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Of all the stories I've read about the document dump so far, I think this one, from WaPo's Sleuth blog, might be my favorite:
Congressional oversight committees and reporters covering the U.S. attorneys firing scandal waited with bated breath Thursday night for yet another huge document drop revealing more details in the Bush administration's plan to fire eight U.S. attorneys.
They waited, and waited. But the documents weren't delivered to the House and Senate Judiciary committees until this morning because -- no joke -- the Justice Department's copy machine broke.
As if the broken copier weren't enough, something even worse happened: the DOJ's computer server went down this morning just as agency officials were trying to email around 2,000 pages worth of documents to Capitol Hill.
But wait, that's not all! After the server went down, the car transporting hard copies of the documents to the Hill got a flat tire.
Or at least that's the dog-ate-my-homework excuse the Justice Department provided to the committees, according to Judiciary committee aides who asked to remain anonymous.
That. Is. Just. Beautiful. Look for at least another six months of those kinds of unfortunate "accidents."
But the biggest story, which Marcy and Christy have well covered, is the massive gaps in both the White House and RNC e-mail systems, including an 18-month overlap from March 2003 to August 2004 (shades of Nixon's missing 18 minutes, and the 18-day gap in the March 19 DoJ document dump) where there could very well be no e-mails available from either system (unfortunately, it extends into 2005 for Zapmaster Rove and anyone else with the same fastidious e-mail habits). It's all very fishy in my humble, paranoid opinion, especially considering that that timeframe covers the start of the war, most or all of the 2004 election (again, depending on deletion habits), and most of Jack Abramoff's dirty dealings. That's a lot of dirt to just accidentally go missing.
On the positive side, the Bush Administration can always be counted on to generate a continuous supply of fresh dirt, and most of their loopholes are now closed. The one remaining loophole that I know of, and it is a suspicious one indeed, is that Rove was the only WH staffer to have his deletion privileges revoked. So there remains the possibility that Karl was savvy enough to route his most delicate e-mail communications through his deputies, with a strict unwritten policy that any such e-mails must always be deleted by both sender and recipient. I'm not sure if Karl would actually risk that, though - especially not after the 2006 elections restored congressional oversight.
So unless Karl or other WH staffers were playing with fire, I think the White House has run out of technical excuses not to produce any e-mails pertaining to the Conyers subpoena. Of course, their bogus executive privilege battle still has to play out, but they're not going to win that one unless they get a very friendly court (uh-oh).
The part of all this that tickles me is that if Marcy's analysis is correct, the only reason that the WH staffers' RNC e-mails are being retained is because BushCo. was in bed with Abramoff. And the only reason Karl's e-mails are delete-proof is because the Bushies thought it would be a good idea to out Valerie Plame. Rove survived both investigations, but each one stripped away one of his layers of protection. Does he have any left? And if he somehow survives this investigation because of another hole in the e-mail system, will he have enough protection left to survive the next one? And oh yes, there will be a next one.
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You know, you feel obligated to give the benefit of a doubt, but ENOUGH with the dissembling: it’s time to just impeach the bastards-
Awww, how cute!
Fitz!
Rebel Yell @
1
Which “you” are you referring to? I gave up giving those bastards the benefit of the doubt some time in March 2001.
You are joking about the copy machine, the computer server going down right?
Have any other outlets picked up on NPR’s story yet?
http://www.npr.org/templates/s.....Id=9575434
things come undone @ 4
It didn’t look like a joke, but it could have been sarcasm on the part of the aides Akers talked to.
I think Rove needs a little bit o’ JUSTICE!
anytime soon will be fine.
Quotes from today’s Time’s essay with my reaction - just trying to get these into some of the great minds writing/reading here:
Inside the Bush E-mail Scandal
Friday, Apr. 13, 2007 By MASSIMO CALABRESI/WASHINGTON
“”[Some] White House staff members have duties that require them to interface regularly with political organizations,” Stanzel says, and therefore they needed separate equipment to stay on the right side of the law.”
If their duties required this interface, then the interface is part of official business, and should have been conducted on White House equipment. This dog won’t hunt.
“”His Rove’s] understanding starting very, very early in the Administration was that those e-mails were being archived,” the attorney, Robert Luskin, said.”
if this is true, then who made the decision not to archive Rove’s communications? How could the absence of archiving have possibly been overlooked?
Why are the Congressional committees pussyfooting around? Why haven’t they issued a whole slew more subpoenas in response to Fielding’s latest letter? Why not just cut to the chase?
FDL lawyers, help me out here if there is a legal strategy piece involved?
Hey, you know those office equipment jokes really hurt, cuz I sell copiers (sort of). What kind of machine was it? Let’s blame Xerox!
This may be a repost, but I just got up.
Lets say the Supreme Court voted 5-4 for Gore/Lierman in 2000. Lets also say that the USA data (GWB) spreadsheet’s final column says something other than FEDSOC and instead something random — like GLADD — or something less random like ACLU.
What would the GOP’s talking points be?
Twisted Martini @ 10
I think it was RICO.
As much as I hate Bush/Rove/Cheney and expect the worst, it is still hard for me to fathom the extent and pervasiveness of their awfulness. Did they really just sit in a room and say, we have 9/11, now we can do whatever we want? It can’t really be that they are that incompetent. It’s just too much. Just one bad decision after another? Did they do it for the money? The power? Did they really think they were doing good things for America when they stuck their chronies in every position in every department, regardless of their qualifications? Did they think America would be a better place with Democrats in jail?
I mean, you can start with the idea that they think they know better than everyone else, but were they just crazy power addicts and America and the press somehow their enablers?
It’s just so much! Everything they did! How did it happen?
Eli says:
You might be correct but could it all be fasttracked to the SCOTUS? IANAL but it seems to me that Kennedy has enough of an appreciation for the Constitution that he would most likely side with Breyer, Ginsburg, Souter, and Stevens. He is the “swing vote” nowadays since O’Conner’s retirement.
My $.02
It’s All. About. Casino. Jack.
The fact that he’s getting his sentence reduced this week, and his testimony has not led to the conviction of anyone who could lead up the pyramid, is rather shameless.
They know they shit is about to hit the fan and they’re burrying bodies furiousy.
I hope that teflon turd turns into a velcro mothaa just like John Gotti.
Five million disappeared emails. I haven’t heard anything so ridiculous since the Nixon years. Put Karl on the water board. The email will turn up rather quickly I have a feeling.
I bet Karl cries a lot - panic as the bunker crumbles! Or, maybe it’s kinda melting, in a bad Acid sort of way.
barrelhse @ 19
He doesn’t cry. He eats. Then he raps. Then he eats some more.
Eli @ 12
Eli, you’re so funny!
Eli @ 7
I think gremlins are loose. NJ Gov Corzine was convoying to meet with Imus and the Rutgers team when something went west and he’s now barely alive and in fact may not survive (his kind of injuries have a BAD track record of generating fatal embolisms…)
Jane Hamsher @ 16
I’m thinking of the scene in Goodfellas where Ray Liotta and Joe Pesci have to re-bury a whacked guy cuz they sold the land for condos. Who’s got the lime?
Georgesimian @ 13
I don’t believe that the good of the country ever entered into their calculations for even a heartbeat.
Jane Hamsher @ 15
I sure do hope Conyers or Leahy are asking where are all the names that Abramoff gave up in exchange for that reduced sentence. I’m not optimistic that they’re going to get anything out of that investigation, but at least it cost them their RNC e-mail hideaway.
Jane Hamsher @ 16
Maybe Waxman/Conyers/Leahy should subpoena Jack and get a public hearing as to exactly how he “cooperated” and a review of the names and information he is supposed to have provided.
Abramoff, has the goods. And of all things; a sentence reduction. That’s the Bush bribe.
You get Rove and that’s the ballgame and they know it.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 23
Abramoff’s sentence was reduced in exchange for his cooperation. But not with the investigators.
Is anyone in the SENATE doing anything about this? If not, what ARE they doing?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 24
That sounds like the truth to me.
Jane Hamsher @
16
Literally
It is so… good to have ex-prosecutors on our side — Leahy, Schumer, Whitehouse, Hode. These guys know how the system works, and how to squeeze that orange. I think that Rove’s half life right now is about three months and that he will be out by October. It may not be an actual prosecution that takes him down, but as he gets more and more lethal to what’s left of the Rethugs, they will insist he go, and in the end, Bush will have to toss him to save his own skin. That’s a good trade-off as far as I’m concerned, because the statute of limitations will run past the start of the next Presidency, and our home-grown Goebbels will get to do some ’splainin’ in open court when that happens.
Hey Jane, hope you are feeling well and enjoying the state of my youth! CT that is.
rxbusa @ 10
If I was the Senate, I’d be pissed. I’m pissed and I have nothing to do with the Government. Except that I voted.
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Oklahoma kiddo @ 25
Ha! Here’s what Josh at TPM just posted, and I think you have the answer, kiddo!
Sounds like it is time to issue subpoenas to each and every person Rove and the DOJ folks are believed to have emailed, and seize their computers and their paper files looking for copies of the emails on the recipients’ ends.
All it takes is for one of the recipients to have kept an email, on a disc or in a manila folder . . .
Just one, Karl. One person who held on to that oh-so-important email, to make sure that they did what they were asked. Just one.
Eli @ 26
Exactly.
Knut Wicksell @ 28
One of the scenarios I was wondering about was whether they would be able to tell if the WH or RNC were secretly holding e-mails back. Would they be able to see the contour of where those e-mails *should* have been, or ferret out references to e-mails that weren’t produced?
Knut Wicksell @ 30
I was wondering about that. Three generations of RePug criminals have been allowed to skate, either by pardon or reconciliation. This time they must do the time.
You can’t make this shit up! You can’t!
I think it is time for a serious politician, say, Leahy, to just simply start quoting Gonzo, his aides, etc. and then start snickering.
The entire country is laughing at these idiots. Why not have a high visibility politician on CNN, or whatever, just start laughing at the incredulous stories..
“The dog at my homework” doesn’t even do these stories justice. It is a complete understatement.
Puesto @ 37
It’s more like “The dog ate my all-F report card which I hid in his food bowl.”
But that’s not as concise.
We are so far into the weeds on this we really need to step back a minute. Put on your bizarro-world goggles — could a Democratic Administration have survived this long? Obstructed justice this long? Destroyed evidence this thoroughly?
Does anybody remember the Rose Law Firm billing records “outrage?” Hasn’t BushCo reached the level of illegality that we can start shooting at pumpkins in the back yard? Where’s the Democrats’ Dan Burton?
Eli @ 37
I should hope they could ferret it out—and if they can’t, I bet Marcy can!
TeddySanFran @ 40
The Repugs aren’t even shouting anymore.
TeddySanFran @ 39
I’ve wondered that as well. The double standard of acceptable behavior is incredible.
The Senate should simply tell the White House…screw the document dumps…
1) We want these extraneous devices (laptops and Blackberries) that supposedly were used strictly for political purposes.
2) We want to check their memories for any and all evidence that the emails would be preserved in their storage.
3) We want to examine them to see if there is any evidence of intentional vs. “accidental” scrubbing of the memories or drives.
4) We want to see if there is evidence of selective deletion of posts.
5) We want to see if these posts were deleted systematically…on specific days that relate to events in the firing of the Attorneys, or upon requests for documents, or activity by Congressional Committees.
6) By the way, also provide any Memory Chips or other storage devices that may preserve these documents!
Under penalty of felony!
TeddySanFran @ 41
The Democrats don’t have anyone that’s as whacked as Burton. Zell Miller isn’t in the party any longer….
TeddySanFran @ 41
We don’t own the airwaves like they do.
“The dog ate my homework” is a beautiful framing of the whole mess. Hat tip to Leahy!
Legal strategy? The general rule is that when you get ahead, you consolidate your gains, and wait for the right moment to expand on them. Lawyers who get a bit ahead in a matter and try to win right that minute lose much more often than they win. It’s like chess. You get up a pawn, you consolidate and wait for the right moment to get ahead two pawns. Eventually you win. Slow, slow, slow, but usually it works.
Friday’s trash: Bush wants to revise FISA to expand the number of people he can spy on.
montag @ 47
I’m embarrased to say he’s my Congressman…My pomeranian could do a better job.
cinnamonape @ 43
There would be all kinds of howls of outrage about how the Democrats are just fishing for inside information on the RNC’s strategies. I think turning the servers and devices over to a third party under strict disclosure guidelines would be more acceptable.
Twisted Martini @ 49
Bullshit. Poms can’t hold guns.
Twisted Martini @ 51
If Michael Moore could run a ficus tree, you should be able to run your Pomeranian. :)
The Master Turd sits
The Dog Shat out my e-mail
Paddle Broke, No Lube
Can and will our Folks suponea the Canadian Server for all those Blackberries?
smapdi @ 12
You’re late to the gate, sir. NPR has just cleared the wire with a report that all the “vetting” of these guys was a smoke screen. Rove/Bush had ALREADY selected the ones they “had problems with” and were initially going to fire ALL 93, and had to be talked down from it BY THEIR OWN PEOPLE because it WOULD HAVE HURT ONGOING CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS. Take home message here, sparky, is that they serve at the pleasure of the president BUT not if he’s removing them to OBSTRUCT JUSTICE by preventing criminal investigations from proceeding. If Gore had been allowed to serve, he won, despite you republinazi thugs sneers to the contrary, the list would indeed have contained such references BECAUSE THESE ARE POLITICAL APPOINTMENTS. Had this list been generated in early 2001, nobody could say boo. That’s the way the process works. But if Karlosivitch Rovski and Supreme President For Life Bush “had problems” with USA’s for ONGOING CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS (like Carol Lam and the Cunningham stuff just for a starter (remember the email “let’s discuss the REAL PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH CAROL LAM” (Caps mine)) that is open and shut obstruction of justice and if we can prove on him it is truly time to start impeachment.
And Kennedy has gone on record as saying he voted to cut off the counting for fear of “national upheaval” (specifically the republinazi brown shirt intimidation squads that PHYSICALLY ATTACKED vote counters in Florida during that time). He has since made it clear he feels he made a dreadful mistake and would like to remedy it.
Scarecrow @ 50
Again, you just can’t make this shit up!
Jane Hamsher @
16
Jane, is there a way for congress to look at what the courts are doing in terms of less time for Abramoff without results? Can they look at what he has offered up and see if there are tangible results? Is there any sort of check/balance available?
Kathy @ 56
Unfortunately, subpoenas don’t work outside our borders. But, if Leahy asked nicely, maybe they might want to cooperate.
Eli @
13
Konica Goodling strikes again.
Puesto @ 57
The problem is the shit was made up as conspiracy fiction and these GOP goobers thought it was a blueprint instead.
Eli @ 40
“Dude, where are my e-mails?”
Some Dems may not like this. But we ARE the Democratic base.
Phule @ 58
Anyone here ever read The Overseer, by Jonathan Rabb?
masaccio @ 49
So you think they are just digging in to what they already have and will issue more subpoenas later? But what about the time factor…i.e., giving ‘em time to scrub more hard drives?
punaise @ 59
She’s Ikon-ic of the DOJ mess, even though she’s just a duplicate of many others in government today.
punaise @ 61
I heard a joke that a buddy told me, that Konica Minolta equipment is nicknamed Monica since it all blows
Jane Hamsher @
16
Yep.
montag @ 66
let’s consult Al Sharpton
It’s like the reincarnation of Mussolini up there. Fascism untempered by competence.
Scarecrow @ 50
He’s been trying this for years… It’s CYA, imo.
cleter @ 66
I thought he made the trains run on time?
Kathy @ 56
Good call, Kathy.
Scarecrow @ 50
Reid and Pelosi need to state that this Administration has no standing to modify FISA. Bush lost his opportunity to change this law when he fucking violated it.
We’ll take it up in 09. Period.
TeddySanFran @ 70
“Wait, wait! Let me sign it again!”
Eli @ 73
Yep, changed the schedule.
Eli @ 70
According to Italians living in Italy at the time, he didn’t, not by a longshot, but if you didn’t believe his bullshit about the trains, you got whacked by the blackshirts.
Eli @ 53
Well by stating that the documents are unobtainable simply because the WH used systems that were flawed it would be perfectly legitimate for them to request the WH to do so.
But as a “compromise” I would accept the use of an impartial Special Prosecutor (maybe Fitz) who could evaluate the hardware and the NSC system for the documents that BY LAW must be retained under the Presidential Records Act. Since the hiring/firing of the Attorneys are (supposedly) non-political activities undertaken by the White House…any such document would, as a matter of course, need to be preserved.
Of course, other documents pertaining to criminal investigations might also be discovered.
As I recall, Fitz also had a specialist on document retrieval on his team in the leak investigation…so who would be more qualified for finding out if the records could be retrieved, and if they can’t whether there has been a pattern of deliberate destruction!
in light of the most recent turn of events, I wrote a song.
These five million long-gone emails were sent someplace. They did not all disappear. Get Karl under oath and ask him to whom did he send these emails?
James Webb brings it on to McCain.
Says McCain has begun impugning the characters of those who disagree with him.
McCain is falling down.
-GSD
So what is preventing Abu from wanting to spend more time with his family?
–Abu wants taxpayers to pick up the tab on the “coaching” he gets from aides before the testifying?
–He’s got a lot of loose ends to clean up?
–Chimpy can’t bear to part with an old friend?
Any ideas?
Georgesimian @ 14
The extent of this madness never could have happened without the press acting like Barney Fife. I take that back; for all of his bumbling at least Barney was well intentioned.
I agree with TeddySanFran about stepping back — Does it make sense to call for a Fitz-like special prosecutor to investigate the political subversion of the Department of Justice — of which the forced resignations of US Attys is only a part and the DoJ’s overall handling of corruption is another part, etc? It seems to me there are enough anecdotes of politicized prosecutions to warrant a thorough criminal investigation, and it’s also clear that the current leadership of the DoJ is compromised and conflicted out. Why shouldn’t we be calling for the mother of all criminal investigations, led by Fitz and his handpicked team? Not in lieu of the Congressional investigations, but in addition.
I’m frustrated by the lack of a clear grand strategy for dealing with the enormity of the DoJ corruption and the WH complicity.
Interesting the way Rove’s mind works…the fire ‘em all idea didn’t work out for him, so he turned Clinton’s doing it in his transition period into a red herring excuse for what they themselves did.
How come people still go for anything that these guys spew forth anymore?
sigh
Eli @ 72
hell, no, he just jiggered with the schedule.
montag @ 73
That *does* sound like BushCo. Their approach to problem-solving is to either claim that the problem is solved, or deny that the problem even exists. And the media happily went along, at least through his first term.
TeddySanFran @ 42
I’m sure that the junior senator from CT is up to the job.
Rove’s collar feels tight
Gonzales looking high strung
Two to twist in wind.
I still say someone needs to just start laughing at the stories in one of these Senate or House hearings. Just laughing… for about 5 minutes! It would make the news and just put a punto on all the lies. PUNTO!
The Dems seem to be doing pretty damn well in my opinion. I don’t get all the worrying, really. Every single day brings new awful headlines for the Bushies.
IEli @ 13
I think it’s spelled R-I-C-O-H..
I hate that I feel like this, but I think that Rove is kicking back, having an expensive drink in rich surroundings, and having a good laugh about our outrage. As if he could still squish us like we were bugs. If anyone ever deserved karmic payback, it is Rove and I hope that we all get the satisfaction of seeing him broken some day, but I’m not feeling optomistic about it tonight. He will NEVER experience an ‘Oh my god, what have I done’ moment no matter how many of his staffers get toasted (as in wonder bread, not champagne). The ‘Rap’ performance (as in ‘rap me with a spoon’) was the event which conveyed to me that we’re dealing with a truely singular asshole here. I hope he fries in hell.
Jane, I am seriously bummed. They say we’re supposed to get snow, either Sun. or Mon. The shoreline might escape though.
watertiger @
81
I sure miss Oz
Leahy gave us a leg up with his framing: the dog ate my homework. So we use the e-mails we have, keep asking questions, subpoena as we figure out what makes sense, keep the pressure on, and eventually we will either find something, or someone will break, or we’ll win in the press, or something else good will happen.
What absolutely won’t work is an immediate attempt to indict someone or impeach someone.
So…how come Rove isn’t working for a 2008 candidate yet? John Sidney McCain III could certainly use his wise guidance. It would complete the Bush-emulating cycle of suck that JSM III seems to have embarked on.
I will be watching closely what my party does with the missing email business.
TeddySanFran @ 96