So much for that illusion of fiduciary duty to the American public being more important than propping up the Bush White House and the Republican Party:
The electronic messages, some written as recently as last month, offer a rare and almost contemporaneous account of the tactics used by a sitting administration trying to manage a political firestorm.
One e-mail message shows the White House urging the Justice Department to call Senator Jeff Sessions, Republican of Alabama, to give him information about the placement of J. Timothy Griffin, a former aide to Karl Rove, as the interim United States attorney in Arkansas.
“WH political reached out to Sen. Sessions and requested that he ask helpful questions to make clear that Tim Griffin is qualified to serve,” said a January 2007 e-mail message from Monica Goodling, a former senior aide to Mr. Gonzales, to other department officials. “Here are the talkers on Griffin, as well as a narrative that can be used by staff, and his résumé. I think it would actually be helpful for all of the Rs to have it.”
It was not clear whether the “talkers," shorthand for talking points, were sent to Mr. Sessions and other “Rs,” or Republicans. But Mr. Sessions, in a later hearing on the matter, ran through all of the highlights, praising Mr. Griffin’s résumé, just as the White House and Justice had apparently requested.
Some coordination is to be expected. This is politics, after all. But when questions about how the Bush White House, the Department of Justice and Rove's political shop are trying to politicize the nation's system of justice, lie to Congress, and subvert their investigation by tampering with evidence, among many others are raised…wouldn't you think that Republican lawmakers might have some smidgen of feeling that the American public deserves more than another sloppy coating of whitewash?
And is it too much to ask that when a news show is interviewing Republican members of the Judiciary Committee, say Arlen Specter or Lindsey Graham or Jon Kyl who all appeared on this morning's shows, that the interviewer might ask if the words dripping so blithely from their mouths were written for them by the White House? I always assume there is some collusion on this sort of thing, but isn't it incumbant on the interviewer to ask the question — to get that person on the record on this, now that it is out there in the reporting, laying right out there on the table for anyone to examine if they care to do so?
Or is even the slightest bit of integrity and independence too much to ask from Republican members of Congress these days? Have we just all decided that expecting more from them — expecting some sense of fiduciary duty to the public's interest or commitment to something higher than their own power grab — is just an exercise in futility? Here's to a whole lot more sunshine…on the entire festering mess.



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bushie-gate!
Mornin’!
Damn, you people are FAST!
these guys are just so creepy!
damn straight CHS. We hear you. Can’t turn on my tv anymore.
They’re running out of paint.
My first #1 is the first thing that’s gone right today — unknowingly tracked dog’s “gifts” through the new house after scooping the back yard; took dog for a walk and as her 65 pounds bolted for a squirrel, my way-more-than 65 pounds hit a crack in the sidewalk — splat!
I knew the day would improve if I logged onto FDL!
Among the missing gazillion emails are, undoubtedly, the daily marching instructions Mr. Rove distributes to minions everywhere, including the press and including the day’s talking points:
Move forward; sustain/govern & defend itself; can’t support the troops and not fund them (indefinitely); move forward; stay the course; we’ve never been stay the course; extraordinarily generous sharing of documents.
No thought required, much like tracking in the dog’s business and tripping over a sidewalk — only they make a point of doing what the rest of us try not to.
Jonno @ 5
EPU’d: I just wrote in the last thread that I can not watch Cheney anymore.. but for the most part, it’s all the MSM shows I prefer not to watch, unless I know we have a strong Dem who will have opportunity to debate them and they usually wind up kickin’ butt! Sadly, that is too far and few between.
I like the one about asking them who wrote their talking points.
Another suggestion is that after trying once or twice to get pol to answer question, host politely says, “I’ll note for the record that you did not answer the question.” and go on to the next subject. That would put the point on it for the audience.
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anyone noted the NY Times editorial, The Fantasy Behind the Scandal yet?
It’s the first time I think I’ve seen the MSM push this idea to the top of the heap.
Shooter hasn’t had the occasion to call Scooter since the verdict.
WTH does that mean?
Apparently the (AL-R) following Sessions’ name stands for
All Lies – RepublicanSockPuppet
Christy!
Peanut!
Waxman!
Oversight!
Constitution!
that the interviewer might ask if the words dripping so blithely from their mouths were written for them by the White House?
OOOOOHH PUUUUULEEEEEEEZZZ
Obviously, the chimperor’s administration is not competent enough to write these words, much less able to disseminate them through the rank and file so quickly that they all march in lockstep.
The chimp represents a set of economic and political interests – these same interests own and control the MSM.
It is ironic that a blog owned and operated by females is still on the “great man” theory.
It took political and economic forces much larger than chimpy, rove, cheney and gang to manufacture a candidate from an AWOL drunk, cocaine-addicted son of a failed president – he was hoisted on us based on lies about his convictions, integrity, religion, and sobriety.
The “beer factor” was a lie – no one wants to have a drink with an obnoxious alcoholic cocaine addict – yet this was used to provide cover for a stolen election in 2000; this was repeated in 2004.
Good points in your article, but you are barking up the wrong tree – the white house is not giving the MSM its marching orders. This administrations treason, war crimes, and crimes against humanity are not directed by chimpy, cheney, or rove either.
Eventually, we will have to talk about the folks that are making the most money from this administration – the folks that are really responsible for the crimes and treason.
eCAHN at 12 — It means that loyalty only works one way for the Veep. All to him…not from him.
Cheney is NOT isolated. Proof:yesterday he went shopping with his daughter.
OK, I feel better knowing that.
eCAHNomics @ 12
aspens…
no need for phones when your roots twine together…
charlietuna at 15 — Um, who said that Bush wrote anything? The political shop at the WH, however, has been sending out marching order talking points, along with the RNC to GOP members for hearings and public appearances for years. Wake the fuck up.
Christy, I love the flash of your steel in the morning.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 19
Regarding Cheney on Face the Nation, he claims we have an all-volunteer force. Are those 100,000 Blackwater volunteers, or paid assasins?
ccmask @ 21
They volunteered to be paid assasins.
EPU’d (for the last time) and perhaps OT… we’re only a few days past Passover…
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Here’s a free-form, symbolic translation of the Ten Plagues that the Lord visited upon Pharaoh and the Egyptians — updated and modernized to characterize what we, in the name of the American Way, have visited upon the Children of Iraq. The original transliterated Hebrew is followed by a modern equivalent. Poetic license is used; poetic justice is coming.
Those of you who are familiar with the traditional melodies of the Passover Seder will perhaps find some rough correspondence with the rhythms, if not the literal translations, of the Lord’s plagues as recorded in the Torah and in the Haggadah.
One of the most memorable parts of the Jewish Seder has participants dolefully chant the names of each of the plagues while dipping a finger into their cup of wine and placing a drop of it onto their plates… and the last plague is sung with a grim finality. Participants are instructed to remember these plagues with sorrow because even oppressors deserve consideration for their suffering.
O Children of America, hear the lamentations of your victims.
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1) Dohm — Blood — In our streets
2) Tze’far’day’ah — Occupation — Our country is filled with foreigners with guns! Why are they saying “Get off of OUR oil!”?
3) Kinim — Keening — The piteous sound of our parents, widows, widowers, children and orphans
4) Arov — Karl-Rove — Like a wild beast, he toys with us like pawns. Our lives mean nothing to him
5) Dever — Never — …will we forget the injustices done to us in the name of “freedom’s on the march!”
6) Sh’chin — Murder — They kill us, we kill each other… more blood in the streets
7) Barad — ElBaradei — Hail the peacemaker, whose wise counsel was cruelly rejected by the conquering Pharaoh
8) Arbeh — Larvae — We, the cradle of Western civilization, have lost our wings and been beaten into the earth; but we’ll escape this cocoon of death and fly again, one day
9) Choshech — Darkness — We have neither electricity, nor fresh water, nor sewage service
10) Makkat B’chorot. — Blackwater and Halliburton. — They say we wear no uniforms. Why do so many of our killers wear no US insignia?
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(Suggestions and improvements welcome; copy at will, with credit – tnx)
cathy @ 22
Has the MSM ever questioned the danger of Blackwater? I’ve never seen it mentioned.
btw, I cannot remember who it was who had family and friends working on the recent version of Charlotte’s Web, but I wanted to thank whoever it was for recommending it. You are absolutely right – it is magical and even my spider-phobic self is enjoying it for the umpteenth time this morning while watching it with The Peanut.
just so ya know -
courtesy
tbogg
Christy Hardin Smith @ 16
That’s what I was thinking. Wanted to check my take before enlarging the discussion.
Will the Goodlings, Sampsons, Pauloses et al get the message?
It wasn’t just what Shooter said. It was the clenched jaw delivery. He has cut off the person who was probably closest to him both personally & certainly politically. Quite a statement.
Webb on CNN now…
oh man, I have some good news
a little off topic and I’m sorry but right in there with the current events
listening to old water board cheney himself (I didn’t hear the entire interview), he said something that gives me great joy since he’s been wrong about everything, he said as follows;
“once the president vetoes the spending bill I believe congress will submit a “clean bill” for him to sign”
since he’s always wrong we can pretty much rest assured congress will not submit what karl rove has told them to call a “clean bill”
good, now we have to own the expression “clean bill” which has nothing to do with their implied meaning
we need to own “clean bill” and tell them in no uncertain terms we are giving them a clean bill and if they want to dirty it up that’s their perogative
If you guys get a chance, you can catch David Brooks looking particularly squirrely this morning on MtP. It’s a treat.
anonymous liberal over
at crooks and liars has
a really great piece taking
apart the white house’s talking
points/spin/dissemblers on why
they NEED the RNC mail accounts
“to comply with conflicting laws”. . .
i’d call it “how to stuff your
homework into the dog’s mouth. . .”
Christy @25
I’ve heard such good things about the new version of Charlotte’s Web. Guess I should put it at the top of the Netflix queue.
OT – what time is the fun scheduled to begin on Tuesday? I have to make arrangements to be off work….and FSM wants me to see this, cuz my boss suggessted just last week that I should take a couple of half days next week!
Christy, this is an amazing song. As corny as it is, it’s kind of rousing.
ccmask @ 21
an all volunteer force is rascist, it relies on the poor and the down trodden as the source of assets
jefferson wanted no such thing and wanted everyone to serve, no standing army but everyone to serve in their lives so there would always be assets when needed
what was jefferson, an alien from another planet with wisdom we would never learn?
so many principles that were spot on, like a free press as the fourth estate of oversite, like no volunteer army because it takes advantage of the poor
and the absolute fact that democracy is the natural state of man as we see in mamals, it is not a synthetic principle, it is nature…monarchy is synthetic, designed to mimic the democratic process we see in animals
what a genious, it boggles the mind
If I remember correctly, when you agree to help someone break the law, you can be charged for that same crime. It does appear we have a few instances of conspiracy, just a few.
Mr. Sessions knew the griffin had no qualifications at all, but bowed to pressure from someone involved in a criminal conspiracy. This makes him a part of that conspiracy.
or is there something I don’t understand about the law?
Absolute arrogance day after day after day. They can’t be bothered to try to get talking points out (re: Sessions) in less traceable ways than email. Perhaps they should have done more skulking in underground garages whispering messages. That might take longer but still much faster than using carrier pigeons.
solai @ 24
Blackwater “West” in San Diego County is on the front porch of the media’s LA epicenter.
Citizens’ opposition to Blackwater West has made local MSM (print/electronic) in So Cal -
the MSM there carried citizens’ “private army” framing… (so I’m told)
cathy @ 22
There a lots of security people in Iraq who are contractors paid to provide security services that are not/cannot be provided by US forces because we don’t have enought troops. There are legitimate concerns about the rules under which these contractors operate and whether they are subject to the rule of law. But I’m not aware of any evidence that proves these people are “paid assasins.”
Webb is sounding good on CNN
Ya gotta love that little Kermit fellow!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 25
Doing a little multitasking this morning?!
Christy is exactly right. Now if CBS and MSNBC would just give her a major spot in their lineup, well, maybe she would be corrupted eventually, and come to believe it was her birthright to be heard. I mean, that would happen to me, I’m pretty sure. But maybe not to Christy, because she has a lot of integrity, more that I do, I think.
Which of us can be sure how we would behave unless we’ve been tested by the very same circumstances as the likes of Don Imus, Frank Rich, and so on, have been found themselves in, namely, having fame and continual access to a mostly unearned megaphone?
Still, I’d bet on Christy before I’d bet on myself to keep that integrity. She is pretty strong.
mui at 33 — I love that song, and sing it to The Peanut all the time. It was the song that I crooned to her when I was pregnant and on bedrest trying not to miscarry — it got me through a lot of very dark moments, and she adores it even now as a rock me back to sleep after a nightmare song. RBG mentioned something to me yesterday about a Kermit song…and I dug up this YouTube as a Sunday treat. I’m glad you like it. :)
Webb calling the veep and prez’s approach “one dimensional”…
I like the meme.
Christy Hardin Smith @
25
Christy -
From Wikipedia:
E.B. White
OldCoastie @ 39
the more our politicians critisize the morons the higher their popularity soars
the other democrats have to have that pointed out to them
cathy @ 22
Thanks Kathy! :))
Stephen at 45 — Was one of my favorite books as a kid. :) (Pretty much anything by E.B. White is magical, really.)
That Jeff Sessions email story got me to thinking. I can envision some very interesting political ads next time around . . .
Split screen:
On one side, the above email of talking points, being read out by an unseen narrator. “Jeff Sessions (or other incumbent) takes direction well: . . .”
On the other, clips of Sen Sessions (or whatever republican incumbent is featured), dutifully reciting them.
Back and forth, back and forth . . .
Final shot: progressive challenger speaking to the camera — “I’m (name), and I can think and speak for myself. I’ll work to uphold the Constitution, not the power structures of Washington. In Congress, I’ll work to provide oversight of the executive branch, whoever controls it, to make sure that the people’s business is done. I’m (name), and I approve of this message. I hope you do too.”
CharleyTuna @ 15
Spot on. Follow the money. It’s the *economy* stupid. Whatever happened to the *barons* and *trusts* and the great wealth of the 1890’s. Did it go away? or just “disappear” – there but unseen all this time. Only a few could not become *invisible*, the Rockefellers, Mellons, etc. but the rest still own and control economic America and are behind the *35 Year Coup* that just nearly succeeded had not Congress just only fell to the progressive persuasion. That is the monster that requires the metaphorical *wooden stake* driven through its heart and lain to rest in perpetuity. What can be salvaged after the cancer of the body politic remains to be ascertained.
Ah got my zed (last post) and can retire now. Anybody want a slightly used handle? All the best……
They will never run out of paint and they will never change …….. they are part of the 30% who have consumed so much Kool-Aid they KNOW they are always right. And it helps they line the pockets of gigantic corporations so they will always be there!
Marcy dissects Gonzo’s wapoo editorial over at The Next Hurrah.
for mui -
drifty pic does Brooks so we don’t have to
cheney himself (I didn’t hear the entire interview), he said something that gives me great joy since he’s been wrong about everything,…
Not to quibble here, but I believe that is GWB who is *wrong* about everything – Cheney’s the guy who *lies* about everything.
Oops. Rather important typo here:
Should read “But when questions about how the Bush White House”
As written, it says the questioning is trying to politicize.
So no mention from anyone about the attack on the bridges in Baghdad this week? I believe one photo was posted on FDL of a totally destroyed bridge from Thursday. Yesterday another attack on the 2nd bridge, not as successful, but an attack nonetheless. There are 3 bridges. Otherwise NO CONVOYS of supplies to the green zone.
Arnie — hope you don’t go away. Your comments may far and few between, but I enjoy them. I agree the money needs to be followed carefully. 35 year coup —- yes, I wonder what will remain.
I can’t stand to watch the talking heads-so much jibber jabber. Did Graham, Specter and Kyl all have the same talking points?
Doesn’t matter-Gonzo is gone this week-no way he escapes this sordid mess. He lied he lied he continues to lie. If he doesn’t resign he must be impeached.
Bill Maher’s rant on DOJ and Pat Robertson U is a must see http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..f-the-doj/
Another “balanced panel” on MTP-Brook’s paleocon is not balanced by Robinson’ milquetoast (supposed) liberalism. WHERE IS JOE CONASON ON THESE SHOWS!!!
jayt @ 54
Cheney has been wrong about plenty as well.
Good morning all.
Kevster @ 58
Can he be impeached even after he resigns? I am unclear on how that piece works.
bg @ 56
That needs to be watched very closely. If U.S. military has any competence at all, they ought to be able to protect the bridges. But so it has been noted about inability to protect the road bet the A/P & Green Zone until it got so embarrassing that they did something about it.
Frankly, I don’t expect another bridge to go, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened. One factor I think I read about the bridge that was bombed, is that it was weakened by U.S. Shock ‘n Awe. Must be more like that.
Christy Hardin Smith @
19
Certainly not saying that BUSH wrote anything – saying that you are barking up the wrong tree – the folk’s in the white house do not lead this thing, they take marching orders along with RNC and GOP.
How about we talk about our REAL problems and not the clowns in front of the cameras?
Apparantly, yes, it is too much.
All that craven human nature and power stuff in the history books is not just history. It is what we are living through, here and now.
charlietuna @ 62
Plenty of both to go around. And it’s difficult to get to the structural problems of the burning building until you put out the fire.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 43
I try to sing it to my toddler nieces but I forget the words. I really do love that song.
charlietuna @ 62
I am reminded of a comment I saw earlier this week at FDL that Waxman had subpoenaed Bush’s writings, and that the prez had a temper tantrum because he wasn’t finished coloring that second one.
Yum! Unscrambled Sunday Morning eggs with Senator Specter. And George ‘Mr. BaseBall’ Will on why there are fewer black major league players; unwed Black moms. What you talking about Will?
eCAHNomics @
64
Analogy is interesting, but misses the main point – FIRST YOU HAVE TO SEE THE FIRE!
charlietuna @ 62
How about you write your own blog, and then you can talk about anything you want? Last I checked, trying to dictate content to a blogwriter and site hostess counted as Damned Rude.
charlietuna @ 68
We’re up to 70% who see at minimum a red glow on the horizon through those who see the roaring blaze.
As for the economic connections, the most effective political way to approach that, IMO, is emphasizing the shrinking middle class income, not spotlighting the krazy krony kapitalism of the powers-that-be. More people will understand from the POV of their own pocketbooks.
Will the Kool-Aid cartoon pitcher come crashing through the walls at the Senate hearings with Alberto Gonzales?
Inquiring minds want to know.
-GSD
P.S. David Brooks is retiring to his room to put bag-balm all over his ass after the chapping it was given by Gwenn Ifill.
GSD @ 71
Heck, you could put that on pay-per-view.
Certainly not saying that BUSH wrote anything – saying that you are barking up the wrong tree – the folk’s in the white house do not lead this thing, they take marching orders along with RNC and GOP.
Take marching orders from whom? Are we talking about real people here, people who actually write marching orders and hand them to the President of the US, to Cheney, to Rove? Who are these people?
GSD @ 71
Please clarify. I would like to see or read THAT!
cbl @ 53
A remarkable resemblance! Separated at birth I guess?
OT-good news and bad. I’m wireless! Weeeee. That was fun setting up at home (not).
The bad news is I’m at home and not in DC. My trip has been postponed, so I won’t be at the Judiciary Comm hearing on Tuesday. At least there’s C-Span.
Mr. Bush seems so afraid of his own incompetence that his handlers define performance out of every job description that touches his work. It’s unreasonable to expect competence, they tell us, and partisan to demand it. Not much of a step, then, to invert Kennedy’s inaugural question by redefining public service as what service the public can do for them. Which usually means keep quiet, play along and pay up.
Time for us no longer to go quietly into that good night, to reclaim what we expect. Good government is NOT an oxymoron; it’s what we’re paying for.
eCAHNomics @
70
Excellent points – even though the MSM has “catapulted the propaganda” that the economy is so great and that chimpy’s tax cuts have worked wonders – it is not part of the reality that 90% of Americas see.
The idea that housing could be collapsing and that the automakers are teetering towards bancrupsy while we have a great economy is absurd!
Scarecrow @
73
Follow the money trail…
Well, my soup is ready if anyone wants a cup. I made a bid pot of Northern Bean Soup with pasta and with the rain and miserable weather, I couldn’t have picked a better day. Soup line starts in the rear.
Scarecrow @ 73
may I suggest the name George Schultz along with his friends at the Hoover Institute(Stanford) for starters.
Scarecrow, I very much respect you and your opinions.
Blackwater’s mercenaries repeatedly and deliberately murder Iraqis.
Close enough to assasins for me.
I’m sorry for slandering paid casual serial killers as assasins, but the term pegs their ethics.
ccmask @ 80
Yummy!
Texas Betsey,
Gwenn Ifill was on Meet the Press and offered copius buckets of water in the faces of the ‘good ol’ boys’ Russert and David Brooks.
I have found very few African-American women who found Imus’ comments, cute, pithy, harmless or unimportant.
The foundation of America’s ‘good ol boy’ house is getting hammered to pieces.
-GSD
ChuckTaylor @ 67
Don’t blame Will. He was distracted – reminiscing about the 25 large that he got from Conrad Black for pimping his masterpiece bio of FDR. BTW, check out the amazon.ca “reviews”. Methinks that Will was not the only recipient of Black’s largesse.
Now that Black is being Fitz-ified in Federal court in Chicago, it may be a while before George Will gets another payment from him.
Kyl was quite annoying on CNN. He claims the Dems don’t have the right to RNC emails, and Blitzer didn’t bother to point out they were using these insecure accounts to discuss government business!!! That’s the entire problem in a nutshell.
ccmask @ 80
Thanks, man, I could use some here
what a dreary day.
EvilDrPuma @ 83
My father had an Italian name for it…I think it was Pasta Fazole?
Bob Schieffer is doing a great job of highlighting Cheney’s incompetence…..”why should Americans believe you NOW?!”
“Does this administration have a credibility problem?!” SNAPS!
ccmask @ 88
I’ll have to take your word for that.
It is instances like the Imus mess when insider/beltway folks like Condi Rice and Gwenn Ifill realize that they are still invited guests to the establishments table.
-GSD
charlietuna @ 78
But that’s great for us. The more the MSM repeats the meme that households don’t see in their own finances, the less they believe the MSM.
In 06 election, Iraq war was #1, but both R corruption & bad economy were important factors in turning the voters.
The VERY BEST graph of W’s economy is found at http://www.washingtonmonthly.c…..011073.php
Everything in W’s economy has been very subpar except corporate profits. It’s very easy to portray in actual statistics exactly how the Krony Kapitalism is working out.
As to voter fraud and civil rights, Jefferson Beaureagard Sessions III has some input:
He further admitted to calling the Voting Rights Act of 1965 a “piece of intrusive legislation,” a phrase he stood behind even in his confirmation hearings.
Ah yes, does Kool-Aid come in mint-julep flavor?
-GSD
“do you in anyway feel responsible” for scooter libby?
wow.
Cheney just says he hasn’t had the opportunity to talk with scooter.
Schieffer is not letting up on Cheney and Cheney is not handling it well.
From ABQ Journal:
http://www.abqjournal.com/news…..-15-07.htm
Cheny looks pissed, but he has “9/11, 9/11, 9/11″ to fall back on.
So tired of hearing about Imus.ccmask @ 88
Pasta Fagiola….pronounced ‘Pasta Fazool’
Delicious
Event shows tension between GOP candidates
The back-of-the-pack Republican presidential candidates began sniping at the front-runners Saturday night during an Iowa GOP fundraising dinner in Des Moines.
Dinner quotes:
Former Gov. Jim Gilmore: Rudy McRomney is not a conservative, and he knows he’s not a conservative”.
Huckabee: “Every single person who comes to this podium will tell you he’s a true conservative. You’ll have to sort out whether that’s true, but let me tell you the good news: At least it proves in our party it still matters to be a conservative and no one but a conservative has any hope of getting elected to the presidency from the Republican party in 2008.”
Tom Tancredo: “We have many good men in this race. Many have even recently converted to our cause. They are welcome, of course, but my concern is that the conversions have occurred not on the road to Damascus but on the road here to Des Moines.
Brownback: (wrt Giuliani & McCain) “We are a party based on principles, not personalities,” he said.
Tom Thompson: “We got beat in the last election. We went to Washington to change Washington, and I think Washington changed us. We tried to spend money as foolishly and as fast and as ridiculously as the Democrats. “If the voters are going to vote for a spender, they’ll always vote for the professional spenders, the Democrats,” he said.
McCain: ….the mood in the GOP is “not good. We just suffered a very severe defeat and our party has been knocked off it’s moorings, but it’s our own fault.”
http://desmoinesregister.com/a…..1/SPORTS09
MOrnin’!
This probably belongs in the “Talking Head Thread”, but I wanted to quickly comment that I just heard Richard Perle on Wolfie’s show, and he said something that stunned me.
He was criticising calls by Webb and others to try diplomacy with Syria and Iran. He said that (paraphrased here) “we don’t know what to say to them. If (critics like Webb) want us to negotiate, they need to tell us what to say to the Syrians and the Iranians”.
Holy freaking crap. He is admitting that the Bush administration has no idea how to be diplomatic.
I found that an amazing admission.
I hope everyone has a great day – I’m off to work.
Elliott @ 81
So, you’re telling me we know that George Schultz gives marching orders to the Prez, the VP, to Rove? I don’t believe this.
Look, you can claim that lots of people/corporations have varying degrees of influence with this administration, and that there is a link between who these people are and the accumulation and protection of wealth — I don’t dispute this — but I don’t see how that supports an unqualified blanket statement that these unnamed people give “marching orders” to the Administration.
OldCoastie @
11
This can only happen if independent-minded reporters go against the grain of the owners of the publications they work for. The Republican party, beginning with Reagan and deregulation, has been allowing them to aggregate into media giants for a long time, and they owe the Republicans big-time, as Cheney would say. They know that under Democrats, regulation would rear its “ugly head” and try to contain their untrammeled growth.
In other words, journalistic heroism of the highest order is needed, and it is very hard to do that if feeding your family depends on toeing the editorial party line. Yes, there are reporters in the MSM who are bravely reporting events honestly, but they may be putting their careers on the line, God bless them.
valletta @ 89
Respectfully beg to disagree w/you but my take was “softball” interview. Schieffer *never* followed up up on any of these questions but let shooter run his mouth for an extended so-called answer every time.
Glad I missed Perle. What he proved is that HE has no idea what he’s talking about. Think tank hacks rarely do. Which is the exact reason he should never be on tv again.
Why not book me for the talk shows? I don’t know anything about diplomacy either!
ccmask @ 98
I’ll give you odds that none of these bozos can even define the word “conservative.”
Shorter Huckabee: “We are oh, so boned.”
Well, Tommy-Boy, since going to Damascus counts as treason to you people, what do you expect?
Shorter Brownback: “We are oh, so boned.”
Shorter Thompson: “We are oh, so boned; yadda, yadda, yadda.”
EvilDrPuma @ 90
I’m not Italian but not bad in the kitchen, and I love Italian food. I believe the name is is “pasta e fagioli” meaning pasta with beans.
Waccamaw @ 102
Hmm, I took his bumbling “9/11 changed everything” responses to all of Bob’s questions and Cheney’s continuing non-answers to the scooter libby questions to be very illuminating. Bob asked five or six questions about Libby and said he was astonished that Cheney had not contacted Libby. Russert would not have said that, IMHO.
LOFT,
To Bush, Perle, Rove and the neo-con thinktankers……any and all diplomacy is weakenss. The world is like a prison to them and the only way to have cred is through brute force and intimidation. Anything else is considered very….err…French.
-GSD
Elliot
Scarecrow
charlietuna
The way the Krony Kapitalism works is that no one has to give marching orders to anyone. Everyone knows the game without speaking about it. If you’ve every gotten about half way up management in a large govt or corporation, you know the way the game is played. Plenty of mano a mano (sp?) deals going on, plenty of blathering about how to get more than your fair share, etc., but no central command. It’s a self-organizing system of the in-people, to take a line from chaos theory.
Oh, and shorter McCain: “It’s all our fault, so we stay the course.”
landofthefree @ 99
Wow! Maybe they should hire some actual diplomats for the state dept? Or as ambassadors?
TexasBetsy @ 110
That’s exactly the kind of old-fashioned horse sense that gives aid and comfort to the terrorists!
EvilDrPuma @ 111
Rice, in her transformative diplomacy initiative, suggested that more diplomatics speak foreign languages. Does that mean the terrists won?
Yeah, Solai & dreamcatcher, that’s it. Thanks
Mondale’s having a hard time not defending Carter’s book.
I think whoever thought up the line “11/7 changed everything” should get an award. Best line on the blogs.
eCAHNomics @ 112
Who can tell? We’re Americans–how the hell can we know who’s winning if everybody’s speaking foreign languages? There are six billion people on this planet, and it’s pretty damned rude of them not to speak English!
GSD @ 84
She did. I sung her praises in the last thread. Didn’t David Brooks look positively squirrely, squirming in his chair and all? Love the way Brooks, Harwood and Timmy all toted out Rap Music as a “counter” point. HoJoe would have chimed with glee if he’d been there. As if rappers have the same influence on public policy, like members of the Republikan hegemony.
“As the Iraqis stand-up, the United States will stand down.”
Looks like these Iraqis are standing up alright. But they are standing up TO the Americans:
Meanwhile, dozens of Iraqi policemen demonstrated in front of their Baghdad station Sunday, accusing U.S. forces of treating them like “animals” and “slaves.”
The protest took place at Rashad station in Baghdad’s eastern neighborhood of Mashtal.
Officers chanted “No, no to America! Get out occupiers!” while U.S. troops in two humvees and a Bradley fighting vehicle watched from a distance.
Surge, glorious surge.
-GSD
Scarecrow @ 100
you’re right, it doesn’t support a blanket statement. I was offering up a name of a specific conservative leader, one who actually interviewed George W. Bush before he got Schultz’s “blessing” to run for President. And from my memory of the time, the Republican Party put forth one candidate for the Republican Party voters to “choose” from during their 2000 Presidential primary. And they did not appreciate McCain wasting their money in a primary fight where the candidates bad mouth each other.
AZ Matt @ 95
This actually puts Abu in an almost favorable light.
He tried to say no to Rove, but then Bush’s Brain sent a
message down its central nervous system to one of its appendages,
and the deed was done.
EvilDrPuma @ 116
Perhaps we should lock up the 6 billion in an undisclosed location with total sensory deprivation until they learn English?
eCAHNomics @ 121
Damned right! And if Canada sends us one more cold air mass, I say nuke Alberta till it glows!
Typically OT-
Interest in Al Jazeera memo will bump up this week if the trial date is true. Kilfoyle decision “soon”. Ahmadinejad took a distraction off the table.
mui @ 117
I seem to have slept through the last thread. (blush)
Halfway through the Chris Matthews show which raps up my Sunday morning tv watching.
No one mentioned the Baghad bridges being destroyed on any news show (which is shameful). I keep thinking of the article/blog I read a while back with the headline “Will We Have to Fight Our Way Out”
I never realised that Kermit play banjo left-handed… er… left-pawed… er… whatever.
Christy,
That song was especially healing for me today. Thank you.
———–one of the dreamers
why, oh why, does that John Roberts on CNN keep INSISTING that the Dems are somehow cutting off war funding?
and why doesn’t Wolfie call him on it?
Curious in CT @ 57
Thanks for your comment.
Am commenting from Europe and miss out on most interesting threads as well as starting to feel quite uneasy about security issues about using the net, and would not want to be a possible source of a guilt by association sort of thing (Brave New World). I’ll leave brave for someone else, thanks.
I was at James Connelly as it was closing, are you near there?
I try to follow the news over FDL as best I can but have nothing much to contribute. Nobody said to take notes – and keep them when I was growing up, you were expected to use memory then. Thank again and All the best…….
OldCoastie @ 128
Starting tomorrow, Roberts will be co-hosting CNN’s American Morning.
THe HuffPo just put the Albuquerque Journal article, Domenici Sought Iglesias Ouster, up as their headline. Pete Domenici, Rove and Bush are going to have a hard time squirming out of this. This gone national now. Bye-bye Pete!
OldCoastie @ 128
Why don’t they all get brain transplants?
Chris Matthews just said that Ahnold will run against Barbara Boxer
egregious @
127
E,
Your faith in humanity is irrepressible. You always give heart to us cynics.
-GSD
On a related note, I am baffled by the response to Luskin’s revelation that Rove deleted a lot of his email. It is not like Rove created these emails just for his own reading pleasure, he sent them to his co-conspirators and replied to their emails as well. Since we know almost all of the participants in this conspiracy, unless Rove got all of them to delete their Inbox and Sent folders, it doesn’t matter if Rove deleted his copies or not, we can get copies from one or more of the participants in the email chain – either from their Inbox or Sent folders. Waxman will have them soon. I am surprised that the press is gleefully just reporting how smart Rove was in outwitting the investigators by deleting his email and not pointing out this obvious fact. Is Rove really that dumb to think that just because he deleted his copies, these emails are gone for ever, they are there even without having to resort digital heroics of painstakingly reconstructing them from all the servers involved. Or is he counting on the press and the congress to drop the matter? Might have worked in the bad old days, but not anymore methinks.
twolf1 @ 129
I cant stomach these hosts spewing their own bias and saying they are newsmen
GSD—now you’re gonna make me cry. Thank you. I’m a cynic too but there are so many people that I love who do NOT understand and can NOT take action but I can. So I must.
The GOP website has devoted a whole page to tearing up John Edwards, calling him the
Counterfeit Country Boy, because he has a job and a nice home.
http://www.gop.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=6894
MERCENARIES
Bush’s Shadow Army
April 2, 2007 issue of The Nation – cover story by Jeremy Scahill
An investigation into Blackwater USA reveals a frightening picture of a politically connected private army that serves as the administration’s Praetorian guard.
“>Massive security contractor faces growing protest in rural California town over 842-acre base:
Surrounded by the Cleveland National Forest, [Potrero, CA.] boasts a former chicken ranch and includes an environmentally sensitive, protected agricultural preserve southeast of San Diego. If private security contractor
Blackwater USA gets its way, this 850-strong community will soon host an 824-acre military training base, replacing the erstwhile chicken ranch with fifteen firing ranges and an emergency vehicle operator’s course the length of ten football fields.
RJ Hillhouse: The Spy Who Billed Me
Cresent Security Group – Integrity-Commitment-Success
Also, I’d like to share a recent message from a friend of mine…
[My son] says this book is incredible–the author actually joined up and travelled around the Middle East to find out what the story is with these private armies. He also told me one of his friends is going to join Blackwater. Do you know he will make $180,000 tax free per year working 3 months on, one month off? He also said there are over 90 private security companies operating in Iraq, with at least 150,000 “contractors”.
This is the stuff that no one puts together while reading newspaper stories. it’s like they always leave out some vital info that would link everything together.
Book by Robert Young Pelton:
Licensed to Kill: Hired Guns in the War on Terror
(my apologies to the mod squad for all the links)
AZ Matt @ 131
I guess from now on, instead of “US attorneys serve at the pleasure of the president,” they will have to say, “US attorneys serve at the pleasure of big-shot senators.”
Hey, why the hell not, Bush can always count on Domenici’s vote. You scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours. That’s politics.
Yes, you say, but shouldn’t the DOJ be above politics?
Only in your dreams.
I wish John Roberts would spontaneously combust. I am so completely outraged every time I hear the MSM whores carry water for this criminal cabal. If there is one thing I wish could go away more than bushco, it would be every anchor on cable teevee save for Olberman.
solai @ 125
We get weekend Tweety on Sat. morning, and I noticed there was no comments on very current events, either. Given that David Gregory filled in on Hardball this week, they probably put that show in the can a week or two ago.
In any event, I really don’t need to see Mrs. 18% Majority in a mini skirt ever again.
Really.
Especially at 6:30 in the morning!
Y’oughta read Gonzo’s lame-assed cry-me-a-tsunami “Nothing Improper” OpEd in the WaPo, and look at the now- 31 pages of derision napalm comments. Alberto, hermano, you are frigging done, bro’.
BTW- my paper printed my latest little missive of civil, reasoned discourse this morning, LOL!
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IIRC Charlotte’s Web was the first W.A. White Children’s Book Award as well.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @
45
From the NYTimes Editorial
I have been doing election monitoring since 2001, a little mentioned bit of trivia is that it was Primary Day here in NY on 9/11.
I teach courses on this subject I am in the middle of publishing a book on this subject, I have founded monitoring programs. This is something I knwo quite a bit about.
Voter Fraud, to the extent it exists in statistiaclly meanigful quantitites almost always involves ABSENTEE ballots.
So, ID rules and poll taxes won’t help a bit.
Voter suppression a/k/a Election Fraud, has about a thousand permutations which may be worht doing a full blown post about.
The Times has hit a bullseye with this one!
I am weary of the neocons, the conservatives, the GOP and the wingnuts derisively referring to liberals and progressives as “moral relativists”. Just take a look at the Republican Party over the last seven years. And I ask you, who exactly are the ‘relativists’?
BobbyG @ 143
Oh snap!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 146
The Rs aren’t relativists; they’re corruptuavists.
EPU’d from late night.
An update on my gizmo experiments
Did everyone catch Toobin saying Ds ask stupid Qs because they like to listen to themselves talk & Gonzo is staying because R bleeding has ended?
Gov. Goodhair wants to be a dictator just like George.
Alternet Link
eCAHNomics @ 149
I caught that too(bin). He said Dems aren’t good at asking questions, they like to talk more than question, so that will be a plus for AbuG.
eCAHNomics @ 150
No, I had to turn it off at the first words uttered by Roberts. Wolfie sits there in some pathetic coma unable to call anyone on statements that fail to reflect reality.
AP – Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said Sunday he has done nothing improper in the firings of eight federal prosecutors in testimony prepared for his appearance before a Senate panel widely viewed as a last chance to save his job.
And Nixon said “I am not a crook”.
eCAHNomics @ 150
I gotta tell you, I tend to agree with Toobin on the first point. For a committee that you have to be a lawyer to be on, I’ve never seen a bunch of people waste a specified amount of time more. Were it me, I’d be right to the questions out of the box. And for those who disagree with me, I have two words for you…Joe Biden.
BobbyG @ 143
I read it, and quite astonishingly, he refers to the strength of America being in the Constitution. This is after he has done everything in his power to put that sacred document into the DOJ shredder.
I am referring of course to legalizing torture, warrantless wiretapping, trashing of habeas corpus, seeking to appoint US attorneys without the advice and consent of Congress, and other crimes against the Constitution.
The 8 attorney firings are minor compared to these larger acts of malfeasance against the whole country.
What arrogance!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 154
And why the hell isn’t the written statement on the MSM websites so we ALL can read it?
1,487 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen solai and the Firepup Patriots:
We are past the tipping point for havin to “fight our way out”…that’s why negotiations and diplomacy with the major players in the area (including Iran and Syria) are so important. We are WAAAY beyond the time when we can do a backwards shuffle into major airstrips and fly our folks out without the cooperation of one side or the other in this civil way we have deliberately created.
In fact, if there is a coalition of “national unity” between the Sunnis and the Shia, then we are gunna hafta move at least a division into the country to create enough space to get the existing troops out…kinda like jumpin’ into the quicksand to save your buddy from the quicksand.
I don’t think that most people, even here on the most informed blogspace on the net, have an understanding of just how completely trapped our forces are in that country. The policy of the fascist leadership is deliberate…break the military, trap existing forces in a “no exist” situation, resign from executive power and allow a horrendous defeat. The next administration is left with no army, a bankrupt treasury and the corporate oligarchy is the only force in the country with a trained, equipped and experienced military force (mercenary).
The above situation exists right now…the defeat of our forces and the collapse of our traditional military has been part of the fascist strategy since the beginning. Unless we speed up the timetable and force resignations which will allow us to get control of the diplomacy necessary to forge a peace agreement with the major playerz in the region, we are gunna see thousands of American troops killed and domestic politics blown up.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!
MTP is on now here on the west coast. Gwen Ifill is smacking Brooks around like a toy. This is so good to see, finally, on tv. The truth is so refreshing.
dratty @ 155
Before 11/06 or afterwards? I’ve noticed a big diff in quality of questions after 11/06. 11/06 changed everything.
Oklahoma kiddo @
146
*Bill Bennett never criticized gamblers.
*Armstrong Williams wasn’t paid that much for state directed propaganda
*Rush Limbaugh never criticized prescription drug users.
*The Bush administration created a larger more intrusive government because 9/11 changed everything.
*Newt Gingrich’s affairs were a private matter not a public spectacle.
*Hillary Clinton should have done the Christian thing and divorced her husband.
*Democrats practice divisive partisan politics. Republicans play hardball.
*Judge Alito’s wife was subjected to horrendous public humiliation at the hands of the Democrats and that is ungentlemanly. Pencil pushing lifetime beaureaucrat Val Wilson is fair game when it comes to hardball politics.
The beat goes on.
-GSD
New thread from Christy Hardin Smith.
Charlotte’s Web lovers: haven’t seen the recent movie, but the old ’70’s animated version (Agnes Moorehead doing the goose, Debbie Reynolds Charlotte, Paul Lynde Templeton the rat) is priceless.
Oklahoma kiddo @
154
Don’t you believe them both?
Fresh thread up and running for everyone.
Subway Serenade @ 149
Very, very cool. BTW …. what exactly does EPU stand for?
Christy,
Late start for me at the lake this morning. I turned on the teevee just in time for Imus on MTP and This Week. (WTF) I thought I would give Face the Nation a try and (Blech) there was Shooter. Then I come to the lake and who greets me? Kermit, how cute and what a precious song. Thanks for making my world right again.
lolo
Russian official: Syria-Israel tensions might escalate into war
Russian National Security Council Secretary Igor Ivanov warned during a visit to Israel last week that the tense cease-fire between Jerusalem and Damascus might escalate into war if the two parties mutually miscalculate their strength.
Norske,
Are there not enough historic examples of what happens when a military force is overextended and in hostile territory?
Napolean in Russia?
The Russians in Afghanistan?
The French in Vietnam?
The English in, gulp, Al Kut?
They are courting a disaster..their hope is to run out the clock and leave that fiasco in someone elses hands……But like that old song says, time won’t let them wait that long.
Norske, look upthread and read the post with the link to todays’ Yahoo news on Iraq.
2 UK choppers down and Iraqi police protesting American forces saying they are being treated like ‘animals’ and ’slaves’ by the Americans.
Add on the reports out of Afghanistan that US troops reportedly responded to a bombing a few weeks ago by turning on Afghani civilians and killing as many as forty in running rampage?
Also notice that Al Qaeda style insurgencies are starting to seep back into Arab countries like Morocco and Algeria.
Bush and the neo-nutsies are getting there beloved clash of civlilzations. As Gore Vidal called it ‘never ending war, for never ending peace’.
-GSD
Kevster @
58
Thinking about it, I’m pretty gonzo will stay. Dear Leader can’t afford to have him go — he knows too much. And gonzo hasn’t given any indication that he’ll do a Harriet Mier and quietly retire to a patronage position back in Texas.
So, looks to me like Shooter, Rove, and gonzo are pretty much fixtures thru the next 2 years. Dear Leader isn’t allowed to get rid of Shooter and he’ll protect the other two cause that’s protecting his own skin.
Now, whether Rove is throwing Bush under the bus or not is another question. Is Rove just letting him screw everything up so that he can later say it was all bushie’s fault? Rove has to have written 08 off, but might be positioning himself for 12 or 16 …
The voter fraud thing is crap.
This is all about “the math”. Republicans go into every national election under 50%, so it’s all about getting it close enough to steal. You know, get what you can out of Gays, Guns & God.
Now that they’re down in the low 30% range, the mantra seems to be “If you can’t get ‘em to vote for you, don’t let ‘em vote at all”.
Which gets us back to the significance of the DOJ mess, and the strategic importance of having political hacks in such powerful positions.
looseheadprop @ 145
I have been doing election monitoring since 2001, a little mentioned bit of trivia is that it was Primary Day here in NY on 9/11.
I teach courses on this subject I am in the middle of publishing a book on this subject, I have founded monitoring programs. This is something I knwo quite a bit about.
Voter Fraud, to the extent it exists in statistiaclly meanigful quantitites almost always involves ABSENTEE ballots.
So, ID rules and poll taxes won’t help a bit.
Voter suppression a/k/a Election Fraud, has about a thousand permutations which may be worht doing a full blown post about.
The Times has hit a bullseye with this one!
I am hoping you can answer a question I have had: If African-Americans make up roughly 12% of the US population, and not nearly enough AA vote, why is voter fraud always refererrd to as “voting while black,” would that small percentage of voters make that much difference in an election?
eyesonthestreet @ 172
I am hoping you can answer a question I have had: If African-Americans make up roughly 12% of the US population, and not nearly enough AA vote, why is voter fraud always refererrd to as “voting while black,” would that small percentage of voters make that much differen
ce in an election?
Depends on the district I suppose.
I saw that Toobin thing. He thinks that *all* the Dems on the committee ask bad questions? I think yeah, some of them are pretty clueless, but so are the water-carrying GOoPers, and that’s most of *them*.
GSD @
169
*Correction: It should be noted that I should have written as many as “forty casualties” and not forty killed.
-GSD
Link to Afghan story.
Texas Betsy @
166
A fine poster whose monicker is “evilparalleluniverse” aka EPU, had the unfortunate habit of often posting his/her remarks just as the thread rolled over to a new one. From that time on, at FDL, being EPU’s means putting your post up just as a new thread comes up.
Texas Betsy @173:
“Depends on the district I suppose.”
Morning Texas, yes, maybe, but that is assuming AA all vote the same, which is not the case. Any block of voters could tip an election, but this is not a “block” per se.
LOL!!! Sessions being supplied “talking points”? The leading Republican ideologue in the Senate doesn’t need talking points. He probably writes them.
Does it escape everyone’s memory that when Arlen Specter was chairman of the committee he decided that Alfonso was so honest and truthful it wasn’t necessary for him to testify “under oath”? So now Specter “wants the facts”? Get Real!!!!!
crosspost from TPM
I don’t agree with those who claim that Bush’s hand in the DOJ firings is just “unethical”, and not “illegal.”
I can’t say why for sure, but it seems to me there were just too many hoops to jump through for us to accept the “President’s pleasure” bullarky.
There is just too much subterfuge involved for this not to cross legal lines, but IANAL so I can’t say for sure where those lines are.
I’m sure if Bush was a Democrat, one of the remaining 85 DOJ co-consporators would be able to find enough “thin” charges to toss him and Rove and Deadeye in the pokey.
Wouldn’t it be real justice if those tables could be turned?
But is there much doubt that the earliest wiretaps were a violation of our own federal laws, and if Bush ordered or signed-off on those (not just the ones they have admitted to, but the ones we don’t know about yet) he committed high crimes, not misdemeanors?
Assuming they would hold onto both houses was their one(really big)political mistake. Had this political sea-change not occured, Bush, Cheney, Rove et al might have gotten away with the biggest “heist” in history.
Considering the billions their war-machine bubbas have hauled in, they probably think they have, ultimately, succeeded.
They anticipated remaining in the Republican-controlled shadows throughout their tenure, but now, because of their own unmitigated hubris, oversight equals sunshine.
SURPRISE!!!
“Here comes the sun…
Here comes the sun,
and I say, ‘Its’ allright’”
The light shines through the darkness, as all the little cockroaches scurry for the cracks.
You go Christy!
Firedoglake continues to fan the “firestorm” And as you said last week the Bush administration has basically been saying “go Cheney yourselves” and maybe just maybe they have “Cheney’d” the people and our constitution just too many times. Due to the Republican controlled congress’s unwillingness to hold the Bush administration accountable for their many crimes, some in the Democratically controlled congress have listened and we are witnessing ACCOUNTABILITY TIME for very serious crimes committed against the American people and crimes against humanity (the Iraqi people).
Thank you Christy and other FDL writers for all of your research and work
Was unable to watch the Sunday news shows. Went to the Meet the Press website and the Zinni interview is not up yet. Does anyone have another link?
If you have not seen the interview that David Gregory did with Zinni on April 11 on Hardball it is worth the watch.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/
Many of us heard Zinni before the invasion give clear and wise reasons not to invade a sovereign nation that had not attacked us. I know many of us took our stand against the invasion based on what we were hearing Zinni, Albright, Brezinski, Ritter, El Baradei, Kofi Anan, Carter and many more who warned against such an invasion. Here is one of Zinni’s interviews on NPR that influenced me early on before http://www.npr.org/templates/s…..Id=1149119
Zinni’s thinking about his meeting in front of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Feb.11,
http://www.npr.org/templates/s…..Id=5323611
Here is the testimony of Feith, Grossman, Zinni on Feb 11, 2003. If you have never read this. Seriously worth while. Feith is a lying psychopath.
http://www.iraqwatch.org/gover…..021103.htm
Kennedy must have been talking to Zinni before the invasion
http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/new…..012403.htm
Christ All mighty if only the Bush administration had not been so bloody successful with their endless lies being repeated without serious challenges coming from most of the press. If only Judy Miller had not had the freedom to write endless unsubstantiated claims, turning out to be complete lies about WMD’s in Iraq in the New York Times. Hundreds of thousands of people would still be alive today, hundreds of thousands would not be injured and millions of Iraqi’s would not be displaced.
Those who voted for the war resolution based on lies, many in the press who did not do their jobs (New York Times etc, but most of all those who created and dessiminated (Office of Special Plans, White House Iraq Group, Office of Net Assessments) are up to their collective necks in Iraqi and American blood and body parts.
We want to witness those responsible for the WMD lies held ACCOUNTABLE. This is the very least our reps can do for those who have lost their lives in this “war of choice”.
we need the “EPU” definition posted on the home page…
Not only did I ask that question on my first visit, I’ve seen it now about a dozen times.
Just one more proof that FDL is an internet icon, “we” can claim more than one newly-coined phrase in the colorful, chameleon vernacular of the blogosphere!
Kathleen at 180;
WOW, that’s a serious piece of commentary.
Thanks!!! This is a nice collection, I’ll save it to the desktop file with all the other very well-written and thought-out works I have gleaned from this site.
JEP @ 182
Thanks I am just a peasant and I am pissed off with all of the lies, death,
injuries and destruction.
I know I’m late to this thread. But if we are to expect the R’s to exhibit integrity a nd independence we only need look to the MSM to see this expectation is folly. I have not seen MSM challenge R talking points since Reagan. I have seen the mentally ill being expelled from safe, and yes sometimes bad institutions,put out onto the streets. I have seen more homeless sleeping in doorways. I have heard about our ‘might’ in attacking Granada. I have read accounts of babies in incubators in Kuwait being murdered.
Has any of this been challenged by MSM? And neither will the talking points being tossed about by the Bush administration (like anti-depressants and diet pills) for us to swallow.
When was the last time a Dem was held up as a positive model on MSM? Did you see the Nancy Pelosi/Campbell Brown interview? We have “journalists” who are sleeping with (literally) the honchos in the administration. When we finally get independence in TV and print news, it will be when GE and other war profiteering corporations divest themselves of those same news providers.
At the end of MSNBC news, they don’t show the GE tower because it’s part of the skyline.
eyesonthestreet @
172
I am hoping you can answer a question I have had: If African-Americans make up roughly 12% of the US population, and not nearly enough AA vote, why is voter fraud always refererrd to as “voting while black,” would that small percentage of voters make that much difference in an election?
ABSOLUTELY! That’s why it’s Rove’s primary issue. Think Florida in 2000, Ohio in 2004. Think of the razor thin margins in the races that gave Democrats control of the Senate; the many close races among top Republican members of Congress, on the rails because of their close association with Bush. Think of the many statehouse races that give Republicans control of legislatures.
For Karl, politics is not war by other means. It’s just war.
JEP @ 181
I have come back to this thread hoping to learn the definition of EPU myself. Often times I wish I had an FDL dictionary. A while back a link was posted to someone’s site with exactly that. I thought it was posted in the Coming Out Party thread, but I combed the entire thing and couldn’t find it. Does anyone recall who’s site that is?
Just last night I learned this one:
c>n|k
geek shorthand for
coffee thru nose to keyboard
Elliott @ 119
Interesting that you should name George Schultz. Charlie Rose once interviewed Schultz and showed clips of Schultz “exploring” George W.’s interest in becoming president and, then, explaining to Charlie Rose that, while Bush had never prepared himself for that role and knew little about it, he showed great promise and asked interested questions.
At that point, when an experienced and intelligent politician such as Schultz uttered such hooey, I knew that some other forces were at work behind the scenes.
This, in combination with James Baker III showing up in FL in 2000 and, then, running to the Supreme Court to get GWB installed as president, convinced me that big, nefarious forces are at work that (a) care littleabout people, (b) care little for the US Constitution, and (c) are willing to pursue their secret agenda at any cost – any cost.
That is when I envisioned the struggle (provided that people would ever wake up and realize that their freedom was being pulled out from under them, piece by piece) with a metaphor that I recently mentioned in a post:
We are fighting our way out of a Russian Marisotshka doll (the nesting dolls). When you crack open one layer, there is a another, even bigger layer …
We have not come near the outer layer yet, as far as I can tell. Bush II/Rove/Cheney ain’t it.
One of the outer dolls – or layers of power grabbers – is occasionally showing its slip. Whenever Baker III shows up, the slip is showing … that’s when something went off the rails in their nefarious plans.
Examples:
– Baker III “rescued” the FL election (a young Bush not having delivered it properly)
– Baker III heads the Iraq Study Group (the other young Bush, the Boy King, not having delivered “Mission Accomplished sine problems”)
Bush I Baker III (who is incidentally also the lawyer defending the Saudis against the 9/11 families) Schultz
all the money in the world (non of which is under the control of any state or country) together form another layer of the Marisotshka doll.
Add to this, the establishment of a private army – Blackwater – that is accountable to no one in our present layer of the Marisotschka and you have a vision of the world that is a true nightmare.
I am immensely grateful to this blog for spreading the wake-up call and thankful beyond words to the New Democratic Congress. Let’s hope they can crack the outer layers of the bad Marisotshka before it chokes us to death by, for example, starting WW III.
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What this world needs is more peasants and fewer honchos. It is the ingrained drive of some people to lord it over others that causes most of the grief in the world.
The wise Frenchman Blaise Pascal said that most of the problems in the world are caused by people who cannot sit quietly in their own room.