
Lady Justice from Wright State University web page
All the attention is now focused on Alberto Gonzales' upcoming appearance before Congress and whether the Attorney General can satisfactorily answer questions about his role in the forced resignations of eight US Attorneys. In his released statements he tells us, "I have nothing to hide and . . . I am committed to assuring the Congress and the American public that nothing improper occurred here." According to this WaPo article, it's as though Gonzales remaining as the nation's chief law enforcement officer depends on whether he can credibly explain contradictions between his own statements, or between his statements and those of his Chief of Staff or other former DoJ officials interviewed by the Judiciary Committee.
Judging from Dick Cheney's statement on Face the Nation — that Gonzales is the one who needs to explain himself — the White House seems content to focus attention on Gonzales' credibility. But the contradictory statements, while interesting and important, miss the much deeper scandal involving Cheney and Bush, and the more fundamental legal problem the country now faces from their collective behavior.
The disheartening and horrifying reality is that the United States does not have a functioning, credible Department of Justice that the American people can trust to ensure the laws are faithfully executed. Think about that. And we are missing a Department of Justice at precisely the moment in our history when we face probably the most corrupt and lawless Administration we have ever had. Faced with a stunning degree of corruption throughout the Adminstration, we need an honest, effective and completely trustworthy Justice Department, zealously but fairly investigating every facet of this corruption, ferreting out the lawbreakers and bringing them to justice.
We need our Justice Department back, both to prosecute those involved in this lawlessness and to send a strong signal that the corruption must end. But is there any knowledgeable observer, outside the 30 percenters, who honestly believes our current Attorney General and the political/religious cronies that surround him can be trusted with the task? Indeed, are we not faced with the national nightmare in which we suspect an extremely politicized Department, led by a man who can't seem to grasp that he is no longer the President's counsel, is at least an enabler, if not an outright party to the corruption?
If ever there was a case that cried out for a special/independent investigation and prosecutor, this is it. Why aren't the MSM pundits demanding it? Is the integrity of the Justice Department not important enough? Is the Attorney General's conflict of interest not obvious enough?
For six years, the Bush/Cheney regime has been a breeding ground for corruption, and not merely the type where people make/receive bribes in exchange for favorable government treatment, as in the Abramoff, Ney and Cunningham cases. We've also seen the equally insidious efforts to systematically undermine the programs and mandates of government across the board. Regulatory agencies with responsiblities for protecting public health, worker safety, public resources, the environment, the right to organize, the ability to obtain honest, effective government services or to be protected from abusive treatment by either government or the private sector have all seen their mandates and programs undermined. And their politically appointed legal counsel, reinforced by the anti-government political appointees at the Justice Department, have been used to justify these efforts. Instead of enforcing the law, the Justice Department under Rove's influence and Gonzales' "leadership" has too often become a weapon against the law and the people it was intended to protect, as the recent study on voter fraud revealed.
In the last two days, Christy and emptywheel at The Next Hurrah (and probably others) highlighted this interview in the Legal Times in which Daniel Metcalfe, the former director of the DoJ's Office of Information and Privacy, and a 30 year DoJ veteran, explained how pervasive the corruption of the Department of Justice has become under Alberto Gonzales and the Bush/Cheney/Rove regime. It's worth repeating the main points:
Since the day he arrived at the Department of Justice in February 2005, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has "shattered" the department's tradition of independence and politicized its operation more than any other attorney general in more than 30 years.
So says Daniel Metcalfe, a senior attorney at the department who retired in January, before the current controversy over the firing of U.S. Attorneys erupted. He views the episode as an "awful embarrassment" that has only worsened already-low morale at the department, especially among career attorneys. . . .
Q: You began in the Justice Department during the Watergate years. How would you rank Alberto Gonzales in terms of politicization of the department in comparison to the other AGs you have worked for?
A: Actually, I began earlier, in the first Nixon administration, as a college intern in 1971. But I was there again in the Watergate era, when I worked in part of the Attorney General's Office during my first year of law school in 1973-1974, and then continuously as a trial attorney and office director for nearly 30 years. That adds up to more than a dozen attorneys general, including Ed Meese as well as John Mitchell, and I used to think that they had politicized the department more than anyone could or should. But nothing compares to the past two years under Alberto Gonzales.
To be sure, he continued a trend of career/noncareer separation that began under John Ashcroft, yet even Ashcroft brought in political aides who in large measure were experienced in government functioning. Ashcroft's Justice Department appointees, with few exceptions, were not the type of people who caused you to wonder what they were doing there. They might not have been firm believers in the importance of government, but generally speaking, there was a very respectable level of competence (in some instances even exceptionally so) and a relatively strong dedication to quality government, as far as I could see.
Under Gonzales, though, almost immediately from the time of his arrival in February 2005, this changed quite noticeably. First, there was extraordinary turnover in the political ranks, including the majority of even Justice's highest-level appointees. It was reminiscent of the turnover from the second Reagan administration to the first Bush administration in 1989, only more so. Second, the atmosphere was palpably different, in ways both large and small. One need not have had to be terribly sophisticated to notice that when Deputy Attorney General Jim Comey left the department in August 2005 his departure was quite abrupt, and that his large farewell party was attended by neither Gonzales nor (as best as could be seen) anyone else on the AG's personal staff.
Third, and most significantly for present purposes, there was an almost immediate influx of young political aides beginning in the first half of 2005 (e.g., counsels to the AG, associate deputy attorneys general, deputy associate attorneys general, and deputy assistant attorneys general) whose inexperience in the processes of government was surpassed only by their evident disdain for it.
Having seen this firsthand in a range of different situations for nearly two years before I retired, I found it not at all surprising that the recent U.S. Attorney problems arose in the first place and then were so badly mishandled once they did.
I encourage everyone to read this interview. As Firedoglake's lhp noted in the comments yesterday, this is exactly the kind of courageous whistleblowing we have been expecting from honest, dedictated career public servants who are disgusted at what Gonzales has done to the DoJ. And it puts tomorrow's appearance by Alberto Gonzales in perspective. Many of you have already read the advance copy of Gonzales' prepared opening statement or at least the shorter version in his Sunday WaPo op-ed. We already know that his self-serving testimony does not begin to answer the questions put to him by the Committee.
But well beyond Gonzales' non-answers regarding his role in the US Attorney firings, we know that his testimony does not come close to responding to the more fundamental objections to his tenure. Why should the nation accept as its chief law enforcement officer a man who allowed and facilitated the political corruption of the Department of Justice? Why should the country accept a man who believes it's legally permissible for the US government to kidnap people, render them to foreign countries knowing they're likely to be tortured, or hold them indefinitely without trial (and torture them), and deny them the most fundamental of all rights — habeas corpus. Why tolerate a man who claims he's upholding the laws of the US by denying any of this happened, while asking our courts to shut down investigations on bogus state secret grounds, or manipulating indictments just to avoid judicial review? And let's not forget how quick Gonzales was to join in the political smearing of attorneys who represented Guantanamo detainees. Why have so many of his protege's been forced to resign, while so many decent, honorable attorneys resigned in disgust? These are not the attributes of a man who respects the rule of law or understands the obligations of an officer of the court. It is insulting that a man with such an abysmal, anti-law record would ask to remain our Attorney General.
We are starting to see more and more comparisons to Watergate and Nixon, and the parallels with that era's Attorneys General are also apt. We had the infamous John Mitchell, who went to jail, but we also had men who resigned rather than carry out WH orders that appeared to obstruct justice. Where would Alberto Gonzales fall on that scale? I think we know.
Josh Marshall and Christy noted the Albuquerque Journal report suggesting that Gonzales may have initially opposed the forced resignation of David Iglesias, but he relented when he was overruled at the White House, either by Rove or the President himself, though Josh notes the WH previously denied any direction. [edited per ew] If Gonzales was directed, or at least bowed to pressure he knew was there, then he had his Watergate/Saturday-Night Massacre moment, but instead of emerging as a principled hero for refusing to fire a capable prosecutor, he revealed himself to be a weak and toady Bork.
When the Attorney General, whose job is to shield the administration of justice from political interference, buckles that easily, and sticks around to help implement the further politicization of the rule of law, it's a clear sign that he does not have the integrity and strength to be the nation's Attorney General, and nothing he could possibly say at Tuesday's hearing can change that. It's time for Gonzales to resign. And his successor should be a person of absolute independence and integrity and given the mandate to clean house and restore the Department of Justice.
UPDATE: Firedoglake's lhp finds (comment 40) another article of a career DoJ attorney who explains the corruption that occurred in the Civil Rights Division.
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what if, it was Bush who ordered the firings?? would we know?
“For six years, the Bush/Cheney regime has been a breeding ground for corruption, and not merely the type where people make/receive brides in exchange for favorable government treatment, as in the Abramoff, Ney and Cunningham cases.”
Brides? LOL… I hadn’t noticed they were into slavery now… Seriously though, great piece, very compelling. It will take years to root out the garbage and stench that have settled into Washington, and DOJ is the best place to get busy.
Zed!
Oh well, I’m off to get coffe and read the post. Looks like a substantial one, I’ll be able to skip breakfast.
Maybe one of these for Gonzales too:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot…..go-il.html
best freewaysign ever.
scarlet p. @
5
That is hilarious. I have uttered that exact same quote for so many years.
Good morning, Scarecrow.
In response to blueheron, isn’t it a legal requirement that ONLY the President can make the decision to fire a U.S. Attorney? Help us out here, Scarecrow.
Another brilliant post. Keep ‘em coming.
And who would name this “special prosecuter? Abu Gonzales? Bush? Those who are knee deep in the scandal.
g’ morning!
Justice for Justice!
coffee anyone?
jwc @
2
Jeez, that’s a good one. What part of the brain did that come from? Thanks, I fixed it.
(Pls pardon OT… EPU’d)
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Feeling adventuresome? Interested in who else is in the FDL community, and where they are? Maybe get in touch with them via anonymous message?
Hope to see you on our unofficial FirePup map.
I’m ready for war crimes trials against the lawyers. Abu sits at the top of that list. Yoo follows close behind.
The only appropriate place for Gonzo is Gitmo.
Where there is no rule of law, there is no country.
Bumper sticker seen in Columbus OH:
Give Bush an inch and he thinks he’s a ruler.
OK, the clock is ticking. I think it is too late to impeach Bush and remove him from office.
BUT — we should NOT forget all his crimes after he leaves office. That happens all too often. “Out of sight, out of mind.”
Put him in prison. Cheney, too. Who cares if they are out of office?
Regular people don’t get a pass …..
I once saw a TV show (real life) where they got a man (through DNA) in the late 90s — who murdered 2 people in the early 60s — who cares if he was in his 70s now? He even said, “You are ranting on THAT old news?”
Do it!
Well said, Scarecrow. I would add, what happened to all those investigations that were started in the Repug congress that just went nowhere? Where is the FBI in all of this?
And what about the staggering part of Gonzo’s opening statement tomorrow that talks about the DOJ protecting us against terrorism? This from the department that has yet to try one criminal terrorist since 9/11, and, in fact, has tried to treat terrorist as something other than criminals and using military tribunals instead. There were plenty of perfectly good laws in place that could have been used to prosecute these “terrorists”, but Gonzo and Bush and Cheney thought it would be better to torture them and strip away their rights. The DOJ was clearly doing more to protect the Repug majority than protect the American people.
egregious @
7
We’ve been kinda mushy about this, haven’t we? The President has the authority, but I assume it can be delegated to the AG. I read Gonzales’ various statements as saying he made the decisions, which the WH — and therefore the President, presumably — knew he was going to make (because there was continuous consultation between the DoJ and WH), and he made the decision on the basis of judgments and analysis his deputies made without much involvement from him. “I’m responsible, but it’s not my fault.” It’s always the deputies who did the deed.
Good morning. Getting my buttered popcorn ready for tomorrow. I have a question. We know that both repug and dem staff/senators have been questioning DOJ officials. We also know that in the past Bushie DOJ officials have supplied questions/talking points to Jeff Sessions and other R’s. Is it allowed for an R sentator/staffer to share with Gonzo info about what other DOJ officials have testified? If it is not allowed, is it still likely that senators/staff could give Gonzo and his handlers a heads up, so they can keep their stories straight?
And good morning, everyone. We will not talk about how awful the weather is, or how blustery, cold, wet, nasty, windy and unpleasant is it, nor will we mention the 30,000 runners standing around in this mess waiting for the Boston Marathon to begin.
Instead, we will talk about warm cozy places, hot chocolate, and friends.
Good morning, Jane.
Mae @ 17
Interesting questions, and you might want to raise them again when Christy comes along in a hour or so. Gonzales has said he didn’t ask for any info on those interviews — so everyone is treating this like a trial, in which witnesses don’t hear what other witnesses say. But Sessions et al are very likely to ask leading questions that will show Gonzales how to respond .
Scarecrow @ 9
Well, you said it was a breeding ground…
Back on the table.
How many states will push the envelope?
Prelude to Hague…
10 states so far (thru 4/7/07)
FMI
Hotflash — so I did. Whoops. Don’t show this to Pach.
Scarecrow @
19
Schumer said he was sharing details from those interviews with Gonzales to avoid a “gotcha” moment . . . or two, or more.
I would imagine Gonzo gets up every day, looks himself in the mirror and says, “I’m screwed”.
pro choice lib @
8
We got Fitz because the DoJ still had a James Comey. There may not be another, and that’s part of the “national nightmare.” But I hope the Congressional investigations will create enough of a political uproar to demand something — hence my concern about the focus being too narrow.
Scarecrow @ 16
OK, yes it is a Presidential appointment, but in fact none of them were “fired” they were asked to resign, but everyone sees through that at this stage. I agree that we are at a Saturday night massacre stage with this, only Gonzales caved. But my question is: what if it was Rove who said this guy needs to be added to your list cause we received a call from the Senator? Now that surely stinks, but is that just politics as usual, or is that unhealthy delegation, or interference or something else?? Have not had coffee, head not clear, just reading the Albuq. news report set me off. If Gonz. said, I won’t do it unless the President tells me to, and then a couple of weeks later, someone from the WH tells him to, what kind of considered decision making is that??
Pat @ 22
But, but , but… I thought we *wanted* gotcha moments?
Pat @ 23 Do you really think that Schumer wants to avoid all gotcha moments? If he keeps sharing everything, can’t Gonzo continue to spin the story and hide his real culpability?
Well articulated.
I posted this over at Next Hurrah, but it fits this discussion here too:
“Pleasure of the President” is a red herring.
If the Republicans think it is proper to hold Bush accountable if he exceeds his authority, I think that is a good frame of reference for evaluating illegal non-FISA wiretaps, and the use of torture.
The USA issue is not USE of power, but ABUSE of power.
The main topics on abuse are:
A. Use of DOJ to affect elections:
1. Georgia Thompson case
2. Dominici, Wilson calls to Inglesias
In this category, I would also put giving a Karl Rove opposition researcher, Griffin, subpoena power in Arkansas. We haven’t seen evidence of him abusing that position—yet—but the potential for him to abuse DOJ authority on behalf of Team Bush against Hillary is obvious.
B. Use of DOJ to help political contributors
1. Tobacco case
2. Foggo/Cunningham/Lewis
3. Maybe—probably—Abramoff related cases as well.
C. Weakening the DOJ through the appointment of “loyal Bushies” whose loyalty is to Bush or the Republicans first, and to the rule of law second. This undermines the DOJ mission and culture, by making clear that getting ahead (or avoiding punishment) means going along with the Bushie agenda.
The Michigan voluntary demotions may be a case in point.
Scarecrow!!
Has any reporter or blogger asked Janet Reno to comment on these goings-on?
blueheron — I fear that scenario, because it limits the scope of the investigation about what’s going on in the DoJ. I think the WH wants this matter to be about Gonzales’ competence in answering questions, not about what he’s done to the DoJ at their urging. If Gonzales has to resign, they want it to be because he’s seen as not too bright, and for that to end the matter.
Scarecrow notes: “The disheartening and horrifying reality is that the United States does not have a functioning, credible Department of Justice that the American people can trust to ensure the laws are faithfully executed. Think about that. And we are missing a Department of Justice at precisely the moment in our history when we face probably the most corrupt and lawless Administration we have ever had.”
Which the Bush/Cheney crime family finds very convenient.
I believe it is the case that being ‘asked to resign’ is legally firing. In this country (Canada) it is called constructive dismissal The ‘asked to resign’ was to keep it quiet, not to make it legal. But surely some of the lqwyer types have run into this? Surely this sit’n has come up before between 1776 and now? How’d it shake out?
Lovely post, Scarecrow. I have been wondering about every case I hear about now that I know Justice is broken. Didn’t the Microsoft anti-trust suit get dropped when Bush came in in 2000?
Is Gonzo really going to read all 22 pages of that crap he calls an opening statement? Can’t someone cut him off after the first part?
jayackroyd @ 30
707
GeorgeSimian @ 35
In ‘good faith’……of course!
Lou Costello @ 36
Uh, that was a distant cousin. We never talk about him.
OldCoastie @ 24
He probably smiles and says “I’m a crony!”.
A 30 year vetran of the DOJ Civil Rights Division, Willia, Yeomans has his own whistleblower article in Legal Affairs magazine. I cannot find a link (you need a subscription and I don’t have one) but here is an excerpt.
If anyone can find a link, please post it becaus eit really is pretty explosive stuff.
Thanks for the post Scarecrow. It is pretty scary not having a Dept. of Justice. If all the players in the Bush Administration hate our government so bad, why don’t they leave the country? History will not look kindly on these guys and it will take many years to figure the whole thing out.
Great post, Scarecrow. The MSM continues to portray this fiasco as something between a Democratic witch hunt and a “mishandled affair”. They are completely missing the greater point that you so poignantly raise.
Gonzo appears to be framing the “blithering idiot” defense: I didn’t know and can’t recall but I know that it wasn’t improper. Leahy needs to ask him the direct question as to whether he and Bush discussed Iglesias and set the perjury trap. I hope the senators have their prosecuter hats on and ask pointed questions with excellent followup. They are not particular good questioners but they better have their A game going tomorrow.
New drinking game: a shot for every time Gonzo says “I don’t recall” or some close variant.
I wonder if Gonzo is going to pull a Wolfowitz and refuse to resign.
Even when everybody is booing you. (wapoo link)
I still say someone should just start laughing at Gonzalez while he spins his lies. He was taught by the masters – Rove-Sputin and his Boy Emperor.
Krugman has noticed this morning that, in essence, the whole country is laughing at this idiot – Bush – when he opens his mouth and pretends to tell the truth. The most amazing part is that he actually believes, not what he says, but he ACTUALLY BELIEVES PEOPLE BELIEVE HE IS TELLING THE TRUTH. What denial.
If he ever read a newspaper, he would read this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04…..amp;emc=th
in the NYTimes this morning and know that the whole country is laughing at his lies. This article is a succinct, and sad tale about a political witch hunt in Wisconsin where a woman lost her house and went to jail so Rove, the Boy Emperor and their minion – US Attorney Biskupic could skewer the Dem governor and set the stage for a Repugnican victory there in 2008 – Preserve the Power of the GOP – like Nixon… BUT WORSE!
Kevster @ 42
Just the idea of drinking that much is making me ill.
Mae @
17
The agreement with DOJ stipulated that there would be a DOJ representative in every interview between the Judiciary committees and the DOJ employees. So someone in DOJ knows what has been said. However, Gonzales alleges in his statement (and newspaper reports have said) that he hasn’t had access to what the other DOJ employees have said.
Scarecrow:
One detail. The WH quote in the McClatchy article isn’t new–they’re just pointing back to what Bush said previously, when he was traveling in Mexico with Gonzales, getting his story straight.
Good Morning Scarecrow and Firedogs,
Georgesimian -
dengre at Kos
dengre’s diary
This committee is now chaired by Byron Dorgan – you may recall the efforts to actively slime him with Abramoff cash in the run up to last november . . .
I am calling/faxing the committee this morning:
http://indian.senate.gov/public/
you can also contact Senator Dorgan’s office:
http://dorgan.senate.gov/contact/
oh, and these good folks wrote to Alice Fisher/DOJ a few weeks back, asking the same – wonder if they’re aware of this pile ‘o docs
Democracy 21
We all can see how precarious the Supreme Court is. (One death or retirement away from fascism.)
But most of us were/are totally ignorant of the lesser courts — and how important they are.
Questions for Gonzales:
1) Who ordered the insertion of language into the Patriot Act re-authorization that allowed you to replace USA’s without Senate approval.
2) Why was this insertion kept secret?
3) Why was the person who inserted the language rewarded with a position as an USA?
4) When did the president ask you to replace some or all USA’s?
5) What did the president give you for criteria for selection of USA’s to fire.
6) Who else had input into this process and what criteria did they add?
7) What did the president give you for criteria for selection of replacements for the USA’s.
8) Who else had input to this process and what criteria did they add?
9) Who, besides the president, was involved in formulating and approving these lists?
10) Where are the approval documents?
11) When did the president approve the firings?
12) Where is the president’s approval document?
13) Why do you continue to act as the president’s council, instead of the Attorney General of the people of the United States?
14) How have you advised current USA’s to deal with the implications that they have become the prosecutorial arm of the Republican Party?
15) How many current and past cases have been put in jeopardy because of the appearance of political interference in the investigation or prosecution?
etc…
looseheadprop @
40
link
lhp at 5:59, thanks.
Mae @
28
Mae
I think the timing of Schumer’s Battle revelations are important. He waited until just after Gonzales released his statement to share Battle’s comments with the press. Sure, taht gives Gonzales one day to figure out how to dig out of this new hole. But it didn’t give Gonzales warning enough to avoid the hole. And I suspect, given the way and things Schumer has said in the past, he will have more surprises in store on Tuesday.
For example, at the very least, I think he will make sure the name of every prosecutor they considered firing will be entered into the record.
Scarecrow @
38
707^2
Lou Costello @ 37
Good camera theatre is required here. The panel should just start shaking their heads in disbelief with an occasional snicker as he spins his tale…
A simple question would be: Do you know Sen. Domenici? Have you ever spoken with him?
Then, start laughing when he begins with “I don’t recall..”
The key to tomorrow’s questioning is to not let Bush and Rove use him as a “High Value Target” to take the head and leave them off the hook.
lhp at 40 — thanks much for the article. I put a link to your comment in the post.
I know it seemed like a really long quote, but before the copyright fearies get after me, it was significanlty less than half the article.
It’s areally long article, but boit does it name names.
This is tha lsat quote I’m gonna pull out of it b/c the wonderful Twolf1 has put up a link. Thank You!
But I LOVED the line “It’s like working for Claigula!” 707
The “he must adequately explain his actions” line from Cheney and others sure sounds to me like an attempt to set it up so that Gonzales resigns and that’s the end of the matter. We’re going to have to work hard to make sure that doesn’t happen.
I’ve been surprised that I’ve not seen (yet) any commentary on this key paragraph from Abu’s testimony:
Now, I don’t know where Abu pulled this particular quip of Dellinger’s from (though I do note his attempted cleverness in using the words of a Clinton appointee to try to bolster his case). But the frame that Abu has put around the quote is really wicked.
The key word in that paragraph is the an that I’ve emphasized. Gonzales is trying to pull a really sleazy logical/rhetorical trick here. Surely we can all agree that the action described by Dellinger — direct interference in a specific investigation — would be “improper,” but Gonzales is trying to get us to stop there, to believe that Dellinger’s definition is the only kind of action that would be “improper.”
If we were to fall for this trick of Gonzales’s, then we’d have to accept his (barely) plausible denials that anything “improper” had taken place in the Pearl Harbor Day Massacre. But since there is a universe of other “improper reasons” out there to choose from, his denials are empty.
As I read it, Gonzales’s whole statement relies on this “an”/“the” trick. I hope the first Senator to question him calls him on it.
(Actually, in my imagination, it’s Specter who calls him on it. For some reason, Specter’s sanctimony perfectly fits the level of outrage this trick should evoke.)
Scarecrow @ 55
Thanks. I love the detail and annecdotes in it.
I believe that there will be an avalanche of these over the next 6 weeks (please please) I am aware of of several that are in process and hope/ex[pect that there are lots more that I am not specifically aware of–yet
1,487 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen scarecrow and the Firepup Patriots:
This old, non-lawyer has a question: with regard to who would investigate the firings of the US Attorneys (and any other possible criminal activities) can the Congress not pass a bill creating a special prosecutor with an enabling cover like the letter Comey gave Fitz? It seems that a particular special prosecutor bill could be written as narrow or wide as politically possible or necessary to get the evidence, begin the unraveling and referral of all the other criminal activity and get these bastards to court.
Please take the time to answer…I think we’re headed in the direction of a potentially fatal Constitutional stalemate here if our legislators can’t find a vehicle to penetrate the Siegfried Line that the fascists are using the Constitution to create.
KEEP THE FAITH AND YOUR WITS ABOUT YOU…THESE BASTARDS WILL TRY ANYTHING!!
ew @ 52 Thanks, as always for your insight. Probably my real question, behind my other questions, is: Do you think that there will be real fireworks tomorrow? I’m trying not to get my hopes up, but I am ever hopeful that instead of non-responses we might get a few real answers.
The argument being used over and over again by WH, DOJ and the once Repug Congress, is.. there was a crime committed, and we are investigating and we will get to the bottom of it.
But the WH never investigated the Plame leak – at all. They’re admitting that most of the WH mixed their campain and government email accounts, regularly. The idea that they should be left to investigate themselves is ludicrous. Same with the DOJ. It’s mindboggling that this is even suggested by Gonzo.
Darn – I just checked C-Span, and saw that they are broadcasting the hearing tomorrow on C-Span3! I have to go to teach tomorrow, and was planning on video-taping. Any chance they would change to 1 or 2?
looseheadprop @ 59
I hope you’re right. We need more of these, and more that show the scope of the problem. The discrepancies between Sampson and Gonzales don’t convey that.
twolf1 — thanks for finding the link. I added it to the post.
The Times throws a bit more fuel to the fire.
Adam Cohen has an editorial about US Attorney Biskupik who wrongfully convicted a Michigan state employee, possibly to influence the 2006 MI campaign for governor. The case was reversed on appeal (the judge said the evidence was “beyond thin”). The intriguing aspect to this story (which Cohen does not mention) is that there was an insider report that Biskupik was originally slated for dismissal, but after prosecuting Mrs. Thompson, he managed to keep his job. (Mr. Biskupic denies any political motivation.)
He kept his job.
It appears that the Times at least, among the MSM, is not swallowing the official WH line about innocent mistakes being made in the firings.
BTW, one of the first prescient people to ask about the attorneys who managed to keep their jobs was Paul Krugman.
Something wrong with the logic here. If one were to set up a lawless U.S. govt, one would START with DOJ.
GeorgeSimian @
35
No, generally you submit a long written report, then deliver a shorter 5 minute oral statement. I suspect his statement will sounds a lot like the WaPo editorial from yesterday.
emptywheel — ah — I see your point about the WH denial. I’d just read Josh early questions about why the WH had not responded yet, and mistook his link for a recent denial. Thanks.
NorskeFlamethrower @ 60
Congress can pass a resolution authorizing the appointment of a PSecial Prosecutor–that’s what they did in Watergate. I do not know, if Congress can choose the identity of that prosecutor or whether some other entity, such as a pnel of judges, might select the individual. To give you a more definative answer, would take way more research than I have time for this week–However, John Dean probabaly knows the answer off the top of his head, if anybody has a pipeline to him.
Something else to consider which folks here seem to be forgetting, Congress can set up an Ad Hoc Committee to do the investigations of wrongdoing and to do the investigations pahese of the case. This lays out the predicate not only for hiring a Spec. Pros., but for enacting new laws.
For example during the Nixon Administration, Nixon used secret warrentless domestic wiretaps to spy on political enemies,and when he got caught cited his powers as Commander in Chied as the authority for doing that.
The Chruch Commission, investigated this illegal wiretapping and, in addition to doing some damn fine criminal investiagtions, also made a series of recommendations that led to the creation of FISA and the FISA courts.
I am really slammed at work this week, but when I come up for air (hopefull by Friday) I think I might do a little history lesson on the Church Committee.
History might want to repeat itself?
dreamcatcher @ 65
OMFG, my first reaction is OMFG, Show Trial !!! :(
wow! — amazing post, scarecrow,
and great new source, here lhp!
thanks! the wsj has a story this
morning on the wider, deeper, corruption:
how abrahamoff runs through everything.
check it out.
eCAHNomics @ 66
You would think so, but it doesn’t seem to have been done that way. Ashcroft, for all his other faults, does seem to have generally believed in the rule of law. It seems more that they realized they needed a completely corrupt DoJ only after the Abramoff and Plame investigations started to be successful, and perhaps until then they had thought they could just make Unilateral Executive royal proclamations to make all their troubles go away.
dreamcatcher — yep, Krugman was asking the right question early on.
Norske — I don’t know how/whether this can happen — but see lhp comment at 69]. I’m hoping the hearings can create enough pressure on whoever is left at DoJ to do this. So far, there’s an internal investigation, but it’s not enough. And Gonzales should go no matter what — for all the reasons I cited, and lhp’s and ew’s etc.
eCAHNomics @ 66
It’s like that famous line from Shakespear “First let’s kill all the lawyers”.
It’s usally quoted out of context as alwyer bashing joke; but, in context, it stands for the proposition that if you want to illegally seize power first you have to kill all the lawyers since they are the guardians of the restraints on power.
That’s what law is in its essence.
Law = restraint on naked power
Mae @ 61
Oh, I’d be very surprised if it didn’t look liek July 4 tomorrow. Even Specter is taking a more aggressive stance toward Gonzales (though, as always, he’ll be sure to find some way to back down in the end). And there are people like Grassley who got cut off in the Sampson hearing who will be sure to have their say now, with more coverage. Most importantly, though, Schumer seems utterly willing to err on the more adventuresome side of comity on this issue, and given how he dumped some doozies at the end of the Sampson hearing (and went on the record with teh Battle quotes), I’m sure he’s prepared some real fireworks.
Gonzo tomorrow: “As I recall…” “My recollection of that is…” “I recall that…” “Yes, and I misspoke when I said that, but it wasn’t my intention to mislead.” “As I recall…” etc. etc.
Just so you know? It’s possible mr. barbara may sue FDL for alienation of affection. First place I go every morning. Last place at night. Yeeks.
Here is barbara the naive’s question of the day. In all the email brouhaha, and references to this or that phone call, I keep wondering when/whether phone calls amongst/between the principals will be brought into the mix. Can they be documented? Surely the Bush wiretapping makes that possible.
Be kind!
Scarecrow @ 68
It was not meant to be a criticism of you. I jsut wanted to maintain the distinction bc I think it’s significant that the WH has not issued a new specific denial to the Domenici allegations.
Sorry,
That’s Church Committe, in my #69 at 6:24
here’s the wsj link.
Oh, crikey. Cell phones. Duh. I think I just answered my own question. Or did I?
emptywheel @ 78
No problem; I appreciate the heads up, cause I misread his point. And you are allowed one criticism per week. Fortunately for me, you’ve used yours and it’s only Monday. I’m home free!
scarecrow, your posts are always a pleasure…allow me to add
there is no question there has been obstuction of justice, decisions won for the government yet deliberately given back, investigations diverted, criminals ignored and innocent people prosecuted for the sake of winning an election
that needs to be made clear as well
and what about the people put into public servent jobs who are intirely inept and unqualified from pat robinsons school of make up your own law?
they will be with the justice department for 30 years
it is mind boggling the damage this administration has brought to our government…they did it on purpose, they destory us from within
it’s been said America can never be defeated form abroad, it we fail it will come from witin
failure is at America’s door, the pnac has succesfully completed a coup…prehaps we cdan overturn their victory…we are late to the race
barbara @ 77
Depends on the system the phone calls were made from and who the carrier is. Typically you acan get “muds” (message unit details from the phone company within a a month of whenthe call is made. Depending on the carrier, you can get “luds” long distance details” sometimes for a longer period after the call is made.
Also, some corporate systems themselves archive the usage details. these details proved the smae kond of info that you would get froma penn register: date of call, originating numner, terminating number and duration of call.
VOIP I have been told (but don’t have any direct experience with this yet) gives additional info about how the call was routed (don’t know why we would care about that in this context).
The BEST though, are cell phone calls because the message details are often included on the bills, and the bills are archived by the cellphone comepany for years. I love, love, love investigating people who are heavily cellphone dependan
Just recently essentially MADE a case (folks violating a court order not to contact my client’s customers)off cellphone bills.
barbara @ 77
While it’s probably technically possible, I doubt it will happen, any more than using the NSA to recover the “missing” emails. Even if the administration is abusing surveillance, if I were a Democrat in Congress, I wouldn’t want to give any justification to the idea that broad surveillance is a necessary thing for law enforcement. There is copious information out there to convict them, otherwise they wouldn’t be fighting so hard to hang onto the documents they haven’t “voluntarily” dumped yet.
(Also, an “executive privilege” court battle would be a piece of cake compared to obtaining information from intelligence agencies for a non-intelligence-related congressional investigation.)
looseheadprop @
74
No disrespect intended… But,
…ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Everyone of these power mongers learned their dark art either from, or by being, lawyers!
Lawyers I know are in complete denial about what people think of them: Lying con artists who would fleece their own grandmother for a buck.
Maybe some people watch too many movies based on what they learned in civics class.
Lawyers, as a class are the new robber barons.
If you’d like further reason to mourn our democracy, read this.
NEW YORK A new survey of 1,502 adults released Sunday by Pew Research Center for the People & the Press found that despite the mass appeal of the Internet and cable news since a previous poll in 1989, Americans’ knowledge of national affairs has slipped a little. For example, only 69% know that Dick Cheney is vice president, while 74% could identify Dan Quayle in that post in 1989.
Other details are equally eye-opening. Pew judged the levels of knowledgability (correct answers) among those surveyed and found that those who scored the highest were regular watchers of Comedy Central’s The Daily Show and Colbert Report. They tied with regular readers of major newspapers in the top spot — with 54% of them getting 2 out of 3 questions correct. Watchers of the Lehrer News Hour on PBS followed just behind.
Virtually bringing up the rear were regular watchers of Fox News. Only 1 in 3 could answer 2 out of 3 questions correctly. Fox topped only network morning show viewers.
Told that Shia was one group of Muslims struggling in Iraq, only 32% could name “Sunni” as the other key group.
The percentage of those who knew their state’s governor dropped to 2 in 3. Almost half know that Rep. Nancy Pelosi is Speaker of the House and 2 in 3 know that Condi Rice is secretary of state. But just 29% can identify Scooter Libby, 21% know Robert Gates and 15% can name Sen. Harry Reid.
But nearly 9 in 10 knew about President Bush’s troop escalation in Iraq.
Men scored higher than women, and older Americans did better than younger, on average. Democrats and Republicans were about equally represented in the most knowledgeable group but there were more Republicans in the least aware group.
http://www.editorandpublisher……1003571876
And, I REALLY must get some work done today.
Fire-Dog-Crack is becoming a problem. :)
IANAL, but in general, it may be very difficult to find clear cut cases of crimes being committed by individuals in the DOJ re the firings. What seems to be getting clearer and clearer by the day is that there was a coordinated effort to establish a politically driven climate in which the DOJ would be used as, for all practical purposes, a branch of the Republican National Committee.
Therefore, while it may be hard to find isolated cases of criminal action, IMHO, the totality of all the facts to be revealed may establish a sound case for impeachment for one or more senior members of the administration. What is more, this climate was being cultivated at the highest levels of the WH, including the president’s chief political advisor, Karl Rove. To what extent it touches the president remains to be seen, but there was a report that the firing of Iglesias was approved by the Bush after receiving a call from Sen. Domenici. And while US attorneys serve at the pleasure of the president, for the president to bend to pressure from politicians is questionable to say the least.
There is however the possibility that in their zeal to cover up their actions, felonious or otherwise, certain individuals may be caught in acts that constitute obstruction of justice. This is the proverbial case of the cover up being worse than the crime.
Remember that causes for impeachment may not have to include felonies. They should however include “crimes and misdeameanors” that two-thirds of the members of the House consider impeachable. In other words, even lacking identifiable felonies impeachment is possible if the House feels that the political health of the nation is better served by impeaching one or members of the government.
And yes, this ambiguity about what is impeachable behavior can be abused, as we have seen.
Scarecrow @
32
I agree. They are trying to compartmentalize all this around Gonzales. He is their protective cyst. I think they are setting him up to go. Then…
Bush appoints former Ct atorney general and current senator Joe Lieberman to be AG, giving “bipartisan” cover and instantly (at least to the MSM) defusing the “politicizing DOJ” aspect of the scandal. Plus, as a bonus, the R gov of CT appoints an R senator to replace Lieberman, bringing them one step closer to taking back the Senate.
Puesto
I am not in denial about what the public thinks about lawyers. I am painfully aware.
I also know that knowledge of the law is a powerful tools that can used as it was intended, or misused for ill.
Believe me I GET that. It’s interesting that you use the term “dark arts”, it makes me think of Harry Potter. Who do you think will be able to defend you and the rest of the public fron those “dark arts” if not honorable, honest lawyers with integrity?
You may not wish to believe it, it may be more fun for you to issue a bigotted comment slamming an entire group of people without bothering to consider the differeneces inherent in the individuals in that group, but there are soe very good, very altruistic lawyers out there
And right now, they are all that stand between you and a police state.
Puesto @ 86
wow…so far from my experience and everyone I know, it’s hard to begin
of all the lawyers I have dealt or have known, of all the people I know, of every single portion of my life, lawyers are FAR more ethical the just about every profession
I have heard a rare unethical story but not one in my personal life
if not for lawyers THAT would bring back the robber baron economics you claim lawyers espouse
without lawyers your car would blow up when you turned the key, your kid would die in a simple car accident, your air would be filled with crap, and every business would do whatever they wanted to increase their profit margin
you would go to jail if a law enforcer didn’t like the color of your skin, and the list goes on ad infinitum what lawyers mean to the health and welfare of society
needless to say, I disagree with your entire post
Urban Pirate @ 88
Me, too. Anyone here remember georgewbush.org forums? I miss them, but they were crack too.
Seriously, I think the only way to make a “point” with these reptiles in the White House would be to have the manacles and leg irons lying on Gonzo’s table to be used at the appropriate “we’ve had enough” moment.
Since that’s not likely to happen, I’d suggest turning up the heat (literally), pile on a few more kliegs, keep him flushed and sweating and remove all doubt that his playing the fool is just a ruse.
Red herrings were mentioned earlier. I’d be suspicious of any “leak” from the Publican side, especially those that seem likely to be true. Bush ordered Gonzo to pull the cord on Iglesias? Just ask Dan Rather how that might play out.
Anyway, I’m wishing Leahey and the boys all the best in tomorrow’s big game (although secretly hoping for a bench-clearing brawl).
Puesto — Given the unquestioned integrity of the many lawyers who comment and post here, I find your blanket condemnation completely uncalled for.
Fresh thread, up and running for everyone. Morning gang!
Urban Pirate
boy do I hear ya! Just trying to confine myself to the threads instead of going hog wild writing posts is almost killing me.
I think I’m going to have to plan a detox vacation sometinme this summer where I just don’t read any news or go on the internet for a month.
Haven’t read all the comments yet, but in response to the post- one problem is that we need a good half dozen independent prosecutors- one for the Abramoff case, one to finsh up what Lam was doing in the Appns Committee, one to investigate RNC email malfeasance, one on Interior/ big oil malfeasance, one only focused on DOD contracting, and one investigaing inappropriate DOJ political influence. Maybe we can get James Comey appointed to an independent 3 year commission of some sort with a half dozen former USAs (and PF) and $15 million sum certain and get the ball rolling on efficient (and semi-limited; no witchhunt) investigations. Starr so toally ruined the independent prosecutor tradition that care must be used.
Christy has a new thread to continue the story.
I thought robber barons were the new robber barons.
looseheadprop @ 91
Nothing personal here, believe me. I have a brother who is a lawyer in the bay area. And, he is an ethical one. He agrees with the gist of my comment, however, and from first hand experience.
Usually, a good lawyer is needed to protect you from a bad one… but nothing ever happens to the bad ones except they accrete more money and power.
My comments were intended to reflect what most people who have had experiences with lawyers think afterward.. in general. There are always exceptions to the trends.
If good lawyers were really serious about their perception and image problem, they would do something about it. However – nothing personal intended – they make money while protecting you from the bad ones. Sort of like the insurance business – in essence, they are selling you protection.
Enjoyed the discourse. Peace.
The reason that I spend so much time here is because of the insight provided by all the lawyers. Thank you.
Jesterfox @ 49
I’ve got one question for AGAG: “Can we see your diploma?”
That and what’s about the Texas JUVENILE SEX SCANDAL?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_9_GGmdiZM
looseheadprop @ 91
Hypothesis: lawyers are analogous to technology–available to do great good or great harm?
Great post Scarecrow! It will be this scandal and the deleted emails that will bring this WH down. But not without a lot of followup by Congress and bloggers screaming! Can’t wait for Gonzo’s testimony tomorrow.
Yes, that Fire-Dog-Crack is addictive…
Did everyone see Gwen Iffil’s smackdown of Russert and Brooks yesterday on MTP — a must see — Think Progress
“i am committed to assuring the congress and the american people….”
this one’s a poster child for lawyerly dissembling.
My attitude towards lawyers was much closer to Puesto’s when I first came to FDL. looseheadprop, Mary4, Christy, scarecrow (who doesn’t practice) and many, many other terrific attorneys here at FDL have helped “moderate” my previous position.
Lou Costello @ 103
man, these questions need to be highlighted and sent to sir waxman and sir leahy
On Lawyers -
It is an extreme broad brush, and quite inaccurate to imply that lawyers are the bastion of protecting us from power when most of the people in government who achieve power are lawyers.
So, while my comment may have been an overly broad brush “stroke” it was meant to reflect perceptions of ordinary people and to deflect an overly broad brushed posit – “Lawyers protect us from naked power” when most naked power is held by lawyers.
Puesto at 108 — You know, as someone who spent her career trying to be a decent, upstanding human being and an ethical lawyer — and who also knew a whole lot of lawyers who were the same — I have to say that I find the attempted justification for painting the entire profession with a tainted brush to be less than convincing. Your brother may be an attorney, but you don’t say what aspect of the profession he specializes in. Because if he does civil work in the plaintiffs/defense vein, his perspective on what “the law” is will be substantially different from what “the law” might be for someone who does criminal work. Or appellate work. Or guardian ad litem work for kids in abuse and neglect cases. Or any number of other aspects. There is no ONE version of “the law.” And just because your experience has told you that there are a few unscrupulous weasels, that doesn’t mean that everyone who practices law is one. And I’d suggest you spend more time with folks who have scruples before you continue trying to tar us all with the same overly broad brush.
One bombshell tomorrow…that’s all we need.
- One Gonzo gwb43.com e-mail to/from Rove and/or Miers…
- One Domenici e-mail saying he’s pushing the prosecution of the Dems in NM with the President in order to ‘take the heat off’ Heather Wilson in the Foley Scandal…
- If he answers the series of questions beginning with ‘Was Fitz on the list?’ he’ll almost certainly stumble into a minefield…
- If he says that he spoke to the President regarding the firng of the USA’s, he’ll likely bring Bush down…
- For each USA he attempts to justify the firing of, he better have a complete, contemporaneous DoJ work-up showing the basis for the recommendation…
- If he explains the ‘Fed Soc’ qualifier for replacements, he’s all but admitting the process was Politically influenced…
- If he answers any questions about the rationale behind replacing the USA with Rove’s protege, he’ll either look like a lackey or a total incompetent…
There are SO MANY things that could go wrong tomorrow for BushCo – including the possibility of the chop that brings down the Bush Statue.
Will Gonzo really testify tomorrow? or is he better off resigning today?
I can hear Dick and Karl, in drunken revelry, acting chorus to Shrub as he promises a golden land of opportunity after assuming the throne:
“The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers.”
Derision and opportunity, wrapped in sophistry and sycophancy. Who says life doesn’t imitate art?
Quoting Puesto
So, I go back to my Harry Potter and the “defense against the DArk Arts” analogy.
WHoo will protect us from the “dark” lawyers with naked power, if not the decent, eethical lawyers?
Who will prtect us from the Sith, if not the Jedi?
Same powers, different uses. You need good lawyers to protect you against naked power, whetehr that power isd weided by bad lawyers, bu out of control generals as in a bannana republic, or by clerics gone wild.
blueheron @
1
Funny you should mention that:
(Milk Through Nose)
Sure. Bush has a well known pattern of appointing people like that. Yeah, someone who will do for the DOJ what, say, John Negroponte did for Guatemala…
One thing I have never understood is why everyone denies responsibility for firing the US Attorneys. Doesn’t someone have to actually fire them? Did they just get poofed into fairy dust by an invisible hand?
Who is supposed to fire them when they need firing?
perris @
92
The idea that lawyers of Shakespeare’s time or before, or of Dickens’ time, were representatives of the people is anachronistic.
The quote from Henry VI, Part 2, about killing all the lawyers was derisory; it’s found amidst an exchange of drunken quips, and sarcastically describes an imaginary nirvana for ordinary people. It was also an accurate description of how to derail opponents of a revolution, by killing those who knew who was rightfully king and how to run government. (But it would still have been run in the interest of the king, not the “people”.)
I think the point is that lawyers today are the most zealous defenders of civil rights and those most skilled at destroying them. Those most informed about workers’ rights and those most skilled at circumventing them without liability. Those most skilled at tax law compliance, and those most egregiously willing to sell a Fortune 100 CFO a black bag of tax planning (”avoidance”) ideas so lucrative the CFO had to pay a million just to hear about them. (Not an exaggeration.)
For every Darrow, there’s at least one Bryan, and nobody has to guess who makes more money. Nor is it black and white. Before freeing the slaves, Lincoln represented the most powerful corporations of the pre-Gilded Age: the railroad barons.
Like the priest who must choose whether to help his flock or seek the bishop’s mitre, the choice between cooperative good and personal ambition is made every day. We think Alberto Gonzales made the wrong choice. We’ll never change his patrons’ opinion that he made the smart one. But we can show the public which choice he made.
perris @
92
The idea that lawyers of Shakespeare’s time or before, or of Dickens’, were representatives of the people is anachronistic.
The quote from Henry VI, Part 2, about killing all the lawyers, is derisory, made in a drunken exchange of quips about an illusory nirvana for ordinary people. It was also an accurate description of how to derail opponents of a revolution, by doing away with those who knew who should rightfully be king and how to run his government. But they would have been advocates of the king, not the people.
I think the point is that lawyers today are both those most skilled in defending civil rights and those most able to destroy them; those most knowledgeable about workers’ rights and those most able to crush them; those most skilled at tax compliance and those most egregiously willing to sell a Fortune 100 CFO a black bag filled with tax planning (”avoidance”) ideas so lucrative the CFO must pay a million up front to learn what they were. (NOT an exaggeration.)
For every Clarence Darrow there’s at least one William Jennings Bryan. Nor is it black and white. Before Lincoln proclaimed slaves free, he represented the most powerful corporations in his America: the railroad barons.
Like a priest who must choose whether to protect his flock or pursue his bishop’s mitre, we must choose public good or personal ambition every day. We think Mr. Gonzales made the wrong choice; his patrons think he made the smart one. We’ll never convince them otherwise, but we can make public what choices he and they made.
Apologies for the double post. Machine seemed to have eaten the first one.
rxbusa @ 116
This one’s easy. It’s supposed to be the President, the whole President and nothing but the President.
cleter @
90
I don’t agree. First off they need someone who really knows the law. I don’t think Joey qualifies in the brains department. Scummy? yes. Brains? No.
Second, Do you think for a moment Joey is going to give up a cushy 6 year job that requires NO work on his part for a tumultuous bumpy 18 month ride to hell? About as much as the proverbial snowball in that place.
Josiah Bartlett @
120
So how come he denies it, too?
rxbusa @ 122
They say that sometimes the truth hurts.
blueheron @
1
And would that finish the whole thing? In other words, since these people all serve at the whim of the King/Preznit, if he steps up and says that he personally TOLD Gonzales to do it (after Cheney and Rove ‘decided’ who to fire and told him) won’t it be another ‘non-criminal’ lie like all the other ‘non-criminal’ lies (WMD’s, Plame, Katrina…) This non-criminal lie hasn’t even killed anybody.
For the record, I firmly believe because of the fact that the Preznit and his minions LIED LIED LIED LIED LIED LIED LIED LIED LIED LIED LIED about the ‘evidence’ of mass destruction (that fed into THEIR preordained WAR LUST) that they should all be impeached. ALL THE STUFF THAT’S HAPPENED SINCE THEIR BIG HUGE ENOURMOUS WMD LIE HAS BEEN TRIVIAL IN COMPARISON.
Enjoy.
i really think the attacks here on commenter “puesto” are something of a mob effort, a genteel mob effort to be sure.
nothing the guy has said is all that insulting or inaccurate.
he has an opinion.
he stated it, not too rudely.
so what?
methinks the lawyer crowd here protests too much over too little.
like commenter morris sheppard some days back,
the lawyer commenters here might do well to acknowledge some of the devious, unfair, corrupt, and illegal activities some lawyers engage in.
of course lawyers are mostly decent people and mostly decent professionals.
who says they are not?
but puesto is talking about power, not propriety.
as puesto says (more or less),
lawyers do hold a lot of power
and they do abuse it,
routinely and repeatedly.
is this true of all lawyers?
of course not.
is it true of enough lawyers to make a citizen like puesto or myself raise the issue of abuse of lawyerly power?
it certainly is.
heuristic:
let’s take the names of the lawyers who write at this site
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etc.
now
let’s make a list of the names of lawyers in the bush administration who have behaved in ways not normally deemed in the public interest (or pick your own criteria).
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etc, etc.
in our society (some)lawyers abuse the power of the law they hold.
the good lawyers here can engage in an orgy of congratulatory self-defense and feel real good at having done so,
but criticism of lawyers who abuse their power from lawyer posters and commenters at this cite would, i think,
have been more in keeping with the spirit of firedoglake.
Good morning fellow firedogs,
I was trying to read all the comments before commenting but I’m going to jump right in…
we face probably the most corrupt and lawless Administration we have ever had.
This needs to be shouting from the mountaintops in MSM…but alas, is anybody listening? I know I’m preaching to the choir. But jeez, even my old hero, Bob Woodward, is muttering cautious talking points now instead of aggressively pursuing the story.
On a more encouraging note meant for y’all: I, a regular citizen who is just starting to wake up from an apathetic coma set in during Watergate years, have contacted my Senator (Feinstein) twice (!) to keep up the good fight to restore checks and balances to our government. It must be a daunting task having so many ########### skittering away from the sunlight. Where to start fumigating in the worse criminal infestation ever?
I really do not identify with any political party but I do love our constitution! Maybe there should be a new Firedog party.
Soldier on!
Puesto @ 44
This article is STUNNING. Thank you, Puesto. This is well worth reading.
Impeach Gonzales.
first.
http://www.workingforchange.co…..ode=RSS101
He is committed to assuring us of that, regardless of what reality is!
I mean how does that even qualify as clever?
He’s just promising us that he will deliver assurances!
He’s promising that he will make us feel assured!
He’s promising to be the very best propagandist he knows how to be, and he seems to think that making this promise helps his case.
And then the framing of the issue as a question of whether what happened was “proper” or not… as if the alternative that we the American people are concerned about is that something that happened was at worst “improper.” Actually, I was more concerned about illegal and impeachable… would you assure me that none of THAT took place too?
Here’s what he’s really saying:
Unf**kingbelieveable.
Did you know that Gov. Richardson is an Abu Al supporter and thinks he was just a little “sloppy”? http://www.mydd.com/bb#4019 It occurred in the comments section and was an exchange between he and Tavis Smiley.
And while we’re at it, we need our CIA and our NSA back, and most of all our Constitution. But then, we’re the “little people,” and the boy king uses us when he needs a good laugh. Well, there is something we can do about it, and Mr. Waxman is slowly and methodically explaining that to these slime who have taken over the Executive.
And maybe we don’t need the Department of Homeland Security, because the only terrorists are in the white house, and we can deal with them. All it takes is one couragous woman in the speaker’s chair….oh, I’m sorry, she’s sitting there already. Maybe we need to move her up to the Oval Office!