
(Photo of elephant trunk via Greg George.)
UPDATE: The DoJ has pre-released AG Gonzales' opening statement to the Senate Judiciary Committee in advance of the April 17th hearing. C-Span has it in full here. (PDF) Thought everyone would want a peek at it.
What do you get when you fill the government with people whose primary interest is in getting ahead — and not in fulfilling their job obligations for the long-term benefit of the American public? You get a self-dealing mess:
Actually, I began earlier, in the first Nixon administration, as a college intern in 1971. But I was there again in the Watergate era, when I worked in part of the Attorney General's Office during my first year of law school in 1973-1974, and then continuously as a trial attorney and office director for nearly 30 years. That adds up to more than a dozen attorneys general, including Ed Meese as well as John Mitchell, and I used to think that they had politicized the department more than anyone could or should. But nothing compares to the past two years under Alberto Gonzales.
To be sure, he continued a trend of career/noncareer separation that began under John Ashcroft, yet even Ashcroft brought in political aides who in large measure were experienced in government functioning. Ashcroft's Justice Department appointees, with few exceptions, were not the type of people who caused you to wonder what they were doing there. They might not have been firm believers in the importance of government, but generally speaking, there was a very respectable level of competence (in some instances even exceptionally so) and a relatively strong dedication to quality government, as far as I could see.
Under Gonzales, though, almost immediately from the time of his arrival in February 2005, this changed quite noticeably. First, there was extraordinary turnover in the political ranks, including the majority of even Justice's highest-level appointees. It was reminiscent of the turnover from the second Reagan administration to the first Bush administration in 1989, only more so. Second, the atmosphere was palpably different, in ways both large and small. One need not have had to be terribly sophisticated to notice that when Deputy Attorney General Jim Comey left the department in August 2005 his departure was quite abrupt, and that his large farewell party was attended by neither Gonzales nor (as best as could be seen) anyone else on the AG's personal staff.
Third, and most significantly for present purposes, there was an almost immediate influx of young political aides beginning in the first half of 2005 (e.g., counsels to the AG, associate deputy attorneys general, deputy associate attorneys general, and deputy assistant attorneys general) whose inexperience in the processes of government was surpassed only by their evident disdain for it.
Having seen this firsthand in a range of different situations for nearly two years before I retired, I found it not at all surprising that the recent U.S. Attorney problems arose in the first place and then were so badly mishandled once they did. (emphasis mine)
This is part of an extraordinary interview for The Legal Times that appears online at Law.com. Several readers sent me the link to this, and I'm grateful to them for it. It is quite a read, stunning in its discussion of the attitudes of the Bushistas who came in to the DoJ — and other government agencies — with the aim to advance their careers, and with a disdain for all things governing. Not the best of combinations, is it?
Alberto Gonzales has an op-ed in the WaPo today in an attempt to do pre-testimonial CYA. Emptywheel has ably deconstructed it this morning. And, via TPM, I find a great article from McClatchy that delves even further into the politicization question — and the damage this hint of taint can do to the notions of fairness and justice.
Philip Heymann, a Harvard law professor and former deputy attorney general under Reno, said the Justice Department has always been vulnerable to allegations of playing politics with prosecutions.
"But these allegations are vastly greater and more credible," Heymann said. "Really good attorney generals go out of their way to keep appearances straight as well as realities. I think something serious has been going on, and I think it's terribly important that it come out.
"If politicians were going to the White House and saying they didn't want this or that case brought, and the White House was letting the U.S. attorneys know by firing them, it would be terribly immoral and destructive."
He is absolutely correct that the only way to purge this taint is for everything to come out — and I mean everything, on all sides of this. Because the nation's judicial system is too important a part of a healthy government to do otherwise — and our representatives in Washington need to understand that it isn't just the political implications at stake here, but the very foundations of our government.
If you ask me, all roads lead to Rove: (H/T to reader WB for the link)
Karl Rove and other White House employees were cautioned in employee manuals, memos and briefings to carefully save any e-mails that might discuss official matters even if those messages came from private e-mail accounts, the White House disclosed Friday.
Despite these cautions, e-mails from Rove and others discussing official business may have been deleted and are now missing….
However, some of those RNC accounts were used to discuss official matters, including the firing of eight federal prosecutors, which has triggered investigations on Capitol Hill. Democrats contend that politics was improperly inserted into Justice Department decision-making about which attorneys should leave.
Though official White House e-mail is automatically preserved in accord with the Presidential Records Act, e-mail that was used by the employees with RNC accounts was not always saved.
President Bush has given Rove and his merry band of malignant political hacks free rein to do whatever they please with the halls of government, so long as the results of these actions give him what he wants — power. This ends justfies the means method of governance is designed to do one thing, and one thing only: keep George Bush happy. The fact that a few rules and regulations had to be trampled in the process? Well, that's just collateral damage, isn't it?
This morning, Anonymous Liberal at C&L walks through all the various permutations of the legal and ethical requirements on this. And what it adds up to for me is that this was a deliberate choice to evade oversight and public scrutiny. Using outside e-mail addresses to discuss all the more controversial plans and machinations, with the thought being that no one outside your political operative wing would ever see them? Welcome to Smarmville.
In Gonzales, the White House political shop installed a pliant enabler, whose inability to manage his stapler was exceeded only by his ability to be led by the nose by political operatives installed in positions below him. Gonzales is Harriett Miers without the greeting card franchise.
And those of us in America who care not only about the competence, honesty and intellect of our nation's top law enforcement officials have had to sit back and watch the Department of Justice languish into sinking mediocrity and political machinations. It has been painful, indeed, but most difficult of all for those lifetime civil servants who have been fleeing the DoJ in droves, just as we saw a previous flight in the purge of the CIA ranks of all those analysts and agents who might have had the temerity to think for themselves or to dare to present conflicting or honest opinions to the White House staff. And at any number of other agencies as well. That Gonzales would enable this disgusting politicization at all levels of the DoJ is nothing short of disgusting. But he is far from the only person who ought to be held responsible for it.
In short, what we are seeing is a federal government remade in George Bush's image: seeing only what it wants to see, finding a way to manipulate the data to pretend it is getting the results it longs to hear…and failing utterly to actually govern with any level of competence. And those depleted ranks are now filled with people whose idea of the "best President ever" is Goerge Bush. This sucks.
Bring on the sunshine. Now.
PS — And while I'm asking questions this morning, this is really bugging me: If, as Gold Bars Luskin says, Rove didn't think he was doing anything wrong by repeatedly deleting e-mails or having someone else do it for him. And if the RNC didn't think there was anything wrong with it either. Why on earth would the RNC go through the trouble of setting up a system designed to cache each and every one of Rove's e-mail seperate and apart from everyone else in the entire system so that those e-mails would stop getting deleted altogether? Why just Rove? Why deem that important? I mean, if it wasn't a big deal and all, why put yourself through the trouble — and why have to do so only for Rove, if there was no deliberate action going on, why would you have to design a whole system solely to make sure that Karl Rove's e-mails didn't keep disappearing? Hmmmm?
Seems to me if you put your tech folks through the trouble of designing an internal safety mechanism to prevent outside actors from deleting things off your system, you've identified a security risk. That this risk appears to have centered around Karl Rove's emails — and Rove's e-mails ALONE — then that ought to raise an awful lot of questions in an awful lot of people's minds. But perhaps the computer folks among us can enlighten me otherwise.



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Zed, zud, zitz
Come back to us, Fitz!
These guys are right out of the Nixon playbook in terms of politics, lying and filthy tricks. It’s Watergate all over again. Only a whole lot worse. And Gonzales tells us he has “nothing to hide”. “I am not a crook”, redux.
Christy!
Christie, I think we need to ask the RNC about exactly how they back up their servers. Info to be provided by the tech that does it.
It boggles my mind that they wouldn’t do it en masse to system images that are restorable by date for whatever the archive period is. They are too tempting a target and their “mission” to “important” to allow much exposure to mail loss.
Get Rove UNDER OATH!!
It is absolutely creepy how these bastards have destroyed the DOJ and any semblance of governmental integrity.
Don Imus will not be commenting on this news.
punaise @ 6
Don “HO” Imus?
Rove’s day in court is an absolute must.
I want impeachment hearings back on the table.
Excellent post Christy! They took over the government for their own gain and that of their friends, and don’t care if they destroy the nation and the planet in the process.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 9
You and most of the American people I bet.
Last week, I posted about my “bit part” in the analysis of the “18 and a half-minute gap” Watergate White House tape and its relationship to the current “putatively lost WH emails” scandal, “DogAteGate.”
There has been a suggestion (I’ve not seen a link yet) that Congress might already have physical custody of Monica Goodling’s computer. If a so-called “smoking gun” email or file were found therein, that could be the ballgame, especially if one more disk or file is found somewheres else with Cc’s of some of the same msgs. (A single so-called “smoking gun” collection of bits might be a forgery… But logical congruence despite different provenance would in mind virtually prove a common origin — and the more such converging operations, so much the merrier.)
I envy (and kinda pity) the techies to whom Congress will entrust this investigation. They’ll be walking into a white-hot technological and political crucible. I know this because when the Nixon WH was gobsmacked with our “Panel of Experts”’s findings on the 18.5-minute-gap Watergate tape, things got pretty dicey awfully fast.
All of us had been jointly chosen by mutual consent between the Special Prosecutor and the WH, and were thus presumed to be to the taste of both sides and the late Judge John Sirica.
But when our report showed the WH to be liars, their Chief Counsel, the late James St. Clair, got up in Court and said “Your Honor, it’s time for us to retain our own experts!” to which the leader of our team, the late Dick Bolt, drew his patrician frame up to its full six-foot-one and retorted: “But Your Honor, I thought WE were your experts!”
But St. Clair harrumphed in his Barrister-y way and insisted on his right to go with another bunch of techies, this one mainly from the Stanford Research Institute IIRC. “We’ve got nothing to hide,” we said; and we told them everything we knew. Then we re-connected our computers to the nascent ArpaNet (we’d disconnected for the duration of our investigation, just for caution’s sake) and FTP’d them every one of our data and commentary files and all of our physical notes.
And then … wait for it… the SRI Team ended up finding yet more ironclad proof of WH skullduggery with the evidence! So St. Clair and the WH lawyers were neatly hoist by their own petard. It was a beautiful thing to contemplate. They must have been SO pissed.
Godspeed to whomever is tapped to do the scientific/engineering work in this crucial case.
We need a few Sudafeds:
bringing litigation against a government
official, to wit Rover and Gonzo…
Thanks Christy!
I love your meaty posts!
TPM
Isn’t that convenient? Emails started disappearing at the same time we started the war in Iraq. I wonder what those emails said?
This “administration” has such mind-boggling contempt for anything that smacks of good government/governance, it is almost beyond words. Politics is only a game to be played and if it is good for the Republics and The Chimpenfuhrer, well it has to be good for the country because the country IS the Chimpenfuhrer.
I can’t believe I’m about to say this, but doesn’t the idea of “re-education camps” sound good about now? These people need total refreshers on separation of church and state, non-partisan vs. partisan, good government, how to govern for the good of all, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and each and every amendment. Jeebus.
Seems to me if you put your tech folks through the trouble of designing an internal safety mechanism to prevent outside actors from deleting things off your system, you’ve identified a security risk. That this risk appears to have centered around Karl Rove’s emails — and Rove’s e-mails ALONE — then that ought to raise an awful lot of questions in an awful lot of people’s minds. But perhaps the computer folks among us can enlighten me otherwise.
Subpoena the IT people who manage the email servers. It’s the only way to know for sure what the management directives were and who issued them.
Is Rove the only one who had email mysteriously disappeared?
Any data on the turnover rate at other agencies and departments?
Kevster @ 5
I was watchin’ a bit of Faux News the other day, with Fred BarnYard, Moron Kondracke, Charles SauerKrauthammer, and that ridiculous anchor dude with the comb-over. They were just’a blabbin’ on about how the Democrats were pissed that they couldn’t “get” Rove via the Libby trial, and this RNC email “fishing expedition” was simply their next gambit in the wrongful pursuit of Rover.
That there was “no evidence of any wrongdoing.” Well, YEAH, assholes, ‘cuz they’ve tried to delete all of it.
.
tbsa @ 17
You have the right idea there. Get the IT professionals under oath. My guess is that some of them were hired for their competence and not simply their voting records and loyalty pledges.
Want to talk about lip smackingly tasty? The Special Prosecutor prosecuting “the” prosecutor (AG).
Elliott at 14 — happy to oblige — you are most welcome. :)
This is the clearest buoy-marker yet for this
admin’s loathing for bi-partisan behavior. If you are not shamelessly craven in your Bush adoration, you are toast.
The Bush Administration more generally, not just as the DOJ, has been operating outside the rules and laws of our government. Their goal has been to shift as much power to the Republican Party and GW as possible to the point where the line between the GOP and the Federal Government has been fuzzed out, breaking the law when convenient and when it can be obscured. I think the whole email issue is not just about hiding things, which it is, but also reflects a culture in which the Bushies see themselves as servants of the GOP first and then, only if needed, servants of our country. So all these Bushies have divided loyalty at best. They are really the worst kind of traitors.
Good morning, all, from L.A.
Excellent post, CHS. After reading Gonzales’ WaPo piece all I can say is, if those who wrote it for him can’t crank out anything better than this sludge, why bother?
Argument presented is convoluted, & what’s worse, LAME…
La Opinion here in So Cal has no illusions about Alberto & want him out:
Spanish Language Papers Call on Gonzales to Resign
Bay State Librul @
13
Sudafeds as opposed to Pseudofeds? Of all the agencies of the Federal Government, the DoJ should be be the cleanest and free of taint.
Of course, this administration does it’s best to taint everything within reach.
“Loyal Bushies” shouldn’t be the litmus test, dammit.
semanticleo at 23 — Absolutely. Read the entire Law.com article if you haven’t already — the clarity with which that sentiment is expressed is painful, but absolutely essential reading.
SonOfLiberty @ 26
Antivirals, antiseptic, antibiotics. What else?
I read the interview with Metcalfe yesterday, and was surprised to find that Ashcroft was a better AG than I had given him credit for. He backed up Comey’s refusal to allow the evesdropping, (that’s not new) and now we learn he chose professionals to help him run the DOJ.
Sure, he was much more conservative than most of us would like, but he does appear to have been a serious AG. No wonder he left after the first term.
Correction to my S.O.S. from MA @ 12
Whoops, no I didn’t. Opens in the same window unless you specifically say otherwise. Noticed the omission of the HTML TARGET pragma too late to fix. /blush
TheOtherWA @ 29
LOL. Exactly!
I’m not a computer expert, but in simple terms, it seems to me is the only way to fully delete anything is to reformat the drive, and I’m not even sure that would get past a forensics team.
I recently had a problem where I had to reformat one of my drives. I tried everything I could to save it, but all of the data was gone when I reformatted.
What about the fact that using GWB43 might have been a huge security risk?
Texas Betsy @
20
And if they weren’t hired for their competence but only because of their loyalty, then I’d be bettin’ on some competent techies being able to bring the stuff back to life.
Subway Serenade @ 32
Yes but if that happened on all 50 computers in your office with no backup drives, no backup tapes and empty servers ….. Pat Leahy might have something to say about it on the Senate floor.
Sweet Mother of all that’s good and holy! No one could have anticipated that we would one day actually miss John Ashcroft and his modicum of administrative competence.
Redd
That law.com article was my dream come true. I have been waiting, and waiting, and waiting for the folks who only complain bitterly in private conversation to start speaking out in public.
This was some dramtic first step. I hope if that interview gets enough circualtion around to other folks who ought to be speaking out, that more will come out of the woodwork.
The rape of DOJ since Comey left has been unbelievable.
And yes, I have already emailed to some of those relevant folks.
You did a great thing here.
snowbird42 @ 33
I mean really!
remember all the to-do about Clinton maybe talking to Monica over unsecured lines?
“. . .This ends justfies the means method
of governance is designed to do one thing, and
one thing only: keep George Bush happy. The
fact that a few rules and regulations had to
be trampled in the process? Well, that’s just
collateral damage, isn’t it?. . .”
just perfect, christy — absolutely dead-on.
and, i agree that anonymous liberal’s
take is particularly cogent this morning. . .
i think i first read the law.com piece
over at talkingpointsmemo, yesterday, and
i was simply slack-jawed, paragraph-by-sad-
paragraph. . . it should be required reading
by all, before gonzo’s date with the kleig
lights on tuesday. . . that this career fed.
worker — a fastidious professional by all
accounts, would say that what mitchell and
agnew and nixon did, pales by comparison to
rove-cheney-bush-gonzo. . . is a pretty good
indicator of how history will ultimately
judge these guys — i mean, this guy IS the
historian, in practical terms. . . he’d been
there since ‘71. . .
wow. great post!
I updated the post above, gang. The AG pre-released his statement for the Judiciary Committee in advance of his testimony on the 17th. C-Span has it here in PDF form. Thought folks would like a peek at it — am just taking a look myself.
It’s all supposed to end up in Grover’s bathtub…Floating there in eternity’s stillness, unlamented by those who desire no past and no limit.
American government, destroyed from within by the termites of democracy.
I know this is speculation but
could Gonzo have interfered in the CIA leak
case? Sounds like this would be too risky
but the more I think about it… If Bush whispered in his ear….
Far-fetched but…
Poor, poor ‘Berto. He now has 34 pages of comments and I still haven’t seen one in support of him. And those mean people are saying things like this:
Now, now, everyone…calm down a bit. Trust me, you should have heard it in the original German it was much better. Something like I was just following orders or something of the sort.
By RogueShoten | Apr 15, 2007 12:59:27 PM
Now they’re making fun of Al’s writing ability. The nerve! Maybe everyone here can go there and offer their thoughts on the heckava job ‘Berto’s doing? Care to join in???
Christy Hardin Smith @ 40
that’s why we love ya!
darkblack @ 41
Don’t suppose you’ve copyrighted that phrase?
Subway Serenade @
32
agreed — it’s really really hard to make the data actually disappear.
But, awfully easy to do a bad job of trying to get rid of data and leave a lot of footprints doing so.
And someone in RNC IT has to be planning on having another job some day. So, will talk sooner or later.
They can’t hide this one. They screwed up big time by trying to hide it …
cleter @ 36
That’s what I’m saying! America has officially become surreal under GWB.
I hope lots and LOTS of people front page this quote (with the attached article, of course). This is just snark-a-licious!!
Former U.S. Attorney David Iglesias was fired after Sen. Pete Domenici, who had been unhappy with Iglesias for some time, made a personal appeal to the White House, the Journal has learned. Domenici had complained about Iglesias before, at one point going to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales before taking his request to the president as a last resort.
http://www.abqjournal.com/news…..-15-07.htm
Christy Hardin Smith @ 40
Lets me guess–lots of passive voice: “mistakes were made” and things of that ilk. Vague acceptance of “responsibility,” though no actual acceptance of consequences. Extensive use of present tense to confuse sequencing.
The only thing I want out of Gonzo is six words:
“I am resigning effective noon tomorrow.” Anything else is pointless fluff.
Texas Betsy @ 35.
Well, yeah. Let’s hope the WH IT folks are doin a heckuva job!
cleter @ 36
Yes, a modicum of adm competence, that’s all. The eagle sores. Ashcroft was only slightly better. He is a nutty theocrat – bent on stripping civil rights – embarrassed by a naked statue.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 40
why would he pre-release it? Unless he’s planning on giving some other statement.
Seems like this just gives everyone a chance to prepare to knock it apart.
??
Steven Colbert summed up the root of Bush’s incompetence problem perfectly:
“Reality has a well known liberal bias.”
Hacks who believe their job description is to say yes to whatever the boss says will generate results that are not responsive to the real world.
Gonzales is a towel boy for Rove, and I apologize for the insult to towel boys everywhere.
Better to shred & delete incriminating e-mails and be thought guilty, than to hand them over willingly and remove all doubt.
That is the simple truth of what’s going on here.
If they handed them over promptly (as we all wished they would) mass resignations would have to occur almost immediately. This way we get one or two per month and the pillaging continues.
But as I’ve said before, it’s all over. The endgame is just gonna take a maddening amount of time.
Subway Serenade @
32
Reformatting means reconstructing the directories and essentially “erasing” the data as far as the user is concerned, but the patterns of ones and zeros still exist on the disk, and forensic software can often analyze the ones and zeroes to reconstruct intelligible files. All reformatting does is to set the directories to day one, so to speak.
There is another technique of actually erasing the data so that it is no longer recoverable, but that is not what reformatting does.
When Rove deleted his email, he may have done that from the user perspective, but the emails may still exist as data patterns on disk, or elsewhere as archived emails still whole and intact.
Rove is betwen a rock and a hard place right now. If he prevails on the RNC to actually remove the emails now, he is exposing himself to obstruction of justice.
snowbird42 @ 33
Have been having the same thought. In the “post 9/11 world” (TM-Bushco), it seems like this should be at the forefront of this story! Haven’t seen a mention of it anywhere in the Conglomerate Media. Spokesliar Perino admitted that MILLIONS of emails have vanished. Feel safer yet?
Just from a ‘user’s’ perspective, I’d like to have a Senator ask about the DoJ/USA website:
Why do certain offices have no website, or press releases available. And, some offices publish their press release in PDF only, so you have to DL individually, rather than just click a link?
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/offices/index.html
Some USA w/o websites are GUAM, Maine, and one of the Mississippi offices. I haven’t looked thru them all. There may be others.
imho, this is one thing DC/DOJ should have mandate funding and uniform policy for IT staff.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/15/114515/619
Over on Kos Dengre has an amazing piece. Hes saying that its Abramoff that is the connecting thing. Says the Senate has over 750,000 docs that would open the whole thing up.
OT – Ecahnomics, others, you around?- re University of Chicago, graduate dept. Political Science in the 1960’s – political philosophy – Dept. of Leo Strauss (Mr. Wolfowitz was there). I forgot I was on an earlier thread and posted the following:
Oh yes, I was there (by accident) hoping to study political theory/thought/philosophy. Unfortunately, it soon dawned on me that I had walked into a cult – really. Code words. In jokes. A bunch of people who wrote down every word spoken by the Master, even though every course was the same. A sense of superiority and condescension among people who believed they were among the “few” rather than the “many” (read ancients versus moderns). After a while, I fled. Imagine having this all come back to me some thirty-five years later, not as theory, but as – well – war.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 40
cool, thanks! — reading now, too!
Oklahoma Kiddo -
just saw that over at Josh’s place
money
I was wondering what was fueling the whole Domenici ‘I’m thinking of retirin’ before 08′ thingy
snowbird42 at 59 — Ah, there’s that pesky Alice Fisher question again…
Blank Kludge @ 58
SDNY USA website is stunningly primitive, for being on The Island in the Center of the World.
so, in his statement, gonzo makes it clear that if he fired anyone to interfere w/ an investigation, then that would be “improper”. (see pg 2).
seems like Lam or Iglesias should be enough to blow this apart. Hope our reps have some ammo stashed for Tue.
I love that gonzo apologizes for the “public spectacle”. Was THAT the problem? I seem to have been mis-focused.
This is why they dump dead bodies in the river. Unfortunately, sometimes they float to the surface.
If you were going to build a ‘political state’ within our ‘free’ system, you would need to:
- Control the Media (Rove)
- Control Law Enforcement and Justice (Gonzo)
- Control Surveillance of Citizens (Bush)
As we step back from unfolding events, it seems clearer and clearer that:
- Rove’s ‘back-channel’ e-mail/text system was the hub of the Spin Machine designed to control the Media
- Gonzo has been ruthlessly politicizing DoJ now for two years, complete with henchmen and henchwomen.
- Bush uses the ‘fear of being watched’ by the Total Surveillance Program to cower his political ‘enemies’ and their bank accounts.
What we’re ’seeing’ with these latest scandals is the embryonic ‘Political State’ layed bare – a concerted, covert and intensely ideological group of Bush-loyalists have been hard at work subverting the oversight and accountability neccessary to keep our system of government healthy and efficient.
How much more do we have to ’see’ to realize BushCo is trying desparately to pen us all in to an Animal Farm of their own design?
Mauimom @ 48
Indeed, that’s my favorite ‘graph. Started reading Abu’s statement (25 pages long!) and wanted to barf.
“mistakes were made . . . ” I think his idea of mistakes is far different from ours. His mistakes had to do with getting caught. Ours have to do with trashing the DOJ. Unfortunately, the cockroaches that they installed in career jobs will outlive any kind of disinfectant we can use. I hope I’m wrong.
By the way, remember how Bush said last month that he didn’t specifically order AG Gonzales to ax any US Attorneys?
He lied, of course.
Rove’s undoing is his belief that he is the craftiest man in America.
Karl, there is always someone craftier. Always. Somebody always comes along who can out best the bestest.
One of the conniving mooks that he helped to foster along has data, e-mails, tapes, memos that will devastate him. Rest assured. They will turn on him because they turn in clusters because their roots connect them. Better to eventually chop-down one dying Aspen for the sake of the rest of the forest.
Ask Irve Libby how the axe feels. Dick Cheney hasn’t even talked to him since he was felled by Pat Fitzgerald.
-GSD
lee5 @
53
Not sure, but recall that Sampson gave an abbreviated version of his “opening statement” on camera and recall Leahy stating that full statement would be available in transcripts and congressioanl record.
Texas Betsy @ 45
Unlikely I’d see a penny from it if I did.
;>)
Phoenix Woman @ 70
Bush lied???? Oh no! Alert the media!
SOS @12
It’s a good thing it was Dick Bolt and not Bob Newman who had to stand up to the baddies,, at least in terms of height!
btw, I am told that the Gonzales testimony will be broadcast on C-Span on the 17th. Just a heads up, gang. More specifics as I get them.
so, 7 pages of non-apology for USAs and then on to the important red-meat: nat’l security, drugs, and pedophilia! rock on gonzo!
Texas Betsey,
I am very dissapointed. You have it all wrong. According to the mainstream media, Bush only “misspeaks”. Bill Clinton lies.
-GSD
thanks snowbird !
dengre has been on this forever
laughing too hard to finish the diary just yet – just thinking that Dorgan is now the Chair – (and Lovey Howell among others attempted to slime him w/ Abramoff $$) tee-hee
The local NYC PBS station broadcast “Judgment at Nuremberg” last night. Great pic, and it highlights specifically how the Nazi government twisted the German courts and Justice ministry into doing its bidding, which led inexhorably to the staggering atrocities of the regime. That is the undeniable message of the film. Take a gander when you get a chance.
GSD @ 71
GSD, you do have a way with words. *g*
dreamcatcher @ 56
IANAL nor a computer forensics expert, but it seems like all the scrubbing and deleting goes a long way to showing that there was something to hide, even if the what is not explicitly known. I.E., the cover-up leaving the actual crime to people’s imaginations. Surely we can be as inventive as the reich-wingers were with all the so-called Clinton scandals. Especially when we see the fruits of their labors. We wouldn’t HAVE to make sh*t up out of whole cloth. We wouldn’t even really have to exagerate things.
GSD @ 78
My deepest apologies.
(BTW. Not to nitpick but there’s only one E in Betsy.)
Gotta get Rove.
and now that we’re supposed to follow gonzo’s lead and move on to the “important” stuff, anyone see this?
OT: http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01932.html
nicely buried …
“. . .For example, I misspoke at a press conference on March 13th when I said that I “was not involved in any discussions about what was going on.” That statement was too broad. At that same press conference, I made clear that I was aware of the process; I said that “I knew my chief of staff was involved in the process of determining who were the weak performers. Where were the districts around the country where we could do better for the people in that district, and that’s what I knew.” Of course, I knew about the process because of, at a minimum, these discussions with Mr. Sampson. Thus, my statement about “discussions” was imprecise and overbroad, but it certainly was not in anyway an attempt to mislead the American people. . .”
– gonzales’ statement 4.15.07
well. . . even with the parsing language
he’s now using, there is still plenty
here to cross-examine, and in a withering fashion, too. . .
didn’t he also just say they weren’t
weak performers a few paragraphs later?
and if “improper reasons” are
to be limited (even by his own definition)
to interference with prosecutions for political
advantage. . . what are we to make of the
latest e-mails and documents released about
the “reason” in new mexico?
more coming. . . but, i DON’T think he’s
helped himself at all by pre-releasing this.
Fitzy tell us about the e-mail charade..
RevDeb @ 81
Check it again…I mixed meataphors….herbs and carnivores have been fixed.
-GSD
Gonzo was simply making improvements to better serve all Americans by purging the government of non-Bushie types. The first round of Republican atty appointments, it turns out, were not total Bush sycophants.
They were Republicans, but they were not willing to follow all of Rove’s orders. They were afraid of breaking the law. They trusted not in all things Dubya and that is not good for America. You see, America is Dubya.
Glorfindel @ 80
This post at Balkinization still haunts me. Very on point to Judgement at Nuremberg. It’s called “When Lawyers are War Criminals“
recoveringlurker @ 60
Gone for awhile & returned.
Yes, your desription sounds like my friend’s. Strauss encouraged cult-like following.
But before we got to that part of the conversation, while I was still in my “what’s so great about Strauss mode,” my friend told me that he was amazingly agile at close text analysis. That is not my thing, as I get too bored by close reading. However, I think what it meant was that Strauss could draw more meanings out a a piece of writing than most human beings. While I was listening to the description, I had a mental picture of a magician, with a spell-bound audience, jaws agape. Strauss also spoke in nearly a whisper. Thus students would line up outside his door about a half hour in advance of a 8am or 9am class, so they could get a seat close enough to the front to hear. Can you imagine that at a liberal arts school? Nearly inconceivable.
There’s also a corollary, which is the ability to write in code, so that only the educated & cognoscenti know what you’re talking about. I think the neocons may have been trying to emulate this, but without the requisite skills.
And re Nat’l Sec Letters, pg 8, gonzo sez
And?? Has the IG reported back?? And what might be the contents of any such reports??
TheOtherWA @ 15
Actually that’s precisely at the time the IAEA discovered that the 16 words in the President’s SOU was based upon forged Nigerien documents…and at the same time the the Office of the Vice President was granted the power to classify (and presumably to thus declassify those) documents.
When were these off-the-grid Blackberrys and laptops handed out?
Did anyone else think it was funny that Strauss died while living in San Francisco….
The master of all things far right, and libertarian living and enjoying life in the poster city for “liberal left”.
Ironies all around.
-GSD
gawd … too much …
further down
You’d think we might get results of the sample audit of four offices, right? No … we have to wait for all of them. Hope someone asks about this on tue.
OK, I flipped throught that opening statement by Gonzo. Do we really have to hear about his drug program, gang violence, etc? Doesn’t he know how lame it sounds to bring up 9/11 these days, esp. when it’s totally irrelevant? Doesn’t he realize what’s going on here?
As far as the other stuff, the WaPo editorial had most of it already. Is he really going to read all 22 pages of this shit? That’s going to take hours. Is that the point?
Georgesimian @ 97
The point is to lull congress and the citizens back home quietly to sleep.
Mods:
what is the maximum number of comments per post?
Seems like its around 180, would like to know, thanks.
eyesonthestreet @ 99
Late night routinely tops 300.
bonkers @ 10.16 -
Well, that little trip to the compost was instructive *G*.
RickG @
87
A fact often forgotten by email users is that for any email there is a sender and one or more receivers. The fact that a sender deletes all his/her email, even to the extent of totally wiping them off hard disks, still leaves extant copies on all the receiver’s computers or even hard copy.
In a sense an email is like an arrow shot in the air. Once done, it is hard to undo.
Texas Betsy @ 20
It’s the Butterfield effect! Competancy in an authentic technical job is inversely proportionate to being a political hack…simply because political hacks get where they are by doing some other job other than the one stipulated in their job description.
I remain committed to supporting the Speaker. I believe the Speaker is going to do some heavy lifting soon.
GSD @ 71
… and in this case, I’m bettin’ that that person will be US. I’m talkin’ ’bout lots of Time’s Person of the Year 2006: YOU, for the growth and influence of user-generated content on the internet. In other words, when one exceedingly crafy little piggybrain is set against the largest parallel computer on the planet, namely all of us interconnected minds, with the info and logical tools we have easily to hand, he and his minions are doomed.
MwaaHaaHAA!!
What’s with all the pre-release stuff coming out of Abu’s office?!? Seems very fishy. Why would he want to show the Dems his cards before he even starts playing?
Texas Betsy @ 98
That might work.
bonkers @ 106
See the shiny object over there>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Not what’s under your nose.
eyesonthestreet @ 99
I once was posted the 400th in a thread
From what I have seen, won’t work with the whole FDL family!
I bet 400 quatloos he resigns tomorrow. And is replaced by Joe Lieberman.
This allows the admistration to wave its tentacles, squirt out an obfuscating clod of bipartisan ink–”look, of course there’s no partisan gaming of the DOJ! Bush appointed a Democrat as AG!”–and as a bonus there’s one more Republican apponted to the senate to replace Joe.
Ok, maybe it doesn’t happen tomorrow, but i bet his replacement is Joe.
great picture;
so the elephant looks at the naked man and asks..
you can drink out of that?
Texas Betsy @ 100
I remember the first time it topped fifty. I am old-school, yo.
.
this, my darling Firedogs is why I truly believe they haven’t cut him loose – not out of fear he will flip – but out of fear his inept ass will slip
GSD @ 71
They’ll turn in clusters because their roots connect them. From your keyboard to God’s ears.
cleter @ 111
If he does that then a REAL democrat will head the Senate Homeland Security Committee. Not gonna happen.
cleter @ 113
A condolences thread topped 650 I think.
cleter @ 113
There must have been 15,000 posts as soon as the Libby verdict came in
With all that is happening in DC and the world, I am absolutely beside myself as regards the leadership Sen. Hillary Clinton is providing to my party.
gonzo statement:
USA: pgs 1 – 6
Natl Security: 6-9
Protecting innocent children against evil Internet pedophiles: 9-12
violent crime: 13,14
drugs:14-16
civil rights and voting suppresion: 16 – 19
mexican border and support for vigilantes: 20
IP: 20, 21
funneling money to the locals: 21-23
finally, why don’t we ever respond to congressional requests?: 23,24
“It’s really hard, we have a lot to hide, and you’ve been asking a lot of questions”
cbl @ 114
They had to write his script for him. If he goes off script he’s sunk. I would assume that Leahy’s and Russ’ and Durbin’s and Schumer’s staffs are parsing every syllable right now.
out of some puerile dream the mean ol Senators wont step outside the ‘four corners’ of his statement ;)
Gonzo’s pulling extra hours indicting all those terrorists (0 to date), but no mention of investigating the illegally deleted emails in the WH. No mention of his successful prosecution of everyone involved in the Abramoff scandal. Instead, we get this broad generalization and lie,
“Our record in bringing aggressive prosecutions without
fear or favor and irrespective of political affiliations – a record I am very proud of – is beyond reproach. “
And then there’s a lot “I recall” stuff in the next part, which is about as lame as it gets.
now — in snark mode — looking at his
all-too-over-the-top marketing fluff. . .
erhhh — howza’ ’bout a “think before you
delete” campaign, or a “think before you
lie” campaign, or a “think before you
fire” campaign, or a “think before you
replace” campaign, or a “think before you
abridge our civil liberties” campaign???
In anticipation of his make-or-break testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday regarding his role in the partisan purge of U.S. attorneys, embattled Attorney General Alberto Gonzales took to the pages of the Washington Post to save his neck. But by contradicting his own March 6th USA Today op-ed, Gonzales may have simply tightened the noose.
For the analysis, see:
“Gonzales’ Dueling Op-Eds.”
eCAHNomics @ 92
(snip)
There’s also a corollary, which is the ability to write in code, so that only the educated & cognoscenti know what you’re talking about. I think the neocons may have been trying to emulate this, but without the requisite skills.
As far as I was concerned, the close textual analysis only produced more or less the same thing each time. Perhaps I was superficial, but I think they were in a box. Yes, the code business was part of the theory and practice. Frankly, I think Mr. Worldbank was probably smarter than most I met (I do not remember him) and, clearly, more effective (read “evil” or the like).
bonkers @ 106
Maybe because those are not his cards.
Morris Sheppard @ 126
OOOOh. Devious.
dreamcatcher @ 56
I think you need to run the drive through either a powerful degaussing magnet or pulse it with EMP to get the erasure necessary for complete eradication. And such a procedure would require that the computer or the drive be completely reprogrammed, if it were even useable anymore.
Something like this would have been “noticed” by the users. If the NRC, they would have a major server meltdown. If by Rove, he would have had to ask for another computer to replace his defective one.
This whole tale of some “unnoticed” erasure smells like a gigantic pile of feces! Someone would have complained, LOUDLY! There would have been lost emails that needed to be referenced. There would be obvious discussions within the text of subsequent emails about the server screwing up…”I lost your earlier post…” or “my address book was deleted…”, or “I couldn’t locate the post that you sent…send it again…ASAP…” etc.
The only way that such materials would not be referenced in such a manner would be if there were an explicit and known procedure that certain emails WOULD BE DELETED!
These guys are absolute and obvious liars!
just want to make sure that everyone got a chance to read Fiyero’s comment yesterday on the IT side of the email systems. haven’t seen as comprehensive a write up anywhere else – and it was here, at fdl, in the comments.
do not miss it!
Morris Sheppard @ 126
because it’s all he’s got.
flat-outta’ aces. . .
and they know if they don’t
carpet-bomb this message — all
day, all night — until tuesday, he’s
be buried after tuesday. and, he WILL
be buried after tuesday — this won’t
save him. not by a long shot.
C-Span also has a link up for a Schumer statement as well. Thought everyone would want a heads up.
and what the hell is that? he thanks congress for their /dedication/ to these issues?
Cheney wants power. Bush just wants to be treated like a King…oh and to ride his bike everyday
lee5 @ 120
Having skimmed the “statement”, I think he’s gonne have some ’splainin’ to do on USA, Civil Rights, and Responsiveness. About a ton of cr*p per page in that bushwa.
Okay, okay, I guess everyone is in a competitive mood today. i meant per thread, not per subject.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 119
Yah OK.k., as in “Stand back, you all! Senator Clinton’s coming through at the point of our column, leading the Progressive, principled charge!”
Shyeah.
(Correct me if I’m wrong, ‘Pups…)
Schumer sez they’re interviewing Kyle Sampson again *today* ??
selise @ 130
I think that the Bushies are lying about the emails being deleted, given all the backup. Lying is the first instinct of a Bush and a Bushie. The emails will magically appear if the heat gets on the Bushies enough.
Incompetent Bush brought incompetent cronies from Texas to the highest offices of government because they were dependable
*ss-covering pals. Same were needed at all levels in every station – including every single US atty. Loyalty to Dubya rates above all else – including competence. Heck of a job.
lee5 @ 133
he thinks he can direct which way this hearing is going to go, he’s saying;
“ask me about these things to which I have good answers, don’t ask me about the things you’ve summoned me about, I don’t have good answers for those”
hackworth @ 140
The Bush Family business is cronyism.
eyes at 135 — There is no “comment per thread” number. We write an article, we put it up, we try not to let a thread get too long on a high traffic time because it drags the server a bit with WordPress…but other than that, we don’t sit around and count comments before we put up another thread. It’s just not that complicated a process.
GSD @ 95
As did Milton Friedman.
RevDeb @ 116
And a Democrat gets to be a Senator in Connecticut for the remaining five years!
Somehow I think that this would actually be a good bargain in the long run!
Badwater @ 139
that is the question that we should be able to get an answer to right away! subpeona the IT people!
iirc, the committee cancelled Gonzo’s budget hearing scheduled for last week stating “lets clear up all this other stuff before we talk budget.”
Pre released statement reads like a budget request. Spose Gonzo’s tryin to change the subject of this paticular hearing?
That’s a pre-resignation press release – imvho – to get ‘his story’ on the record.
He may well resign tomorrow, retain counsel and announce he’ll be pleading the fifth to everything on Tuesday.
Bush won’t let Gonzo’s testimony take him down.
If ‘Sealed vs. Sealed’ was ‘Fitz vs. Gonzo’ over the Rove Indictment, and Walton ruled in favor of Fitz last week – then that suggests Gonzo got ’stung’ by his own agents.
So, the sequence would have gone something like:
- Fitz gets the Rove indictment
- Gonzo pockets it and pushes the Rove-Cooper charges onto Libby
- Fitz vs. Gonzo (unlawful political influence)
- Gonzo and Rove are ‘watched’ during the USA Firings
- Walton agrees – unlawful political influence – rules in favor of Fitz
- Gonzo resigns
Doesn’t that seem possible, if not probable?
Link to story about Iglesias firing. Apparently Rove and Bush did sign off on an appeal by the New Mexico Senator after Gonzales refused to act unlaterally on his request.
http://www.abqjournal.com/news…..-15-07.htm
Christy Hardin Smith @ 132
I wish I still had me some Schumer as Senator. Especially now, where I have to have the Cornyn and Bailey Hutchinson. Nevertheless, methinks Mr. Schumer is SET for some serious smackdown. Should be interesting when Hatch and Sessions start there reach arounds.
great stuff from schumer’s rejoinder, already!
the last bit is the best — sampson being
interviewed ON A SUNDAY, by judiciary staff, to
nail, COLD, gonzo’s contradictions. . . this is
really sam ervin monumental!
I wonder what Rove and the rest are using for email these days…
cinnamonape @ 145
I don’t think that’s the case, I think he’s appointed by the senior senator.
Fern @ 152
Probably a lot of meetings in the park and underground garages.
cinnamonape@ 145 and perris @ 153.
The Republic Governor of Connecticut would appoint his replacement iirc.
Beware the “poor incompetent Abu” trope! As Marcy points out at “hurrah,” part of the grounds for a perjury charge is intentionality, and a side benefit for Abu’s handlers promoting the “incompetence” dodge is to obviate Abu’s culpability–”Alberto mighta contradicted himself, but…look at the poor schlub, he can’t string two coherent excuses together…he obviously didn’t MEAN it.” No intentionality, no crime.
recoveringlurker @ 126
Verrry interesting. I really am a ‘close reading’ moron. I mostly skim. But I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if ‘close textual analysis’ was nothing more than intellectual snobbery. I’ll try it on my friend some time.
radiofreewill @ 148
Where did you get the part about Walton ruling last week? Is that a report or inference?
cinnamonape @ 145
Nope. CT has a repug governor.
Fern @ 151
And if they’ve decided to change their names to Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and Goofy so they don’t get caught.
I work with databases, and I’ve had to develop security plans, recovery plans, etc. I’ve posted before on the e-mail issues also (I think they’ll be found).
Flagging someone’s account is not something the IT team decides to do unless they think the person is going to do something malicious to the system. Normally, management has concerns and directs IT to suspend, monitor, etc. IT did as they were told, and it’s management / legal that decided something needed to be done – the “reasons” for the action probably were not communicated to IT, and (IMO) I would not have asked why (just like Addington knew not to ask Libby what he didn’t do…).
Um, not sure if I’m the first person to ask, but… what happened to Pach’s Late Night post?
If Kyle Sampson is being interviewed today, I bet one the the questions is about the other USAs who were on the hit list – the ones he was’t sure he could remember. That one has me kinda curious.
Phoenix Woman @
70
I’m shocked, shocked I say, that the President of the United States lied. Shocked. (At 36 pages of comments — are your two shiny coppers there yet?)
dakine01 @ 150
Schumer is better than Cornyn & Hutchinson, but this is the first time my senator has a chance of earning his salary & title, IMO. I reserve judgement until the fat lady sings.
perris @ 152
IINM, The Governer (an R) appoints a filler for the remaining term, but I don’t know if this applies to, say death or incapacity, versus leaving the office. A better idea would be for CT to recall RGJoe and hold a simultaneous election, like CA did.
Ned!
Gonzo’s opening statement stuck me as reminscent of the wordsmithing of Karen Hughes during the Chimp’s first term – long winded, obtuse, irrelevant and santimonious.
Eli at 161 — I don’t know the answer to that one, actually.
Texas Betsy @ 160
Uh huh. that crossed my mind too.
Eli @ 161
Yeah. Just tried a couple different browsers… Gone.
dakine01 @ 154
Nah. He has a Blackwater-issued Blackberry.
Double super-secret encrypted.
Sucks royally.
Everyone’s taxes done? Sweet!!
Fern @
152
Word is they have a call in to some of the Navajo Wind Talkers, but they are still pissed off about being called “troglydites” and “morons” by Karl Rove’s friend and fundraiser, Jack Abramoff.
Until they can cut that deal, everyone has to meet with the Godfather in person. Like Paulie in Goodfellas.
-GSD
RevDeb @ 159
But the Connecticut Constitution allows the Governor only the right to make a replacement until the next GENERAL ELECTION. Not for the full term of office. At that time there is an election by the public to fill the poost until the remainder of the term is complete.
Gonzo:
Second, every U.S. Attorney who was asked to resign – Dan Bogden, Margaret Chiara, Paul Charlton, David Iglesias, Carol Lam, John McKay, Kevin Ryan, and Bud Cummins – served honorably, and they and their families made sacrifices in the name of public service. The Justice Department owes them more respect than they were shown. In some cases, Department leaders should have worked with them to make improvements where they were needed. In all cases, I should have communicated the concerns more effectively, and I should have informed them of my decisions in a more dignified manner. This process could have been handled much better and for that I want to apologize publicly.
How to address our failed policy in the Middle East?
Is impeaching Bush and Cheney the answer? Place your vote and join the discussion if you like.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..125413/065
eCAHNomics @ 156
Ok, maybe I exaggerate somewhat, but it is, to bring this full circle, a matter of perspective……. Cheers (off to a dance concert).
TeddySanFran @ 164
Here’s the story in Albuquerque Journal Online.
http://www.abqjournal.com/news…..-15-07.htm
radiofreewill @ 148
Sounds too good to be true IMHO.
Isn’t Sampson Mormon? What’s he doing “working” on Sunday?
gonzales, at page 3, is already suggesting
a lot of “i dunno’s”:
time to really LIGHT HIM UP!
how can the head of the agency NOT be
able to answer? especially if all he
needs to do is TELL THE TRUTH?
he absolutely should not be allwed to
say “i didn’t coorinate my story with
my staffers’ interview results — so i
just dunno’ — to all your questions — i
just dunno!”
this is where — on cross — he must be
pinned down. he is IN CHARGE. why doesn’t
he know? why did he outsource so much of this?
this must be shown to be a smoke-screen.
I think the singular event of having their unofficial lines of communication shut down and scrutinized is causing a paralysis far greater than we know. It’s a virtual decapitation of their corrupt command and control.
Gonzo: “I should have informed them of my decisions in a more dignified manner.”
You go Christy!
Firedoglake continues to fan the “firestorm” And as you said last week the Bush administration has basically been saying “go Cheney yourselves” and maybe just maybe they have “Cheney’d” the people and our constitution just too many times. Due to the Republican controlled congress’s unwillingness to hold the Bush administration accountable for their many crimes, some in the Democratically controlled congress have listened and we are witnessing ACCOUNTABILITY TIME for very serious crimes committed against the American people and crimes against humanity (the Iraqi people).
Thank you Christy and other FDL writers for all of your research and work
Was unable to watch the Sunday news shows. Went to the Meet the Press website and the Zinni interview is not up yet. Does anyone have another link?
If you have not seen the interview that David Gregory did with Zinni on April 11 on Hardball it is worth the watch.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/
Many of us heard Zinni before the invasion give clear and wise reasons not to invade a sovereign nation that had not attacked us. I know many of us took our stand against the invasion based on what we were hearing Zinni, Albright, Brezinski, Ritter, El Baradei, Kofi Anan, Carter and many more who warned against such an invasion. Here is one of Zinni’s interviews on NPR that influenced me early on before http://www.npr.org/templates/s…..Id=1149119
Zinni’s thinking about his meeting in front of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Feb.11,
http://www.npr.org/templates/s…..Id=5323611
Here is the testimony of Feith, Grossman, Zinni on Feb 11, 2003. If you have never read this. Seriously worth while. Feith is a lying psychopath.
http://www.iraqwatch.org/gover…..021103.htm
Kennedy must have been talking to Zinni before the invasion
http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/new…..012403.htm
Christ All mighty if only the Bush administration had not been so bloody successful with their endless lies being repeated without serious challenges coming from most of the press. If only Judy Miller had not had the freedom to write endless unsubstantiated claims, turning out to be complete lies about WMD’s in Iraq in the New York Times. Hundreds of thousands of people would still be alive today, hundreds of thousands would not be injured and millions of Iraqi’s would not be displaced.
Those who voted for the war resolution based on lies, many in the press who did not do their jobs (New York Times etc, but most of all those who created and dessiminated (Office of Special Plans, White House Iraq Group, Office of Net Assessments) are up to their collective necks in Iraqi and American blood and body parts.
We want to witness those responsible for the WMD lies held ACCOUNTABLE. This is the very least our reps can do for those who have lost their lives in this “war of choice”.
npb
Yes. The rumors circulating about his poor performance in prep were bullshit, I thought at first. They may have been, but I can’t find a way thru for Abu’s lies to sustain him, especially if Schumer is interviewing Sampson again today.
LS @ 182
Nice catch!
newtonusr @ 166
They can’t do that. CA’s recall was a governor—a STATE election. CT cannot recall a senator. It is a federal position. We need to stop talking about this. It ain’t gonna happen.
IF Joe leaves for some reason, (which I doubt) the gov. appoints the successor. I don’t know whether the appt. is to fill out the term or until the next fed. election cycle. If the latter then Ned for sure!
LS @ 183
Gonzo: I’m the Justice Department Decider!
newtonusr @ 166
I don’t think it’s legit to “recall” a Senator or Congressman. Californias Constitution specifically allows recalls for the Governorship.
But whoever is appointed to Leib’s seat would have to face an election campaign almost immediately. The smart thing for the Governor to do would be to try and look conciliatory and bipartisan (for his own hopes) and appoint a Democrat (or strong independent) that would pose a challenge to Ned Lamont. Thus the Dems would be swept up in a primary battle between Lamont and the incumbent…possibly allowing a Republican to sneak in during the General Election in 2008.
I still think having Joe in the Dead-End land of Attorney General for lamne-duck Bush would be the better deal!
LS @ 182
EW would interpret that construct as an attempt to wall out and protect Rove.
what’s the process for impeaching a senator?…do the natives of the state have anything to do with that?
ct would be happy to impeach any senator appointed that is not a repukelica
Christy, EmptyWheel, it is a real treat to read your posts. IANAL but from an early age, I have enjoyed observing lawyers. My uncles and their friends were tremendous attorneys and to hear them discuss different viewpoints of their cases was, well, enlightening.
I hope the attorneys aiding the members of Congress during these hearings are as competent. That will be the only way to rid America of these crooks – through the law and the courts.
I wonder if John Dean can offer advise to counter Fred Fielding, I am certain he knows how to check mate his old friend.
cinnamonape @ 189
The smart thing for the Governor to do would be to try and look conciliatory and bipartisan.
Those words are missing from the Republic lexicon.
EPU’d:
RevDeb @ 186
Fine, but are we saying that CT has no recourse against RGJoe? Is the only way he goes death or incapacity, or resignation via scandal or presidential appointment? I’m asking out of ignorance.
Below is all the AG has to say w.r.t. the firings/hirings in his 20 something page statement: ,
Page 3:
“Shortly after the 2004 election and soon after I became Attorney General, my then-deputy-chief-of-staff Kyle Sampson told me that then-Counsel to the President Harriet Miers had inquired about replacing all 93 U.S. Attorneys. Mr. Sampson and I both agreed that replacing all 93 U.S. Attorneys would be disruptive and unwise. However, I believed it would be appropriate and a good management decision to evaluate the U.S. Attorneys and determine the districts where a change may be beneficial to the Department.”
Page 4:
“Near the end of the process, as I have said many times, Kyle Sampson presented me with the final recommendations, which I approved. I did so because I understood that the recommendations represented the consensus of senior Justice Department officials most knowledgeable about the performance of all 93 U.S. Attorneys.”
No answer to the first question “Why would anyone want to fire all the AAG’s in mass? Could it have anything to do w/ the fact that they were Ashcroft appointments, not Bush’s?”
No answer to the second question, “Why were the eight fired and why were their replacements hired?”
No answer to the third question “If you didn’t have anything to do with it, who is actually running things?”
From Schumer’s letter to AG:
“Not a single important question we have asked is answered in his opening statement just released this afternoon.”
The Attorney General w/ the Sgt. Shultz defense “I know nothingk.!”
Petrocelli @ 191
Has John Dean weighed in on the current email scandal?
lee5 @ 194
Has Rove ever had a successful puppet/candidate besides Bush?
If I don’t consider Lieberman to be a member of my party, the Democratic Party, and I do not, then is stands to reason that I don’t want this individual to caucus with my party.
Petrocelli @ 191
Dean commented on Fielding on Countdown, and had complimentary things to say. There’s a lot of respect there.
newtonusr @ 195
That’s pretty much it. The only recourse is at the ballot in 5 years. Believe me it hurts me at least as much as it hurts you. I spent lots of time and money working to get Ned elected.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 9
I want impeachment! I also want Lorena Bobbit to visit all of the warmongers houses in the middle of the night. Enough of this Bushshit!
http://www.crimelibrary.com/cr…..index.html
from sen. schumer –this stuff is GREAT:
these are going to leave gonzales
with almost no room to “duck and cover”
with “i dunno’s. . .” he is now
being asked about them, in advance,
in writing. perfect.
Muzzy @ 190
Didn’t Gonzo initially state that he had nothing to do with the firings? He was a super busy guy and was too busy to notice. Then Sampson contradicted him. Now Gonzo says he made the decisions after all!
And the pundits are clamoring to cover for him and make excuses for him and Bush and Karl ad infinitum? Even after this 180 degree flip flop?
Badwater @ 188
Gonzo: I’m the Justice Department Decider!
Aww, cut the fella a break! He wasn’t deciding, he was merely aggregating information!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 199
he’s not a democrat he’s a judas sheep
he should have been given an ultimatum before he exerted any influence at all;
vote with us or you are no longer a democrat, we will exclude you from all we hold
perris @ 191
Once seated, it is only their peers who can kick them out, through iirc, expelling them for whatever crimes. Pretty much same goes for House as well. The only ones I can recall as having been expelled are Adam Clayton Powell and James Traficanti, both House.
but I would not hold me breath on LIEberman becoming AG. He has to know that after ‘08, he will most likely be marginalized with a stronger Dem majority. He has this small window to play “power broker” and have folks really sucking up to him. If he resigns to be Chimpenfuhrer’s AG, he’s totally toast after ‘08 and then won’t be getting calls from Timmeh et al.
newtonusr @ 195
Yep! I think so…unless he’s expelled by his fellow Senators. The voters of Connecticut elected him…now they have to live with him.
The Democrats in Congress CAN expell him from their caucus, and remove him from positions which are privleged to them – I think they can remove him from his Chairmanships, for example. But unless the Senate as a whole votes to expel him (and this requires a 2/3rds vote and would generally require an ethics or criminal violation)…he keeps his seat.
newtonusr @
200
Not against Fielding personally, but against the tactics his is employing.
perris @ 206
;0)
snowbird42 @ 59
might also explain why McCain is now a
dedicatedzombified Bushiedon’t worry about ol Joe, he’s going to run w/ McCain as a 3rd party ticket in 08 …
raw story
tee hee…heat’s turning up;
more lies from abu torture
Texas Betsy @
197
I don’t know Aunt Betsy, I’ve missed KO for the past 2 weeks … my kids insist on playing Wii at that very time.
perris @ 205
For now, without Lieberman, Democrats would not control the Senate. There would be no hearings, no investigations, nothing. As deplorable as it is, the numbers force the Democrats to play along with Holy Joe.
IMO computer forensics are overrated. There is a real difference between me as a perpetrator trying to absolutely cover my tracks, and finding meaningful pieces of information, especially information of evidence quality.
Sure emails might be on servers in a lot of places, but where does one begin? Try finding someone in a worldwide company of 50,000 people. Then take that public through ISPs, spam robots etc etc. How much email is spam? How much gets sucked up by spam filters? How many emails get altered by virus scanning? BTW, for those who don’t know, mail protocols don’t give a good damn about the validity of the originating address, only the delivery address. Email is a delivery service.
On individual machines, active websites alone cause furious amounts of activity, and if you get malicious code working, all kinds of things are going on.
Seriously, if one wanted to find email type evidence, it needs to work more like an audit of operations. Also, one might get lucky by interviewing those providing the PC support, especially if the target in question got a new PC. How do you think they move over all the data to the new systems?
cinnamonape @ 208 says:
Because of the structure of the organizing resolution that was passed in January, he is designated by name as head of Homeland Security/Oversight committee. All committees are designated by name. That’s the work around that keeps the Dems in power in Senate through ‘08 elections, even if LIEberman jumps ship.
Petrocelli @ 207
I should have been clearer. He thinks Fielding was a good choice and thinks he’s competent.
As for his tactics, Chimpy & Shooter decide what they will abide, and their attorney turns it into a letter within the law. Fielding would be crazy to break the law on behalf of his client, but he would be irresponsible if he didn’t do everything to support his clients position, again, within the law.
help Firedogs!
from the last thread – why again, did they need a confirmation hearing for Griffin in light of the language in the revised Patriot Act ?!?!?
just one of those moments when all the facts start clogging up the neuro pathways
thanks
Petrocelli @
214
Time for a second TV? We have PS2 and Gamecube here but so far no Wii.
did i just unzip or zip or somehow zigzag the margins? if so, my apologies
hackworth – Think of the hell Gonzo would feel if he were nailed not just for lying about his personal involvement in the firings to save himself, but now that his lies are specifically intended to protect Rove/Bush.
Gonzo: ” I am Spankatus ! “
Do we think Lieberman would vote to impeach?
Badwater @ 215
Not true. The organizing resolution for the 110th congress for the senate named the names of committee chairs and did not provide for a change of majority like the rules did back in 2000. Whether or not Joe jumps does not matter. He still will control the committee that he was named as chair for—Homeland Security. DAMN.
john in california @ 196
In other words he’s blaming the Sr. DOJ staff for making political judgements that he didn’t know about. Not that he ever inquired about what it was that made these Federal Prosecutors incompetant! Nor that he ever asked if the actions would impede Federal prosecutions.
It seems that by not asking Gonzalez has admitted his own incompetance as an Attorney General. He allowed his Jr. Staff to play politics.
Recall that these individuals “serve at the behest of the President” line? Apparently Abu Gonzalez consider Sampson as the President…gave him the power to fire people that were appointed by the President!
Oh right, Harry Meiers said firing everyone was okay!
newtonusr @
218
Petrocelli @ 207
newtonusr @
200
Petrocelli @ 191
I wonder if John Dean can offer advise to counter Fred Fielding, I am certain he knows how to check mate his old friend.
Dean commented on Fielding on Countdown, and had complimentary things to say. There’s a lot of respect there.
Not against Fielding personally, but against the tactics his is employing.
I should have been clearer. He thinks Fielding was a good choice and thinks he’s competent.
As for his tactics, Chimpy & Shooter decide what they will abide, and their attorney turns it into a letter within the law. Fielding would be crazy to break the law on behalf of his client, but he would be irresponsible if he didn’t do everything to support his clients position, again, within the law.
This ‘point of breaking the law’ is what I would like to hear John Dean comment on. He knows that Bush & Co. have broken the laws many times, what I would like to hear him say is at what point Fielding crosses the line with them. eg, is his stonewalling Congress breaking the law?
[Mod. Note: Please don’t quote more than two comments as it busts the margins. Thanks.]
cbl @ 219
I don’t believe they NEEDED a confirmation for Griffin but elected to do so. Probably didn’t want to muddy too many waters what with the firings to come when he was appointed. Besides, why raise a red flag when the lead oppo researcher is going to be in the former home state of the perceived front runner for prez nomination?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 223
No.
As Atrios would say, This has been another episode of simple answers to simple questions.
RickG @ 215
I don’t mean to push back on a subject I probably know much less about than yourself, RickG, but I would like to pose a couple of quick counter-questions:
and
Oklahoma kiddo @ 222
impeach who? Clinton? yeah, I think Joe would probably vote to impeach a clinton …
RevDeb @ 228
Ya beat me to it REvDeb :})
RevDeb @ 228
Does this mean I might be simple? ;0)
General Zinni’s testimony on Feb. 11, 2003 before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee is quite the read. Feith and Grossman do some rip roaring lying. Do yourself a favor and read the whole thing. http://www.iraqwatch.org/gover…..021103.htm
Here are just a few things that Douglas Feith had to say about WMD’s “allegedly” in Iraq to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Feb.11, 2003.
“I’d like to spend a moment, if I can, stressing in particular the crucial task of eliminating weapons of mass destruction. We have begun detailed planning for this task, which includes securing, assessing and dismantling Iraq’s WMD capabilities, its facilities and stockpiles. This will be a huge undertaking. The point that Senator Biden made about the magnitude of the task is very well taken. This is one of a number of tasks whose magnitude is very large.
The Defense Department is building the necessary capabilities for this WMD elimination effort. We will have to first locate Iraq’s widespread WMD sites and then be prepared to secure the relevant weapons or facilities or rapidly and safely disable them so they’re no longer a threat to coalition forces. This will have to be done in many places and as quickly as possible.
The mission, though, doesn’t end there. After hostilities we will have to dismantle, destroy and dispose of nuclear, chemical, biological and missile capabilities and infrastructure. Equally important will be plans to redirect some of Iraq’s dual-use capability and its scientific and managerial talent to legitimate civilian activities in a New Iraq.”
I’m sure the NSA has been completely infiltrated by loyal Bushies & will be able to find no smoking gun.
lee5 @ 53
Under the Senate rules you have to deliver some ridiclus number of coppies (100?) a couple days before you testify.
He is just pre-empting the leaking of it
Oklahoma kiddo @ 232
I didn’t say “simple questioners.” Simple questioners would include Hatch, Kyle, Sessions, Cornyn, etc.
TexasBetsy @
220
Petrocelli @
214
Texas Betsy @
197
Petrocelli @ 191
Christy, EmptyWheel, it is a real treat to read your posts. IANAL but from an early age, I have enjoyed observing lawyers. My uncles and their friends were tremendous attorneys and to hear them discuss different viewpoints of their cases was, well, enlightening.
I hope the attorneys aiding the members of Congress during these hearings are as competent. That will be the only way to rid America of these crooks – through the law and the courts.
I wonder if John Dean can offer advise to counter Fred Fielding, I am certain he knows how to check mate his old friend.
Has John Dean weighed in on the current email scandal?
I don’t know Aunt Betsy, I’ve missed KO for the past 2 weeks … my kids insist on playing Wii at that very time.
Time for a second TV? We have PS2 and Gamecube here but so far no Wii.
:-) We do have 2 TVs, my two darlings love to play Wii with me. I am their favorite toy, best friend, meditation teacher … and they are my best friends and gurus, who have taught me more about life than all the books and all the great teachers I’ve met.
looseheadprop @ 234
ah … that makes sense. thanks.
Petrocelli @ 224
Good point. Fielding would have to become familiar with the circumstances to properly represent ChimpCo, and only he and other WH counsel (as yet) know where that line is.
But zealous representation versus conspiracy is where I think you’re going.
Snowing pretty heavily here in NH, here’s hoping this spring doesn’t shape up to be a repeat of last year, more precip than the the rivers and streams can handle….gulp!
This is likely EPU territory, but…
I’ve been in IT for 10 years and what I learned over the last few days regarding “deleted” data that may not truly have been “removed” is that there are forensic techniques for reconstructing strings of data at the block level but that this will only work if the blocks that contain those 0’s and 1’s have not been re-used or written over. Someone that was aware of this could certainly fill up the disk that contained the original, removed data (email) and cover their tracks. This wouldn’t require anything more than understanding what needs to happen and it would only need apply to the computer on the sending end of a message and that on the receiving end. Sounds to me, in reading some of the interviews with these forensic experts, that this is an inexact science and generally yields pieces of the puzzle rather than a completely clean picture. My opinion is that if we’re talking about millions of emails they’d be able to accumulate more than enough information to build a pretty
strong case. It also occurs to me that with that much information I’m pretty sure you could paint whatever picture you’d like but that’s another topic.
As for backups, and there was some give and take on earlier threads about this, they would only be useful if:
a. The recipient’s mail client is configured to leave a copy of the mail on the server (all mail clients have this option)
b. They’re using IMAP instead of POP, doubtful.
c. The mail in question was sitting on the server during a regularly scheduled backup (which would likely occur at night)
d. Or, if the PC on either end of the message gets backed regularly. Another fact I’d love to know.
Petrocelli,
I LOVE my TIVO. Don’t know how I lived without it. That would certainly solve that problem.
dakine01
thanks!
pretty much what I have been thinking – it appears the good senators were not aware of the change in language until early january 07
(via TPM)
please recall there may have been a similar dog n pony back in July 06 – when Brett Tolman was ‘confirmed’ by Senate Voice Vote – a full 4 months after the revised act w/ changes to confirmation rules was signed in to law
Hi everyone. RevDeb is there I way I can contact you or give you my email or AIM screenname or something?
newtonusr @
239
Yes, thank you, that is exactly what I meant. I’m a little distracted … playoff hockey is on and am also making lunch for my two gurus while reading FDL ;-)
SnarKassandra @ 243
my name at mac dot com
Well… that clears it up nicely. ;0)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 9
Yes Impeachment. But where is Lorenna Bobbit when you need her? Times up you warmongers!
oooh, ooooh, pick me, pick me !
RevDeb @
91
We have to clean our own house in order to regain our own decency. it will hurt, but (i don’t know why i flashed on the rock climber who amputated his own hand to free himself from that crushing rock.)
Do we think Lieberman would vote to impeach?
Yes, right about the time pigs fly.
I want the Democratic Party to turn its back on Lieberman. Symbolically and in deeds. I fully realize the possible results of such an action.
Gotta run. We’re showing
Jesus Campat the church at 3. I haven’t seen it yet myself so I’m off.Catch y’all later.
I’m thinking about W’s involvement with Iglesias’ firing. W gets a call from Domenichi, who’s in a fine lather. W says, “Yeah, yeah, yeah, he’s toast.” Hangs up the phone, gets Rove on the line, yells at same for being bothered about something so trivial as a USA and tells Rove to take care of it. Is that the way it worked?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 251
So do I.
RevDeb @ 241
I allow myself 2 hours of TV per day – KO, TDS and Colbert. If I play for an extra hour with the kids, I eliminate 1 hour of TV. If I watch more TV, I have to cut back on reading FDL … no way that’s going to happen. I have to keep a strict regimen on time or my book will never get done, like “Petrocelli’s” house ;-)
Probably more information than you wanted to know. *g*
The point is: what do we really need Lieberman for? I don’t like being blackmailed by this man. One might say I am enraged with this character.
Elliott @ 211
Great article at Kos.
eCAHNomics @ 253
ding. almost — except that then
bush hops on his bike, and rides away,
never to think about any of it again.
And I will be smarting for a very long time about Hillary’s behind the scenes manipulations on behalf of Lieberman in the last nat’l election.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 259
Please explain. I wasn’t following that bit.
Pity Patrick Fitzgerald didn’t have some justification for rummaging around in those files.
Is there some law that requires storage of evidence in a Senate invesigation? What are the rules governing access? I get the impression a FOIA doesn’t have any effect on securing a looksee.
tbsa @ 250
Lieberman will vote to impeach … here’s why:
He is casting himself as a patriotic American, who does what is best for America, not interested in political partisanship (I can hear you snickering, OKK).
When there is enough evidence brought to light, and the American public are deluging every “American Politician” to uphold American values, he will have to vote to impeach or be called a hypocrite. Guess which one “Honest Joe” will choose?
People like HoJoe are the easiest to manipulate, though they think themselves superior to manipulation. This is not a legal opinion, but I stake my reputation as a meditation teacher on it.
McCain sold out to the Bush money men – ie. the military industrial money.
dude @ 261
Why didn’t he?
TexasBetsy @ 264
I assume it had nothing to do with Libby.
I agree. Abramoff is key, if not the key.
TexasBetsy @ 264
Maybe he did…
But we need a statement either way…
Turn on the lights, we need sunshine
Oklahoma kiddo @ 259
I just hope and pray there are enough progressives putting pressure on HRC to make her understand there are a great many of us who just can not vote for her. As much as I like Big Dog, I can’t bring myself to vote for establishment candidates content with the staus quo in either party.
TexasBetsy @ 260
I don’t think she or her husband had any interest whasoever in supporting Ned Lamont. Quite the opposite. The impression here is if Mrs.& Mr. Clinton were serious about helping Lamont, we wouldn’t have Mr. Lieberman to kick around. And it’s felt that would be nice. ;0)
Bay State Librul @ 267
I fail to get a connection between Libby, Plame and Abramhoff. Am I missing a piece here?
FYI, Watertiger is upstairs
Oklahoma kiddo @ 256
Lieberman serves by the pleasure of the President.
Fresh thread from watertiger. Up and snarkalicious…
One of General Zinni’s statements before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Feb.11,2003
“Number one task is keeping order in this country. The tribal retributions, the revenge killings, the opposition groups and others that will be jockeying for position, opposition groups that will scream across the border. All sorts of things can disrupt this. There are things in this country that we’re going to have to deal with that no one has really talked about. There’s a major Iranian opposition group in here, the MEK. What do you want me to do with that if I’m the commander in chief? Do I lock them up? Do I send them back across the border to be slaughtered? Exactly what happens to them? And there are millions of little issues like this that aren’t talked about, that are going to be major problems when you’re on the ground and whoever goes in is going to have to have the guidance.”
A link to the complete hearing on Feb.11,2003
http://www.iraqwatch.org/gover…..021103.htm
RevDeb @ 240
Okey Dokey RevDeb – from your lips to mr.brat’s ears – we’re getting TIVO – he has wanted to for years and I am now convinced too! ;~)
eCAHNomics @
92
the use of disguised meaning has a long history in philosophy. there were ideas that could get you garroted or burned at the stake.
i have heard it said that the neocons used straussian ideas to justify their own strategies, strategies that strauss himself would not have approved. i have no personal knowledge of this but, if it is true, the historical parallel would be that of the nazis who used nietzsche’s writings for their own devices.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 223
Lieberman is a Senator. The House does the impeaching.
Impeachment is the equivalent of being indicted. Once the subject is impeached, the case is tried in the Senate. If the Senate convicts the subject of the charges in the impeachment, he is expelled from the office he held.
new thread
newspaperbrat… buy a real tivo, not a DVR. Also get the large memory…you will be glad you did. jmho
dude @ 270
Bay State Librul @ 267
TexasBetsy @ 264
dude @ 261
Pity Patrick Fitzgerald didn’t have some justification for rummaging around in those files.
Is there some law that requires storage of evidence in a Senate invesigation? What are the rules governing access? I get the impression a FOIA doesn’t have any effect on securing a looksee.
Why didn’t he?
Maybe he did…
But we need a statement either way…
Turn on the lights, we need sunshine
I fail to get a connection between Libby, Plame and Abramhoff. Am I missing a piece here?
Could be that Libby and Abramoff are Aspen trees connected at their roots (e-mails, interest in Israeli firster issues). Plame was in the process of doing some damage to the claims, $ being made, and to the roots.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 258
Nor will I ever forget nor forgive my Senator Boxer’s flying to CT to stand by Lieberman instead of standing down in light of Ned Lamont’s obvious bona fides as a true blue DEMOCRAT.
Brisingamen @ 277
I realize that. But if it came to it wouldn’t Lieberman have a vote on whether to convict? ;0)
Petrocelli @ 242
Calgary or Detroit?
Badwater @ 215
I think that the Organizing Rules established in January hold throughout the next Congressional term (until 2009). Essentially if there is a change in the majority due to “defection” or “death/illness” (recall the Tim Johnson issue) there would still not be a change in the Control of Committees. But the party in control in January still could appoint Chairs. Lieb couldn’t stay in his Chairmanship.
And it might not be so bad if Lieb jumped ship…he would lose his Chairmanship, he would have to appeal to the Republicans for a seat on Committees (thus they would lose a seat held by an established Republican who might need it to leverage pork for their district). And Lieb would be in the position that he would need to establish his “liberal credentials” to the folks back home…rather than playing the Democrats.
The Committee standing for the Democrats would actually get much better with Lieb out of the Chairmanship and that’s one less influencing vote on the Republican side on many issues BLOCKING action.
The only way that things might change is if Lieb started voted differently on the floor of the Senate. But Lieb has to look at least somewhat moderate to his constituents, and as a Republican that might actually require him to be more liberal than he would while playing as a Democrat.
Eureka Springs @ 278
Thanks – as always you are indispensible! BTW – only have one screening party left in the gallery of Manufacturing Consent on Thursday with our sweet seniors network. Thank you for sharing this with us and will be sending it back to you on Friday. (((((((Eureka Springs!))))))
newtonusr @
283
Petrocelli @ 242
newtonusr @
239
Petrocelli @ 224
This ‘point of breaking the law’ is what I would like to hear John Dean comment on. He knows that Bush & Co. have broken the laws many times, what I would like to hear him say is at what point Fielding crosses the line with them. eg, is his stonewalling Congress breaking the law?
Good point. Fielding would have to become familiar with the circumstances to properly represent ChimpCo, and only he and other WH counsel (as yet) know where that line is.
But zealous representation versus conspiracy is where I think you’re going.
Yes, thank you, that is exactly what I meant. I’m a little distracted … playoff hockey is on and am also making lunch for my two gurus while reading FDL ;-)
Calgary or Detroit?
I think Detroit wants it more, sure miss Stevie Y. But I think it is the year of the Sabres.
newspaperbrat @ 281
Very unfortunate. Boxer used to be a fave in this house. I voted for her more than once during my years in Cali. I remain quite angry at her for that Lieberman thing.
from Gonzales’ Senate statement:
“Near the end of the process, as I have said many times, Kyle Sampson presented me with the final recommendations, which I approved.”
Directly contradicts his Post op-ed, see “During those conversations, to my knowledge, I did not make decisions about who should or should not be asked to resign.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01010.html ]
Petrocelli @ 284
Caps fan from way back, though I ought to like the Sharks.
Dog, 70 points… sheesh!
newtonusr @
289
If the Caps can get a team around Ovechkin, they’ll be in the middle of the mix. He is the most exciting one man show since Gretzky, also of Russian descent.
I know.. An actual Moscovite.
newtonusr @
291
I remember the days when that “Moscow” team toured North America and how much fun it was to watch our boys play them.
newtonusr @
195
maybe somebody could invite him to spend a little time in san francisco………?
newtonusr @
291
Do you think the Sharks will get further than the Ducks?
Christy:
Regarding your PostScript…as an IT guy I’d have to admit two things.
First, nothing is ever really deleted. I know you know this, but it bears repeating. Furthermore, even if you reformat the drive or try to erase it using a magnet it still is there…just harder to get at. The only way I know of truly destroying a data storage media is to shred it into little pieces and incinerate it. I know the RNC hasn’t done this so those emails are still there…it’s just how motivated are you in getting them.
Second, nothing (regarding caching or saving “on purpose”) in an IT environment is done without good reason. It’s just too dangerous to go about taking an action that may cause storage issues or otherwise. Further, this kind of request wouldn’t be “Rove” only. Knowing that we do that over 20 members of the EOP had RNC accounts, my money is that all of them got archived into some special area and they’re just waiting to be requested. What I want to know is why haven’t they been requested by anyone?
Texas Betsy @
18
I remember reading that at Walter Reed, 300 out of 360 career federal employees left when the private contractor came in.
Petrocelli @ 292
Sharks size was their advantage coming in, but it doesn’t look to me like they’re taking advantage of it… yet.
Ducks – we’ll see how they look on the road tonight.
Atikar,
I beg to differ on the point that nothing is ever really deleted. I’m not a Windows guy, so I can’t speak for Exchange, but it depends on the situation as has been hashed out here.
Schumer on C-SPAN now from earlier today talking about the AG, USA’s, RNC email ,etc. Good stuff!
cleter @
50
The words I want to hear Abu say, “Bush , Rove & Cheney told me to do it!”
Anyone else catch this at the end of the Law.com interview? Seems like a very big hint. What was going on at DOJ in the time period mentioned, that he could be referring to? Marcy?
Is this careful discolosure of knowledge of possible political interference at DOJ sufficient for Leahy or Waxman to call this guy as a witness in their evolving and expanding investigations? Christy?
eCAHNomics @ 92
You sound like you’re my generation. The followerse of Joan Robinsomn were a bit like that — cognescenti cultists. I lived with a Straussian as a grad student. Could never make heads or tails of the stuff. Just did a conference with some Friday on David Hume and Adam Smith. Smart people, but exceptionally convoluted, and they always think they know the stuff better than you do. I don’t think so.
Elliott @
109
Last night I was in over 500. Maybe we’re gonna need a late late night thread about two hours after the Late Night FDL by someone on the Left Coast.
Bob in HI
It gets slow when the comments are many. Mods close comments if it gets unwieldy.
Victor @288, right on. Highly recommend to everyone to read Schumer’s statement on C Span FIRST, then read Abu’s. The hearing shld rock! Also, Kyle is definitely being re-inverviewed today accordg to Schumer, & he shld have some nice things to say about his ex-boss, who’s shoving the whole mess back on him (Kyle)! 1st 6 pp is all you need of Abu, the rest (19 pp) is self-serving bullshit.
Christy, your very credibility as a journalist depends on your correctness with the English language. Imus aside, simple useage and spelling are indicators of thoughtfulness, capability, completeness, competence, etc. So, spell check and preserve your credibility. ‘Separate’ has a RAT in the middle.
gussmith,
…and usage has no “e”. People in glass houses….
Testing…
S.O.S. from MA @
229
I don’t mean to push back on a subject I probably know much less about than yourself, RickG, but I would like to pose a couple of quick counter-questions:
and
I don’t know if this thread is still alive, but I look at it like this: When you “delete” files, think of a bookshelf where you delete a book by removing the binding, and snipping off the page number. All the pages are there, but they’re no longer held together, and their order is not self-evident.
Throw these pages in the wastepaper basket, and “delete” another book in the same manner. After you’ve done this for a bunch of books, dump the wastepaper basket in the trash bin.
Enter booklover, who has heard that the only copy of a certain rare volume has been “deleted” in this manner. S/He is told where the trash bin is, and told “good luck.” S/He knows that all the pages are in there somewhere, although some may be spoiled, so his/her task is to separate out all the pages, arrange them by book, and within book piles arrange the pages into order.
It can be done, but it takes a lot of work.
Bob in HI
Hi Bob,
Good analogy. So do you agree with the explanation that the bits that remain on the disk after files are “deleted” will only remain there until/if those blocks are re-used?
Jay @
309
Basically– but some of the IT specialists here note that the magnetic media are not always perfect: change a 0 to a 1 and it changes– mostly. But every single atom may not flip the same way. The “bit” may “flip” from 0 to 1, but a ghost of that 0 may be left behind. Or so I’m told. I don’t have any special knowledge about that.
Bob in HI
I can recall a number of instances where folks that I supported (as a UNIX admin) needed to restore lost email. UNIX servers relayed the mail, served the mail, and the recipients were almost always PC’s using a variety of mail clients.
Now, without considering the “forensic” approach, which I would consider extreme unless it was a legal/criminal situation, recovering mail can be tricky. The vast majority of mail is exchanged (spam not included) during normal business hours which is not conducive to capturing email on a regularly scheduled backup.
I’m not sure about Exchange and its archiving capacity, but in general I would argue that if you receive a message between the hours of 7am and 7pm that it didn’t sit on the mail server long enough to get backed up.
All that said, I hope they nail these war criminals to the wall once and for all and I don’t give a flyin’ leap if it takes a jaywalking offense to get the ball rolling.
Peace Bob. Hope the weather in Hawaii is better than it is here i Sounthern NH, where we are bracing for floods on the heels of this Nor’easter. Ugh.