
I opened the dead-tree edition of the StarTribune one fine sunny day recently and went, as is my wont, to the comics section to get a good laugh before heading on to the rest of the paper.
Now, the Strib, during the editorial reign of the non-lamented Anders Gyllenhaal, he who was brought in by McClatchy and then rather conveniently bailed for the masthead of another McClatchy paper right before the Strib was sold off to pay for the horrendous debt McClatchy incurred when it swallowed the Knight-Ridder empire, was oh-so-obsessed with 'balance'. Rather, it was oh-so-obsessed with running to do the bidding of whichever right-wing yobbo with a microphone was hollering at them at the time. Gyllenhaal, among other things, hired longtime archconservative D.J. "Doug" Tice to oversee the paper's political coverage, hired the supremely nutty Katherine Kersten to do commentary, and started polluting the Strib's editorial pages with wacked-out syndicated columns by the likes of Debra J. Saunders and Jonah Goldberg, while cutting back on (if not doing away entirely with) columns by sane people such as Molly Ivins and Paul Krugman. (The Strib used to carry every single Krugman column; now we're lucky if we get to see one of his columns a month.)
But one of the most egregious moves made during the Gyllenhaal Era was the addition of noted DWI collector and right-wing bullshit artist Bruce "Mallard Fillmore" Tinsley to the comics section.
For those of you lucky enough not to have encountered Mr. Tinsley's work, a good synopsis of it was done by Chris Kelly for Huffington Post last year. As Kelly notes, Tinsley has this weird do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do obsession with Ted Kennedy and drunken driving. I swear to God, it seems like one out of every ten strips has a Teddy Kennedy reference in it somewhere. He also likes putting hooked noses on all Jewish people he draws — even when, as with Jon Stewart, they really don't have marked hooked noses in real life. It's as if he wants to make sure that his target audience knows that this is a Jewish guy he's drawing.
Tinsley wouldn't be a wingnut if he didn't rail against making rich people pay taxes, and true to form, he's been having a running battle with the non-wingnuts in his readership that keep sending him pesky unwanted facts, such as how supply-side "let's raise tax revenues by cutting rich people's taxes" economics is total steaming bullshit. Last Saturday, he borrowed a page out of Fred Thompson's and the Club for Growth's Big Book of Bullshit and laid this atrocity down in front of his readers: "JFK, Reagan and this president [Bush] all increased tax revenue by cutting tax rates!"
Ahem.
One of the problems with debunking shameless right-wing bullshit is that it nearly invariably takes more energy (and verbiage) to debunk than it did to create, because there are still more bullshit transmitters with big megaphones than there are bullshit debunkers with even medium-sized megaphones. Just today, The Politico (which is essentially "Matt Drudge rules our world" in Latin) ran a silly piece on how much a recent haircut cost John Edwards ($500! Release the hounds!) — and of course conservative meme transmitter Drudge had it headlined on his site with nanoseconds. (Neither Drudge nor the folks associated with The Politico paid anywhere near as much attention to Laura Bush's $700 haircuts back in January of 2005. Ah, well.)
In the case of the recent pronouncement of Tinsley's, it's hard to know where to begin. The only reason I'm bothering with it is because it and Fred Thompson's idiotic column in a recent edition of the Wall Street Journal (hat tip to Barbara O'Brien of the Mahablog) look to be the vanguard of a renewed attempt to push this particular bullshit meme so hard and so often it becomes accepted as fact by the lazy.
Let's take on the JFK part of the atrocity first. Yes, JFK advocated cutting taxes. But those of regular Americans, not of rich people. The idea was to do a classic Keynesian "priming the pump": put money in the pockets of the people most likely to spend it (that is, you and me), and the economy gets a nice little boost that sets it in motion — a boost that was needed to shake the nation out of the recession that had plagued Eisenhower's last term in office. So why didn't Kennedy cut the taxes of rich people as well? Because the trouble with cutting the taxes of rich people is that instead of spending the money they get, they tend to hang onto it for dear life — and when they do spend it, it's to move their factories overseas. This is Basic Economics 101.
As for Reagan: Yeah, he cut taxes in 1981 – and then raised them every year thereafter, aside from 1988, once the deficit started spiraling out of control due to (you guessed it) a drop in tax revenues. As Barbara O'Brien of the Mahablog notes, Reagan raised taxes in 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986 and 1987. (His favorite euphemism for tax increases: "Revenue enhancement".)
As for the claim that Bush's tax cuts for the rich boosted revenue: The Center for Budget and Policy Priorities has pretty much stomped that bit of bullshit into the dirt. Click here and here for the details. Jonathan Chait of The New Republic not only debunks the bullshit, he rubs the conservatives' noses in it with a quote from conservative economist (and former Bush White House economist) Alan D. Viard: "Federal revenue is lower today than it would have been without the tax cuts. There's really no dispute among economists about that."
The utter bullshit that is part and parcel of Bush and the Republican Party is making itself felt and smelt in ways that even the mainstream press can no longer ignore. Remember the "abstinence-based" sex ed scam, where tens of millions of our tax dollars got diverted to religious-right hucksters and snake-oil salesmen as quid pro quo for their helping deliver the Fundie vote to Bush? Remember how it was going to lower teen pregnancies and all that? A new study shows what we knew all along: It was bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
Then there's the Bush Junta's efforts to take down Sandy Berger — efforts that even the hard-right editorial page of the Wall Street Journal condemned. The Bushies have never forgiven Berger and Richard Clarke for trying to warn them about Al-Qaeda, and it seems that with George Tenet's new book out soon — as well as the new revelations that the French had been telling Bush's CIA people since January of 2001 to expect an attack using hijacked commercial jets — the Bush Junta and their righty minions are doing all they can to fling bullshit on all the people who had tried to warn them about Al-Qaeda (as George "Thee System Was Blinking Red" Tenet had tried) or curb their idiotic jones to invade Iraq (as George Tenet had also tried).
And of course there is the utter bullshit that is the Bush Junta and PNAC Platoon's slow rape-murder of Iraq — and of the US media's complicity in promoting the Bush Junta's bullshit, even though many if not most of them knew it was bullshit. Bill Moyers has a new documentary set to air on PBS this Wednesday, April 25 that mercilessly explores the way our media sold us a bill of goods — and led to the pillaging and slow, grinding destruction of Iraq. You can watch a preview of it here.
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Share the disdain for the strip. Go, Doonsebury!
Zed!
JANE and RED and PW et al
and a fitz and lehey to you too.
hey, PW, you smokin’
On the topic of bull shit…
Frederick Kagan, Kristol, Cheney, Ledeen… are all masters of lighting bags of dog shit on the front porch of the nation and then ringing the door bell.
They are certainly not sending their children
or relatives to Iraq. Lilly white assed chickenhawks. OOPs! I do believe Ledeen’s daughter served in Iraq not as a soldier but with the CPA. It turns out Simone Ledeen did not even have to interview or have a background check for her job in Iraq.
Read about Simone’s job in Iraq
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..May22.html
http://armsandinfluence.typepa…..ce_th.html
Here is another article by warmonger elite Kagan. Hey Kagan you are not to old to serve! Put on your uniform and quit sending Americas children to die in Iraq. And if you and your buds (should not exclude Liv Wurmser) have your way the next stop will be Iran
http://www.weeklystandard.com/…..1akepk.asp
OOps here is the pooper scooper on Kagan
http://www.weeklystandard.com/…..1akepk.asp
Perhaps now we understand why the French were so systematically marginalized during the IraqWar runup — they had warned BushCo about 9/11, and in pretty specific terms, having infiltrated the organization successfully.
There will be a reckoning, someday, for “Okay, you’ve covered your ass, now go back to Washington” and the PDB that was ignored even though it was titled “Bin Laden Determined to Attack in US.”
Damn! The War on Bullshit is such a straightforward title, and your examples are great. I hope I can watch Moyers on Wednesday. But now I gotta go set up for two concerts, so no time to war on bullshit for me. Carry on PW and pups!
Actually, The War on Bullshit could be a great alternative title for Firedoglake…
And the title reminds me of an early morning conversation with my son about a year ago. i’m blogging away at the laptop keyboard. As he grabbed his lunch and books on the way to school, he smiled wryly, asking “Saving the world again, Dad?” I replied with “No, just helping fight the war on bullshit, Alex.”
Glenn did a good take down on Politico today as he uplifted the stellar writing of Charlie Savage and his well deserved Pulitzer. He contrasted Charlie’s work with the haircut story.
No contest.
PW, your post reads as if it’s YOU who’s got DNA similarity to T.Rex, and not Trex. You Go! :)
Is The Boston Globe still owned by the same folks who own the NYT? I get the Globe online and have been wondering if that is where all the good reporting went when the NYT did the Bushco suckup.
PW! Greatly appreciate your work!! Thank You!!!!
EPU’D
phoenix woman-
were you the peeps person?????????
my best friend’s daughter found this
http://www.lordofthepeeps.com/
is lord of the rings done with bunny peeps……….pay attention to the little iddy biddy sets they created……….save for a rainy day.
been gone for over a week out of town, missed my firedog pups…….hi all………gonzalez-toast, with orange/lemon marmalade.
wolfowitz-roasted with cheddar on top.
one by one they are falling.
and added-i can’t wait for tenet’s book, whatever is in it, and the things not in it………
Gnome de Plume @ 11
Yes, for the time being.
Katie Couric’s expanded CBS News program is relying on eager campus security contractor representatives, talking somberly about the services their companies offer, in a rather unseemly way.
Gnome de Plume @
11
Short answer: Yes to all the above.
Umm, on JFK’s tax cuts. Not quite true. Kennedy asked for and got from Congress a drop in the top rate from its WWII levels of 91% to 70%. That was done in early 1963, I believe.
It didn’t exactly break the progressive tax system, unlike Reagan’s plan (which dropped the top rate on the wealthy from 70% to 28% over six years, thus enabling the wealthy to then complain that their principal source of income, capital gains, were being taxed at a higher rate than their regular income).
PBS’s “America at a Crossroads” series airs from 9 p.m. to 11 p.m. every night from April 15-20, with “The Case for War: In Defense of Freedom” airing at 10 p.m. on Tuesday, April 17.
Richard Perle THe Case for War PBS
TeddySanFran @ 6
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner, folks. No matter what the Bush regime accuses someone of doing, it’s projection.
CYA as a way of life.
………welcome home dmac……
I did the unthinkable tonight – I turned off the TeeVee in the middle of KO. I have no desire to watch this massacre being hashed out and replayed over and over. Sorry Keith.
TeddySanFran @ 7
They are in a great position for this kind of infiltration, given the large numbers of citizens of north african descent and muslim faith (I was in Paris recently). But our congress had nothing better to do than childishly rename French fries “Freedom Fries”.
hey Phoenix Woman – I left the Strib long ago, Kirsten was the last straw for me. That woman is flat delusional.
Agree that Mallard Fillmore strip is beyond stupid. The local San Antonio rag carries both it and Doonesbury on editorial pages. I’d run across it in other papers around the country as well.
Not checking all the links but I recall reading a news story that the BushCo tax cuts wound up raising approx 23-24% of the lsot revenues at best.
As far as $500 haircuts? Hey, at least he has hair. I’d just like to find another hair salon like the one I used when I lived outside Albany. They gave half-price hair cuts to bald men as we only have half the hair. Only place I’ve ever found that, I tell ya!
I have been asking this for several weeks. Will Paul McNulty be taken out during this AG Scandal? Turns out war profiteering Senator Feinstein is not happy with McNulty
http://online.wsj.com/public/a…..?mod=blogs
Kristol has been tickled pink with this AG scandal. I still believe that he and his other right wing radical Israeli firster friends would like to witness McNulty take a hit. What a way to cast a cloud over the upcoming A*P*C /espionage trial coming up on June 4. Mcnulty is one of the prosecutors for that trial.
Will there be a 5th delay in the A*P*C/espionage trial? Lastest news
http://www.dailypress.com/news…..s-virginia
mulligatawny @ 22
You have to remember that Bush laughed at a reporter who, during a press conference, asked the President of France a question, in French, in France. Bush laughed at him.
Watched a bit of Paula Zahn on the massacre. Some woman pimping her security product was on, and then Ms Zahn went on to leading questions of students who actually seemed more mature than she is. Reminded me why I never watch tv except in dire circumstances. I’m going to have to raise the bar on dire. It’s really awful. I haven’t watched television news in a couple of years, and when you don’t see it, and then come back to it, you see the difference.
I’m hoping Josh Marshall’s You-tube experiment in talking-head news takes the networks down. There’s a good chance of it.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponlin…..ref=slogin
TeddySanFran @ 4
Eeek! Somebody put me out! ;-)
Knut Wicksell @
27
That’s why I watch (or at least use as background noise) a lot of old movies. Right now “Fletch” is on AMC with “Fletch Lives” scheduled next.
Y’know, the last time TradMed focused on expensive haircuts, the story ended up being entirely fiction. I think politico.com is just Drudge without the hat. When Flightsuit fellated Mike Allen from the podium at Mike’s first presser as a politico reporter, I knew they were Rove’s boys.
TeddySanFran @ 7
Do you have a copy of The One Percent Doctrine, too?
That was the most chilling way I could imagine opening a book.
A*P*C indictment
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=…..080906.pdf Judge T.S. Ellis and AIPAC&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a
Phoenix Woman @ 29
Just dip your head in Lake Calhoon PW, there is an added benifit, I hear the Scotch Guard is an excellent conditioner.
TeddySanFran @ 7
Bush didn’t bother with the PDB because one of the Bush family commandments is “never bite the hand of a crony that feeds you”.
kathleen @
25
Note the quote from Mark Carollo, Barbara Comstock’s boy, in the WSJ article critical of McNulty. The long knives are out.
az matt
am watching it, pretty strange…..can’t tell which side it’s coming from…..the soldier trying to ‘relate’ to people is wearing sunglasses the whole time, no eye contact……..strange. 1st rule of engagement when you want to engage, take off the glasses….
hi eureka!!!!!! check out the lord of the peeps one day.
have a lot to catch up on………am going back and forth reading up on what i missed…….dial-up, takes a while……..
my dad-an staunch fdr democrat- is convinced that america has been desensitized and we are going to have another republican in ‘08….because america won’t vote for a woman, and won’t vote for a black man and won’t vote for someone from the south..his other logic was scary……told him it’s just started, nothin’ done yet….i tried to rejuvenate him.
Phoenix, I feel your pain re Mallard Fillmore. We in Los Angeles had to ignore that strip for several years before the LA Times blessedly dropped it a couple of months ago.
Montag, JFK’s tax cut also closed enough loopholes so that people actually paid the upper marginal rate, which for the most part they had not been doing previously. If you read his address to the Congress introducing his tax bill, it’s very plain that he understands the basic fact that collecting less taxes generally results in lower tax revenue, a fact not appreciated on the right.
Jay @ 37
Ew, you also had Ramirez for a while too. Vile.
The claim that Bush’s tax cuts for the rich boosted revenue is true. It’s boosted the revenue of the rich. If you thought he meant something else, that’s not his fault.
Bush has permitted all of us to participate in one of the greatest economic events of all time: record oil company profits. As we edge closer to paying $4.00 a gallon, we must pause and give thanks to the Decider for deciding on a way that we all can participate in this economic miracle.
Eli @ 40
Thanks Eli, I had forgotten about that puke Ramirez.
help…Brent Bozell on MSNBC …my ears my eyes. HELP! GUNS! I need the bleach, blech….
Reagan was also notorious for re-indexing tax brackets to put the squeeze on the little people. Let’s say that a tax bracket setup was something like 3001-3500 paying 5 bucks, and 3501 – 4000 paid $10. He would change it to 3001-3250 $5, 3251-3500 $6, 3501-3750 $7, and 3751 – 4000 $10 bucks. With this sleight of hand, taxes didn’t “go up.” Somebody making $3200 still paid only $5, and somebody making 3800 still paid only $10. It was the people who fell on the other side of the tax brackets who got screwed.
He was always doing lame crap like that to mask soaking us.
lolo @ 42
AAARRGGHHHHH!!! You just confirmed my suspicions, thought it was him and deliberately tried to un-hear him.
Now must use the Lysol-laced eye- and ear-swabs.
My local paper carried Doonesbury for years but after some noise by some nutjobs, decided to give Mallard Fillmore “equal time.” Mallard is always overtly political and never funny. Doonesbury not always so overtly political and usually funny. Not only is D’bury not always political but it represented Clinton with a waffle, right?
LJ/Aquaria @ 44
Our Decider has an MBA. He would never do that…is it an honorary degree?
(((((Rayne)))))))
Thanks for the antidote.
lolo
PW, nice piece on the Repugs blatant Hypocracy!!! WaPo’s no.’s: 67%(tot.); 80%(D’s); 66%(I); and; 53% Repugs think the USA’s were removed for Political reasons! Where is Congress?????
CTuttle @ 48
Hey, Conyers and Leahy are trying to *prove* it.
I just don’t know whether to scream or cry. Can anybody help me out here? You do one, I’ll do the other?
dmac @ 37
am watching it, pretty strange…..can’t tell which side it’s coming from…..the soldier trying to ‘relate’ to people is wearing sunglasses the whole time, no eye contact……..strange. 1st rule of engagement when you want to engage, take off the glasses….
hi eureka!!!!!! check out the lord of the peeps one day.
have a lot to catch up on………am going back and forth reading up on what i missed…….dial-up, takes a while……..
my dad-an staunch fdr democrat- is convinced that america has been desensitized and we are going to have another republican in ‘08….because america won’t vote for a woman, and won’t vote for a black man and won’t vote for someone from the south..his other logic was scary……told him it’s just started, nothin’ done yet….i tried to rejuvenate him.
Obama has raised alot of funds, I’m not sure that theory is true in the new amerikkka. The republicans are unhappy with their own candidates.
BUSHit Click the link
I bought his CD too.
ooooh, CBS5 has BigDog scolding a reporter, pointing his finger, coming up next, BayArea ‘pups.
Eli @ 49
According to TPM they are thinking of legal options.
conniptionfit @ 50
Today is a day when it is definitely ok to cry.
Granted, however, it won’t happen from the Legislative side, it’s already doomed to be litgated, and inexorably drug through the Judiciary, ergo, it won’t be settled til late ‘08 or ‘09! Whoops, ain’t that the Calendar?!
the Cedar Rapids paper puts mallard fillmore and Doonsbury on the same page. Striving for balance I suppose. All it does it to hilight the brilliance of Gary Trudeau, and and the absolute inane ignorence that the other comic produces. somewhat like a car crash in slow motion, or (godess help me) being unable to NOT watch the massacre coverage on MSNBC while waiting at the Y, I keep being drawn to look at it. Then I am extremely annoyed with myself when it is the same drivel as always.
Jay @
42
Eli @ 40
Jay @ 37
Ew, you also had Ramirez for a while too. Vile.
Thanks Eli, I had forgotten about that puke Ramirez.
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And to have pushed Paul Conrad aside to make way for that creep….
Dakine and Gnome:
Do you want to find a straightjacket for the guy who writes Nacho Guarache in the Excuse for News as much as I do?
It’s a local strip that’s purportedly about a working class Hispanic who is oddly a Hispanic wingnut.
Charles @ 38
But, the loopholes came back. Rather quickly, too. And, if you also read the address, he cites the lower top rate as “fair.” But, dropping the rate still lowers the baseline against all future legislation–no one wants to “raise” taxes once they’ve been lowered, even if to absurdly low levels (as in the Reagan years). Witness GHWB’s predicament in that regard.
The lower rate remained in place for eighteen years, until the 1983 Dem-controlled House caved in to Reagan’s tax plan, and it was that which effectively destroyed the progressive tax system.
But, you’re right–there was some temporary tightening of the loopholes for individual taxpayers (and a marginal tax increase on lower brackets in the Johnson years to fund the Vietnam war) and Kennedy was well aware that reduced taxation meant reduced revenues. At about the same time, though, the income sources for the wealthy were still expanding due to reduced effective rates on corporations and increased war spending.
tbsa at 52 from my 37
tried to tell him it was still wide-open….was a long detailed discussion…..a lot can change before the time comes, attitudes can adjust by then, ‘08 is still a long way off………
LJ/Aquaria @ 60
I haven’t really gotten a good feel for that one as yet. I only pick up the Sunday so I guess it hasn’t really registered with me. Kinda sounds like the guy would be a Henry Cuellar supporter? (The guy that Ciro Rodrigues just kicked out – the DINO?)
Tinsley always seemed to operate in some weird parallel fact-free universe – oh, yeah, wingnuttia.
The LA Times dropped Tinsley and his malodorous duck about a month ago. My morning blood pressure has returned to normal.
LJ/Aquaria @ 59
I don’t even bother looking at the editorial page. I get Doonesbury online along with my other favorite cartoonists, so I don’t see Mallard Fillmore, NG, or any of the other drivel. That’s why I love the toobz – I can order my input just the why I like it: totally biased and unbalanced.
beerfart liberal @
46
Doonesbury afflicts the comfortable, whomever they may be.
Saw Trudeau at Royce Hall/UCLA a bit ago. His take on Bush (they were classmates at Yale):
“Too much noblesse, not enough oblige.”
When something goes wrong…
…checkout who controls security:
http://video.google.com/videop…..5481454022
…same as 9ll:
http://video.yahoo.com/video/p…..79&fr=
Wyden,my senator ,had a graduated tax that i think is getting traction quietly….cut the fat folks 100b= cuts the rate for less than thirty k
Gnome de Plume @
21
Looks like I picked a really good day to work late. Too much like Columbine for those of us here in Denver, and almost the anniversary, too. Remind me not to turn on the tv for a few days.
Every time I read one of these right-wing strips and then Doonesbury, I am always reminded of the classic dictum from “Spinal Tap”:
“It’s such a fine line between stupid and clever”.
Someone should tell mr tinsley that writing an intelligent political comice strip requires more than just taking fox news talking points and having them repeated by cartoon characters.
Another perspective on the AG fiasco. Byron YOrk at National Review. Come on open up your minds..
http://article.nationalreview……Q5Y2FiNTY=
PW, completely off topic, I just wanted to thank you so much for your absolutely bullsye comment on the late night thread last night: “Writing for Salon a few weeks ago, Sid Blumenthal nailed FOX’s technique of “find the most non-representative and wacky/scary Democrat/black man/liberal/etc. you can and use him/her as a stand-in for all progressives” nonsense.”
Great post, as per usual.
This is a bit off-topic, too, but if you like Matt Taibbi and you like Sy Hersh, you’re gonna love this.
Ahh, comics. A subject near and dear to my heart. Especially the conservative duck.
I loathe fillmore and bruce tinsley
I’m waiting for Family Circus to take a stand.
kathleen @
71
Open our minds for what? Another round of BushCo talking points? Read and heard nothing different from york that I haven’t already heard/read from any other wing-nut. Nice try though.
conniptionfit @ 51
I’ll be the one screaming, okay? When I read that Perino launched into a conversation about the right of people to have guns but of course not so they can go into schools and shoot up people that would be awful and we can’t have that can we but there you have it and, say, Mrs. Lincoln, is that blood on your skirt. *SHRIEKKKKKKKKK*
Montag, I have to wonder which side of the war on bulls—t you are fighting.
To quote from Kennedy’s address:
The elimination of certain defects and inequities as proposed below will provide revenue gains to offset the tax reductions offered to stimulate the economy. Thus no net loss of revenue is involved in this set of proposals. I wish to emphasize here that they are a “set”-and that considerations of both revenue and equity, as well as the interrelationship of many of the proposals, urge their consideration as a unit.
The tax bill included:
* An investment tax credit
* Elimination of tax havens
* Tax Americans abroad on income, foreign property, dividends, and the estate tax
* Withhold on dividends and interest to stop tax cheating
* Eliminate the exemption on dividends because it ends up being regressive
* Increase capital gains taxes on business property
* Tax co-ops, private lenders, and insurance companies
* Increase tax audits
* Extend the 52% corporate tax rate
* Tax jet fuel (rather than raise the rate on av gas)
The reason lowering the top rate is “fair” is because he’s taxing rich cheaters and is therefore able to lower rates on the honest rich.
You present no evidence that the loopholes came back quickly and I don’t think there is any.
Nor do I see any evidence that tax revenues fell. This was a tax revenue neutral proposal, lowering marginal tax rates but raising collection efficiency.
Gnome de Plume @ 65
Oh, I looked. Or I did, when I used to get the paper, until last fall. Usually, I’d do a quick count: Six columns, all conservative today. Oh, look. Somebody amped Cal Thomas’s dosage. Christ, why–why–do they think Maureen Dowd is anything but some desperate biological clock watcher who’s sniffed too many nail polish fumes? And so forth.
The only time the page is readable at all is when they have Leonard Pitts on the op-ed.
dakine01 @ 76
Open our minds for what? Another round of BushCo talking points? Read and heard nothing different from york that I haven’t already heard/read from any other wing-nut. Nice try though./blockquote>
Ding
Kathleen at #71. I think my mind is open already. I looked at your mind expanding National Review and it is nothing but the Republican Coverup/talking points/lying propaganda.. Are you a “Loyal Bushie”? The National Review is well known for supporting a “Globalized New World Order” with secret wars, secret weapons deals, secret assasinations, so that the super-rich can plunder the planet. Open your mind.
Dakine: You’re more generous than I am. I don’t think Cuellar has anything to do with it. It smells like Bonilla’s idea of what the raza think.
Hi pups – OT but…
Sy Hersh and Matt Tabibi (from ICH)
[bold - kjm]
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Hi Montag – missed your 7:13 (i’m a slow typist) – apologies for “piling on”
barbara @ 77
For the 90 seconds I had the tv on I caught Scaborough (not a typo) going on about if Hollywood would cut down on movie violence.
Because Hollywood actors, directors, and producers are well known for having second jobs as arms dealers.
If people are going to go on shooting sprees, they should at least give some thought to who they are going to shoot.
“Tinsley … he borrowed a page out of Fred Thompson’s and the Club for Growth’s Big Book of Bullshit and laid this atrocity down in front of his readers: “JFK, Reagan and this president [Bush] all increased tax revenue by cutting tax rates!”
That is a LIE. Can’t we call these people what they are? LIARS! Not, “that’s not true” or “that’s incorrect.” That’s for wimps (like Schumer). These are LIES plain and simple. I am sick and tired of wimps in Congress not willing to stand up and state so!!! They’re LIARS. God (wia Dante) will have to create a lower level of hell in which to put these bastards!!
PeteCO @
69
Yeah, takes you back doesn’t it? All the vultures decending on Clement Park. All the wing nuts rantin’ about how it never would have happened if only the teachers had been allowed to carry guns, the NRA refusing to move their stupid show… I just crawled back into bed for a few hours.
littleton,co
LJ/Aquaria @
79
Oh, I looked. Or I did, when I used to get the paper, until last fall. Usually, I’d do a quick count: Six columns, all conservative today. Oh, look. Somebody amped Cal Thomas’s dosage. Christ, why–why–do they think Maureen Dowd is anything but some desperate biological clock watcher who’s sniffed too many nail polish fumes? And so forth.
The only time the page is readable at all is when they have Leonard Pitts on the op-ed.
A few weeks ago, one of the local columnists (woman, don’t recall her name – I think I purposely blocked it out) did a column about how wonderful it was that Oprah and Bill Orally had teamed up to combat child abuse. I sent her an e-mail with the subject line: Are you kidding me? and proceeded to ask her a few pointed questions about her awareness of Orally’s treatment of Shawn Hornbeck. Needless to say, I heard nothing back.
Speaking of cartoonists: I’d be very interested in seeing another person’s take on Mike Lester’s cartoons.
http://cagle.com/politicalcartoons/
They’re some of the ugliest, most racist cartoons I’ve ever seen. Some fellow in a debate forum loves to post them…I think they just mirror his soul, but what do I know.
”Ex-Aide Says Gonzales Discussed Firings
By DAVID JOHNSTON
WASHINGTON, April 16 — The former top aide to Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales has told Congressional investigators that Mr. Gonzales was “inaccurate,” or “at least not complete” in asserting that he had no role in the deliberations about individual United States attorneys who were later dismissed, a Democratic senator said Monday.
The statements by D. Kyle Sampson, the former chief of staff to Mr. Gonzales, during an interview with investigators on Sunday, were made public as the Senate Judiciary Committee postponed a hearing that had been scheduled for Tuesday in which Mr. Gonzales was to appear to defend his actions in the dismissals.
Senator Patrick J. Leahy, the Vermont Democrat who is the committee’s chairman, and Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, its senior Republican, delayed the hearing until Thursday because of the shooting rampage at Virginia Tech.
In his interview, Mr. Sampson said under oath that Mr. Gonzales took part in discussions last fall about David C. Iglesias, who was removed as the United States attorney in New Mexico, as well as in a June 2006 meeting that addressed concerns about Carol C. Lam, the United States attorney ousted from her job in San Diego, said Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York. Mr. Sampson made similar statements in public testimony to the Judiciary Committee on March 29, but appeared to offer more specifics in the interview.
Mr. Schumer, who has led the Senate inquiry into the Justice Department’s ouster of eight federal prosecutors, said that Mr. Sampson’s testimony raised new questions about the accuracy of Mr. Gonzales’s previous statements, most recently in testimony released Sunday in advance of the Senate hearing, that he had not taken part in deliberations about individual prosecutors designated for removal.”……….
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04…..ys.html?hp
Ewww. Tinsley and Fillmore. My beef with him is not that he’s conservative – it’s that he is deadly dull and completely non-humorous. I was a supporter of Michael Ramirez when he and Robert Scheer were fired by the LA Times to make was for cheaper talent. I completely oppose his point of view, but I applaud the artistry with which he presents it.
But that is something I have noticed about the right – a dearth, a veritable barren desert of humor. Look what happened with that sad, miserable attempt to copy the Daily Show. I guess “Mallard Fillmore” is a token rightie – affirmative action. Any liberal strip that unfunny wouldn’t make it onto the elementary school newspaper, much less national syndication.
LJ/Aquaria @ 82
Since I’ve only been down here since last June, I’m still trying to get all my local politicians straight. Although it didn’t take long to figure out that the Hon. Lamar Smith is an idiot.
conniptionfit @ 86
F*cking Howard Stern. Never mind Imus. People PAY to listen to his sh*t.
You’re in Littleton?
Alicia @ 90
And the conservative Dennis Miller. No longer close to funny, just mean spirited.
dakine01 @ 93
Yes – WTF happened there – a humorectomy?
PeteCO @ 84
Well, there’s the randomness of shootings. No way to protect against that. Then there’s the randomness of totally callous statements, e.g., Junior’s mouthpiece saying how sorry the prez is about their troubles and by the way, he wants to remind everyone that guns are legal. Crap, that’s like — I’ve been stuck here for several minutes, and I can’t even find an analogy disgusting enough to be a good parallel. My mind hurts. Time to nip off to bed to read Jasper Fforde.
The best cartoonist in America today is Tom Tomorrow, IMO.
PeteCO @ 95
Yeah, but he draws his strip too small. ;-)
Alicia @
94
He started identifying with the rich and powerful, and switched his focus from picking on them to picking on the not-so-powerful.
PeteCO @ 96
Agreed. None better.
http://www.thismodernworld.com/
Alicia @
94
Fear.
Sweet! Nothing like putting the squeeze on him after he did all that prepping.
Gnome de Plume @ 97
Buy his books, they’re worth it. “Hell in a Handbasket” is scary/funny. He called it as it was happening, and even before, in a lot of cases.
jinny @
89
Here we go, lads and lasses. Heheheh.
conniptionfit @ 51
Welcome to my world.
Alicia @ 94
koolaide koolaide taste great wish to have some can’t wait (????) ok anyone know the words?
Jinny @ 89 – I am getting dizzy. The article continues:
A Justice Department spokesman, Brian Roehrkasse, said there was nothing new in the information Mr. Schumer attributed to Mr. Sampson. He said that Mr. Gonzales’s role in discussions about Mr. Iglesias and Ms. Lam had been previously disclosed; that Mr. Gonzales’s statements about his lack of recollection about the White House meeting were accurate; and that his accounts of it to Mr. Sampson and others were based on what others had told him, not on his own memory.
So now Gonzales is saying that he told Sampson about the discussions, but not because he remembered them but because other people told him (Gonzales) about them?
PeteCo@92-yep.
barbara @ 95
I know, that was a flip comment, but sometimes I get to thinking……
Helen @ 105
That sounds like the Scooter Libby defense. It worked so well for him. . .
Gnome de Plume @ 97
I’ve noticed that on my small-pixel-pitched Mac screen. So when I get to that site I just use the System Prefs Universal Access Seeing area to zoom in on a panel or two. Presto, instant readability. If you’re on a Mac, HTH. If a PC, there’s probably something similar. Bueller?
egregious @
104
No, hon, this is MY world. But I’m so happy you share it with me.
PeteCO @
108
Hurts, don’t it?
First I hear of this report released to Carl Levin.
A shadowy Pentagon unit — the Office of Special Plans, headed by Douglas Feith, former U.S. Under Secretary of Defence for Policy — deliberately fabricated intelligence linking Saddam Hussein’s regime to al-Qaida in order to incite the United States to make war on Iraq.
This conclusion, long suspected by most observers of the Middle East, has now been confirmed by Thomas F. Gimble, Inspector General of the U.S. Defence Department, in a declassified report, released on April 5 at the request of Carl M. Levin, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.
Together with his boss, Paul Wolfowitz, then Deputy Defence Secretary, Douglas Feith was one of an influential group of pro-Israeli neo-conservatives in the Bush administration who exploited the 11 September 2001 terrorist attack on the U.S. to campaign and intrigue for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.
http://tinyurl.com/yu364w
lolo,
I can’t think of the words to that either. But a ton of ads are coming back to me…”Chewy chewy tootsie roll, lasts a long time…”
“In the land of sky blue waters…”
“Winston tastes good like a (click click) cigarette should!”
Just read an article in the paper about one family’s experience with a “Flat Daddy”–a life size cutout of a family member serving overseas.
PeteCO @
102
I’ve bought that one. I agree. There’s no one sharper. I also love Ted Rall.
Helen @
106
Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive!
They can’t remember their own lies and everyone in the Department is telling a different lie(s).
Phoenix Woman @ 98
Dennis Miller is a classic sell-out. He sensed a market for wingnut humor and exploited it.. his problem is that he comes off as an a**hole and the right humor market has dried up.
conniptionfit @ 107
Wash Park. I used to work for a company in Englewood. On the day of Columbine, a bunch of people all got phone calls, mid morning. They jumped in their cars and took off. Their kids were students there. It was incredible how many people that touched, even tangentially. My wife’s nephew was one of the kids who was locked down while it was going on-stuff like that. My heart goes out to those in Virginia who are affected by this.
Margot @
114
Koolaid, Koolaid, Tastes Great. Wish we had some, can’t wait! You were close lolo…
Margot @ 113
“In the land of sky blue waters, Ham’s the beer refreshing.”
Now stop that! LOL Damn I’m old ; )
Phoenix Woman @ 98
much better pay
RevDeb @ 14
do you know something?
Margot @ 114
“Come Alive! You’re in the Pepsi Generation!”
“Taste me, taste me – come on and taste me! Tase a puff and let me do my stuff! That’s all Doral asks – taste me!”
“You’ll get a Quick Tan with QT – a double tan, you see – any time rain or shine when you use….QT!” (remember that orange stuff?)
Cozumel @ 121
I WANT a CLARK Bar!
TheOtherWA @ 19
and let’s not forget that in the summer of 01, during the g-8 summit conferences, italian forces were deployed with ack-ack guns pointed to the skies in case of terrorist attacks from the air.
thus putting the lie to the notion that “no one could have imagined” planes being flown into buildings.
beerfart liberal @ 46
That’s not entirely true. Occasionally Tinsley will toss off a non-political slice-of-life piece, and while they certainly aren’t gutbusters, they are often genuinely amusing. The difference between them and his normal drivel is so striking, it’s almost like some other artist sneaks into his studio and briefly commendeers his drawing board…
And I was glad to see that the Seattle Post-Intelligencer took advantage of The Boondock’s death to ditch Mallard from their Sunday comics as well…
Jay @
118
He lives in my community and has always been a raving maniac; he married a very wealthy woman – that’s the only reason he can afford to live here.
PeteCO @ 119
Man, no shit. I live about1 1/2 miles from Columbine. I was out working in my garden when it seemed like the whole world exploded in sound, multiple sirens, helicopters. I went in and turned on the TV..and wished I hadn’t. Fortunately, my babies were still in elementary school. I’m thinking about those families tonight. And also about the ghouls that will be oozing around soon.
noen @ 26
it was david gregory. more than that, bush mocked him, in a bit of a snit, as if he was put out.
from the Land of Sky Blue Waters….
dakine01 @ 120
Thanks!
dmg @ 126
“thus putting the lie to the notion that “no one could have imagined” planes being flown into buildings.”
Actually Fitz put an end to that lie in the embassy bombing case. He had BinLaden’s pilot on the stand and actually asked something like -
Were you hired to just fly BinLaden around (and do crop dusting) or to fly the plane into a building?
dmg @ 130
Yet today, the President of France was the first world leader to send condolences to W. and the American people.
barbara @ 77
as long as the ONE constitutional right the bushies won’t touch involves the right to bear arms, we’re going to keep having these sort of hideous episodes. watch out for copycats.
conniptionfit @ 129
I’m sure Tancredo will find a way to blame it on Mexicans.
I wonder what’s up for late night. Um maybe pens it’s been awhile. Any guesses?
lolo
All you need to know about Mallard Fillmore is that the strip was rejected by several papers before the Moonie Times picked it up.
Days like this, you just want to grab your family, crawl into a hole, and pull it in after you.
Prairie Sunshine @ 131
Ah, correct. Tasted like cr*p too. No wonder they went out of business ; )
http://www.firstanimationart.c…..15;218.jpg
lolo @ 137
Whale blubber.
Just because.
Cozumel @ 140
Hamm’s wasn’t bad, but I do miss Grain Belt.
The Koolaid Kids are off again to visit other lands, be sure to join them when they do -
join them in some Koolaid too!
Hi pups – beg pardon if this was already up, but I think it will bring a smile.
Buh-bye, Rep Doolittle?
[TPMuck]
Anna Perenna @ 143
Not in this lifetime. Or at least since Jonestown.
dmg @ 130
I found this YouTube where Gregory (aka “Karl Rove’s backup dancer”) describes this interaction with W on the Leno show…
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PRflK7kQQMo
I couldn’t find footage of the Dear Leader’s actual snit, just the recounting of one of his toadies …
jinny @ 134
and the french were absolutely terrific in the days after 9/11. “we Are All Americans,” as Le Monde headlined.
Thanks for the tasty update, Kirk…that Doolittle’s a true crooked politician.
Helen @ 133
i didn’t know that. why isn’t something like that hung around the neck of the bushites?
if this seems too soon, do
come back on another day. . .
but much too much (else) has
happened while we, as a nation, were
transfixed by the tragedy at virginia tech. . .
most importantly, rep. john conyers
intends to interview rachel paulose, shortly.
yes, that rachel paulose, as well as
several other U.S.A.’s — including one
in wisconsin, and some of those who worked
for the one ousted from new mexico. . .
nearly as importantly, mr. gonzales
failed to comply with the terms of
the subpoena duces tecum served on
him last week — he did not produce
all the documents contemplated by it,
by the 2 p.m. deadline, today. rep.
conyers is reportedly exploring options
to compel compliance with that subpoena,
as of this writing. . .
sen. patrick leahy has begun releasing some
of the juicier, troubling, specifics from
the unprecedented “sunday surprise” inter-
view his staffers conducted ex rel.
kyle sampson, and it seems most of what sampson
has averred directly contradicts mr. gonzales’
proffered version of the very same events. . .
rep. henry waxman has allowed a short delay
in doan’s compliance with his request for
all her documents, but still wants a very-
detailed inventory of what exists, what is
missing and, of course, who has/had r.n.c.
e-mail accounts — all by this wednesday
afternoon, april 18, 2007. . .
there is more of this, here. . .
Seems like the Arizona Republic is doing away with the less conservative commentary also, no more Maureen, (Molly is gone), no more Krugman …. lots of subtle right wing stuff tho.
Jay, you’re most welcome.
Watching ecocidal crooks like Doolittle come down will be very, very sweet.
dmg @ 147
I guess it’s a matter of national class..something this country of ours has pissed away thanks to Dick Cheney and his talking dummy..
dmg @ 149
I do not know. Perhaps because the answer was “no” and so the spin could be that Fitz was just guessing. But like Kerry said to Fitz in the 911 hearings – there is a lot more in open source docs than we know.
TRex upstairs. here
late nite!
Bill @ 151
no loss losing dowd, i assure you.
Nolo 150,
Coookies…
i am of the opinion that no one will ever lay a hand on bush. just like his dad, he’ll ride off, unmarred by indictment.
the best we can hope for over the next 20 months is relentless taking of names and correcting the record of how savagely the bushites savaged our nation domestically and degraded it internationally.
before this administration, i objected on a relatively constant basis to one policy or another by our government. but i had never before been ashamed of being an american.
as a bonus, they’ve also created something i never thought i’d have to cop to. i never thought that, when traveling out of the country, i’d have to be AFRAID of being an american.
splendid work they’ve done.
Phoenix Woman @ 141
teeheehee
LS @ 158
ooh! — cool. i get some?
thanks. . .
Charles @ 77
Montag says, “most of the gains achieved from Kennedy’s tax plan were gone by the late `70s.”
In other words, his tax policy actually lasted long after his last day in office. Compare to Reagan, whose tax policy started vanishing while he was in office and exists today only in the feverish imaginations of the American Enterprise Institute and the WSJ editors.
No, I don’t think the claim that Kennedy’s tax reforms were short-lived is persuasive. Public policy is organic, needing regular pruning.
And less fertilizer than policy makers tend to apply.
Montag adds, “My point in this is that every downward shift in the overall tax structure is followed by further reductions for the wealthy.”
This point is extremely difficult to discern from what you actually said. The point is also not correct, as the Clinton tax hikes on the wealthy illustrate. And after Bush, when the grown-ups are back in charge, we’ll raise taxes on the wealthy to levels that at least pay the bills.
I do believe that the government that is best taxes the least… and also pays its bills. The major reason that giantism in government is necessary is as a counter to giantism in corporations. Unfortunately, gigantic government does things like spy on citizens and start unnecessary wars. Hoover was doing the former 60 years before Michael Hayden, and McKinley was doing the latter in Cuba and the Phillipines almost 100 years ago. We tend to think warmly of government as the instrument of civil rights enforcement, consumer protection, and environmental action. But the real source of those actions was citizen involvement.
As for taxes declining, I think you’re confusing a relatively short-term generational social trend away from the New Deal and toward conservativism with (faulty) theorem about tax policy. What is true is that in democracies, demagogues often attempt to bribe the people with their own money.
And, like Reagan and Bush the Lesser, often succeed.
dakine01 @ 76
I was kidding.
from a fellow minneapolitan — loved this post for its local flavor (for me) and for good documentation on the ‘tax cuts lead to increased tax revenue’ canard.
just happy you’re now blogging where i and many others can see you.
Gotta get around to this thing sometime…
Everytime Jonah Goldberg is in the Trib I write a letter to the editor and complain. I also complained about tha comic strip [Chickweed Lane] being dropped.
Last time Goldberg was in I wrote and said I want to see his Journalist bonafides!! Its been awhile now since Jonah has been there!!
Lindy