re your comment @71 in the previous thread, there is at least one company, Discovery Solutions, that will do the work very quickly, especially if the materials come in in electronic form. Essentially, they eliminate duplications and I think they can do something with threaded e-mails. It is expensive, but a lot cheaper in e-form.
republican member yammering on –
now talking about ted olson. . .
make me throw up in my mouth a little. . .
SCOTUS has ruled the ban on partial birth abortions is constitutional.
solai @ 10
AMEN TO THAT!
dakine01 @ 47
So, it’s dead? Our senior citizens are stuck paying these ridiculous prices for their rx for 2 more years?
excellent response from
california democrat:
“goodling’s attorney asserted
fifth — we are not ‘casting
aspersions’. . . in noting this
fact. . .”
dakine01 @ 40
It’s been that way even longer. Think cheerleading Iraq was an anomaly. The press swallowed all the bull about Vietnam, hook, line and sinker. They stayed on the side of the government, even longer than they have this time.
My husband was a journalism major in college. He walked away from it, because he knew he’d be stuck with the Sewer and Garbage detail forever, simply because he wouldn’t fudge facts for the advertisers. He realized, pretty early on, that the job of reporters isn’t to tell the truth; it’s to sell newspapers. He was the only one who knew that answer when a journalism professor asked it on the first day of class.
In Salon today, Glenn Greenwald has a brilliant analysis of how conventional Beltway wisdom is constructed by lazy MSM journalists (from time to time interrupted by “quail wings” and White House Correspondents roast-dinners):
Last year around this time I encountered a Wall Street Journal columnist at the smoking lounge of De La Concha on Sixth Avenue near 57th Street in Manhattan, and I asked him why in hell all the MSM reporters five or six years ago appeared to be simply repeating all the spin and BS and Rovian talking points that the Bush Administration employed to get us into this horrid Iraq fiasco. I asked him why only the left-wing bloggers were able to see what really was going on. He got angry. VERY angry. Bloggers? How in hell can you trust anything these people write? They haven’t any of the resources the MSM reporters have at their disposal. They have no clue what good journalistic practices are. They never fact check, and nobody fact checks for them. It’s absurd! Whoa, I said. There are a bunch of LAWYERS on sites like Firedoglake and the Last Hurrah, and there is Glenn Grenwald. He cut me off, with angry impatience. “You can’t generalize.” I said I wasn’t doing that, I was just citing the fact that these lawyers were getting the REAL story that the MSM was failing miserably to do. “You can’t generalize,” he repeated. Now, there was just no way for me to succeed with this guy. He was extremely aggressive, and obviously had tremendous contempt for what I was saying. He in effect shouted me down. Now, that was a year ago. I suspect that there are still a lot of people like him–content in their positions, their big salaries, their connections. They are like Bush. They simply will NOT listen to any contradiction of their behavior, or should I say profound malpractice. As for my encounter with the WSJ guy, I wish I could have stood up to him better. I wish I could have told him, listen, bud, I’m the customer here! Your whole job is to provide a product that I consume! And why in HELL are you giving me a hard time when I complain to you about the product your’e producing? Well, that wouldn’t have worked either because people like him don’t see their jobs that way. That’s what’s wrong with the whole bloody profession.
rep. sheila jackson lee:
“. . .it is imperative to
unearth the truth at the white house. . .
. . . we are bound, constitutionally, to
exercise oversight. . . we are doing our
job, without casting stones. . .”
Y’know? Of course. Sorry to interrupt your conversation here to go back to the actual post, but of course. It just makes me unhappy to hear a reporter say, “Some of them seem to want us to hate the people we cover.” I mean, yeah, that’s probably true for some people, there are extreme elements to any position. But mostly we want reporters to ask hard questions, unfettered by the concern over whether it’ll make tomorrow’s dinner social uncomfortable.
dmg @ 44
They’ve forgotten nothing, and they’re writing for who they’re supposed to be writing for. We’re the only ones who are deluded into thinking they write for us. It’s not for us. It’s for the advertisers. They’re the ones who fund newspapers. The publisher only cares about keeping us reading to sell advertising space. Subscribers pay only a fraction of their revenue. See what will happen if a paper takes on a major advertiser with a negative story. It is never, ever pretty.
Hear, hear on this post Christy! Also, thanks for remembering Sorkin is the man who puts the words into the mouths of the actors, not the director. Some of us are losing our writing liveihoods because nobody seems to know this simple fact, which Hollywood directors have been only too happy to have covered up (not Reiner BTW).
solai @
52
Not “dead” per se, but maybe in reality. I assume there are still all sorts of negotiations going on in the back rooms to get it broken. But things may not truly break until we can elect a filibuster proof majority in ‘08 and make Mr McConnell/Chao, R-Big Bidness as truly marginal in fact as he is in intellect.
Jesus,
128 dead in Baghdad today. I don’t want to take away the sadness of VT, but this is awful. And clearly the surge is having zero effect.
and just when you thought some of the blogs were above all of this
The Huffington Enquirer?
The HuffingtonPost is trashing Edwards in a very catty post on their blog today, I was so disappointed that Ms. Huffington is letting her posters take the tabloid tack in the 2008 Presidential campaign. Anyone who reads my posts on the Democratic presidential blog or some of the other campaign blogs like “The Fix” know who I support. But I have very deliberately kept my own personal Presidential campaign loyalties limited when I post here, because I think the dialogue here at FDL typically rises above partisan pandering. I have also depended on the Huff Post, for a long, long, time for a variety of meaningful perspectives. But this Edwards post reeks of personal political propaganda, and I took the Huffpost off my own personal bloglist because I was so disappointed.
I am all for a serious debate about ANY candidate, even the ones I support. But to stopp to criticizing Edwards paying “too much”for his haircuts only ignores the fact there’s at least one poor hairdresser out there who can pay her rent a little easier this month.
One can only speculate (quite easily) “cui bono” from this trash-talk. Did Hillary hire Rove to manage her campaign? Sure seems like it if this is any indicator. Unfortunately, when the people who you thought you can trust to call other people hypocrites become hypocrites, where do we go to find journalists we can trust?
FDL admins, commentors and posters, just a note of thanks for being reliably critical, of all the BS, not just the BS you pick and choose.
IT’S ALL ABOUT ME -
I have been an avid news reader, and semi-political junkie my whole life (Don’t ask! Too many years to own up to).
One of the things which annoys me and many other intelligent readers is how journalists and their editors LOVE TO TALK ABOUT THEMSELVES and their kind.
This is constructive to a point. BUT, when the newspaper and or a journalist becomes the story, the readers really turn that off. No one likes to hear someone talk about themselves. Journalists don’t seem to get this, in general.
Related to this, is how wonderful the blogosphere is.. as well as a threat to journalisms hubris and borderline arrogance: They can no longer practice Lacuna Journalism, skewing the story by what they leave out.
This is especially important because 10 years or so ago newspapers would practice this on the Ed Letters page…
For example: Our local newspaper – Circ maybe 30,000 – would take the election season and be very blatant about taking some red-neck, 10th grader letter making very outlandish, ignorant positions and publish it to represent the position the paper was adamantly against.
Then, on the same page the position they favored would be covered by intelligent, well written Ed Letter writers, usually with well known names respected in the community.
This is the threat represented by blogs. The reader should be able to pick through ALL the position papers to choose that which most aligns with his position, and or his opponents position.
Our local paper is owned by the Jim Cox Kennedy family of Atlanta, and is a rabid, slanted, demeaning rag, which tries to run the local political scene. I presume this attitude is rampant in Cox News, as JCK used to manage this one when he got out of college. Mommy bought him a paper so he could learn the dark art of skewing the political scene, instead of reportage.
Now, it is the people’s turn.
GeorgeSimian @11
Excellent point and the biggest reason why there is nothing that brings me to the boiling point faster than spineless msm handmaidens spewing BS about providing “balance.” This is the same pile of steaming BS we were just discussing on the PBS thread.
LJ/Aquaria @ 59
your take is part of the story, certainly a large part where smaller papers are concerned, but it’s not the whole story.
let’s just stipulate that there is a confluence of reasons why journalists don’t do their jobs, and both yours and mine fall within that set.
The Jim Rutenberg piece in the Times today shows that he hasn’t a clue. He is gently praising of Rich Little, and chafes at the disappointingly unfunny Mr. Colbert. He saves his understated venom for Bloggers, whom he seems to think are all lefties with more bile than brains, and who couldn’t write their way out of the proverbial plastic bag.
Mr. Rutenberg needs to get out once in a while. If he ever wants to learn to be a reporter, I’m sure Christy would give him a few pointers.
LJ/Aquaria @
54
My sister retired a couple of years ago. She majored in English rather than journalism but wound up not getting her degree. She’s in NH and covered a lot of politicians over the years but wound up going back to crime/courts/fire beat as it was cleaner. She stated many times that a newsroom may have liberals but most editors/publishers are conservatives and they make the rules on what goes in the paper. She also answered that same question correctly in her classes.
LJ/Aquaria @ 54
Press did not wholeheartedly swallow Vietnam BS. Remember Halberstam got it right from the getgo.
SEE THINKPROGRESS FOR SUPREME COURT DECISION UPHOLDING FEDERAL BAN ON PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION. RUTH BADER GINSBURG’S DISSENT IS BLISTERING, BUT MR. BUSH AND SAMMY ALITO GOT THERE WAY.
[Modnote, please don’t shout/caps, thank you]
democrats:
. . .as a former justice department
employee, myself, it deeply concerns me
when an attorney in the justice department,
refuses to comply with an investigation. . .
and it is appropriate to be concerned when
sucha lawyer pleads the fifth .. .
My experience in the media room listening to mainstream journalists covering the Libby trial is that they are eager to cover stories but thwarted early and often by people higher up. For what it’s worth. And they were SICK of covering as they called it “her” [ANS death/corpse news o the day]
“newsroom may have liberals but most editors/publishers are conservatives..”
Which is why any juicy story exposing Republican corruption or describing horrendous conditions in Iraq gets such an impotent headline and below-the-fold, inner-page placement these days.
“The Fix” is in…
JEP–gmta
I owe you a coke probably.
dmg @ 65
It’s true in large markets, too, much bigger than people realize. In fact, the stakes can be much bigger, because the larger papers have more influence.
This isn’t all of what’s fueling this problem. But it’s a big part of it, because the publishers are in bed with a lot of the people that their journalists are getting access to. It’s all part of the same cloth.
Perfect, Christy. And wouldn’t this country be a much better place if people just did their jobs.
Really that’s been the issue with congress as well. All we really want is for them to do their jobs. Day in and day out, have their actions demonstrate the ‘values’ they espouse on the campaign trail. Each and every day. On each and every vote. Before their vote is cast for them to think of who it is they are there to represent. Us. We the people.
If they had done so on the Iraq resolution (appropriately evaluating the data – or lack thereof and thinking of the long-term consequences), the 23 members of the senate who did do their jobs would not have been in the minority and we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in today.
We’d have universal heath care. We’d have an energy policy. Nola would be properly recovered. We’d have verifiable and publicly financed elections. We’d invest in our future by investing in education. We’d overhaul the personal and corporate tax systems. We’d have a country that we could be proud of, elections in which people would want to participate.
Yes, if people would only do their jobs.
John @56,
Brian Williams was just quoted as having the same disdain for bloggers. His comment was something like:
“There’s a guy in the Bronx named Vinny who has an opinion. He lives in his parent’s basement, wears a bathrobe all day and hasn’t been outside in years.”
That may not be exact, but it’s close.
And besides the slur against bloggers, I think there was an underlying racism betrayed by using the name ‘Vinny’. I think he wanted everyone to envision the slacker to be Italian.
Thoughts?
No vote on the Goodling matter.
Next week, apparently
rep. nadler:
“. . .if someone suggests
crimes were committed. . . when
we haven’t said so ourselves, when the
fifth-ranking justice department official
hints that crimes may have been committed,
we ought to seek answers about it. . .“
END OF HEARING.
LJ/Aquaria @ 59
Au contraire, LJ. It’s WE who have forgotten that corporate-owned media vehicles may believe they are the client and reporters their contracted service providers, but WE remain the ultimate source of all their income and validity.
I no longer take any papers except Sunday local news here, solely because it has advertising. I don’t even bother with the rest of the paper. I no longer get the NYT. I’ve dropped TNR. The only money I’ve given in the last year to media has been to Salon and to FireDogLake, and to my local NPR station. Were we to drop all media en masse and simply cover stories ourselves, I think there could be a sea change in corporate-owned media.
But I wouldn’t hold my breath; circulation of major papers has been going down for a long time, replaced by internet-based media, and the dead tree versions have failed to respond appropriately. Let’s just keep by-passing them and do our own research.
egregious @ 73
You got there “first!”
How much does a coke cost in your area?
One Pulitzer finalist that deserves special mention is the investigative team from the Virginian-Pilot of Norfolk, VA, whose series on Blackwater USA did an amazing job of explaining the genesis, tremendous growth and political ties of the mercenary/contract army presence not only in Afghanistan and Iraq — but also in New Orleans after Katrina. Kudos to Bill Sizemore and Joanne Kimberlin on their marvelous work!
John @ 56
Scary. Such self-centeredness.
This should just about say it all.
And, as Matt Taibbi relates: “A hopeless information junkie, he is permanently aroused by the idea that corruption and invisible power are always waiting to be uncovered by the next phone call. Somewhere out there, They are still hiding the story from Us — and that still pisses Hersh off.”
yellowdogD @ 77
This may all be a ploy to further scare AGAG.
egregious @ 45
s m i l e. . .
erh, thank you.
i would prefer not to interrupt other
peoples’ conversations to do this — that
is all — thanks for the sentiment. . .
A RESPONSE FROM MR. HERMANK TO MY EMAIL
“hermank@coxnews.com”
to me
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Ms. Smith,
Thanks for taking the time to contact me. Your views are important and well-expressed.
I do not think I have lost perspective. I can’t speak for others, but I have never been to one of the Washington cocktail parties that many Americans seem to think are where reporters spend a lot of time hanging out with the people we cover. I believe most reporters do maintain the detachment you correctly believe is vital. You can find the proof of that in the questions I and others ask at the daily briefings and presidential press conferences. I encourage you to look at the transcripts of those (available on whitehouse.gov website). Please use that information, as well as what we write, as the best evidence of how we do our jobs. I don’t think you will find us giving “people the benefit of the doubt that should not be given it.”
For me, the “dinner and drinks routine” you mention is a once-a-year event, at a dinner that is held to raise money for journalism scholarships and other journalism-related causes.
Thanks again for taking the time to contact me. I am glad that this means so much to you. Please be assured I share your concerns.
Ken
Mornin’ Christy. You and Scarecrow are really rawkin’ today…and for the MSM lurkers out there, see, this is how one achieves excellence in professionalism. You can do it, too.
Said earlier that Bush corrupts everything he touches, in regard to PBS…and DOJ. Obviously, the Bushies also corrupt those around them. Through bullying tactics of all stripes…nicknames and pushback with big lies and disingenuendo among ‘em.
The Bushies have been able to push their propaganda with the imprimateur of the MSM because the MSM allowed it.
There’s a whole lot of housecleaning to do…because the problem has seeped throughout government and the corporate-interest media. Embedded ideologues need rootin’ out in a whole lot of places.
Inside that bright’n’shiny Red delicious “apple” is a rotten, fetid core.
Be part of the solution…sunshine is a nifty disinfectant.
nolo @ 86
Interrupt away! You have the floor anytime you want.
We kid around about ‘do we have topics?’ but the material you are bringing here is urgent. Keep it up.
Bleah! I’d like to take these so-called reporters and shake them –
Wake up! The journalist’s touchstone used to be objectivity. Snuggling up to your subjects, or worse yet, sucking up to them totally blows your credibility.
I miss Peter Jennings, Walter Cronkite, and Charles Kuralt….
eCAHNomics @ 68
We had the lone wolves here and there for Iraq, too (Seymour Hersh, that old war dog). But, overall–cheerleading. Where were the major papers of the day, on either war? Firmly behind both, including Vietnam, until Tet and the Pentagon Papers. The left was shut out to about the same degree it was for Iraq and for Vietnam. You had a lot of centrists and war-groupies getting all the coverage, both times. The articles of both periods bear it out, and I’ve read enough of both to make me sick.
Not at all, Mr. Herman. We just want you to stop sucking up, ask the hard questions, follow up on good questions, and don’t let them feed you bullshit. When you catch them saying something inaccurate, nail them. Then, report to us.
For the record, this is not called hating. It’s called doing your job. Funny that you think they’re one and the same
OT…but encapsulizes the competency of people in and around the WH…From Reuters…
“Two Secret Service officers were injured on Tuesday after a gun held by another Secret Service officer accidentally fired inside the White House gate, according to a spokesman, Darrin Blackford….
One officer suffered a shrapnel wound to the face, and the other was wounded in the leg.
They were taken to George Washington Hospital.
Here we go again. On the road to Roe v. Wade overturn? Why would a non-wealthy woman vote GOP?
AP – The Supreme Court upheld the nationwide ban on a controversial abortion procedure Wednesday, handing abortion opponents the long-awaited victory they expected from a more conservative bench.
Don’t forget the power of the purse.
Whoever pays the reporters’ salaries will easily control what gets reported. Only those who print what the paymaster wants will get hired or stick around if already there. Even if the number of fired reporters is low, this type of threat is devastating in today’s environment of big media.
Besides that, the White House can always put a problem reporter on the “no fly” list to make their lives more difficult. Personally, I’d love to know why no one has challenged the “no fly” list as unconstitutional!
nolo – Thanks for the House proceedings. Appreciate it much!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 94
Worst thing that could actually happen to the right is complete overturn of Roe v Wade. Then no more boogeyman and stalking horse to raise money.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 94
This non-wealthy woman votes liberal.
kdh22 @ 98
Check that – votes Progressive
Morning. Ugh, what a morning.
I wake to hear more on my radio about the VT shootings and how there were warning signs about the shooter beforehand. Then, I hear that a Peace Corps volunteer who has been missing has been found dead. Then, the huge bombings in Iraq.
I go to get a cup o’ joe, caughing furiously with this cold that seems to only get worse. My husband says something that gets us in a tiff. Then, he trips while feeding the cats and hits his head (he’s okay, but pissed off).
I sit down with my coffee and read that the Supreme Court has ruled that a nationwide ban on some medical procedures is allowed.
Can I go back to bed now?
(Dayqil is starting to kick in, and kitty #2 is cuddling on my lap. Maybe it’ll be a good day after all).
OT: The Supreme Court has just upheld the Bush abortion ban. This ban will likely make it impossible to ontain an abortion after twelve weeks of pregnancy. This is a dark day in America and this decision will hurt and possibly kill many American women.
Jeebus, these people call themselves ‘reporters’?
I do QC for a living. I describe it as ‘QC ahs no friends’. Yes, I like the people I work with. I go out to lunch with them, I go to the cake-and-punch parties for them, but when I’m looking at their work, I’d almost rather not know whose work it is, so I can be fair.
sonate @ 93
OMG was Cheney involved?
Christy: I was so pissed off yesterday watching tv after I got home from work. I think it was David Gregory who was talking from the VT Campus and he was discussing Bush and he said something like “The president showed up here today and he has always seen fit to show up in cases like this and of course all the meeting he has had with soldier families…..”. Meanwhile, he left out the FACT that Bush doesn’t do funerals or speehes in front of non-paying Gop dues audiences. I had to turn it off.
Rayne @ 79
All their income? In a big picture kind of way, you’re right in thinking that we buy the products that the advertisers are hoping we’ll buy. But the problem is that the corporations get to speak past that, because they’re the ones allocating the funds, and it’s their name on the check, not ours. And, yes, lack of subscribers cuts into their funding…but only because it has an effect on the advertising they can sell, either through number of dropped clients, or rates they can charge.
The impression here is that the so called ‘Christian’ right, the Republican base, genuinely wants to over turn Roe.
earlofhuntingdon @ 70
I can’t believe they passed this piece of garbage – no exception for cases where the mother’s life is threatened.
Thomas and Scalia concur for the purpose of signaling their eagerness to overturn Roe v. Wade…
I always thought this bill was a ploy engineered by Rove to play out as an election wedge issue. It didn’t play out that way – but – Jeebus!
Brad Berenson, attorney for Kyle Sampson and Susan Ralston.
Brad Berenson, former Associate Counsel to the President of the United States under Alberto Gonzales.
Brad Berenson, Chair of the Federalist Society, Criminal Law and Procedural Practice Group
This is the cocktail weenie corporation. Could we, maybe, take a look at this lawyer and those like him?
He worked in the White House for two years under Alberto Gonzales. He is now representing Sampson.
He is also representing the woman who worked with Abramoff and then Rove.
It’s questionable in my mind if todays press corps has forgotten their “raison d’et”. I don’t think they ever did know. The guiding principle seems now to be “go along to get along”. I suspect the problem originated when the editors switched from straight unidentified articles to the by-line system. The advent of practically every article being published with a by-line has led from the heretofore unrecognized reporter who more or less was inclined to be objective to where now the by-line is the ticket to “stardom” and thus the reporting suffers from the reporter more interested in his erudition than the facts.
yellowdogD @ 78
interesting. They must still be negotiating with her lawyer, and/or they aren’t sure if she’ll really give up the evidence they need.
s @ 86
Nothing personal Ken, but if your objectivity is for real, why not pass that along to Jim Cox Kennedy, CEO of Cox Enterprises, and his dark lackeys who publish some of the larger and medium market papers throughout the country.
The Grand Junction, Colorado Daily Sentinel comes to mind. For example, they published a photo and completely fabricated story on their front page of a soldier who was killed in Iraq trying to “save a little girl from getting shot.” – ALL FABRICATED, but published without checking sources.
Why? Because the Publisher, Cox’s lackey, George Orbanek applies an iron hand to his reporters getting them to skew their political stories and practice Rabid Lacunose Journalism so he can has his power.
This guy, and his mentor – Cox Kennedy – make Yellow Journalism look like a pikers festival.
I am ashamed to live in the same country with these control freak, political hacks.
Next comment, I will tell what I really think!
pai @ 101
Pai—
I have a different perspective on this ruling, don’t see how it makes post 12 week abortions any more difficult except when they are doing so-called partial birth. All other second trimester abortions are still legal, if troubling for those of us who deal with premies born at 27 weeks.
John Palcewski @ 56
How ironic that this WSJ reporter was telling you not to generalize.
I think these highly paid reporters are scared to death, like a Vatican bishop reading the latest screed from that kid, Martin Luther.
They made it to the top the traditional way, top grades, Ivy League writing programs, a few years in the boondocks, and now New York or DC. Tomorrow, they might find themselves Clear Channeled, instead of being given absurd Anderson Cooper-like salaries and media pulpits. Dreams of a chair at Harvard or the AEI at the end of the day just got tossed like that old CRT.
Smart ones, like Dan Froomkin, synthesize and integrate. The overly ambitious or ethics-free ones gravitate toward Fox, or simply toward whatever message their employers’ private equity-funded bosses want to sell. The competition for being tipped as the second oldest profession remains fierce.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 106
That’s true, but if the Republics delivered then there would be no reason to vote for the Republics. It’s always been an issue for campaigning, not for solving. The Republic way is to keep teasing the base just enough to get their votes.
And you know what it will take to get rid of that ban?
Some rich Republican’s daughter dying at a backstreet abortionist’s hands because she was too afraid of her parents to go tell them when she got pregnant.
kdh22 @ 96
s m i l e. . .
my pleasure — tune in
next week — april 25.
christy — again, sorry to
clutter up your thread, here. . .
now, ON TOPIC: i quite agree that
to do their job, the press must take
a skeptical stance toward those they
cover. and for the record, the colbert
roast of bush at last year’s dinner is
on my all time-favorited list at youtube.
i could watch once every day, and still
find it funny, true and poinant. . .
rich little? — nothing personal — but feh.
Here’s the corporate strangulation of MSM:
Brisingamen @ 115
That’ll never happen. They’ll head for an overseas vacation/abortion.
landofthefree @ 110
nah — the republicans asked to
have the deal tabled — for a week.
i think the deal is solid — just
a question of whether the judciiary
committee will accept/endorse it.
they say they want to hear gonzales’
testimony first. i’ll buy that.
for now.
Just like all of the conservatives and Republicans coming out of the woodwork to denounce Bush now…as the Bush/Rove Corporate Theocracy becomes more and more embedded in this nation, more and more will come out of the hinterlands and they’ll echo Condi Rice’s “who would have known.”
Yep, today late-term DE/partial birth, tomorrow Roe v. Wade.
Can’t wait for some of the signing statements that allow for the arrests and detainment of the press kick in.
-GSD
On the e-mails: There’s a conflation going on by the WH – “millions of White House e-mails may be missing.”
There are two systems involved here -
1 – The Official White House e-mail system, which was converted from Lotus Notes to Microsoft Outlook at some point in the past. As a result of the conversion, it ‘appeared’ that the millions of Notes e-mails were ‘missing.’ It’s very likely nothing is actually missing from this system (operated within the PRA,) just archived.
2 – The RNC Server e-mail system, which covers many domains, such as gwb43.com, etc. The total number of e-mails on the RNC Servers from the relevant domains is likely to be in the thousands. If e-mails are missing – they are most likely missing from here (due to non-compliance with the PRA and a 30-day mass delete policy).
Conflated together, as Perino did in her presser, it looks like “millions of White House e-mails may be missing.”
However, it’s really just a spurious attempt at claiming privilege for records intentionally kept outside the PRA through collusion with the RNC.
earlofhuntington@113: good points. I’m sure many journalists go into the biz seeing it as a noble purpose, to bring the truth to the people – but many of them become fat, lazy and jaded along the way.
Also remember that there are many good, fair journalists out there, but they are often censored or have their stories dramatically altered by editors. The multinational corporations that are controlling much of our media are controlling the tone and content of what is published. The bill allowing companies to control multiple media outlets was one of the worst things to happen to the free press, IMO.
wlgriffi @ 109
um, i don’t know for sure, but generally speaking the switch to bylines across the industry happened no later than the early part of the 20th century.
My son, who’s on the dark side, but that’s not important to this particular point, thought he wanted to be a journalist. So he got an internship with Robert Novak during the 04 elections. He liked Robert Novak just fine, but hated ‘journalism.’ He experienced it as begging for information, then regurgitating it.
egregious @ 112
Hi Egregious. My understanding is that the ban outlaws the “Dialation and Extraction” procedure, which is the procedure used in many/most second trimester abortions. I am under the impression that the law is very vague. Certainly the Repugs didn’t advertise it this way and they try to act like we’re murdering fully developed fetus’s right before they could be born healthy, but I believe that’s the content of the law. Abortion from about 12-14 weeks may not necessitate this “D&E” procedure but ususally after fourteen weeks abortion providers do a “D&E”. Perhaps I am wrong about this, but that is what I understood the law to ban. I hope I am wrong.
Abortion is gut-twisting choice. But it is a choice that, still, after thirty years of semi’s driving through major urban areas with paintings of aborted fetuses on the sides, of Eric Rudolph and his ilk, of others making decisions for people they don’t know and honestly couldn’t care less about, of strangers shouting in our faces, 66% of e pluribus unum think we should be able to make. We are adults. Our souls are our business.
kdh22 @ 99
Many, including many in my family, call me a radical progressive liberal Democrat. I’m proud to say. It’s a mighty big responsibility. Being a rad. I’m not in the mainstream. ;0)
Badwater @
118
Please remember, the whole key that the right wingers have used for overturning Roe v Wade is that it is a state’s rights issue. Abortions were legal in place like NY prior to R v W. Many of the usual suspect states had abortion as not legal so the rich girls just took trips to the big city or found a reasonable local physician to do the procedure. It was usually the poor girl that had to get the back alley/unqualified abortion.
Mommybrain @ 126
As of this moment, your soul is the business of the fundies and SCOTUS. Sorry…
“I always thought this bill was a ploy engineered by Rove to play out as an election wedge issue. It didn’t play out that way – but – Jeebus!”
Jayt, you are both right and wrong; right that it is intended as an election issue, wrong that it did not play out that way. This will certainly have a big place in the 2008 elections, except that it will only serve to splinter the conservatives, especially the part about saving a mother’s life.
Romney will be one of the first hypoctrites to change his position to match the wingnut voters, at least Brownback has been consistent…
Thanks for this, Christy.
I’ve talked to a good number of Washington journalists about the whole mess, and one thing you should be aware of next time you address it: they find it extremely puzzling to be charged with going easy on Bush to maintain their “access” because most of them admit that they really didn’t have any access. (In a way that’s worse, of course.)
The Bush White House rarely told them anything. Sources when reached would just repeat talking points. The very idea of giving out information remains foreign to most of the Bushies. Bush himself always seems surprised that anyone would question him. I’m not saying the access game never happened (Judy Miller clearly had it going on…) but as a general explanation for the behavior of the press it strikes me as weak.
The press may have been trying to preserve something but it wasn’t “access.” I have a different explanation. I think there was among Washington journalists a reluctance to conclude that the Bush White House had completely changed the game on the press.
This was because members of the press had no “new” game of their own to match what I have called rollback– the attempt to marginalize, discredit, downgrade and “de-certify” the press as a check on and interlocutor with the White House. Rollback overturned what had been seen as political realism in Democratic and Republican White Houses prior to Bush. One had to deal with the news media because the news media owned that big pipeline to the great American audience.
When Jim Rutenberg interviewed me, he made much of the fact that the Bushies were now paying a big price for rollback, for trying to change the game, for their lack of realism. And I think there’s some truth in that. But for Rutenberg that kinda sorta means that Washington journalists were right not to react dramatically to the dramatically changed terms in which they found themselves in 2002-5. Here I deeply disagree with him.
Needless to say, none of this appeared in his story but I knew that would happen when I was talking to him. I gave the same account to Frontline for its series, “News Wars,” and not a word of it appeared in the film.
Cheers, everyone.
Listen you left-wingers an your culture of death lost this one. So let’s get back to more postive life-affirming matters like subsidizing the tobacco industry, gutting the healthcare system, making weapons more available to children and killing Iraqis and Afghanis by the score.
-GSD
SPEAKING OF THE FAILED PRESS, READ THIS BY SEYMOUR HERSCH:
http://www.rollingstone.com/po…..iran/print
[Modnote, please don’t use all caps, it’s like shouting, thanks]
Pai—Starting with the premise that I could be wrong, which saves a lot of time and later apologies:
My understanding of so-called partial birth is that it is an option considered fairly late in pregnancy, well beyond the 14 weeks you have posed. I am open to correction by the many people who know more than I do on this subject.
As I’ve mentioned many times here, my dad was a MSM but leftish. He never ever accepted a dinner invitation, a gift, hell, even a ride in a limo if it could, even in someone’s wildest dreams, be construed as undue influence. I always chafed at his integrity as a kid, but am warmed by it now.
I can’t tell you how many times I was disappointed by invitations he turned down on behalf of our family…
dear egregious. thanks for the note yesterday. I am hopelessly forever EPUd it seems. If you are near Victoria Station, I recommend lunch or dinner at the Victoria Park Plaza hotel (all the cabbies seem to know where it is). Please tell them I sent you. Also, if you are in the market for posh boots, go to the very last shop at Portobello Rd (on the left, going up the street). My 2 girls bought the most fabulous boots for about $20 (10 UK). HAha. just realized, you dont know my name. That would have been quite funny, eh? ask Redd for my email if you want. haha laughing at myself).
OT- “Partial-birth abortion” is a label that has been attached to the procedure in order to have it viewed in the worst light possible:
Abortion Bans: Myths & Facts
Jay Rosen @ 131
Thanks for saying this Jay. The idea that they do it all for access is not accurate.
TiredFed—
I’m going to tell them you are paying for my new shoes :)
If I only knew your name…I could have some stylin boots.
s @ 132
Hersh? The man Richard Perle called the Terrorist of Journalism for having the gall to say that he committed a crime?
Jay Rosen @ 131
I think your explanation is even more damning of the MSM than the “access” information. After all, if someone made it more difficult for you to do your job, wouldn’t you search for a way around it?
ken herman is from austin where I live. I’ve read his stuff for years. herman covered bush in the governor’s mansion and when W became preznit herman went off to the big city and the fawning racheted way up.
most newspaper writers in texas see bush as their big meal ticket – how often in any reporters’ lifetime will the president be someone they covered previously.
these people covet access – that’s what herman is saying with his “having dinner” comment. as evidence that herman has arrived, he’s got his own special bush-bestowed nickname. now he’s a success.
my guess is he’s got a book on bush underway, angling even to win the coveted official bio access he desires. lord knows from his perspective he’s paid enough kiss-ass dues to garner the inside track.
but in truth, herman is no reporter. real reporters are like auditors: they gather facts, test them, test them again, and write objectively and clearly about their findings, warts and all. that he and his editors can’t see it simply underlines their myopia.
Jay at 131 — Thanks so much for that. Very useful perspective, I have to say — and much appreciated.
egregious @ 134
No need to apologize- you are respectful and I’ve read lots of your comments on this blog before. I could be wrong too, but it is my understanding that the law outlaws “Dialation and Extraction” abortions,as opposed to “Dialation and Cleansing” (abortion is performed using suction and is only able to be done in the first few weeks). I don’t have time to do the reasearch right now, but hopefully one of these other great commenters can help us out.
Did anyone catch Pumkinhead Tim on Jay Leno last night? At the end of the interview Leno says something like (and I’m paraphrasing) “Thanks for coming by, you probably have some important people to go see…you don’t have that much time to spend with us lowly celebrities.”
Even Leno knows the cocktail weenie circuit.
Simply, what used to be called “investigative journalism” is dead in the US. Seymour Hersh is the only exception.
Marie at 137, I’m one of the only people you will ever encounter who is both pro-choice and pro-life. People of good will can disagree about much that happens with regard to abortions and the politics surrounding them. It is my view, which you may not share, that puncturing the brain of a nearly formed fetus constitutes something bad, even if it is an unwanted child. We have to draw the line somewhere.
We do surgery on premies smaller and younger than those who are involved with so-called partial birth abortions. I work to save them; other people’s mileage may vary.
Fresh thread, up and running for everyone.
Today’s death count in Iraq is up to 158. Wow.
earlofhuntingdon @ 70
Unless you’re Delbert, of course.
[Modnote: Delbert is allowed to, because he has a severe visual handicap. It’s the only way he can see what he writes.]
Jay Rosen @ 131
thanks for this, jay.
if you know jim, you may know his background. he is a really nice guy, and pretty nimble when the news changes on the fly. but you also may know that he is in over his head in washington, if what’s wanted is more investigative journalism. sadly, he is exactly the type of reporter editors send there now: folks who can tell a good story, and file it quickly. but they really aren’t the type to do the pieces like, say, charlie savage did — even though as savage said, it was hiding in plain sight.
back in 1992, the times made a mistake that i don’t think anyone really thought would have the ramifications it has had on political coverage. it assigned frank rich and maureen dowd to cover the dem convention as theater, since that’s all conventions had devolved to anyway.
it was refreshing as a one-shot, but then became like some mutant contagion. now, that’s all most of the political press does, when they’re not writing about the horse race, that is.
Yesterday on CNN or MSNBC (I can’t remember which) while covering the VT story, the reporter was talking about a student and his credentials (Daniel Perez Cueva) – then suddenly the reporter throws in that this student lived near the Pentagon on 9/11 and saw the airplane that hit the Pentagon. Does that strike anyone as odd (the reporting that is) considering the lack of witnesses or footage of the Pentagon airplane?
CJ @ 76
we need Dems for that in my experience.
Well, well, well…it looks like Gonzo’s in a pickle (a run-down in baseball when a player is trapped between two bases.)
He’s scheduled to testify tomorrow – knowing Sampson’s been back for follow-up testimony – with Goodling’s standing in the wings for next week – and the RNC e-mails might turn-up.
I wonder how well-rehearsed he is for all that?
radiofreewill @ 154
how ready?
not at all.
not one bit ready.
he’ll be a train-wreck tomorrow.
and i. just. can’t. wait.
GSD @ 119
EXACTLY, precisely, on-target metaphor! All positions on issues should start with this fact and move out from there.
The American people need to be taught this fact, over and over, and they will get it. They are starting to get it, but we need to sink it home. It is “painting the image” that Repugs have always been good at doing.
Carpe Diem – magna est veritas et praevalebit!
Sorry, had wrong quote.
LS @ 152
VERY odd. I’m assuming the student is among the dead, who can neither tell nor refute any tales.
Sorta like being baptized by Mormons after you’re dead.
Yay jay. I have been saying for a long time that the rules changed and MSM didn’t get it. Thanks for articulating it further.
Shorter Herman (in Homer Simpson voice): Ummmm! Wienies.
It’s just another half-*ssed justification for reporters behaving unprofessionally.
Speaking of unprofessional and re Scarecrow’s post on the Richard Perle propaganda piece on PBS, I wrote the show last night about it. Glenn Greenwald has written extensively on how those who got Iraq terribly, horribly wrong are still the ones the media run to to tell us what is really going on. To put the Perle piece in among serious documentaries is a shocking breach of journalistic ethics. What were they thinking? Shame on Robert MacNeil indeed.
nolo @ 118
Maybe they don’t want to give Goodling immunity if they know they can include her with the rest of the rogues when the manure finally hits the fan???
And if Gonzo doesn’t tell the truth, then they will take her up on her deal???
Anyone expecting Gonzales to tell the truth is even more idealistic than me. But it is an interesting negotiation, considering Goodling may very well know more about many of these issues and events than Gonzales.
While I don’t buy his open-ended denials, I do believe Goodling is one of the little fundie goebel/goerrings in the white-house who was deliberately installed to provide at least a modicum of plausible deniability to Bush, Cheney, and their closest staff.
She has been made into a firewall because her naive, fall-on-her-sword loyalty was so completely exposed from the beginning.
No doubt there was more than one snide behind- her-back comment like the evangelicals suffered at Rove’s hands, and she no doubt had more than one “just give me a f*&^%&g faith-based thing” moment.
I hope we will get to hear about some of them before it is all over.
earlofhuntingdon @ 67
Threatened much?
OleHippieChick @
157
Yes, he was a victim.
egregious @ 139
well, if you are going to stay thru the weekend, do go to Portobello Rd. It is quite a sight on Saturdays. I would be happy to buy you some new boots (my wife simply does not ever need another pair for the rest of her life, but that wont stop her) as long as they dont cost more than $10. Anyway, the name is Callahan (as in Dirty Harry).
Marie Roget @ 137
Pro-life, the death tax, it’s all about framing. The SCOTUS decision is a blow against women, medicine, and the 21th century.
Puesto. A little OT, but you said something at length yesterday about the tragedy at VT. As a Hokie parent, I could not agree more. More to follow in the days ahead. Thanks.
Greg Palast is an American investigavtive reporter who has to work for the BBC and The Guardian because no one in the US will touch his stuff.
From his website (GregPalast.com):
“In the new Armed Madhouse: From Baghdad to New Orleans — Sordid Secrets and Strange Tales of a White House Gone Wild you’ll find an America where Republicans sucking on Super-sized Slurpies hunt dark-skinned voters to eliminate their rights; where James Baker’s fixer in alligator boots sets up the grab for Iraq’s oil on her way to the rodeo; where educational testing profiteers terrorize our kiddies (in “No Childs’ Behind Left”); plus, my chat with Hugo Chavez about his coming assassination. AND a killer recipe for fish curry. PLUS scores of illustrations of those intriguing documents marked, ‘confidential’ — by the State Department, World Bank — and Karl Rove.”
Firepups, if your hungry for the good stuff, check him out.
LJ/Aquaria @
105
And if NOBODY reads their paper, what exactly are they selling to advertisers?
As for mainstream journalists getting miffed when compared to bloggers, it reminds me of a kid I coached in baseball years ago, his dad. my asst. coach, let him keep pitching even if we were losing miserably. When a new kid moved to town, and we started winning every game he pitched, the other kid started a slur campaign against the newcomer, trying desperately to force the newbie into social outcast mode.
It didn’t work, but it sure reminds me of the way the MSM has responded to Jane and Marci and Christy, just to mention a few, and not just here at FDL but across the blogosphere as a whole.
As we all have seen in recent months, the lines are blurring every day, and soon it will be the quality and reliability of the writer’s words, not the nature of the medium, that determines who is and who isn’t a respectable “journalist.”
Considering the general topic of this thread, and the constant proof we have that the MSM has abandoned its calling as “The Fourth Estate”, is it any wonder the blogs have been able to adopt this orphan called “public ability” and claim it as our own?
PS Someeone needs to add the word “blog” to the spell-check list, it is always funny to see that term underlined in spell-check-red even on “the blogs.”
Thanks, everyone.
eCAHNomics @ 141: Yes, in a sense more damning. But what I am arguing would also cause us to shift our view a bit. I’ve written a lot at my blog on this, and spent many hours puzzling through the particulars, and I do not see members of the press as “in the pocket” of the Bush White House so much as overwhelmed by the phenomena before them.
For example: the graceful interlocking action between the culture wars going on outside–where the liberal media could be pounded, and its favorables driven down–and rollback underway within the White House, and moving outward the more general expansion of executive power, which was the biggest missed story in the press. They’re all of a piece, but the pattern overwhelms a timid and compromised institution, incapable of thinking strategically. And so on!
They were overwhelmed by the phenomena before them. That’s my view. And they don’t wish to face that because facing it is too damn hard, and life goes on. The news rolls on…
dmg @ 151. I don’t know Jim Rutenberg, except from his work and being interviewed a couple times.
Here’s more on how Bush changed the rules of the game on the press. (I don’t use the term MSM.)
Ditto on the “dmoore” Palast post at 165, his work is provocative and explosive, and he’s one of the real characters in the investigative journalism field today, reminds me of a 30’s movie detective, but he writes better.
Rayne;
Q.”And if NOBODY reads their paper, what exactly are they selling to advertisers?”
A.The Big Lie.
And it’s not just the big-time newspapers, local papers are notorious for jcaking-up thier numbers. I’ve seensomeone suggest before that many newspapers aren’t fit for anything but the bottom of the canary cage, unfortunately, that is where many of them do their best work.
Jay at 169 — I think the overwhelming quality is part and parcel with being too close to the subject under study. I do think that some journalists get so lost in the trees in DC that they can forget that they are supposed to sometimes take a step back and see how the forest as a whole is holding up. It is impossible to do so when the individual bits and pieces are constantly in your face — and you don’t get to take a step outside to see the full effects of these individual pieces on people who have to deal with their aftermath.
I do think that getting outside the Beltway – not for tiny stints, but for longer stretches at a time — can be very beneficial in that regard. And so can talking with folks who are not the power brokers, whose livelihoods depend on maintaining the status quo, and so on. But I know that you know this, I’m just thinking out loud a bit here. It is difficult to have a broader perspective when you are immersed in the very culture which breeds continuity and tries to sand off the rough edges for civility’s sake, among so many other problems.
IMO, they don’t have to worry about advertising because they get cold hard cash from Bushco.
Boston1775 @ 138
If not for access, why do they do it?
Filters working overtime? Can’t find a bad word among em…
OOPS, the mod was posting.
“immersed in the very culture which breeds continuity and tries to sand off the rough edges for civility’s sake…”
would that it were for civility’s sake, and not to protect these rogues from their own misdeeds. Exposing some of these stories in mainstream media might well have kept some of this disaster from occurring, so their culpability goes well beyond protecting civility, they failed to protect the public.
THE BLOGS HAVE BECOME THE FOURTH ESTATE!
They (and apparently some of US) need to accept it.
I agree: there’s a powerful connection between being overwhelmed by Bush and the typical Washington journalist’s closeness to power, a seduction by proximity. That is where things like an insider culture do make a difference. That is how glamour and media stardom enter powerfully in. People don’t want to risk there positions in that to tell the world that something reckless and radical is going on. To me that is plausible, yes. But not sufficient.
Badwater @ 174
My theory is that it’s not only for access, which means that they’ll get their share of cocktail weenies and the attendant conversation; it also means that (since their media moguls are Oligarchs and will fire them if they veer anywheres Greg Palast’s brand of journalism) they’ll get to keep their jobs.
That’s why I’ve begun to call this sort of “Presstitution” a new term: “John”alism.
JEP @ 175
They (and apparently some of US) need to accept it.
… including the hidebound Pulitzer Committee, it would seem. The best of the blogs (umm, … including FDL, at the very least for its coverage of LibbyGate) deserve recognition by the press and the public for their contributions to the nation.
Of course, since the Pulitzers represent the press that is deathly afraid of the blogosphere because it can’t control our sterling Mods, this is a pipe dream on my part… Sigh…
Boston at 174: “If not for access, why do they do it?”
I admit my answer is strange. But it’s my honest assessment. The reason they failed to challenge the White House is that they couldn’t keep their rituals and assumptions entact AND mount an appropriate response to what Bush and company were doing. They would to tear up the White House beat and re-build it from the agencies back to Pennsylvania and the Governors in. It’s too much. The temptation to tell yourself that the old software works fine is overwhelming.
Charlie Savage did it, yes. But that isn’t White House reporting the way they had learned it. It was too expensive to change, is what it comes down. The cost in lost illusions alone was too high. They wanted to believe that the game wasn’t changed. It would have been easier for everyone.
“this is a pipe dream on my part… Sigh…”
pass it around…
Sorry, I was typing too fast….meant:
They would have to tear up the White House beat and re-build it from the agencies back to Pennsylvania Avenue and from the Governors in toward the executive.
I know this is way off topic but thought some of you would like to know. It seem as if the server that has been used by Rove and Company for their Blackberry’s had problems last night! Hmmm does anyone else smell a rovian rat about this? I’ll post the link to the story for you.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18173239/
Hope I did not step on too many toes with this off topic post!
And an ASS of pro-choice women are going:
“UmmmHummm…and how long until the next election?”
At this rate there’ll be a big enough dem majority in congress to put 10 new seats on the Supreme Court. :o)
Bob in Arkansas, USA @
182
It “stinks”.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 127
Many, including many in my family, call me a radical progressive liberal Democrat. I’m proud to say. It’s a mighty big responsibility. Being a rad. I’m not in the mainstream. ;0)
This is such a language distortion to call someone a radical who insists on his/her rights to free speech, fact based information, pro choice, anti violence, due democratic process, humanitarianism, etc etc.
LS @ 184
Sorry for glitch:
Bob and LS: do I smeel a whiff of paranoia? They are Canadian, Blackberry is.
mulligatawny @
187
Well, I for one think there are a lot of things to be wary of after observing the events of the past seven years, even if in this case they are Canadian, but I wouldn’t call it paranoid.
mulligatawny @ 187
Also Canadian! First the RNC refuses to give congress the E-Mails, and this all of a sudden happens! May not be anything but a small glitch, but with the individuals in the administration, who knows!
Jay Rosen @
179
Jay, I didn’t ask you that particular question, Badwater did. I am thanking you for this post and I will be studying your other work.
It has been very clear to me that the White House changed the rules in a dark and dirty way culminating with their dare to Tim Russert.
I will read your stuff and find your blog.
Jay,
I guess I do have more to say. You are right that they would have to tear up the White House beat and rebuild.
To expect the press to effectively track down the corruption of the White House, the Department of Justice, the FCC in light of the fact that the networks are not/cannot be committed to a free press because of corporate buyouts…WHILE under attack themselves.
Dick Cheney tilted his head when Scooter Libby told him that Russert would be their alibi.
Tilted his head.
Jay Rosen: I love your blog and visit often.
http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubz…..ressthink/
Jay Rosen @ 181
…sounds like a plan!
Remember, the press does not work for the people, they work for the corporations that run the government. Their job is to make the government that their bosses own look good. That is their role in our country today. It is apparent all day every day when the body count from Iraq gets 20 seconds and the Anna Nicole diary gets 5 full minutes. They, like their corporate masters, like their governmental handlers, have but ONE MOTIVE-Personal Profit. We are all Ferengis now.
I gotta comment, and yes I did happen to catch the PBS NeoCon Propaganda show last night till I had to change the channel due to the lack of truth and accuracy that was about to make me puke. The MSM needs to start digesting essays like Christy’s and really look at themselves honestly to understand why they are losing so many viewers to progressive bloggers. We news consumers want ACCURATE reporting that is backed up by the TRUTH. Every time I see some network or paper deliver spoon-fed spin & inaccurate reporting I lose a little more trust, and I become less likely to return to that program or paper. Please MSM, embrace principled reporting, I might even return as a full-time consumer some day.
OT but random takes from today’s news.
160 killed in Baghdad, just another ordinary post Surge day.
The VT shooter was mentally ill and a stalker but still could walk into a shop and buy guns.
Women being segregated from men in public buses; no not Iran but Jerusalem, so Islam has no monopoly on fundamentalism.
Three gunned down for producing bibles in Turkey.
It is truly a mad world, my masters.
JEP @
63
Personally, I don’t care what he pays for his haircuts, but I do not think that he should charge these expenses to his campaign.
He’ll come out sometime today and say that whoever did the campaign finance reporting made a mistake as he always pays for his own hairdressing and make-up.
Problem is that there really are “two Americas” and yes, its obvious which one Mr Edwards lives in.
No, I haven’t read the HuffPo report and there are no “poor hairdressers” in Beverly Hills.
dmoore @ 166
Palast is an EXCELLENT investigative journalist whom I highly recommend also. He knows his stuff and he has the documents to back it up. And, yes, his excellence in his field thrives only because he is allowed to do real reporting in the UK which would be squashed here in the Propaganda States.
Brisingamen @ 115
There is always a safe way if you have *money*. It’s just women who are not well-connected who will die in allies or be rendered sterile. So sorry for those girls/women who can’t access the money for shame, but the rest of us have next to *no* chance for a safe procedure, no matter how much we grovel.
Time for a change.
DC media folks are cowards. They allowed themselves to be bullied, never made an effort to fight back.
Allowed Bushco to target and belittle Helen Thomas with no repercussions. Helen Thomas for Chrissakes!
This is all you need to know about these blowhards. They shame themselves each and every day with their cowering, pathetic kowtowing.
It could have all been different. Think about the ‘fun’ the MSM could have had with Bush and his Bushisms if they weren’t so chickenshit.
Will guarantee that MSM will discover their balls as soon as there’s a Dem in the White House.