
"I’m not sure I'm ready to go the full Derb but I think he's closer to the reality of the situation than most. … Point one: They're not 'children.' The students at Virginia Tech were grown women and — if you'll forgive the expression — men."
My column this week:
There's no polite way or time to say it:
When the hell has that ever stopped you before, darlin'? You might as well quibble about there being no INTELLIGENT way to say it, since that's never stood in your way, either.
American college and universities have become coddle industries. Big Nanny administrators oversee speech codes, segregrated dorms, politically correct academic departments, and designated "safe spaces" to protect students selectively from hurtful (conservative) opinions—while allowing mob rule for approved leftist positions (textbook case: Columbia University's anti-Minuteman Project protesters).
Instead of teaching students to defend their beliefs, American educators shield them from vigorous intellectual debate. Instead of encouraging autonomy, our higher institutions of learning stoke passivity and conflict-avoidance.
And as the erosion of intellectual self-defense goes, so goes the erosion of physical self-defense.
Attorney, Columnist, and Hip, Conservative Info-Babe Commentator, Debbie Schlussel is the VRWC's latest and greatest sexy, blonde, and beautiful commentator. With a law degree, MBA, long blonde tresses, and sports acumen to boot, she's a red-blooded American guy's dream.
If you've heard Rush Limbaugh or Howard Stern talk about her on their national radio shows or seen her speak at the NRA convention, Debbie is proof positive that "Dumb Blonde" is an oxymoron–her beauty and brains are a lethal combination, the reason Ms. Magazine declared Debbie its #1 enemy. To paraphrase "Wayne's World's" Wayne and Garth, if she were President, Debbie Schlussel would be Babe-raham Lincoln.
After a hard day of attempting to blame the VA Tech killings on the International Muslim Conspiracy (the word ‘Asian’ suggesting, to her, a likely MSM code word for ‘Paki’), Debbie Schlussel relaxes by shrieking at her commenters, in her trademark key-poundy all-caps, that she can call the Pakis ‘the Pakis’ any time she feels like it, and WHAT IS THIS–ETHNICITY LESSONS FROM SNOOP DOGG (A/K/A “I CAN CALL THEM HOS AND NIGGAZ BUT YOU CAN’T”)?! UH, SORRY, BUT I DON’T TAKE MY LEXICON AND LINGUISTIC DICTATES FROM YOU. I SUPPOSE NOW YOU’LL BE ATTACKING ME FOR USING THE TERMS CANUCKS, GIRLIE-MEN, AND WIMPS–ALL WHICH LIKELY DESCRIBE YOU. BUH-BYE."
Ms. Schlussel is a Detroit-based attorney.
Gawd. Trainwrecks are, like, soooo 2004.
Then, oh, then! She unearths the Em Ess Em's Big Conspiracy, ignoring the death of an heroic holocaust survivor (guess why!) to play cell-phone footage from the phone of a Palestinian student at the scene.
On the Palestinian side, Jamal Al-Barghouti, a Palestinian Student from the “West Bank” (who grew up in Saudi Arabia) took video of the shooting that made TV worldwide.
His film didn’t save a single person, but he’s getting far more media attention and kudos than the barely-mentioned Librescu is getting. And he used the “opportunity” on CNN, to compare the Virginia Tech massacre to “violence” in the in the “Occupied Territories”. One problem with his story: He grew up in SAUDI ARABIA.
Wondering if he’s related to Palestinian terrorist mastermind Marwan Barghouti, now in prison for planning mass terrorist attacks and homicide bombings, which murdered many Israelis? It’s very likely.
Virginia Tech Shooter Had “Ismail” Written on Arm
By Debbie Schlussel
The Chicago Tribune reports that Virginia Tech University massacre perpetrator, Cho Seung-Hui,
died with the words “Ismail Ax” in red ink on one of his arms.
Hmmm . . . Ismail–the Arabic name for Ishmael–considered the father of all Arabs and a very important figure in Islam.
I’m sure it’s just a coincidence, right? Doesn’t mean anything. Right.
Maybe “Ismail Ax” is the name of a friend of his. Or maybe he wanted to remind himself to buy an Ax for his friend Ismail for next Ramadan. Or I’m sure we’ll hear some other similarly absurd “explanation.” We’ll see.
A commenter refuses to clap his hands and believe in fairies. Debbie goes all-caps again. Blather. Rinse. Repeat.
Trying to tie him to either illegal immigration — he was here legally — or Islamic terrorism — he was an English major, for Cthulhu’s sake — is the epitome of opportunism on your part. You are profiting off of the blood of the murdered.
I’d point out you should be ashamed of yourself, but then you are a lawyer…
THE SAME MEDIA THAT ALSO CONSTANTLY SAYS THAT EVERY ISLAMIC ATTACKER IN THE LAST TWO YEARS HAS BEEN “NUTS”–A/K/A SUDDEN JIHAD SYNDROME. THE MUSLIMS WHO ATTACKED THE SEATTLE JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTER, THE JEW AT THE BALTIMORE MOVIE THEATER, THE STUDENTS AT UNC, TROLLEY SQUARE MALL IN UTAH–THEY WERE ALL “NUTS.” AND ALL MUSLIM.
THE ONLY ONE WHO SHOULD BE ASHAMED HERE IS THE ONE WHO IS WILLINGLY WEARING BLINDERS AS HIS/HER NEWEST FASHION ACCESSORY: YOU.
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL
I like the way she signs it at the end, as if that stream of sub-verbal drivel could emanate from anyplace else.
Today, well, I'll let Gavin give you the Shorter Debbie Schlussel:
THE WASHINGTON POST PUT VILE COCKROACH MUSLIMS ON THE COVER!!! IS THIS A MISTAKE HAHAHA NO!!!! THE MSM IS COZY IN BED WITH THE INTERNATIONAL JEWISH CONSPIRA…wait, I mean Muslim…SPIRACY!!!
Ye gods. Even her readers are sick of it now:
Comments
Debbie,
Why does this picture anger you so? Is it because you were dead wrong about the shootings being about jihad?
Ouch. Even the Red-Blooded American Guys who like her writing are seeing their way clear through Teh Stoopid.
This crass, craven, disingenuous attempt to tie a random act of violence into Teh Preznint's Great And Exalted Never-Ending War on Terra has been brought to you by The Right Wing Authoritarian Cult, Gilbey's Gin, The Michigan Bar Association, and America's Clearly Disintegrating Law Schools. Schlussel should team up with Ann Althouse to see which one can out-hissy the other.
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Spotlight
Evenin’ TRex!
What kind of fuckery is this?!?!
TRex!
Somehow “hip” and “conservative” just don’t go together.
I was reading her crap the other night. Gawd damn she is a rotten excuse of a human being.
Thugs. Thugs and barbarians. Even the most ardent Fox viewer has to be hearing these horrendous statements and saying to themselves “You know, that just isn’t right.”
TREXXXXX!!!!!
Does Debbie the Dimbulb really answer comments in ALL CAPS? Does she understand what that means here on the Internets? That would put her on the same level of stupid as drive-by creationist trolls.
Wow, Deb…
I hope that when they have the opportunity to soil themselves in fear that it is publicized for their benefit.
newsholes should be wired to a lie detector with the readout on the screen. that would make it rather easy to see that their only rotten actors that want attention. could we make that mandatory? perhaps show who pays the pundithole for the opinions on the ticker at the bottom of the screen? pulse rate on the top right? URL reference to the truth from public record on the top ticker? party affiliation flashing next to their face?
would sure put these pimps back in the unemployment line for a chance at a fine job in the food service or housekeeping industries (from ghostbusters)
How appalling. Here’s hoping the pendulum swings and these kinds of attitudes aren’t given further credence. Ugh.
Hi all
EvilDrPuma @
2
Seriously fucking fucked-up fuckery.
EvilDrPuma @
2
Full on ass fuckery I would say (as in Tiajuana donkey show). That would seem to be about Ms. Schlussel’s speed.
Hey, Cassie. Did the tests go OK?
dakine, left you a baseball-related note downstairs
When Malkkkin said “American college and universities have become coddle industries”, did she mean Pat Robert’s school?.
screwed , blued , and tattooed.
I’m still annoyed with KO, and then to encounter this kind of drivel….yeesh. These people are beneath contempt, even.
Why does this feel like the twilight zone?
EvilDrPuma @ 15
2 down. 2 to go. This is the stupidest most boring week of the entire school year!
Handelsman Gay Marriage animated cartoon, part of the group that won the Pulitzer: Gay Marriage
It is worth the time to watch!
ccmask @ 16
Yeah, she’s hilarious. I work at a university that won’t notify a student’s parents of a suicide attempt for “privacy reasons.” Some coddling, huh?
Snarkassandra @ 20
I’ve little respect for standardized testing, and I hear that they lay it on thick in Texas. I have a niece in kindergarten down there and two nephews who’ll get there in two and three years, so I’m not thrilled.
well despite all (because of?) the dow broke 12,000 today.
curious
I knew I recognized that name.
Irony: what if Debbie’s first “steady” died saving her life ? Sadly, I think she’d be able to “move-on”.
I’m gonna offer an opinion (and slightly informed by the Rude Pundit).
I think we should “move-on” as fast as possible from this tragedy, honoring the deceased and the grieving, and not trying to “own” the event from any political perspective.
YOU EVEN GET TO WITNESS DEBBIE YELLING HER COMMENTS IN THE COMMENTS SECTION AT ANYONE WHO DARES QUESTION HER VERSION OF CONSERVATIVE REALITY!!!!!!!!
-gsd
You have NO IDEA how much time we spend on TAKS practice, real TAKS, benchmark tests, end of unit tests, end of semester exams, and PSAT practice.
GSD @ 27
I NOTICED THAT!!!!! DOES SHE KNOW WHAT KIND OF FREAKIN’ LUNATIC SHE LOOKS LIKE, OR DOES SHE JUST NOT CARE?!?!?!
Shadowstalker @ 19
agreed
not one word of the tragedy on the daily show tonite – at least that crew didn’t sell out to boost their ratings. or maybe the pics/videos hit the media too late for their taping. we’ll see what they do on tomorrow nite’s show.
Nice catch, Lou!
Snarkassandra @ 28
“Teaching to the test.” Believe me, it does students no favors by the time they get into college and can’t write a five-page essay.
Educated Plaintiff @ 25
Fox News declares massacres great for the economy.
-GSD
ccmask @ 17
Coddled?
State budget cuts (pick a state, any state) have fried many a college.
Federal unfunded mandates (SEVIS, for example) have scrambled the student affairs offices of many a college.
Outrageous games of student and parent expectations have left many a college admissions officer raw.
Coddled? Not on the menu at any school I’ve seen.
EvilDrPuma @ 30
NAH, SHE DON’T CARE!!!!
EvilDrPuma @
8
That’s our Debbie Dong-Surfer.
Everything seems to lead back to Iraq……
April 18,2007 | WASHINGTON — The sister of the gunman responsible for the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history works as a contractor for a State Department office that oversees billions of dollars in American aid for Iraq.
Sun Kyong-Cho is employed by the Iraq Reconstruction Management Office, according to U.S. officials and a State Department staff directory that says she works from an annex near the department’s headquarters in Washington.
Messages left on her office voicemail, in which she identifies herself as “Sun Cho,” were not immediately returned on Wednesday.
The Virginia Tech gunman was her brother, Cho Seung-Hui. Thirty-three people died in the rampage Monday, including the 23-year-old student, who committed suicide.
Spokesman Sean McCormack declined to discuss Sun Cho’s status but told reporters “this person is not a direct-hire employee of the State Department.” He declined to comment further, citing privacy concerns. Other U.S. officials confirmed she works for a contractor.”……..
http://www.salon.com/wire/ap/a…..ARK80.html
American college and universities have become coddle industries. Big Nanny administrators….
It drives me nuts when the right balks about the nanny state. Let’s see.. the right wants to tell me whatI can watch on TV, what type of music I can listen to, who I can marry, who I can fuck, what I can do with my uterus, whether or not I can kill my own self, and so much more. If that’s not a nanny state what is?
jinny @ 37
Sorry to be so blunt, but…why the fuck should I care where his sister works?
I seem to recall hearing in legal ethics class in law school that lawyers are not supposed to bring dishonor on the legal profession.
I do not recall specifically whether acting like a xenophobic racist wingnut idiot in public was prohibited by that tenet.
The point might be moot if she did not proclaim her status as a lawyer in her Web site.
LoudounLib @
16
Saw it thanks. my reply was “Unfortuantely, my Reds lost damnit. :}(
Execution Manager. Says it all.
AZ Matt @ 36
It’s actually a liberal plot. Someone snuck in, permanently set her “caps lock” key, and snuck out again.
I blame Clinton.
ccmask @ 32
THX ccm. Did you see my reply to you on the last thread?
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-632536
GSD @
28
Conservative Reality is to Reality as President Commander Codpiece is to President (Fill in the blank with your private favorite)
Let us not forget Commander Codpiece in his moment of challenge…sat reading The Pet Goat for 7 minutes.
I don’t recall any Chow Yun Fat backflips out of the room.
-GSD
EvilDrPuma @ 33
My language arts teacher wants us to write the perfect paragraph.
I just saw that “Execution Manager” title change on the Daily Show. When I’m working days (this week, with overtime) that show becomes utterly indispensable as a news source, since I can’t keep up on the blogs.
Snarkassandra @ 46
Gah! Yeah, I’ll let you know when I finally write the “perfect paragraph.” You’ve got to be bored silly in school, and that’s a crying shame for a smart kid.
EvilDrPuma @
33
Amen! I second that thought. “Teaching to the test” does massive damage to students’ ability to think and link events and concepts together.
Snarkassandra @ 47
The perfect paragraph . . . hmmmm . . . must have a good beginning:
“It was a dark and stormy night . . .”
Or perhaps:
“When in the course of human events . . .”
Which is where Right Wingers come from.
This is silly, but the picture you have is of Janice, fer shurley one switched on Electric Mayhem guitar player. I mean, in the Muppet Movie in the late-70s, she’s talking about organic farming and peace love and happiness. Janice is the anti-Schlussel.
DrDick @ 51
EvilDrPuma @
33
Snarkassandra @ 28
Amen! I second that thought. “Teaching to the test” does massive damage to students’ ability to think and link events and concepts together.
Ya, but it makes politicians feel like they helped education by shoving these tests down peoples throats.
Good Grief!11one!!!!!!
Snarkassandra@48
You’ve written several of them, both here and on your blog. Just refer her to them.
AZ Matt @ 53
…which is because they don’t know how to use their brains, and therefore should find somebody else to tell them how to “help education.” Like maybe, I don’t know…an educator?
Shadowstalker @ 55
That thought had occurred to me, too.
bonkers @ 54
Well, really I wanted Miss Piggy, but there might be some problems with that.
All in all, I just wanted to emphasize Miz Schlussel’s Muppet-y qualities.
Shadowstalker @ 57
THANK YOU!!!!
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 56
Ya suppose she wrote that with the accompinament of a glass of wine?
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 56
We’d send a grief counselor by there, but they’re a bit busy right now.
EvilDrPuma @ 58
Yes, but the Bush administration has banned consulting experts (or at least listening to them and following their advice).
Babe? I saw the picture. No way. Not even 15 years ago. She even makes Malkincontinent look good. Well, good is a relative term.
Found this on the reaction blogspot, called :”monster in the Mirror”
….I just came across this paragraph from a post on Blogs for Bush [I will not link, that’s what The Google is for] regarding the “monster among us” as reason for the Virginia Tech shootings:
The monster I refer to is the monumental depravity of our society – the combination of glorified violence, socially acceptable rudeness, a sea of pornography, seeking to assign blame rather than accept responsibility, rampant greed for the things of the world, the concept of “its ok to lie” in certain circumstances…you mix this vile brew and you will be forced to drink it to the dregs…and what happened [Monday] was just another sip of the cup.
This Bush booster needs to take a good long look into his conservative mirror.
Glorified violence: the war in Iraq, a death penalty lust, torture
Socially acceptable rudeness: the vice president telling Senator Leahy to “go fuck himself,” Bush’s use of the middle finger
Sea of pornography: Libby’s novel, Bill O’Reilly’s novel, Lynne Cheney’s novel
Assign blame rather than accept responsibility: Alberto Gonzales re AttorneyGate, Donald Rumsfeld re Abu Ghraib
Rampant greed: war for oil, war for Haliburton, corporate cronies
The concept of “it’s ok to lie” in certain circumstances: Gonzales, Libby, Rove, Cheney, Bush
http://the-reaction.blogspot.com/
a lot more at the link.
start_beating_around_the_bush @ 65
Malkkkin look good???? What are you, some kind of necrophiliac?
TRex @ 60
What type of problems? Copywrite problems or Debbie is a Piggy problems?
Peterr @ 52
“
It was the best of times,.
.
.
It was the worst of times and NOW would be the time for all good [wo]men to come to the aid of their party!”
That picture of Miss Debbie scared me. I was expecting to see a pretty woman after reading the bio TRex provided us and that she wrote. UGLY, I SAY!
I’d never heard of this woman before this week.
start_beating_around_the_bush @ 65
And I think we’re going to need to send that photo on her website to Confederate Yankee to see if he can check the kerning and tell us how many layers of Photoshop she’s wearing in that shot.
Wow! la Malkin has a mole! Where is it? We know she rides a broomstick.
I think we should send it to darkblack.
DrDick @ 67
I am on my third beer.
Ah, standardized testing . . . I’ve got a little movie playing in my head . . .
Scene one:
The Speaker of the House: “The clerk will report the bill.”
The Clerk of the House: “A bill, to require the Congress of the United States to spend three hours each Thursday morning studying for, taking, and being graded on standardized tests at the high school level in history, biology, mathematics, English, and one language other than English.”
Scene Two:
The Speaker of the House: “The Sergeant at Arms will pass out the Blue Books. Members are to remove everything else from their desks, except for a number two pencil. Should you need a new pencil, raise your hand and a page will bring you one. There will be no talking.”
Scene Three:
Clerk: “Please put your pencils down — time is up. Close your books, and trade papers with someone across the aisle. . . . The answer to number one is “Iraq.” Number two is “Australia.” . . .
oh – for the good old days of the imus story eh? actually, here’s a bit of good news on that front
Music Execs Discuss Rap Lyrics
From Associated Press
April 18, 2007 9:40 PM EDT
NEW YORK – In the wake of Don Imus’ firing for his on-air slur about the Rutgers women’s basketball team, a high-powered group of music-industry executives met privately Wednesday to discuss sexist and misogynistic rap lyrics.
During the furor that led to Imus’ fall last week from his talk-radio perch, many of his critics carped as well about offensive language in rap music.
The meeting, called by hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons’ Hip-Hop Summit Action Network, was held at the New York home of Lyor Cohen, chairman and chief executive of U.S. music at Warner Music Group. The summit, which lasted several hours, did not result in any specific initiative.
snip
After the meeting ended, it was unclear whether there would be another one. Simmons’ publicist released a short statement that described the topic as a “complex issue that involves gender, race, culture and artistic expression. Everyone assembled today takes this issue very seriously.”
Although no recommendations emerged, the gathering was significant for its who’s-who list of powerful music executives.
Simmons declined to comment through a spokeswoman. But he appeared this week with others at a two-day town hall meeting on “The Oprah Winfrey Show” to discuss the issue. While Simmons, Liles and the rapper Common agreed “there is a problem,” Simmons cautioned against trying to limit rappers’ free-speech rights.
He said that “poets” always come under fire for their unsanitized descriptions of the world.
“We’re talking about a lot of these artists who come from the most extreme cases of poverty and ignorance … And when they write a song, and they write it from their heart, and they’re not educated, and they don’t believe there’s opportunity, they have a right, they have a right to say what’s on their mind,” he said.
“Whether it’s our sexism, our racism, our homophobia or our violence, the hip-hop community sometimes can be a good mirror of our dirt and sometimes the dirt that we try to cover up,” Simmons said. “Pointing at the conditions that create these words from the rappers … should be our No. 1 concern.”
Common said criticism of rappers and their music should come with love. “When I talk to the cats, regardless of rap, when I talk to cats on the street, they don’t wanna be in that situation,” the rapper said. “We don’t wanna be in this painful situation. We want it to heal. And we are apologizing for … the disrespect that does come from the mouths of men to women whatever color.”
snip
Peterr @ 75
You need to have him spend 30 minutes telling you how to fill in a bubble and that you can’t have a cell phone or a dictionary.
Hey, I just remembered that GRIMALKIN was the name of a witch’s cat in Shakespeare’s Macbeth! Ha!
Loo Hoo @ 70
Me either, and then KO last night had her as worst person. Who is she? Are we giving her too much publicity/attention? Think she googles herself every night and really doesn’t care what we say as long as we are talking about her?
Well, there’s always the chance that the Lefty Frag Hags will take my calling Schlussel Miss Piggy to be further evidence of my “misogyny”, and the last thing we need right now is a shooting war with the Professional Victims’ Choir.
meanwhile, i wonder if they even bothered to read up on how the students in room 207 — even though they had been gunned down, and many of those who hadn’t been killed were bleeding from gunshot wounds — manged to barricade the door when the gunman came back, like something out of a teen scream movie.
even then, gunman wasn’t finished — he shot through the door, and managed to injure at least a few more students. but they held him off, and soon heard him take his own life.
wondering exactly how puffed-up brave right-wing keyboarders would do under similar circumstances. the students, men and women both, did themselves proud. they resisted, and others tried to help stop the wounded stop their bleeding.
linky
OT, I know, but Elayne Boosler says some nice, relevant things here.
An apple a day, right?
Good night all! Seeya T-Rex. Dazzling as usual.
TRex @ 80
I’m a straight, white, staunchly feminist woman. Want me to do it?
Where on earth do the neocons find these nuts?
And that kind of gratuitous self-glorification is nauseating. I especially hate the conflation of her supposed attractiveness with her conservatism, as if the two are in any way related, or as if her purported attractiveness has anything to do with the quality or validity of her writing. I wonder when Ann Althouse will start talking about Schlussel’s breasts…
TRex @ 60
Would this one work? Might have the same concerns though.
I wonder if she sings “I’ts not easy being
greenmean”.Cute. I applaud TRex’s dissection of shreiking harpies trying to elbow their way into political discourse. It needs to be done and no one does a more superb job of fisking than our beloved TRex.
Why does it matter? Please google blood libel in wikipedia. A meme get’s put forth, get’s wind in her sails and before you know it, nations ignite.
TRex, you are doing important work that many, including myself cannot. I hope to return to the blogosphere with my voice to add to the sound and fury, and I will, but thank you TRex for smacking down silly little split tails like Shlutty.
From the Wikipedia:
A grimalkin is defined as an old or evil-looking she-cat. The term stems from gray (the color) plus malkin, an archaic word for cat. Scottish legend makes reference to the grimalkin as a faery cat which dwells in the highlands.
During the Middle ages, the name grimalkin – and cats in general – became associated with the devil and witchcraft. Women tried as witches in the 16th, 17th and 18th centuries were often accused of having a familiar, frequently a grimalkin.
Snarkassandra @
12
Hey, Cassie – you got a few suggestions of women to admire last night after you signed off – might be worth a look. Mine was Fannie Lou Hamer – but there were other good ones which my feeble memory doesn’t recall.
Ledeen today:
Ledeen a while ago:
Where is Billmon when you need him?
LS @
43
When dealing with gov’t organizations, a lot of thought NEVER goes into naming. Back when I worked DoD projects, I was working on AWACS related systems. New project came down initially called Radar Improvement Project. Shortened to R.I.P. Not a good name. Then became Improved Radar Program or IRP. sounded like digestive problem. Finally became Radar System Improvement Program or RSIP. But it took thee tries to get something acceptable.
We’ve just gone from War Czar to Execution Manager. One more try to go.
QuietStorm @ 85
It would be a pretty short post, methinks.
Okay, heading home, friendz. See you in a bit.
Mutant Poodle @ 90
I did look. Aunt Betsy told me they were there. Thanks!
I don’t know about college, but I had the best 8th grade teacher ever who had us debating everything and defending our beliefs and THINKING!
dakine01 @ 90
How about “Additional Nonaccountability Achievement Layer” (ANAL)?
EvilDrPuma @ 96
Works for me but I’m sure someone would figure out the acronym and complain.
Snarkassandra @ 95
Well, good professors (the majority in my experience) try to encourage students to do just that. Unfortunately after 12 years of “teaching to the test” it is often an uphill battle to even get them to think.
jinny @
38
I’m sure it’s a complete coincidence but … scroll down
Snarkassandra @ 95
Well, by vigorous exchange of ideas, they mean (for example) should we invade Iran or simply bomb it into the stone age. (Of course, supporting both would be an accepable, divergent view.)
Jeez.
EvilDrPuma @
2
Pretty crappery thuggery, especially considering someone on Facebook put up a group to honor the teacher that tried to save his class, and one of the people that joined the group posted the Steyn column … ughh!!!
EvilDrPuma @ 96
I love you – even though I know there is a nice mrspuma
Don’t forget Debdeb’s reference to HOprah this week. That was special. It seems she’s doing a regular HOprah Watch.
Shadowstalker @ 82
Wow. I had no idea she could write like that! Thanks.
Snarkassandra @ 95
Your 8th grade teacher sounds exceptional and would likely appreciate a note from you acknowledging her skills and what it meant to you….and/or cut & paste your kind words, copy and mail to her with the FDL – link and your new online name. I only taught school briefly but I gotta tell ya nothing lifts the spirit of a teacher more than knowing they make a difference in their students life.
;~)
Way off topic —
How can the white house ask to see the RNC emails? Is that allowed? Isn’t the party supposed to be separate from the White House.
(Going to bed in 15 min but will check the thread in the morning.)
Snarkassandra @ 106
They can’t, Cassie – they are just stalling
interestingly, crooks and liars has a neat take on how schlussel is trying to pump her right-wing bona fides so as to get picked up from the minor leagues. and minor they are — there are trafic stats and everything.
scroll down; it’s about the ninth post on the c&l homepage.
Snarkassandra @ 106
Unfortunately, this administration has no respect for propriety, law, or human decency. Also after six years of the rubber stamp Republican Congress, they are used to being able to do whatever they want.
Snarkassandra @ 104
I think it’s very, very fishy; and yes, the party is supposed to be separate from the White House. But little things like ethics and responsibility in government are just minor irritations to Der Shrubbenfuhreradministration.
OK! Let’s play How Pissed is Waxman!
Here is Today’s Henry Letter to the RNC. On a scale from 1 to 10 with 10 SuperExtremelyPissed how pissed do you think Henry is?
VJB @ 78
Nice catch, perfect for MM, should stick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimalkin
Snarkassandra @ 106
Short answer: They can’t. But it will go to the courts.
RNC is not a part of the Government or Executive Branch. If the Republics try this, then they admit they broke the law by not protecting Presidential communications. Since they are not part of teh Government, there can be no Executive Privilege. So they should be pretty much screwed anyway you look at it. But they will try to obfuscate and confuse for as long as they can.
Snarkassandra @ 106
The question is why when Jr. asks staff if there is something in those e-mails he needs to hang his executive privelege petard on staff sez “maaaaybeeee”.
So disturbing….so sad…I am physically sick from what Debbie says…she isn’t human.
I would have to say we are at about 12 on the PO scale.
Well sure, in any other administration than this one.
AZ Matt @ 109
I’d say “8.” At “9″ the subpoenas start flying; at “10″ he goes for contempt and obstruction.
AZ Matt @ 111
I’d put it at a polite 8.5. He ain’t gonna take no shit from ‘em, that’s fer sure.
i need to get to bed so i can be fresh for the hearing tomorrow. (rubs hands in anticipation)
for me this is gonna be GREAT even if nothing else comes out of it other then seeing abu defend how his prior statements under oath have been contradicted. hehehe
nite all ~
Helen @ 107
In ‘good faith’ of course.
DrDick @ 116
Go Big Hank!
“Rightard ” is my new favorite neologism!
Snarkassandra @ 94
Mutant Poodle @ 90
Snarkassandra @
12
Hi all
Hey, Cassie – you got a few suggestions of women to admire last night after you signed off – might be worth a look. Mine was Fannie Lou Hamer – but there were other good ones which my feeble memory doesn’t recall.
I did look. Aunt Betsy told me they were there. Thanks!
hi,just came in.sorry to be so confusing last night snarkassia.
inspirational women:
Marilyn Waring.(alive and kicking)
as a member of parliment in New Zealand she crossed the floor to vote for that country to be a nuclear free zone.
her book,closely written with index and footnotes
Counting for Nothing.
what men value & what women are worth.
pub Allen & Unwin New Zealand Limited 1988
ISBN 0 86861 571 4
is well worth the hunt.
AZ Matt @ 111
I love this game; thank you for asking me to play. I think Henry is only at 7ish cuz he says: While the “search term” approach was offered in good faith by the RNC counsel….”
He has lots more pissy things to say…just watch.
cal @ 123
Yes, but I think we really need something better to capture the true essence of darling Debbie’s depth of misunderstanding, irrationality, and depravity.
Cassie,
I had a great teacher in that grade, too. Every time I heard Molly Ivins speak, that was how Miss Beheeler sounded.
She was big on making us think of new ways to say things; she hated trite expressions. I remember her saying she’d do something or other until she was ‘green in the face.’ We learned iambic pentameter (and all the other measures of verse) and had so much vocab homework, it was silly, but she made it fun.
AZ Matt @ 111
I am just glad he is not mad at ME!
I liked Debbie Schlussel and Ann Coulter when they were in Nelson together. And I fucking hated them then.
Educated Plaintiff @ 120
Nite nite and thanks for bringing up tomorrow’s hearing – so it is true – the hearing with Gonzales is on in the morning?
Don’t cha just hate it when you can’t follow fdl all day and nite and miss critical news? I sure do. Thanks for indulging me pups with begging confirmation Gonzales is still going to be on deck manana.
AZ Matt–
That’s a 10. Subpoenas start flying when you get a COMMITTEE average of 8, when you hit a committee average of 9 there are articles of impeachment being drawn up and voted on, and when you hit 9.5, those articles pass.
Lawnguylander @ 129
roflmao
Lawnguylander @ 129
DeBann search for the wingnut welfare system. One has found it, the other is grasping. Both are desperate. They will do well, but we need to look forus.
newspaperbrat @ 130
CSPAN3 at 9:30. Surely you have your popcorn ready.
Waxman gets it. I forget who mentioned it here recently, but limiting access to search terms is a deliberate way break up visualizing the chain of communication. Certain keys nodes of info including those involved get lost without a full ability to follow the threads beneathe artificial filters in an uninterrupted way.
newspaperbrat @ 130
from my cspan daily newsletter:
CSPAN 1 – Senate Hearing with Atty. Gen. Alberto Gonzales on DOJ Oversight (9:30am) – LIVE
CSPAN 3 – Senate Hearing with Atty. Gen. Gonzales on Dept. of Justice Oversight (9:30am) – LIVE
hows that for confirmation?
nitey nite
see ya in the tv ;)
there are people who simply radiate such calming, kind and generous vibes you can forgive them whatever foibles they fall heir to.
there are others who, it wouldn’t matter if they saved abandoned newborn triplets from a dumpster fire, their innate meanness and calculated hatemongering mark them as mentally diseased creatures who must be avoided if one is to maintain a healthy attitude.
exactly which camp would these dye-job pundit wannabes belong to?
I gotta go too, y’all…off to bed, with visions of Gonzo twisting in the wind dancing in my head…
My “favorite” part of the rnc response per Waxman’s letter — there will be no meeting until seasrch terms are agreed on.
Isn’t that the purpose of a meeting? To try to resolve disagreements?
Sigh. They’re just following the rule of the Bushies – never talk to your opponents, only to your friends, insist on their agreeing to your terms before you can negotiate on terms…in other words, do everything 180 degrees from the way that might actually accomplish something.
Delurking in the manner of a submarine rising to periscope depth to take a quick look around, always keeping open the option of quickly submerging.
Educated Plaintiff @ 136
newspaperbrat @ 130
Educated Plaintiff @ 120
i need to get to bed so i can be fresh for the hearing tomorrow. (rubs hands in anticipation)
for me this is gonna be GREAT even if nothing else comes out of it other then seeing abu defend how his prior statements under oath have been contradicted. hehehe
nite all ~
Nite nite and thanks for bringing up tomorrow’s hearing – so it is true – the hearing with Gonzales is on in the morning?
Don’t cha just hate it when you can’t follow fdl all day and nite and miss critical news? I sure do. Thanks for indulging me pups with begging confirmation Gonzales is still going to be on deck manana.
from my cspan daily newsletter:
CSPAN 1 – Senate Hearing with Atty. Gen. Alberto Gonzales on DOJ Oversight (9:30am) – LIVE
CSPAN 3 – Senate Hearing with Atty. Gen. Gonzales on Dept. of Justice Oversight (9:30am) – LIVE
hows that for confirmation?
nitey nite
see ya in the tv ;)
Good evening all.
Will someone from FDL be live-blogging? How does this work for hearings?
Helen @ 134
newspaperbrat @ 130
Educated Plaintiff @ 120
i need to get to bed so i can be fresh for the hearing tomorrow. (rubs hands in anticipation)
for me this is gonna be GREAT even if nothing else comes out of it other then seeing abu defend how his prior statements under oath have been contradicted. hehehe
nite all ~
Nite nite and thanks for bringing up tomorrow’s hearing – so it is true – the hearing with Gonzales is on in the morning?
Don’t cha just hate it when you can’t follow fdl all day and nite and miss critical news? I sure do. Thanks for indulging me pups with begging confirmation Gonzales is still going to be on deck manana.
CSPAN3 at 9:30. Surely you have your popcorn ready.
6:30 pdt
Helen @ 134
newspaperbrat @ 130
Educated Plaintiff @ 120
i need to get to bed so i can be fresh for the hearing tomorrow. (rubs hands in anticipation)
for me this is gonna be GREAT even if nothing else comes out of it other then seeing abu defend how his prior statements under oath have been contradicted. hehehe
nite all ~
Nite nite and thanks for bringing up tomorrow’s hearing – so it is true – the hearing with Gonzales is on in the morning?
Don’t cha just hate it when you can’t follow fdl all day and nite and miss critical news? I sure do. Thanks for indulging me pups with begging confirmation Gonzales is still going to be on deck manana.
CSPAN3 at 9:30. Surely you have your popcorn ready.
Thank ye thank ye – no cspan 3 but confident I can follow it online. No popcorn on hand Helen but have a good stock of frozen waffles and Midnight Dark Milky Ways. woo hoo!
Hey Texas Betsy. Welcome and I love this tag team blogging!!
Hey Texas Betsy,
Just wanted to say that you have a hell of an impressive young woman there in Ms. Cassie. You are obviously doing something right. Keep up the good work.
Helen @ 144
How are you this evening?
Yeah, but what the hell is he really going to do? I’ve been hearing a lot of bluster out of these committees, but how many subpoenas have actually been served? Where’s the consequences?
These old men need to go ahead and bring the pain if they’re going to do it. Bush won’t listen to any other form of persuasion.
By the way, did anyone hear his statement after his meeting with the Democrats today? It sounds like they kicked him in the nuts. He sounds exhausted, out of temper, and chastened. I think the Democrats made it pretty clear that they aren’t budging.
Nancy, on the other hand, sounded great. “We’ve made things clear to the president. We’ll see what he does now.”
So I heard Debbie this morning on KSFO. I couldn’t really believe it. Of course Rodgers and Morgan agreed with her, until she started trashing George Soros! Then they stopped her and did a “For the record,” correction.
So I think that when someone wrote them and to stop calling Soros a Nazi they got the message.
But she still HAD to get her points out about the Palestinian with the cell phone camera.
And of course this calling the student’s weak because they didn’t jump the guy (based no data that they didn’t) is really sick. Blame the victim, is their new outcry.
One caller blamed feminism for making all the men too weak to respond.
Right. What if you found out that a woman rushed the guy and took a bullet in the chest?
Would that satisfy you?
They are soooo afraid of looking like women or gays and they associate that with weakness. The women and gays that I know are braver than these jerks. Enlist already of you want to show how tough you are.
Asshats.
dmg @ 137
When it comes to people who simply radiate calming, kind and generous vibes Ann Coulter immediately comes to mind. Dontcha think?
DrDick @ 145
Thank you. She’s only been with me for the past two years, but I’ll gladly accept any praise you’re handing out.
Morris Sheppard @
140
ping
Morris Sheppard @ 149
i was gonna say.
Newspaper at 143 and Texas Betsy at 141. I will try to – I have a meeting at 9:30 and then I will blog (via CSPAN) as soon as I am done.
DrDick @ 145
DING!
newspaperbrat @ 154
Stupid question. DING! means “I agree” ?
DrDick @ 143
I’m pretty sure she could kick some booty in a college classroom, as is.
Texas Betsy @ 150
As the father of a recently 34 year old son, I know how hard it is raising children. From my perspective the fact that he is currently a good husband and loving father is one of my greatest rewards. Seems I did something right as well, though God knows how.
My son is pretty impressive as well, but doesn’t come to blogs.
More like (game-show host voice), “YOU ARE CORRECT!!”
[/game show host]
TRex @ 147
Seems Josh Marshall dug up this tidbit from today’s Dems meeting with Shrub.
http://electioncentral.tpmcafe…..gressively
I think we may be in for a fun summer!
TRex @ 147
I was a HUGE feminist when I was young (before it was kewl). Then I went on with my life – (you know, paying the bills and such). And now I am so psyched that it is a woman who is going to save this country, I cannot tell you.
EvilDrPuma @ 156
Mommybrain @ 151
Now you’ve done it! Down ’scope. Dive! Dive! Dive!
Texas Betsy @ 156
I have no reason not to take your word for that.
EvilDrPuma @ 164
I also am convinced.
Good night, pups. I’ll have a big bowl of popcorn ready in the morning.
Atikar @ 160
WOW! This is getting interesting.
APRIL 19th…need I say more?
http://www.infoplease.com/dayinhistory
*’shot heard round the world’, Waco, OKC…do I detect a pattern?
DrDick @ 157
Oh, hey, if you go here, you can hear two tracks off the NEW TORI AMOS ALBUM!!!
I love, love, LOVE “Bouncing Off Clouds”. I can’t stop listening to it.
I like it in Big Wheel, though, when she says, “Baby, I don’t need your cash/I’m an M.I.L.F./Don’t you forget/M.I.L.F./Don’t you forget!”
TRex @ 170
Dude, You got to get you some Shemekia Copeland. That girl will blow your socks off. (Ain’t nothin’ like a second generation Texas blues woman).
This is my son’s only published writing, but it is pretty fabulous. He knows I work with immigrants and refugees and has met some of the African war refugees. Used one of them as the basis for this piece for his English class.
TRex @ 147
Someone needs to photoshop Nancy’s face onto the nun with a ruler from The Blues Brothers, with that quote as a caption!
I may be a lone voice here, but there is one point I would take exception to: in such a situation, your odds may be significantly better attacking (especially en mass, and from all directions) than hiding and waiting for him to get around to shooting you.
If nothing else, your chance of getting prompt medical attention goes way up as soon as the loony has been incapacitated.
If you find yourself in such a situation (or, say, on a hijacked plane) where a nutjob or nutjobs have taken control, your rational best strategy may be to make getting them gone your top priority–which, incidentally, is why I’m such a strong advocate for impeachment. Even if there is significant personal risk or cost involved, you may still be better off than if you played it “safe” and quietly waited your turn to be shot.
– MarkusQ
Redshift @ 173
Excellent image!
Trex @ 147 -
It has not been as blustery as you seem to think. Ask Kyle Sampson, ask Lurita Doan. Tomorrow when he is done in front of the Senate committee ask Gonzo. Pelosi will get stuff done because there are these investigations going on and the Repub/Bushies are looking like crap. While I wish it could be speeded up too, these guys do have day jobs.
MarkusQ @ 174
Markus, I heartily urge you to listen to this survivor’s account. It sounds like Cho just opened the doors to the rooms and fired into them. It happened very fast. People barely had time to take cover. There are some stories of people who were heroically able to barricade a door, but most of these kids never had a chance.
Lou Costello @ 168
Quite a lot of events for a single date in history!
AZ Matt @
111
Bout as pissed off as I am. A 10.
Lou Costello @ 168
Well, there is, but it’s not a mysterious coincidence. McVeigh specifically chose that date because of Waco, and I believe there was some indication of a similar connection with Columbine, though it may not have been as explicit. And this guy considered the Columbine shooters “martyrs,” so perhaps the least surprising thing about the incident is that it was nearly the same date.
Please note this from Christy’s post this morning:
Conflict of interest is not a new or profound concept, but Republican act as though they’ve never heard of it.
So, I’ll keep saying it: the problem is not “Bushism”, rather it’s Republicanism. Let’s go after the real evil.
MarkusQ @ 174
Reality is rather different from Rambo. Most soldiers in combat do not react the way you suggest, but rather first duck for cover and then think about firing back. Many never do fire back. Those who act the way you suggest get medals for exceptional bravery.
Wigwam @ 181
“Conflict of Interest” is the standard operating procedure of these republicans.
TRex @ 177
the kids did all right, in my book.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/us/18german.html
Texas Betsy – No small wonder you are so proud of your son and thanks so much for the link to his writing – deeply moving and so important and under-reported by the miserable main stream media. Kudos to you all and especially you Momma/Aunt Betsy!
Perhaps very Off Topic but worth a mention as an excellent example of McCain Senile Dementia that qualifies to almost beat Debbie’s Dumb-assery!
Well, well I’m sure that the Marines and National Guardsmen being sent to Iraq find solace in the idea that McCain believes that militias should not be disarmed!
I’m sure that the idea that there should be no restrictions on whom and where concealed weapons can be carried will make passengers on airlines, teachers in High Schools,
parole officers and communities that deal with ex-felons, family members and just the general public that have to deal with mentally ill and depressed individuals, judges and legislators, and a host of others feel MUCH, MUCH safer!
MR. McCAIN! If you oppose gun control so fervently let me suggest you ask your fellow Republican members of Congress to end the ban on weapons in the Executive government buildings and the Halls of Congress. Oh, and before that say you will not report or prosecute any armed individual that brandishes a weapon in your own personal offices.
After all- you oppose ANY form of gun control!
Finally, I have an issue I am expert on — middle-aged women! This “Debbie” is 50 if she is a day.
I have seen this time and again in chatrooms — usually from cutie-pies in high school who can’t handle it when they turn about 25. They put all their eggs in the “cutie” basket and didn’t bother to get educations, work their way up in jobs, etc. From age 25, it is all downhill for them. (And most married their teenage boyfriends, who ended up abusing them.)
Debbie is no different. Although she seems to have some degrees, why isn’t she using the degrees — like, in a job? Just her bio is a hoot! How many times does SHE claim she is “beautiful” and “sexy” and “a babe”? A sure sign she ISN’T. (And seeing her picture on Keith’s show yesterday confirms it.
She isn’t ugly, but is old. And needs to wash her hair.
MarkusQ @ 174
I couldn’t agree more. Now, try putting that into practice the next time an armed group invades your office space and everyone around you is screaming toward an exit.
Texas Betsy @ 183
There was a time, admittedly pre-Reagan, when Republicans knew better.
Helen, please keep us posted tomorrow. Thank you!
And Morris Sheppard, come on up and take a fresh breath.
Wigwam @ 188
There was a time, admittedly pre-Reagan, when Republicans knew better.
There was a time (before Reagan) when Hilary Clinton would have been a Republican. The extremist rightwing took control of the Republican Party under Reagan and it has been downhill ever since.
Just sent this to Keenan at NARAL.
This freak is 50 if she is a day. And goes by DEBBIE? LOL
I have seen her ilk all too often. The cutie-pies in high school who can’t take it when they hit about 25 and aren’t so “cute” anymore. (Most end up marrying their HS boyfriends, who then beat them.)
This one does seem to have some education, though. Why isn’t she using it? Like, in a job?
And just her own bio, using the words “blonde,” “sexy,” “beautiful,” did I mention BLONDE? Too funny.
I’ve long thought that television was dumbing down this country. On TV, the bad guys always shoot and miss. The good guys don’t. Gunplay on TV is also sterile and bloodless to a fault. A guy takes a bullet in his shoulder and the next day is out walking around again like it was nothing. I think that’s one of the explanations behind these wingnut wannabes.
In the armchair warrior’s TV-addled mind there’s very little risk to confronting a gun-toting maniac up close and personal. Hell, they do it all the time on TV.
Uncritical ditto-head drones who can’t think for themselves are EXACTLY what was predicted to happen if kids were allowed to watch too much television. The syndrome actually began to manifest itself in a big way when Reagan got elected. Wishful thinking, and fantastically unrealistic expectations. Normal on TV, and now we have a third of our population in a permanent stupor.
To be clear, I don’t advocate censorship of violence on TV. I advocate the elimination of TV as “entertainment” altogether. I know it will never happen, hence my fear that morons like this will be a constant danger forever.
Well, I just finished my third Bushmill’s, which pretty much guarantees cortical meltdown and I have my seminar tomorrow. Off to bed. Night all.
OFG,
On behalf of a grateful BlueAmerica nation, thank you for that letter.
I especially like the subtlety.
Peterr @ 195
:) LOL
Oilfieldguy @ 191
Sir!
Shell @ 192
Gawddayumn. Can you imagine having to be her friend or boyfriend?
“Do you think I’m pretty? You never tell me I’m pretty. You know, it’s important to me that people I care about affirm my attractiveness. If you cared about me, you would have told me how pretty I look today when you saw me. But you didn’t. You’re SO self-centered. All you ever think about is yourself!”
TRex,
You’re pretty. Especially in that new outfit from the other night.
DrDick @ 190
this goes to the heart of things. all i ask from my public officials, and elected representatives, is that they not be INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST.
that is, don’t piss on my head and tell me it’s raining; or the hundred-thousand spin jobs you spend so much time thinking up to justify otherwise unacceptable activities and policies.
it’s everywhere. take vtech and the inevitable argument over gun control. you want to say the second amendment is worth taking some chances for, all right, make your case. but don’t come up with the contorted notion that what’s really wrong is that the entire student body wasn’t armed. that’s not policy, that’s a punch line.
black is not white. it’s black. up is not down. it’s up. you live on this planet, not bizarro world. show a little courage of your so-called convictions, rightards.
Sorry to be OT but check this out:
http://tpmmuckraker.com/images/doj-employees.pdf
People on the inside are fighting back against Abu Gonzales and Co.
DrDick @ 182
…or come home in flag draped caskets.
This incident at VT was at a school in the US. I wouldn’t expect anyone to know how to act in this sort of circumstance (which is why the Wingnuts on the Right are sooo over the top with their “girlie-men” hate-speech). This just isn’t supposed to happen here, so none of us (NONE) would know how to react.
I think I understand your point (about trying to disarm a threat) and that the quicker you do it the better off you will be, but I cannot expect that out of 20 year old students. Trained militia/soldiers, ex-cops, and the like…yes, maybe…but not (for all intents and purposes) children.
TPhilip,
I been in and out lately so forgive me because I am not famililiar with your psuedonym. Like what you said. You are getting there. Keep kicking it around for the Gestalt moment.
I Love Jane Hamsher @ 201
Thanks!
Lou Costello @ 168
Don’t forget Ruby Ridge was on the same day.
I told my 16 yr old HSjr to be overly cautious until school lets out in late May, but especially this Thursday 4/19 and this Fri. 4/20, that was Columbine and a few other shootings and Hitler’s Birthday.
I told him mass killings usually bring out wannabes(Within a month or so) and 4/19 can bring out the militia kooks against the federal gov and that an HS is sooooooooo much a government institution. And that 4/20 also brings out murderous school kooks. I said it was rare, but I wanted him to be aware that if he heard any kind of bang bang he was to assume the worse and get the hell out of there.
And that was the best I could do for my son, in this environment.
Today and tommorrow I feel like an Iraqi, not knowing if my desire for my son to get an education will lead to his death. And I mostly know that nothing will occur. I’m 99.999% certain my son will come home alive. And yet, because of VaTech, and our history on 4/19&4/20 that he actually might be affected.
And our population is so much greater than theirs. And daily they lose at least 1 VaTech. And they still shop and learn and teach and work. I can’t help but wondering if we would carry on…. I know I’d make my son home school. And these Iraqis do so much more daily than I could do, or would do, that I find them admirable.
Peterr @ 199
Indigo jeans…looking like Barney!
Why does her name, Debbie Schlssel, seem so apt? Did she star as Leni in Europa, Europa? The patent reference to blood and soil in her name already causes me concern, but to then witness once again the neoconservative attempt to quell debate and dissent through the invocation of the specter of anti-Semitism is frankly inexcusable. And as much as I enjoy witnessing parodies of parodies, I cannot ignore my initial impression that she does in fact serve as the mouthpiece for a certain segment of the American public. How and why this is sanctioned is beyond my comprehension. But then again, the University of California Berkeley battered me to the point of political submission. And no, I am not an attorney based in Detroit, Michigan.
The more the think about what Debbie and these neocon jerks are saying the madder I get.
Just how irresponsible can they be?
I said the other day that I really want the parents of the dead students to talk to these people who are calling their kids cowards.
Should I post the audio link here? Where they call the kids weak for not attacking?
TRex @
147
Evenin’ Ladies, Gents, Therapod(s),
Excellent post as always TRex, I think Harry Reid has done well to hang around Nancy Pelosi, he seems to be growing some brass ones.
Part of a quote of Deborah HAIRY from above, “CANUCKS, GIRLIE-MEN, AND WIMPS–ALL …”
She used “Canucks” as an insult?
If I could just put aside my innate bliss for a moment to address MS. Schiessen, “You … make me glad I don’t have to wake up next to you.”
Darn it, those positive reinforcement CDs have erased all of my expletives.
I call on my friends at FDL to help me mop the floor wid zees tas de merde.
Today: 4 bombings in Baghdad kill at least 183.
Why are we there? Why are we still there?
OFG, (((((APPLAUSE)))))
More guns, less crime.
More cops, less gun crime.
More gun laws, won’t work.
Those are facts.
And keep in mind, fire pups, in jolly old “Gun Control Happy” England, not for nothing are emergency responders trained to treat gun shoot wounds. Oh, yeah, guns are a real problem in the UK … not that any Brits get to read about it.
And for those of you interested in New Orleans, here is the latest attempt at demographic manipulation and financial opportunism enacted by a Republican Jefferson Parish Councilwoman named Jennifer Sneed:
http://blog.nola.com/times-pic…..o_cle.html
Can we be more shameless? Must we inform everyone who bankrolls our reelection campaign?
Had to find this out on the Daily Show:
Texas Betsy @ 204
Great catch – thanks so much. That link heartened me and only wish it would be published on the front page of the WAPost, NYT, LATIMES, etc., et al.
Oilfieldguy @ 204
I mostly lurk. Came out of the woodwork for awhile during the Scooter trial, but went back to lurking :) I just keep thinking there has to be a lowest common denominator to all these wingnut a-holes lately. Malkin, DEBBIE, etc. and their followers. I wish there was a study on TV viewing habits of kids from 1970 (or later) with a followup on where their politics as adults lie vs. how much time they spent as kids in front of the boob tube. I’d be willing to wager mega-quatloos that there is a strong correlation there.
A pet peeve of mine. I watch MAYBE 3 hours of TV a week. 99.9% of it is drivel designed so they can sell YOU to their advertisers. What was envisioned as a medium that would serve the public interest has become something completely different. It’s ugly and vapid IMO and, personally, I find the patience I have with new people I meet is inversely proportional to how many hours are on their TV viewing schedule.
Peterr, Patrick 4/4 and Texas Betsy,
I also looked up the media contact phone number (as Siun remined me, we are all media) and asked for Keeman by name on the voice mail. I gave my real name and Identified myself as a blogger.
Jane is not playing here folks. I held forth in private audience with her and this is her passion.
She is my Dulcinea so I mount Rocinante and tilt in my knights of errantry. For her and all fair maidens.
(already posted by now?)
oh, great time to back down, Harry:
Oilfieldguy @ 218
love you OFG. Sooooooo Sweet
lolo @ 219
Whose phone number? I am confused.
Ya know, for conservatives to make such a big deal about tradition and society, they know so little about the history of either.
Someone should give her a brief tutorial on the phrase in loco parentis. Used to be that the college really DID act like Big Mommy and Daddy on campus. It had ended by the time I went to UCLA in the early 70s, but the memory persisted. Nightly curfews for all dorm residents, with bed checks to enforce them. Checking your meal ticket to make sure you were eating in the cafeteria, instead of going AWOL over the weekend. This came to an end around 1970, as the law changed to acknowledge that at 18 you are legally an adult (except for booze) and that your school had no fucking right to tell you what to do with your free time so long as you showed up in class and completed your assignments.
Does Bargain Basement Coulter really think these days are back? Does she really think students would stand for that shit for one minute?
newspaperbrat @ 215
I guess those positions are reserved for graduates of Regents University Law School. The mediocrity is asphyxiating.
?Non-binding?
I sometimes weesh my vote was “non-binding”, that I could sweetch eet to “the other guy” eef the person we elected turns out to be some sort of maldito invertebrada.
?Why do las Democratistas always appoint a wishy-washy Senate Majority Leader?
Pfui, eet ees enough to geeve joo hairballs, no?
so.
Kids, I need to eat and tend to my kittehs.
Back in a bit.
Going to try to get some sleep. May see you again in a few hours. May sleep straight through. :)
Every muscle on the left side of my body is in spasm, so we shall see how long sleep lasts.
?I mean, deed they no learn anything from the disastrous Daschle years?
We need a majority leader who weel fight, not some sheeftless, feckless, Arlen Specter wanna-be who makes concerned grunts at first but then always caves to pressure.
Pfui, I need Sangria, y gato-nip
so.
Will the hearing tomorrow last for five or six hours? I feel it should last two days.
punaise @ 219
If true, this could raise my blood pressure.
DrDick @ 182
Speaking as an ex-soldier, one of the hardest things to do is to train troops to react properly to an ambush. The first impulse is to hunker down. It takes a lot of training to get the proper response, which is to turn and move through the ambush. To expect untrained college student to do that is just risable.
Texas Betsy:
Dios mio, that sounds awful!
?Do joo have any gato-nip?
I have heard that eet can help…
?Or not gato-nip, pipple-nip, what-do-joo-call-eet?
Maria-juanita-nip.
so.
Tim @
27
what Tim said ………….
punaise @ 218
Aghhhhhhh – good, albeit depressing, catch punaise. Am off to Give ‘em Hell Harry web site to give ole Harry some late nite hell…and then to bed to watch Jon Stewart w/mr brat & our furry creatures great & small.
Nite nite all you wonderous fdlakers.
punaise @
219
Harry isn’t in the House, he’s a senator.
Apologies if I’ve posted this already, but it’s a busy workweek, full of long days. I actually flaked and left my keys in the car when I got home yesterday. I know I thought of posting this link this morning, but there were already over 400 comments.
Working to Halt Online Abuse
And I know I posted about Take Back the Blog, but that’s still an upcoming event, and I hope people will check it out and spread the word if this is an issue that concerns you.
Plus, hubby designed the logo, and I like to show him off. ;)
!El Gato Negro! @
231
‘ere.
!El Gato Negro! @ 231
pakololo
TPhilip,
I thought so, as far as a lake lurker. I find the lake most soothing when I ask really stoopid questions as opposed to making definitive statements.
No such thing as a stoopid question at the lake. The bandwith of comentors here is incredible. Also we like to hear what specific actions we are taking to improve current events.
Keep commenting please. Jane and Christy and Pach and TRex and Pheonix Woman and Eli, and hell, even me once in awhile use it as wind beneath our wings.
DrDick @ 182
What if 40 kids are all throwing books, desks, and backpacks at ONE person?
[epu’d, but put up here ’cause messin’ with disabled people don’t sit well with this doc. grrrr.]
Many people with substantial physical and mental disabilities participate actively in the work force.
Sadly, others have disabilities so profound as to render such participation impossible.
Oh Brave New Sparta!
For a simple piece of rhetoric, millions of people would suffer.
Hey dakine01 – here’s an idea.
How about asking the question of whether your personal experience of ambivalence regarding your own history of foregoing military service is indeed a logical basis for public policy?
How many of my patients have to suffer while you work out your personal demons?
Why should an entire NATION be expected to draft public policy from one single person’s emotional response to their own life history?
Shall we post all citizens’ medical records on the web in our Brave New Sparta?
Shall we only post the records of those granted disability waivers?
O Brave New Sparta!
Shall we have “internet commissions” to assess if the medical records really justify the exclusion?
Shall we haul our patients before webcams so your precious transparency can see if they can really walk – or are just faking it?
Shall we physicians dump our patients out of their wheelchairs so our brave new citizen masters can decide if they crawl convincingly?
And when the 101 fighting keyboard review squad decides to ignore the medical assessments, will you be there to help drag the disabled off to your splendid policy?
As a physician, this cavalier attempt to ignore biology in favor of advocacy of a SLOGAN
is exactly what I see the Rethugs do now at EPA, FDA, USDA, CDC, F&WS….
Meet the new boss.
Same as the old boss.
No thanks.
Come back with a policy, not an ideology.
Human beings are too precious to be sacrificed on another fucking slogan.
Those who advocate inhumane (and wholly unworkable) grand policies ignorant of human biology already have a party and a whole political economy.
The party is Rethughlican; the political economy is called corporate capitalism.
I thought the goal of progressives was to offer an alternative, not to dress up the Rethugs’ worst mistakes in our own slogans and flog the same people the Rethugs have been kicking around.
From the thread about this Washington Post report:
“The compromises may cost Democrats votes among antiwar liberals, but they hope to pick up some Republicans,” continues the Post.
Sounds very Liebermanesque to me…are there any quotes from real people or are these all unidentified. If so…I’d look at the source. The WPost (IMHO) isn’t what it once was.
Texas Betty,
Sorry about them side spasms and shit, bummer. To clear up the confusion of my earlier post, I was refering to the phone number of NARAL President, Debbie Keenan.
Our Lady of Perpetual Advocacy, Jane Hamsher, Patron Saint of Progressivism, does not cotton to the one-way cash flow of Keenan. Please see Jane’s post upstairs.
Atikar @ 240
The 30% occupying the fringe do not need to be placated. This is not a winning strategy.
Loo Hoo @
239
How exactly do you organize 40 kids amidst chaos ?
Chingante Reid:
?Why don’t joo wait and water down the bill after joo force el Chimperador to veto eet,
joo weepy-eyed old pushover.
Maldito Democratistas invertebradas.
Pfui.
!El Gato Negro! @ 245
I concur. No backing down !
pointecoupeedemocrat @
243
This sounds like a Dem ‘waffler’ trying to create a rift within the party … probably has the initials Joe LIEberman !!!
!El Gato Negro! @ 244
Il n’a pas de puissance.
Petrocelli @ 246
I believe it is a republican operative who knows some Presidential candidates will perform electoral calculas instead of representing their constituents in neuva york and illinois.
Ho-kay,
perhaps joo perritos del fuego are corrrect.
Perhaps I should keep my fur laying down until thees report, she ees confirmed somewhere besides the WashingComPost.
Yet, thees has happened een the past so many times, las Democratistas, they just lay down, and wait for someone to rub their bellies.
As joo can see, I am no a very patient keety, eh?
(tail switching)
TRex, if you are still here…
You are a renowned expert on Reich Wing bloggers. Could you explain what is meant by an INFO-BABE?
Seems like I read something about a sixteen star letter to the Senate majority leader begging for money or the troops would suffer. Shouldn’t this letter be attached with a paper clip to the emergency funding bill that awaits a threatened rebuke by the troop hater-in-chief? Do these people need help in theatre?
pointecoupeedemocrat at 243 says:
“The 30% occupying the fringe do not need to be placated. This is not a winning strategy.”
I agree it’s not a winning strategy…that’s why I question the report from the post that Dems are going to adjust the bill. It just doesn’t make any sense.
The first three graphs of the article are all unquoted/unattributed reporting that in my mind leaves little for me to objectively evaluate.
Saying something like “Congressional Democratic leaders are moving to make their proposed timetable for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq ‘advisory’ as they seek to reconcile two versions of war spending legislation into a single bill that they plan to pass next week, according to several House members.”
However, if you have a graph saying “Senator Reid stated, ‘we’re trying to reconcile the two versions by make the troop withdrawal advisory in nature’ ” then that’s a different tune.
I just don’t give much weight to the reporting.
neurophius @ 250
May I take a stab? She is the image that erases knowledge at the precise moment one seeks it. Think of epistemophilia, or the desire to know, to penetrate. She lures the gaze of knowledge only to castrate it, thereby frustrating it and forcing it to return for more of the same. This is the role of the INFO-BABE.
neurophius @ 251
I think that is Rightard for media whore.
(Yeah, I’m back. Sometimes evn three Bushmill’s does not bring sleep. God help my students tomorrow.)
fahrender @
234
entendu – the photo of Harry Reid accompanying the article threw me.
I don’t think Harry is giving up, and I KNOW Nancy is just getting started, so George will act tough, but it after all just an act. Check and mate.
neurophius @ 250
I can help here, pretty cinchy. A fembot employed to read the news to the masses. Used to be just weatherbabes (see Married, With Children). Univision mesmerized masses with beautiful women reading the news, complete with decolletage (sp?) Rush, as far as I know, coined the phrase and Faux News ran with it. Aka “The Bimbo Effect.”
neurophius,
een thees example, I theenk they mean:
“Woman who talk pretty, and hates the same stuff as me.”
so.
OFG – nice letter to NARAL
Allow me to cut through the decorum of political discourse and present Debbie Schlssel as she really is.
deGastignan @ 243
I’m a teacher. I just don’t see someone entering my classroom with guns blazing and laying down. I am not being critical of what has happened elsewhere, just suggesting that earthquake drills, fire drills, lockdown drills etc. just don’t fit in this situation. Maybe it is time to talk about something new.
Si, OFG, nice letter.
Oops, last call for sangria, she ees fast approaching, no?
Hasta luego, perros del fuego.
so.
what i don’t get is why doesn’t bush accept the funding bill, then declare in one of his “signing statements” that he’s going to ignore the withdrawal timeline it contains?
if he really believed in the consiitutionality of his claimed power, he wouldn’t hesitate to ignore any section that displeased him.
punaise @ 259
Thanks. I would bet on a response, but they are so automatic these days. Still, I have my Dulcinea to defend.
dmg @ 264
Because even he knows this is just bullshit. He just keeps hoping that no one will call him on it and he is not willing to take the chance on this one.
Sidney Blumenthal dissects Wolfie’s pillow-gate problem:
OFG,
I get thees strange idea that jour armor may no be as rusty as that of el hombre de la Mancha, and that joo might just pick jour targets weeth more acumen.
Ho-kay, on that note…
‘dios.
Ah, Debbie SLUSH-SELL is quite the irritated little wingnut, isn’t she?
I wonder how long she’s been off her medication…?
Oilfieldguy @ 265
the “G” in OFG is for Gallant.
Nope, those are assertions of beliefs.
“Hydrogen has one proton” is a fact.
“Air pollution comes from trees” is an assertion of a belief.
Assertions of belief regarding non-spiritual matters are merely opinions.
Those unable to discern the diffrence between their opinions and objectively verifiable facts should be kept far, far away from shaping public policy.
Their cognitive errors are killing us.
Buenas noches, el Gato Negro!
dmg @ 264
This is just his temper tantrum prior to his signing statement. We all know that he’s going to ignore the withdrawal mandate…after all, the soonest it will be in effect is Spring 2008 and by that time he’ll be relaxing on his ranch every other week. He won’t give a damn about the Iraq war, nor his public opinion. He’s just stalling until Jan. 09.
Debbie Schluessel should consider changing her name, lest we begin to understand her true political leanings.
Loo Hoo @ 262
See my response above. Very few people will react in an aggressive manner in a situation like that. For the rest, it takes intensive training. At that point you are talking military youth training. I don’t think too many parents are going to go along with it.
-bientt, le chat noir (el gato negro).
pointe coupee – c’est un endroit?
Loo Hoo @ 261
You know, I’ve heard about this for days now, starting with the Uber macho rightards.
The only people who charge a gun are nuts. I am nuts and you are not. I truly hope you are never in a room or bank with me when a gun is drawn because I will probably get everyone killed. You see, I am truly nuts.
Let’s arm everyone.
Okay, so the guy gets the drop on some people and others draw down and fire on him. Still others see this and fire on them and others see this and fire on them. Cops, after finishing their coffee and donuts show up to scratch their heads and sort out the carnage.
Yeah, more nuts like me and arm everybody.
Pour une raison que j’ignore, je n’arrives pas faire afficher les accents correctement sur ce site. (test)
Helpless Dancer @ 275
Please God, I hope not. The Hitler Youth or Red Guards, we do not need. Unlike HD, I am not a veteran, but I have many friends who are (mostly Viet Nam era). Their stories are remarkably consistent. Even with the best training the military can provide, many people simply cannot act the way you suggest.
Atikar @ 202
DrDick @ 182
MarkusQ @ 174
I may be a lone voice here, but there is one point I would take exception to: in such a situation, your odds may be significantly better attacking (especially en mass, and from all directions) than hiding and waiting for him to get around to shooting you.
If nothing else, your chance of getting prompt medical attention goes way up as soon as the loony has been incapacitated.
If you find yourself in such a situation (or, say, on a hijacked plane) where a nutjob or nutjobs have taken control, your rational best strategy may be to make getting them gone your top priority–which, incidentally, is why I’m such a strong advocate for impeachment. Even if there is significant personal risk or cost involved, you may still be better off than if you played it “safe” and quietly waited your turn to be shot.
– MarkusQ
Reality is rather different from Rambo. Most soldiers in combat do not react the way you suggest, but rather first duck for cover and then think about firing back. Many never do fire back. Those who act the way you suggest get medals for exceptional bravery.
…or come home in flag draped caskets.
This incident at VT was at a school in the US. I wouldn’t expect anyone to know how to act in this sort of circumstance (which is why the Wingnuts on the Right are sooo over the top with their “girlie-men” hate-speech). This just isn’t supposed to happen here, so none of us (NONE) would know how to react.
I think I understand your point (about trying to disarm a threat) and that the quicker you do it the better off you will be, but I cannot expect that out of 20 year old students. Trained militia/soldiers, ex-cops, and the like…yes, maybe…but not (for all intents and purposes) children.
When I was a kid, there was an incident in a court room in which the labor boss Jimmy Hoffa was being questioned. Someone pulled a gun and before anyone could react, Hoffa disarmed the gunman. That evening, Hoffa was interviewed on television and was asked about the incident and his performance. He responded, “Always run away from a knife and toward a gun.” End of story.
deGastignan – Word Press doesn’t accommodate accents. quel dommage.
Oui, Pointe Coupe est le nom de mon endroit en Louisiane.
punaise @ 282
It’s weird because if you use the html code for those caracters, it shows fine when you hit preview. But it doesn’t work once submitted.
Aaaack! A French invasion! Quick, arm yourselves with harsh language and bad manners.
Wigwam @ 281
That only works if you are within arms reach of the gun. A couple of steps away and you’re just dead.
Deux divertissements au comt de Pointe Coupe qui j’adore:
http://www.joes-dreyfusstorerestaurant.com/
http://satterfields.com/main/intro.php
punaise @ 270
The P in Punaise is for GOOFUS.
we’ll go easy on you, OFG.
(merci pour les renseignements sur Pointe Coupee, PCD)
Helpless Dancer @ 286
Also remember that Hoffa was one tough SOB. This is not how normal people react.
Jacqrat @ 288
well, there is that….
Wigwam:
That is a good story.
Do you write ‘em yourself or plagarize them from others?
Cite your reference…for all I know you could’ve made that up
DrDick @ 290
And he still ended up in an umarked grave somewhere.
Oilfieldguy @ 265
Loved your letter, Don OFG
punaise @ 291
check it
punaise @ 289
C’est de rien, Punaise; c’est la lagniappe.
Helpless Dancer @ 285
Incorrect. I was sixty yards away from my ex husband-in-law firing at me. He got off two shots and missed. I chewed his nose off.
Did I mention I was nuts?
Helpless Dancer @ 293
There were actually two occasions where someone opened fire in a public place around me (No one was injured either time). The first time I wound up hugging the sidewalk. The second time I instantly cleared a a bar from seated in a barstool. There was no thought or planning, this was purely instinctual and everyone around me reacted the same way.
DrDick @ 298
The woman who resides next door, an octogenarian, randomly unloads her gun. She also hunts wild pheasant, and she is always asking me to enjoy the latest kill at her place. I love her. And yes, she voted for Kerry. My parish was one of the few Kerry won in Louisiana.
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 296
I had to google that.
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 299
DrDick @ 298
Helpless Dancer @ 293
DrDick @ 290
Also remember that Hoffa was one tough SOB. This is not how normal people react.
And he still ended up in an umarked grave somewhere.
There were actually two occasions where someone opened fire in a public place around me (No one was injured either time). The first time I wound up hugging the sidewalk. The second time I instantly cleared a a bar from seated in a barstool. There was no thought or planning, this was purely instinctual and everyone around me reacted the same way.
Sounds hot.
No.
DrDick @ 301
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 299
DrDick @ 298
Helpless Dancer @ 293
DrDick @ 290
Also remember that Hoffa was one tough SOB. This is not how normal people react.
And he still ended up in an umarked grave somewhere.
There were actually two occasions where someone opened fire in a public place around me (No one was injured either time). The first time I wound up hugging the sidewalk. The second time I instantly cleared a a bar from seated in a barstool. There was no thought or planning, this was purely instinctual and everyone around me reacted the same way.
Sounds hot.
No.
SARCASM
deGastignan @ 300
La lagniappe est trs importante en Louisiane.
Hmm, I’m out of my leagues here. I’ve never heard a gun being fired outside a firing range …
TRex likes it when we bust 300.
deGastignan @ 304
Unless you are out hunting, you are lucky.
Oilfieldguy @ 297
I’m having difficulties parsing ex husband-in-law. Could you clarify?
deGastignan @ 303
I insert all my bullets manually.
DrDick @ 306
The old woman next door loves her gun. I was not exposed to one until I moved into this house. In fact, she brought it with her when she introduced herself. I love her, but she is a bit intense.
Oilfieldguy @ 308
Now THAT sounds hot.
An ex husband-in-law is one that marries your ex-wife.
Lordy, I’m not talking about a Hitler youth type thing, I’m talking about a flight 93 response. Maybe (and not just in schools) we need to somehow begin thinking of the collective response to a nutcase with a gun. I’m sure most people would naturally be frozen with fear in an assault type situation. I may well be one. I’m just suggesting that maybe we begin discussing what we should do. I’m not a right-winger, trust me.
Oilfieldguy @ 311
They have obviously developed a new kinship terminology in the oilfield since I left Oklahoma.
Oilfieldguy @ 277
Right on! A building full of armed students is not a “well regulated malitia.” Neither is the National Guard in conflict situations. I’ve heard numerous stories of the National Guard opening up on a building and continuing to fire until all of their ammunition was exhausted. Fire control is very important in combat, and an untrained mob is unlikely to have any. Lack of fire control results in “deaths by friendly fire,” which is always a tragedy.
Loo Hoo @ 312
Might I suggest getting the hell out of the way as quickly as possible? If you are not trained or as crazy as oilfieldguy) that is always your best option.
DrDick @ 312
So, how’s your wife and my kids?
Inlaws and outlaws.
Oilfieldguy @ 311
Okay, that makes sense. Was alcohol involved?
Late, not scrolling thru all of it. Pissed. Still.
1) Students bailed on a 76 year old professor, and left him to die.
2) If yer in a group, and the entire group is gonna die, you’d BEST group swarm the threat, so SOME can live. Phreakin basic survival, in the streets, in army, in COMMON SENSE!!!!!!!!!
3) This is all elemantary to me, and I’m somewhat a pacifist, but I’m willing to kill and DIE, if threatened with my life, or someone else is threatened.
Somethng’s wrong, in it all.
We have raised children for too many generations to walk away, but, forgot to tell them to STAND FOR YOUR BELIEFS! And for others.
And, the university put them ALL at risk, when it didn’t lock down, and CLOSE CLASSES, at 7:15am.
Phreakin harumph.
Stand and fight, or die.
And they did.
They were LIED to, when they were told, THEY WERE SAFE ON CAMPUS!
Proof is in what’s been put.
Bless them all, and family and friends.
Fuck this victim shit. And the media’s glorification of it, too, for that matter.
Harumph.
Asshat shooter had a 3 year history of CLUSTERFUCK behavior. VT shoulda booted his ass LONG AGO!!!!
Major lawsuits should flow, this place should be shut down, and plowed over for food for the hungry.
Oilfieldguy @
297
at least he knows you didn’t chew his nuts off. :~)
(ducking)
DrDick @ 315
Getting out of the way is not an option when you’re inside the four walls of a classroom. Not much cover, sir.
Loo Hoo @ 320
Hide under the desk and pretend you are already dead. That is what I would do.
Oilfieldguy @ 316
In-laws and outlaws is more in keeping with what I remember, but it has been 20 years. (By the way your wife said it was the best she ever had, but the kids still aren’t talking to me).
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 303
Of all the francophone/francophile places to visit, Louisiana’s probably the only one left for me to see.
I’ve been in contact with many kinds of French Creole without ever encountering such a word. I was really taken aback trying to figure out it’s meaning. And I just found out it was taken from Spanish. I would of split hair on that word for hours without google. ;)
It’s actually nice to learn that word because there’s no good equivalent in french for lagniappe.
punaise @ 318
I wanted a meal, not a snack.
deGastignan @ 300
It is a word with a very interesting etymology, no?
Helpless Dancer @ 285
If someone points a gun at you with deadly intent, the odds are that you are going to die. IMHO, Hoffa was commenting on what action might best improve your odds of survival. Fortunately, I have no empiracle data on the correctness of his hypothesis.
deGastignan @ 300
quechua and spanish. we cajuns tend to take a lot of words, whether they are german, english, spanish or whatever, and we through it in a french gumbo. all the germans in my parish named Weber became Oubre after we were done with them.
deGastignan @ 323
I had to look it up, too. un petit quelque-chose en plus, or something like that.
Loo Hoo @ 312
I wasn’t assuming that you were. I was just relaying what generations of non-commissioned officers have learned. The more fruitful route would be to weed out the crazies. Before they get guns.
Helpless Dancer @ 329
Amen to that.
deGastignan @ 323
Come visit. Ms. B. next door speaks French, as do I. And we have a great time. Come in June for the crawfish boils. You will meet the whole parish and then some in one evening.
Helpless Dancer @ 329
So true.
Loo Hoo @ 312
The problem is there’s no good emergency scenario (that I can think of) that involves a thinking agent (the shooter). Ultimately, any predictable behavior from the victims can only help the shooter’s tally. Which is exactly what a specific contingency plan would help achieve.
IMO, we’re better off improving gun control/registration, response time and on site security than civilian response to a shooter.
deGastignan @ 333
there is no such thing as a “civilian response” to a shooter, for at that point, you and everyone else are just game.
Helpless Dancer @ 329
And how shall we weed out the crazies?
Scythes?
Hoes?
Forty percent of Americans will meet criteria for a major psychiatric diagnosis at some time in their lives.
Elimination of forty percent of the population is an odd way to approach public safety.
Perhaps a more attainable policy goal would address the incredibly small number of seriously mentally ill people who engage in premeditated violence against multiple strangers in single killing sprees.
An unexpected shooting rampage leaves no time for thought. Fight or flight are the only choices, and truly they are not choices since everyone goes to autopilot immediately.
When I was in the third grade I was walking home from school with my girlfriend when we were attacked by a loose dog. I got away but she didn’t fare so well and I was deeply ashamed. Since then, every flight or fight situation that has presented itself has been a learning curve for me. Now, without exception, I advance toward danger. Certainly it will be my downfall but if I prevent stitches in a third grade girl I will perish a happy man.
My point is this takes practice under fire. The natural thing is to haul ass or hide or move or something. My father was shot in the back with a 9mm gun. No way will I ever turn my back on a gun. Not gonna happen.
TRex:
I like your story because it highlights an important attribute of Right Wing writers, namely their lack of intelligence. They lack it because either they are simply stupid or because they deny reality. In Debbie Schlussel’s case, there seems to be a bit of both present. What amuses me is her claim that she is the proof that blondes are not stupid. It takes somebody really stupid to say such a thing.
pointecoupeedemocrat @ 331
If graduate school wasn’t killing my social life, I’d be tempted to visit over the summer. Instead, conference season is taking me into western Canada this summer. But if I can spot a relevant conference in Louisiana sometimes, I’ll make sure to come trade some French Canadian slang for some Creole.
My two cents worth…
Cho bought his weapons legally. He was a law abiding citizen. Advocating more guns for students (and everyone else) means advocating guns in the hands of people just like him. Tired argument? Maybe. Cho bought his weapons legally.
Anyone working the front lines of the medical profession – emergency Docs and staff, nurses, ambulance drivers, mental health workers, police and firemen, have seen Cho’s video countless times. It’s the rant of a psychotic. It wasn’t because he was Korean, going to college, political, had a grudge against rich and popular bullies or anything else that might make sense. He was psychotic. Delusional. Chapman. I wish it meant more than that, but it doesn’t.
THIS Is What I’m Tawkin About
deGastignan @ 338
Tu est qubcois? Je suis aussi une tudiante en troisime cycle.
slow but meaningful health improvement for Steve Gilliard
pointecoupeedemocrat @
341
Oui, je suis bel et bien qubcois.
Hehe, ain’t grad school great for insomnia ?
Atikar @
292
It’s a childhood memory of a newscast from about four decades ago. I googled and came up with this among a long list of famous quotes: “Run from a knife and rush a gun.”-Jimmy Hoffa. That pretty well shows I didn’t make it up. Beyond that you’re on your own.
kirk murphy @ 335
You are painting with a wide brush and I suggest that you cool down. When I say the crazies, I mean the violent ones. Your forty percent includes members of my immediate family. I have dealt with the “crazies” for more than thirty years. Talk to me when your formative years were spent in locked down pysch facilities visiting members of your family.
gawd I just love these rightards.
to react in the ‘heroic’ manner that they are certain we all should, you need to be trained to do that.
most of us no longer in the military know what/ how to react, but then that’s sometimes called PTSD!
these neo-theocons are complete white feathered cowards!
we can only chalk this horror up for what it is, a kali-esque sacrifice to the demons of the NRA.
Troglaman @ 339
ding! ding! ding!
deGastignan @ 333
Will go ya one more. Once someone is raised on the radar as a stalker, they need to be pulled out of their environment and given mandatory inpatient treatment. For as long as it takes.
He was Baker Acted once (2005). Why was there not a court-appointed liaison to coordinate among all the entities? That’s how it’s supposed to work. It doesn’t matter if the girls wanted to press charges, the State should have taken over, (as they do in other battery type cases) and they didn’t. Stalking is a solid predictor of future trouble.
They’re also saying they can’t get to his school records because of FERPA, when one of the exceptions to FERPA is just such a situation. It’s blowin’ smoke to cover up where the ball was dropped.
They’re too busy working the Iraq/Muslim/illegals agenda to pay attention to anything else. Today’s post about Dumb-Assery shows just how far into Apophenia-land they need to go to make the story fit the agenda. But they can’t. There is a cultural angle to it, but it’s not the one they’re selling.
And the flip side of the coin is that the general public doesn’t know MH laws well enough to ask the right questions.
The other thing that’s sad is that these profilers are being so flippant about this guy’s list of grievances. One said outright that they were probably “imagined.” The kid came here when he was 8, what record do we have of what he experienced? None. But his writings illustrate metaphor after metaphor of serious boundary violations. The literalists still don’t get it.
Sad all the way around.
/peace out
Well, late to the party again, but let me go on record: TRex, you’ve smacked it out of the park tonight!
pointecoupeedemocrat @
334
I can’t believe that guns are legal for anything but hunting (which I have difficulty understanding.) Perhaps someday we can get to a place where people (dreaming here) check out their guns and ammo like they would a library book.
Until we can control crazies, which is a difficult quest at best, any plan is better than being slaughtered like lambs. Should my students be trained to line up on a wall or should they be trained to throw things?
[Modnote: y’all are giving the Margin Faerie a migraine.]
And I’m back.
Pain not so bad. Just hard time sleeping.
helpless dancer, you chose to say “weed out the crazies”.
I did not.
When you take the care to express yourself precisely, you’ll find you are met with smaller brushstrokes.
I very much regret the suffering you describe in your family. I wish all families – including my own – did not suffer with loved ones who have severe psychiatric symptoms.
My psychiatry residency began twenty years ago this June. I neither seek nor desire anyone’s permission to talk on this issue. And I owe you no apology for doing so.
Nor do I owe you an apology for observing that your eliminationist rhetoric “weed out the crazies” is an objectionable way to discuss individuals with severe disabilities.
Should you find this response to the words you chose unwelcome, cooling down long enough to express yourself more carefully may be to your benefit.
And what you think of that does not concern me this evening.
Good night to eliminationist rhetoric about the mentally ill.
Y por qu no se puede usar los acentos en Wordpress?
Alicia @ 349
I chopped a lot of wood on the way to the plate, tonight, baby. Lotta wood.
TRex @ 353
Hi TRex. Hi Alicia.
I want to raise a general question.
I have unsupported impression that “going postal” is a somewhat American thing. And it’s mostly white guys that do it. To what extent does this sort of thing happen in other societies? Mind you, we’re not talking about political violence and/or group violence. I won’t even include the east coast sniper case of a few years ago, because that was two guys acting over an extended period of time. And they didn’t kill themselves.
So is this an American thing, and if so what’s different here? I’m told that in Israel, Switzerland, and Finland most households have weapons. So it’s not clear that the key is availability of guns, though obviously that plays a role.
Some European friends say that they are appalled by the violence in our movies and TV. Perhaps violence in art is a component.
Some say that capital punishment sends a message that killing solves problems. But the other countries in the top ten in terms of capital punishment don’t have a particularly high incidence of murder, while some Latin American countries that have no death penalty, have a very high murder rate.
I’m told that the murder rate in Vancouver is way lower than that right across the border in Seattle. Is there any difference other than gun control?
“…the most particularly egregious offender.”
You rang?
kirk murphy @ 352
Eliminationist? Just how in the hell do you figure that? Perhaps I don’t have quite your precise ways of speech, but you jump to conclusions. Perhaps I should have said sorted, but you just assumed the worst possible meaning. I was not the one who assumed the negative.
Wigwam @ 355
national culture?
living in a country that keeps entering new wars?
Crazy messed up Christians: Andrew Longman (who writes for World Net Daily)
What do you say to a “Christian” who gives Christians bizarre biblical support for having and using guns. This kind of stuff is REALLY dangerous. I read about 15 comments saying how well written it was and useful! The ability to twist Jesus’ words in support of guns is just amazing to me. It was written by Andrew Longman
This was my response:
I often wonder why some Christians have such a twisted view of what Christ meant and said, but when I read essays like this I understand how they can be misled.
Your article really saddened me. It is especially sad that people came here, read it and, because they have no idea just how far off base you are, believe it.
You make blatantly unsupportable sweeping statements like this:
Really? Wow, that certainly covers a lot of ground. So do we go back to Leviticus and follow the rules on food, and “unclean” women if Jesus didn’t mention it? Had any bacon lately?
Then you make unsupported comments like this:
Which part of the synoptic gospels does THIS come from? And I want to remind your readers that I’m NOT talking about some verse inserted by the early church. Too often I see people quoting words put into Jesus’ mouth that were not actually from the sayings of the Lord. You should know what I’m talking about, even if people who haven’t studied the development and creation of the gospels don’t know about the ’sayings of our Lord” collection.
And then this:
Where in the New Testament? I’m not talking about the vengeful God of the OT. Give me the passage where JESUS commends deadly force. In which part of the synoptic gospels do you see this?
But the most bizarre twist is this passage:
I don’t really know where to begin to describe the problems with this. I’m not going to go into that but if you or some of your readers would like more info on this topic I’ll recommend this post by Dan Moriarty:
http://danmoriarty.blogspot.co…..-take.html
Your “teachings” here are really off base, and you do a disservice to intelligent Christians when you write this kind of misguided essay.
If you want to hear him talk about the “feminine” response and how they suggest we need to arm more people. Really listen to this.
Piss on this, I’m going to bed.
Wigwam >
One divorced their colonial masters & the other chose armed rebellion.
Mindset & social mythology passed generation to generation.
“Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.” – Gandalf the Grey
Pups, Therapods, BlueAmerica Patriots… Lend me your vote!
Actually lend it to Charlie! Democracy For America is having a grassroots Progressive All-Stars vote. Charlie is there. Whoever wins the vote gets additional early support from DFA. Go cast your vote and spread the rootz out deeper down the toobz. Go show them the power of a BlueAmerica!
Nate, darlin’, don’t you ever sleep?
daCascadian @ 362
bravo!
pointecoupeedemocrat,
Are you anywhere near Hammond? I have a friend there, and she makes me so long to see her flowers and trees in bloom. It sounds so beautiful.
deGastignan @ 323
Lagniappe is the title of the yearbook at Louisiana Tech University ….
Don’t know if this has been referenced yet but “ouch”… http://www.salon.com/opinion/b…..wolfowitz/
If these all too frequent shooting sprees aren’t acts of terrorism, I don’t know what is.
And if the best the righties can do is to blame the victims, college culture, sissified men, imaginary jihadists, Nancy Pelosi, or the “extreme left”, then they only prove they have no idea how to “win”, let alone fight, the war on terror.
They may as well be saying channeling Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell and claiming this was all God’s punishment for the gays and abortion. “Darn. If only the Supreme Court made their latest decision on Friday. None of this would have happened.”
i don’t have an opinion on this shooting except to say that it really freaks out people when the seemingly random senseless act happens. i don’t think any of us really understand it.
i’m amazed at the reactions of people who think they know what should happen now, who blame this or that and who know what they would have done had they been there. i don’t believe any of them; i do know that.
i do feel very sad for the victims and their families and friends, and for the family of the killer. i feel the most intense kind of disgust for the people at NBC who decided to show the video and photos the killer sent them. for this i hope they suffer in the most excruciating way …..
egregious @
364
Hi egregious… Not tonight darlin’! :D John Doolittle inspired me to do my first blog post in months. A little walk down memory lane (or more like hall of shame). Fun stuff! Hope you’re still around!
Congressman John Doolittle – All-Star in the Hall of Shame
Given the events of this week, maybe the saying
“It’s always darkest before the dawn” comes into play.
“Darkest” is unfortunately self-explanatory; take your pick of the “dawn”,
The Doolittle raid,
The Reid-Pelosi meeting w/Dubya,
Some guy named Gonzalez about to further embarrass himself before some guys named Leahy, Schumer and others.
Happy Fitzmas!
Hey Nate—
Still here. Here being London.
A new post, how exciting! Going over to read it now.
egregious @ 373
London… KEWL!
Are you on stopover or there for a while? Holiday or work?
Nate—I got an urgent memo, something about Christy babysitting the Queen’s corgis, so I had to come here and check into the matter.
It was convenient, in that my 30th trip to Russia had just ended and I’m en route back to the States.
I took some much needed personal time and had a full spa day, yes it’s a rough life. Now I’m still so relaxed I can’t be bothered to pack.
What a day coming up. [to the tune of Carole King “Anticipation”] Investigations…. Will see what I can live blog from the airport lounge. The full range of possibilities.
Good morning, pups. This morning both Bobo and Bob Herbert have columns on the tragedy at Virginia Tech:
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
Coffee and tea are ready, and cinnamon buns. Help yourselves, and have a good day.
egregious @ 375
SWEET! Nothing like ‘unwinding’ sometimes. I prefer my therapeutic time off to be spent on sunny beaches but London would do in a pinch!
I meant to add this:
Not only did the World Bank president find his companion Shaha Ali Riza a cushy job in the State Department, but she received a security clearance — unprecedented for a foreign national.
By Sidney Blumenthal
http://www.salon.com/opinion/b…..wolfowitz/
egregious… If you’re still around, thank you. You’re like a patch of sunlight every time it gets stormy.
Mornin’ all!
Nate @ 379
Wo, thanks :)
Prob will be on the train when the live blog thread starts to here are my ideas, with acknowledgement to Prairie Sunshine for the trolls/kitty set:
Two or three quotes
Ok if just notes
Don’t quote a linky
The margins get hinky.
and
Please stay on-topic
Keep your links bitty
Don’t feed the trolls
Do feed the kitty
egregious @
375
eg, great to have a song in your heart,
that’s a good one!
Love the smell of accountability in the morning. ((((pups))))
mornin all. happy Patriot’s Day. and I hope i’m the first to wish Valerie Wilson a very happy birthday. my son got home safe yesterday (got a big teary hug from me). I sure wish NBC would STOP showing all that nonsense from Cho.
TiredFed we are SO happy your son made it back safely.
egregious @ 382
:D Pearls my lady… Pure Pearls!
Ok, now I’m gonna try and get a few hours of sleep before work tomorrow… errr today. Whatever. :)
and heartfelt thanks to Raven who pointed me to the video showing Nikki Giovanni. You were so right. She was the high point. My son said he was most impressed, after Nikki, with Gov. Kaine.
eg! did u get the boots?????
A joy