
(Polaroid snapshot via williac.)
This could not be more wrong:
It is enough to make some reporters bristle. "Some of them seem to want us to hate the people we cover," said Ken Herman, a White House correspondent for Cox Newspapers and an association board member. "They don’t seem to understand that you can have a professional relationship with them where you don’t hate them, and you can sometimes talk to them, and maybe have dinner with them."
As an attorney, the dichotomy between your professional stance and your personal friendship can become blurred as well, outside the courtroom, because you see the same folks around the courthouse, you get to know how their kids are doing in college and how their wife's chemo is going and so on. As time goes on, you become friends with even the most bitter of professional rivals. You can't help it -- it is human nature. But you do not, for a second, give the other counsel a pass within the courtroom or during negotiations or anything else simply because you know them. Why? Because it would be unprofessional as hell -- you do your job, to the fullest extent possible, and with as much intensity and dedication to your client's position as you can muster. Otherwise, you are committing professional malpractice.
And, with all due respect to Mr. Herman who has been around the journalistic block for a while now: far too many journalists have been committing journalistic malpractice. And they need to face that fact.
The reason blogs and plain old average folks (let's call them subscribers or readers or consumers of your journalistic product, shall we?) are pissed off? Because, as your clients, their needs took a backseat to your own personal need to maintain a happy relationship with your new pals at the Bush White House and in the GOP leadership in Congress. So the tough questions got shoved to the side for far too long and the relationship building became of paramount interest -- which served the Bush Administration interests, but left the public out in the cold. It is what the Bushies encouraged because it served their purposes to have a docile media pool who was afraid to ask anything remotely difficult for fear of being shut out of the briefing room. And you fell for it, hook, line and stinker.
You allowed the Bush Administration to dictate the terms of access and of how you should or should not do your job, all the while forgetting that you are the one in the relationship who buys ink by the barrel and thus actually hold the power of digging at the truth at your fingertips.
There is a reason that Dan Froomkin had to write out a primer for basic journalistic principles on the Neiman site not too long ago: because far too many journalists inside the Beltway were so busy trying to keep their jobs, they had forgotten how to DO their jobs. (Apologies to Aaron Sorkin and Rob Reiner for stealing an American President line, but it was too perfect a fit.) Maybe the idea that a "recovering reporter" reader had is the way to go -- rotate journalists in and out of the Beltway, so they are not constantly steeped in the weird "go along to get along" attitude that permeates so much of the atmosphere there.
You want to know what we want? We want you to do your jobs. It is that simple.
Your whole job, not just the bit that makes you look good on camera or gets you a byline whether or not you've reported the whole story. Take a page from Charlie Savage's book: the man just won a Pulitzer for refusing to back down on a story that needed to be dug into, and that few if any journalists bothered to pick up on even after his reporting kept uncovering more and more egregious behavior. In a situation which cried out for oversight and answers, the ball was well and truly dropped -- except by Charlie who was deservedly rewarded for doing his job. Why not take his example and run with it for a while? How about that as a step in the right direction?
And while we are at it, try listening to Jay Rosen (who was also quoted in the NYTimes article with Herman): the false equivalency given to factually inaccurate crap has got to stop. If the public official with whom you are speaking is trying to sell you a load of bullshit, it is okay to call it manure. In fact, it is accurate to do so. As Jay says, too many journalists over the past few years have "lapsed into a phony kind of balance." If the facts do not support it, you aren't doing yourself any favors by pretending that both sides of an argument are equal. That is not balance, it is just phony.
There are any number of journalists who did not fall into this trap -- but far too many did, and still do, and it is incumbent upon each of them to ask themselves whether or not this applies to their own work. Your audience expects you to do your job, to follow the story wherever it leads, even if that makes things uncomfortable. Fewer quail wings, more meaty investigative reporting. What do you say?
(And while I'm on the Pulitzer kick, huge kudos to Brent Blackledge (via Attytood) who also understands that public corruption is bad and that the facts -- all the facts --need to be exposed to a heap of sunlight. Good on ya!)
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Whatta ya know? ZED?
first?
zed? And I even read the post
fourth!
dang…oh well! Morning Christy!
But not quickly enough, apparently.
“(Apologies to Rob Reiner for stealing an American President line, but it was too perfect a fit.)”
Aaron Sorkin wrote The American President. Rob Reiner directed. Crediting Reiner for the dialog … it’s a little like quoting you, but crediting your web designer instead.
Obviously OT and a nit, but what’s wrong with properly crediting the writer for writing?
With kind regards,
Dog, etc.
searching for home
Good Morning everyone
Mornin’ Christy! Great post. Just FYI, Reiner directed American President, Aaron Sorkin wrote it…
We need legislation to change the MSM. We need the fairness doctrine. And we need to prevent companies like GE from owning TV networks that broadcast news.
You said it…
Nothing drives me more crazy that this…
The other side of this is that the neoCons have declared msm to be Left-wing and now choose to ignore everything they say. In other words, because the facts that the msm puts out there doesn’t agree with their crazy arguments, it must not be the facts, so they ignore it, and they preach as much to their base.
The BBC are called “lefties” by the neoCons because they asked tough questions about the war in Iraq. In other words, they called Perle and Cheney and Rummy and even Powell on their lies. They were just asking questions, and when they got spin back, they kept asking the same question. These guys would just get mad and tell the BBC that they were out to get them. You can hear the African dictators on the BBC following the same argument these days, to the letter.
Morning Christy!
“Fewer quail wings…” LUV IT!
oh, nicele done, Christy!!!!
Oops — misremembered and was thinking it was Reiner who wrote it. Should have remembered it was Sorkin. Updated above, thanks.
of course, if I weren’t so busy stuffing a bagel in my mouth, I would’ve typed “nicely” correctly.
*sigh*
watertiger—
We always think you type nicely :)
Can someone give me the low down on Senate activities? At work, no access.
I’m wondering why this took so long to happen. You know that bit about power corrupting & all.
Tangentially related, and an ironic unintended consequence of women’s lib, is this list of sizzlingest DC couples: http://www.washingtonmonthly.c.....chart.html
Apropos of this, the premiere episode tonight of the new Bill Moyers series is “Buying the War: How Did the Mainstream Press Get It So Wrong?” Should be very interesting.
OT
I am trying get the House Judiciary committee
because:
but seems like nothing is happening. Any ideas?
egr — did I see from downstairs that you’re in London? green with envy…pls give London my regards!
Morning, Christy.
From the NYTimes link above:
Beltway MSM was completely blindsided by Colbert’s roast, and for weeks afterward, was still trying to comprehend it, and in a few instances, misinterpreted it.
Yes, this “relationship” (if you want to call it that) between Beltway politicans and MSM is too cozy.
AAAH just started at the House Judiciary
Good morning from L.A.
Excellent post, CHS.
OT- CNN, MSNBC, etc. are wall-to-wall covering the VT shootings from every possible angle this a.m.; been watching it for several hrs. now. I can’t believe they’re missing another huge killing spree- 4x as many killed.
Oh wait, that one happened in Baghdad…
LoudounLib @ 21
There’s a man here with several corgis wanting to know how to contact Christy for dogsitting.
So, which is it, LoudounLib or LondonLib?
OT, but thought it needed to be mentioned.
And the beat goes on in Iraq this morning:
More than 80 killed in market bombing today
Schrodinger’s Cat is a thought experiment used in physics that demonstrates how the very process of observation can impact dramatically a situation and outcomes. Theoretically, a live cat is put into a sealed box through which the observer cannot detect by their 5 senses the condition of the cat.
Is the cat alive? is the cat dead? Is it possible the cat is both alive and dead? There’s only one way to tell definitively, and that’s opening the box, ending the experiment and reviving the cat or finding the dead one, utterly disrupting all outcomes.
But that’s what reporting does; it opens the box. Just doing that much affects the disposition of the matter being observed; if this is all it takes, merely opening the box on a story to affect outcome, why in God’s name do reporters insist on becoming further entangled in the story by deliberately inveigling themselves in relationships of any kind with their subjects? Why would they not consciously seek to remain separate and attached, doing the least amount to disturb what they are observing and reporting?
Makes no sense to me at all.
But perhaps I wouldn’t trust Turdblossom not to poison the quail wings, either.
When is Judy Miller going to get her Pulitzer Prize taken away from her for reporting on WMD that were not there! That would make more than a few reporters take journalist ethics seriously.
SCOTUS just upheld congressional ban on partial birth abortion.
Nice post Redd. Why the journalists can’t seem to understand your simple (but not simplistic) point, I’ll never know. Today, if a reporter alluded that the earth was round, s/he would feel duty-bound to print the contrary opinion of a flat-earth society rep. Are reporters now so unsure of what the facts are that it is no longer possible for them to uncover and report facts?
OT-Christy, explain something to me. The bill to allow the U.S. to negotiate for lower prescription drugs was just rejected because they couldn’t get the 60 votes required.
Why isn’t a simple majority enough?
Sorry to do this .. I have been one to HATE these no-comment comments … but:
GREAT work! Great article.
eCAHNomics @ 29
OhCrap. So it begins… more likely, continues.
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EmbraceYourInnerCrone @ 26
157
nomolos @ 20
conyers is LIVE NOW,
a real-video feed — talking on
goodling — to vote in a moment.
running down representations to congress,
via paul mcnulty — “inaccurate. . .”
I reread some of Ken Herman’s recent articles, and now my head hurts badly. They’re chock full of “he said, she said” goodness. Worse, there’s no depth of analysis. Why, for example, is Leahy so upset about lost emails? Why is McCain attacking Democrats. Why is Perino’s revelation that “we screwed up” such a big deal? Kenny never gets around to telling his readers.
In the old days I’d read an article “crafted” by somebody like Herman and then do some additional research to figure out what was really happening. Today I cut out the middle man and go right to the blogosphere. Any given firedoglake entry contains as much “news” and far more thoughtful analysis.
No wonder papers are dying.
You rock, Christy! Great post!
And folks, here’s the real problem:
Is this assclown one of the guys who got the ‘doggie bag’ from Mr. Pigboy Rove? What planet to these morons live on?
Oh….yeah, Planet Access.
Well, one thing we do know. Readership and viewership of the corporatist media is headed down. While readership of Left Blogistan is headed up.
Maybe this blockhead can figure out what that means.
But I tend to doubt it.
It has ever been thus.
During H2Ogate, the National press corp couldn’t be bothered with covering the “third-rate burglary.” I don’t remember all the pundits names from that era, but I’m thinking the Alsops were pretty representative and I recall them being fairly negative about Woodward and Bernstein’s writing and reporting.
Notice, it took a reporter for the Boston Globe to win the Pulitzer this year.
conyers proposing immunity
under 18 UCS 6005:
“subpoena to issue under compulsion. . .”
use immunity — wow.
one week deferral on
the step of granting immunity. . .
agreed to by conyers. . .
so, next wed., 25 april 2007.
rep. sanchez on now:
“shifting explanations. . .
evidence that usa’s may have
been fired for their role in
investigating republican corruption. . .”
christy,
your post is EXACTLY right. what happens in washington, the biggest of all company towns, is that journalists FORGET who they are supposed to be writing for.
they think they are writing for their washington colleagues or their sources. they actually forget they are writing for people who do not live or work within the same limited bubble these folks spend their careers in.
thus you get situations where reporters shrug off items like the failure, years ago, to point out newt gingrich’s own troubled mariage history while the speaker was wailing on about family values and clinton morals. “that’s out there,” they sniffed. “everybody knows that.”
except of course, not everybody did. just within the bubble.
this occurs repeatedly — when bill frist was point person on capitol hill for the medicaid “reform” plan, reporters failed to mention that his brother and father were the top executives of a healthcare company that had been fines hundreds of millions of dollars for medicaid fraud. “that’s out there. everyone knows that.”
or even as recently as the libby case — “everyone knows valerie plame was at the c.i.a.” — a lie, of course, but a lie told because the explanation it tried to masquerade as was supposedly good enough to offer as an excuse.
any time you hear that excuse, yuo know one thing: some reporter isn’t doing his or her job.
nolo—I observe that you frequently apologize for being off topic. But imho you are bringing us totally on topic material, and thank you for that.
And prodigious too…keep up the good work.
ms. goodling’s testimony
will be essential — i hope
the republicans will support. . .
getting to the truth. . .
end of rep. sanchez.
solai @ 31
Not Christy but it’s a “filibuster” and requires 60 votes to “break.” Due to revised rules from a couple of decades ago, filibusters no longer require 67 votes to break but also no longer require the pertinent senators to stand up and talk about anything and everything for hours on end. Which is why Strom Thurmond still holds the “record” for filibuster at something over twenty plus hours straight iirc.
Rayne
Re your comment @71 in the previous thread, there is at least one company, Discovery Solutions, that will do the work very quickly, especially if the materials come in in electronic form. Essentially, they eliminate duplications and I think they can do something with threaded e-mails. It is expensive, but a lot cheaper in e-form.
republican member yammering on –
now talking about ted olson. . .
make me throw up in my mouth a little. . .
SCOTUS has ruled the ban on partial birth abortions is constitutional.
solai @ 10
AMEN TO THAT!
dakine01 @ 47
So, it’s dead? Our senior citizens are stuck paying these ridiculous prices for their rx for 2 more years?
excellent response from
california democrat:
“goodling’s attorney asserted
fifth — we are not ‘casting
aspersions’. . . in noting this
fact. . .”
dakine01 @ 40
It’s been that way even longer. Think cheerleading Iraq was an anomaly. The press swallowed all the bull about Vietnam, hook, line and sinker. They stayed on the side of the government, even longer than they have this time.
My husband was a journalism major in college. He walked away from it, because he knew he’d be stuck with the Sewer and Garbage detail forever, simply because he wouldn’t fudge facts for the advertisers. He realized, pretty early on, that the job of reporters isn’t to tell the truth; it’s to sell newspapers. He was the only one who knew that answer when a journalism professor asked it on the first day of class.
In Salon today, Glenn Greenwald has a brilliant analysis of how conventional Beltway wisdom is constructed by lazy MSM journalists (from time to time interrupted by “quail wings” and White House Correspondents roast-dinners):
Last year around this time I encountered a Wall Street Journal columnist at the smoking lounge of De La Concha on Sixth Avenue near 57th Street in Manhattan, and I asked him why in hell all the MSM reporters five or six years ago appeared to be simply repeating all the spin and BS and Rovian talking points that the Bush Administration employed to get us into this horrid Iraq fiasco. I asked him why only the left-wing bloggers were able to see what really was going on. He got angry. VERY angry. Bloggers? How in hell can you trust anything these people write? They haven’t any of the resources the MSM reporters have at their disposal. They have no clue what good journalistic practices are. They never fact check, and nobody fact checks for them. It’s absurd! Whoa, I said. There are a bunch of LAWYERS on sites like Firedoglake and the Last Hurrah, and there is Glenn Grenwald. He cut me off, with angry impatience. “You can’t generalize.” I said I wasn’t doing that, I was just citing the fact that these lawyers were getting the REAL story that the MSM was failing miserably to do. “You can’t generalize,” he repeated. Now, there was just no way for me to succeed with this guy. He was extremely aggressive, and obviously had tremendous contempt for what I was saying. He in effect shouted me down. Now, that was a year ago. I suspect that there are still a lot of people like him–content in their positions, their big salaries, their connections. They are like Bush. They simply will NOT listen to any contradiction of their behavior, or should I say profound malpractice. As for my encounter with the WSJ guy, I wish I could have stood up to him better. I wish I could have told him, listen, bud, I’m the customer here! Your whole job is to provide a product that I consume! And why in HELL are you giving me a hard time when I complain to you about the product your’e producing? Well, that wouldn’t have worked either because people like him don’t see their jobs that way. That’s what’s wrong with the whole bloody profession.
rep. sheila jackson lee:
“. . .it is imperative to
unearth the truth at the white house. . .
. . . we are bound, constitutionally, to
exercise oversight. . . we are doing our
job, without casting stones. . .”
Y’know? Of course. Sorry to interrupt your conversation here to go back to the actual post, but of course. It just makes me unhappy to hear a reporter say, “Some of them seem to want us to hate the people we cover.” I mean, yeah, that’s probably true for some people, there are extreme elements to any position. But mostly we want reporters to ask hard questions, unfettered by the concern over whether it’ll make tomorrow’s dinner social uncomfortable.
dmg @ 44
They’ve forgotten nothing, and they’re writing for who they’re supposed to be writing for. We’re the only ones who are deluded into thinking they write for us. It’s not for us. It’s for the advertisers. They’re the ones who fund newspapers. The publisher only cares about keeping us reading to sell advertising space. Subscribers pay only a fraction of their revenue. See what will happen if a paper takes on a major advertiser with a negative story. It is never, ever pretty.
Hear, hear on this post Christy! Also, thanks for remembering Sorkin is the man who puts the words into the mouths of the actors, not the director. Some of us are losing our writing liveihoods because nobody seems to know this simple fact, which Hollywood directors have been only too happy to have covered up (not Reiner BTW).
solai @
52
Not “dead” per se, but maybe in reality. I assume there are still all sorts of negotiations going on in the back rooms to get it broken. But things may not truly break until we can elect a filibuster proof majority in ‘08 and make Mr McConnell/Chao, R-Big Bidness as truly marginal in fact as he is in intellect.
Jesus,
128 dead in Baghdad today. I don’t want to take away the sadness of VT, but this is awful. And clearly the surge is having zero effect.
and just when you thought some of the blogs were above all of this
The Huffington Enquirer?
The HuffingtonPost is trashing Edwards in a very catty post on their blog today, I was so disappointed that Ms. Huffington is letting her posters take the tabloid tack in the 2008 Presidential campaign. Anyone who reads my posts on the Democratic presidential blog or some of the other campaign blogs like “The Fix” know who I support. But I have very deliberately kept my own personal Presidential campaign loyalties limited when I post here, because I think the dialogue here at FDL typically rises above partisan pandering. I have also depended on the Huff Post, for a long, long, time for a variety of meaningful perspectives. But this Edwards post reeks of personal political propaganda, and I took the Huffpost off my own personal bloglist because I was so disappointed.
I am all for a serious debate about ANY candidate, even the ones I support. But to stopp to criticizing Edwards paying “too much”for his haircuts only ignores the fact there’s at least one poor hairdresser out there who can pay her rent a little easier this month.
One can only speculate (quite easily) “cui bono” from this trash-talk. Did Hillary hire Rove to manage her campaign? Sure seems like it if this is any indicator. Unfortunately, when the people who you thought you can trust to call other people hypocrites become hypocrites, where do we go to find journalists we can trust?
FDL admins, commentors and posters, just a note of thanks for being reliably critical, of all the BS, not just the BS you pick and choose.
IT’S ALL ABOUT ME -
I have been an avid news reader, and semi-political junkie my whole life (Don’t ask! Too many years to own up to).
One of the things which annoys me and many other intelligent readers is how journalists and their editors LOVE TO TALK ABOUT THEMSELVES and their kind.
This is constructive to a point. BUT, when the newspaper and or a journalist becomes the story, the readers really turn that off. No one likes to hear someone talk about themselves. Journalists don’t seem to get this, in general.
Related to this, is how wonderful the blogosphere is.. as well as a threat to journalisms hubris and borderline arrogance: They can no longer practice Lacuna Journalism, skewing the story by what they leave out.
This is especially important because 10 years or so ago newspapers would practice this on the Ed Letters page…
For example: Our local newspaper - Circ maybe 30,000 - would take the election season and be very blatant about taking some red-neck, 10th grader letter making very outlandish, ignorant positions and publish it to represent the position the paper was adamantly against.
Then, on the same page the position they favored would be covered by intelligent, well written Ed Letter writers, usually with well known names respected in the community.
This is the threat represented by blogs. The reader should be able to pick through ALL the position papers to choose that which most aligns with his position, and or his opponents position.
Our local paper is owned by the Jim Cox Kennedy family of Atlanta, and is a rabid, slanted, demeaning rag, which tries to run the local political scene. I presume this attitude is rampant in Cox News, as JCK used to manage this one when he got out of college. Mommy bought him a paper so he could learn the dark art of skewing the political scene, instead of reportage.
Now, it is the people’s turn.
GeorgeSimian @11
Excellent point and the biggest reason why there is nothing that brings me to the boiling point faster than spineless msm handmaidens spewing BS about providing “balance.” This is the same pile of steaming BS we were just discussing on the PBS thread.
LJ/Aquaria @ 59
your take is part of the story, certainly a large part where smaller papers are concerned, but it’s not the whole story.
let’s just stipulate that there is a confluence of reasons why journalists don’t do their jobs, and both yours and mine fall within that set.
The Jim Rutenberg piece in the Times today shows that he hasn’t a clue. He is gently praising of Rich Little, and chafes at the disappointingly unfunny Mr. Colbert. He saves his understated venom for Bloggers, whom he seems to think are all lefties with more bile than brains, and who couldn’t write their way out of the proverbial plastic bag.
Mr. Rutenberg needs to get out once in a while. If he ever wants to learn to be a reporter, I’m sure Christy would give him a few pointers.
LJ/Aquaria @
54
My sister retired a couple of years ago. She majored in English rather than journalism but wound up not getting her degree. She’s in NH and covered a lot of politicians over the years but wound up going back to crime/courts/fire beat as it was cleaner. She stated many times that a newsroom may have liberals but most editors/publishers are conservatives and they make the rules on what goes in the paper. She also answered that same question correctly in her classes.
LJ/Aquaria @ 54
Press did not wholeheartedly swallow Vietnam BS. Remember Halberstam got it right from the getgo.
SEE THINKPROGRESS FOR SUPREME COURT DECISION UPHOLDING FEDERAL BAN ON PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION. RUTH BADER GINSBURG’S DISSENT IS BLISTERING, BUT MR. BUSH AND SAMMY ALITO GOT THERE WAY.
[Modnote, please don’t shout/caps, thank you]
democrats:
. . .as a former justice department
employee, myself, it deeply concerns me
when an attorney in the justice department,
refuses to comply with an investigation. . .
and it is appropriate to be concerned when
sucha lawyer pleads the fifth .. .
My experience in the media room listening to mainstream journalists covering the Libby trial is that they are eager to cover stories but thwarted early and often by people higher up. For what it’s worth. And they were SICK of covering as they called it “her” [ANS death/corpse news o the day]
“newsroom may have liberals but most editors/publishers are conservatives..”
Which is why any juicy story exposing Republican corruption or describing horrendous conditions in Iraq gets such an impotent headline and below-the-fold, inner-page placement these days.
“The Fix” is in…
JEP–gmta
I owe you a coke probably.
dmg @ 65
It’s true in large markets, too, much bigger than people realize. In fact, the stakes can be much bigger, because the larger papers have more influence.
This isn’t all of what’s fueling this problem. But it’s a big part of it, because the publishers are in bed with a lot of the people that their journalists are getting access to. It’s all part of the same cloth.
Perfect, Christy. And wouldn’t this country be a much better place if people just did their jobs.
Really that’s been the issue with congress as well. All we really want is for them to do their jobs. Day in and day out, have their actions demonstrate the ‘values’ they espouse on the campaign trail. Each and every day. On each and every vote. Before their vote is cast for them to think of who it is they are there to represent. Us. We the people.
If they had done so on the Iraq resolution (appropriately evaluating the data - or lack thereof and thinking of the long-term consequences), the 23 members of the senate who did do their jobs would not have been in the minority and we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in today.
We’d have universal heath care. We’d have an energy policy. Nola would be properly recovered. We’d have verifiable and publicly financed elections. We’d invest in our future by investing in education. We’d overhaul the personal and corporate tax systems. We’d have a country that we could be proud of, elections in which people would want to participate.
Yes, if people would only do their jobs.
John @56,
Brian Williams was just quoted as having the same disdain for bloggers. His comment was something like:
“There’s a guy in the Bronx named Vinny who has an opinion. He lives in his parent’s basement, wears a bathrobe all day and hasn’t been outside in years.”
That may not be exact, but it’s close.
And besides the slur against bloggers, I think there was an underlying racism betrayed by using the name ‘Vinny’. I think he wanted everyone to envision the slacker to be Italian.
Thoughts?
No vote on the Goodling matter.
Next week, apparently
rep. nadler:
“. . .if someone suggests
crimes were committed. . . when
we haven’t said so ourselves, when the
fifth-ranking justice department official
hints that crimes may have been committed,
we ought to seek answers about it. . .“
END OF HEARING.
LJ/Aquaria @ 59
Au contraire, LJ. It’s WE who have forgotten that corporate-owned media vehicles may believe they are the client and reporters their contracted service providers, but WE remain the ultimate source of all their income and validity.
I no longer take any papers except Sunday local news here, solely because it has advertising. I don’t even bother with the rest of the paper. I no longer get the NYT. I’ve dropped TNR. The only money I’ve given in the last year to media has been to Salon and to FireDogLake, and to my local NPR station. Were we to drop all media en masse and simply cover stories ourselves, I think there could be a sea change in corporate-owned media.
But I wouldn’t hold my breath; circulation of major papers has been going down for a long time, replaced by internet-based media, and the dead tree versions have failed to respond appropriately. Let’s just keep by-passing them and do our own research.
egregious @ 73
You got there “first!”
How much does a coke cost in your area?
One Pulitzer finalist that deserves special mention is the investigative team from the Virginian-Pilot of Norfolk, VA, whose series on Blackwater USA did an amazing job of explaining the genesis, tremendous growth and political ties of the mercenary/contract army presence not only in Afghanistan and Iraq — but also in New Orleans after Katrina. Kudos to Bill Sizemore and Joanne Kimberlin on their marvelous work!
John @ 56
Scary. Such self-centeredness.
This should just about say it all.
And, as Matt Taibbi relates: “A hopeless information junkie, he is permanently aroused by the idea that corruption and invisible power are always waiting to be uncovered by the next phone call. Somewhere out there, They are still hiding the story from Us — and that still pisses Hersh off.”
yellowdogD @ 77
This may all be a ploy to further scare AGAG.
egregious @ 45
s m i l e. . .
erh, thank you.
i would prefer not to interrupt other
peoples’ conversations to do this — that
is all — thanks for the sentiment. . .
A RESPONSE FROM MR. HERMANK TO MY EMAIL
“hermank@coxnews.com”
to me
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Ms. Smith,
Thanks for taking the time to contact me. Your views are important and well-expressed.
I do not think I have lost perspective. I can’t speak for others, but I have never been to one of the Washington cocktail parties that many Americans seem to think are where reporters spend a lot of time hanging out with the people we cover. I believe most reporters do maintain the detachment you correctly believe is vital. You can find the proof of that in the questions I and others ask at the daily briefings and presidential press conferences. I encourage you to look at the transcripts of those (available on whitehouse.gov website). Please use that information, as well as what we write, as the best evidence of how we do our jobs. I don’t think you will find us giving “people the benefit of the doubt that should not be given it.”
For me, the “dinner and drinks routine” you mention is a once-a-year event, at a dinner that is held to raise money for journalism scholarships and other journalism-related causes.
Thanks again for taking the time to contact me. I am glad that this means so much to you. Please be assured I share your concerns.
Ken
Mornin’ Christy. You and Scarecrow are really rawkin’ today…and for the MSM lurkers out there, see, this is how one achieves excellence in professionalism. You can do it, too.
Said earlier that Bush corrupts everything he touches, in regard to PBS…and DOJ. Obviously, the Bushies also corrupt those around them. Through bullying tactics of all stripes…nicknames and pushback with big lies and disingenuendo among ‘em.
The Bushies have been able to push their propaganda with the imprimateur of the MSM because the MSM allowed it.
There’s a whole lot of housecleaning to do…because the problem has seeped throughout government and the corporate-interest media. Embedded ideologues need rootin’ out in a whole lot of places.
Inside that bright’n’shiny Red delicious “apple” is a rotten, fetid core.
Be part of the solution…sunshine is a nifty disinfectant.
nolo @ 86
Interrupt away! You have the floor anytime you want.
We kid around about ‘do we have topics?’ but the material you are bringing here is urgent. Keep it up.
Bleah! I’d like to take these so-called reporters and shake them –
Wake up! The journalist’s touchstone used to be objectivity. Snuggling up to your subjects, or worse yet, sucking up to them totally blows your credibility.
I miss Peter Jennings, Walter Cronkite, and Charles Kuralt….
eCAHNomics @ 68
We had the lone wolves here and there for Iraq, too (Seymour Hersh, that old war dog). But, overall–cheerleading. Where were the major papers of the day, on either war? Firmly behind both, including Vietnam, until Tet and the Pentagon Papers. The left was shut out to about the same degree it was for Iraq and for Vietnam. You had a lot of centrists and war-groupies getting all the coverage, both times. The articles of both periods bear it out, and I’ve read enough of both to make me sick.
Not at all, Mr. Herman. We just want you to stop sucking up, ask the hard questions, follow up on good questions, and don’t let them feed you bullshit. When you catch them saying something inaccurate, nail them. Then, report to us.
For the record, this is not called hating. It’s called doing your job. Funny that you think they’re one and the same
OT…but encapsulizes the competency of people in and around the WH…From Reuters…
“Two Secret Service officers were injured on Tuesday after a gun held by another Secret Service officer accidentally fired inside the White House gate, according to a spokesman, Darrin Blackford….
One officer suffered a shrapnel wound to the face, and the other was wounded in the leg.
They were taken to George Washington Hospital.
Here we go again. On the road to Roe v. Wade overturn? Why would a non-wealthy woman vote GOP?
AP - The Supreme Court upheld the nationwide ban on a controversial abortion procedure Wednesday, handing abortion opponents the long-awaited victory they expected from a more conservative bench.
Don’t forget the power of the purse.
Whoever pays the reporters’ salaries will easily control what gets reported. Only those who print what the paymaster wants will get hired or stick around if already there. Even i