
Going on weeks now, I've been inundated with questions about whether Fitzgerald knew about the GWB43.com server. If so, what can he teach Waxman, Conyers, and Leahy about its use? If not, does that mean Fitzgerald has received enough new information that the CIA Leak case will re-enter an active phase? Over two weeks ago, I wrote Fitzgerald's spokesperson to see if he could offer any enlightenment--and I got a classic non-answer in return, "there's no public record basis for me to comment so I have to decline." So what follows is my best understanding of the recent evidence that has come to light--as well as the evidence already available. Much of this is speculative--but it ought to lay out at least the overall chronology involved.
Note: I just posted the followup to this post, Rove's Hadley Email, over at TNH.
Looking back, it seems like from day one, at least one journalist covering this story suspected something was up. On October 7--the day the WH was first told to turn over materials--the reporter asked whether employees were obliged to turn over emails they had already deleted. Watch how McClellan immediately emphasizes that employees are only obliged to turn over materials "in the posession" of the White House.
Q No, I understand that. I'm just saying how would this work? Let's say I remember -- I'm an official, I remember sending some email about this, but I've long since deleted it. How --
[snip]
Q I just want to be clear, though, the White House is obligated to provide emails that may have been deleted by the individual but are still archived by the White House --
MR. McCLELLAN: Look back -- it said what is in the possession of, I believe, in the White House, the employees and staff.
That sure sounds like the dodge of a spokesperson who is well aware of the way the RNC server is used, not to mention aware that a lot of sensitive emails reside on it. And not only did that first document request limit itself to items in the possession of the White House, but it was a request, not a subpoena. It wasn't until 2004 when those documents were formally subpoenaed. Keep in mind, by the time that formal subpoena went out in January 2004, BushCo had had the initial 11-hour gap between the time when Ashcroft informed Alberto Gonzales and the time Gonzales informed the White House to retain all relevant records, and then three more months before actually being legally subpoenaed. Abundant time to do a great deal of deleting.
It's clear that Fitzgerald was supicious about the lack of emails from key participants in Plame's outing early on in the investigation. He asked Libby about it specifically in his March 24 testimony.
Q. You're not big on e-mail I take it?
A. No. Not in this job. I was in my prior job.
But it wasn't until seven months after Fitzgerald started investigating--and at precisely the time he started getting journalists' testimony--that the RNC claims it stopped its automatic destruction policy on White House email.
Mr. Kelner said that as a result of unspecified legal inquiries, a "hold" was placed on this e-mail destruction policy for the accounts of White House officials in August 2004.
Frankly, I'm not convinced that this hold is a response to the Plame investigation. It just as likely relates to the Abramoff investigation, which started in March 2004 with the cooperation of people--like Abramoff and Michael Scanlon--who knew about the RNC server. The Senate Indian Affairs Committee, led by Republican John McCain, issued its first subpoenas in June 2004. And we know SIAC and FBI got Susan Ralston's emails that were sent from the RNC servers--they had been printed off (from Abramoff's computer, apparently) in May 2004. If it were the Abramoff investigation--and not Fitzgerald's--it would explain why Rove would continue blithely deleting his own emails as if nothing had happened.
So it may not have been until October 2004 that Fitzgerald first discovered why there were missing emails. Hubris states that Rove first turned over his email to Hadley when he testified on October 14, 2004.
...on this day [Rove] turned over what he claimed was a recently discovered copy of the July 11, 2003, e-mail he had sent to Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley. (377)
And it describes Luskin (who can't be trusted as far as I can spit, which since I'm a lady, isn't very far) as discovering the email in October 2004.
Rove's office had given Luskin a folder full of e-mails that included the one Rove had sent to Hadley. But Luskin hadn't noticed the important Hadley e-mail until October 2004, just before Rove was about to go back to the grand jury for the third time. (402)
We honestly don't know whether the email had been turned over in original discovery (though I doubt it--otherwise, Fitzgerald probably wouldn't have agreed to limit Cooper's testimony to his conversation with Libby in August 2004). If not, October 2004 may have been Fitzgerald's first indication (besides the absence of any emails from Libby) that key emails hadn't been turned over. (Incidentally, Marc Grossman testified at the Libby trial that he discovered--and told the FBI in Fall 2003--that State Department emails are destroyed after 3 months, which is why he was unable to pin down when he had emailed Walter Kansteiner and Armitage about Libby's inquiries into Wilson. So Fitzgerald probably already had questions about suspect document retention policies.)
And frankly, I suspect it wasn't until October 2005 that Fitzgerald learned the full extent of the email gaps. We know, for example, that Fitzgerald didn't start questioning why Cooper didn't appear in the phone logs of the White House until after Cooper testified in July 2005, after which Fitzgerald interviewed Susan Ralston. By the same logic, he may not have investigated why he didn't get the email until that time. Reports claimed that Luskin offered his first explanation to Fitzgerald for the discovery--then delay--of the email in the days just before the October 2005 indictments, when Luskin first raised his conversations with Viveca Novak. This timing might explain why the Office of Administration would "discover" in October 2005 that it wasn't archiving all emails properly.
According to CREW's sources, in October 2005, the Office of Administration ("OA") discovered a problem with this email retention process. The OA undertook a detailed analysis of the issue, which revealed that between March 2003 and October 2005, there were hundreds of days in which emails were missing for one or more of the EOP components subject to PRA. The OA estimated that roughly over five million email messages were missing.
In other words, the discovery may well have resulted from Fitzgerald's inquiries about why he didn't receive the Rove-Hadley email.
But I also think that Fitzgerald discovered GWB43.com in October 2005. In addition to hearing Luskin's story about Viveca Novak, after all, we also know that Peter Zeidenberg interviewed Adam Levine just before the indictment, ostensibly because Levine first emailed, then talked to Rove about something just before Rove left for vacation. Not only does this suggest Fitzgerald had two emails from July 11, 2003 from Rove. But Levine has been one of the more forthcoming sources on the email policies and Plame leaking of the Bush Administration. (See him, for example, serving as a named source for this Tom Hamburger article.) In other words, Fitzgerald's team was probably talking about emails with someone who has (recently at least) gone on the record about the parallel email policy.
Plus, that timing would explain why the RNC--and not just the OA--would change its email policy in 2005.
Mr. Kelner also explained that starting in 2005, the RNC began to treat Mr. Rove's e-mails in a special fashion. At some point in 2005, the RNC commenced an authomatic archive policy for Mr. Rove, but not for any other White House officials. According to Mr. Kelner, this archive policy removed Mr. Rove's ability to personally delete his e-mails from the RNC server.
If Fitzgerald in fact pursued Rove's RNC emails in October 2005, then they likely told him precisely what they're now telling Waxman:
Although White House officials had used RNC e-mail accounts since 2001, the RNC has apparently destroyed all e-mail records from White House officials from 2001, 2002, and 2003.
And if Fitzgerald really did know about the RNC emails in October 2005, then presumably the FBI has already tried some forensic investigation of the damn thing--after all, this was criminal investigation that the Bush Administration--at least publicly--claimed to support fully.
In other words, the RNC may have done a better job of destroying Rove's tracks than we've assumed so far (though I assume no one has yet seized the servers to try some industrial-strength forensics on it.)
In any case, let's assume that Fitzgerald started hunting down the missing emails in October. He then learns, around about January 2006, that some emails were recovered:
In an abundance of caution, we advise you that we have learned that not all email of the Office of Vice President and Office of President for certain time periods in 2003 was preserved through the normal archiving process on the White House computer system.
Let me unpack this passage for a second. First, in January 2006, Fitzgerald doesn't appear to have the emails yet--he just knows they weren't archived properly. And the reason resembles the CREW explanation--that someone was simply eliminating entire days of emails from the archive--more than it does the GWB43.com explanation. This passage references emails from both OVP and EOP, so it would include Rove and Libby emails (plus their surrogates, like Cathie Martin and Jenny Mayfield and Susan Ralston). Also, at this point, it is unclear whether Fitzgerald believed he'd ever get the emails.
Those missing emails next show up in the February 28, 2006 hearing, when Bill Jeffress (who, having represented Nixon, knows well how bad it looks when your client's emails disappear) describes what happened to them:
I may say we are also told that there are an additional approximately 250 pages of documents that are emails from the office of the vice president. Your Honor, may recall that in earlier filings it was represented or alluded to that certain e-mails had not been preserved in the White House. That turns out not to be true. There were some e-mails that weren't archived in the normal process but the office of the vice president or the office of administration I guess it is has been able to recover those e-mails. Gave those to special counsel I think only on February 6 and those again are going to be produced to us.
So these emails--at least the ones turned over to Fitzgerald on February 6, 2006, at least so far as we can trust Jeffress--are the ones CREW describes, entire days worth of emails that got deleted. And that, as far as we know, is what Fitzgerald went to trial with, 250 pages of OVP emails recovered from organized email deletions, but not--at least as far as descriptions suggest--the emails archived on RNC servers.
Nevertheless, Fitzgerald is still obviously suspicious about emails. At the trial Fitzgerald asked Judy about whether or not she communicated with Libby via email. Never, she responded. It's not a question he asked other people (for example, he didn't ask Woodward how he "sent over" the questions he wanted to ask Cheney). So I assume that, even as recently as January of this year, either Judy was lying about the emails and Fitzgerald knew about it--or he suspected there had been emails, but couldn't prove it.
So what does that mean for my original questions? Did Fitzgerald know about the emails? I think he did, having learned about the emails from Adam Levine, though I think the 250 missing email pages came from the deleted WH emails. So does the discussion of the missing emails impact Fitzgerald's case in any way? I don't know. It seems that, at the very least, this confusion offers Waxman (or Conyers) an opportunity to renew his request to talk to Fitzgerald, at least about the limited scope of the email evidence turned over. And possibly, if Fitzgerald didn't get to do the full forensic analysis of the GWB43 servers he might have liked to do in December 2005, this would offer a great opportunity to do so. After all, Fred Fielding can't very well claim executive privilege prevents Fitzgerald from investigating the RNC servers, since BushCo has already turned over the crown jewels, the morning Vice Presidential Daily Briefings, so as to appear to be cooperating with Fitzgerald's investigation. So by having Fitzgerald seize the RNC servers, rather than Waxman do it, you do it under the aegis of an ongoing criminal investigation.
Update (Putting this here after I finished the above because I don't want Luskin to sully my nice post.)
Gold Bars Luskin!! How I've missed your parsing ways! Here's what Gold Bar has to say. Note the absence of any and all chronology in what Luskin says, presenting the illusion that Rove was cooperative from the start:
The prosecutor probing the Valerie Plame spy case saw and copied all of Rove's e-mails from his various accounts after searching Rove's laptop, his home computer, and the handheld computer devices he used for both the White House and Republican National Committee, Luskin said.
The prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, subpoenaed the e-mails from the White House, the RNC and Bush's re-election campaign, he added.
[snip]
Rove voluntarily allowed investigators in the Plame case to review his laptop and copy the entire hard drive, from which investigators could have recovered even deleted e-mails, Luskin said.
As the investigation was winding down, Luskin said, prosecutors came to his office and reviewed all the documents -- including e-mails -- he had collected to be sure both sides a complete set.
Let me point out two things. First, even the RNC says it has no emails from 2001-2003. So what Luskin isn't telling you is that Fitzgerald would have had to reconstruct the emails--they weren't sitting there on a server. He may well also be telling you that he and Fitzgerald never got the most damning emails, which were destroyed before Luskin ever got hired. I'll have more in an upcoming post. In any case, those emails Luskin did share with Fitzgerald probably explain why Zeidenberg was chatting to Adam Levine in late October 2005.
Also, if you look at the document production file from the Libby trial, you see that Libby, at least, is never asked to provide his laptop so Fitzgerald can scan the whole thing. I'm just saying--it looks like Fitzgerald may have looked more closely at Rove's hard drive than he did at Libby's.
In short, Luskin is just doing what he does best--parsing to present the illusion that his client is innocent.
Update 2
Geez. Nothing like updating a post twice before you post it. CREW has called for Fitzgerald to reopen his investigation into Rove. I don't think that particular request will go anywhere. After all, as Fitzgerald explained in his post-verdict press conference, the investigation is still open. It's just inactive until such time as Fitzgerald gets new evidence. From the looks of things, Fitzgerald knew all of the things CREW cites in its press release as new evidence--none of it is new to him. I think it more likely that Congress could call on Fitzgerald to share what he knows--and perhaps to subpoena the servers himself--than that the investigation itself will move forward solely on the basis of recent revelations. (FWIW, for a number of reasons I suspect that Fitzgerald hit a wall investigating the cover-up, including the email deletions, which was probably only indirectly Rove.)
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Fitz!
i will 2nd that fitz and raise you another
Mind the gap…back to taxes…
Ah, so I wasn’t dreaming.
Trump you with a JANE!
Two words. Get Rove.
If ‘things’ are planned properly, you go after Rove post Bush, Then no pardon. I don’t mind waiting.
Someone seriously needs to put those servers on lockdown. Like now.
Secure the Servers and the rest will come naturally.
Did anyone just see on Wolfie’s show about 10 minutes ago (EDT) that he said Scooter LIbby and his lawyers will not be filing an appeal for a new trial? First I am wondering if this is true or not as I have not seen this anywhere and there has not been a follow up on his show. And lastly if this is correct, then wonder if the two stories (emails and this one) are related?
my too sense @ 10
I’ve been wondering myself–there’s been NO filings, which is why I was making that same conclusion (I think the deadline may have been Wednesday). But I also knwo that the jurors basically told Team Libby there was nothing they could have done to convince them–by beating up on the media, they made even Judy credible. Yet, not beating them up would only make them more credible. Voila, no way to win the case.
go-ew-go
The view from here is that Cheney (Agnew) is deletable. Rove is not.
From the 11th.
Waxman Asks Government Agencies to Preserve E-mails from RNC Accounts
Following briefings from the White House and Republican National Committee that revealed an extensive volume of e-mails regarding official government business may have been destroyed by the RNC, Chairman Waxman directs government agencies to preserve e-mails received from or sent to non-governmental e-mail accounts used by White House staffers. The Committee also requests that government agencies provide an inventory of all e-mails involving these accounts.
The briefing received by the Committee raises serious concerns about the White House compliance with the Presidential Records Act, which requires that the President “take all such steps as may be necessary to assure that the activities, deliberations, decisions, and policies that reflect the performance of his constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties are adequately documented and that such records are maintained as Presidential records.”
• Letter to Attorney General Gonzales
• Letter to Secretary Kempthorne
• Letter to Administrator Doan
• Letter to Secretary Nicholson
• Letter to Secretary Spellings
• Letter to Secretary Chertoff
• Letter to Secretary Johanns
• Letter to Secretary Gutierrez
• Letter to Secretary Leavitt
• Letter to Secretary Bodman
• Letter to Secretary Paulson
• Letter to Administrator Johnson
• Letter to Secretary Jackson
• Letter to Secretary Gates
• Letter to Secretary Chao
• Letter to Secretary Rice
• Letter to Secretary Peters
If you have Rove; checkmate.
Oooh Marcy. This is a good one.
my too sense @
10
Wow.
I hope Gold Bars Luskin that horrible character, will get caught up in all his lies with Miss Piggy Rover….they both deserve each other. Maybe they can share a cell?
I thought I heard that he would be filing an appeal, just not a motion for a new trial.
Correction - Waxman’s letters are dated the 12th of April.
17 - an appeal yes, a request for new trial, no.
Pretty ez question to ask the RNC when they were served with a subpeona in the Plame investigation. I don’t know why they would refuse to give a date - it will all come out in the wash eventually.
Rove, Rove, Rove. A thousand times: Rove. It’s always been about Rove.
Tithonia @ 19
Right. That means we proceed directly to sentencing on June 5. Maybe I should boook my plane flight early…
Rove’s lips are still shut
To open and spill the beans
Gonads wired up
Cheney’s former chief of staff skips motion for new trial, will appeal
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Attorneys for Vice President Cheney’s former chief of staff, Lewis “Scooter” Libby, have decided against filing a motion for a new trial and plan instead to challenge his convictions on appeal, according to documents filed Friday in federal court.
“Mr. Libby intends to raise in the court of appeals substantial issues of law on appeal of his conviction, including issues that may result in the granting of a new trial,” defense counsel wrote in a notice filed in the case.
They faced a Friday deadline to file a motion for a new trial in district court. Such a move would ordinarily be accompanied by arguments establishing a basis for judge Reggie Walton to rule in their favor.
“However, defense counsel’s review of the record leads us to conclude that the issues were adequately presented” at trial, the lawyers wrote. –From CNN’s Paul Courson (Posted 5:45 p.m.)
Maybe Sandy Berger took them emails
It’s all so very delicious. They can’t pardon Libby, because then he can spill the beans. I love chess.
brownandserve @ 26
Shorter Team Libby: When we interviewed the Jury, we learned that there was not a thing in hell we could have done to convince them–not even those sympathetic to Libby.
So now we’re going to put his fate in Laurence Silberman’s hands.
Easy to get lost in the minutiae. I’m glad Marcy is on top of it. Sure looks like Rove coulda got nailed with Scooter. Sure wish Rove woulda got caught. Sure looks fishy - all the missing emails. Wonder how they can communicate now. I guess they have to use the phone.
Bil @
3
Finished mine! then again - yuck! I hate the IRS.
Great work EW–I think your reasoning is good that none of this is a real revelation to Fitzgerald. Kinda disappointing.
Maybe Scooter has something to trade…maybe he’s not filing an appeal because he is dealing. That feels like wishful thinking, from this White House crowd, but still.
On the other hand, if the emails were successfully destroyed, I agree that Fitzgerald may have hit a wall. I respect that he may be aware of his limitations and is leaving the case inactive but open (no Ken Starr shenanigans)
emptywheel @ 29
Is Silberman a member of the Federalist Society?
emptywheel @ 29
And that is a true honorific for Patrick Fitzgerald and Judge Walton IMHO.
Ed*ard Teller @ 31
and the IRS will never set it up to do our taxes directly because they’re afraid of the tax preparers.
Mr. Libby intends to raise in the court of appeals substantial issues of law on appeal of his conviction
That’s going to be interesting, given the care that Walton took in being fair to the defense. As I recall, he wasn’t too happy with the defense not calling Scooter after running the defense with the strong implication that he would testify.
hmm no filings in the criminal case…very odd. Just from a tactical perspective, the appeal will prolong to process until..oh, I don’t know, January 2009, or so, and voila- “Scooter, I’ll see you at the ranch. Luv W”- pardon.
OTOH- under the fed’l criminal system does the Defendant have to wait until sentenced for the time to notice an appeal starts to run?
As for Congress issuing a subpoena for Fitz, I think that he would successfully resist testifying. He has given them all they need to do their job except backbone.
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AZ Matt @ 14
very cool. i had this one
in the first chs — “deletion
thread” of this morning,
but a good reminder, here. . .
the date was april 12 on
all of the above letters,
just fyi. . .
all of this email is going
to drown the good ship bushie’s-shop. . .
now — christy!
A M A Z I N G !!!
CREW asks fitz to reopen!?
yes!
i am just catching-up on
the events of the day. . .
edited by author
Could there possibly be a Ju-dy, Ju-dy, Ju-dy perjury trial in the offing?
nolo @ 39
dag — typo. fixed.
Elliott @ 33
I think Silberman actually birthed the Federalist society, the same way Zeus birthed Dionysus from his thigh.
out on bond @ 37
Al Kamen of the ComPost had a column contest a few weeks ago for predictions on when the Libby pardon would come down. My guess was 12/24/08 (kinda based on Daddy dearest’s precedent).
emptywheel, thank you for the extremely timely post. I was wondering the same.
Fitz made a very telling comment, which I think has not gotten sufficient attention from the TM, “we’re all going back to our day jobs.”
The USA’s are just as overworked as our troops occupying Iraq. All part of Grover Norquist’s plan to shrink government down so that he can drown it in a bathtub.
brownandserve @ 34
And for the jury, really, that didn’t get snookered by any of Ted Wells’ histrionics.
dakine01 @ 41
No.
If it were feasible to charge journalists with perjury, Novakula would be rotting his fat ass in jail right now. But it is almost impossible to do.
this is such a good post, emptywheel. It’s good to know you’re out there in the weeds going after Rove — who’s lolloping around out there.
Who was it who proposed a catchy name for this scandal…
“DogAteGate“?? It’ll never catch on but I just love it FWIW.
It wasn’t me who coined that, I’m just your local Limerician.
S.O.S. from MA @ 49
KAgro X suggested simply DogAte.
What a genuine treat it is to have emptywheel’s reporting and analysis to read and digest.
The writing just flows so nicely that even a small town hick like myself can understand it.
Thank you and keep up the good work!
So what is the bottom line here, if bottom line there be? Emails that cannot be located. Maybe ever. Surely “they” got to the servers long before this. Lockdown now is barn door after the horse is gone deal, I’m thinking. Ergo, everything is circumstantial, right? Better to bear the slings and arrows of being bad-mouthed for hiding evidence (which can’t be proved?) than to have the evidence surface. Calculated risk. Attorneys, attorneys. How do you prosecute this sucker?
DogAteGate was created by ET iirc.
emptywheel @ 47 says:
If it were feasible to charge journalists with perjury, Novakula would be rotting his fat ass in jail right now. But it is almost impossible to do.
Ah well, it was worth a thought. Of course given Novakula’s other nickname (No Facts), many folks my age learned long ago not to give any credence to his gibberish.
EW: If it were the Abramoff investigation–and not Fitzgerald’s
Might this be one of the torches that Lam got too close to when she got scorched? Didn’t she have a tangential interest in Abramoff in her Duke C. investigation?
And didn’t the lead prosecutor in the Abramoff investigation out East get promoted up and out of her investigation - along with a couple of her top assistants, thereby crippling that investigation???
emptywheel @ 46
There’s no way Scoots could ever get a better/more sympathetic (to him) jury in D.C. Ever. They knew that jig was up long ago.
DogAteItGate?!
I have been wondering if Rove might have had a superduper top secret on background “other” set of computers and laptops to do superduper dirty work, and that they got 86′d with concrete shoes in the nearest lake when the Plame thing heated up.
EW or LHP if here - Does not filing a motion for new trial waive any classes of arguments for appeal for Libby; ie waive evidentiary issues and restrict appellate issues to arguments on the law? I must be getting lame in my advanced years (almost 49.99 now) and am trying to remember the distinction between my federal cases and my local state cases. One of the two forums here mandates preservation of evidentiary issues through filing a motion for new trial before appeal, the other does not. I am assuming that doesn’t apply to Libby but wanted to double check.
FWIW Madsen thinks that Fitzgerald got the missing WH emails from a Federal site in Olney MD (I do realize that invoking Madsen will invite ridicule):
“March 22, 2007 — It is time for Congressional investigators to drive to Olney, Maryland with subpoenas in hand….
Last year, WMR was contacted by an anonymous source who claimed to have intimate knowledge of how the “EOP” (Executive Office of the President) archived older e-mail and other documents. The source said that it is EOP policy to send archival documents to an underground Federal Support Center at 5321 Riggs Road in Olney, Maryland for safekeeping. WMR passed this ‘tip’ on to those who have ‘back channel’ communications with Patrick Fitzgerald’s office with an emphasis that the anonymous source appeared to have a very good working knowledge of White House document handling and archival procedures. The anonymous source suggested that Fitzgerald and a team of FBI agents show up unannounced at the Olney facility and simply seize the e-mails in question. Shortly thereafter, most of the the ‘missing’ 2003 smoking gun e-mails involving Cheney’s office were found.”
There isn’t much point in filing a motion for a new trial since it isn’t necessary to do so in order to preserve the issue for appeal. After Judge Walton sentences him, Libby will have ten days within which to file his notice of appeal. Therefore, it’s a waste of time and money to file a motion for a new trial in the trial court unless, for example, you have some “newly discovered evidence” that you believe might have produced a different verdict if you had presented it to the jury.
One cannot lie in the weeds, so to speak, by withholding the evidence during trial. One has to have exercised reasonable diligence, yet not have discovered the evidence until after the trial ended.
There are other grounds upon which to request a new trial but newly discovered evidence is the primary one.
For the Lawyers:
Would it be prudent to subpoena the testimony of the system administrators of the RNC mail servers to find out exactly what their backup/retention/disaster recovery plans were, and when they were implemented/changed/modified?
These guys would be the only ones who would know. Rove and company surely would not know how to administer these complicated pieces of software…..
emptywheel @ 46
Good point. They deserve some serious kudos. There probably should be a brass plaque commemorating their exemplary service on the door of the jury room at Prettyman Courthouse. There should also be a plaque commemorating the historic live blogging of events mounted at the FDL desk in the media room. Thank you, Marcy, for all you’ve done.
Oh MTWheeler, this is such a great post. Wonderful to see the steel-trap mind that crafted “Anatomy of Deceit” (makes a great gift) ticking along like a gleamingly polished well-oiled logic machine. Reading your post was like reading a new Appendix to your previous Opus. I look forward to a whole slew more of “Emptywheel Vindication Days.”
Those whom you stalk had best worry about what traces they’ve leave behind because you will doubtless catch each & every one of their subtle, erstwhile covert crapulations and analyze its deeper meaning… and thus draw ever closer to CATCHing them. You Go!
S.O.S. from MA @
49
I posted it yesterday during a break at work, but it is way too obvious for me to take credit. The idea of Silberman birthing the federalist society from his thigh is the the work of a master, though.
Suzanne @ 53
Cannot decode “ET.” Help pls? /Dumb
John Casper @ 45
Thank you for pointing that out
Here was the text of a portion of the discovery correspondence from Fitzgerald to Libby’s crew:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/.....ng-emails/
LHP or CHS or other lit/pros types will have to chime in, but to the extent that there is a now acknowledged (Perino - we screwed up) violation of the Presidential REcords Act, and Congress is investigating, I think vis a vis the emails at least (which have nagged me for a long time) Congress is now in a different position to ask Fitzgerald to come talk to them.
I said early on the other request would be a wasted effort, but now you have a USA with likely first hand knowledge, from his investigation, of a matter that Congress is investigating. Without going far afield into various and sundries, I think Fitzgerald could now be summoned to provide any info he has on the parallel systems, Rove or other’s use or misuse, info discovered relating to that in his investigation, etc.
I’m also still hoping that someone asks Gonzales, under oath, specifically as to whether there were ever any amendments or modification or withdrawals of the grant of authority to the Spec Pros. The Rove letter never surfacing is just weird. Of course, weird things with no deeper meaning happen all the time, but it’s nice to lock them down as being meaningless.
All of which led me to wonder if Silberman birthed the Federalist Society from his backside.
emptywheel @ 43
O, I C.
PAW on Silberman 2004
EW @ 11 - did the jurors meet with Team Libby after the trial?
Ed*ard Teller @ 65
I posted it yesterday during a break at work, but it is way too obvious for me to take credit. …
Oh, do! And thanx for answering my #66 /lessDumbNow
Mary4 @ 68
They could make their life and Fitz’s simpler by giving him a subpeona. I think they regard it as insulting to him, but like the purged USAs, it would cover his ass at DOJ
This is just too bizarre for me to take without confirmation — anyone hear anything about this? From the Akers WaPo blog:
Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
What a spectacular post Marcy.
What do you think the conversation with Cheney and Rove and the Boy King is about these days?
Send Libby into jail to keep him quiet, until we pardon him in ‘09. Stonewall the hell out of everything until then. If Leahy and Feingold get too close throw Abu under the bus to keep them fed for a while, and keep defying every bloody subpoena that we receive. Maybe the occasional call to Scalia to make sure he understands the play if it comes his way?
A penny for your thoughts, supersleuth…
Mason@61- If that was in response to my question, thank you. Trust me there are forums that mandate preservation of trial process errors (as opposed to strict issues of law) by giving the trial court the chance to correct the issue before forwarding to an appellate court. I was pretty sure it was a state court I was thinking of; but you will have to forgive me, happy hour started early today and I just wandered into this discussion.
Fineline @ 75
Umm, if I might interject, this scenario omits any possible pitchforks-and-torches events… Or maybe “banging pots and pans together” events… leading to pitchforks-and-torches…
lhp @ 73 - oh I mean by subpeona. But where I think, even with a subpeona, he had legitimate grounds to not answer on the earlier, more vague inquiries, I think if they nail it down to inquiries about the parallel email system, which they are investigating for possible vioaltions of the Presidential Records Act, then DOJ (which will be unhappy) and Fitzgerald (I doubt he cares much either way, except doing his job) both have a much harder time stating a reason to keep him from responding.
No exec privilege and I think the point you made earlier about sharing info for investigations has a very specific matter now and for that limited purpose he and any FBI who worked on the computer, etc. could be compelled for this issue. Do you think so?
I swear, one of these days, Emptywheel is going to put ‘Elementary, My Dear Watson’ at the end of her post and I am going to 707.
Mary4:
lhp:
from your keyboards to Waxman’s ears. And eyes.
And aides. [waving]
Marcie, I read your post the other day about what the American people are paying Rover to do his thing, and it burns me that he thinks he doesn’t have to cough this information up. He HAS no privacy or privilege. Every single work product belongs to us.
S.O.S. from MA @ 77
Umm, if I might interject, this scenario omits any possible pitchforks-and-torches events… Or maybe “banging pots and pans together” events… leading to pitchforks-and-torches…
Hmmm. Excellent observation S.O.S. One wonders about a “national emergency” that could intterrupt our regularly scheduled meltdown…
Elliott @
33
Yes. He was probably in on it from the start, in 1982.
emptywheel @
46
I don’t know if they give ‘Peabody’ style awards for blogging, but you ladies were incredible blogging that Libby trial. I could actually visualize the attorneys going at it, even Ted Wells’ ill advised crying and Fitz’s “Madness! Madness! Madness!”
BTW, is it true that Trex is related to Foghorn Leghorn?
pwrlght @ 71
Yes. And at at least one of those sessions, Team Libby was told, “nothing you could have done.” I assume it was similar at the other sessions.
Fineline @ 75
Oh, I think that, unless they can get Silberman or one of the other lizards snuck into that APpeals COurt to wave his wand and dismiss the charges, they’ll just drag out the appeal until January 2009.
emptywheel @ 85
So Team Libby met them several times? Did Team PJF?