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		<title>By: Badwater</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/18/holy-muck/#comment-633068</link>
		<dc:creator>Badwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The main similarity between Vietnam and Iraq: no one from the Bush family is willing to serve.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main similarity between Vietnam and Iraq: no one from the Bush family is willing to serve.</p>
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		<title>By: Wally</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/18/holy-muck/#comment-632984</link>
		<dc:creator>Wally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I would like to know how the managers at DOJ are able to determine who is on the interview list in the first place. I know that sounds odd but if you actually work for the Federal government you know the job announcement process and selection of the qualified panel (the people who get interviewed) is not normally controlled by the managers seeking to fill a spot. The evaluation of applicants is suppose to be impartial and is performed buy the agency’s personnel office.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to know how the managers at DOJ are able to determine who is on the interview list in the first place. I know that sounds odd but if you actually work for the Federal government you know the job announcement process and selection of the qualified panel (the people who get interviewed) is not normally controlled by the managers seeking to fill a spot. The evaluation of applicants is suppose to be impartial and is performed buy the agency’s personnel office.</p>
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		<title>By: The Gun Toting Liberal™</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/18/holy-muck/#comment-632927</link>
		<dc:creator>The Gun Toting Liberal™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Another Republican Bites The Dust: Republican Congressman John Doolittle (CA) “Does Little” To Avoid “Bubba”&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, he didn’t exactly do “LITTLE”; he went as far as to throw his wife “under the bus” before being placed into the uncomfortable position of accepting the fact he will now, apparently, fall directly in line to become …&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Another Republican Bites The Dust: Republican Congressman John Doolittle (CA) “Does Little” To Avoid “Bubba”</strong></p>
<p>Well, he didn’t exactly do “LITTLE”; he went as far as to throw his wife “under the bus” before being placed into the uncomfortable position of accepting the fact he will now, apparently, fall directly in line to become …</p>
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		<title>By: tbsa</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/18/holy-muck/#comment-632835</link>
		<dc:creator>tbsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 05:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-632657&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;ccmask @ 327 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-632568&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;2strange @ 315 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;ccmask - my son is 19 too, been working on a  asthma deferment for him for years-  it’s time to start thinking that way again - those that voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004 should  send their kids, not mine.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s right!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;EXACTLY!  Where the fuck are Jenna and not Jenna?  Party on girls while your father continues to send young men and women to their death.  I don’t know how these rotten bastards sleep at night.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-632657"><em>ccmask @ 327 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-632568"><em>2strange @ 315 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>ccmask &#8211; my son is 19 too, been working on a  asthma deferment for him for years-  it’s time to start thinking that way again &#8211; those that voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004 should  send their kids, not mine.</p>
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<p>That’s right!</p>
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<p>EXACTLY!  Where the fuck are Jenna and not Jenna?  Party on girls while your father continues to send young men and women to their death.  I don’t know how these rotten bastards sleep at night.</p>
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		<title>By: kirk murphy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/18/holy-muck/#comment-632802</link>
		<dc:creator>kirk murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 05:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;dakine01 @ 70&lt;br /&gt;
That’s why we include a community service aspect rather than just military.  &lt;b&gt;It means NO DAMNED EXCUSES.  EVERYBODY serves.&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-632542&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;dakine01 @ 301&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Bob Schact @ 292 asks:&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Does this apply to people with cerebral palsy and muscular dystrophy?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It would be trouble but I would have to say yes.  IANAD (unlike the SCROTUS), but would imagine accomodations can be made for sedentary work that could accomodate most debilitating illnesses.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Many people with substantial physical and mental disabilities participate actively in the work force.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sadly, others have disabilities so profound as to render such participation impossible.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh Brave New Sparta!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For a simple piece of rhetoric, millions of people would suffer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;dakine01 says&lt;br /&gt;
April 18th, 2007 at 8:36 pm&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;News Grinder @ 313 asks:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    My question, which was sincere, still stands. I’m wanting to understand how this thing would work.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Have no idea on all the details, as I say. But we need something approaching a Universal Service that does not allow deferments for college, marriage, children, NG and all the other excuses that have been used by the people like Commander Codpiece, Danny-boy Quayle, Darth Cheney, clinton, and even myself.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I did not want to serve in Viet Nam and manipulated the system to avoid it although I eventually enlisted in the Air Force. I admit I played the system.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hey dakine01 - here’s an idea.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How about asking the question of whether your personal experience of ambivalence regarding your own history of foregoing military service is indeed a logical basis of public policy?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How many of my patients have to suffer while you work out your personal demons?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why should any rational public policy spring from one person’s emotional response to their own life history?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-632545&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Helen @ 304&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-632534&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;News Grinder @ 296 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Under the “no damned excuses” plan, who decides who gets to do community service and who has to go to war?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You know, every single rule has exceptions.  But that does not mean you throw out the rule. Unlike what happened in Vietnam - &lt;em&gt;transparency&lt;/em&gt; would take care of this.  The power of the internet, &lt;em&gt;us&lt;/em&gt;, is a never before seen phenomenon.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shall we post all citizens’ medical records on the web in our Brave New Sparta?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shall we only post those records of those granted disability waivers?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;O Brave New Sparta!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shall we have “internet commissions” to assess if the medical records really justify the exclusion?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shall we haul our patients before webcams so your precious transparency can see if they can really walk - or are just faking it?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shall we physicians dump our patients out of their wheelchairs so our brave new citizen masters can decide if they crawl convincingly?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And when the 101 fighting keyboard review squad decides to ignore the medical assessments, will you be there to help drag the disabled off to your splendid policy?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;As a physician, this cavalier attempt to ignore biology in favor of advocacy of a SLOGAN &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;is exactly what I see the Rethugs do now at EPA, FDA, USDA, CDC, F&amp;WS….&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Meet the new boss.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Same as the old boss.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No thanks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Come back with a policy, not an ideology.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Human beings are too precious to be sacrificed on another fucking slogan.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Those who advocate inhumane (and wholly unworkable) grand policies ignorant of human biology already have a party and a whole political economy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The party is Rethughlican; the political economy is called corporate capitalism.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I thought the goal of progressives was to offer an alternative, not to dress up the Rethugs’ worst mistakes in our own slogans and flog the same people the Rethugs have been kicking around.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>dakine01 @ 70<br />
That’s why we include a community service aspect rather than just military.  <b>It means NO DAMNED EXCUSES.  EVERYBODY serves.</b>
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<p><a href="#comment-632542"><em>dakine01 @ 301</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><i>Bob Schact @ 292 asks:</i>
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<blockquote><p>Does this apply to people with cerebral palsy and muscular dystrophy?</p></blockquote>
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<p>It would be trouble but I would have to say yes.  IANAD (unlike the SCROTUS), but would imagine accomodations can be made for sedentary work that could accomodate most debilitating illnesses.</p>
<p>Many people with substantial physical and mental disabilities participate actively in the work force.</p>
<p>Sadly, others have disabilities so profound as to render such participation impossible.</p>
<p>Oh Brave New Sparta!</p>
<p>For a simple piece of rhetoric, millions of people would suffer.</p>
<blockquote><p>dakine01 says<br />
April 18th, 2007 at 8:36 pm</p>
<blockquote><p>News Grinder @ 313 asks:</p>
<p>    My question, which was sincere, still stands. I’m wanting to understand how this thing would work.
</p>
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<p>Have no idea on all the details, as I say. But we need something approaching a Universal Service that does not allow deferments for college, marriage, children, NG and all the other excuses that have been used by the people like Commander Codpiece, Danny-boy Quayle, Darth Cheney, clinton, and even myself.</p>
<p>I did not want to serve in Viet Nam and manipulated the system to avoid it although I eventually enlisted in the Air Force. I admit I played the system.
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<p>Hey dakine01 &#8211; here’s an idea.</p>
<p>How about asking the question of whether your personal experience of ambivalence regarding your own history of foregoing military service is indeed a logical basis of public policy?</p>
<p>How many of my patients have to suffer while you work out your personal demons?</p>
<p>Why should any rational public policy spring from one person’s emotional response to their own life history?</p>
<p> <a href="#comment-632545"><em>Helen @ 304</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-632534"><em>News Grinder @ 296 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Under the “no damned excuses” plan, who decides who gets to do community service and who has to go to war?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>You know, every single rule has exceptions.  But that does not mean you throw out the rule. Unlike what happened in Vietnam &#8211; <em>transparency</em> would take care of this.  The power of the internet, <em>us</em>, is a never before seen phenomenon.</p>
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<p>Shall we post all citizens’ medical records on the web in our Brave New Sparta?</p>
<p>Shall we only post those records of those granted disability waivers?</p>
<p>O Brave New Sparta!</p>
<p>Shall we have “internet commissions” to assess if the medical records really justify the exclusion?</p>
<p>Shall we haul our patients before webcams so your precious transparency can see if they can really walk &#8211; or are just faking it?</p>
<p>Shall we physicians dump our patients out of their wheelchairs so our brave new citizen masters can decide if they crawl convincingly?</p>
<p>And when the 101 fighting keyboard review squad decides to ignore the medical assessments, will you be there to help drag the disabled off to your splendid policy?</p>
<p><b>As a physician, this cavalier attempt to ignore biology in favor of advocacy of a SLOGAN </b></p>
<p>is exactly what I see the Rethugs do now at EPA, FDA, USDA, CDC, F&amp;WS….
</p>
<p>Meet the new boss.</p>
<p>Same as the old boss.</p>
<p>No thanks.</p>
<p>Come back with a policy, not an ideology.</p>
<p>Human beings are too precious to be sacrificed on another fucking slogan.</p>
<p>Those who advocate inhumane (and wholly unworkable) grand policies ignorant of human biology already have a party and a whole political economy.</p>
<p>The party is Rethughlican; the political economy is called corporate capitalism.</p>
<p>I thought the goal of progressives was to offer an alternative, not to dress up the Rethugs’ worst mistakes in our own slogans and flog the same people the Rethugs have been kicking around.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/18/holy-muck/#comment-632749</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Supreme Court justices lie to America and outlaw many abortions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The war goes on in Iraq inspite of there being no legal justification.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The DoJ refuses to turn over documents subpoenaed by Congress.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A student goes psycho and kills 30  VT students and professors.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, Republicans, things going the way you planned? You’re okay with this?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t forget, YOUR Vice President SHOT a man in the face and wasn’t raked over the coals by the media the way you treated Prez Clinton.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bastards!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Supreme Court justices lie to America and outlaw many abortions.</p>
<p>The war goes on in Iraq inspite of there being no legal justification.</p>
<p>The DoJ refuses to turn over documents subpoenaed by Congress.</p>
<p>A student goes psycho and kills 30  VT students and professors.</p>
<p>So, Republicans, things going the way you planned? You’re okay with this?</p>
<p>Don’t forget, YOUR Vice President SHOT a man in the face and wasn’t raked over the coals by the media the way you treated Prez Clinton.</p>
<p>Bastards!</p>
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		<title>By: ccmask</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/18/holy-muck/#comment-632657</link>
		<dc:creator>ccmask</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-632568&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;2strange @ 315 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;ccmask - my son is 19 too, been working on a  asthma deferment for him for years-  it’s time to start thinking that way again - those that voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004 should  send their kids, not mine.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s right!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-632568"><em>2strange @ 315 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>ccmask &#8211; my son is 19 too, been working on a  asthma deferment for him for years-  it’s time to start thinking that way again &#8211; those that voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004 should  send their kids, not mine.</p>
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<p>That’s right!</p>
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		<title>By: Gunga Djinn</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/18/holy-muck/#comment-632645</link>
		<dc:creator>Gunga Djinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Recalling now, Bush got some heat for the label “War Czar”, on the basis that it invoked images of Soviet style government.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That must have drawn the WH brain trust into action, which yielded “EXECUTION MANAGER”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;really *is* mind boggling.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recalling now, Bush got some heat for the label “War Czar”, on the basis that it invoked images of Soviet style government.</p>
<p>That must have drawn the WH brain trust into action, which yielded “EXECUTION MANAGER”.</p>
<p>really *is* mind boggling.</p>
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		<title>By: kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OOps one more from David Corn.  David is always insightful.  He ask  whether  you can name the EPA director. I could not. (before this insane war I always knew who the EPA director was, not now,)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  See if you can answer before David lets you know in his piece.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.davidcorn.com/&quot;&gt;http://www.davidcorn.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OOps one more from David Corn.  David is always insightful.  He ask  whether  you can name the EPA director. I could not. (before this insane war I always knew who the EPA director was, not now,)</p>
<p>  See if you can answer before David lets you know in his piece.  <a href="http://www.davidcorn.com/">http://www.davidcorn.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kairos in Cal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/18/holy-muck/#comment-632619</link>
		<dc:creator>Kairos in Cal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jonathan at 65:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But to me, the real remedy would be the firing of everyone from Regent who’s been hired over the last couple of years, the firing and debarment from federal service of everyone involved in the violation, and the hiring of the rejected but clearly qualified applicants.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;__________&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Interesting option, but I suspect that might leave the “firer” open to a Title VII suit on discriminatory practices based on religion.&lt;br /&gt;
Whereas there are no protected rights in employment with regard to political affilia-tion, as far as I know.  INAL but I used to do Title VII investigations for a Human Relations Commission in Texas&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan at 65:</p>
<p>But to me, the real remedy would be the firing of everyone from Regent who’s been hired over the last couple of years, the firing and debarment from federal service of everyone involved in the violation, and the hiring of the rejected but clearly qualified applicants.</p>
<p>__________</p>
<p>Interesting option, but I suspect that might leave the “firer” open to a Title VII suit on discriminatory practices based on religion.<br />
Whereas there are no protected rights in employment with regard to political affilia-tion, as far as I know.  INAL but I used to do Title VII investigations for a Human Relations Commission in Texas</p>
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