
From left to right, convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff, golf organizer Jason Murdoch, former Christian Coalition leader Ralph Reed, convicted former Bush administration official David Safavian and convicted former Rep. Bob Ney, R-OH. Quite the photo, isn't it? From the Canton Rep.
The WSJ has an interesting angle today on the missing WH e-mails, Jack Abramoff and the Department of Justice.
Lawyers involved in the case said that beginning more than a year ago, federal prosecutors and Federal Bureau of Investigation agents interviewed Mr. Abramoff and other cooperating witnesses at length about numerous contacts between Mr. Abramoff and White House officials, including presidential adviser Karl Rove.
One focus of the Justice inquiry has been whether Mr. Abramoff obtained official favors in exchange for giving Bush administration officials expensive meals and tickets to sporting events and concerts. The White House has denied this.
Disclosures last week that large numbers of Mr. Rove's White House email messages and those of other White House officials were erased and possibly permanently lost raised concern on Capitol Hill about possible destruction of evidence relevant to the Abramoff-White House inquiry.
People with direct knowledge of the investigation say that all of Mr. Abramoff's email correspondence was preserved and turned over to prosecutors, including those with the White House. But it isn't clear to what extent Mr. Rove and others in the White House may have exchanged messages among themselves, or with others outside, pertaining to Mr. Abramoff, and whether any of these may have been erased. The White House didn't respond to requests for comment….
One individual debriefed at length by prosecutors and the FBI about Mr. Abramoff's White House relations is Susan Ralston, who was Mr. Abramoff's executive assistant before taking on a similar job for Mr. Rove at the White House. She resigned her White House job in October 2006 after disclosures that she had been the main go-between for the two men.
Ms. Ralston's lawyer, Bradford Berenson, said she is a cooperating witness and not a target in the case. He confirmed that she has answered questions about Mr. Abramoff's involvement with the White House, adding, "She's been interviewed numerous times by investigators looking into all aspects of the Abramoff affair." (emphasis mine)
Quite the interesting little string of tidbits, isn't it? Especially when read in conjunction with this in The Hill from last week:
“The investigation will be handled fairly, appropriately, and impartially by dedicated career professionals in the Department of Justice, and the Department will insure that ample personnel and resources are dedicated to this matter,” Deputy Assistant Attorney General John Keeney wrote in a letter dated April 5 and received by Wertheimer Tuesday.Keeney’s letter, however, did not address Wertheimer’s question about whether there had been any political intervention in the probe in the past. It also didn’t respond to his request that Gonzales inform the public about the level of resources currently assigned to the Abramoff-related criminal investigations and how those resources compare with resources previously available for the Abramoff-related investigations.
The letter also sidestepped the issue of what the DoJ is doing to resolve questions about Abramoff’s relationship with other former and current members of Congress, as well as their spouses, and whether their ties to Abramoff resulted in any criminal activity. (emphasis mine)
For some history on the "other former and current members of Congress, as well as their spouses, and whether their ties to Abramoff resulted in any criminal activity," see here for a bit of background.
With the substantial questions of self-dealing and politicization within the DoJ being raised at the moment, and the seemingly stagnant Abramoff investigation languishing in prosecutorial obscurity, is it any wonder that serious questions need to be raised about how things are going under the politically connected hand of Alice Fisher, who was tapped specially to head up the Public Corruption unit despite close ties to Tom DeLay? (Or, as I like to refer to him, "alleged potential target Tom DeLay," but I digress.) As Jane reported months ago:
Fisher had been having trouble with her confirmation too, and Carl Levin had blocked her nomination due to concerns over her position on torture. There was also worry about her connection to DeLay:
Leahy also expressed concerns about Fisher's "views on checks of controversial provisions of the Patriot Act and her opposition to the Act's sunset provision; her participation in meetings in which the FBI expressed its disagreement with harsh interrogation methods practiced by the military toward detainees held at Guantanamo, and her ideas about appropriate safeguards for the treatment of enemy combatants." Leahy was also concerned about "reports that she has had ties to Congressman Tom DeLay's defense team" and "also to know what steps she to take to avoid a conflict of interest in the Department's investigation of lobbyist Jack Abramoff and possibly Mr. DeLay."Fisher is a career Republican who in her former job was registerd as a lobbyist for HCA, the healthcare company founded by Bill Frist's father. Her appointment was also controversial due to the fact that like her boss Abu Gonzales, Fisher has no trial experience and with Comey gone there would be no senior member of the Justice Department who was an experienced criminal prosecutor. But Senatorial oversight was dispensed with and BushCo. continued on its Brownie-esque rampage to replace experience with cronyism. (emphasis mine)
Because, honestly, why recess appoint a political crony to this particular public corruption supervisory job in the midst of Hurricane Katrina (when the President could not otherwise be bothered to desist from his rigorous vacationing and campaign fundraising schedule) unless there was a very good reason to do so for CYA purposes for someone? (*cough* Karl *cough*) Loyalty over the rule of law. Pledge of fealty over justice.
All this time, the multiple debriefings with Abramoff and various other Bush Admnistration officials and Republican staffers…and we know no more about Jack and his web of political cronies than we did several months ago. And we have little to no indictments to show for it. Don't know about you all, but I have a lot of questions…and they all come back to one helluva big one: just how far is a "loyal Bushie" willing to go to protect the political angle? And how can we trust that they haven't been going that far all along?
Not exactly encouraging, is it? The good news is that Rep. Henry Waxman is looking into all of this. I say bring on the sunshine.
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Madness! Madness! Madness!
corruption!
Wax!
Why aren’t they all wearing orange?
This is a Shakesperian drama..
Bay State at 5 — I have to say, typing in the word “convicted” repeatedly in the photo caption was quite unnerving — when you start to contemplate the scope of corruption, it truly is mind boggling.
(Pls pardon OT… EPU’d)
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Jack, jack and more JACK: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/15/114515/619 and some Saint McCain for good measure.
My favorite part of the WSJ article was Ralston’s lawyer’s description of her as a cooperating witness.” Mwahahahahahahaha
Jack Abramoff’s GREED certainly has paid off for the Bushies. The first of many stones to turn over and there were certainly ugly critters under it. And there are lotsa rocks left to look under.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 9
Like the rabbit cooperates with the python…
Who gets to appoint independent prosecutors? Did Kenneth Starr finish off that avenue for us?
The really awful and unfair thing is, it’s going to take years for the bad taste from what the Bush Administration has done to the image of the Justice Department, and for that matter, the U.S. Supreme Court to dissapate. Talk about a few bad apples. And the biggest and baddest apple in this rotton barrel is George W. Bush.
Gonzo is in deep sh*t just with this. He will never be believed by the majority of Americans again. These doubts will hurt the Bushies in 2008. Bye-bye permanent Bushie majority!!
From the WaPo today.
So how do we stop the Senate from taking any more recess time while the Chimperor is in office? They have to know that each time they leave the school building and go out on the playground, the cockroaches of the WH are doing more damage.
Harry, are you listening?
For what he did to the Indian tribes with convicted felon Jack Abramoff, Ralph Reed deserves conviction himself. Plus a gold medal (of freedom? it could happen) for hypocrisy beyond the call of duty.
I dunno about the golf pro… :)
And the infamous Abramoff will likely get a sentence reduction. Whew!
RevDeb @ 15
Maybe the best way would be to keep both chambers open through the normal recesses for hearings, but not schedule any business other than hearings. Only way I can think of.
RevDeb @ 15
Deb – I read somewhere, yesterday, that the Dems are indeed considering staying in session throughout August.
btw, all, there is a LOT of information in the links above. Just FYI. It took me a while to dig all of it up, so if you need a refresher course on the Abramoff mess, the links are a good place to start.
Remember that Rep. Doolittle is currently under investigation by the DoJ for his Abramoff involvement, but so far there has been no action. Doolittle is currently on Rove’s endangered list and in need of RNC help for 08.
There needs to be more light placed on the investigation of Doolittle, he is also involved in the Brent Wilkes case.
Ralph Reed looks like he’s modeling the latest in designer geek wear on the runways of Milan. One could only hope that some Italian boys would follow him chanting, Sebastian!
It’s beginning to look as if we know what the balance of this midadministration will look like- scandals, investigations, lawyers, and hide the ball.
Will any of the top tier go to jail? Doubt it- if push comes to shove they’ll be pardoned- and there aren’t many gooper prosecutors who are anxious to piss off the whole gooper community by, for example, indicting Rover.
It’s gonna be long and ugly and the Clusterfuckers will do their usual lyin, attackin, and coverin up bullshit.
At the end of the day- this president will leave office rebuked by his own party for Iraq and with no accomplishments to show for eight miserable years in office- no jail terms- but plenty of dishonor to go around…
Gnome de Plume @ 12
Starr was an Independent Counsel, not a special prosecutor. The Independent Counsel statute was allowed to expire after Starr. I don’t know the specifics of the appointment of special prosecutors, but I would find it hard to believe that there isn’t some mechanism for appointing one separate from the Attorney General in an investigation that involves the Attorney General. Though it might be as informal as “appoint the person we choose and we won’t impeach you until after we get the report.” *g*
hope this isn’t too off topic-o.
i need help building this list
of pernicious subversions:
institution …. …. …. …. …. …. gwb43 scandal
supreme court …. …. …. …. ….Bush v. Gore
Marine Corps … … … …. …. …Pat Tilman
Geneva Conventions …. …. …Abu Ghraib
habeas corpus …. …. …. …. …. Guantanamo
House of Representatives ….Tom Delay/Jack Abramoff
FEMA …. …. …. …. …. …. …. …. Katrina
Department of Defense………. rumsfled
Iraq … …. …. …. …. …. …. …. …. Coalition Provisional Authority
CIA …. …. …. …. …. …. …. …. …. Valerie Plame
FBI …. …. …. …. …. …. …. …. …. National Security Letters
GSA …. …. …. …. …. …. …. …. ….gross Hatch act violations
supreme court …. …. …. …. …. ..Alito
State department …. …. …. …. ..SOTU 16 words /no-talk policy toward iran, no. korea
vice presidency …. …. …. …. …. dick cheney
dept. of Justice …. …. …. …. …. u.s. atty’s purge
i’m sensing a pattern here.
and i need some chronology-izing.
oh, it’s a game!
pick any institution and see what BushCo has done to destroy it.
suggestions, please?
Bobby G – I played the french horn in the band, orchestra, and brass choir. Small world. I didn’t see how to contact you on your site.
Mae @ 19
It has to be beyond August. No breaks for holidays, nothing. Give him a day and another reptile will be promoted to some position to make mischief. I heard somewhere that they could adjourn or something but not recess. Don’t know the terminology or protocol, but it’s gotta happen.
yellowdog jim @ 25
Can’t we get Jeff Gannon in here, somehow?
Nice thing about complex spider webs of corruption. A little dew, a little sunshine, and presto, the pattern emerges. Now, we just need a broom.
Another day with so much going on here and around the world, and still, Hillary keeps still. Wonder if the Senator ever heard of a “position paper”?
yellowdog jim @ 25
Pat Tillman was Army.
G’morning, Christy.
Didn’t Alice Fisher craft the “no-cooperation-necessary” plea deal for Steve Griles as well, effectively shutting down all the probes of DoInterior and the mineral-rights-corruption? Fisher is doing exactly the job at Main Justice that Abu’s and Karl’s favorite USAttys are doing in the field — watching out for Bush interests while undermining the rule of law.
Isn’t she slow-walking ALL the public corruption cases as well — Foggo, Lewis, Doolittle, et al.? I want to see Alice sweat under the kleig lights.
yellowdog jim @ 25 –
hugh has also made a list – his is of bush scandals.
he keeps adding more as he thinks of them… he’s up to #122.
Christy;
Once again, you’ve pieced together a whole truth by joining a few MSM half-truths together.
The MSM editors are so good at decapitating the whole-truth these days, it takes a master blogger to put it back into perspective.
Weren’t we taught in Journalism 101 to get the whole story, good or bad? …to write the jucie-iest headline available from that story, not the most deceptive one? And for the very sake of journalistic integrity, to avoid the shiny objects/red herrings?
These blogs have inherited the 4th Estate, the MSM is currently just a low-profit branch of the corporate monopolists’ propaganda machine.
Yellowdog:
NSA: Wiretapping citizens.
LJ/Aquaria @ 28
sure.
Journalism is an institution.
TeddySF – hope you saw Atrios cross post your Lovey Howell piece – congrats !
y’all know this is Kyle Sampson’s lawyer as well
and Mr. Berenson used to work in WH Counsel Office
thanks.
i need Terry Shaivo in there too.
thanks everyone.
CNN is saying 20 people killed at VA Tech
It looks like Jack is going to getting his sentence reduced merely for cooperating with the Florida hit, getting three hoods who would have been nailed anyway. They didn’t get much else out of him, but then maybe they didn’t want to. Another tainted prosecution.
Oops. I knew I was screwing up. Couldn’t get the special, independent, counsel, prosecutor thing straight this morning.
Mack @
4
Orange is going to be the new black…
great post, christy — having
read the wsj earlier this a.m.,
yours now puts me in mind that
i ought to get to bakin’-up some
jpg’s of the wax-man’s latest
april 13, 2007 letters — i’m
off to go do that, right now.
but, it seems the r.n.c. email
servers — which all reliable-
reporting sources have being turned
over to an independent expert for
forensic analysis, possibly as early
as late this week — may be the final
piece to the puzzle — to break the
log-jam, and get some idictments to
issue for the top of the house. . .
rove, and perhaps cheney. . .
and, those would eclipse any
gonzo resignation. . .
selise @ 33
Thanks for posting the link again. I was looking for it in the wrong place. Great work selise!
selise @ 33
muchas gracias, Selise.
Hugh’s list is excellent:
I Forgot Walter Reed!
plus a whole lot more.
now to line them up with the institutions they attack, wing up some chronological order.
Why do these BushCos hate America?
The White House will be reading these numbers and be worrying. It should give the Senate Committee a little more energy(except for Hatch) in tomorrow’s questioning.
From the LA Times/Bloomberg Poll:
Poll Link
Safavian was represented, with spectacular unsuccess, by one of Fred Fielding’s former partners.
Once again, how can anyone with a brain conclude that impeachment isn’t appropriate given the massive criminal fraud that this administration has committed every damn day for the past six years and four months.
Once again, is there a felony offense in the United States Code that these jerks haven’t violated? Bush & Cheney have stolen two elections, raped the Constitution, institutionalized lying and purchasing influence on an unprecedented scale, enriched themselves and their friends beyond measure at the expense of our troops, outed a covert CIA operative to punish her husband who had the temerity to criticize them for lying the country into a ghastly war without end, and deliberately destroyed evidence of their crimes.
What is it going to take to get Speaker Pelosi and the Congress to impeach these bastards?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 20
YUM YUM YUM!
Thank you Christy!
RevDeb @
15
From Novakula, NYPost:
OK, the wing nuts are now looking to show Abu the door.
He’s toast.
Pade @ 26
Wow.
bobbyg “at” bgladd “dot” com
I’m also slumming on MySpace, BTW.
And my main page is here.
Hey Teddy!!
Even one day gives Chimpy an opportunity. No more recess until 2009!
Oklahoma kiddo @
13
Respectfully, I must disagree.
The “baddest apple” is the President.
Bush is just there for photos.
I knew there was a reason I have been waiting for Ralstons testimony. I knew she was Roves aide, I had forgotten she was Abramoffs before that.
BWWWWAAAAHHHAAAAAHAAA
Breaking News: At least 20 people are dead and 28 people being treated for gunshot wounds on Virginia Tech Campus.
My heart goes out to the families of the people who have been killed and injured.
This is very sad state of affairs for America. When you send your child off to college (or school) you should not have to worry about violence on campus.
Waxman’s letter to RNC about meeting the requested timeline for document production, from Friday, April 13, 2007:Waxman to RNC
This kind of stuff makes me blazing hot:
From Newsweek:
April 23, 2007 issue – Most everyone agrees that a precipitous American withdrawal from Iraq would be disastrous. Fewer people realize it may be impossible.
Oh, God.
jinny @
57
CNN reports 22 dead including the gunman.
OT, but interesting post on Just World News about how the much-mocked idea of a “War Czar” may be an attempt by the Cheneyites to bypass Gates, who is daring to have ideas of his own. From a Baker and Ricks WaPo article, there’s an amazing quote from a strategy memo that none other than Newt Gingrich apparently sent to the White House:
So Gingrich is apparently planning to go with a defense of “if only those Pentagon bureaucrats weren’t getting in the way of our brilliant president telling the generals what to do” as his excuse for why the Surge™ failed (as a supplement to the primary “blame the Democrats” defense, I’m sure.)
Poor people at VA Tech. This is just awful. My prayers are with them.
The official count, according to police, is 22 dead at Virginia Tech.
LS @ 63
My wife’s sister is on the faculty, we are in touch now.
Raygun spent billions tellin young people not to do drugs- they did drugs anyway..
Having learned nothing at all from Ronnie’s boondoggle- Clusterfuck has spent billions tellin kids not ta fuck. They fuck anyway..
For conservatives, it’s really not important if the thing works- it’s only important that the money get spent with gooper suppliers and that they are all ready to say “Well- we were on the right side of THAT one–teen age fuckin- what a crime”.
Oh. My. God.
I can’t imagine what’s going on at VA Tech right now. Thoughts and prayers to all touched by this senseless tragedy.
Thought it was one dead and twenty some wounded at tech.
Make that “at least” 22 dead and 28 injured at Virginia Tech.
rwcole @ 68
Nope 22 now including the gunman.
Redshift @ 62
Sounds as if Rummy’s been busy in his time off. Cheney and Rummy get together at their weekend estates and swap tales across the back fence, and one of the two of `em calls up Newtie to put the pressure on. “See, George, what a great idea this war czar business is.”
It’s like the definition of a circle jerk.
STTP in Ohio @ 55
But the ‘buck stops’ at the desk of the Commandar in Chief. I thought. ;0)
raven @ 65
Terrifying.
RevDeb @
54
Yeah, and he can even get his WarCzar on, should RGJoe mistakenly craft that new position to require confirmation:
Hi Rev!
raven @ 40
AP is saying 21 dead. Link
RevDeb @ 54
Well, recess was always George’s best subject
raven @ 70
Sure to be another rotten story behind this.
montag @ 77
one would suspect
jinny @ 57
Dear God. But thank you for telling us.
Elliott @ 76
Well, there’s today’s quote of the day.
VT is where I did much of my undergrad work. I happen to have a very high quality photo of Norris Hall, where I understand some of this went down. Shall I post it?
twolf1 @ 61
Oh how terrible! Hope your SIL is all right LS!
yellowdog jim @
39
thanks everyone.
How about Faith Based Learning? I forget the name of former head who recently came out and said the Bushies mocked the Far Right Christianists.
Let’s also not forget Ted Haggard was George W. Bush’s personal 3rd wave coach. Be Afraid, be very afraid.
First official act. Cutting off family planning funding to 3rd world countries because it might relieve abortion budgets, which of course increased the likelihood of same abortions. A ticket straight to Hell if there ever was one.
First official broken campaign promise. Back pedal on reducing “carbon bonoxide”.
Not sure is some of these are what you are looking for but I feel better! Have a great week.
Any word on what happened at VA Tech, as in how this could have happened?
At least the killer wasn’t deprived of his right to bear arms.
From within…….as the nation’s resources and energies have been focused on Iraq, the crumbling from within continues apace.
-GSD
Mason@49
What is it going to take to get Speaker Pelosi and the Congress to impeach these bastards?
The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that Pelosi is playing this perfectly.
She had to know that with oversight, scandals were certain to surface. Heck we knew it sitting in our bathrobes!
By decreeing “Impeachment is off the table” that stopped the right wing noise machine in it’s tracks.
Now when the overwhelming evidence comes to light (as it already is) she can say “I didn’t push for this, but we can’t ignore the will of the people or the blatant criminality of the White House”
Brilliant!
LJ/Aquaria at 84 — No idea as yet, from all reports that I have seen.
LJ/Aquaria @ 82
We just talked to her, she normally goes in very early but didn’t because of income taxes.
Aquaria 82, It is Raven’s SIL.
David Kuo
IrishJim @ 75
Now it’s 22 dead. This is horrible. My neighbor’s son is a freshman at VA Tech.
My thoughts and prayers go out to all the students and their families.
STTP in Ohio @ 87
Yep, that’s what I saw that gambit as.
Too bad too many on the left saw it as lack of resolve instead of prudent gamesmanship.
-GSD
rwcole @ 85
Cops say “no assumptions”.
Clusterrfuck ain’t gonna be impeached:
1) He has less than two years left
2) There is no ONE issue that has the support of the american people for impeachment.
3) Dems don’t have the votes to do it.
4) If he is impeached- Cheney is prez and some other gooper is selected to be VP and the prince in waiting. With Clusterfuck in office- dems are winning the political war of vomit daily.
Clusterfuck will NOT be impeached- take it to the bank!!
Now, let us put this horrible incident into perspective vis a vis Iraq.
The whole democracy is untidy crowd has been pooh-poohing tragedies that make this seem like a small matter day in day out for years now.
-GSD
GSD @ 93
She had to play it this way because if Chimpy and Darth are deposed, she is next in line for the throne. She couldn’t overtly run and talk about impeachment.
The question is what will be the tipping point at which the gopers finally realize that it will be in their best interest to get rid of W. and Darth. It would seem that the weight on the scales is getting heavier.
raven @ 94
I was responding to the question above, sorry.
GSD @ 93
Well, I saw it that way too for a week or so, but I fear that she may have been serious.
RevDeb @ 52
Deb — that’s the Bruce Fein, Bob Barr, et al group. There’s a larger story in Time — (link at HuffPo)
GSD @ 96
I’m sorry but that is just silly.
Earlier this morning a student reported that a person was handcuffed and taken into custody. Now the police say they think there was only one shooter, but at the end of the press conference, I heard someone ask, “And one in custody?” – but they cut off the press conference right then. So, there may be another one in custody. We’ll see.
STTP in Ohio:
More like she was able to judge the way the status quo was and knew the move to keep the MSM Noise Machine off their backs. But it’s still a very skillfull move on her part.
Now to just wait long enough until the people themselves call for BuschCo and Darth Cheney’s resignation and/or impeachment.
I’d rather have the impeachment so niether one of them could hold office again. ANY public office.
clusterfuck has butchered 63 troops in the first two weeks of the month- the little piss ant is goin fer another world record..
rwcole @ 95
rw,
you may be right but i am going to push for impeachment and keep pushing for it until fuckwad is in his grave. and i think people ought to scream for it until the greasy little fart is pissing his pants and hiding behind cheneycakes.
rwcole @ 85
well see now, none of this would have happened if EVERYONE carried guns
The present administration is silly and pathetic.
Nearly 70% of Americans think Bush is a failure. The rest of the world views us with distrust and resentment. New enemies have been made where understanding might have been realized. All things domestic have been politicized, while our freedoms have been trampled and the Constitution gutted. The stench emanating from the WH and DoJ is of the diarrhea variety. The only support the president has comes from those who are profiting from the ruination of our country- and, of course, the ignorant who have no intelligence through which to filter propaganda. Thus, he plays to an audience consisting of racists, bigots,and fundies, on one hand, and the filthy-rich on the other.
The true irony (in hindsight) exists in the question: If the plane had hit the WH on 9-11,
would they be patriots or terrorists?
bwaahaaahaaa!
in going through the Fisher links, I see Mr. Moschella was the DOJ point man/Fisher apologist . . . . and something tells me Senator Levin has not forgotten
Christy,
I think I asked this the other day but it may have been EPU’d. Is there anyway or something stopping Waxman from sending a subpoena to Abramahoff and getting him under oath in front of the klieg lights? I’d think it would go a long way to putting Alice Fisher on the spot. Especially with the moves to get his sentence reduced. Just wonderin’.
Christy,
Can we separate these threads, or at least start a new one for the Virginia Tech tragedy?
Thanks.
raven @ 94
Oh, well, that’s helpful.
STTP in Ohio @ 87
I agree. This was her plan all along. Still, when asked, she sticks to her answer, to the point that people have stopped asking. When the call is loud, nonpartisan, and overwhelming, she will reluctantly allow the House to act. Until the GOP pleads for her to reset the table, they must suffer daily the indignities these louts bring down upon themselves.
A slow drip, drip is the best way to ruin the GOP brand. Unfortunately, people are dying, but there’s very little Nancy Pelosi can do about that. Getting out in front results in the coverage like the Syria trip.
i’ll admit to feeling uncharitable
here — but it is frustrating to
me that tomorrow’s papers, and
t.v. news outlets will now likely
relegate gonzales to a footnote,
after the wall-to-wall coverage
of this unspeakbly awful tragedy
at vignia tech university. . .
Yeah- if everyone was packin- and if every state had the Florida law that allows you to blow anyone away who makes you feel creepy- well hell- we could cure the population problem.
Guns are God’s way of gettin rid of humans since he promised no more floods.
nolo @ 113
That will probably be the case, but Gonzo will testify, and we will follow it.
scarecrow @ 100
Well, Barr turned down the Kool-Aid a while ago. Still, the article responded to Abu’s vacuity in the 25 pages of nonsense he submitted to the committee. I don’t see how he comes out of this with his job, but anything is possible within the Bush Crime Family.
Raph Levien @ 81
Here’s the photo. For some reason, Flickr downsized it to 1024×768. Do I have to sign up for a pay account to get larger scans posted? It’s a medium format shot, so the original captures the detail of the brickwork, etc.
STTP in Ohio @ 87
I agree with you, she’s effectively shrewd!
PELOSI 2007
rwcole @ 114
Well, that and the tobacco industry.
rwcole @ 95
I agree that the Chimpenfuhrer will not be impeached. But nothing like a LONG string of investigations with new revelations coming out daily/weekly until he leaves office. Would go a long ways towards creating filibuster and veto proof majorities and marginalizing the Republics to a southern bound/minority party as the logical end result to the TRickster’s “southern Strategy.”
RevDeb @ 67
I can. I’m from Littleton, Colorado.
Blind panic, anger, fear, worry, grief, disgust,greed, sorrow, opportunism, rage, blame. You name it, you got it. I’m turning off the tv now and going back to bed for a good cry. My advise to you all: acknowlege their tragedy, and move on. Every vulture and their Uncle Vulture is going to ooze out of the woodwork now wearing soilicitous faces with avid eyes and pious, insincere offers of commiseration, taking advantage of this communitys’ tragedy and grief to press their own agenda.
Please respect that this is about them, not about how we can inject ourselves into their tragedy.
The above is my plea to the MSM and the politicians, and isn’t necessarily directed at our puppies, who have more compassion and better manners, I think. I love you guys.
rwcole @ 114
Every totalitarian regime disarms the citizens in order to exert control. The second amendment is there for just that purpose.
It’s little kids who need ta be packin the most- there are people EVERYWHERE makin little kids feel creepy- they oughta be able ta blow those people away- just like daddy- and why should the biggest kid always get all the lunch money- if all the kids are packin- it would be an equal opportunity for shake downs.. and what an incentive ta get rid of bad teachers- jest blow em away..
I value the second amendment only slightly less than a nuclear holocaust to make the world right.
Bil @ 83
excellent.
exactly what i need.
Selise pointed me to Hugh’s List.
it is great, But i don’t believe he has the Faith-Based Initiative Office boondoggle where the agency head wrote a book.
and the Kyoto Treaty: another great catch.
thanks.
exactly!
that’s what got me going.
you have a great one too.
I find it difficult to believe that one person could have killed 21 people and wounded 28 before committing suicide, or getting killed by the cops.
LS @ 102
I watched that Press Conference. They also pointed out that the shootings were two hours apart and are treating them separately.
How horrible. My prayers are with the families and friends of VT.
LS @ 115
as will i. and there is good
reason to believe that much more
will happen around friday, the 20th
about gonzales — by then, he may
again be front-page news. . .
or, does rove/cheney throw gonzo under
the bus, right now — so he’s in between
all the post-columbine analogy pieces. . .?
this is just awful — the whole damn thing.
conniptionfit @ 121
Amen. Well said.
conniptionfit @ 121
Yes, there will be shameless exploitation. Count on that. I promise you that it’s already starting, because naked opportunism for ratings is all our TV “news” networks know how to do.
Fresh thread on the Virginia Tech shooting. Don’t know much at this point other than sketchy details, but I thought everyone would want space to talk about it.
Mason @ 125
You don’t know much about guns do you?
Mason @ 125
Why? The police spokesman is saying that the shooter had an automatic weapon. Plenty easy to shoot that many in just a couple minutes.
LS
Pretty funny–to assume that the second amendment was put in there ta guarantee yer next door neighbor the right to carry heat…
If read that way- then it would be unconstitutional to keep me from havin an 88 mm artillery piece or a personal nuclear weapon- cause there’s no language in the constitution to LIMIT the word “arms”.
I think it’s a great idea- americans could wipe each other off the face of the country.
. . .and if Congressional Repubs were smart, they’d pull the trigger on impeachment just to get all the coverage to go away and give them a fighting chance in 08 to say “well yeah, but we cleaned that up”
The church lady crowd are clutchering their pearls and setting their sights on blaming Marilyn Manson or D&D (or both) in 5, 4, 3, 2….
yellowdog jim @ 36
The only difference between Jeff Gannon and the MSM is………..the hourly rate!
Gotta say it. Darwin Award should be given at VTech. CNN showing video taken by some bystander. WTF.
rwcole @ 133
Well apparently not all fire dogs have more compassion and better manners.
Guy explains why he “just said no” ta bein war czar.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..inionsbox1
rwcole @ 114
Not so sure about that. 8-1/2″ in Central Park, NYC.
TeddySanFran@112
A slow drip, drip is the best way to ruin the GOP brand. Unfortunately, people are dying, but there’s very little Nancy Pelosi can do about that. Getting out in front results in the coverage like the Syria trip.
Exactly!
The non-flap re: her airplane “request” shows us you don’t even have to be “out in front” to get smeared with nonsense.
But the good news is, (drum roll, please!)
It’s over.
It’s finally over.
We’ve got more squintin’ to do as the sunlight shines in and disinfects.
But it’s over.
I will not, WILL NOT, turn on the tube today! Silence in prayer is powerful.
A crosspost post from the Democratic Partybuilder Presidential2008 listserve;
Are ‘gun control’ dirty words for Dems?
To the BlueDogs, maybe…
Howard Dean has an interesting perspective on this issue, and I tend to agree, there’s a Dodge City, Matt Dillon mentality that says any concentration of people, from a small town up to the big cities, needs different laws than the countryside around them.
But his VA tragedy, like Columbine, only underscores the need to make sure the crazies aren’t the gun toters.
Should there be a law where members of any community could come together and determine who really shouldn’t have guns?
Maybe we have spent too much time worrying about who “should” have guns and not enough worrying about who “shouldn’t” have guns.
As a former hunting guide and outfitter, (who no longer hunts,) I can attest to both characters, and unfortunately, the “gun nuts” tended to be “nuts” in general, the very kind of people whose neighbors typically would not trust to own one gun, let alone an arsenal, if they had a say in it.
Those who use guns as a recreational tool, or as a collectible investment, are not the ones I would be concerned with, it is the ones who own mini-arsenals and weapons that they could never use for anything but this type of destruction.
Serious outfitters tend to refer to these rogues as “the AK47 crowd.”
And those outfitters are not very happy when shooters show up for a hunt with a weapon of war, instead of bona fide hunting arms.
These “gunheads” tend to expose themselves quite openly, fondling their weapons like sex toys. I do not exaggerate to be funny, this is not snark, it is an absolute fact. Some people worship weapons just like a teenybopper might treat a pop-idol or rock-star.
Unfortunately, so often, people who knew “the shooter” in these tragedies would never have suggested they should own a gun, but also never had the opportunity to suggest, to any official authority involved in vetting gun owners, who “shouldn’t” have guns.
If enough people in a community fear that an individual is too unstable to own a gun, there should be some measures they can take to make sure their public safety matters more than that unstable person’s right to bear firearms.
Again, I’m not talking about some blanket prohibition, I say let the village vote, or have some say, about just who owns the handguns in their territory.
I suggest that if you want to own a gun, your neighbors, family and friends should have a say in that decision.
JEP
I say this is a must read
Dengre’s dairy
I will be convinced that Pelosi is as shrewed as she is being painted when she proves she can be as neutral toward Palestinians as she is toward Israelis.
How quickly people jump to embrace politicians – Pelosi, Obama – as saviors with proof as thin as a gossamer -
VA Tech. Close the school early. Finals online.
Mercy.
Somebody said “Terrifying”. Yep. That’s the idea.
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Was ready to add the Smithsonian (I didn’t look to see if Hugh has added it, yet.) The link is from the UVA student paper:
http://www.cavalierdaily.com/C…..p;pid=1569
lede:
I like this student’s writing.
Can’t they get the “golf organizer” for something? I hate to see an incomplete lineup of convictions.
yellowdog jim @ 25
While this doesn’t exactly qualify as a scandal, it really pissed me off circa 2000.
EPA – increased allowable levels of arsenic in drinking water. Reversing Clinton’s EPA recommended lower levels.
Never leave a gooper close to an unguarded wallet.
raven @ 94
It’s mid April. Was this the Va Tech gunmen’s special homage to Columbine, McVeigh, Koresh, et al? How many rounds of ammo does one need to inflict 50 casualties, and how in the hell does this get on to the campus without someone seeing something odd in advance? We routinely countenance confiscation of someones’s 4 oz. tube of toothpaste at the airport, but suggest that firearms ought to be better regulated and you’re suddenly a branded totalitarian.
cbl @ 134
That is a very big “IF”
JEP, Thank you for that perspective.
It’s true that goopers (as a whole) would benefit greatly from Clusterfuck’s impeachment- but goopers (as individual candidates) would never win re-election if they voted for it..They need ta have the dems do it TOO em- but the dems ain’t..
“Who will save me from this nightmare”
nolo @ 127
Nolo, what could happen around the 20th?
Elliot 144,
Absolutely. It is the motherlode.
Did anybody notice in the Metcalf article/interview he said that it was harder to find good people under a Rethuglican regime than Dem? Let’s hope that extends to aids and reps and Senators – that the Dems are smarter people and can get these idiots fitted properly for their orange jumpsuits.
Jesus B. Ochoa @ 145
Whoa!
“Embrace” is a little farther than I was going.
The point of my post was to comment on her strategy, not serve up a ringing endorsement of all she has/hasn’t done.
That said, I do think she’s done a decent job to this point- it’s obviously still early.
conniptionfit @
121
Cover your heart with both hands and you will feel lots of love coming to you. Be strong, crying can be very cleansing, but let love fill your heart and you will have the strength to overcome any tragedy.
In Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11, he showed that Canadians have more guns per capita, yet our rate of gun- related violence is a pittance compared to the U.S.
One of the casualties of Bush’s illegal wars is that resources were diverted from reducing gun- violence and all other crimes. That and MORE children being left behind, which leads them to crime and violence. Banning guns or giving everyone a gun will not solve violence, teaching people how to co- exist and respect others as we do in Canada (and Western Europe) is the only answer.
Jesus B. Ochoa @ 145
I wasn’t a fan of Pelosi, wasn’t thrilled she was Speaker at first. But I’ve been watching what she does and how she’s doing it and I now believe she’s a very shrewd person.
oceanbreeze @ 148
EPA! good one.
thanks.
Speaker of the House is third in line to the Presidency, behind only Smirky and Roachman.
Pelosi had to take Impeachment ‘off the table’ or risk looking self-serving.
She does, however, appear to be doing a better job of supporting the Iraq Study Group recommendations than Bush…
And that’s why the Goopers howled at her Syria trip – she was looking too ‘Presidential.’
I continue to support the Speaker.
yellowdog jim @ 25
NIH…restriction on stem cell research
EPA…political censorship of scientific presentations and publications
FDA…delay on Plan B, pending approval of bovine antibiotic cefquinome despite vote of Advisory Committee about safety risk to humans due to development of disease resistance
CDC…censorship of scientific presentations and publications, lame-ass posting of link between abortion and breast cancer even though disproven
Elliott @ 159
Ditto to that, Elliot, I was not necessarily a Pelosi fan before, but after her first 100 days, and this courageous trip to the middle east, I put her right up on my personal list of Heroes of Democracy, with Elizabeth Edwards (no explanation necessary), Barbara Boxer (for standing up to the Senate’s badmen in the 2004 election fraud), Russ Feingold (for his courageous and prescient vote against the war) Dennis Kucinich (for constantly and consistently standing up for the common man) and Tom Harkin (lifetime achievement award).
I have never heard Pelosi demean Palestinians, or diminish their plight, or defend Israeli aggression (Rev. 2, Ch 9) that causes so much Palestinian suffering.
Her admonition against terrorism is much more in the Mairead Maguire or Mahatma Ghandi vein that it is pro-Israeli.
Some people need to understand, just because we want peace in the Middle East does not make us anti-Palestinian. If peace-makers are considered enemies of Israel OR Palestine, someone read their Bible stories wrong, or got some very bad advice from a lousy preacher.
JEP @ 164
Elliott @ 154
i think gonzales will
resign or be fired on
that afternoon, call it
5:30 pm eastern. . .
Oops, sorry for the rare double post, I left off one of the important names on my list…
appreciate the doggies’ indulgence…
Jesus B. Ochoa @ 145
JEP @ 164
have you read her speeches to a*p*c?
sorry, speaker pelosi doesn’t qualify, yet, as a peace maker.
i’m still hoping though.
Let’s hope they had a chat about these gems:
“Damn it, it was not supposed to go in the White House system . . .”
–Jack Abramoff writing to Susan Ralston
“I now have an RNC blackberry which you can use to e-mail me at any time. No security issues like my WH email.”
–Susan Ralston writing to Jack Abramoff
Why can’t the WH see that Rove is at the center of 98% of their problems (outside of the Iraq war & maybe there, too)?
Are they afraid if he leaves the administration he turns state’s evidence?
It’s got to be something like that…
rxbusa @
163
thanks!
i’m writing these down.
I do have to say, I wish the Speaker would come out four-square for a Palestinian homeland. The Israeli government holds too much sway over our politicians. It’s outrageous! And if Senator Clinton is the next prez, I don’t hold out much hope for change in the situation.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 172
one of the sad things about the right-wing smearing of pelosi’s trip to syria is that discrediting the smear got in the way of a real analysis of her words and actions – and what we think.
reminds me of the bill clinton years – all the bs (whitewater, monica,…) got in the way of dems really giving a good critique of his policies (nafta, media consolidation, and foreign policy).
we need to learn to walk and chew gum!
Johnny Lib @
170
He knows EVERYTHING about EVERYBODY in the WH….a lot of it wouldn’t even qualify as state’s evidence.
Lou Costello @
8
Yes! We need those 750,000 messages investigated! At least made available to the committees of Waxman, Leahy & Conyers!
Bob in HI
nolo @ 166
i think gonzales will
resign or be fired on
that afternoon, call it
5:30 pm eastern. . .
I know you’ll prob never see this but THANKS!
having toobZ troubles today
rwcole @
139
Wow! Have you read this link? The guy was considered properly qualified and presumably loyal enough to be a candidtae for War Czar and he comes straight out and says they don’t know what they are doing. What are the talkng points on that I wonder.
Sunshine. And a burning glass…
My head swims with this mess. What is needed in the long run is a public website which connects all the dots to all these folks so that in 5-20 years from now we can go back and immediately find out their connection in subverting the Constitution for personal or political gain. That, and continuous contempt for reporters who’s view of history is what is dictated to them by their anonymous sources. Oh, and a new professional pledge by reporters to immediately expose sources which publicly contradict their private statements, unless the source immediately contact the reporter that their were misquoted, and a correction issued, etc. Probably something else to go into this website of connections is the background and typical bias and failings of reporters.
“All this time, the multiple debriefings with Abramoff and various other Bush Admnistration officials and Republican staffers…and we know no more about Jack and his web of political cronies than we did several months ago. And we have little to no indictments to show for it.”
So: Abramoff takes one for the team, the investigation is shit-canned, and then Bush hands Jack his get-out-of-jail-free card in January 2009. (Head-slap moment.)
Nice picture! Here I sit in my gloomy office, licking the envelope addressed to the IRS. Sigh… I picked the wrong fucking business!
Whyrwcole @ 95
Why do some people here sound like they have Stockholm Syndrome?
Bay State Librul @
5
Yeah, except Shakespeare was competent. Personally, I think he would have done it as a comedy, complete with cross-dressing (Giuliani, anyone?).
However, it is certainly Byzantine enough to have come from the Tudors.
Don’t forget the joyriding fundraisers who accidentally killed a bunch of Japanese students during a submarine ride at the beginning of Bush’s first term — I’m sure it fits in here somewhere.