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		<title>By: bob h</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Healthier food?  Yep.  Little more exercise?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We have the example of our beloved Steve Gilliard here.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Healthier food?  Yep.  Little more exercise?”</p>
<p>We have the example of our beloved Steve Gilliard here.</p>
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		<title>By: weffie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/14/pull-up-a-chair-43/#comment-623729</link>
		<dc:creator>weffie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I just read a fantastic book by Chris Bohjalian called “The Double Bind.” If you’ve read it you know you need to go back to “The Great Gatsby.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read a fantastic book by Chris Bohjalian called “The Double Bind.” If you’ve read it you know you need to go back to “The Great Gatsby.”</p>
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		<title>By: Chief</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/14/pull-up-a-chair-43/#comment-623532</link>
		<dc:creator>Chief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ms. Smith,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m glad you are eating healthy.  Not to get on to high a soapbox, but you really want to go to great lengths to avois bypass surgury.  Getting rid of the trans fatty acids and high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) and doing 30 minutes of cardio-vascular exercise a day will go a long way to avoiding post-op extreme pain from aving your chest opened up.  Been there, done that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Smith,</p>
<p>I’m glad you are eating healthy.  Not to get on to high a soapbox, but you really want to go to great lengths to avois bypass surgury.  Getting rid of the trans fatty acids and high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) and doing 30 minutes of cardio-vascular exercise a day will go a long way to avoiding post-op extreme pain from aving your chest opened up.  Been there, done that.</p>
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		<title>By: Sierra Volk</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/14/pull-up-a-chair-43/#comment-623417</link>
		<dc:creator>Sierra Volk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;E had a theatre reading she was performing at, was out for the evening. Meanwhile, i got back to the digs and O around seven, cooked burgers, watched a movie. Talked about life and death, and love, and loss. In the midst of this, Papa-san called us! O answered the phone, and talked to him for about ten minutes, then explained that E wasn’t here, then passed the phone to me. What ensued was the most amazing conversation i’ve ever had with the man, as he lies there in his hospital bed. Open, honest, loving, fearful, brave, tearfull, laughter, all of it. No one had apparently told him that E was coming out there tomorrow; i hastened to assure him it was to help Mom and her brother Chris, which gave him permission to accept it gratefully. I said I know you’re facing this huge hurdle, physically and spiritually, and he said oh yes, mostly spiritually, and proceeded to talk to me about the state of his spirit in deep and amazing terms. I was so honored. At the end, he broke a bit, and became a small child, and asked in that small-child voice if, if things went badly, could he call me and talk to me about what my mom and i had talked about as she was passing over? I said of course, of course, oh yes. I told him i loved him, i thanked him for the father he had become to me over these years, replacing the father i had lost or never fully had. Someone came into the room, and he had to go. It was a conversation of deep meaning and love, and full of awareness that it could be our last.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then O snuggled up to me on the couch, and we had more deep conversation about death, and life, and coping with loss. We went through all the loved ones who were going to die, sooner or later, and pretty much covered everyone we knew, including me and the cats. And i pointed out to him that he too, someday, would die, which makes living all that much more important, moment to moment, while you still can. We didn’t wander into realms of speculation about afterlife or reincarnation, just the fact that all living things dies. I watched him regain acceptance of that, and stroked his hair. He fell asleep in my arms, there.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>E had a theatre reading she was performing at, was out for the evening. Meanwhile, i got back to the digs and O around seven, cooked burgers, watched a movie. Talked about life and death, and love, and loss. In the midst of this, Papa-san called us! O answered the phone, and talked to him for about ten minutes, then explained that E wasn’t here, then passed the phone to me. What ensued was the most amazing conversation i’ve ever had with the man, as he lies there in his hospital bed. Open, honest, loving, fearful, brave, tearfull, laughter, all of it. No one had apparently told him that E was coming out there tomorrow; i hastened to assure him it was to help Mom and her brother Chris, which gave him permission to accept it gratefully. I said I know you’re facing this huge hurdle, physically and spiritually, and he said oh yes, mostly spiritually, and proceeded to talk to me about the state of his spirit in deep and amazing terms. I was so honored. At the end, he broke a bit, and became a small child, and asked in that small-child voice if, if things went badly, could he call me and talk to me about what my mom and i had talked about as she was passing over? I said of course, of course, oh yes. I told him i loved him, i thanked him for the father he had become to me over these years, replacing the father i had lost or never fully had. Someone came into the room, and he had to go. It was a conversation of deep meaning and love, and full of awareness that it could be our last.</p>
<p>Then O snuggled up to me on the couch, and we had more deep conversation about death, and life, and coping with loss. We went through all the loved ones who were going to die, sooner or later, and pretty much covered everyone we knew, including me and the cats. And i pointed out to him that he too, someday, would die, which makes living all that much more important, moment to moment, while you still can. We didn’t wander into realms of speculation about afterlife or reincarnation, just the fact that all living things dies. I watched him regain acceptance of that, and stroked his hair. He fell asleep in my arms, there.</p>
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		<title>By: fahrender</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/14/pull-up-a-chair-43/#comment-623258</link>
		<dc:creator>fahrender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;a couple of weeks ago, on my birthday, i went with a bunch of teenagers and adults and planted trees in a rural area northwest of dresden. we planted more than 270 trees. i contributed twenty euros which paid for two trees. that’s not much, but imagine the kind of difference it would make if everybody did it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a couple of weeks ago, on my birthday, i went with a bunch of teenagers and adults and planted trees in a rural area northwest of dresden. we planted more than 270 trees. i contributed twenty euros which paid for two trees. that’s not much, but imagine the kind of difference it would make if everybody did it.</p>
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		<title>By: Maddy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/14/pull-up-a-chair-43/#comment-623219</link>
		<dc:creator>Maddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT-John Edwards Is saying some good things in a forum with Move on. Don’t know if it is live.&lt;br /&gt;
KPOJ-am Portland, Oregon, so it must be on across the states-sorry to be so vague..just sayin’&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT-John Edwards Is saying some good things in a forum with Move on. Don’t know if it is live.<br />
KPOJ-am Portland, Oregon, so it must be on across the states-sorry to be so vague..just sayin’</p>
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		<title>By: Maddy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/14/pull-up-a-chair-43/#comment-623208</link>
		<dc:creator>Maddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Guitar_Playing_Bastard  says:&lt;br /&gt;
April 14th, 2007 at 8:42 am&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;YAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY, LIFE IS GOOD!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some West Wing DVDs from Netflix, got here, my custom amp plates (with my name on ‘em) are on the way from the engraver, my re-coned Fender Blue Alnico speakers are on the way from Orange County Speaker.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ah the eternal quest for the holy grail of tone&lt;br /&gt;
I know it well.&lt;br /&gt;
So elusive, ephemeral, capricious.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guitar_Playing_Bastard  says:<br />
April 14th, 2007 at 8:42 am</p>
<p>YAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY, LIFE IS GOOD!</p>
<p>Some West Wing DVDs from Netflix, got here, my custom amp plates (with my name on ‘em) are on the way from the engraver, my re-coned Fender Blue Alnico speakers are on the way from Orange County Speaker.</p>
<p>Ah the eternal quest for the holy grail of tone<br />
I know it well.<br />
So elusive, ephemeral, capricious.</p>
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		<title>By: kirk murphy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/14/pull-up-a-chair-43/#comment-623054</link>
		<dc:creator>kirk murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The MSM’s focus on the technical aspects of email retrieval really brings out my inner wonk…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But their focus on the shiny techy object…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ignores the simple fact that the telecomm megacorps take the feed containing our phone/net traffic, duplicate the signals, and route the “duplicate” off to the NSA/spook world.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;T&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/05/70944&quot;&gt;he telecomm megacorps copy all the traffic on their high speed cables and give it to the NSA&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;By pre-Patriot Act law, the NSA is already authorized to capture, record, and analyze all electronic traffic going crossing the US’ national borders.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So all the Blackberry users (with the ‘berries Canadian HQ) share every message with the NSA.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Under the &lt;a href=&quot;http://cryptome.org/stoa-r3-5.htm&quot;&gt;Echelon&lt;/a&gt; project:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;(A)…” report [35] published by STOA in January 1998 refers to the role played by the &lt;b&gt;ECHELON&lt;/b&gt; network in electronic surveillance (see [8] for a list of links to this subject). &lt;b&gt;It is a global network which can intercept all telephone, fax or e-mail communications.”&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;IANAspook, but even MSM know the WH must use secure Federal phone lines to prevent interception.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All the non-WH traffic went through the NSA/spook/Ecehlon data vacuums.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The blogosphere (on FDL!) picked this weeks ago, and we’ve been writing about it on the Lake ever since.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Commenters from the Lake have shared the info at TPM, so the concepts are diffusing…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But they bear repeating:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Congress’s official subpoena powers allow the Senate and House to demand these records pursuant to their oversight role and their investigation of Contempt of Congress and other high crimes and misdemeanors.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Data, meet subpoena power.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[above from the massive &lt;a href=&quot;http://cryptome.org/stoa-r3-5.htm&quot;&gt;official STOA report&lt;/a&gt; prepared for the European Parliament&lt;em&gt;: “Development of Surveillance Technology and Risk of Abuse of Economic Information (an appraisal of technologies of political control)&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;STOA also has a &lt;a href=&quot;http://cryptome.org/stoa-atpc.htm#5.&quot;&gt;nifty section&lt;/a&gt; on chemical weapons (aka “tear gas”  and other fatal “non-lethal” crowd control technologies.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The communications intercept data above is from only one portion of the STOA report, which is an amazinig and neglected resource.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  Written in the late 90’s, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://cryptome.org/stoa-atpc.htm&quot;&gt;full draft report&lt;/a&gt; has been most prescient in descriibing the physical means developed to suppress popular opinion and public will over the last decade.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  The table of contents may be tempting:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Abstract&lt;br /&gt;
Executive Summary&lt;br /&gt;
Acknowledgements&lt;br /&gt;
Table of Charts and Figures&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1 	Introduction 	1&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2 	Role and Function of Political Control Technologies 	3&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3 	Recent Trends and Innovations 	6&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;4 	&lt;a href=&quot;http://cryptome.org/stoa-atpc.htm#4.&quot;&gt;Developments in Surveillance Technology 	15&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;5 	&lt;a href=&quot;http://cryptome.org/stoa-atpc.htm#5.&quot;&gt;Innovations in Crowd Control Weapons&lt;/a&gt; 	22&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;6 	&lt;a href=&quot;http://cryptome.org/stoa-atpc.htm#6.&quot;&gt;New Prison Control Systems&lt;/a&gt; 	40&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;7 	&lt;a href=&quot;http://cryptome.org/stoa-atpc.htm#7.&quot;&gt;Interrogation, Torture Techniques and Technologies&lt;/a&gt;              	44&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;8 	Regulation of Horizontal Proliferation 	53&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;9 	Conclusions 	59&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;10 	Notes and References 	60&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;11 	Bibliography [Separate file (85K); Zip-compressed version 32K] 	73&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Appendix 1. Military, Security &amp; Police Fairs. [Not provided with report]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;[Mod Note; in the future, fewer links in a single comment will avoid the spam filters.]&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MSM’s focus on the technical aspects of email retrieval really brings out my inner wonk…</p>
<p>But their focus on the shiny techy object…</p>
<p>Ignores the simple fact that the telecomm megacorps take the feed containing our phone/net traffic, duplicate the signals, and route the “duplicate” off to the NSA/spook world.</p>
<p>T<a href="http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/05/70944">he telecomm megacorps copy all the traffic on their high speed cables and give it to the NSA</a>.</p>
<p>By pre-Patriot Act law, the NSA is already authorized to capture, record, and analyze all electronic traffic going crossing the US’ national borders.</p>
<p>So all the Blackberry users (with the ‘berries Canadian HQ) share every message with the NSA.</p>
<p>Under the <a href="http://cryptome.org/stoa-r3-5.htm">Echelon</a> project:</p>
<blockquote><p>(A)…” report [35] published by STOA in January 1998 refers to the role played by the <b>ECHELON</b> network in electronic surveillance (see [8] for a list of links to this subject). <b>It is a global network which can intercept all telephone, fax or e-mail communications.”</b>
</p>
</blockquote>
<p>IANAspook, but even MSM know the WH must use secure Federal phone lines to prevent interception.</p>
<p>All the non-WH traffic went through the NSA/spook/Ecehlon data vacuums.</p>
<p>The blogosphere (on FDL!) picked this weeks ago, and we’ve been writing about it on the Lake ever since.</p>
<p>Commenters from the Lake have shared the info at TPM, so the concepts are diffusing…</p>
<p>But they bear repeating:</p>
<p>Congress’s official subpoena powers allow the Senate and House to demand these records pursuant to their oversight role and their investigation of Contempt of Congress and other high crimes and misdemeanors.</p>
<p>Data, meet subpoena power.</p>
<p>[above from the massive <a href="http://cryptome.org/stoa-r3-5.htm">official STOA report</a> prepared for the European Parliament<em>: “Development of Surveillance Technology and Risk of Abuse of Economic Information (an appraisal of technologies of political control)</em>.</p>
<p>STOA also has a <a href="http://cryptome.org/stoa-atpc.htm#5.">nifty section</a> on chemical weapons (aka “tear gas”  and other fatal “non-lethal” crowd control technologies.</p>
<p>The communications intercept data above is from only one portion of the STOA report, which is an amazinig and neglected resource.</p>
<p>  Written in the late 90’s, the <a href="http://cryptome.org/stoa-atpc.htm">full draft report</a> has been most prescient in descriibing the physical means developed to suppress popular opinion and public will over the last decade.</p>
<p>  The table of contents may be tempting:</p>
<p>Abstract<br />
Executive Summary<br />
Acknowledgements<br />
Table of Charts and Figures</p>
<p>1 	Introduction 	1</p>
<p>2 	Role and Function of Political Control Technologies 	3</p>
<p>3 	Recent Trends and Innovations 	6</p>
<p>4 	<a href="http://cryptome.org/stoa-atpc.htm#4.">Developments in Surveillance Technology 	15</a></p>
<p>5 	<a href="http://cryptome.org/stoa-atpc.htm#5.">Innovations in Crowd Control Weapons</a> 	22</p>
<p>6 	<a href="http://cryptome.org/stoa-atpc.htm#6.">New Prison Control Systems</a> 	40</p>
<p>7 	<a href="http://cryptome.org/stoa-atpc.htm#7.">Interrogation, Torture Techniques and Technologies</a>              	44</p>
<p>8 	Regulation of Horizontal Proliferation 	53</p>
<p>9 	Conclusions 	59</p>
<p>10 	Notes and References 	60</p>
<p>11 	Bibliography [Separate file (85K); Zip-compressed version 32K] 	73</p>
<p>Appendix 1. Military, Security &amp; Police Fairs. [Not provided with report]</p>
<p><em>[Mod Note; in the future, fewer links in a single comment will avoid the spam filters.]</em></p>
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		<title>By: Sparkles the Iguana</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/14/pull-up-a-chair-43/#comment-623029</link>
		<dc:creator>Sparkles the Iguana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ve cut out the kettle chips and Haagen Dazs, and we’ve developed a game based on the popular Afghan pasttime of kicking around a goat’s head.  We’re using Karl Rove’s head.  Sorry, Karl!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve cut out the kettle chips and Haagen Dazs, and we’ve developed a game based on the popular Afghan pasttime of kicking around a goat’s head.  We’re using Karl Rove’s head.  Sorry, Karl!</p>
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		<title>By: Via</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/04/14/pull-up-a-chair-43/#comment-622994</link>
		<dc:creator>Via</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Gee, while the server was down I’m grateful that you didn’t lose 5 million comments  :)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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