
Well, today's Supreme Court ruling was as depressing as it was unsurprising (hopefully the Democrats have learned A Very Valuable Lesson about the importance of Supreme Court nominees, but it's a little late now), and we're going to be haunted by the VT Va. Tech shootings for quite some time, but there has been some encouraging, or at least damaging-to-Republicans news. Enjoy the feast of corruption, courtesy of the TPMiverse.
– Harry Reid tells Dubya to "Bring it on":
"Reid talked about a recent conversation he had with a retired general where they talked about the similarities between the current situation and Vietnam," the source relates. "He talked about how the President and Secretary of Defense [during Vietnam] knew that the war was lost but continued to press on at the cost of thousands of additional lives lost."
"The analogy to Vietnam appeared to touch a nerve with the President. He appeared a little sensitive to it," the source continued. "And he clearly didn't like to hear people in the room say that the war couldn't be won militarily."
More: "Reid made it clear to the President that he understood that the President and Vice President after the veto would come after him and Speaker Pelosi with everything they have. Reid said that he and Pelosi would respond just as aggressively…."
I wonder why Vietnam might be a sore spot for Dubya?
- Hardly surprising, but Democrats and suspected Democrats are not welcome anywhere in the Bush DoJ:
According to a group of anonymous Justice Department employees who've penned a letter to the House and Senate judiciary committees, all possible entry-level hires at the Justice Department are now being screened by the deputy attorney general's office.
(…)
From The Politico:
(…)
[T]he career employees did some checking of their own. They reportedly detected a "common denominator" for "most of those" struck from the interview list: They had "interned for a Hill Democrat, clerked for a Democratic judge, worked for a 'liberal cause' or otherwise appeared to have 'liberal' leanings. Summa cum laude graduates at both Yale and Harvard were rejected for interviews."
Meanwhile, Regent University grads have no problem getting their foot in the DoJ's door.
Is this at all normal? I skimmed through the comments under that post, and I didn't see anyone saying it's no big deal, Democratic DoJs never hire any Republicans either.
- Oh, and 50-year-old single guys aren't welcome either:
From The Las Vegas Review-Journal:
McNulty said he was concerned about Bogden, 50, getting a job outside government after 16 years at Justice and being able to care for his family.
When it was pointed out that Bogden was not married, McNulty withdrew his concern and the conversation ended after about 90 seconds, according to the account gathered by investigators….
Sampson couldn't say who had put Bogden on the list (even though he was the "keeper of the list") or why. He'd never looked at Bogden's performance, and neither did Alberto Gonzales. The only thing he can remember is that there was "a general feeling among senior staffers at the Justice Department that a 'stronger leader' could be put in Nevada." So he was fired. And then the Justice Department told Congress that he'd been fired for "performance" reasons.
I'm wondering if the idea of a 50-year-old guy who wasn't married triggered McNulty's gaydar or something.
- I'm sure we're all very surprised that the RNC has chosen the White House over the Judiciary Committee in the e-mail tug-of-war. This was probably what they wanted/planned to do all along, they just needed the figleaf of an official WH request. But if the WH can't prove that they have a right to decide which e-mails the Committee can see, then all this buys them is some extra time to prepare their spin.
- And of course, you already know about the raid on Doolittle, which was a very happy surprise. IANAL, but I'm pretty sure it's usually bad news when the FBI raids your house (it's just his wife, honest! ). I'm assuming that this would be at the direction of Carol Lam's replacement, Karen Hewitt? Which I think would mean one of four possibilities:
1) The Bushies either overestimated Hewitt's pliability or underestimated her competence (Lam did hire her, though).
2) The Bushies were not trying to protect Doolittle when they fired Lam, and Hewitt is doing exactly what they expected of her (hey, it's possible).
3) The Bushies are sacrificing Doolittle to make it look like they weren't trying to protect him when they fired Lam. In which case, they'd better be damn sure that there are no e-mails floating around that say otherwise, or they've burned Doolittle for nothing.
4) Kevin Ring just spontaneously decided to sing, thus making it impossible to slow-walk the investigation.
Whatever the reason, I'm happy to see the investigation fired up again. I just hope it doesn't turn out to be like Memogate, where falsifying one aspect nullifies everything else.
UPDATE: The RNC is trying to use "search terms" to limit the e-mails they release to Congress. Marcy observes that they are full of crap. (h/t to snowbird42 in the comments)
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Me zed!
Evenin’ Eli!
Hiya, LL!
jane!!!
Today was deadliest bombing day, since the U.S. invasion:
http://antiwar.com/updates/?articleid=10837
ruffian @ 3
Well, not quite…
When I think about all the Democrats that rolled for Bush on the Supremes, I get horrendously angry.
Yale and Harvard graduates rejected? Considering that Dubya graduated from both, maybe that’s not such a bad idea. ;)
Eli!
Nice post there, Eli…it’s “feast of corruption”-licious!
I’m almost afraid to look at the news these days. Although a spoonful of Firedoglake helps the medicine go down…
LoudounLib @ 9
Thanks, LL! I really wanted to post something with a unified theme (other than “Republicans are corrupt!”), but there was just too much to choose from…
Can we call this story something other than haunted by the VT shootings for…?
thnx, from Vermont.
well jane like fitz..
Eli!
this is a Lofty Dizzy Scoop
I believe that’s Holy Merde ;-)
Johnson and MacNamara knew it was a goner in 65. Johnson wasn’t gonna be the first president to lose no goddamn war.
PwapVt @
13
Try it now.
Iraq Prime Minister has ORDERED THE ARREST OF THE IRAQI ARMY COLONEL IN CHARGE OF SECURITY IN THE AREA AROUND A BAGHDAD MARKET THAT WAS HARD HIT TODAY BY A DEADLY CAR BOMBING:
http://www.wlos.com/template/i……com.shtml
well, one tiny good thing from today’s awfulness. the presence of nikki giovanni in today’s news has brought me to resurect my 1972 album and have my daughter hear it. it’s powerful, my house, indeed. good stuff. hadn’t heard it in a long time.
gosh reading this I just got this wonderful feeling~Bush outing? ohhhhh toooooo baddddd
raven @ 17
and think of all those who died and were hurt and damaged after that time, all those Americans, all those Vietnamese. All those lives changed for the worse. We just can’t allow that to happen again.
pouting…not outing
PwapVt @ 13
Hey, I keep reading it as “VErmont”, too! In fact, I keep saying, instead of Virginia Tech, “VPI,”, which is how the school was always referred to in my Virginia early childhood, and by my UVA-alum parents.
In fact, in the recent NCAA tournament, when VaTech was playing, I kept asking myself (my dad no longer being available to ask) if it was the same school. Apparently the nickname change came sometime in the last coupla decades – so recent for us aging folks to notice!
ruffian @ 21
I mainly focused on the scandal stuff here, but one of the best bit of news this week has been the confirmation that Bush is in the-more-he-talks-the-more-people-hate-him territory. Mwahahahaha.
Twisted Martini @ 11
Yeah I have to run here for some comfort when I hear someone discussing Rush Oxybaugh as if he’s an expert on Barack Obama. (Not the norm in CT, but not all that unusual either). Brrrr!
I am at a total loss as to why Lam’s successor would allow Doolittle to be thrown under the bus.I would have thought that was part of the reason Lam was fired. Good news anyway.
AbuDoJ Resume: Yale, Harvard, Princeton, suspected Democrat bad. RegentU, good.
tejanarusa @ 24
I apologize; it was kinda like the verbiage equivalent of ordering a Diet Coke to go with eight Big Macs and a pizza.
and think of all those who died and were hurt and damaged after that time, all those Americans, all those Vietnamese. All those lives changed for the worse. We just can’t allow that to happen again.
It is happening again.
PwapVt @ 13
How about VA Tech?
Does anyone still believe Bush when he blames Democrats? No one thinks that this ’surge’ is working. If they did, what can they say after today? Bush doesn’t understand that people don’t want this war anymore. If they’re mad at the Democrats, it’s for not standing up to him harder.
Subpeonas should be the order of the day. Esp. with the RNC. Send over the FBI and just take them.
I hadn’t spent much time looking into Bogden, concentrating on Chiara since her district as U.S. Attorney was in my state. I note that both Bogden and Chiara weren’t called on to testify in front of Congress…and that there has been no reference anywhere to Chiara having a family, either.
Quel coincidence, non?
Have already been asking around in state if anybody has more intel on this facet; there were comments about Chiara and favoritism directed toward a long-time friend, a female prosecutor. Hmm.
in re: BushCo and Doolittle – I choose option #1
in re: Single, fifty year old men. Be nice. I’m a straight, soon to be double-nickle WM. Unemployed, but that’s another story.
in re: WH and RNC. Bring it on and get the law suit going.
in re: DoJ and no Dems. Seems to me, that if they could have even thought such a thing were happening in Dem administrations (checking political affiliations before hiring), the wing-nutters would have been at the ramparts with the hanging ropes at the ready.
in re: Iraq/Nam and a Draft. I’ve seen a few more calls for a draft. I believe I saw one that had Lawrence Korb’s name attached. And the Chimpy should get testy when Nam is brought up. Screw him.
In addition to the huge carnage in iraq, today, the other main story re the war was Murtha suggesting that a draft is the only way to avoid breaking the army. It was on C&L. That raises the political ante even more for the Bush. High stakes poker here.
Schwag of Tulsa @ 8
Hey, we’re not all bad! *g*
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/
Empty Wheels take on Subpoenas.
I want them to have teeth.
Prairie Sunshine @ 16
OT and from below: I had to think a minute to remember just who Valentine Michael Smith was. In my defense, I’m getting old, I read it over twenty-five years/thirty ago and I have a lot of other books on the shelf as well.
dakine01 @ 32
I wrestled with that one a little bit, but it seemed like an awfully quick reversal, and I was wondering if there was more behind it than “Oh, he doesn’t have a family, I guess we can fire him with impunity.”
I apologize; it was kinda like the verbiage equivalent of ordering a Diet Coke to go with eight Big Macs and a pizza.
VPI added “and State University” to its name in 1970, yielding the current formal name of Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University. In the early 1990s, the school quietly authorized the official use of Virginia Tech as equivalent to the full VPI&SU name. Many school documents today use the shorter name, though diplomas and transcripts still spell out the formal name. Similarly, the abbreviation VT is far more common today than VPI or VPI&SU, and appears everywhere, from athletic uniforms, to the university’s Internet domain name vt.edu.
So, the Ark of the Corruption is being delivered to the White House by the RNC.
I wonder what will happen when they look inside?
Holy muck on Darrell Issa! It’s going to all come out. I feel some satisfaction.
Georgesimian @ 30
No, that’s not the problem. The fact is that Bush just doesn’t CARE what the people want. He thinks he’s on the proverbial mission from God, that history will vindicate him, that he’s one of those Truman-like figures who will be shown to have courageously persevered in the face of unpopularity.
dakine01 @ 32
Add my name. A universal draft that would include military or community service.
Elliott @ 22
Including those who died after ‘68 and Nixon’s “Secret Plan to end the War”
tejanarusa @ 42
Which is why we must all ensure his legacy will be one of shame, defeat and stupidity that will be mocked for a thousand years to come.
raven @ 17
Spose anybody’s learned not to fight ‘em unless we need to?
Wow. So would MSNBC show snuff films, too? I guess they want to make sure that the next mass murderer sends his photos to their network.
I’ll put my bet on option 3. They sacrifice Doolittle for the good of the order.
They need to stop it at him, though, because coming in behind him are Jerry Lewis and a few others. And who knows where the missing records are hiding. I still want to know who Jimmy Jeff was visiting when he didn’t sign out of the WH.
Prairie Sunshine @
16
Why the half measure? Don’t you mean sacre merde!?
A rose by any other name smells as sweet…
Bob in HI
Scarecrow @ 33
Also at HuffPost.
The National Union of Journalists has voted at its annual meeting for a boycott of Israeli goods as part of a protest against last year’s war in Lebanon.
The motion called for the end of Israeli aggression in Gaza and other occupied territories.
From the Guardian
raven @ 43
Much like the tax code, good in theory, bad in execution.
Even a draft call goes away if your parents have enough money to throw at it.
I can’t take it anymore. When is American Idol on?
If it was that, he never would have gotten appointed in the first place. I suspect it was just the Bushie instinct for PR above all else — it might look bad and make trouble for them if the guy could complain about the hardship for his family, whereas if it was just himself, he wouldn’t speak up because it would look selfish and wimpy.
Eli @ 37
No, you’re probably correct. It does sometimes seem to be, “Oh, well, he’s single so doesn’t have to worry about anything like food and such.” /snark off.
Frank Probst @ 47
What was disgusting was that even the BBC was showing them! That’s when I knew I needed to abandon the news for a while.
raven said:
Yeah, I finally figured that out during the bball playoffs, then noticed that the place where the memorial was shown, candles, etc., was a large “VT.”
Oh well. Up the road a piece (as my WVa hills-born dad would’ve said), the former Southwest Texas State University (and earlier SWT Teachers College, when LBJ was a student) recently became Southwest Texas University. Things change. Can’t always keep up, lol.
(Hell, I can’t always keep up w/ the Bushie scandals!)
Waxman, Conyers, Pelosi, Leahy, Reid, Murtha, Obama,
SIC ‘EM
snowbird42 @
35
Thanks for the tip! Have added it to the main post.
I wonder why Vietnam might be a sore spot for Dubya?
He probably thinks that when he checked the I don’t want to serve in Vietnam box during his on again off again “service” in the Champagne Unit of the Texas National Guard he wouldn’t have to hear those dreaded words again.
Recall that he chose to give up his million dollar US taxpayer funded pilot’s status rather than submit to a drug test, which if he failed, would mean an immediate discharge from the Air Force and a 1A status in the Army.
LS @ 52
Oh see you can’t escape it. There’s nowhere to go but here. Didn’t American Idol have some guy in the military on who wrote maudlin songs about patriotism and got a standing ovation, or non? I don’t watch the show. By the General’s standards I am French.
It’s outrageous to hear pundits and so called experts say there is no similarity between Vietnam and Iraq.
Frank Probst @ 47
They’re showing the journalistic standards that distinguish them from those DFH bloggers.
Even a draft call goes away if your parents have enough money to throw at it.
I was born at night but not last night. I still think universal service would be good.
raven @ 43 says:
And mine as far as that goes. Male and female across the board. No deferments. Two to four years of service for the privilege of being a citizen of the US is how my father always put it.
No, it’s not normal. In fact, it’s a pretty clear violation of 5 U.S.C. 2302.
Of course, the penalties are basically decided by the Merit Systems Board, so I’m not sure what they’d decide to do in this case, or what would have to happen to initiate a review of the case. Perhaps a rejected applicant would have to file a grievance.
And I suppose there are always civil suits.
But to me, the real remedy would be the firing of everyone from Regent who’s been hired over the last couple of years, the firing and debarment from federal service of everyone involved in the violation, and the hiring of the rejected but clearly qualified applicants.
dakine01 @ 64
And mine as far as that goes. Male and female across the board. No deferments. Two to four years of service for the privilege of being a citizen of the US is how my father always put it.
There’s no way in heck I would want to serve this criminal war.
radiofreewill @
39
Rove *does* bear kind of a resemblance…
That’s it. I’m getting my tent and going out into the wilderness to ponder life. I’m taking my computer and chocolate (and beer and tequila).
mui @ 66
There’s no way in heck I would want to serve this criminal war.
Maybe they wouldn’t be able to get away with this bullshit if somebody acutally had a stake in it.
mui @ 66
There’s no way in heck I would want to serve this criminal war.
That’s why we include a community service aspect rather than just military. It means NO DAMNED EXCUSES. EVERYBODY serves.
mui @ 66
There’s no way in heck I would want to serve this criminal war.
I had the great honor to serve under two Johnson and Nixon. I don’t have amnesia like some of our great Democratic Party candidates.
Jonathan @ 64
I’m wondering if this might actually be the way to get rid of all the unqualified conservazombies – if they were hired at the expense of more qualified applicants who were turned down for unlawful reasons, or as replacements for people who were forced out unethically, perhaps that would mitigate against the entrenchedness of federal career employees.
dakine01 @ 70
mui @ 66
dakine01 @ 64
raven @ 43 says:
And mine as far as that goes. Male and female across the board. No deferments. Two to four years of service for the privilege of being a citizen of the US is how my father always put it.
There’s no way in heck I would want to serve this criminal war.
That’s why we include a community service aspect rather than just military. It means NO DAMNED EXCUSES. EVERYBODY serves.
fukin A
Bob Schacht @ 48
9 to 5, it’s “Holy Merde”…although our Sunshine family fave will always be Holy Buckets…I have no idea why….
As far as a draft goes, it would probably be a lot better to institute as a war *preventative*, because whichever party institutes it in the middle of a war is committing electoral suicide.
raven @ 63
I was born at night but not last night. I still think universal service would be good.
And if you think this would pass without a boatload of exemptions stuck in by special interests I have a bridge (slightly used) in Iraq to sell you.
ruffian @
23
Considering Georgie’s rumored proclivities, I consider that a classic Freudian slip.
As a parent and citizen, I’d support universal community service with a non-compulsory military component (weighted to favor those who choose the miltary?).
Eli @ 75
Bush doesn’t care about the polls anymore. He’s crazy enough to do it.
Eli @ 75
Well, it’s all navel gazing any damn way. Charlie Rangel brings it up then votes agin’ it!
dakine01 @ 70
Hmm, yeah just look at the “community service” the young Republikans would probably be doing, while the rest of us get the shaft (if it’s a co-ed shaft.)
punaise @ 78
Brilliant
And a great way to reduce the defecit
Phule @ 78
Nah, some Republican congresscritter would just have to whisper in his ear that restoring the draft would be like admitting a mistake, and that would be the end of that.
raven @ 43
This gives an opportunity for all those macho hero guys who would’ve jumped the shooter at VaTech to go off to Iraq and be macho heroes
No draft with these people in control!!! Absolutely not.
mui @ 81
Plus, it gives Crazy Republicans more access to things like guns and explosives.
And if you think this would pass without a boatload of exemptions stuck in by special interests I have a bridge (slightly used) in Iraq to sell you.
Man, I bet I’m the first one on FDL to come up with a silly ass, half-baked idea that has absolutely no chance on god’s green earth of happeneing!
Elliott @ 22
The crying shame is that we are, and we have… :(
Eli @ 83
Show me a Republican in Congress smart enough to think of that. :P
OT – but then again, not:
Those dirty f***g hippie Hollywood types are at least trying to get some reality into their fiction:
Crossing Jordan (on now) ep is about the horrors of the Patriot Act–one of the m.e.’s, Dr. Vijay, of Indian descent, has been snatched by Homeland Security, kept incommunicado, and questioned about supposedly joining Al Qaeda when he went to Delhi for a family wedding.
Even the district attorney and the chief m.e. are getting the brush-off from DHS as they try to find him, and the victim himself keeps trying to exercise his rights as an American citizen…of course, to no avail.
This is kinda interesting. Maybe some mass audience eyes will be opened a bit tonight.
Hi all.
Any progress in Top Earth yet?
No? Back to Middle Earth then. Hi LooHoo!
raven @ 71
Who’s an amnesiac?
RevDeb @
48
But it’s not Congressman Doolittle who’s in trouble. It’s MRS Doolittle!
mui @ 91
I used to know…
raven @ 87
Man, I bet I’m the first one on FDL to come up with a silly ass, half-baked idea that has absolutely no chance on god’s green earth of happeneing!
Live by the snark. Die by the snark.
mui @ 92
Who are you again?
Have we had enough?
mui @ 92
My brother John Kerry for one, he went on and on about “Nixon’s War”. I’m very aware of what the trickster did but that doesn’t make the “Best and the Brightest” any less responsible.
TeddySanFran @ 92
That was a close one!
LS @ 85
Just imagine what the draft boards would look like.
Or rather, you don’t want to.
The videos of Cho reveal that he was very psychotic and grandiose. I’m surprised at how ill he appears and saddened at this revelation.
A bigger concern than people imitating him from airing the videos is having people as mentally ill as Cho not getting sufficient intervention and help.
allan_in_upstate @ 100
Yea, they’d get you in the Hershey Highway. Let’s see how many ol’ folks we got here?
allan_in_upstate @ 99
I imagine they’d be like Pride & Prejudice: Regents-y.
tejanarusa @ 90
goodness! and isn’t that NBC?
Phule @ 86
mui @ 81
dakine01 @ 70
That’s why we include a community service aspect rather than just military. It means NO DAMNED EXCUSES. EVERYBODY serves.
Hmm, yeah just look at the “community service” the young Republikans would probably be doing, while the rest of us get the shaft (if it’s a co-ed shaft.)
Plus, it gives Crazy Republicans more access to things like guns and explosives.
Uh I had an ex-boyfriend whose father gavem him a cheap throw away gun from Vietnam, unmarked and said: here son, just use this, in case you get crazy.*Achem* Imagine more touching father-son scenes like that brought about by this war. No offense to those in this group who served and are sane.
Muzzy @ 101
And being able to legally buy a gun.
Ah, Rush?
Hmm. an SKS.
Redshift @ 34
Umm, I think only if you’re a Democrat. If you’re Republican (and a member of the Federal Society), Regent is more than good enough.
Eli @ 94
Hey there, I happen to know from college psych memory class, that short-term is always lost first, not long-term memory. I can’t be fooled.
Muzzy @ 101
LALALALALAALALALALCANTHEARYOU
snowbird42 @
35
Hmm…considering that misogynists call their most horrific fear “vagina dentata,” — would that make what you’re hoping for a “subpoena dentata“?
Mrs. K8 @ 111
Isn’t that a Police album?
FINGERS-IN-EARS.LALALALALALALAL CAN’T HEAR YOU
raven @ 107
What’s an SKS? C’mon tell!
I wonder if the Republicans are feeling subpoena envy right about now.
RevDeb @ 47
y’know for a Lady of the Cloth, I’m not a little surprised and pleased that your mind runs in the same channels as mine… :) :)
That story must be SO radioactive that the Washington Johnalists know that to touch it would be a Career Terminating Move.
Gird up your loins and get to work ya lazy gutless bastards! You only get one chance to save the nation…
lolo @ 113
Better stick em in yours eyes so you can’t read?
I’m watching X-files the movie, and truth these days is stranger than fiction.
Raven, I’m one of the old ones.
Cozumel @ 107
It’s hard to know how well he could actually sustainably and convincingly hold it together versus how indifferent a gun salesperson could be to a clearly ill person trying to obtain a gun.
I normally don’t get in to the tabloid stuff, but can anyone explain the photoshopping here:
Rings and Doolittles
It appears that pranksters have made both Kernie Ring’s right breast and Julie Doolittle’s head twice the size of Kernie’s head.
That is weird, don’t you think?
raven @ 102 says:
Well, I’m 54. Manipulated the system to avoid draft (# was 6!), then wound up enlisting in USAF from 12/76-9/82. Quite a change from wanting to be career Army officer which was dream when I graduated HS in ‘70 after four years of military HS/brain washing. My vet friends started the transformation that first summer after HS. Told me I was full of it and here’s why type stories.
mui @ 114
Bolt action rifle commonly used by various communist military. Used the same round as an AK -47. They were very dependable and produced cheaply by the Chinese. The Chezch (sp) ones are way better.
Eli @ 115
It’s not the size of your gavel that counts, it’s how often you use it.
tejanarusa @
41
Actually, I think it’s even worse than that. Little Boots takes a perverse PLEASURE in saying “fuck you” to the nation. It gives him a THRILL.
Remember, he started saying things like “a dictatorship? Just so long as I am the dictator” way back when — in 1999. He’s made that remark several times now.
I knew the first time I heard it (way back when) that he wasn’t joking, he was dead serious. Who the hell makes jokes like that but an antisocial narcissistic authoritarian?
The RNC is trying to use “search terms” to limit the e-mails they release to Congress. Marcy observes that they are full of crap.
How shrill of you folks!
Muzzy @ 119
He should have been put in a DON’T SELL data base when he was diagnosed as “mentalily ill” and a “danger to others”, IMO
UPDATE: The RNC is trying to use “search terms” to limit the e-mails they release to Congress. Marcy observes that they are full of crap.
I got yer search term right here, fella: “Rove”
raven @ 112
Good one Raven.
Oh Good!!! A post that isn’t about abortion or the psycho an Virginia Tech! Maybe I will stay more than 3 minutes!
Mrs. K8 @ 123
I’m not sure if it’s the country in general, or just the “Democrat Party”, but that in-your-face wingnut bully attitude is clearly there.
raven @ 107
Wait no it was a cheap handgun. Father in the Marines.
lolo – The Cho story will die in the media quickly now that the mystery is gone. Just sad.
raven @
117
Don’t you need your fingers to type?
Jonathan @ 65
Ding! Ding! Ding!
[..but what would be the grounds for termination of the new hires? Would their participation in a “religious test” to assume office be enough?…..(and if so, how would one prove a give new hire had taken the oath?)]
SnarKassandra @ 129
Better watch out SnarKassandra, we’re planning your future here. :})
Oklahoma kiddo @
50
OK Kiddo — sorry for my ignorance about this organization, but could you tell me — is this an AMERICAN organization of journalists, or is it in the UK??
Thanks!
Eli @ 115
I am so ready for this hearing. Not a mention about the hearing today. It was very important. Election thievery and all……
http://www.oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1248
dakine01 @ 121
Well, I’m 54. Manipulated the system to avoid draft (# was 6!), then wound up enlisting in USAF from 12/76-9/82. Quite a change from wanting to be career Army officer which was dream when I graduated HS in ‘70 after four years of military HS/brain washing. My vet friends started the transformation that first summer after HS. Told me I was full of it and here’s why type stories.
Exaclty, I did my best to keep everyone I knew out of that bullshit. That’s one reason I’m so bummed that one of my oldest friends from “the Revolution” son joind the damn army after her graduated from college. He shipped last week as a PFC groundpounder with the 2nd ID. If I wasn’t an atheist I’d be praying for his young ass.
OT – ifthethunderdon’tgetya, you heard Cow Palace ‘76 yet? Newest vault release?
Propagandee @
59
It was the Texas AIR National Guard! Not the regular one.
kirk murphy @ 133
What about the fact that they were hired unlawfully?
dakine01 @ 135
Do I get to marry a cute guy? Will I have lots of money? Will I get a good job?
Subpoena dentata, what a wonderful phrase…
Supboena dentata, ain’t no passin’ craze…
Sorry ’bout that, I’ll go back to work now.
Muzzy @ 132
Not if copycats start popping up.
Which MSNBC might think of as a feature, not a bug.
raven @ 122
I wonder who’s making the cheapy weapons in this war now and clogging street markets with it. Would it be Iran, China? I wonder.
Wait no it was a cheap handgun. Father in the Marines.
“The Things They Carried”, Tim O’Brien. Lot’s of guys carried little insurance policies.
Well, I better get to bed early tonight so I can be well-rested for Gonzo Thursday!
Balrog @ 139
I haven’t heard nothing. *Sniff*
In between working for a living, and a little reading of my favorite blogs….
P.S. Is there anything to sample online?
Elliott @
84
Tell them NOW they should volunteer. Draft or no draft.
allan_in_upstate @ 144
The boys at my school play-act it all out. It is really gross!
allan_in_upstate @ 143
Are spree killings really uncommon enough for the idea of “copycats” to be meaningful? I mean, the buy-some-guns-and-shoot-a-bunch-of-people gameplan is pretty well-established at this point.
So the President & VP have vowed to come after Reid & Pelosi with everything they’ve got?
Does that mean another round of A#thrax letters, or just more swiftboating?
[couldn’t resist]
mui @ 145
Most of what we see are RPG’s (B-40’s) and AK’s, I assume the Russians are supplying them.
It should be fairly obvious by now, that this president is sick. Very sick. I’m not attempting to crack a joke here. Seriously.
salon.com:
SnarKassandra @ 150
Children of the Corn……
Gunga Djinn @ 152
They are evil. It could be anything!
SnarKassandra @ 142
Jeff Gannon. Inherit the National Debt. Flipping burgers for the Chinese.
Welcome to Morning in America, The Sequel.
SnarKassandra @ 142 asks:
That would pretty much depend upon you and your luck. raven and myself and one or two others (not real sure) have proposed that there be a Universal Service for everyone, no exceptions, including a voluntary military component. Service of two to four years for the privilege of being a US citizen.
Raven to Kathleen
Keith spent a good bit of time reflecting on why the Va Tech deaths should carry more import than those is Iraq. It’s a bit much to start making blanket statement about blame.
Kathleen to Raven.
Good for Olbermann. Now will he dedicate at least a whole hour to the 650,ooo dead Iraqi’s, how about an hour on the 2 million refugee’s he could certainly get some coverage of these Iraqi’s
Your response sounds like a true American, “not me” and I obviously disagree with you. I believe each and every one of us are responsible (to some degree) for the deaths in Iraq (even though along with millions of other Americans I spent weeks protesting before the invasion, petitioning calling my reps, etc to no avail.
And I still feel responsible for what my country has done in Iraq!
dakine01 @
54
Back in the day when I was in a doctoral program, the misogynistic professors* there had no trouble openly telling us women that they offered higher paying graduate fellowships to the men, since they had “mouths to feed.”
(They were later successfully sued by a woman professor who had been denied tenure — who picked up the settlement check, but told them to STUFF the belatedly proffered tenure and went off to an immediately tenured slot at ANOTHER ivy…)
Well, 10pm here in the deep south. See ya at 5! Peas ya’ll!
Eli @ 141
I’m ignorant…but if the illegal hiring decision is made by the Federal government employee who selects the applicant, once the applicant is hired into the Civil Service, can that (hired) applicant be terminated because of some other employee’s illegal act?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 154
We talk about it every day right? Like I bet Cho’s classmates did. But there’s no teacher or principal to tell when it is your president that is crazy and likes violence.
punaise @ 154
I seem to remember this coming up in the document dump a few weeks ago.
mui @ 145
I think the AK-47 is the cheapy weapon now. Although I have to admit, if I could find an old M1, I could be tempted to get one. (But I am NOT looking for one, trust me)
Eli @ 151
apologies for poor taste, in advance:
brings new meaning to the Poly
technicphonic Spree.Oklahoma kiddo @ 154
It should have been obvious, long ago.
kathleen @ 160
Yesterday I told someone “you know nothing about me, nothing”. Don’t try to lay some guilt trip on me baby, I earned mine. Good night.
Mrs. K8 @ 160
But… you women have to feed your toothy vaginas!
Paranoid schizophrenia is hard to copy.
As a progressive, I see Republicans as enemies… of social progress. They want to drag sociey back to the dark ages.
The right sees “liberals” as the enemy in a different sense. We are blocking them from their perceived entitlement of, what white folks say, goes. We are the nonsheep who must be demonized and destroyed. And they’ll say anything to make it so.
Muzzy @ 132
I know but it’s so redundant.
kirk murphy @ 162
That’s what I’m wondering. Could the redress to the wronged party include giving them the job that was rightfully theirs?
Balrog @ 92
Hi! Some progress. Doolittle’s getting his namesake soon. Big fun tomorrow, and Gonzales doesn’t know what sweet Monica will give up. Really tasty stuff ahead.
He should have been put in a DON’T SELL data base when he was diagnosed as “mentalily ill” and a “danger to others”, IMOThe laws must change ; )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1hlhp1F7iU
dakine01 @ 64
And mine as far as that goes. Male and female across the board. No deferments. Two to four years of service for the privilege of being a citizen of the US is how my father always put it.
Actually, I would absolutely love to see a renewal of the CCC (Civilian Conservation Corps) and the WPA (Works Progress Administration).
Ifwhen the Great Depression Part Deux hits, we may get a chance to renew these options.Sigh.
Eli @ 115
“subpoena envy” Somehow when the Republicans had the chance to subpoena they blew it!
Redshift @ 54
Think about it; when did Mehlman depart the RNC’s leadership? Was he slipping in esteem with the White House? Was he no longer able to stop these bigoted dorks from using sexuality as a criteria for hiring/firing? Had failures in relation to gay marriage encouraged the Bushistas to be aggressive and apply filters against gays in their ranks at the DOJ?
Eli @ 174
What little I remember from my long ago Civil service days, probably not. I think the redress would be name on the list for next appropriate openings.
As a mother of a 19 year old son, I am against a draft. I guess that figures, right?
Cozumel @ 175
I thought maybe you were going in a different direction…
Eli @ 170
Zing!!! Good one.
I was about to say I need to go make dinner now, but…it might be misunderstood.
Rayne @ 179
Kenny the Mehlman left when The Math of Karl got pwned in 2006. Somebody had to take the fall for Rove, as usual.
lolo @ 173
Do you think that if there is anything in Cho’s manifesto where he describes being picked on, will we be hearing about it?
SnarKassandra @ 150
More than gross, Snarkassandra. Sounds pretty scary to me. Do you mean they shoot each other w/ “finger guns” and fall to the floor? Are they making the shooter a hero of some kind?
What possesses them, do you suppose?
kathleen @ 178
And swallowed to boot.
from CBS:
Fred Phelps & Westboro Baptist Church plan to protest VTech victims funerals.
[don’t…ask…me]
Eli @ 182
LOL
SnarKassandra @ 164
Sooo… why was that, again, that Impeachment is “off the table?”
Gunga Djinn @ 187
I’m pretty sure that everything bad that happens in the US is due to our refusal to kill all the gay people.
punaise @ 155
I thought that was obvious — the firings themselves are OBSCENE (and I know obscenity when I see it!) — oh, you mean “pornography” in the sense of graphic sexual acts?
Oh well. That’s kid stuff compared to the obscene way they treat the Constitution.
Balrog @ 121
Nermal in this family.
ccmask @ 181
As a mother of a 19 year old daughter (and a 27 and 29 year old daughters). I am for the draft. When you make it obligatory for all to serve, things change dramatically. More Americans would have been out on the streets (although there were millions accumulatively) before the invasion, if their kids were going to have to serve.
When thousands of kids in Appalachia(and I have talked to lots and their families) join the military to access college and end up taking a detour in Iraq that is just unfair and wrong!
Eli @ 191
this should just about do them in I would hope
kathleen @ 194
If we were attacked, it would be different. I’m NOT sending my boy off.
What a swamp of comments in these blogs the past few days!
The generals need to take out Bush and Cheney and hold this country together until another election can be held. This surge has become a swamp unto itself. The mass murders in Bagdad as well as VT, the Gonzoles screwup of Justice, have made ennduring two more years of this administraton mere wishful thinking. We met the enemy and he is us.
What are they getting, 10 days of training?
ruffian @ 194
Free speech. And pretty much everyone knows they’re crazy. If anything, they’ll make the intolerant Christian Right look bad by association.
In theory, at least…
raven @ 169
I did not say that I know anything about you. I said your comment sounded like a true American.
Perhaps the college republicans should enlist since they are soldiers in Christ’s army and to them, Bush is Christ.
ccmask @
181
ccmask, I understand and am against a draft by itself. But the idea of a Universal Service, including a military component, with no deferments/no exceptions/everybody serves for 2-4 years, is an idea that is probably long overdue. It gives everyone a stake in everything going on in this country and I would hope, would go a long way to stopping the adventurousness of the neo-conjob-artists who can sit up in their McMansions pontificating and escape the ramifications of their actions. (climbing down off my soap box now).
thnx, x2
kathleen @
194
What? Kids sign up for the military and are expected to serve in the military?
Nice.
Eli @ 191
: 0 !!
It’s not like I understand their reasoning anyway, but…huh?
Well a friendly warning. I’m about to post on the abortion decision today. It looks like it will be in two parts.
SnarKassandra @ 129
Thank you Cassie.
Part 1
Justice Kennedy wrote the majority opinion in the 5-4 decision in Gonzales v. Carhart which upheld a Congressionally mandated ban on intact dilation and extraction, also known as partial birth abortion. The language of the opinion is telling. It is peppered with references to “abortion doctors” and “killing the fetus”. A clinical description of an ID&E is followed by a nurse’s subjective one:
The baby’s little fingers were clasping and unclasping, and his little feet were kicking. . .
The doctor opened up the scissors, stuck a highpowered suction tube into the opening, and sucked the baby’s brains out
Nothing like impartiality, is there? Or how about the emotionally loaded:
Respect for human life finds an ultimate expression in the bond of love the mother has for her child. The Act recognizes this reality as well.
One of the more curious aspects of Kennedy’s opinion is that he cites findings from the Congressional Act but later admits in passing that some of them are wrong and others debatable. When even dubious assertions fail him, he resorts to the categorical:
It is self-evident that a mother who comes to regret her choice to abort must struggle with grief more anguished and sorrow more profound when she learns, only after the event, what she once did not know: that she allowed a doctor to pierce the skull and vacuum the fastdeveloping brain of her unborn child, a child assuming the human form.
That’s right, folks, your Supreme Court justice here constructs a highly prejudicial hypothetical and then cites it as “self’evident” fact. Kennedy’s reasoning is completely dishonest. It ignores the well established duty of a physician to provide the patient with sufficient information so that she can give an “informed consent”. And while Kennedy sheds crocodile tears over a woman’s grief, he goes on to hope that hitting a woman at a particularly vulnerable moment with an especially gory description might reduce the number of such abortions
It is a reasonable inference that a necessary effect of the regulation and the knowledge it conveys will be to encourage some women to carry the infant to full term, thus reducing the absolute number of late-term abortions.
Kennedy also ignores that this procedure is rare (and so will not affect many women) and that it is usually not elective but dictated by medical concerns. Kennedy’s dishonesty does not stop there. He never explains how a woman who likely has little choice but to abort is going to be horrified at the ID&E but not the still legal regular D&E (in which the fetus is dismembered in utero) with or without prior termination of the fetus chemically or mechanically, or a termination followed by induction and a possibly lengthy labor. Indeed you might ask yourself, if unlike Justice Kennedy, you lived on Earth in the early 21st century, why prohibit the ID&E when the other methods are not particularly warmer and fuzzier.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 154
With you one hundred percent. Bush is one sick psychopath. His illness seems to be contagious. Many Americans seem to be suffering from Bush’s malignant narcissism.
tejanarusa @ 204
I have no idea, but “God Hates Fags” appears to be, like, their organizing principle.
I remember a quote from one of them saying that the idea that God is a loving God is an awful, terrible mistake.
Gunga Djinn @ 188
Oooh – what an opportunity to divide the hate preachers.
Phelps’ exploitation is (I’m guessing) grossly offensive to the students and VA Tech community.
Anger, helplessness, frustration -
Phelps’ visit will tap into them all…
Will Falwell, Robertson, Dobson et al reject Phelps?
IIRC Falwell is in VA….
Can we make Phelps’ visit into putrefying road kill smeared on Falwell’s public image?
Nader…Paging Ralph Nader…
Still think there’s no difference?
Nice way to crown your legacy, Ralph.
Let me try that again Part 1
Justice Kennedy wrote the majority opinion in the 5-4 decision in Gonzales v. Carhart which upheld a Congressionally mandated ban on intact dilation and extraction, also known as partial birth abortion. The language of the opinion is telling. It is peppered with references to “abortion doctors” and “killing the fetus”. A clinical description of an ID&E is followed by a nurse’s subjective one:
Nothing like impartiality, is there? Or how about the emotionally loaded:
One of the more curious aspects of Kennedy’s opinion is that he cites findings from the Congressional Act but later admits in passing that some of them are wrong and others debatable. When even dubious assertions fail him, he resorts to the categorical:
That’s right, folks, your Supreme Court justice here constructs a highly prejudicial hypothetical and then cites it as “self’evident” fact. Kennedy’s reasoning is completely dishonest. It ignores the well established duty of a physician to provide the patient with sufficient information so that she can give an “informed consent”. And while Kennedy sheds crocodile tears over a woman’s grief, he goes on to hope that hitting a woman at a particularly vulnerable moment with an especially gory description might reduce the number of such abortions
Kennedy also ignores that this procedure is rare (and so will not affect many women) and that it is usually not elective but dictated by medical concerns. Kennedy’s dishonesty does not stop there. He never explains how a woman who likely has little choice but to abort is going to be horrified at the ID&E but not the still legal regular D&E (in which the fetus is dismembered in utero) with or without prior termination of the fetus chemically or mechanically, or a termination followed by induction and a possibly lengthy labor. Indeed you might ask yourself, if unlike Justice Kennedy, you lived on Earth in the early 21st century, why prohibit the ID&E when the other methods are not particularly warmer and fuzzier.
It isn’t impossible to get rid of the Bushies. You just have to focus on getting it done. Quietly. Slowly. Special attention to each of them. Something different for each of them. Clinton didn’t do it, but the next Democrat President must.
Part 2
Kennedy does have an answer for this. In fact, it is his core argument. As you will see it is not much of one:
Stated baldly no such consensus exists, period. If it did, this case would never have existed or be seen as so controversial. Kennedy and the Congress are just trying to stare reality down. Again the word dishonesty comes to mind. What really grabs these people is nothing logical, scientific, medical, or even ethical. It is something visceral, based not on reality, but on a similarity.
The exceptions that Kennedy envisages are equally telling and, though I hate to be repetitious, dishonest.
First, Kennedy goes into extensive convolutions to maintain that a physician is not liable for performing an ID&E if that was not his or her intent, that is if during the course of a regular D&E, a criterion is accidentally met that would qualify the procedure as the gruesome ID&E. What Kennedy doesn’t go into is the chilling effect on physicians in certain states where the physical parameters of the procedure and the physicians’ intent might come into question on something other than medical grounds.
Second, Kennedy notes that the law has an exception to protect the life of the mother, but not for her health. Kennedy states that there are other equally available procedures and that there is scientific uncertainty about whether an ID&E presents fewer risks. This is curious since he does admit that a regular D&E increases the risk for cervical laceration and uterine perforation. He doesn’t say but it is true that induction of labor also has risks.
So what we are left with is a profoundly dishonest opinion, ignorant of medicine and disdainful of womens’ choices. And why? Because a priggish Congress and a equally priggish Court think that a medical procedure is icky. And oh yes, they don’t like abortion either but still do not have yet the cojones, thankfully, to oppose it openly.
punaise @ 155
As Congress prepares to grill Alberto Gonzales, Salon has uncovered another partisan issue connected to the mass firings: Pornography.
Well guys-’n’-gals, I confess I just read that Salon.com article and couldn’t figure out what the issue is. Been a long day I guess, so would wiser heads fill me in? TIA.
Balrog @ 204
many sign up because they are desperate and want access to a better life. Many of them put their trust in their leaders, thinking that they will only have to put their lives on the line for this country if it is absolutely necessary. Not sent to another country based on a pack of lies.
Badwater @ 212
Ralph is going to be on The Nation’s Alaska cruise with Katrina vanDenHeuvel et al.
I woulda gone along just to gaze at Alaska and Katrina V. But not if Ralph is going.
Snowflake babies across the nation are eager with anticipation as they await their court assigned mothers.
I don’t know if it has been mentioned in this thread but Harry Reid was a former amateur boxer…middleweight…and he once lunged at a man who tried to bribe him and would have strangled latter had not the sting cops intervened.
But despite this obvious toughness, my guess is that Pelosi is even tougher than Reid. Look at it this way…what kind of toughness do you think it takes to become the first woman Speaker of the House in an institutioin dominated by would-be alpha males?
So poor Dubya is up against two tough operators, and if does not know it yet, he will find out soon enough. Throw Jack Murtha into the mix (Pelosi wanted him for Majority Leader), along with Waxman and Conyers, and Wimpy Chimpy has his hands full.
Eli @ 210
Is there some gay connection to this tragedy that I’ve missed? OR do they just figure that anything bad that happens is because of gays?
From here on out- the Bush administration is fighting gravity. It’s unusual for any president to get much done his last two years- but in this case- the door to the legislature is closed. There will be no legislative victories for President Piece of Shit. On the war- he’s now “all in”. Every troop that he can shoe horn into Iraq is being shoe-horned in- and he can’t keep it going past early fall- he runs out of troops. If he hasn’t won it by then- it’s all over- and everyone knows it- and the odds of makin something great happen by September are about on a par with winnin the Lottery..
In the meantime- every slime bucket in the whole damned place is being kicked over and inspected. This will go on until the asshole leaves office…
Wanna know what the rest of the “presidency” will look like? Yer lookin at it.
kathleen @ 217
Balrog @ 204
kathleen @
194
ccmask @ 181
As a mother of a 19 year old son, I am against a draft. I guess that figures, right?
When thousands of kids in Appalachia(and I have talked to lots and their families) join the military to access college and end up taking a detour in Iraq that is just unfair and wrong!
What? Kids sign up for the military and are expected to serve in the military?
Nice.
many sign up because they are desperate and want access to a better life. Many of them put their trust in their leaders, thinking that they will only have to put their lives on the line for this country if it is absolutely necessary. Not sent to another country based on a pack of lies.
For some unknown reason, members of the Bush family never quite make it to the recruiting office.
tejanarusa @ 220
No rational gay connection that I know of (other than some pop psych stuff in the papers about Cho’s possible “homosexual panic”). The WBC has protested soldiers’ funerals with God Hates Fags banners too.
kathleen @ 217
Balrog @ 204
kathleen @
194
ccmask @ 181
As a mother of a 19 year old son, I am against a draft. I guess that figures, right?
When thousands of kids in Appalachia(and I have talked to lots and their families) join the military to access college and end up taking a detour in Iraq that is just unfair and wrong!
What? Kids sign up for the military and are expected to serve in the military?
Nice.
many sign up because they are desperate and want access to a better life. Many of them put their trust in their leaders, thinking that they will only have to put their lives on the line for this country if it is absolutely necessary. Not sent to another country based on a pack of lies.
So Kathleen, you have no problem signing your daughter up for that? I mean, that’s who is in charge.
Originally, my son was going to join the miitary. If Kerry had won, he would have. When Bush got in, we changed palns and he is working his way through college. Again, Bush in in charge and if you are comfortabe sending your daughter, more power to you. It must take a lot of courage to feel that strongly for your country. Me, I lost it.
Badwater @ 222
I’m sure Jenna and Not-Jenna rilly rilly *wanted* to, but they’re not very smart and they couldn’t find it.
vox clamantis in red state @ 197
I really like your “handle” and agree with your various predicates, but the suggestion about a military coup is, to me, farfetched and over the top. I (for one, having been taught that “we are a government of laws, not of men”) would hope that the Constitution could be restored to its rightful place of pre-eminence by means inherent to that document, not by the exercise of naked power.
tejanarusa @ 221 asks:
In Fred Phelps land everything bad that happens in America is because gays are allowed to live. These are the same people who protest and create a ruckus at the funerals of GIs killed in Iraq because WE ALL LOVE GAYS. Don’t try to find any logic or coherence in their actions; there is none.
Sentor Burns spending more $ on attorney fees
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/
S.O.S. from MA @ 227
I really like your “handle” and agree with your various predicates, but the suggestion about a military coup is, to me, farfetched and over the top. I (for one, having been taught that “we are a government of laws, not of men”) would hope that the Constitution could be restored to its rightful place of pre-eminence by means inherent to that document, not by the exercise of naked power.
Not that it matters, but I concur. It’s troubling enough to me to have military commanders sitting as head of CIA/Intelligence community or retired and in charge of State, or WH CoS which we’ve had a couple of times. We do not want to go the route of the military choosing our leaders. Whether resembling ancient Rome or the stereotype of a Latin American dictatorship, it souldnot be good times at all.
kathleen @ 228
Probably just tax-related stuff.
When I was growing up (here in the U.S. of A.), we used to have local Nazis hold rallys in the park, march in parades, etc.
They were a tiny group made up of nerdy weirdos who had collected some vintage WWII German Army surplus uniform pieces, and usually got permits based on their 1st Amendment rights.
The rallys were little more than shouting matches about tepid racial issues, and usually ended with a few tomatoes or eggs being thrown.
Fred Phelps & Company are in contrast, pure unadulterated HATE. I pity them. And I feel for anyone unlucky enough to get within eye or earshot of them.
[recalling now the Patriot Guard motorcycles escorting dead U.S. troops returning from Iraq, to lockout Phelps protestors]
[sigh]
Nice informative post Eli. You rule.
Yo, Pups!! It’s not too late to head off to the groc store for lots and LOTS o’Popcorn for to make GonzoDay more enjoyable…
I always kind of enjoyed HuffPo in the past. But she sure loves her some murderer pics tonight.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com
Aw shucks, ccm.
dreamcatcher @ 220
President Pelosi has grown and given birth to five kids, right? That’s the definition of tough.
After assisting my wife with two homebirths, I’m convinced there’s nothing more brave and painful in the entire human experience. I laugh now when people talk about a guy with “cajones” or “stones.” As a male who’s been through some serious shit, it all pales in comparison to what a woman goes through, emotionally and physically during childbirth, not to mention the newborn stages either.
Nancy Pelosi needs to be our leader. It’s that simple.
OT
Corrupt Senate Republicans who hate the elderly have filibustered a move to let Medicare negotiate with drug companies over prices. Nothing’s too good for BigPharma and big insurance companies, at least if you are Republican. OTOH they see nothing wrong with kicking the old into the gutter. Chalk up another win for Mitch McConnell and his contempt for ordinary Americans.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04…..ref=slogin
Eli @
130
I think it’s everybody, Eli. He gave me a radically negative back in the day, too. In addition to news out of Texas on executions and what-not, there were a couple of occasions where, during some moment where the focus of the event was elsewhere he would mug some really nasty sneer, the kind that would tempt anyone to smack him, into a nearby camera—think one of those times might have been at the RNC2000 convention, with his Poppy sitting right next to him, grinning. It really looked more like an unveiling than anything else. I never thought that was for the press, since he had to know he might be broadcast. And around then was when, and why I started calling him after that mad Roman.
Eli @
174
Perhaps the affirmative action cases would be instructive here.
I agree bonkers. She’s a hell of a role model and I give her a lot of credit for where she is today.
Gunga Djinn @
232
After my father died, my sister and I found an old WWII nazi banner that he’d brought home from Germany packed away in the attic. It went into the trash and is now in a landfill somewhere in KY. We maybe could have got some money but who wants money from something as heinous as that?
Former Reagan advisor said Bush has bankrupted America
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0418.html
Will never forget reading in Ron Suskind’s book “The Price of Loyalty” that the former Secretary of the Treasury Paul O’Neil and Alan Greenspan had plans to take a sizeable chunk of the surplus and roll it over into the upcoming Social Security shortfalls, while feeding the Bush tax cut sharks their chum.
Bush has taken care of that possibility by spending that surplus and more on a ‘war of choice”
Phule @ 123
, I thought it was more in how many times your gavel was banged? /snark
I just had my Brooklyn Dodgers banner framed.
well,well,well, quite the cocktail party Mr. Eli
lots of the richness that is the Lake
so hey smart kids, what the hell is Murtha up to ?
I know he isn’t necessarily advocating a draft – Rangel did this about a year ago, but it’s a bolder move coming from that old Marine
ooh Mrs. Doolittle, I saw that someone had left Nate a note, did he happen to check in today ?
Murtha says Bush needs to implement a draft if he wants to continue the fiasco in Iraq.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0418.html
S.O.S. from MA @ 234
Am already stocked up; cleared my calendar at work. Heeeere we go!!
cbl @ 244
More of a mucktail party, really…
Helen @ 247
I’m going to get my errands done early in the morning so I can spend the rest of the day in schadenfreude nirvana :-)
cbl @ 245
I think Murtha probably means it. He seems to actually appreciate the military and is seriously concerned about the current state. Being somewhat pro-active, he’s looking at what it would take to get it back into shape after this mis-begotten adventure of the clueless commander codpiece.
dakine01 @ 230
Playing devil’s advocate for a sec here… who would be a better set of leaders for the country… Trained Generals, experienced leaders of Armies, or a psychotic, draft-dodging, empty-codpieced, emotionally destroyed warmonger, a corrupt, treasonous oil-sucking refugee from a graveyard with embarrassingly bad aim, their Machiavellian “architect”-enabler, one or all of them in the habit of being serviced by the same “Dominant Top?”
:)
S.O.S. from MA @
234
So Gonzo is still scheduled before Leahy & committee in the morning – sorry for the interrupt but I’ve been deprived of news most of the day…damn work.
I noticed that I had been really shaken by the Columbine killings. There were a number of factors that probably lead to me reacting to them more emotionally.
However, I think that after 9/11 we have seen an awful lot of bombings, terrorist threats and fear mongering, false alarms, elevated color coded alerts, militia slayings, video behadings, Abu Ghraib torture, Guantanimo Bay tales, McCain style shopping extravaganzas…
The VT story just leaves me numb.
-GSD
kathleen @ 246
I’m with dakine01 on this. We do need Universal service, not because of this war but because as the richest nation in the world we need to pay some back and to really understand that our way of life is not free. (Also agree with him on the ‘hey all old and never married people are not necessarily gay’ thing, but that’s a whole other conversation.)
kathleen @ 242
And a Reagan “advisor” has credibility on fiscal issues how exactly?!? (rhetorical, not to kathleen) They were the most fiscally irresponsible adminstration EVER UNTIL NOW. I think this liar is just doing his duty to “The Party” and trying to separate the Bush Admin from Repukelickins in general, in order to save face for future elections.
Make sure everyone you know understands this: Our current woes are caused by Republicans, not just the Bush Administration. Conservatism is rotten to the core. It doesn’t work. It must be thrown out with the rest of the garbage, never to be seen again. Russ Feingold needs to be considered a “centrist.” Let’s make it happen.
Murtha isn’t calling for a draft- he’s sayin that Bush can’t continue the “surge” without one- and he won’t ask for one- so he needs to pull out.
LoudounLib @ 249
707 — that’s a KEEPER!! I love the crosscultural hybridization. Poifect. Extremely high “pith-to-byte ratio.” Yayy on U, LoudounLib.
S.O.S from MA @ 251
Whoa, you scared me for a minute. Maybe a good and intelligent leader would actually LISTEN to those esteemed military minds and know enought to NOT go adventuring in the ME.
For all of his faults, I believe Clinton actually did listen to the generals, contrary to the Chimpenfuhrer, who listens only to the little voices inside his head.
Thanks S.O.S. :-) I dunno, it just kinda came to me!
LoudounLib @ 249
Helen @ 247
S.O.S. from MA @ 234
Yo, Pups!! It’s not too late to head off to the groc store for lots and LOTS o’Popcorn for to make GonzoDay more enjoyable…
Am already stocked up; cleared my calendar at work. Heeeere we go!!
I’m going to get my errands done early in the morning so I can spend the rest of the day in schadenfreude nirvana :-)
The only meeting I could not get out of was a 9:30 one. No big deal – I figure I will only miss the opening statements. And besides, I’m TIVOing it too. Yeah – I have no life.
Where is Kevin Garnett going to be playing next year?
Eli @ 151
I thought about this the other day, and I told my son to be wary for the rest of the school year. Then I remembered OKC was 4/19 ( Ruby Ridge and Waco also) And Columnine is 4/20. so all are kids and anyone who works ina government building needs to keep aware the rest of this week.
Scary stuff.
dakine01 @
257
I’m not giving Clinton a pass for supporting Lieberman in 2006. That bad act illustrates everything that is wrong with the DLC, Rahm Emanuel, etc.
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
dreamcatcher @ 220 says:
Having this image of George, standing on the Senate lawn drunk, calling out Harry Reid…
“C’mon, mano a mano, right now!”
Yes that is exactly what they do.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 262
Agreed. So where can I send you some Good Ol’ Grateful Dead?
Gunga Djinn @ 262
Harry Reid, the ex-boxer.
I wonder if C-SPAN would carry it.
Balrog @ 260
Don’t know about that one, but on the topic of sports – thank heavens for extra innings in the Nats/Phillies game…means I don’t have to watch the news tonight.
dakine01 @ 257
Sorry ’bout that. I saw an opportunity to rag on Dear Leader and his Merry Retinue, and I just thoughtlessly kinda hauled off and went for it. You were “collateral damage” I spoze. I’d do it again in a minute, too. :)
This is OT, but PBS just made up for their Richard Perle documentary mentioned in an earlier post, with a
really excellent documentary on American Muslims, it is a must see
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 263
I’m not giving Clinton a pass for supporting Lieberman in 2006. That bad act illustrates everything that is wrong with the DLC, Rahm Emanuel, etc.
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
I DID say for all of his faults…Was in no way giving him a pass on LIEberman OR the DLC (even though I have a cousin who works for them iirc).
S.O.S. from MA @ 269
Sorry ’bout that. I saw an opportunity to rag on Dear Leader and his Merry Retinue, and I just thoughtlessly went for it. You were “collateral damage” I spoze. I’d do it again in a minute, too. :)
Not to worry. I just had to read the WHOLE thing… :})
Balrog @ 265
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 262
dakine01 @
257
S.O.S from MA @ 251
Whoa, you scared me for a minute. Maybe a good and intelligent leader would actually LISTEN to those esteemed military minds and know enought to NOT go adventuring in the ME.
For all of his faults, I believe Clinton actually did listen to the generals, contrary to the Chimpenfuhrer, who listens only to the little voices inside his head.
I’m not giving Clinton a pass for supporting Lieberman in 2006. That bad act illustrates everything that is wrong with the DLC, Rahm Emanuel, etc.
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
Agreed. So where can I send you some Good Ol’ Grateful Dead?
Do you need an email address? I’m at myfunnyname AT yahoo.com, and furthermore, there’s some guy at youtube…
Phule @
44
tejanarusa @ 42
Georgesimian @ 30
No, that’s not the problem. The fact is that Bush just doesn’t CARE what the people want. He thinks he’s on the proverbial mission from God, that history will vindicate him, that he’s one of those Truman-like figures who will be shown to have courageously persevered in the face of unpopularity.
Which is why we must all ensure his legacy will be one of shame, defeat and stupidity that will be mocked for a thousand years to come.
Not good enough. That’s what we had after Iran-Contra and the vampires came back. We need all the legal action we can muster, including impeachment, so that there is no precedent for anyone to claim and the perps have convictions on their records so they don’t come back if another R regime is elected…ever.
LoudounLib @
268
Watch Sportscenter. A White Sox pitcher had a no-hitter and almost perfect game against the TX Rangers tonight.
Kissinger has been telling Bush for years that patience would wear thin on Iraq and that he couldn’t afford to knuckle under to it or the public would demand total withdrawal.
Clusterfuck bought the advice.
dakine – very cool, thanks!
rwcole @ 274
Because it was exactly what he wanted to hear. It played into his own grandiose personal mythology.
Incredibly inconprehensible how a person like David “axis of evil” Frum can write about the VT crime and how we all try to make “sense out of the senseless”. When Frum perpetrated the genocide taking place in Iraq. Why is that that Frum is unable to connect the dots. Psychopathic tendencies seem to run in the Bush administration.
I was able to ask Frum when he was a guest on C-Span if he would be encouraging his children ( I believe they are both teenagers) to join the military to serve in the war that he pushed so hard for. He said no and then did the lilly white assed chickenhawk jig.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opi…..do1802.xml
Cheney & Bush=The Boob Brothers.
They’re on a mission from Neo-Con God.
-GSD
S.O.S. from MA @ 234
Already got mine, thanks.
kathleen @ 278
The dying is for the others to do, not the children of the architects of the clusterfuck.
-GSD
Gunga Djinn @ 232
You might enjoy this YouTube takedown of Mr Phelps and his happy band of bigots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7iXbWsO4ik
LoudounLib @
277
Unfortunately, I have to pull an Emily Latella, i.e., “nevermind” as the NBA is on. But since my cable just went dead, I have no idea what I’m talking about anymore.
GSD @ 282
Yea, and the “Architect’s” son can’t even pick tomatoes, let alone fight for daddy’s “war.”
I’m now officially freaking out…Jon Stewart just said the War Czar is now being referred to as the EXECUTION MANAGER. I thought, oh yeah, just Stewart snark but NOOOOOO:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..=rss_world
So the RNC says Conyers et al can’t have the RNC emails; they have to go to WH lawyers first. The admin says the emails belong to the WH.
If that’s true, doesn’t that mean they should have been retained along with all WH docs? And turned over to Fitz during Plamegate, too? And if the WH owns them, doesn’t that mean the RNC email system was not really separate from the WH and, therefore, shouldn’t have been used for political activity?
dakine01 @ 284
Haha – I just went and checked, too. SportsCenter should be on long about 1 AM Eastern, so I will catch it tomorrow.
News Grinder @ 285
Their position is indefensible. They broke the law.
LS @ 286
Now that term is in extremely poor taste, even for the Bushies.
Bruce Bartlett ( I believe this is the same Bruce at Raw Story who says that Bush has bankrupted this nation
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0418.html)
calls BLOGGING a good thing over at National Review.
http://article.nationalreview……JlNjkyOWM=
dakine01 @
70
Does this apply to people with cerebral palsy and muscular dystrophy?
Bob in HI
Those emails must be just filled with dirty little gopsecrets. How marvelously embarrasing that would be to find all 5 million of them. Where are the patriotic technicians out there, I wonder?
How to win friends and influence people.
The Bush administration fed Republican senators misleading talking points…
http://consortiumnews.com/2007/041707a.html
ccmask @ 225
When thousands of kids in Appalachia(and I have talked to lots and their families) join the military to access college and end up taking a detour in Iraq that is just unfair and wrong!
What? Kids sign up for the military and are expected to serve in the military?
Nice.
many sign up because they are desperate and want access to a better life. Many of them put their trust in their leaders, thinking that they will only have to put their lives on the line for this country if it is absolutely necessary. Not sent to another country based on a pack of lies.
So Kathleen, you have no problem signing your daughter up for that? I mean, that’s who is in charge.
Originally, my son was going to join the miitary. If Kerry had won, he would have. When Bush got in, we changed palns and he is working his way through college. Again, Bush in in charge and if you are comfortabe sending your daughter, more power to you. It must take a lot of courage to feel that strongly for your country. Me, I lost it.
Hell yes I have a problem! But I still believe in the draft.
Under the “no damned excuses” plan, who decides who gets to do community service and who has to go to war?
EXECUTION MANAGER!!! Google it.
ccmask @ 293
Or you could go with what you’ve got already:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/15/114515/619
*Saint McCain fingerprints all over this one.
OT-
sorry, but I just have to share:
local news just reported on a bill in the Texas Lege (h/t Molly Ivins for the term):
Dir;vorce prevention: Any couple filing for divorce would be required to take a ten-hour “reconciliation course” aimed at keeping the marriage together — if they don’t take it, they might have to stay married.
Oh, and the course would cost $450 apiece – each spouse, apparently.
Good god, I hardly know where to begin with this. Hopefully, it won’t pass, but it is a Rethug dominated lege, and they do love to throw around their “family values” creds.
LoudounLib @ 288
Truth is, in this case as in so many others in Bush’s Aremica, stranger than fiction. You just can’t make this stuff up.
Bob Schact @ 292 asks:
It would be trouble but I would have to say yes. IANAD (unlike the SCROTUS), but would imagine accomodations can be made for sedentary work that could accomodate most debilitating illnesses.
Brian Williams interviewing Bush, from Froomkin:
Williams: “You have all too much experience in dealing with grieving families going back to 9/11 and this nation’s two wars. How is this different?”
Bush: “I think what makes this different is that a parent or a loved one thought their child was, you know, learning to enrich their lives, and the next thing they’re dead and it’s just the shock and the suddenness and the location that makes this a very traumatic experience. Virginia Tech is a viable, strong community and it’s gonna require this viable, strong community to help people recover.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00879.html
To Russia with Hate…Justin Raimando has been spot on since before the illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=10834
News Grinder @ 296
You know, every single rule has exceptions. But that does not mean you throw out the rule. Unlike what happened in Vietnam – transparency would take care of this. The power of the internet, us, is a never before seen phenomenon.
ccmask @ 300
It’s okay if your kid gets killed in Iraq, ‘cuz, y’know, you pretty much expect it.
LoudounLib @
290
Well, the job must be given to Alberto Gonzales, because that is what he did for Bush in Texas, 150 times.
-GSD
tejanarusa @ 299
When I divorced in Ohio many years ago, my ex and I were required to go to counseling for multiple visits — something that I think only those with kids had to do. The counseling was provided by the city, county or state, I forget which.
News Grinder @ 287
Just this one FACT alone that they freely ADMIT to should be enough for impeachment proceedings!!! There are people in jail right now in the state I live in for very, very minor versions of this sort of practice.
Jeezus, what the hell is wrong with the press!?!? This fact should be pointed out as a lead story in the media everyday. And while we’re at it, how can Rove be on taxpayer payrolls, with complete security clearances, and freely admitting that it’s his job to deliver Repukelickin wins during elections?!?
HELLO?!? McFly! This is all extremely illegal. Why is there no national debate about this?!? (I know…Conglomerate Media serves one purpose…to keep the masses in their place…)
News Grinder @ 296
Look, I am not a legslator or politician. There are obviously problems that would have to be worked out. But having a voluntary military component and someone above suggested it be weighted so that the military option would pay better/better benefits, SHOULD be workable.
Late Nite is upstairs
Eli @ 305
Exactly. One minute they sign up and 10 days later they are shipped out.
This older gent (holocaust survivor) is one of the real hero’s of the VT tragedy.
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iow…..essor.html
Helen @ 304
My question, which was sincere, still stands. I’m wanting to understand how this thing would work.
dakine – this just in…Nats win! Nats win! 13 innings.
ccmask – my son is 19 too, been working on a asthma deferment for him for years- it’s time to start thinking that way again – those that voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004 should send their kids, not mine.
2 Virginia tech tragedies a day in Baghdad. “Hundreds killed on Baghdad’s day of bombs and blood
http://news.independent.co.uk/…..461429.ece
News Grinder @ 307
We’re epu’d probably – Texas does have a shorter-length counseling requirement for couples w/ kids – it’s focused on how to handle the divorce and post-divorce without hurting the kids. And if there’s a fee (can’t remember), it’s small. This is expensive – many people go on to new relationships and new kids outside of marriage just because they can’t afford the divorce filing fees, let alone a lawyer. Now they’re putting yet another financial burden on them. Amazing.
News Grinder @ 313 asks:
Have no idea on all the details, as I say. But we need something approaching a Universal Service that does not allow deferments for college, marriage, children, NG and all the other excuses that have been used by the people like Commander Codpiece, Danny-boy Quayle, Darth Cheney, clinton, and even myself.
I did not want to serve in Viet Nam and manipulated the system to avoid it although I eventually enlisted in the Air Force. I admit I played the system. Most of the others I named refuse to admit. Another differnece, I was against the war and did all I could to make it end. I am not in favor of the current war and it needs to stop. How better to make sure our leaders DON’T send our young people off to die for nothing but the voices in their heads than by making sure that THEIR children HAVE to perform some level of service.
LoudounLib @
314
Unfortuantely, my Reds lost damn it. :}(
dakine01- YGM
persiflage @ 283:
oh, that’s bust-a-gut! thanks.
re: EXECUTION MANAGER
As in electric chair/lethal injection/firing squad execution manager?
Or as in “Ah am the Commander in Chief Executatorial Decider…whatever you call it”?
tejanarusa @ 317
News Grinder @ 307
tejanarusa @ 299
OT-
sorry, but I just have to share:
local news just reported on a bill in the Texas Lege (h/t Molly Ivins for the term):
Dir;vorce prevention: Any couple filing for divorce would be required to take a ten-hour “reconciliation course” aimed at keeping the marriage together — if they don’t take it, they might have to stay married.
Oh, and the course would cost $450 apiece – each spouse, apparently.
Good god, I hardly know where to begin with this. Hopefully, it won’t pass, but it is a Rethug dominated lege, and they do love to throw around their “family values” creds.
When I divorced in Ohio many years ago, my ex and I were required to go to counseling for multiple visits — something that I think only those with kids had to do. The counseling was provided by the city, county or state, I forget which.
We’re epu’d probably – Texas does have a shorter-length counseling requirement for couples w/ kids – it’s focused on how to handle the divorce and post-divorce without hurting the kids. And if there’s a fee (can’t remember), it’s small. This is expensive – many people go on to new relationships and new kids outside of marriage just because they can’t afford the divorce filing fees, let alone a lawyer. Now they’re putting yet another financial burden on them. Amazing.
If only couples were required to do a certain amount of counseling sessions before folks could be married. I really think this would cut the divorce rate.
Later Lakers. Be well.
Jonathan at 65:
But to me, the real remedy would be the firing of everyone from Regent who’s been hired over the last couple of years, the firing and debarment from federal service of everyone involved in the violation, and the hiring of the rejected but clearly qualified applicants.
__________
Interesting option, but I suspect that might leave the “firer” open to a Title VII suit on discriminatory practices based on religion.
Whereas there are no protected rights in employment with regard to political affilia-tion, as far as I know. INAL but I used to do Title VII investigations for a Human Relations Commission in Texas
OOps one more from David Corn. David is always insightful. He ask whether you can name the EPA director. I could not. (before this insane war I always knew who the EPA director was, not now,)
See if you can answer before David lets you know in his piece. http://www.davidcorn.com/
Recalling now, Bush got some heat for the label “War Czar”, on the basis that it invoked images of Soviet style government.
That must have drawn the WH brain trust into action, which yielded “EXECUTION MANAGER”.
really *is* mind boggling.
2strange @ 315
That’s right!
The Supreme Court justices lie to America and outlaw many abortions.
The war goes on in Iraq inspite of there being no legal justification.
The DoJ refuses to turn over documents subpoenaed by Congress.
A student goes psycho and kills 30 VT students and professors.
So, Republicans, things going the way you planned? You’re okay with this?
Don’t forget, YOUR Vice President SHOT a man in the face and wasn’t raked over the coals by the media the way you treated Prez Clinton.
Bastards!
dakine01 @ 301
It would be trouble but I would have to say yes. IANAD (unlike the SCROTUS), but would imagine accomodations can be made for sedentary work that could accomodate most debilitating illnesses.
Many people with substantial physical and mental disabilities participate actively in the work force.
Sadly, others have disabilities so profound as to render such participation impossible.
Oh Brave New Sparta!
For a simple piece of rhetoric, millions of people would suffer.
Hey dakine01 – here’s an idea.
How about asking the question of whether your personal experience of ambivalence regarding your own history of foregoing military service is indeed a logical basis of public policy?
How many of my patients have to suffer while you work out your personal demons?
Why should any rational public policy spring from one person’s emotional response to their own life history?
Helen @ 304
Shall we post all citizens’ medical records on the web in our Brave New Sparta?
Shall we only post those records of those granted disability waivers?
O Brave New Sparta!
Shall we have “internet commissions” to assess if the medical records really justify the exclusion?
Shall we haul our patients before webcams so your precious transparency can see if they can really walk – or are just faking it?
Shall we physicians dump our patients out of their wheelchairs so our brave new citizen masters can decide if they crawl convincingly?
And when the 101 fighting keyboard review squad decides to ignore the medical assessments, will you be there to help drag the disabled off to your splendid policy?
As a physician, this cavalier attempt to ignore biology in favor of advocacy of a SLOGAN
is exactly what I see the Rethugs do now at EPA, FDA, USDA, CDC, F&WS….
Meet the new boss.
Same as the old boss.
No thanks.
Come back with a policy, not an ideology.
Human beings are too precious to be sacrificed on another fucking slogan.
Those who advocate inhumane (and wholly unworkable) grand policies ignorant of human biology already have a party and a whole political economy.
The party is Rethughlican; the political economy is called corporate capitalism.
I thought the goal of progressives was to offer an alternative, not to dress up the Rethugs’ worst mistakes in our own slogans and flog the same people the Rethugs have been kicking around.
ccmask @ 327
EXACTLY! Where the fuck are Jenna and not Jenna? Party on girls while your father continues to send young men and women to their death. I don’t know how these rotten bastards sleep at night.
I would like to know how the managers at DOJ are able to determine who is on the interview list in the first place. I know that sounds odd but if you actually work for the Federal government you know the job announcement process and selection of the qualified panel (the people who get interviewed) is not normally controlled by the managers seeking to fill a spot. The evaluation of applicants is suppose to be impartial and is performed buy the agency’s personnel office.
The main similarity between Vietnam and Iraq: no one from the Bush family is willing to serve.